stand by for a moment general zinni. doug, let me bring you in on this. you worked on iraq in the bush administration and the obama administration. >> right. >> when you see this debate for what's going on, who is to plame, you hear cheney and other republicans saying they had victory when the u.s. was going withdraw. the u.s. never really negotiated. a status of force agreement and they wanted to get out and as a result, the u.s. and everyone else is paying a huge price. it's all president obama's fault. >> i don't think there is any question that president obama wanted to get out of iraq, just like every united states citizen wanted to get out of iraq. iraqi politics were never going to allow a residual force to stay in iraq past 2011. what we called the sofa, they called the wig drawl agreement. >> status of force agreement. >> he was in baghdad and he heard from nuri al maliki saying he was open to it, but the obama administration never seriously pursued it. >> well, like in politics here, the leadership may want something. that doesn't mean they can

first of all, general zinnie, thanks so much for being here.t the 300 military advisors will be doing? we're told they'll be broken up into several small teams, about a dozen individuals each. tell us where they go and assist the iraqi military. >> well, it depends on which level they're advising. at the more senior levels, at the corps, division brigade level they might it be advising more operational level things such as logistics, intelligence, fire support coordination. it would be the more broader staff functions. and they would also be a conduit for any support that we might have to bring in and coordinate. at the lower levels if we put them down on the frontline levels, at the company level, platoon level where you might see special operations forces, it might be advice on weapons and tactics. it could be actually helping collect intelligence, reconnaissan reconnaissance. could be to actually control u.s. fires like air support. so depending on the level, obviously, you're going to get a different kind of advice that goes up the chain. >

i disagree with general zinni. i think it's not okay to speak with the iranians.a nice phrase for this. he says the iranian interest in iraq is to keep the sunnis down, the kurds in and the americans out. right now nouri al-maliki isn't serving any of their agenda items. i think this man needs to be replaced. i think we have to have a substantial presence on the ground to give us the influence we need to work indirectly in conjunction with the iranians who share some interests with us to make sure there's an interest. >> it's not in our interests. i don't see how you cut and split apart support or work with iran and then in another case oppose them. i just don't see the deftness in diplomacy that we've been lacking that will pull this off. >> richard clarke, would you agree, talk with them? >> i don't think so much. we have to be seen to have our advisors standing next to the iranian advisors on the ground. the major thing is it's not america's job to fix the middle east, it's america's job to worry about our own interests. we have to be guided by two principles.

general zinni, what message is this to send 275 troops, is what they are say, to iraq, say to isis. though this is specific, this is just for the embassy. but is it a significant message? >> well, i don't think they will have a reaction it this one way or the other. this is simply for security for our own people out there. it is the next steps, what we do in terms of an advisory effort. security assistance and the way of equipping and assessing where the iraqi military and security forces are right now. the ability to provide teams on the ground that can help gain intelligence, help them about their intelligence collection and also if we elect to go with the airstrikes in support of forces when they get to counter offensive to retake these areas that we have control on the ground of that air, which would be ours, which i think is necessary if we get into close combat or they get into close combat. >> honest issue of close combat, you just heard bremer, in saying they need targeted strikes and boots on the ground in the form of intelligence and to guide those strikes. not troops per

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i have a terrific panel with me, retired general anthony zinny was the commander of u.s. central command. in that post, he oversaw all u.s. troops in the greater middle east. richard clark spent 30 years working national security at the highest levels of government, including ten years at the national security council under both presidents bush and president clinton. he's also the author of the new thriller, sting of the drone. and robert grenier was the iraq missions manager from 2002 until 2004 and director of the cia's counterterrorism center from 2004 to 2006. gentlemen, welcome. richard clark, when we think about these things, we often think about them in sort of technical terms. will this make the army stronger, more effective? but my experience is it's red on the ground in political terms. the united states is supporting the shia dominated government, we are not supporting the sunnis, we are taking sides. do you worry that this is going to be read in a sectarian way, this support? >> i do. after all, the united states refused to get involved in syria, refused to he

i agree with general zinni that the prime minister has to go but i don't think it needs to be in theneed to get through this crisis first and as the ambassador says, maliki should step aside. >> what about president obama, sally, does he need to distance himself from nuri al maliki? >> well, i think the united states shouldn't have installed him in the first place. there's question are our chickens coming to roost getting into this war we weren't prepared for these sectarian tensions. we did nothing to prevent this from happening and we allowed this sectarian leader to continue to do what he did and set up the groundwork for all of this. >> we heard earlier up to 275 security forces sent to iraq to -- especially to make sure that our embassy is safe. now we hear that the pentagon is preparing to send 100 special forces, military advisors to iraq. that's if president obama signs off on it. green berets, army rangers, navy s.e.a.l.s. what do you make of that? does this appear -- does it appear that the administration is backing off on what it said would be no combat troops? >> i think

general anthony zinni, thank you for your perspective. thank you for being with us on "new day." >> thank you, chris. >>> there are several other stories you'll want to watch as you start your new day. let's get to john berman in for michaela. >> officials blaming the al shabaab group in kenya. the red cross says 48 people were shot and hacked to death as attackers went door-to-door in a small coastal town. it happened as many residents were watching the world cup on tv. >>> as sergeant bowe bergdahl continues to recover in a texas military hospital, the army has appointed an unnamed two star general to investigate the disappearance. it's thought he was captured after he left his post. the departure brought accusations of desertion from some soldiers who served with bergdahl. >>> answers from the irs for losing lois lerner's e-mails. the agency notified congress friday that it couldn't recover lerner's' mails from january 2009 to april 2011 because of a computer crash. she is the central figure in flagging tea party tax exemption applicat