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ONLY PLANET WITH LIFE IN THE UNIVERSE
WOULD BE INEXCUSABLY
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BIGHEADED OF US. THANKS TO ALL
OF YOU FOR BEING
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PART OF MY PROGRAM THIS WEEK. I
WILL SEE YOU NEXT WEEK.
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HEY, GOOD MORNING. I'M BRIAN STELTER.
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THIS IS "RELIABLE SOURCES," OUR
WEEKLY LOOK AT THE STORY BEHIND
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THE STORY, OF HOW NEWS AND POP
CULTURE REALLY GET MADE.
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WE'RE COMING TO YOUR LIVE FROM
CNN'S LOS ANGELES BUREAU TODAY
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WITH FRESH REPORTING ON THIS WEEK'S
HUGE FACEBOOK CONTROVERSY
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AND AN INTERVIEW WITH NATE SILVER.
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HE'S FAMOUS MORE CORRECTLY FORECASTING
SO MANY ELECTIONS.
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NOW SILVER IS BEING ASKED WHY HE
FAILED TO SEE DONALD TRUMP
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COMING. THAT'S AHEAD THIS HOUR.
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PLUS, DID YOU HEAR ABOUT THIS?
THE HOLLYWOOD REPORTER BANNED
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FROM A WOODY ALLEN PRESS EVENT
AFTER PUBLISHING THIS SCATHING
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COLUMN ABOUT ALLEN'S ALLEGED ACTS
OF SEXUAL ABUSE.
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TOP EDITOR JANICE MIN IS HERE TO
TAKE US BEHIND THE SCENES.
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AND LATER, A VERY SPECIAL INTERVIEW
WITH THE ONE, THE ONLY
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LARRY KING. BUT UP FIRST, A QUESTION
WE ALL
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NEED TO BE ASKING THIS ELECTION
SEASON.
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ARE MEMBERS OF THE NEWS MEDIA HELPING
TO PRODUCE THE TRUMP
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SHOW? AND IS IT WARPING OUR DEMOCRATIC
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PROCESS? IT IS EASY, MAYBE WAY
TOO EASY,
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TO RELY ON REALITY TV TROEPS TO
DESCRIBE THIS ELECTION.
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EVEN ONE OF TRUMP'S TOP AIDE'S
DID IT ON "HARDBALL" THE OTHER
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DAY. HE WAS TALKING ABOUT THE
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CONVENTION. I THOUGHT THIS QUOTE
WAS
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REVEALING. DO YOU HAVE MOVIES?
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WE'RE GOING TO PUT A PROGRAM TOGETHER.
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IT'S NOT PUT TOGETHER YET. A REALITY
SHOW OF SOME KIND?
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THIS IS THE ULTIMATE REALITY SHOW.
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IT'S THE PRESIDENCY OF THE UNITED
STATES.
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THE ULTIMATE REALITY SHOW. I GUESS
EVEN BIGGER THAN "THE
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APPRENTICE." THIS SHOW IS AIRI
INING ON EVER
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NEWS CHANNEL, HAPPENING AFTERNOON
EVERY
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WEBSITE. I KNOW YOU AT HOME HAVE
MIXED
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REVIEWS. WATCH THIS.
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OUR NBC TEAM IS STAKING OUT TODAY'S
MEETING.
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JUST ONE HOUR AWAY. DONALD TRUMP
AND PAUL RYAN
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MEETING IN A FEW MINUTES. HERE
WE GO, EVERYBODY.
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TRUMP HAS JUST ARRIVED. WE'RE GOING
TO TAKE YOU THERE
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LIVE. YOU SEE MR. TRUMP.
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WE KNOW PAUL RYAN IS IN THE BUILDING.
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WE KNOW DONALD TRUMP IS IN THE
BUILDING PRESUMABLY.
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THEY'RE IN THE SAME ROOM TOGETHER.
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THAT MEETING JUST WRAPPED. KATY
TUR, WHAT CAN YOU TELL US?
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BASICALLY JUST THAT RIGHT NOW.
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THE MEETING HAS WRAPPED UP. THE
SECOND MEETING DONALD
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TRUMP IS HAVING HAS ENDED. THOSE
CHILDREN WERE NOT PART OF
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THAT HAVE MEETING. YEAH, IT WAS
GOOD TV AT
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POINTS, BUT WAS IT GOOD JOURNALISM?
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WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT HOW EVERY
DAY THE STORY LINES OF THE SHOW
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GET WILDER AND CRAZIER. IT REALLY
IS THE KIND OF STUFF
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YOU SEE ON REALITY TV. IN FACT,
ANOTHER REALITY TV STAR
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WAS RECENTLY RECRUITED TO CHALLENGE
TRUMP.
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MARK CUBAN FROM "SHARK TANK." I
TALKED TO HIM ABOUT THAT LAST
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NIGHT. I'LL SHOW YOU WHAT HE SAID
IN A
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MOMENT. TO LAY IT OUT HERE, HOW
SHOULD
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JOURNALISTS HANDLE THIS FUSING
OF POLITICS AND ENTERTAINMENT?
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ARE WE RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS REALITY
SHOW NARRATIVE, AND ARE
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WE CAPABLE OF RESISTING IT? LET'S
ASK OUR PANEL OF MEDIA
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INSIDERS, STARTING WITH LONG-TIME
POLITICAL ANALYST JEFF
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GREENFIELD. ALSO, DYLAN BYERS AND
BRIAN
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LOWERY, CNN'S SENIOR WRITER FROM
MEDIA.
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THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE. JEFF,
LET ME GO TO YOU FIRST.
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DO YOU THINK THIS IS THE INEVITABLE
CONCLUSION OF THE
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MELDING OF TV AND POLITICS? GO
BACK TO THE FIRST TELEVISED
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DEBATES AND HOW THAT CREATED A
NARRATIVE.
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THE FIRST THING I HAVE TO SAY IS
LOOKING AT THAT
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HYPERVENTILATION, JON STEWART MUST
BE SORRY HE GAVE UP HIS
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DAILY SHOW BECAUSE HE WAS AN EXPERT
IN PIERCING THAT.
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TO YOUR POINT, AS SOON AS THE FIRST
DEBATE HAPPENED WITH 24
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MILLION VIEWERS, EVERY NEWS EXECUTIVE,
YOU KNOW, LIKE THE
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OLD CARTOONS SAW DOLLAR SIGNS IN
THEIR EYES.
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THERE WAS A HUGE AUDIENCE PARTLY
BECAUSE OF "THE APPRENTICE,"
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PARTLY BECAUSE TRUMP WAS SO DIFFERENT
FROM NORMAL
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POLITICIANS. WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT
THE MEDIA,
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IT'S WAY TOO BROAD. THERE WERE
SHARP CRITICISMS OF
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TRUMP FROM THE BEGINNING. THERE
WERE OTHERS WHO JUST
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ROLLED OVER AND LET HIM HAVE HIS
WAY.
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WITHOUT THE POLITICAL DISCONTENT,
PARTICULARLY WITHIN
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THE REPUBLICAN BASE, ALL THE REALITY
TELEVISION IN THE WORLD
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WOULDN'T HAVE MADE A DIFFERENCE.
IT HELPED.
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IT WAS A FUEL. BUT THE FUNDAMENTAL
PART OF THIS
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FIRE WAS LIT BY THE DISCONTENT
AMONG LARGE NUMBERS OF THE
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REPUBLICAN PARTY WITH HOW THEIR
LIVES WERE GOING AND HOW THEIR
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PARTY WAS HANDLING THAT. LET ME
GO TO BRIAN LOWERY ON
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THIS. YOU'VE BEEN COVERING THE
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TELEVISION BUSINESS FOR DECADES.
YOU COVERED "THE APPRENTICE"
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WHEN DONALD TRUMP WAS ON. NOW ARNOLD
SCHWARZENEGGER IS
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ABOUT TO TAKE OVER. DO YOU THINK
SOME OF THE
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COVERAGE KIND OF COMES ACROSS AS
ENTERTAINMENT?
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HAS THERE BEEN AN IRRESPONSIBLE
BLURRING OF THE LINES BETWEEN
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NEWS AND ENTERTAINMENT IN THIS
ELECTION PSYCYCLE IN PARTICULAR?
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ABSOLUTELY IT COMES ACROSS AS ENTERTAINMENT.
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THERE'S A STRONG PRECEDENT FOR
IT.
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I THINK THE MEDIA CERTAINLY SHOULD
BE DOING SOME SOUL
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SEARCHING ABOUT THIS. YET --
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ABOUT WHAT IN PARTICULAR? ABOUT
THE NOTION OF COVERING
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IT AS A REALITY SHOW. TO BE HONEST,
WHEN THE CAMPAIGN
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IS BEING CONDUCTED VERY MUCH LIKE
A REALITY SHOW, IT'S NOT
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SURPRISING OR NECESSARILY INAPPROPRIATE
THAT IT WOULD BE
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COVERED THAT WAY. YOU BRING UP
THE IDEA IT'S
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VERY DIFFERENT FROM ANY OTHER CAMPAIGN
WE'VE SEEN.
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I THINK THIS WHOLE ISSUE OF A FAKE
SPOKESMAN IS AN EXAMPLE.
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DYLAN, YOU WERE RIGHT ABOUT THIS
ON FRIDAY.
