the attempted eviction of zuccotti park in october and then subsequently on october fifteenth the absolute explosion of the movement across the world tokyo rome everywhere times square got shut down and then we would go into the real backlash you know scott olsen being shot in the face in oakland and sent into intensive care the break ups of a lot of the encampments and then the what life has been like post occupation with i think a lot of foreclosure resistance and things like that i think to just seeing that in fact is not dead in this country has been pretty inspiring to a lot of people to witness this does continue and contributor for truthout that org thanks. so what has changed since the occupy wall street movement began for starters the conversation we talk in deaths now about wealth inequality in america the huge gap between the haves and the have nots so the systematic problems mean the system is broken that perhaps other ones should be looked at but are to correspond to ramon takes a look at the increasing popularity of socialism among america's young people. what obama is a soci

and this is the scene at lower manhattan and police at zuccotti park, arresting occupiers. park is temporarily close and anna, have you been able to learn some details with the alleged crimes. >> reporter: yeah, we're really kind of watching for it all to happen again. the really, according to members of the occupy wall street, the group will be reconvening tonight at eight o'clock and near zuccotti parks the they were kicked out again, on the six month anniversary and police entered the park just after 11:30 p.m. when the park owner asked the n.y.p.d. for help and officers told protesters to leave and some didn't and were arrested. and charged with trespassing and disorderly conduct and some face more serious charges of attempted robbery, sex abuse and assault. this as the tents were put up and sleeping bags rolled out which is against park rules, but they say that's not true and contend it's the police who are breaking law locking them out of the park and pushing and hitting them with batons and in some cases they say grabbing people by the throat. 73 people were arrested

from what i saw i spent an awful lot of time down in zuccotti park and covering this in in across new york and what i saw was people who were previously disparate and thinking what they think coming into one place rather than people who haven't been involved in politics before suddenly rising up against the status quo i think you're w t o protestors and your environmentalists and your radicals all came and sat in one place i don't think people came out of their houses and said now i must do something about this as they did in say the civil rights movement ok danny what do you think about that. well first of all mike check thank you for having me on it look you know of course there's been a big change in the conversation at least in the media and in many of the sectors of our society just i think yes they are recorded that wall street firms are admitting at least in a recent survey that their p.r. that their image is now terrible thanks to the assaults on the criticisms by occupy wall street six months ago the congress was discussing deficits and cutting all sorts of programs there was

every month you tell us first what it was like over the weekend at zuccotti park well my understanding is that some eighty individuals were arrested on saturday night in what was quite obviously a siege. and so we're now we're now having that celebration everything for us is is a celebration so we go to the courts will celebrate there these are these are achievements these are people who are committing their bodies to to a cause and their safety and their futures and all these other things that are sort of leveraged against us. now along with along with the hundreds of protesters who came out once again you're saying there were there were just tons of police there what was the reasoning given for from us these arrests. the language that the police in the city oftentimes use is the language of cleanliness so that the park needs to be cleaned we see this this is something that's the norm throughout the city for years and something called the clean halls policy and we see this most acutely in public housing where citizens really don't have first and fourth amendment rights they're not all

protests did all start back on september seventeenth to celebrate a couple hundred people gathered at zuccotti park in new york city to remind people that the passion and the anger are over economic and political injustice has not subsided in attendance over the weekend occupy wall street activists sarah mason as well as activist all these and they are joining us in our new york studios goldie let me start with you just give us a sense of what this rally over the weekend was like in terms of protesters is this a beginning of a comeback. definitely yeah we're we're back but it was six month anniversary so we all we've always we've always been here always been having meetings indoors and off campus so it's you know right after the first month of occupation but a six month celebration in the weather was great it was definitely our duty to come out in full force and we had a thousand plus there saturday and it was an amazing time until half as many n.y.p.d. came about five hundred n.y.p.d. came just wrote us out of the park. let me and let me go to you know let me mention though as there was actually t

the police came into zuccotti park late night and kicked a bunch of people out. you know well the rest were frankly typical of the n.y.p.d. track record when it comes to this movement. the n.y.p.d. doesn't really in my view seem to care much about the first amendment. or pretty much the press anything like that so i i really would like to hear michael bloomberg and commissioner ray kelly us explanation for how they treated the protesters on saturday so you did see more and more of the same action in terms of. peaceful protesters being arrested absolutely absolutely. they were technically as far as i could tell weren't breaking any of the rules or restrictions that were and place of the park at the time and yet the very case came up so the police went in. you know numerous protesters were brutalized it was it was not a pretty sight so what were the police saying what was their reasoning that they gave this time around. i don't entirely clear to be honest. and you know i'm not exactly sure actually that's ok i know though i'm not sure exactly how many people set up

he attempted eviction of zuccotti park in october and then subsequently on october fifteenth the absolute explosion of the movement across the world tokyo rome everywhere times square got shut down and then we would go into the real backlash you know scott olsen being shot in the face in oakland and sent into intensive care the break ups of a lot of the encampments and then. what life has been like post.

