in that case, the jury was jury found defendant zimmerman george zimmerman. not guilty. how we moved on from that 1010 years later. that's an interesting question. but actually what was also interesting was we were listening to ben crump, who is clearly one of the ways to forward civil rights attorneys now and in the us . he's seen at all. george floyd earlier this year, but he got really, really emotional when he was asked to consider that these, these 3 men might be acquitted before an attorney. i'm a black man, and i have black children. and i said, my guy, if america can come down this, then all parents who have children are karla. we can't protect whatever the outcome had. fremont also face federal hate crimes. and in the past that has been very difficult to make stick. but in this case, there is a sense that there may be more evidence because it seems that one of the defendants did use racial slurs in the aftermath of killing of an abra. she average hands it with all the lakers for us from outside that courthouse in georgia. thank you. she him was staying in the un

george zimmer zi zimmerman. that was a very similar case of authority who thought they were trayvon martin has that issue with george zimmermanmerman was in fear of his life when he shot and killed trayvon martin. i'm glad the verdict has come in. we've all been waiting very patiently for the jury to make its determination, but to be honest with you, i'm very nervous about what this could mean. >> and a reminder to our viewers, there are a total of nine counts for each of the three defendants, so 27 counts total if you do the math there. and each of these men are facing the same counts that range from murder to aggravated assault to false imprisonment. so when we get the verdict delivered, we are told that it's going to go defendant by defendant. so you'll hear all nine counts verdict for one defendant before moving on to the next defendant. again, they could come back with a verdict that is guilty for one defendant and not for the other. areva, what do you see as the most likely possibility here? any thoughts on that? >> one of the cases, one of the cases that stands out the most in terms of being distinguishable from the ot

done but here is the problem, david, that was the exact prosecution case in the george zimmerman trial that george zimmermanboy walking around with iced tea and candy for his brother and followed him and said there was crimes in the neighborhood, i was worried and chased him down. the police said don't chase him. he did. because the teenager defends himself and says i'm in fear for my life, shoots him. that's the same case and zimmerman walked. in america, the absurd can work if you are a certain kind of person. your thoughts? >> joy, that's right. what stands out to me more when we compare to the zimmerman trial is not just the facts and arguments but the composition of the jury. >> correct. >> that's what actually worries me. now, she did a lot of things right that we didn't see in the rittenhouse trial and the first one is she walked the jury down through the charge. basically explaining here is how you vote on each charge. here is a reason why. that was critical. she did two things that were harder to notice but really important. she preempted the defense by doing what is smart trial lawyer will do and

george zimmerman. >> yeah. >> but george zimmerman went out of his way to make trouble and kill trayvon. >> there werending zimmerman. then we found out who zimmerman was, right? >> right. >> as if shooting trayvon wasn't enough, we find out over time, they slowly start peeling away. but this kid went across state lines shot a guy in the back and killed another guy with a skateboard. >> testimony resumes later today. >>> still ahead, some of the most read opinion pages on the heels of election day. >>> plus, the 97-year-old who just won a second term as mayor. keep it right here on "morning joe." every day in business brings something new. so get the flexibility of the new mobile service designed for your small business. introducing comcast business mobile. you get the most reliable network with nationwide 5g included. and you can get unlimited data for just $30 per line per month when you get four lines or mix and match data options. available now for comcast business internet customers with no line-activation fees or term contract required. see if you can save by switching today. comcast business. p

people are treated in this country because it hinted george zimmerman and when you think of the cases, the new definition of crt is you have george zimmerman and killed under circumstance where kyle rittenhouse, not the case we're talking about can walk by the place not so much as being questioned and if you think that's not going to play a role in this trial, you're missing the point. >> 100%. the man that massacred nine people inside emanuel church got a cheese burger lunch from police. that's why there is critical race theory in law schools because we have an equality in our system of justice by race. that's a reality. sorry if that makes you feel sad for people that don't like crt. thank you. >>> up next, a brilliant documentary offer as definitive look at the five-day standoff between prisoners and police at attica in 1971. award winning director stanley nelson and tracy curry join us next. stay with us. curry join us next stay with us ♪ ♪ ♪ downy's been taking you back, since way back. with freshness and softness you never forget. feel the difference with downy. (vo) is three hundred and ninety-one thousand four hundred and thirty-fo

we were talking about how this case reminds us so much of the george zimmerman trial in which zimmerman3th, 2013 of murdering a teenager, 17-year-old traian basescu. much like the rittenhouse case zimmerman case was fundamentally about american vigilanteism. and whether it is legal for a person not in law enforcement to take it upon themselves to arm themselves with a gunshot and mete out what they deem as justice in the name of self-defense and investigating property crime. according to the laws maneuvered into place by the nra, that is indeed legal in america. statistically mainly if you're white. european history on the american continent from 1619 to today is an almost unbroken record of vigilanteism in the name of defending property rights, whether that property was human and african and enslaved or in the form of wives or daughters who had no individual property or voting rights of their own. or whether it was physical land. america is a country formed by men who threw off the european kings to become little kings of their own with land and slaves and women under their charge. and

