somebody like deng as china kind of settled down and connected again with the world. >> it was zhou enlai's baby, mao agreed, assented. but zhou did it and deng xiaoping was his legacy. >> my table at the banquet, the first night, was full of people who had been sent to the countryside. distinguished physicians, trained at yale, who were being reeducated in the countryside, they were suddenly rehabilitated. it was a clear signal within elite circles in china that there was a new wind. >> i don't think deng could have -- i think he would have done it in due course. but i think that the nixon trip gave the relationship a jump-start. and the creation of the channels through which we invested, traded, did exchanges, education, so on and so forth, all followed very, very quickly during the liaison office days. and you'll have to remember that it was berzin ski and carter who actually fashioned and negotiated the formal recognition of china. and it was deng who rode on that. he came to the united states right after we'd formally recognized. and the negotiation process was very tortuous and very d

role they had played in the cultural revolution, et cetera, what the relationship might be between zhou enlai and mao and representing different factions of outlook on the world. and insofar as i could tell, they had it pretty right, yes. >> if i could add a point, the cia was quite public about briefing people on the geography and the economy and so forth. i have an atlas that was published by the cia at that time which was an unclassified document, very detailed and informative. i also know from having been an analyst for many years that 98% of the information that we got was based on basically public sources. how we got them was not necessarily unclassified. but this was pretty much public stuff, the really clandestine stuff of things was not very well developed. >> i spoke to my father on the phone and told him that i was coming here tonight and he told me to ask you that because he helped to write that atlas you referred to. he was a china analyst at that time. so -- >> who is your father? >> i'm not telling you that part. >> thank you. >> when i repeat those answers to him, he's going t