hundreds of protesters returned to zuccotti park near wall street. they were there to mark the six-month anniversary of the occupy movement. the protesters were arrested after police closed that park after 11:30 in the evening. officers say protesters also started to set up tents there. >>> several occupy protesters fed up with what they say is inaction by the oakland police are now suing a motorist who allegedly hit them. the scene was last november in downtown oakland when a protester blocked a car while the occupy protesters crossed an intersection. one man hit the car's hood with his hands before the driver accelerated hitting him and another demonstrator. both suffered non-life-threatening injuries. the driver was questioned and eventually let go. police are expected to turn the case over to county prosecutors. >>> and we still have more ahead for you on "today in the bay." coming up -- >> i think i've got a car seat, what else do they need? and it's just -- it just like exploded. >> a san jose single mother says strangers are stepping forward to

i sympathize somewhat with the young folks evicted from zuccotti park. whatever these distribution the crusaders clamored for the from the 1% of the rich pales in significance to comparison to the massive and unjust distribution now going on among the generation. the sovereign debt crisis not liberal democracy as such under the welfare state model. clear. just think of how many ago, we're touted europe in the european welfare state as the model for america. invoke europe in a positive vein unless it's to describe a lovely dinner on some ngo's dime and yet, in president obama's blueprint for the future the great challenge of our time barely makes an appearance being mentioned in a couple of lines, the paltry savings of $1 trillion which is mostly fictitious anyhow. the debt crisis not central to obama now, and it will likely not be central to him in the future. in fact, while obama's speech was covered in the press mostly for its analysis of the issue of growing income inequality and diminishing economic mobility, the real news as i see it in this speech

message comes after 73 people were arrested for returning to zuccotti park to mark the 6th month anniversary of the occupy protests this weekend. >>> time is 6:47. in consumer news, the national average price for a gallon of gasoline rose again this weekend. prices rose to 3.84. that's now only about 7% below the record high of 4.11 back in july of 2008. in 7 states, the prices are already more than $4 a gallon. the spike in prices led to speculation that the u.s. and britain may release strategic oil reserves in the next few months in order to help boost the supplies and lower crude prices. the white house has denied this. >>> and in the wake of the pump increase, bp reported a unit trip and system shut down at the more than 400,000 barrel per day whiting indiana refinery. it's located in the northwest part of the state and the incident took place sunday afternoon. authorities say it led to nitrous objection side sulfur dioxide and there's no -- emigs and there's no word how it could affect gas price also. >>> and a town secured a new record with the help from some turtles. teenage mutant n

this past weekend marked the six-month anniversary of the occupy wall street movement at zuccotti park. police clashed with hundreds of demonstrators who returned to the park saturday to mark the anniversary. police detained at least 70 people during the protest. >>> tonight culpeper county residents will discuss a possible foigz remove the county sheriff. in 60s, sheriff michael jenkins helped put michael hash behind bars for murder. hash was reliefd from jail last week after a federal judge accused police and prosecutors of what he called outrageous misconduct. the police and prosecutors in the case are accused of concealing a plea deal with another man accused in the murder. they were also accused of not revealing failed polygraph tests and lying about an informant's role. yesterday sheriff jenkins denied all wrongdoing. >> as soon as it is allowed, i will answer your questions, i'll give details. if possible, i'll even show the recorded video interrogations from the investigation and make those public to you in a town hall meeting. you can see what i did for yourself. >> the county

>> reporter: the occupy movement says it is not backing down, and although the reoccupation of zuccotti parkd they are trying to set up camp in another location, this one manhattan's union scare. a statement by the group says and i quote, squash us in one park we will reappear in another. jon: that guy is acting so surprised that they got pushed back by the police, they knew it was coming, didn't they. >> reporter: police told them you cannot set up any type of camp and the protestors intentionally disobeyed and that is when the police decided to move n. they had ample warning about the consequences of what they were doing, jon. jon: david lee miller. david, thank you. jenna: gas prices are up for the 10th consecutive day. the average price for gallon is $3.84. there is a whole lot on the campaign trial from both sides about gas prices. how much do those prices at the pump actually come into play in an election? we have the presidential historian and professor of history at rice university. historically speaking, doug, how do gas prices really sway or not sway voters? >> well it sways voters

the tensions have been high since the arrest of 74 protesters at zuccotti park last weekend.the sixth month anniversary of the occupy wall street movement. we're back with more in a couple of minutes. here is a look at wall street. a half-hour into trading. we are down 58. . we will be right back. >>darya: in morgan hill, police are still looking for the team meets girl that has been missing since friday morning.

