a biography of elmo zumwalt. ed a an miller and chief of operations.e commanded the navy in vietnam and was promoted to be chief of naval operations and was regarded by some as the most dynamic naval officer ever, and by others as complete renegade. he was the man who really integrated the navy against the old guard. one of the most ray sis branches of the u.s. military, and he integrated and it brought women in and did everything else. and highly regarded as a great hero. and i think the triumph here -- actually it's interesting because the author, larry burman, first met admiral zumwalt when he was interviewing him for a c-span series on vietnam, because he was influential about vietnam and they became simpatico about this, and when zumwalt retire, larry approached him about doing the eye boggraph. and the papers were unsealed and we're coming out with it in the fall. and a footnote is a year from now one of the destroyers, the new model destroyers will be named of zumwalt and launch it. >> host: we've been talking to one of the editors at harper kol