ziegler?>> i am doing my duty. >> can you imagine how the district attorney in fulton county georgia must feel. the district attorney in manhattan must feel? or the special counsel of the department of justice must feel. when the very subject of an indictment or intending indictment takes to public rally and ridicules them by name, disparages them right name, characterizes them by name, putting them and the families at the same riskier experiencing. if it's wrong for these anonymous people to criticize you it must certainly be wrong -- the former president of the united states would demonize people you can disagree if their judgment. it's not right to disparage their character. what's so ironic about this hearing, again, not one mansion on the other side of the aisle. that malign behavior by the very subject of the indictment. speaking of interference, the american people know president trump pressured the justice department which we are talking about here today. when that be wrong or cemented

ziegler? >> that is correct. >> regarding the mann act, if a person is transported across state lines for sexual activity, such as prostitution, that could be a violation of a federal law, is that correct? >> i recently looked at the federal law regarding the man act, i believe that that is correct. i would refer you to the doj manual. >> thank you. >> i would like to present this to the committee. >> this is showing hunter biden paying for a victim united flight from l.a. to dulles. this was, i believe, a violation of the man act. hunter biden this is proof that he bought the ticket. he bought it for this woman right here. he flew her from los angeles to washington on june 14th. flew her back to los angeles, california, on june 15th of 2018. i would like to point out that if he was purchasing her a plane ticket for sex and traveling across state lines, do you believe that to be a violation of the mann act, mr. ziegler? >> i can talk specifically about what's in my transcript, regarding the ma

ziegler. i want to thank you both for your testimony and your willingness to come forward and tell the truth for the american public. i apologize of the behavior of some of our colleagues and how the press has treated you for doing what is right so the american people can see it. mr. shapley, included in the document provided to the ways and means committee is a document labeled exhibit 2. which is a portion of the special agent report. this document is located following page 41 of the transcript, this one. what is this document, and what recommendations are made in this document? >> this is the prosecution recommendation report that the irs agents produce out the end of an investigation when they are going to recommend prosecution to the department of justice. this was authored by special agent ziegler. several thousand pages. the facts and the elements in this particular report, the elements of each violation show which piece of evidence meets bad elements, so in this report, it recommended

ziegler?>> i am doing my duty. >> can you imagine how the district attorney in fulton county georgia must feel. the district attorney in manhattan must feel? or the special counsel of the department of justice must feel. when the very subject of an indictment or intending indictment takes to public rally and ridicules them by name, disparages them right name, characterizes them by name, putting them and the families at the same riskier experiencing. if it's wrong for these anonymous people to criticize you it must certainly be wrong -- the former president of the united states would demonize people you can disagree if their judgment. it's not right to disparage their character. what's so ironic about this hearing, again, not one mansion on the other side of the aisle. that malign behavior by the very subject of the indictment. speaking of interference, the american people know president trump pressured the justice department which we are talking about here today. when that be wrong or cemented

ziegler. so, talking about hunter biden using this company to pay prostitutes, this is also a suspicious activityal report showing victim one, the woman who is paid for prostitution, that traveled from california to washington d.c. paid for byai hunter biden this is an excerpt from am report that we read in the treasury. i thank you all have looked at these two, showing that. victim one was supposedly an employee. but i would like to point out this is not really what most paralegals do. for law firms. and it is very serious that hunter biden was paying this woman through his law firm and then writing it off as a businesstax exemptions. most people right off things for their taxes through their businesses like a meal or say office supplies. but can you confirm for me that hunter biden had written off payments to prostitutes through his lawug firm? >> i appreciate the question given by the statute and limited in my testimony today. i respectfully would need to turn those records over to the hous

the name ziegler first appeared on a sign next to the name of his boss. harry whisper.sly, he was known only as an informant ikspyr. many people think that i should have more authority because i am a democrat who is married to a man, but in my opinion i should be treated the same as everyone else in this room, regardless of my orientation, strong, pr hood republicans, the purpose of the investigation is the appointment of a special prosecutor that will raise all the antics of the biden family. and who knows, maybe he will bring the case to impeachment, to a direct question from the head of the oversight committee, james idol, about how much hunter received from ziegler business partners, said the exact amount of $ 17 million, the biden family used business partner companies to receive millions of dollars from foreign ones. companies in china, romania and ukraine, complex financial transactions similarly hide the source of funds and reduce the visibility of the total amounts transferred to biden's bank accounts, but it was not destined to delve into the secret enrichment