protesters have been at the new location since saturday when a police raid forced them out of zuccotti park hardcore activists have been calling for more people to swell their ranks they've also been demanding the resignation of new york's police commissioner over what they call his use of brutal tactics against the movement. a seven point four magnitude quake has hit southern mexico at least eleven people were injured and hundreds of buildings damaged or destroyed in mexico city a pedestrian bridge collapsed crushing the minibus and downing telephone and power lines quakes hit mexico every few years the strongest was in one thousand nine hundred five which killed at least ten thousand. finally in this news block it's been more than a year since the start of the uprisings across the middle east and more protesters and initially rallied under banners of democracy may now find the arab spring has curtailed rather than broaden their liberties or he's next on a boy who reports from beirut. no shortcuts the current mission buckman been viru it stretches for over seven kilometers giving exercises

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arrested activists moved to the square after they were forced to leave their previous base at zuccotti park they're demanding the resignation of the city's police chief what they call brutal tactics against the occupies. rebels in mali have appeared on state television saying they've taken control of the west african country they've announced a nationwide curfew and have suspended the constitution the troops staged a mutiny on wednesday taking over a state broadcaster and attacking the presidential palace soldiers around three of the government's handling of a separatist rebellion in the north of the country. colombian troops of killed thirty nine rebels in operations over the past two days the defense minister described it as the biggest blow against the revolutionary armed forces of colombia in the past five years for it killed eleven soldiers in the area just a few days earlier the colombian government says the rebels are involved in cocaine smuggling arms trafficking and the manufacturing of bombs. portugal has been brought to all halt by a twenty four hour general strike a subway and f

protesters have been at the new location since saturday when a police raid forced them out of zuccotti park hardcore activists have been calling for more people to swell the ranks but also demanding the resignation of new york's police commissioner over what they call his use of brutal tactics against their movement and you were. a seven point four magnitude earthquake has hit southern mexico at least eleven people were injured and hundreds of buildings damaged or destroyed in mexico city a pedestrian bridge collapsed crushing a new bus and down in telephone and how low volume quakes hit mexico every few years the strongest in one hundred eighty five that killed at least ten thousand people. delarue says come under sharp criticism for executing two men found guilty of a deadly terror attack in the capital minsk he was ready to adopt new sanctions and issue a resolution against the country the metro bombing in the capital in april last year left its thousand dead and injured more than three hundred two men found guilty of carrying out the attack were executed by firing squad last week presid

premises protesters have occupied the camp since saturday after a police raid forced them out of zuccotti park the activists were continuing to protest against corporate greed which began in new york last year. doctors on staff at greece's public hospitals are walking away from their jobs of a three hour period protest against austerity measures and paid in ways that physicians are demanding overtime salaries which they say they haven't been paid for for months the country is in its fifth year of recession and has made several cuts to its health care spending this year earlier today greece's parliament approved a second international bailout giving the country an additional one hundred thirty billion euros in rescue lines. at least five students have been wounded during clashes with police in the colombian city of tonga the dispute happened during a demonstration marking the twenty fifth anniversary of the death of a student leader the injuries occurred when two people fell while carrying explosives what triggered the clashes though remains unknown. japan it may deploy land and sea based inter

soon protesters have been at the new location since saturday when a police raid forced them from zuccotti park hardcore activists say they now have to start from scratch and are calling for more people to swell the ranks they're also demanding the resignation of the city's police commissioner over what they call his brutal use of tactics against their will for. seven point two magnitude quake has hit southern mexico at least eleven people have been injured hundreds of buildings damaged or destroyed in mexico city a pedestrian bridge collapsed crushing immediate bus and downing telephone power lines quakes hit mexico every few years the strongest in one thousand nine hundred that killed at least ten thousand people valerie's has come under sharp criticism for executing two men found guilty of a deadly terror attack in the capital minsk the e.u. was preparing to adopt new sanctions and issue a resolution against the country but metro bombing in the capital in april last year left the dead and more than three hundred injured two men found guilty of carrying out the attack were executed by firing