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PRETTY CLEARLY TRUMP IS THE ONE
ON THE PHONE.
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WE'RE HEARING PEOPLE NOW SAY THAT
MAYBE IT WAS MADE UP, THAT
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HE WAS IMPERSONATED, BUT THERE'S
NO EVIDENCE OF THAT.
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THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF A REALITY
SHOW TYPE BEHAVIOR.
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YEAH, NO, TOTALLY. IT'S HIM MANIPULATING
THE MOO ED
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YA, AND IT'S HIM TRYING TO CALL
THE SHOTS AT EVERY STAGE OF THIS
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CAMPAIGN. YOU KNOW, LOOK, I THINK
JEFF
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MADE A COUPLE REALLY GOOD POINTS,
ONE OF WHICH IS WE HAVE
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TO THINK ABOUT THERE ARE DIFFERENT
KINDS OF MEDIA.
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THE MOST -- I THINK THE ONE THAT'S
COVERED THIS THE MOST
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LIKE A REALITY SHOW IS TELEVISION
MEDIA.
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THERE ARE ACTUALLY PRECEDENTS GOING
BACK IN THE HISTORY OF
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PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGNS THAT HAVE
BEEN BUILDING US UP TO THIS
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POINT. GO BACK TO 1960 AND THE
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KENNEDY/NIXON DEBATES, BUT THE
RECOUNT IN FLORIDA IN 2000 WAS
A
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HUGE MEDIA MOMENT. THE OBAMA V.
HILLARY, THE SARAH
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PALIN 2008, HUGE MEDIA MOMENT.
WE HAVE BEEN BUILDING UP TO A
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POINT AT WHICH MEDIA AND POLITICS
COALESCE AND BECOME THE
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SAME THING. IF YOU LOOK BACK AT
DONALD
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TRUMP'S CAMPAIGN AND LOOK BACK
AT THE 2016 ELECTION, YOU'RE NOT
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LOOKING AT A POLITICAL CAMPAIGN
SO MUCH AS A MEDIA CAMPAIGN.
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EVERYTHING HE HAS DONE HAS BEEN
ABOUT MANIPULATING MEDIA, ABOUT
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SORT OF NAVIGATING MEDIA IN ORDER
TO --
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RIGHT, BUT WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND
THAT IN ORDER TO
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UNDERSTAND HIS CAMPAIGN. TO THAT
POINT, THERE WAS THIS
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INTERESTING STORY ON FRIDAY ABOUT
THE SHEER VOLUME OF NEWS
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COVERAGE OF TRUMP BEING A FACTOR.
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THINK ABOUT JUST WHAT HAPPENED
ON THURSDAY AND FRIDAY.
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THERE WERE A DOZEN STORY LINES
ABOUT TRUMP.
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HIS BUTLER SOUNDING LIKE A RACIST.
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TRUMP FLIP-FLOPPING ON TAXES. HIS
SEEMINGLY PLAY ACTING AS HIS
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OWN SPOKESMAN. "THE NEW YORK TIMES"
WROTE ABOUT
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THIS ON FRIDAY. HOW MUCH BAD PRESS
DOES IT TAKE
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TO COST DONALD TRUMP A NEWS CYCLE?
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GABRIEL CONCLUDED THAT TRUMP WON.
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THE CLINTON CAMPAIGN PRESS SECRETARY
TOOK EXCEPTION TO
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THIS. HE TWEETED AT ME AND WROTE
THIS.
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MARK US DOWN AS FEELING CONFIDENT
TRUMP DID NOT WIN THE
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DAY. IT'S NIHILIST TO EQUATE LYING
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NONSTOP WITH WINNING. DON'T YOU
THINK THERE'S SPLG TO
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THIS IDEA THAT TRUMP SATURATES
THE NEWS WORLD?
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HE HAS SO MANY STORY LINES GOING
ON SIMULTANEOUSLY.
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IF SOMETHING NEGATIVE IS GOING
ON, HE CREATES A NEW STORY LINE.
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DON'T WE HAVE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT
MAYBE THE CLINTON CAMPAIGN
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FACES A PROBLEM BECAUSE TRUMP IS
PLAYING THIS DIFFERENT KIND OF
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MEDIA GAME? YEAH, AND FOR ME, THE
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FUNDAMENTAL QUESTION HERE IS ARE
ALL OF THE ASSUMPTIONS PEOPLE
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LIKE ME HAVE MADE ABOUT THIS PROCESS
SOMEHOW BEEN RENDERED
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INOPERATIVE? THAT IS, STARTING
WITH TRUMP'S
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FIRST COMMENT ABOUT JOHN MCCAIN
WAY BACK LAST SPRING OR SUMMER
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WHERE A LOT OF US ASSUMED, WELL,
THAT'S THE JOE MCCARTHY MOMENT.
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HE'S DOOMED. THERE'S SOMETHING.
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AND THIS IS WHAT I SAID EARLIER.
THERE'S SOMETHING ABOUT HOW
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TRUMP SUPPORTERS RESPOND TO THIS
WHERE THE QUESTION HAS BEEN
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ASKED IS, WHAT WOULD IT TAKE FOR
THEM TO SAY, GEE, MAYBE I'M
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WRONG. WE MAY BE IN A SITUATION
THAT
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HAS CHANGED EVERY RULE ABOUT HOW
WE THINK THE PRESS WORKS AND
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WHAT THE IMPACT THE PRESS COVERAGE
-- I MEAN, CRITICAL
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PRESS COVERAGE, IS. DO YOU THINK
THE RULES WERE,
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IN EFFECT, SO TO SPEAK, IN 2008,
OR WERE THE RULES NEVER REALLY
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IN EFFECT AT ALL? OH, THAT'S GOING
TO RUIN MITT
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ROMNEY, THAT'S GOING TO HURT JAN
MCCAIN, THAT'S GOING TO RUIN
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BARACK OBAMA. WERE THEY NEVER RULES
A THE ALL,
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JEFF? THAT'S THE POINT.
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IN THE PAST, CRITICAL STORIES HAVE
HAD CRITICAL IMPACT.
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SO THIS NOTION THAT DONALD TRUMP
HAS GOT $1.9 BILLION OF FREE
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PUBLICITY, IN MY VIEW, IS WAY OFF
THE MARK.
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A LOT OF THE COVERAGE, EVEN EARLY,
WAS HIGHLY CRITICAL, THE
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KIND OF COVERAGE THAT WOULD HAVE
UPENDED ANY OTHER CAMPAIGN.
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ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT 500 MEDIA
CONFERENCES WILL BE ASKING
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IN THE YEARS TO COME, IT'S FULL
EMPLOYMENT FOR FOLKS LIKE YOU,
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BRIAN, BELIEVE ME, IS WHAT IS DIFFERENT
ABOUT THIS YEAR THAT
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THE NORMAL IMPACT OF VERY SHARP
NEGATIVE STORIES DOES NOT SO FAR
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SEEM TO HAVE AN IMPACT. OTHER THAN
HIS HIGH
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UNFAVORABILITY RATINGS. WE'RE GOING
TO HAVE TO WAIT
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UNTIL NOVEMBER. I THINK PART OF
THE ANSWER TO
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THAT, DYLAN, IS THAT TRUMP SAYS
THE MEDIA IS DISHONEST.
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DON'T BELIEVE WHAT YOU READ. EVEN
THIS MORNING ON TWITTER HE
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WAS TELLING HIS SUPPORTERS, DO
NOT BELIEVE US.
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THIS GETS TO A KEY POINT, AND I
DON'T THINK IT'S ONE WE'VE
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SPENT ENOUGH TIME TALKING ABOUT.
THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT REALITY
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SHOWS. THERE WAS THE REPUBLICAN
PRIMARY
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REALITY SHOW. NOW THERE'S THE GENERAL
ELECTION
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REALITY SHOW. WHEN YOU'RE DEALING
WITH A
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REPUBLICAN PRIMARY AUDIENCE, YOU'RE
DEALING WITH A LOT OF
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VOTERS OUT THERE WHO HATE THE SYSTEM,
WHO HATE THE
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ESTABLISHMENT, WHO REALLY DON'T
CARE WHETHER OR NOT THE MEDIA IS
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CRITICAL OF DONALD TRUMP IN ALL
THIS COVERAGE OR SAYS HE'S LYING
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OR NOT TELLING THE TRUTH. THEY
JUST LIKE DONALD TRUMP AND
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LIKE THE SPECTACLE OF DONALD TRUMP.
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THE GENERAL ELECTION AUDIENCE IS
A MUCH DIFFERENT AUDIENCE.
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IT'S ONE WHERE YOU HAVE NEGATIVE
RATINGS AMONG WOMEN AT 70%,
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NEGATIVE RATINGS AMONG AFRICAN-AMERICANS
AND HISPANICS
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AT HIGHER NUMBERS. THOSE PEOPLE
ARE GOING TO BE
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LOOKING AT THE COVERAGE. ON A DAY
WHEN DONALD TRUMP IS
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OFFENDING THE NATION, THAT'S NOT
DONALD TRUMP WINNING THE NEWS
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CYCLE FOR THEM. THAT'S YET ANOTHER
REMINDER THAT
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THEY'RE NOT GOING TO VOTE FOR THIS
GUY.