. >> do you solemnly swear -- >> reporter: special agent joseph ziegler is a 13-year veteran of the irs, a registered democrat, and until now, a confidential whistle-blower. today he publiced testified about his role investigating the president's son hunter for tax crimes. >> i'm the main case agent. i worked 95% of this tax investigation. >> so nice to meet you. >> reporter: in an exclusive interview with cbs news, ziegler told us he believed the evidence he gathered during the five-year probe supported multiple felony and misdemeanor counts, including allegations hunter biden wrote off personal expenses as business payments. >> hotels he was blacklisted from, payments that were made to escorts, payments that are made to no-show employees. >> reporter: ziegler said he drafted this memo recommending justice department prosecutors charge hunter biden accordingly. but he said the trump-appointed u.s. attorney david weiss told him there was resistance to pursuing some of these charges by other officials at the justice department. >> it's a matter of are we treating all taxpayers the same.

supposed to patronize ziegler's name first appeared on a sign next to his boss's name.he was known only as an informant ikspyr. many people think that i should have a lot of authority because i'm a democrat married to a man, but in my opinion i should be treated the same as everyone else . in this room, regardless of my orientation, there is a strong , pr hood of republicans whose goal, the investigation is to appoint a special prosecutor, which will raise all the antics of the biden family. and who knows, maybe it will bring the matter prior to the impeachment, a direct question from oversight committee chairman james idol about how much hunter received from ziegler business partners revealed the exact amount of $17 million the biden family used business partner companies to obtain millions of dollars from foreigners. they are complex financial transactions in china, romania and ukraine. they seem to hide the source of funds and reduce the visibility of the total amounts transferred to the biden bank accounts, but delve into the secret enrichment of the biden family by

ziegler made, which is, that when u.s. attorney weiss, wanted to step outside of his jurisdiction, d delaware and work with other u.s. attorneys, in other jurisdictions, such as washington d.c., keeping in mind, mr. weiss was kept in office so there's not a conflict of him being replaced by president biden. he was unable to work with another. >> it's belied and underminded by mr. weiss's letter. in their ways and means testimony, they only talk about a special counsel. and weiss saying he was not going to be either allowed or asked for to become a special counsel which was a decision that bill bar made. but, what they didn't understand or talk about is this special attorney under section 515. and what mr. weiss made very clear is he was not going to be a special counsel, it was not necessary. he would either partner with a different venue, a different district, or if not, he had full authority to pursue charges under the special attorney statue. he never got to that point. he was never going to need it to file the charges

so nice to meet you. >> reporter: in an exclusive interview with cbs news, ziegler told us he believed five-year probe supported multiple felony and misdemeanor counts, including allegations hunter biden wrote off personal expenses as business payments. >> hotels he was blacklisted from, payments that were made to escorts, payments that were made to no-show employees. >> reporter: ziegler said he drafted this memo recommending justice department prosecutors charge hunter biden accordingly but he said the trump-appointed u.s. attorney david weiss told him there was resistance to pursuing some of these charges by other officials at the justice department. >> it is a matter of, are we treating all taxpayers the same? >> reporter: and in this case? >> and in this case, no, i don't think so. >> reporter: today, democrats pushed back on claims of preferential treatment. >> there is no evidence that hunter biden has received any kind of official favoritism in this prosecution for being joe biden's son. >> reporter: but ziegler described to cbs news a series of roadblocks that included his eff

ziegler, and mr. shapley, they knew that would be utterly ridiculous.y focused on donald trump and it was disgusting. no talk about the money that hunter biden, jim biden and joe biden were taking from foreign countries and didn't acknowledge the fact there was international pay for play scheme going on with the biden family. they only want to focus on donald trump and i think it is indicative of what is going on with jack smith and merrick garland right now, it is funny these two whistleblowers come forward today and all of a sudden there is a new indictment with donald trump going on. there are serious problems at the department of justice and it will take house republicans to get to the bottom of it. >> laura: one moment jamie raskin was trying to argue that hunter biden actually received -- i was howling when i watched this, actually received tougher treatment from the irs. i think we have the sound bite. >> the fact hunter biden faced a four-year criminal probe involving dozens of agents and prosecutors from irs, fbi, u.s. attorney office, doj tax

joseph ziegler is an irs agent who said in his opening statement is he a democrat.not what federal investigators recommended. he and a fellow agent spoke out against the justice department in irs. committee democrats though fought them every step of the way today.