here i category can call it you reject that that way of seeing what's happening i actually wasn't zuccotti park for six weeks i slept in my car and i went to occupy wall street it's true i have had. i don't know what you want to call progressive views for many years but. there are people who have come out of their houses there are people that said oh my gosh i felt hopeless and now i don't feel hopeless there were there were activists like me who felt hopeless and said oh my god thank god thank god finally finally they've come and come together and have decided to give voice it's true there were a lot of activists that all came together many different groups who came who also came but by and large the activists that i saw the main organizers of occupy wall street they're all twenty five years old they're all twenty five years old when he thinks he's news they well i got it that's just the way i i care about ok what it is my problem let me ask you let me have such a problem with your view ok go ahead danny. grant go ahead you one reason i'm saying the problem i have with with. my problem i have

arrested activists moved to the square after they were forced to leave their previous location of zuccotti park they're demanding the resignation of the city's police commissioner for what they call tactics against the occupiers. mali rebels who appeared on state television saying they've seized control of the west african country they announce a nationwide curfew and suspended the constitution troops staged a mutiny wednesday taking over a state broadcaster and attacking the presidential palace soldiers are angry at the government's handling of a separatist rebellion in the north the. troops say they've killed thirty nine rebels in operations over the last two days the defense minister called it the biggest blow against the fark war revolutionary armed forces of colombia in the last five years. fark had killed eleven soldiers in the area a few days earlier the colombian government says rebels are involved in cocaine smuggling arms trafficking and making bombs. portugal has been ground to all hope by a twenty four hour general strike subway and ferry service is disrupted public offices and scho

the demonstrators have been at the location since saturday when a police raid forced them from zuccotti park hard core activists have been calling for more people to swell their ranks they've also been demanding the resignation of the city's police commissioner over what they call his use of brutal tactics against them with. a seven point four magnitude earthquake has hit southern mexico at least eleven people have been injured and hundreds of buildings damaged or destroyed in mexico city a pedestrian bridge collapsed crushing a minibus in the downing telephone and power lines quakes to hit mexico every few years back nine hundred eighty five that was the strongest one killed at least ten thousand. but i won't cite r.t. dot com is a great source of news blogs and videos are some of the stories we've got lined up for you there today for example you paid student to stand trial for posting what's being called a grossly offensive message about the afghan war on his facebook page. and drug users in russia might face up to two years in jail with your story stuck up a battle against addicts that fu

were met by police only six month anniversary of occupy wall street activists try to reoccupy zuccotti park with the movement began dozens have been arrested according to reports hundreds took part in love to march through their hands financial district the focal point of their frustrations during the last six months majority of arrests of could when protesters put up a tent which violates park rules. and the occupy movement along with other protests have highlighted certain constitutional rights in the u.s. and elsewhere though western nations are being quick to criticize countries who don't share the same democratic views they're not necessarily leading by example when it comes to human rights as reporter explains the strong arm of the law is leading some to wonder if they're preaching hypocrisy instead of democracy. the u.s. and its european allies have many things in common security politics and a familiar practice of soldiering outsiders about the pillars of democracy and wanting people have a universal right to assembly and free speech this is the precincts human rights democracy and

last six months the majority of arrests occurred when activists put up a tent trying to reoccupy zuccotti park you know my movement along with other protests have highlighted certain constitutional rights in the u.s. and elsewhere the western nations have been quick to criticize countries who don't share their same democratic views and not necessarily leading by example when it comes to human rights ignoring former explains the strong arm of the law is leading some to wonder if they're preaching prosy instead of democracy. the u.s. and its european allies have many things in common security politics and a familiar practice that's called an outsiders about the pillars of democracy iranian people have a universal right to assembly and free speech this is the precincts approach and human rights democracy is a big step. for democracy rule of law human rights these are our values and we believe these must be respected by the egyptian authorities in russia we've seen crackdowns on civil society groups as western leaders will add their finger around the world. wouldn't be times and brutal force have

since it made its stand against corporate greed and injustice in america police moved in to clear zuccotti park after activists have refused to stop preaching tents and leave. afghanistan's finance minister has told r.t. that it's hard to assess just how much damage and devastation the war has brought to his country and its people that interview is coming up now right here on r.t. . it. mr zak afghanistan's finest minister it's great to have you with us sir glad to be with you so it's been a decade since afghanistan has become the front stage for the war on terror led by the united states how much it costs a nation the war has cost the nation a lot it's not i don't think you can put a dollar figure on this and if you three hundred billion plus hundred billion three hundred billion is still here in. the different solution of what are called beyond economics. diversity is the public project often mission and diversity it's the state institutions putting those together. it is not easy ten years ago after the taliban when we come back nothing existed it's not just me infrastructure but what the gov

the demonstrators have been at the location since saturday when a police raid forced them from zuccotti park hardcore activists have been calling for more people to swell their ranks but also been demanding the resignation of the city's police commissioner what they call his use of brutal tactics against their ongoing movement. a seven point four magnitude earthquake has hit southern mexico at least eleven people have been injured and hundreds of buildings damaged or destroyed in the mexico city a pedestrian bridge collapsed crushing many bass and downing telephone and power lines. mexico every few years or the strongest was back in one thousand nine hundred eighty five i killed at least ten thousand. al-qaeda has claimed responsibility for tuesday's series of deadly blasts all across iraq a terrorist group claims it proves how weak government security is just ahead of next week's arab league summit in baghdad a total of eight iraqi cities were attacked forty six killed over two hundred injured in the violence comes nine years after the u.s. led invasion of a country antiwar activist michael