had audio in the trial of george zimmerman where he was on the phone saying i'm going to follow this kid and the 911 operator was saying, don't follow him. and george zimmerman i can't breathe 11 times on video. it was clear what was happening. the officer was in charge in that case. the video is clear here, but video has never been a sort of -- a sort of guarantee to justice in this country. >> not for some. jonathan, adding to that frustration is the fact that gun control and police reform have gotten nowhere in congress. >> no, no question there. and i think that it is something that frustrates a lot of democrats, a lot of african americans and a lot of americans who many of whom voted for president biden, voted democratic, who thought that this year or a democrat in the white house, democrats controlling both houses of congress, that there could be real progress on issues that matter to them. gun rights not only has there not been any real meaningful change there, the president signed a couple of executive orders that tightens gun laws around the edges, but nothing of any substance. and in front of the supreme court now, there is a case out of new york t

mark o'meara was george zimmerman's defense attorney in the infamous trayvon martin murder trial and helped get zimmerman acquitted. and laura coates, former federal prosecutor and cnn super duper senior legal analyst. it's good to have you both. first let's talk a little bit about the judge in these s sidebars, although sometimes in the presence of the jury, and then where we think things stand. going after the prosecutor the way he does, not letting the prosecutor ask rittenhouse about what he had said about shooting looters at blm protests in the past, and not getting to ask that witness about the place that he works and the politics behind it, fair or unfair? >> well, i think it is unfair. of course you don't want to put your thumb on the scale to aid prosecutors because of course there is already a lot of weight when you have a jurisdiction versus an individual. there's already a lot of things stacked against that defendant. but not putting the thumb on the scale is not the same thing as tying the prosecutor's arm behind their back when there are legitimate purposes for introducing certain aspects o

you remember george zimmerman, the neighborhood watch coordinator who killed 17-year-old trayvon martin in 2012. zimmermanrt a suspicious person in his gated neighborhood in florida. he ignored advice from police and shot martin, later shooting the teenager in i'm sure you guessed it so-called self-defense. now all of these men sought out the very conflict they later claimed they were forced to protect theblgs themselves again. in 2014, zimmerman was acquitted. the eyes of the nation watches what goes on inside courtrooms in georgia and wisconsin. it's not just four white men in trial. white vigilanteism is on trial as well. >>>. >>> closing arguments are expected monday in the trial of kyle rittenhouse. tony evers announced 500 national guard troops will be on standby. we will talk to someone inside that courtroom in kenosha, wisconsin, excuse me there, sierra gillespie. she joins me now. it's great to have you with us. i know the judge has been making all kind of headlines, even before this case began, quite frankly, before barring the use of the word victim during the trial. he has only continued to at

the reality is that race matters in george zimmerman's trial for killing trayvon martin. five of the six jurors were white. zimmermanerse, chauvin was convicted. this is typical. black jurors are discriminated against, denied their equal protection right under the constitution. black people accused of crimes can be tried with no black people in their jury and that jeopardizes their constitutional right to equal justice under the law. >> we can't exclude the fact that voting restrictions also keep you off the jury pool. if you are barred from being registered to vote, you can't be on a jury. all of these things work together. this is why critical race theory exists, y'all. this is what they study under critical race theory in law school, because there are systems in place. when i think about these trials, especially the arbery trial, all i can think about is the emmett till trial, the milam trial, the trial of these two fiends who lynched a 14-year-old boy. and an all white jury was spit-spot, they're fine. all go home. that's all i can think about. what with you? >> now it's 2021, and we're still talking about virtu

george zimmerman where he killed trayvon martin, the defendants in the ahmaud arbery trial, they're seen as heroes, and victims seen as criminals. the message sent by verdicts like the kyle rittenhouse and zimmerman case, someone that's a self proclaimed protector, self proclaimed protector of the property of others can grab a gun, place themselves in confrontational situation with a person that's done nothing wrong, demand their orders be followed by virtue of their presence, say they fear for their lives which is a police standard and kill claiming self defense in situations that they actually initiated. never in these situations is the question asked what rights do the deceased have as citizens to defend themselves. >> the arbery trial is still under way, there are similarities, the defendants are saying we were at risk in some fashion. the prosecutors seem to establish that they were not at risk in any fashion whatsoever, there was no known crime that he had committed and all points he was trying to get away from men that ultimately killed him. >> yes. and we are seeing this now becoming a trend. trayvon was doing nothing, walking through his own neighborhood. kyle rittenhouse was somewhere h