joseph ziegler.d irs whistleblower to come forward. >> i kind of equate this to the experience and ephesian i encountered when coming out. it was honestly one of the hardest things i ever had to go through. i implore you to consider if you were in my position with the facts as i have stated them, ask yourself if you would be doing the exact same thing. >> gary shapley, the irs supervisor who first spoke out says he was blocked from pursuing the hunter biden case further. he wanted felony charges and access to hunter's laptop. >> investigators are not allowed to follow up on whatsapp messages from hunter's apple cloud backup where he suggested he was sitting next to his father. investigators not to ask about the big guy or dad when conducting interviews. >> democrats claim the six hour hearing yesterday was all an effort to obstruct former president donald trump and no smoking gun was discovered. >> we can conclude that this inspector clues so he style quest for something that doesn't exist has turned

investigator joseph ziegler, open, gay, whom liberals are supposed to patronize ziegler's name, whiched on a sign next to his boss's name. harry whisper. he used to be known only as x's informant. many people think that i should have more authority because i am a democrat married to a man, but in my opinion i should be treated the same as everyone else in this room regardless of my targeting strong, pr-hood republicans, whose goal is to appoint a special prosecutor that will raise all the antics of the biden family. and who knows, maybe he will bring the case to impeachment , to a direct question from the head of the oversight committee , james comer, about how much hunter received from ziegler's business partners, he said the exact amount of $ 17 million, the biden family used business companies. norov to receive millions of dollars from foreign companies in china, romania and ukraine, complex financial transactions similarly hide the source of funds and reduce the visibility of the total amounts transferred to biden's bank accounts, but delve into biden's secret enrichment the famil

the name ziegler first appeared on a sign next to the name of his boss. harry whisper.known only as an informant x many people think that i should have more authority, because i am a democrat, married to a man, but in my opinion, i should be treated the same as everyone else. in this room, regardless of my orientation, there is a strong pr-hood of the republicans, the purpose of which investigation is to appoint a special prosecutor, which will bring up all the tricks of the biden family. and who knows, maybe he will bring the case to impeachment when the head of the oversight committee, james idol, asked directly about how much hunter received from ziegler's business partners, said the exact amount of $ 17 million, the biden family used the companies of business partners to millions of dollars from foreign companies in china, romania and ukraine, complex financial transactions similarly hide the source of funds and reduce the visibility of the total amounts transferred to the biden bank accounts, but it was not destined to delve into the secret enrichment of the biden

justin ziegler revealing his identity for the first time and confirming that the biden doj cooked theks in the hunter tax probe. stonewalling steps that may have led to president biden. >> it appeared to me, based on what i experienced, that the u.s. attorney in delaware, in our investigation, was constantly hamstrung, limited and marginalized by doj officials, as well as other u.s. attorneys. i still think that a special counsel is necessary for this investigation. assigned prosecutors did not appear to follow the normal investigative process, slow walk to the investigation, and put in place unnecessary approvals and roadblocks from effectively and efficiently investigating the case. a number of times, we were not able to follow the facts. >> prosecutors instructed investigators not to ask about the big guy or dad when conducting interviews. investigators were not allowed to follow-up on whatsapp messages from hunter biden's apple i cloud backup where he says suggested he was sitting next to his father. >> greg: ziegler also laid out how he was writing off hookers and rooms for his d

the same ziegler said that hunter's case immediately turned out to be special.are not without reason. the strings led to the very top every time we wanted to ask questions related to the president, we heard the following: it would require too many approvals. we can't ask him questions like that , an environment was created in which it was very difficult to work with all your gears for biden. the machine of the american deep state was screwed in, the other would have long been on the nara-hunter came out dry from the water the department of justice delayed the disclosure of the facts and refused to investigate. this led to the hunterabiden partnership agreement, which was announced 5 years after the start of the investigation. one of the points of the agreement was the recognition of the hunters that he, being a drug addict , lied in the questionnaire and illegally acquired a kubra cult pistol with this weapon, the presidential offspring, even photographed naked, as he filmed himself on video from prostitutes spending leisure time. he included in those same tax e

