so we talked to a few of the facilitators in zuccotti park, and they said that they thought the best thing to do would be to go to a general assembly in the park, and in the announcements of the general assembly just announced we were doing the book, and asked for volunteers. so around about the beginning of october, a few of us went down and i was scheduled to speak. i was feeling a little nervous about it. first of all, because i had never spoken to the people's microphone before, and it's a particular skill. you have to speak very concisely and to the point. and secondly, i was anxious because the points i was trying to get over to the general a summit were actually quite complicated. i wanted to say that we're going to do a book that was an instant history, that was not analytical but really descriptive. that didn't claim to be the official voice of the occupy wall street. but that was going to try as were putting it together to mirror the principles of occupy wall street and that it was going to be participatory and horizontally organized. anyone who wanted to be a part of putti

before we started this class, people had gone back to zuccotti park and they had a hearing with a judge and the decision was supposed to come at 3:00. a little while ago. i don't know if it's come yet. something is happening in the occupy movement and we're in the middle of i. -- and because we have in the middle of it we have no earthly idea how it's going to turn out. what we know is it's not going to turn out the way people think it is. because history plays tricks on us and we can never predict. we're midstream. are they troublemakers? if they flop they're troublemakers. if they're the beginning of the mass movement then they turn out to be prophets or what did you say? legendary. and a young man i met on sunday who, you know, the first person i actually know who's been sleeping out there, we exchanged cell phone numbers. he and his wife got arrested last night. maybe they're going to end up being heroes in the movement. i have no idea. seems like perfectly nice people. but they might just be flops and troublemakers. there's another paragraph that i want to get to in here before --

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mark mekler from the tea party patriots, david degraw one of the original occupiers in zuccotti parkf the founders of the 99% movement. and yet the two men could not agree more over the most pressing issue that faces our collective country today -- the existence of two sets of rules in our communities, our states, and ultimately in our federal government. our next guest says that we've been creating this situation in our own country through all of these little decisions we make every day and all of these communities large and small over the past 50 years. charles murray is the author of "coming apart, the state of white america 1960 to 2010" in his effort to show the widening gap of influence, affluence, and the quality of life between classes murray strips away race and ethnicity ultimately from the conversation. interested in your thoughts from both mark mekler of the tea party patriots, conservative guy. >> mm-hmm. >> and david degraw. >> the occupy guy. >> original zuccotti park occupier full on anti-bank activist. the two men met for the first time in texas with our road show. i

was obviously not mainstream media a lot of people making the arguments that what surfaced in zuccotti park, hundreds of websites both here and in other countries, and that in some way shows people will inform themselves if they're unhappy, they will find ways to inform themselves from journalism or otherwise. at the same time, i think luce thought america was united by something. now america is united by technology. perhaps pnot much more. and part of the problem is they say we have the technology, we have the meet up rngs s, we hav to communicate on line. we don't immedianeed institutio beyond that. >> that's my cu developmee to q something that jackson wrote. it is delusional to pretend that the lumbering bow heem moths of the contemporary media industry have preserved any of the old republican concerns for an educated citizenry. >> that's what i want to talk about. >> that is a concern here of course and that's lower rate republican. >> yes. >> this is what of course i tend to believe is central to democracy. it's not about voting. it's about an informed citizenry like the one michael w

they allowed the occupy wall streeters to parade without a permit and camp in zuccotti park without a permit and defecate on cop cars. let me forget. the raping and drug selling. all of that crime associated with it. they will let these people do that, but we cannot have a parade for our veterans? they already endorsed this movement. remind them of this. when you go back home, if you talk tur elected official, say do you condone the violence in this movement? do you still endorse the movement after witnessing over 300 acts of documented violence? that doesn't include the over 2,000 individuals who have been arrestest because they won't abide by the law? do you condone this? do you support this? that's how you defeat them. [ applause ] >> i think that's exactly the answer. we're wrapping up. we have a few minutes left. i want to give you a chance to wrap it up and speak. i'll go down the line with amam. >> i echo what dana said. they are out here outside of this hotel protesting us because we are a threat to their agenda. that's the bottom line. if we were not a threat to their agenda,

we're portrayed and if you look at how for instance in the days and weeks before the encampment in zuccotti park in new york was shut down if you read the new york post there were portrayed as drug addicts vandals anarchists radicals they the authorities attempted to paint the movement with exactly these kinds of attributes and that's a pretty good example of what we don't want to be we don't want to play into their hands and the black bloc which are you know primarily why i sort of neal is stick. destructive embrace in sort of confusing petty vandalism in this repellent sort of cynicism with revolution. there are exactly they conform to the stereotype that the enemies of the movement would like and that's a pretty good window into why they have to be separated from the movement if they were if they really were about confronting the police and confronting corporate power they wouldn't be using the movement to hide behind they would be going out striking out on their own to go after these targets and i think that's because ultimately and if you look at sort of radical block block area logs it's p