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SPEAKING OF NEGATIVISM WITH WOMEN,
THAT'S WHY THE MEGYN
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KELLY INTERVIEW IS COMING UP. MARK
CUBAN WAS RECRUITED TO RUN
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AS A THIRD-PARTY CANDIDATE, BUT
HE SAYS, I CAN'T DO IT, IT WOULD
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HAVE BEEN FUN, BUT HE ALSO HINTS
MAYBE THERE'S A CHANCE IN THE
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FUTURE. I THINK THE TIME IS RIGHT
FOR A
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TECHNOLOGY LITERAL ENTREPRENEUR
TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT.
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THE ISSUE FOR ANY SUCH CANDIDATE
IS THAT THE PROCESS IS BROKEN.
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IT'S A CIRCUS RATHER THAN A LEARNING
PROCESS FOR ALL
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INVOLVED. SO THIS AMAZED ME, BRIAN.
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HERE'S THE REALITY TV STAR SAYING
THE POLITICAL PROCESS IS
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BROKEN. HIS POINT ABOUT THE ELECTION
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THIS TIME IS IT'S TOO LATE TO RUN
AS A THIRD PARTY, PROBABLY
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WOULDN'T WIN ANYWAY. DO YOU THINK
WE'LL SEE MARK
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CUBAN TYPE CANDIDATES IN THE FUTURE?
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I DON'T THINK YOU CAN DISCOUNT
THE PERFORMANCE QUALITY
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TRUMP HAS BROUGHT TO THIS. IT'S
ONE OF THE THINGS HE'S BEEN
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ABLE TO DO THROUGHOUT THE CAMPAIGN,
WHICH IS HE CAN SAY
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THINGS WHICH ARE OUTLANDISH BECAUSE
THAT'S REALLY A TROEP OF
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REALITY TV, WHICH IS THAT YOU PLAY
THE GAME, YOU SAY WHAT YOU
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NEED TO WIN, AND THEN EVERYBODY
CAN BE HUGS AFTER THE BOARDROOM
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AND TRIBAL COUNCIL. THAT'S REALLY
WHAT'S BEEN GOING
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ON. IF YOU SEE IT, THERE'S OFTEN
A
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PIVOT AS SOON AS SOMEONE DROPS
OUT OF THE RACE.
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I REALLY LIKED LITTLE MARCO, BUT
I WAS JUST TRYING TO BEAT HIM.
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IF YOU'VE WATCHED ENOUGH REALITY
TV, AND I'VE WATCHED MORE THAN
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IS HEALTHY OVER THE YEARS, PEOPLE
TALK ALL THE TIME ABOUT
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PLAYING THE GAME. YOU PLAY THE
GAME TO WIN.
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TRUMP IS VERY CLEARLY PLAYING THE
GAME.
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IT'S HELPFUL TO THINK ABOUT THAT
REALITY TV LANGUAGE WHEN WE
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APPLY IT TO THIS CAMPAIGN. MARK
CUBAN IS ALSO PLAYING
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THE GAME HERE. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT
MARK CUBAN
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RIGHT NOW. HE JUST BOUGHT HIMSELF
A DAY,
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MAYBE A FEW DAYS OF FREE PRESS.
JUST BAY SAYING HE'S NOT GOING
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TO RUN. THAT IS TRUE.
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HE WON'T SAY WHO WAS RECRUITING
HIM.
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PROBABLY BILL CRYSTAL. OR HIS AGENT.
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DYLAN, BRIAN, STICK AROUND IF YOU
CAN.
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JEFF, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
COMING UP, DID YOU SEE THIS
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STORY TRENDING ON FACEBOOK? AN
EXPLOSIVE STORY ALLEGING THAT
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FACEBOOK SUPPRESSED CONSERVATIVE
NEWS STORIES.
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PROOF THAT FACEBOOK HAS TOO MUCH
POWER?
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I'LL TELL YOU WHY THIS REPORT SHOULD
ALARM AND IMPACT EVERYONE
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IN MEDIA DESPITE YOUR POLITICAL
PERSUASION RIGHT AFTER THIS.
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THIS IS BRAD.
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HIS DAY OF COACHING BEGINS
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WITH KNEE PAIN, WHEN...
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HEY BRAD, WANNA TRADE THE ALL DAY
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RELIEF OF TWO ALEVE FOR SIX TYLENOL?
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WHAT'S THE CATCH? THERE'S NO CATCH.
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YOU WANT ME TO GIVE UP MY TWO ALEVE
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FOR SIX TYLENOL?
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NO.
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FOR MY KNEE PAIN,
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NOTHING BEATS MY ALEVE.
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WHAT'S THE MOST POWERFUL NAME IN
NEWS?
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YOU MIGHT SAY CNN OR FOX NEWS OR
THE AP OR THE BBC, BUT I WOULD
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SAY IT'S FACEBOOK. NOT BECAUSE
FACEBOOK DOES ANY
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ACTUAL REPORTING, BUT BECAUSE IT'S
THE SINGLE BIGGEST SOCIAL
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NETWORK ON THE PLANET. IT'S WHERE
HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS
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OF PEOPLE SEE LOTS OF LINKS TO
NEWS.
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IN FACT, FACEBOOK IS THE SINGLE
BIGGEST SOURCE OF TRAFFIC FOR
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MANY SITES. SITES EITHER THRIVE
OR WITHER
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AWAY BECAUSE OF FACEBOOK. THAT'S
WHY THIS NEXT STORY IS SO
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CONCERNING. FACEBOOK IS ON THE
DEFENSIVE
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THIS WEEK AFTER AN EXPLOSIVE REPORT
BY THE TECH BLOG DGIZMOD.
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THE TRENDING TOPICS BOX, THAT IT
WAS SOMETIMES MANIPULATED TO
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SUPPRESS CONSERVATIVE NEWS STORIES
AND INJECT OTHER NEWS
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STORIES, FOR EXAMPLE, BLACK LIVES
MATTER PROTEST NEWS.
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NOW, OTHER FORMER WORKERS DENY
THESE CLAIMS.
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IT'S IMPORTANT TO SAY THERE'S NO
PROOF AND THESE WERE ONLY
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ANONYMOUS CLAIMS. BUT THAT SINGLE
SPARK ON MONDAY
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STARTED A HUGE FIRE. BY THE END
OF THE WEEK, CEO MARK
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ZUCKERBERG HAD TO WEIGH IN. HE
WROTE A POST ABOUT THIS
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SAYING WE'VE FOUND NO EVIDENCE
THIS REPORT IS TRUE, AND IF WE
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FIND ANYTHING AGAINST OUR PRINCIPLES,
YOU HAVE MY
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COMMITMENT WE WILL TAKE ADDITIONAL
STEPS TO ADDRESS IT.
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I'M TOLD BY A SPOKESMAN AT FACEBOOK
THAT GLENN BECK HAS
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BEEN INVITED TO A MEETING WITH
ZUCKERBERG, OTHERS AS WELL,
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CONSERVATIVE THOUGHT LEADERS WHO
WILL BE MEETING WITH THE CEO.
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LET'S GO BACK TO WHAT ZUCKERBERG
SAID.
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HE SAID PRINCIPLES. WHAT ARE FACEBOOK'S
NEWS
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PRINCIPLES? HOW CAN WE TRUST IT
TO WIELD
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THAT POWER RESPONSIBLY? MY NEXT
TWO GUESTS HAVE SOME
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ANSWERS TO THAT. KELLY MCBRIDE
IS AT THE POINTER
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INSTITUTE. MOLLY HEMINGWAY IS FROM
"THE
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FEDERALIST." THANK YOU BOTH FOR
BEING HERE.
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MOLLY, LET ME START WITH YOU. WE'RE
IN THE MIDDLE OF AN
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EXTRAORDINARY ELECTION SEASON,
AND HERE'S THIS REPORT THAT
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FACEBOOK MIGHT BE BURYING NEWS
FAVORABLE TO CONSERVATIVES.
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A, DO YOU BELIEVE IT? B, WHAT ARE
THE RAMIFICATIONS
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FOR A WEBSITE LIKE YOURS? I THINK
THE REASON WHY THIS
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STORY RESONATED SO MUCH IS THAT
IT CONFIRMED THE SUSPICIONS THAT
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SO MANY CONSERVATIVES AND CONSERVATIVE
MEDIA OUTLETS HAD
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GOING BACK QUITE SOME TIME ABOUT
SUPPRESSION OF CONSERVATIVE NEWS
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STORIES AND SITES AND ALSO ELEVATION
OF OTHER TOPICS.
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WE'VE CERTAINLY EXPERIENCED THIS
AT "THE FEDERALIST," NOT JUST IN
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TERMS OF THE TRENDING TOPICS ISSUE
BUT OTHER SUPPRESSION
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WHERE STORIES THAT ARE COMPLETELY
ACADEMIC ARE DEEMED
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UNSAFE. WE HAD A STORY ON TRIGGER
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WARNINGS AND MICROAGGRESSIONS THAT
COULDN'T BE POSTED BECAUSE
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IT WAS DEEMED UNSAFE, WHICH WAS
RIDICULO
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RIDICULO RIDICULOUS.