ziegler, did you see thisis report? >> i don't think that i talked about that in my transcript. >> i am assuming that was probably frustrating being you are conducting an investigation. >> i can speak to this again because i did contemporaneously document a long meeting about the laptop and a special agent ziegler confirmed in the house ways and means committee testimony that he pointed out individual pieces of data that he was provided and then he asked why he hadn't seen other pieces of data and that's when the assistant said they were withholding information from the investigators. >> they never said what they werere s withholding. so i think that is like important. >> so it's my understanding the u.s. attorney said that you haven't seen it for a variety of reasons they kept it from the agents. so they kept thishi information from you it's important to know, correct? >> that's correct. isn't it relevant evidence for you and your team to review that this type of evidence would help you to conduct your investigation? >

ziegler. we focused on following the evidence. specifically the money trail through bank records and suspicious activity reports, and i want to discuss with you specific payments made to hunter biden and the biden family. they are saying there is no evidence, but let's get into the evidence. i want to direct you to pages 99 and 100 of your transcript. how much money did hunter biden and his associates received from the romanian company you identify? >> so that amount would be from romania, so the approximate total transfer from the romanian company would have been $3.1 million to everyone. >> how much did hunter biden and his business associates received through the robinson llc? >> total transfer is was 3 million. >> $3 million. was there a $100,000 payment? hunter biden's professional corporation. >> yes, chairman. >> approximately how much was transferred through hudson west three? >> the total transfer to everyone was $3.7 million. >> how much money did hunter biden and his business associates received from the ukrainian compa

ziegler to please begin his opening statement.ay i sit here before you had andnot as a hero or a victim bus a whistleblower compelled to disclose the truth. i said in coming forward i believe i am risking my career, my reputation, have my casework outside of the investigation we are here to discuss. i ultimately made the decision to come forward after what i believe were multiple attempts at blowing the whistle and the internal revenue service, at the internal revenue service. no one should be above the law regardless of your political affiliation. i humbly view my role here today as providing the facts as i best understood them and to let congress of the administration, and the public consider those facts and determine the best passed path forward for a recognize what i was present at the start of its investigation. i was closely involved with the investigation for roughly five years. i'm just a part of the story. others include my calling and supervisory who is here with me today have their own views and understandings of what t

pete: jet you heard from joseph ziegler and the irs whistle blower that came forward and his boss hade forward publicly previously and he testified, joseph ziegler, before congress and talking about his attempts to investigate hunter biden and his tax malfeasance were blocked, slow walked, time and time again. he's a career irs agent as is -- was his boss and he just said, hey, we didn't get a fair shake to investigate someone committing willful tax fraud and it was shannon bream in for brett on special report and asked him about the authority chain of p who was making decisions inside this investigation. here's what he had to say. >> the fbi investigators we were working with and us within the irs, we were frying to phygoyuri colins out how do we get an -- figure out how to get an independent attorney assigned with authority to the investigation and no one knew what to do to bring that issue up. that's frustrating at the end of the day and like we said in our testimony, that was probably one of the first times where we knew there was some sort of influence that was coming into the in

. >> brooke: yesterday whistleblowers upon gary shapley and ziegler revealed how much might have been brought in? >> how much money did hunter biden and associates receive from burisma? >> $6.5 million. and paid blue star strategies hundreds of thousands, bringing payments to $7 million, is that correct? >> that is correct, $7.3 million. >> between 2014 and 2019, bring total amount of foreign income stream to approximately $17 million, correct? >> that is correct. >> carley: gary shapley came forward claiming the hunter biden investigation was poisoned by political interference, doubled down on claims investigators were blocked from looking at hunter biden's laptop. he says one attorney who donated to the biden campaign in 2020 stopped multiple felony charges from being filed against hunter biden. >> matthew graves, appointed by president biden, refused to bring charges, i watched attorney weiss tell senior fbi and irs senior leaders on october 7, 2022, he was not the deciding person on whether charges were filed. >> brooke: the hearing was heating and emotional. watch this. >> i equa

