paul saginaw is the co-founder of the zingerman's community of business. he also cost his vote for obama four years ago and steve schmidt is the owner of the enchanted springs ranch in texas. he supported john mccain in the last election. thank you all for coming and joining in in the first of this series which i'm so excited about. i want to start with you, gene, because i do think in talking to small business owners, a lot is happening. we don't exactly know how it's going to affect us. so when you look at the issues that the candidates are talking about, or should be talking about, what are -- what are the two things that you think we as small business owners most need to pay attention to the views from the candidates? >> there's really two big important things that i see. and by the way, when you say that i voted for president obama, just to be clear, i'm a registered republican, as well, who voted for george bush twice. and then voted for obama. and so i've kind of, you know, been on both sides of the table there. two things i think are really importa