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barricaded the premises just as of occupy the camps and saturday after a police raid forced them out of zuccotti park to discontinue the protest against corporate greed which began in new york last year. doctors and staff it greases public hospitals are walking away from their jobs for three hour periods in protest against austerity measures unpaid allays positions of the overtime salaries which they say hadn't been paid for for months countries in its fifth year of recession has made several cuts to its health care spending this year earlier today greece's parliament approved a second international bailout giving the country an additional one hundred thirty billion euros in rescue plans. suspected members of the radical islam a sect call have been killed after attacking a town in northern nigeria and suspects were shot dead by troops after setting fire to a bank and attacking a police station in the town of clinton one or two other members were arrested after attempting to make their escape. over three hundred deaths this year alone as they fight to establish a real law throughout the country. but t

from zuccotti park to her in this police brutality they wound up at union square and so that they're ok so as they as they renew themselves or reinvent themselves or really revive or i forget the word you used was is good what is the new you have there you go what is the newly renewed occupy wall street going to look like and how are they going to be behaving. it's going to be more radical i mean i think it's going to call for different stuff from what you just mentioned the prevailing chance that happens most frequently now and from the most number of people which didn't used to be so goes on t m t least now anti-capitalism isn't a very specific ideology but it it's this it is a definite rejection of the reigning ideology and i think that it dovetails nicely with your history lesson there because what's important to note about the new deal is that it took place at a time it wasn't just roosevelt who did it although he did say i welcome the bankers hatred the reason he said that is because he was pandering to a really enraged leftist movement i mean they were there were hundreds of t

. >>> in new york city 14 protesters were arrested in two separate occupy protests from zuccotti park. that protest was aimed against police brutality. and it came a day after the nypd announced it was firing an undercover officer who was involved in a high-profile case in which police shot and killed an unarmed black man. >>> there was a close call for the six astronaut as board the international space station. debris from an old russian rocket nearly hit the installation. the astronauts went to their escape capsules and we're prepared to rocket back to earth if there was a collision. >>> a new effort is underway to require all california medical marijuana users to apply for a county-issued identification card. the bill was introduced by assembly woman compass of san josi and it would require the setting up of a 24-hour toll- free line where law enforcement officers could have the immediate ability to verify the medical marijuana cards, california has a voluntary registry and of last june there were 9,000 registrants. palo alto-based printest is making - history. forbes magazine says

premises protesters have occupied the camp since saturday after a police raid forced them out of zuccotti park activists continue to protest against corporate greed which began in new york nastia. doctors and staff in greece's public hospitals are walking away from their jobs the three hour periods in protest against austerity measures and pay delays positions in the morning overtime salaries which they say have been paid for for months countries in its fifth year of recession has made several cuts to its health care spending this year well earlier today greece's parliament approved a second international bailout giving the country an additional one hundred thirty billion euros in rescue lives. stay in the money world now let's get the latest from the business world and how is wall street there's a new yorker memory also mixed among folks influencing is the price of oil as we've been hearing all the global economy could be thrown back into recession if the dispute over iran's nuclear program isn't resolved one expert told us the critical level is one hundred fifty dollars per barrel. if we sta

and they're back on the streets rabble rousing and waving placards and having sex and tents in zuccotti park what tactics can anybody in the me of it mention pitchforks metaphorically we do on this show as well deity but there hasn't been any traction on that whatsoever i mean while on the top one percent they finance wars they go into foreign countries they commit heinous acts of dismemberment murder and mayhem and they spend a lot of money right so that if you see any i could tell none of the pain spending goes a better fact it goes for example in the ryan plan the other day yesterday it goes absolutely untouched it's true it's paper to become a country and the people don't get it and they're still partisan and are still loyal to either the warfare state or the you know welfare state and so things will continue to deteriorate i don't know exactly next wouldn't you know when when we reach a threshold a critical mass in which the people just stop but you know it was the stuff you don't just keep it piles up to it's such a way to go to think that the. there's going to be a collapse of some so