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OR PERHAPS THE WORST EXAMPLE WAS
WHEN THE PLANNED PARENTHOOD
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STORY BROKE AND WENT VIRAL WITHIN
MINUTES.
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IT TOOK A LONG TIME FOR FACEBOOK
TO ACKNOWLEDGE THIS WAS A
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TRENDING TOPIC. WHEN THEY DID,
THEY DIDN'T LINK
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TO THE CONSERVATIVE SITES THAT
WERE BREAKING THE NEWS AND DOING
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THE INVESTIGATIONS. THEY LINKED
TO A FEW PLAN THE
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PARENTHOOD SPONSORED ITEMS INSTEAD.
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THAT REALLY AFFECTS THE WAY PUBLIC
OPINION CAN BE SHAPED AND
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HOW OTHER MEDIA FIGURES RESPOND.
SO THIS IS NOT A HEALTHY THING,
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PARTICULARLY SINCE THEY PRESENT
THIS TRENDING TOPIC THING AS IF
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IT'S JUST AN ALGORITHM AND IF THEY'RE
NEUTRAL.
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YEAH, THE EYE-OPENING PART OF THIS,
THIS WEEK, WAS THE
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TRENDING TOPICS IS REVIEWED BY
EDITORS.
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KELLY, LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT THIS.
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THERE'S GOOD REASONS TO HAVE EDITORS.
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FACEBOOK EDITORS CAN TAKE AWAY
SPAM AND SCAM AND HOAXES AND
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HELP NOT GET PEOPLE MISLED. IF
THEY'RE ALSO REMOVING OR DOWN
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PLAYING STORIES, LINKS TO SITES
LIKE THE FEDERALIST, THAT CAN BE
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A REAL PROBLEM AND CAN GO RIGHT
TO THE HEART OF FACEBOOK'S
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CREDIBILITY. BUT THESE WORDS LIKE
CREDIBILITY
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AND EDITORS, THEY'RE NOT WORDS
THAT FACEBOOK IS USED TO BECAUSE
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FACEBOOK SAYS IT'S JUST A PLATFORM.
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RIGHT. FACEBOOK SEES ITSELF AS
A
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TECHNOLOGY COMPANY, AS A SOCIAL
MEDIA PLATFORM, WHEN IN FACT
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THEY'RE DOING THE WORK OF JOURNALISM
IN DISTRIBUTING
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JOURNALISM TO THE MASSES. FOR FACEBOOK,
THIS IS A TURNING
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POINT. THEY'RE ASKING THEMSELVES
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QUESTIONS AS A COMPANY ABOUT WHAT
THEIR RESPONSIBILITIES ARE.
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EVERY TIME YOU ASK FACEBOOK IN
THE PAST ABOUT THEIR OBLIGATIONS
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TO DEMOCRACY AND TO THE MARKETPLACE
OF IDEAS, THEY'VE
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ALWAYS HAD THE RIGHT ANSWERS. BUT
PROACTIVELY, THEY HAVEN'T
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HAD ANY OF THE POLICIES THAT COMPANIES
LIKE NEWS COMPANIES
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HAVE HAD IN PLACE, POLICIES OF
TRANSPARENCY, POLICIES OF
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ACCOUNTABILITY TO THE PUBLIC, AND
NOW I THINK THEY'RE AT A
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CRITICAL POINT WHERE THEY'RE ASKING
THEMSELVES SOME QUESTIONS
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ABOUT WHETHER THEY NEED THOSE POLICIES.
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THE STATEMENT THAT FACEBOOK PUT
OUT THIS WEEK WAS THE MOST
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TRANSPARENT I'VE EVER SEEN FACEBOOK
ABOUT ANY OF THEIR
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POLICIES, AND IT WAS A REALLY GOOD
FIRST STEP.
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YEAH, I THINK IT'S STILL PRETTY
MUCH -- STILL VERY
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OPAQUE. YOU'RE RIGHT, THEY'V BEEN
A
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LITTLE MORE TRANSPARENT, BUT THERE'S
STILL SO MUCH WE DON'T
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KNOW. IT'S CONCERNING BECAUSE FACEBOOK
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IS SO DARN BIG. WE SHOULD MENTION
HERE THE
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COMPANY ALSO HAS BIG RELATIONSHIPS
WITH LOTS OF NEWS
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COMPANIES. THEY HAVE A NEW PRODUCT
CALLED
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FACEBOOK LIVE, A LIVE VIDEO STREAMING.
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WE'VE TRIED IT HERE ON "RELIABLE
SOURCES."
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RECENTLY FACEBOOK STARTED PAYING
CNN AND LOTS OF OTHER NEWS
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COMPANIES IN ORDER TO CREATE LOTS
OF FACEBOOK LIVE CONTENT.
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THEY'RE NOT SAYING WHAT TO CREATE,
BUT THEY'RE ENCOURAGING
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QUANTITY, ENCOURAGING TO DO IT
OFTEN.
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THERE ARE ALL THESE RELATIONSHIPS
WITH NEWS
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COMPANIES. IT'S SUCH A COMPLICATED
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SITUATION HERE. MOLLY, I THINK
WHAT FACEBOOK
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WOULD SAY, TO YOUR POINT ABOUT
THE STORIES ABOUT PLANNED
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PARENTHOOD NOT SHOWING UP RIGHT
AWAY, IS THAT'S WHY THEY NEED
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EDITORS TO MAKE SURE IT SHOWS UP.
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OTHERWISE, THE ALGORITHM WASN'T
WORKING FAST ENOUGH.
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WHAT DO YOU WANT TO SEE FACEBOOK
DO?
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THAT'S THE POINT. OUR DATA SHOWED
THAT STORY WENT
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VIRAL IMMEDIATELY. I CANNOT CONVEY
HOW MANY PEOPLE
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WERE ON OUR SITE LOOKING AT THAT.
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THAT IT DIDN'T SHOW UP ON TRENDING
TOPICS IS BIZARRE TO
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THE HIGHEST DEGREE. AND THERE ARE
SO MANY PROBLEMS
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THAT WERE REVEALED EVEN AS FACEBOOK
WAS DENYING THESE
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ALLEGATIONS. THEY SAID THEY ONLY
-- THEY HAVE
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A LIST OF SOURCES THAT THEY CONSIDER
DECENT AND WORTHY OF --
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IF THREE OF THOSE SOURCES ARE TALKING
ABOUT SOMETHING, THEY'LL
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PUT IT ON TRENDING TOPICS. SOME
OF THOSE ARE STATE
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CONTROLLED. SOME ARE COMMUNIST
NEWS
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ORGANIZATIONS OUT OF CHINA. THERE
ARE ALL SORTS OF WAYS YOU
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CAN MANIPULATE THAT USING STATE-CONTROLLED
MEDIA.
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WE NEED TO SEE MUCH MORE TRANSPARENCY.
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ONE OF THE THINGS ZUCKERBERG SAID,
WHO HAS BEEN MADE VERY
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WEALTHY BY FACEBOOK, $4.4 MILLION
A DAY FOR EVERY DAY HE'S
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BEEN ALIVE. HE SAYS THEY KEEP A
LIST OF
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THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN BLACKLISTED
FROM TRENDING
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TOPICS. I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT LIST.
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I'D LIKE TO SEE MUCH MORE, EVEN
THE STATEMENT SAYING WE HAVE
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POLICIES AND PROCEDURES. THE FORMER
FACEBOOK EMPLOYEES
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THEMSELVES SAID THEY WERE DIRECTED
TO BLOCK CERTAIN SITES
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AND TO BLOCK CERTAIN STORIES. SO
IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER IF
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THE POLICIES ARE THERE. IF THE
CULTURE IS SUCH THAT IT
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SUPPRESSES CONSERVATIVE NEWS AND
NEWS FIGURES.
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REALLY QUICKLY, KELLY, I HAVE TO
RUN, BUT YOU SUGGESTED
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FACEBOOK SHOULD HAVE A PUBLIC EDITOR.
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YOU USED TO BE THE OMBUDSMAN FOR
ESPN.
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00:23:14,361 --> 00:23:16,348
IF THEY CALL YOU, WILL YOU CONSIDER
BEING THEIR PUBLIC
395
00:23:16,349 --> 00:23:17,739
EDITOR? OH, I DON'T THINK THEY'RE
396
00:23:17,741 --> 00:23:20,567
GOING TO CALL ME, BUT I THINK IT'S
A FABULOUS IDEA.
397
00:23:20,569 --> 00:23:23,320
I DO TOO. I THINK IT'S A GREAT
IDEA.
398
00:23:23,322 --> 00:23:26,729
AND WE'LL KEEP FOLLOWING THIS MEETING
ON WEDNESDAY WITH
399
00:23:26,731 --> 00:23:28,566
ZUCKERBERG AND CONSERVATIVE MEDIA
FIGURES.
400
00:23:28,567 --> 00:23:30,272
KELLY, MOLLY, THANK YOU BOTH FOR
BEING HERE.
401
00:23:30,274 --> 00:23:31,867
THANK YOU. THANKS, BRIAN.