the movement got as big as it did as fast as it did it doesn't explain how a small encampment in zuccotti park with little street mainstream media attention turned into a worldwide movement for that we have to thank the police images like these led to occupy spreading like a wildfire women getting corralled and pepper sprayed in new york the streets of oakland turning into a war zone cops firing tear gas canisters canisters of people's heads and shooting rubber coated steel bullets students sitting peacefully in protest at the university of california davis well within the rights laid out the first amendment getting doused with chemical weapons in the face these are the images that have inflamed the american part of this revolution and we can thank citizens citizen journalists who took out their cameras when times got dangerous to record these images they needed to make sure that the chance around them were true that the whole world was indeed watching this video is as crucial to the movement as are the horrors of the unemployment figures the ongoing corruption in washington d.c. and the crime

i sympathize somewhat with those young folks evicted from zuccotti park. but they have identified the wrong target. whatever redistribution these crusaders clamor for from the 1% of the rich pales in significance -- in comparison to the massive and unjust distribution now going on among the generation. the sovereign debt crisis is a crisis not only of the united states, but of current liberal democracy as such under the welfare state model. it's almost universal as events in europe are making clear. just think of how many progressives, only three years ago, were touting europe and the european welfare state as the model for america. now you never hear a progressive invoke europe in a positive vein unless it's to describe a lovely dinner enjoyed in paris on some ngo's dime. and yet in president obama's blueprint for the future, the great challenge of our time barely makes an appearance, being mentioned in a couple of lines that tout, of all things, a paltry savings of $1 trillion, which is, of course, mostly fictitious anyhow. the debt crisis is not central

to a protester a veteran of the occupy wall street movement and talk about what it was like in zuccotti park. >> i seen a big nypd s.w.a.t. bus stop at the corner and turn the lights on. my mouth was telling everybody, get up, this may be it. there was more and more cop cars coming. what they also did, they cut off the pay phones, they cut off the cell phones and the news chopper in the air during that time, they told them to get out so they can do the raid, whatever happens in the park, it won't be televised. >> reporter: we spoke to him a lot earlier when this happened. essentially the same thing happened here. there is some action going on as we speak. >> we want to mention the u.s. park police here in d.c. have been a lot more measured necessarily than the nypd, when they cleared out occupy wall street. what we want you to do is set this thing -- we understand there was helicopter above, mounted police, barricade situation. what are the demands that us park police are making? >> reporter: essentially all they told us was to get out of the perimeter they established with the horses. they

is it obama and the ducati -- or zuccotti park protesters?t, if you want to say it, the tea party people? i mean, which view of america is better? is it the obama view of the entitlement mentality he wants to increase or is it individual responsibility? that's the issues. >> congratulations. you deserve congratulations on the supposed iq of your dog. thank you. a heck of a dog. thank you for joining us. >>> "the huffington post" has numbers coming out. howard fineman is an msnbc political analyst. it looks like he has a point there in touting santorum tonight. he might win in missouri and minnesota. take a look at the polls out today on the states voting today. santorum leads with 33% of romney's 24%. gingrich and paul are close behind. in missouri, santorum leads again 45% to romney's 32%. paul far behind. romney is leading in colorado. it looks like the deal doesn't look done. >> no deal is done. the deal is not done for romney. the latest polls from gallop show him at 37%. there's a new reuters poll that shows him at 29%. in certain respec

i had been sleeping in the park in zuccotti and i was actually surprised it was colder inside than outit's the hope that they will connect and get involved in the community. >> you see another person that looks like you fighting this fight and taking action that provides a tangible result that will empower them to stand up and do things just like that. >> occupy the hood is spreading quickly with organizations in more than 15 cities around the country. so we are helping you kick off super bowl weekend with a special guest joining me live in just in few minutes. cnn "newsroom," tim tebow, the denver broncos' quarterback. we'll find out whoa thinks is going to win the super bowl. [ woman ] my husband, hank, was always fun. never took life too seriously... till our son was born. that day, he bought life insurance. now there's no way i could send our boy to college without it. if there was one thing i could say to hank, it'd be "thank you." you're welcome. hey, hank. [ male announcer ] life insurance you can use while you're still living. you are one lucky lady. mm-hmm. [ male announcer ]