the penalties only apply to those who knowingly or willingly don't comply, if i'm pharmaceuticals in zuric, we want to make sure the familiarity with the program exist. i support the ordinance, but i would like to look at the details so we increase its chance of success. speaker: thank you. supervisor breed. speaker: thank you, supervisor christensen for your comments to the chair. i wanted to remind the public that this is -- we won't reinvent the wheel. the pilot program already exists. we have systems in play that will only expand the program. this will give us an opportunity to expand the program and when i met with retailers and also hospitals, they definitely have expressed interest in doing and participating in this program and in fact, for example, kaiser has already moved in the direction of setting up a system within their pharmacies and i think that it won't be as difficult to implement this program based on the aggressive timeline because again, there's already systems in play that will help us to move this along quickly but i also don't think the department of environment is g