in the case of ziegler, the hunter biden probe, he's a democrat, has nothing to gain professionally,ange? does it impact? >> it is just allegations. merrick garland and david wise are denying this, the american people, tough to know who to believe. the way to get out of this, they alluded to a 99 page charging document. where's the document? david wise tried to be elevated, what paperwork was generated in that effort? we have to see. april will bear this out. pete: bank accounts, it should set us free. pete: what impact your post, we are learning, the fbi told twitter the hunter biden laptop was real on the same day the new york post scooped that story but they censored it anyway. there was a call that day, someone asked if the laptop was real and one of the fbi people on the call said it wasn't another jumped in and said no further comment. twitter new but they censored it. >> strikes me as quaint to talk about the fbi in this capacity. the fbi had the laptop since december 2019 and they knew, all the way back then, when the computer repairman of delaware gave it to them. the agency

on the right, joseph ziegler, he said he is existing his career, but compelled to tell the truth.e said, no one is above the law. he said, i was told i must be credible because i'm married to a man and i'm a democrat, my credibility comes from my experience at the irs. he's assigned to an elite team of 12, international crime, tax evasion and fraud. he said, what was happening with the biden family, i couldn't get behind and this investigation was blocked. >> brian: as much as you should keep your eye on david weiss, they won't appear together. keep your eyes and ears open for leslie wolf. she said, i tipped off the biden family and i told you don't ask to go into the laptop, it will take too many approvals. she told shapley, informed the laptop would not be provided and not to do anything about the family, only focus on hunter and when it came to hunter's international business dealing, it was stopped. the foundation, james galar, rob walker, devin archer and hunter biden. we watched that. then we got the irs pushing pressure, saying why does this guy not file taxes? what about c

maybe not such a coincidence and doubly alien among their own sensed investigator joseph ziegler, ann a sign next to his boss's name. harry whisper. previously, he was only known as informant x. many people think that i should have future authority because i am a democrat married to a man, but in my opinion i should be treated the same as everyone else in this room, regardless of my orientation, the strong pr hood of the republicans is the goal of the investigation. which is the appointment of a special prosecutor that will raise all the tricks of the biden family, and who knows, may and will bring the case to impeachment to a direct question from the head of the oversight committee, james comer, about how much hunter received from ziegler business partners, said the exact amount of $ 17 million, the biden family used business partner companies to receive millions of dollars from foreign companies in china romania and ukraine complex financial transactions. similar hide the source of funds and reduce the visibility of total amounts transferred to biden's bank accounts, but it was not

ziegler told me there.id there was a point he had a conversation with the investigative agent side and the attorneys and prosecutors involved. he thought there was some understanding of multiple felony and misdemeanor charges and the whole th in the plea deal. what do you make of this? >> jonathan: the whistleblower testimony was riveting and a bombshell, the fact you have career employee, who is not a republican partisan and evident he was unhappy and uncomfortable having to testify. the story he told was compelling, he felt he was handcuffed and talked about how the agents, career employees had assembled enough evidence of willfulness for stronger charges. it appears may have been political appe. we have enough evidence to move forward on criminal charges, it got quashed, it is disturbing. >> shannon: we have david weiss here who maintains hhad authority to do what hand said same. at national review, the editors, including our buddy andy mccarthy, weiss had ultimate authority over where to file charges, w

that's in special agent ziegler's transcript. that's why i couldn't find it. >> laura: whoops.'s try that again. >> mr. zeigler and you shared concerns about delays related to the election cycle. but at that time joe biden was not the president? >> i believe at that time he was the nominee for president. >> so i'm confused by your lane of questioning. we are talking about an election to which now president biden was a part of. so, he didn't have to be the president to have election meddling. >> no. buff the question was. this was he the president at that time in april 2020? >> it's been asked and answered. >> the answer is? yes or no? >> no. >> thank you. thank you, i yield back mr. chairman, may i finish? >> please. you may answer the question. >> so, you know, it's clear that he was not the president but an election is for the purpose of electing a president. and joe biden at the time was a nominee. >> laura: this is just embarrassing. it was another liberal swing and a miss. and the left wing whips kept coming. >> it seems to me a lot of your testimony has been about the pro

just listen to whistle-blower democrat joseph ziegler in his own words.e a look. >> people are saying that i must be more credible because i'm a democrat who happens to be married to a man. i am no more credible than this man sitting next to me due to my sexual orientation or my political beliefs. the truth is, my credibility comes today from my job experience with the irs and my intimate knowledge of the agency standard and procedures. >> i thought democrats loved whistle-blowers. they like the hearsay whistle-blower if they can impeach donald trump. it isn't a the vast right-wing conspiracy, according to irs agents joseph ziegler. there's a mountain of evidence that hunter biden committed serious felonies. take a look. >> with respect to the 2014 tax year, hunter biden did not report any of the money earned from a respect for the 2014 tax year, which would have been attacks lost in the government of $124,000. thus, as i read the public documents as he department of justice action against biden, there's nothing that indicates hunter biden will be require