402
00:23:31,869 --> 00:23:36,304
COMING UP NEXT, WHILE THE MEDIA
CONTINUES TO SEEK ACCESS
403
00:23:36,306 --> 00:23:39,120
TO DONALD TRUMP, EVERY INTERVIEWER
WANTS TIME WITH HIM,
404
00:23:39,122 --> 00:23:41,867
ONE BROADCASTER HAS NEVER HAD TROUBLE
GETTING A SIT-DOWN WITH
405
00:23:41,869 --> 00:23:44,53
HIM. TV LEGEND LARRY KING JOINS
ME
406
00:23:44,55 --> 00:23:45,682
AFTER THE BREAK TO TALK ABOUT WHAT
MAKES TRUMP TICK.
407
00:23:45,684 --> 00:24:34,241
ARE YOU POWERED BY PROTEIN?
408
00:24:34,243 --> 00:24:35,220
I AM.
409
00:24:35,222 --> 00:24:39,891
MILK HAS 8 GRAMS OF PROTEIN
410
00:24:39,893 --> 00:24:42,694
TO HELP GIVE ME ENERGY TO UNLEASH
MY POTENTIAL.
411
00:24:42,696 --> 00:24:43,995
START EVERY DAY WITH
412
00:24:43,997 --> 00:24:45,897
MILK'S PROTEIN AND MILK LIFE.
413
00:24:45,899 --> 00:25:50,796
"DADDY DOING WORK",D
414
00:25:50,797 --> 00:25:53,983
IT'S FUNNY THAT I'VE BEEN IN THE
NEWS FOR BEING A DAD.
415
00:25:53,984 --> 00:25:55,467
WINDOWS 10 IS GREAT BECAUSE
416
00:25:55,468 --> 00:25:56,685
I NEED TO KEEP ORGANIZED.
417
00:25:56,687 --> 00:25:58,469
SCHOOL, GROCERY SHOPPING.
418
00:25:58,471 --> 00:26:00,155
MY FACE CAN UNLOCK THIS COMPUTER.
419
00:26:00,156 --> 00:26:01,990
THAT'S CRAZY.
420
00:26:01,992 --> 00:26:03,808
MACBOOKS ARE NOT ABLE TO DO THAT.
421
00:26:03,810 --> 00:26:04,810
"HEY CORTANA,
422
00:26:04,812 --> 00:26:06,995
REMIND ME WE HAVE A PLAY DATE TOMORROW
AT NOON"
423
00:26:06,997 --> 00:26:09,313
I NEED THAT IN MY WORLD.
424
00:26:09,315 --> 00:26:11,833
ANYTHING THAT MAKES MY LIFE EASIER,
I'M USING.
425
00:26:11,835 --> 00:26:13,668
AND WINDOWS IS DOING THAT.
426
00:26:13,670 --> 00:28:00,620
MAKE A LIST OF TV LEGENDS. THE
NAME ON THE TOP IS LARRY
427
00:28:00,622 --> 00:28:03,751
KING. WE'RE ACTUALLY SITTING IN
HIS
428
00:28:03,753 --> 00:28:07,68
STUDIO. FOR SO MANY YEARS HERE
AT CNN IN
429
00:28:07,70 --> 00:28:08,443
LOS ANGELES. LARRY ALWAYS GOT THE
IMPOSSIBLE
430
00:28:08,445 --> 00:28:12,3
GET AT CNN. HE INTERVIEWED A WHO'S
WHO OF
431
00:28:12,5 --> 00:28:14,421
CELEBRITIES, DIGNITARIES, AND POLITICIANS
OVER THE YEARS,
432
00:28:14,423 --> 00:28:16,829
INCLUDING THE MAN OF THE HOUR,
THE MAN OF THE YEAR, THE MANAGE
433
00:28:16,831 --> 00:28:20,41
WHO MIGHT BE THE NEXT PRESIDENT
OF THE UNITED STATES, DONALD
434
00:28:20,43 --> 00:28:21,402
TRUMP. PEOPLE ARE GOING TO PRESUME
435
00:28:21,404 --> 00:28:23,333
THINGS. WELL, THEY CAN PRESUME
436
00:28:23,335 --> 00:28:25,42
WHATEVER THEY WANT. I HAVE NO INTENTION
OF RUNNING
437
00:28:25,44 --> 00:28:27,354
FOR PRESIDENT. I DOUBT I'LL EVER
BE INVOLVED IN
438
00:28:27,356 --> 00:28:29,835
POLITICS. I'M GOING TO FORM A PRESIDENTIAL
439
00:28:29,837 --> 00:28:33,102
EXPLORATORY COMMITTEE. YOU CONSIDER
ONCE RUNNING FOR
440
00:28:33,104 --> 00:28:34,942
THE PRESIDENCY. I DIDN'T CONSIDER
IT LONG.
441
00:28:34,944 --> 00:28:36,874
YOU DON'T WANT TO RUN FOR OFFICE?
442
00:28:36,875 --> 00:28:40,129
I'D RATHER NOT, BUT I ALSO WANT
THIS COUNTRY TO BE GREAT
443
00:28:40,130 --> 00:28:41,726
AGAIN. IT'S NOT A TOUPEE.
444
00:28:41,728 --> 00:28:44,482
IT'S NOT A COMB OVER. DON'T MESS
IT UP TOO MUCH.
445
00:28:44,484 --> 00:28:48,106
HE CHECKED. HE SAYS IT'S NOT A
COMBOVER.
446
00:28:48,108 --> 00:28:55,503
JOINING ME NOW IS THE TV LEGEND
HIMSELF, LARRY KING, WHO'S
447
00:28:55,505 --> 00:28:56,284
ONLINE NOW. LARRY, THANK YOU FOR
COMING IN.
448
00:28:56,286 --> 00:28:58,386
MY PLEASURE. WELCOME TO THE WEST.
449
00:28:58,388 --> 00:29:00,527
ABSOLUTELY. I WANTED TO ASK YOU
ABOUT
450
00:29:00,529 --> 00:29:02,452
INTERVIEWING TRUMP. WE'VE SEEN
SO MANY INTERVIEWS OF
451
00:29:02,453 --> 00:29:04,787
TRUMP THIS YEAR. YOU WERE TALKING
TO HIM DECADES
452
00:29:04,789 --> 00:29:07,140
AGO WHEN HE WAS STILL KIND OF BECOMING
WHO HE IS TODAY.
453
00:29:07,141 --> 00:29:10,386
WAS HE AN EASY FIGURE TO INTERVIEW
OR A HARD FIGURE?
454
00:29:10,388 --> 00:29:14,480
VERY EASY. HE WAS FASCINATING BECAUSE
HE
455
00:29:14,482 --> 00:29:15,666
WAS TRUMP. TRUMP WAS TRUMP.
456
00:29:15,667 --> 00:29:19,426
AND IS TRUMP. WHAT YOU'RE SEEING
IS A TRUE
457
00:29:19,428 --> 00:29:23,216
REALITY STAR FIGURE WHO WAS --
EVEN THOUGH HE'S BURST ON TO THE
458
00:29:23,218 --> 00:29:28,860
SCENE, HE WAS VERY WELL KNOWN.
IT'S NOT A SHOCK THAT PEOPLE ARE
459
00:29:28,862 --> 00:29:32,89
ATTRACTED TO DONALD TRUMP. WAS
IT EASY TO BOOK HIM EVEN
460
00:29:32,91 --> 00:29:35,807
20, 30 YEARS AGO? EASY?
461
00:29:35,809 --> 00:29:37,128
SURE. YOU JUST CALL UP.
462
00:29:37,130 --> 00:29:41,161
YEAH, HE LOVES THE MEDIA. DO YOU
BELIEVE THIS FAKE
463
00:29:41,163 --> 00:29:44,339
SPOKESMAN STORY, BY THE WAY? THIS
IDEA HE WAS BEING HIS OWN
464
00:29:44,341 --> 00:29:46,357
SPOKESMAN. HE ONCE ADMITTED TO
IT, BUT NOW
465
00:29:46,359 --> 00:29:48,624
HE'S DENYING IT. IT'S KIND OF WEIRD,
ISN'T IT?
466
00:29:48,626 --> 00:29:52,12
WHY WOULD HE NEED TO DO THAT? I'LL
HAVE TO ASK HIM ABOUT IT.
467
00:29:52,14 --> 00:29:55,592
I TALK TO DONALD A LOT. I LIKE
HIM A LOT PERSONALLY.
468
00:29:55,594 --> 00:30:00,627
HE'S BEEN A FRIEND FOR YEARS. HE'S
BEEN GOOD TO MY FAMILY.
469
00:30:00,629 --> 00:30:02,547
IN FACT, WE WERE FATHERS OF THE
YEAR TOGETHER.
470
00:30:02,549 --> 00:30:07,455
WHERE? IN NEW YORK IN THE MID-'90S.
471
00:30:07,457 --> 00:30:09,295
SO YOU TALK TO HIM NOWADAYS ABOUT
HIS CAMPAIGN?
472
00:30:09,297 --> 00:30:11,950
YEAH. ANY ADVICE YOU'VE GIVEN HIM?
473
00:30:11,952 --> 00:30:17,754
I DON'T GIVE ADVICE. YOU DON'T
GIVE ADVICE TO DONALD
474
00:30:17,756 --> 00:30:21,441
TRUMP. BUT HE'S A FASCINATING PERSON.
475
00:30:21,443 --> 00:30:23,320
I WONDER IF MAYBE YOU COULD ANSWER
THIS.
