david, uh, what's behind the rational then, do you think uh, with the zien is trying to minimize the influence of apac? well, the zianists try and pretend that they don't really exist. 'i mean when you say that an organization is a sionist organization, they quite often say, oh no, no, it's just an ordinary jewish communal organization, and you point out that in the constitution, they say they support israel or they're affiliated to the world zist organization, they don't they don't want to have any open conversation about what the zionist movement is, about the existence of it, about the existence of the the israel lobby or the zionist lobby, and and so they try and pretend that there's that there's a you, it's not really very significant thing, yes of course they the lobby for israel, but but you know it's just like any other lobby, there's nothing to see here, don't even bother yourself about this, so it's an attempt to to try and divert attention away from the the actual facts about how the zionist movement, the israel lobby operates, well dan, um, you've confronted apac supporte