ziegler was the lead investigator for the irs on hunter biden. he is a democrat. he he ha a democs he has a lot e by by coming forward in the sense that who knows what his personal sean: and professional what more irs whistleblowers that we know of. >> man oy more may follow. >> and it's a crime to lie ins a federal whistleblower complaint. so this is hime toe would face y serious consequences if any of this testimony was untruint.e. >> all right. 20 seconds. last answer, greg jarrett will joe biden be tied to this money? money be more and more every day like that, that's going to happen? think h i think he will, but he doesn't have be in order to have committed crimes. >> it is a crime for a public official to confer a benefit on a foreign entity in exchange for money to himself or his family. he doesn't have to receive to he anything to have committed a whole host com like crime. >> if you give ukraine $1,000,000,000, if they firear prosecutors so your son can make money in a field, there'set no experience, and i think that might qualify. it's a dilution of the

ziegler very clear we will see what this judge does i don't think this stunt at least if reporting stunt tried yesterday i don't think that is going to help chances of this going forward we have to wait and see what the judge does. maria: great point that you make that we didn't have the whistleblower testimony we may not have had the bank records as well. will the judge and an what their looking at with regards to hunter biden? i have bn asking since this happened how judge doj prosecute tax not wade on income not a gift where it came from. >> that was reason chairman smith sen testimony, transcripts to the court so court would have that could examine that filed amicus what they are trying if you can believe what is reported about folks in biden team trying to get that withdrawn that is trying to keep from the court, again, that is pretty valuable everyone saw testimony last week how credibly they were fbi ask was deposed by committee a week ago monday confirmed so many things that mr. shapley mr. ziegler said during testimony, i find it that their testimony their story has not changed

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x is an open gay ziegler. he went against his own, that is, against the party.ed to talk about it. even though i know i'm risking my own career and reputation and job, but no one should be above the law. i was the lead investigator on the hunter biden case, and so was my colleague. i don't understand what happened to this investigation. in short, nothing good bosses all the time beat on the hands of the prosecutor's office, which, in theory, was supposed to help put sticks in the wheels. and this despite the fact that it was a huge even by american standards. sumac over 5 years, biden and his family received about $ 17 million from foreigners, most of it through complex shell banking schemes with the hunter biden investigation. completely different from all the other cases that i dealt with in my 14 years of service in the naugovaya at every level , decisions were made that helped the object of our investigation, the elder, to his victory. the fbi stood firm in the elections and the bureau's leadership helped present the laptop story as yet another russian inter

my 14 years at the r s, the other iris was of lower is joseph ziegler, also known as was the lower x, me his identity public for the 1st time during the hearing. he is an iris agent to serve as the lead on the 100 by the investigation. ziegler said that despite being smeared in the mainstream media for being a democrat who called out members of his own party, he believes that coming forward was the right thing to do. today. as i said here before, you not as a here or, or victim, but as a whistleblower compelled to disclose the truth. that said in coming forward, i believe i'm risking my career, my reputation, and my case work outside of the investigation. we're here to discuss. i ultimately made the decision to come forward after what i believe or multiple times a blowing the whistle in the internal revenue service that you agents who were involved in the 5 year long investigation into the president's son, testified before the house oversight committee on wednesday, where they reveal that before 100 biting was offered that likely deal for his alleged crimes. he was basic multiple felo

in front of the oversight committee yesterday, ziegler and felly irs agent gary shapley both allege investigation into joe biden's son, hunter. >> it appeared to me based on what i experienced that the u.s. attorney in delaware in our investigation was constantly hamstrung, limited, and marginalized by u.s. attorneys. i still thing that a special counsel is necessary for this investigation. >>> ziegler, and shapely also claim justice department officials stopped them from examining the finances of president joe biden where they wanted to look for a possible connection to hunter's troubled finances, allegations to the justice department repeatedly denied and democrats on the committee question. >> one thing you will not hear today is any evidence of wrongdoing by president joe biden or his administration. like every other try by our colleagues to concoct a scandal about president biden this one is a complete and total bust. >>> the trump appointed u.s. attorney for delaware, davidwise who is leading the investigation into hunter biden sent several letters to congress about the author