476
00:30:23,322 --> 00:30:27,32
CHICKEN OR THE EGG? IS HE FAMOUS
BECAUSE WE COVERED
477
00:30:27,34 --> 00:30:31,641
HIM, OR DID WE COVER HIM BECAUSE
HE'S FAMOUS?
478
00:30:31,643 --> 00:30:35,84
WHAT HAPPENED FIRST? WELL, AT SOME
POINT HE HAD TO
479
00:30:35,86 --> 00:30:38,548
BECOME FAMOUS IN THE '80S. THIS
IS THE TABLOIDS MAYBE IN
480
00:30:38,550 --> 00:30:44,122
THE '80S. BUT DID WE, THE MEDIA,
BUILD
481
00:30:44,124 --> 00:30:45,454
HIM, OR WAS HE THE ATTRACTION FIRST?
482
00:30:45,456 --> 00:30:50,169
WHAT STARTED IT? WAS IT THE MCCAIN
THING?
483
00:30:50,171 --> 00:30:51,301
I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE. YEAH.
484
00:30:51,302 --> 00:30:58,372
IF -- WAS IT JIM, WHATEVER HIS
NAME WAS, THE GUY WHO WAS
485
00:30:58,374 --> 00:31:03,135
GOVERNOR OF VIRGINIA WHO WAS IN
THE RACE FOR TWO MINUTES.
486
00:31:03,137 --> 00:31:06,453
JIM GILMORE. IF JIM GILMORE HAD
COME OUT
487
00:31:06,455 --> 00:31:12,291
AND SAID, I DON'T WANT TO LET MUSLIMS
INTO THE COUNTRY, WOULD
488
00:31:12,292 --> 00:31:14,333
JIM -- WOULD WE HAVE RUSHED TO
JIM GILMORE?
489
00:31:14,335 --> 00:31:17,179
WOULD WE? I LOOK AT THE POLLS FROM
LAST
490
00:31:17,181 --> 00:31:18,586
JULY. TRUMP GAME NUMBER ONE SO
QUICKLY
491
00:31:18,588 --> 00:31:22,354
IN THE POLLS. THAT TELLS ME IT
WASN'T JUST A
492
00:31:22,356 --> 00:31:24,195
MEDIA CREATION. IT WAS SOMETHING
IN THE PUBLIC,
493
00:31:24,197 --> 00:31:25,742
IN THE COUNTRY, WHERE TRUMP RESONATED.
494
00:31:25,744 --> 00:31:28,712
IT WAS A COMBINATION OF THAT, RIGHT.
495
00:31:28,714 --> 00:31:30,172
IF GILMORE HAD SAID IT, WOULD IT
HAVE RESONATED?
496
00:31:30,174 --> 00:31:33,661
WE DON'T KNOW. MAYBE IT WOULD HAVE
BEEN A
497
00:31:33,663 --> 00:31:35,456
ONE OR TWO-DAY STORY. BUT WE'RE
STILL TALKING ABOUT
498
00:31:35,458 --> 00:31:38,482
THAT ALLEGED MUSLIM BAN BECAUSE
HE'S WALKING IT BACK, SAYING
499
00:31:38,484 --> 00:31:41,460
IT'S JUST A SUGGESTION. WHAT'S
BEEN THE MOST DISTURBING
500
00:31:41,462 --> 00:31:44,524
PART OF THIS CAMPAIGN? THE WHOLE
THING.
501
00:31:44,526 --> 00:31:49,261
SOMEONE CALLED IT THE OTHER DAY,
THIS IS ELECTORAL DYSFUNCTION.
502
00:31:49,263 --> 00:31:52,766
IT'S A GOOD LINE. ON BOTH SIDES
OR JUST ON THE
503
00:31:52,768 --> 00:31:58,853
GOP SIDE? WELL, HILLARY IS -- SHE'S
A
504
00:31:58,855 --> 00:32:02,423
VERY, VERY BRIGHT INDIVIDUAL WHO'S
NOT A GREAT CAMPAIGNER.
505
00:32:02,425 --> 00:32:04,113
SHE'S FINE IN ONE-ON-ONE SITUATIONS.
506
00:32:04,114 --> 00:32:07,269
SHE'S EXTRAORDINARILY BRIGHT. IN
FACT, THE DEBATE, HER AND HIM
507
00:32:07,271 --> 00:32:10,589
OUGHT TO BE ON PAID TV. YOU THINK
PEOPLE SHOULD HAVE
508
00:32:10,591 --> 00:32:12,984
TO SUBSCRIBE. THAT'S SUPER BOWL.
509
00:32:12,986 --> 00:32:15,801
BUT THAT GETS TO WHAT WE WERE TALKING
ABOUT EARLIER, THE IDEA
510
00:32:15,803 --> 00:32:20,18
OF THIS REALITY TV CAMPAIGN. ISN'T
THAT FUNDAMENTALLY BACK
511
00:32:20,20 --> 00:32:22,717
FOR DEMOCRACY, THAT IT IS SO ENTERTAINING,
THAT IT IS SO
512
00:32:22,719 --> 00:32:25,53
WILD, THAT WE WOULD PAY TO WATCH
IT?
513
00:32:25,55 --> 00:32:29,721
SHOULDN'T DEBATES BE KIND OF BORING?
514
00:32:29,723 --> 00:32:32,589
I DON'T KNOW. WERE LINCOLN AND
DOUGLAS BORING?
515
00:32:32,591 --> 00:32:36,727
WELL, THEY HAD NO MODERATOR. WELL,
YOUR NAFTA DEBATE
516
00:32:36,729 --> 00:32:42,526
WASN'T BORING, AND IT WAS ABOUT
VERY DETAILED TOPICS.
517
00:32:42,528 --> 00:32:48,686
GORE CLEARLY WON. NOW, THAT --
WHAT WILL HAPPEN
518
00:32:48,688 --> 00:32:54,294
ISSUE THIS IS A GREAT THOUGHT.
WHAT WILL HAPPEN IN THE
519
00:32:54,296 --> 00:32:58,382
HILLARY/TRUMP DEBATES? YOU TELL
ME.
520
00:32:58,384 --> 00:33:01,489
YOU'RE THE BOSS. I'D LOVE TO MODERATE
THEM.
521
00:33:01,491 --> 00:33:04,425
I MODERATE ID THAT DEBATE BETWEEN
BUSH AND MCCAIN IN SOUTH
522
00:33:04,427 --> 00:33:05,419
CAROLINA. THAT WAS SOME NIGHT.
523
00:33:05,421 --> 00:33:06,887
AFTER MCCAIN HAD WON NEW HAMPSHIRE
AND THEY HAD COME TO
524
00:33:06,889 --> 00:33:08,370
SOUTH CAROLINA. THAT WAS A TOUGH
-- THEY WERE
525
00:33:08,372 --> 00:33:11,690
REALLY MAD AT EACH OTHER. BUT THE
CLINTON -- WILL TRUMP
526
00:33:11,692 --> 00:33:15,0
GET VICIOUS IN THAT DEBATE? WILL
HE GET PERSONAL?
527
00:33:15,1 --> 00:33:13,33
WILL HE TALK ABOUT HER BEING AN
ENABLER OF HER HUSBAND?
528
00:33:13,35 --> 00:33:17,175
IT'S UP TO THE MODERATOR. IT'S
UP TO THE MODERATOR TO
529
00:33:17,177 --> 00:33:19,978
KEEP CONTROL. STAY ON THE ISSUES.
530
00:33:19,979 --> 00:33:21,814
WILL HE KEEP TRUMP ON THE ISSUES?
531
00:33:21,816 --> 00:33:38,752
WHAT'S HURTS TRUMP? HE HASN'T RELEASED
HIS TAXES.
532
00:33:38,754 --> 00:33:43,695
DOES THAT HURT HIM? I'LL NEVER
RAISE MONEY FROM
533
00:33:43,697 --> 00:33:45,375
ANYONE ELSE. DOES THAT HURT HIM?
534
00:33:45,377 --> 00:33:49,277
NOTHING HURTS HIM. HE SAID HE COULD
SHOOT SOMEONE
535
00:33:49,279 --> 00:33:51,192
ON 5TH AVENUE. YOU'RE MAKING ME
THINK HE HAS
536
00:33:51,194 --> 00:33:54,788
A REAL SHOT AT THE WHITE HOUSE,
UNLIKE THE DATA, WHICH INDICATES
537
00:33:54,790 --> 00:33:57,906
CLINTON IS THE FAVORITE BY FAR.
IF YOU CAN MAKE ANYTHING
538
00:33:57,908 --> 00:34:00,535
PREDICTABLE IN CAMPAIGN, YOU'RE
A BETTER MAN THAN ME.
539
00:34:00,537 --> 00:34:03,626
I'M GOING TO LIVE BY THOSE WORDS.
540
00:34:03,628 --> 00:34:06,211
LARRY, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
GREAT TO SEE YOU.
541
00:34:06,213 --> 00:34:08,704
THANK YOU. AND A GREAT TRANSITION.
542
00:34:08,706 --> 00:34:12,109
COMING UP, NATE SILVER, THE FOUNDER
OF 538, HE SAID TRUMP
543
00:34:12,111 --> 00:34:15,868
HAD ONLY A 5% CHANCE OF WINNING
THE GOP NOMINATION LAST FALL.
