trip, of course, the most discussed is your recent meetings of the holy patriarch and cardinal mateo zupe. of course, you were also present at this meeting, but there was so much noise, including secular media, around this name and surname of matteosu. wait, whoever is far from the church department knows exactly who they are talking about. well, as it seems to you, it was a lot of ado about nothing. or really. she was worth meeting. well, before you start answering this question. i still have to separate the two. uh, let's say parallel planes. yes, because we must remember that the vatican on the one hand is a state with all the necessary attributes of the state, therefore it has its own foreign policy and its relations, including with the russian federation as a state on the other hand, there are inter-church relations between the russian orthodox church and the roman catholic church, and everything related to the trip of cardinal matteosupius to both moscow and kiev took place the day before, these trips went along the line of relations between the holy see and the state of the russian