from ziegler is an incredibly credible witness.t's the first thing i want to get across to your audience. he's a career irs man, he was the lead investigator on the irs probe investigating -- elizabeth: criminal probe. >> criminal probe. he is a democrat, he is a gay democrat as he announced in the hearing. he has absolutely nothing to gain from -- this, he has everything to lose. it is a crime to bring forward false whistleblower allegations, so he would face criminal prosecution if any of this was bologna. the charges demand further investigation. elizabeth: you know, the democrats' attempts to repeatedly bring up trump, not a sober look at the evidence, not a sober look at what the whistleblowers were saying. it seemed out of touch and, you know, off the wall. this news out of house oversight providing evidence that despite joe biden's preeted denials, joe biden -- appropriated denials, joe biden did repeatedly meet with hunter's business partners, knew about his business dealings dating back to 2012 -- 2013, when he started let

that's not what joseph ziegler said.ons with congressional committees led by republicans on the house side about having some communication with elm. this obviously we are closely tracking. you are always welcome to come here first if you would like to give us an interview as well. let's talk about president trump. we get a date today for his trial related to the mar-a-lago documents. that's going to be may 20th. i think all of us who have practiced feel like it was all the pre-trial motions and shenanigans that's not going to happen. there is also this from the guardian talking about we are waiting to see what the georgia special grand jury has. they say in the trump investigation the fulton county district attorney fanny willis has evidence racketeering indictment influencing wins and computer trespass people said. the new details about the direction and scope of the case come as prosecutors are expected to seek indictments starting in the first two weeks of august so, susan, we now wait for those. but this stuff is pil

. >> that was joseph ziegler. he joins us now. he was the lead irs case agent. he says he grew up in a conservative household but now identifies as a democrat with in his words, middle of the road views. we appreciate your time this morning. >> i appreciate you having me on the show. >> what is your reaction to the plea deal being put on hold. >> yeah, so i think based on the judge's reaction and what happened yesterday that she acted impartial. she acted independent. i think it showed that the prosecution rushed this agreement through and mismanaged the situation, and he could have gotten off with an easy deal, but with the judge and her reaction saying this is not normal, i think it's important that people see that, hey, this -- there's -- the judicial system is working, and you have someone that is looking at what is happening here, and they're seeing that this is not normal and that we have to treat everyone the same. >> it is possible that they work this out in the next 30 days and that hunter biden does plead to two misdemeanors and deferring on a gun char

lucas tomlinson live in washington with more on all of that, lucas. >> some of the evidence ziegler's allowed to see if the unclassified document from a ukrainian american informant alleging the head of ukrainian energy giant burisma paid joe biden and his son hunter a total of $10 million. >> you should be able to follow the evidence. we should be able to interview witnesses appeared we should be able to do all the proper procedures. i understand this was a politically sensitive case. but at the end of the day it was a matter of at the end of the date we weren't following all the evidence that we should have. ask the informant says the head of burisma told him he was coerced to pay joe biden and his quote stupid son hunter in order to get ukraine's top prosecutor fired was investigating the ukraine energy company pretty 2018 biden bragged about getting that prosecutor asked. >> will even six hours of prosecutors not fired for not not given the money. he got fired. the extent of the fbi document can be verified some of the said same thing about the steele dossier jon, room called dona

ziegler myself before the ways and means committee to get this information released. american people saw yesterday by their testimony, there are questions that they are credible. they are individuals that care about their country and they care about the agency that they work for, and they are upset because they have seen the government not treat all taxpayers equally. in fact, if you are wealthy or your last name is biden, you are treated much more favorably. they highlight numerous examples how the justice department in the hunter biden investigation delayed the investigation so much the fact that the statue of limitations expired for felony crimes in 2014-22015 tax years. >> john: to that point ziegler leaves the doj ignored the guidelines when it come to the hunter biden investigation. >> there were a lot of tax cases with misdemeanors and felonies. there are a lot of reasons we charge the felony. we might charge the misdemeanor. but i want to be clear on this, when you have a felony charge with a misdemeanor, that you have to charge the felony. in this case, they