544
00:34:15,870 --> 00:34:18,298
NOW HE'S GOING TO JOIN ME TO DISCUSS
WHAT HAPPENED THERE AND
545
00:34:18,300 --> 00:34:21,677
WHY HE GOT THAT WRONG AND WHETHER
WE SHOULD BELIEVE HIS
546
00:34:21,679 --> 00:34:22,968
NEW PREDICTION ABOUT THIS FALL.
STAY TUNED.
547
00:34:22,969 --> 00:34:23,948
WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.
548
00:34:23,950 --> 00:34:28,527
¶ ¶ (CHARGE MUSIC)
549
00:34:28,529 --> 00:34:32,123
YOU WOULDN'T HIRE AN ORGANIST WITHOUT
HEARING THEM FIRST.
550
00:34:32,125 --> 00:34:33,391
CHARGE!
551
00:34:33,393 --> 00:34:35,895
SO WHY WOULD YOU INVEST WITHOUT
CHECKING BROKERCHECK?
552
00:34:35,897 --> 00:34:51,192
CHECK YOUR BROKER WITH BROKERCHECK.
553
00:34:51,194 --> 00:34:51,460
WHEN AGE-RELATED MACULAR HAVE
DEGENERATION, AMD
554
00:34:51,462 --> 00:34:53,604
WE CAME UP WITH A PLAN TO HELP
555
00:34:53,605 --> 00:34:56,64
REDUCE MY RISK OF PROGRESSION.
556
00:34:56,66 --> 00:34:58,168
AND EVERYWHERE I LOOK...
557
00:34:58,170 --> 00:35:01,845
I'M REMINDED TO STICK TO
MY PLAN.
558
00:35:01,847 --> 00:35:04,568
INCLUDING PRESERVISION AREDS 2.
559
00:35:04,570 --> 00:35:06,844
MY DOCTOR SAID PRESERVISION
AREDS 2
560
00:35:06,846 --> 00:35:08,679
HAS THE EXACT NUTRIENT FORMULA
561
00:35:08,681 --> 00:35:09,364
THAT THE NATIONAL
562
00:35:09,366 --> 00:35:11,32
EYE INSTITUTE RECOMMENDS
563
00:35:11,34 --> 00:35:13,18
TO HELP REDUCE THE RISK OF
PROGRESSION
564
00:35:13,20 --> 00:35:14,868
OF MODERATE TO ADVANCED AMD...
565
00:35:14,870 --> 00:35:17,55
AFTER 15 YEARS OF CLINICAL
STUDIES.
566
00:35:17,57 --> 00:35:18,523
PRESERVISION AREDS 2.
567
00:35:18,525 --> 00:35:20,825
BECAUSE MY EYES ARE EVERYTHING.
568
00:35:20,827 --> 00:37:32,43
THIS CIT ADDED THIS OTHER LEVEL
OF CLEAN TO IT.
569
00:37:32,45 --> 00:37:35,424
IT JUST KINDA LIKE WIPED EVERYTHING
CLEAN.
570
00:37:35,426 --> 00:37:39,367
MY TEETH ARE GLOWING. THEY ARE
SO WHITE.
571
00:37:39,369 --> 00:37:44,361
I ACTUALLY REALLY LIKE THE TWO
STEPS.
572
00:37:44,363 --> 00:37:47,781
EVERYTIME I USE THIS TOGETHER IT
FELT LIKE
573
00:37:47,782 --> 00:37:49,114
LEAVING THE DENTIST'S OFFICE.
574
00:37:49,116 --> 00:37:52,1
CREST HD, 6X CLEANING, 6X WHITENING.
575
00:37:52,3 --> 00:38:06,822
I WOULD SWITCH TO CREST HD OVER
WHAT I WAS USING BEFORE.
576
00:38:06,824 --> 00:38:28,904
HOW IS THIS FOR MEDIA ACCOUNTABILITY?
577
00:38:28,906 --> 00:38:37,675
HERE'S "WASHINGTON POST" COLUMNIST
DANA MILBANK LITERALLY
578
00:38:37,677 --> 00:38:40,187
EATING HIS WORDS. HE PREDICTED
LAST OCTOBER DONALD
579
00:38:40,188 --> 00:38:41,281
TRUMP WOULD NEVER BE THE GOP NOMINEE.
580
00:38:41,282 --> 00:38:52,504
SO THIS IS WHAT HE GETS. NOW, THAT
IS ONE WAY TO
581
00:38:52,506 --> 00:38:50,630
FOLLOW-UP ON A FAULTY ELECTION
FORECAST.
582
00:38:50,632 --> 00:38:52,186
HERE'S ANOTHER WAY. NATE SILVER
MADE A NAME FOR
583
00:38:52,188 --> 00:38:56,980
HIMSELF BY USING DATA TO CORRECTLY
PREDICT 49 OUT OF 50
584
00:38:56,982 --> 00:39:03,574
STATES IN 2008'S GENERAL ELECTION
AND ALL 50 IN 2012.
585
00:39:03,576 --> 00:39:08,289
HE AND 538 HAVE PREDICTED 52 OF
57 STATES AND VARIOUS
586
00:39:08,291 --> 00:39:13,267
TERRITORIES IN THIS YEAR'S PRIMARY
CONTESTS CORRECTLY.
587
00:39:13,269 --> 00:39:15,690
BUT MANY ARE SAYING HE AND HIS
COLLEAGUE THE DROPPED THE BALL
588
00:39:15,692 --> 00:39:17,908
THIS YEAR. THAT'S PARTLY BECAUSE
OF THIS
589
00:39:17,910 --> 00:39:22,445
PREDICTION THAT HE MADE RIGHT HERE
ON CNN WITH ANDERSON COOPER
590
00:39:22,447 --> 00:39:25,896
LAST FALL. DO YOU PUT THE CHANCE
OF
591
00:39:25,898 --> 00:39:29,76
DONALD TRUMP OR BEN CARSON ACTUALLY
GETTING THE GOP
592
00:39:29,78 --> 00:39:32,898
NOMINATION AROUND 5%. MAYBE ABOUT
5% EACH.
593
00:39:32,900 --> 00:39:35,676
SOMEWHERE AROUND THERE. 5%.
594
00:39:35,678 --> 00:39:41,603
SO I SAT DOWN WITH NATE SILVER,
EDITOR AND CHIEF AT 538.COM, TO
595
00:39:41,605 --> 00:39:44,379
ASK HIM WHAT HAPPENED. WE WERE
SKEPTICAL OF TRUMP'S
596
00:39:44,381 --> 00:39:46,896
CHANCES EARLY ON BECAUSE HE WENT
AGAINST HISTORY.
597
00:39:46,898 --> 00:39:51,795
YOU'D SEEN A LOT OF CANDIDATES,
NEWT GINGRICH, HERMANN CAIN,
598
00:39:51,797 --> 00:39:53,967
GEORGE WALLACE WAY BACK IN THE
DAY, WHO HAD RIDDEN HIGH IN THE
599
00:39:53,969 --> 00:39:56,165
POLLS AND FLAMED OUT BECAUSE THEY
LACKED BACKING FROM THEIR
600
00:39:56,167 --> 00:39:58,86
PARTIES. I GUESS YOU CAN BLAME
US FOR
601
00:39:58,88 --> 00:40:00,866
STICKING TOO MUCH TO HISTORY, BUT
I THINK IT'S A BETTER EXCUSE
602
00:40:00,868 --> 00:40:03,265
WHEN, NUMBER ONE, WE HAVE A GOOD
TRACK RECORD.
603
00:40:03,267 --> 00:40:09,825
IF ANY TIME YOU GET A PREDICTION
WRONG, WHEN YOU SAY SOMETIMES WE
604
00:40:09,827 --> 00:40:09,793
LIVE IN AN UNCERTAIN WORLD, WE
DON'T KNOW.
605
00:40:09,795 --> 00:40:12,904
IF YOU'RE RIGHT 9% OF THE TIME,
YOU SHOULDN'T BE THROWN OFF THE
606
00:40:12,906 --> 00:40:15,583
BOAT FOR THE OTHER TEN. DO YOU
FEEL LIKE PEOPLE ARE
607
00:40:15,584 --> 00:40:18,607
TRYING TO THROW YOU OFF THE BOAT?
608
00:40:18,609 --> 00:40:20,13
FOR SURE. THERE ARE NOT A LOT OF
PEOPLE
609
00:40:20,15 --> 00:40:22,251
WHO EXPECTED TRUMP TO BE THE REPUBLICAN
NOMINEE.
610
00:40:22,253 --> 00:40:26,765
IF YOU GO BACK NOW, IT'S KIND OF
LIKE WOODSTOCK.
611
00:40:26,767 --> 00:40:28,327
EVERYONE NOW CLAIMS TO HAVE ATTENDED
WOODSTOCK AND WOULD
612
00:40:28,329 --> 00:40:32,598
HAVE KNOWN BACK IN JUNE OR JULY
THAT HE'D BE THE NOMINEE.
613
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:35,142
THIS IS ONE OF THE CRAZIER THINGS
WE'VE SEEN IN AMERICAN
614
00:40:35,144 --> 00:40:39,669
POLITICS FOR A LONG TIME. I THINK
IT WAS FAIR FOR US TO BE
615
00:40:39,671 --> 00:40:42,918
SKEPTICAL EARLY ON ABOUT THE ODDS
THIS COULD OCCUR.
