next up we want to introduce you zoe quin. the author hoff this book "crash override: how gamergate nearly destroyed my life and how we can win the fight against online hate." what would you do for a living? >> guest: i usually -- ultimately my day job is in independent game develop are but i also help on a crisis resource center for people whoing targeted for harassment. >> host: late go to the gamer part of that. what exactly do you do? >> guest: a lot of stuff. since i'm an independent game developer i make most of the stuff on my own or a small team. i'm a programmer, writer, artist, work with the composer because nobody needs to hear my terrible music ever again but it's a little bit of everything and i try to make it for people who don't think that games are for them,s' subjects that aren't usually tackled. >> host: what's a game you have developed that an audience that is not familiar with that know snooze i'm best known for the game -- about depression. >> host: describe what happens in this game? are you on a console,