so the constitutional court said, "you must go to the zondo "commission." i said to him. well, what we know is that next month, zuma's corruption trial is due to resume, and there is an awful lot of tension across south africa right now because, again, there is speculation that there are forces loyal to mr zuma in some elements of south africa's security forces who may be planning — how can one put it?�* — actions against the government. a year ago, we saw violence across parts of your country, where guns were looted and stolen. do you fear that insurrection is a possibility in the coming months as tension rises around the zuma trial? firstly, there were no guns which were looted ever in south africa during thejuly unrest, so it's incorrect to say that there were guns looted. people looted the most basic things because of the levels of poverty in south africa, so the peddling of guns being looted is an imagination that... crosstalk. that's not true. containers of weapons disappeared in durban. you know it as well as i do, it was widely reported. no, no, but

no, i met president zuma to persuade him to go to the zondo commission.tion that if he doesn't go, and ultimately he gets arrested, there's going to be a problem in south africa. and also, reminding him that we grew up under you, you guys used to teach us that we ought to respect the constitutional court as a final arbiter, and then, comply with whatever the constitutional court says. so today, you guys want to create an impression that if the constitutional court has spoken, there can still be others who speak apart from the court, which is wrong. so the criminal court said, "you go to the zondo commission." that's what i said to him. well, what we know is that next month, zuma's corruption trial is due to resume — and there is an awful lot of tension across south africa right now because, again, there is speculation that there are forces loyal to mr zuma in some elements of south africa's security forces who may be planning, how can one put it, actions against the government. a year ago, we saw violence across parts of your country where guns were loote