616
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:45,368
WHEN WE SAW POLLS IN IOWA AND NEW
HAMPSHIRE AND HOW MUCH
617
00:40:45,370 --> 00:40:48,605
DISARRAY THE GOP WAS IN, WE BECAME
LESS SKEPTICAL.
618
00:40:48,607 --> 00:40:51,221
YOU ADAPT WITH THE EVIDENCE. HE
WAS ALWAYS NUMBER ONE IN
619
00:40:51,223 --> 00:40:53,556
THE POLLS. PEOPLE LIKE YOU JUST
DIDN'T
620
00:40:53,558 --> 00:40:55,355
BELIEVE IT. IT'S NOT A MATTER OF
BELIEF.
621
00:40:55,357 --> 00:40:57,375
IT'S A MATTER OF LOOKING AT HISTORICAL
EVIDENCE.
622
00:40:57,377 --> 00:41:01,342
YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING IS OBVIOUS
IN RETROSPECT WHEN YOU KNOW HOW
623
00:41:01,344 --> 00:41:02,957
SOMETHING TURNED OUT. WE HAVE A
METHOD THAT BOTH THIS
624
00:41:02,958 --> 00:41:09,192
YEAR AND HISTORICALLY IS RIGHT
WAY MORE OFTEN THAN IT'S WRONG.
625
00:41:09,194 --> 00:41:12,153
I USED TO PLAY POKER. IN POKER,
YOU CAN PLAY A HAND
626
00:41:12,155 --> 00:41:16,174
WELL AND LOSE, PLAY A HAND BADLY
AND WIN.
627
00:41:16,176 --> 00:41:16,830
IT DOESN'T MEAN YOU SHOULDN'T REFLECT.
628
00:41:16,832 --> 00:41:19,867
WE'VE SEEN SO MANY HONEST SELF-REFLECTIONS
FROM
629
00:41:19,869 --> 00:41:24,217
EMPIRICALLY MINDED JOURNALISTS.
I THINK WE COULD HAVE A FEW MORE
630
00:41:24,218 --> 00:41:25,837
ABOUT JOURNALISTS JUST AS SKEPTICAL.
631
00:41:25,839 --> 00:41:29,404
SO YOU THINK IT'S GOOD YOU'RE BEING
HELD ACCOUNTABLE.
632
00:41:29,406 --> 00:41:32,842
IT'S GOOD WE HOLD OURSELVES ACCOUNTABLE.
633
00:41:32,844 --> 00:41:38,181
IN MY OPINION, SOMEONE WHO IS A
DEMAGOGUE, WON A MAJOR PARTY
634
00:41:38,183 --> 00:41:41,109
NOMINATION, WE SHOULD ALL BE SAYING
WHAT HAPPENED TO OUR
635
00:41:41,111 --> 00:41:45,608
INSTITUTION? SOMEONE WHO RAN ON
A LOT OF
636
00:41:45,610 --> 00:41:46,591
MISINFORMATION AND WE'RE THE INFORMATION
INDUSTRY AND BECAME
637
00:41:46,593 --> 00:41:48,462
THE NOMINEE OF A MAJOR PARTY, THAT'S
A BIG PROBLEM.
638
00:41:48,464 --> 00:41:52,927
IF WE'RE A PART OF THAT PROBLEM,
I'M HAPPY TO BE AT THE TABLE
639
00:41:52,929 --> 00:41:54,746
DISCUSSING WHAT HAPPENED AND WHAT
COMES NEXT.
640
00:41:54,748 --> 00:41:57,980
BECAUSE YOU'RE SO CRITICAL OF TRUMP,
WERE YOU PREDICTING WHAT
641
00:41:57,982 --> 00:42:01,427
YOU WANTED TO HAVE HAPPEN AS O
POSED TO WHAT WOULD HAPPEN?
642
00:42:01,429 --> 00:42:02,546
ONE THING THAT'S IRONIC ABOUT THE
TRUMP PREDICTION IS WE
643
00:42:02,548 --> 00:42:07,734
DIDN'T HAVE A MODEL. THE MINUTE
WE HAD A MODEL IN
644
00:42:07,736 --> 00:42:10,92
IOWA AND NEW HAMPSHIRE, STATE BY
STATE, THEY SHOWED TRUMP DOING
645
00:42:10,94 --> 00:42:11,523
VERY WELL. IT'S A STRANGE CASE
THAT, YOU
646
00:42:11,525 --> 00:42:16,356
KNOW, THE POLLS WERE RIGHT AND
THEREFORE JOURNALISM WAS WRONG.
647
00:42:16,358 --> 00:42:18,650
THAT SEEMS LIKE A STRANGE CASE
TO MAKE.
648
00:42:18,652 --> 00:42:20,673
SO YOU KNOW WHAT I HAVE TO ASK
YOU BEFORE WE GO.
649
00:42:20,675 --> 00:42:24,12
AS WE LOOK TO THE FALL, WHAT ARE
TRUMP'S CHANCES?
650
00:42:24,14 --> 00:42:26,843
SO WE ALWAYS MAKE THINGS PROBABLISTICLY.
651
00:42:26,845 --> 00:42:31,455
IF YOU LOOK AT BETTING MARKETS,
THEY SAY TRUMP HAS A 25% CHANCE.
652
00:42:31,457 --> 00:42:34,761
I THINK THAT'S SENSIBLE. IF YOU
HELD THE ELECTION TODAY,
653
00:42:34,763 --> 00:42:37,117
THERE'S ENOUGH POLLING TO KNOW
CLINTON WOULD PROBABLY WIN.
654
00:42:37,119 --> 00:42:40,40
BUT YOU CAN HAVE RECESSIONS. YOU
CAN HAVE TERROR ATTACKS.
655
00:42:40,42 --> 00:42:43,413
CLINTON IS NOT A VERY POPULAR CANDIDATE
HERSELF.
656
00:42:43,415 --> 00:42:46,541
MAYBE TRUMP IS A BLACK SWAN. I
DON'T KNOW.
657
00:42:46,543 --> 00:42:49,607
I PUT TRUMP'S CHANCES OF BECOMING
PRESIDENT AT 25%, MUCH
658
00:42:49,609 --> 00:42:57,336
HIGHER TODAY THAN A YEAR AGO. WHY
SHOULD WE BELIEVE THE 25%
659
00:42:57,338 --> 00:42:59,566
FIGURE, GIVEN THE ERRORS LAST SUMMER,
LAST FALL?
660
00:42:59,568 --> 00:43:01,945
HOW DO WE REGAIN PEOPLE'S TRUST,
PERHAPS, IN WHAT YOU DO?
661
00:43:01,947 --> 00:43:07,44
FIRST OF ALL, I THINK WE HAVE LOTS
OF READERS WHO DO TRUST US
662
00:43:07,46 --> 00:43:07,983
AND FORECASTS ARE NOT THE ONLY
THING WE DO.
663
00:43:07,985 --> 00:43:10,796
BUT WE HAVE A TRACK RECORD THAT
GOES BACK YEARS AND ENCOMPASSES
664
00:43:10,798 --> 00:43:14,353
HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF PREDICTIONS,
THOUSANDS IF YOU
665
00:43:14,355 --> 00:43:16,655
COUNT SPORTS PREDICTIONS OUTSIDE
THE POLITICAL REALM.
666
00:43:16,656 --> 00:43:23,982
WHEN WE SAY SOMETHING HAS A 75%
CHANCE OF HAPPENING, THAT MEANS
667
00:43:23,984 --> 00:43:23,744
IT HAPPENS 75% OF THE TIME AND
DOESN'T HAPPEN 25%.
668
00:43:23,746 --> 00:43:27,280
THAT'S WHAT MAKES THIS FUN. SOMETIMES
THE UNEXPECTED DOES
669
00:43:27,282 --> 00:43:30,206
OCCUR. THIS ELECTION HAS BEEN THE
670
00:43:30,208 --> 00:43:34,148
MOST AMAZING ELECTION THAT I'VE
EVER SEEN.
671
00:43:34,150 --> 00:43:40,19
I THINK TRUMP'S RISE TO POWER IS
INHERENTLY KIND OF AMAZING AND
672
00:43:40,21 --> 00:43:41,735
REMARKABLE. ALSO SCARY IN SOME
OTHER
673
00:43:41,737 --> 00:43:42,281
RESPECTS. I DON'T KNOW.
674
00:43:42,282 --> 00:43:46,467
IN POLITICS, I THINK PEOPLE THINK
VERY DOGMATICALLY.
675
00:43:46,469 --> 00:43:50,156
AS A RESULT, I THINK, YOU KNOW,
WE SHOULD HAVE KNOWN ALL ALONG
676
00:43:50,158 --> 00:43:51,271
WHAT HAPPENS IS OBVIOUS FROM THE
START.
677
00:43:51,273 --> 00:43:56,465
I'VE DONE ENOUGH THINGS IN SPORTS
AND POKER AND COVERING
678
00:43:56,467 --> 00:43:59,681
ENOUGH CAMPAIGNS NOW WHERE THINGS
SEEM MUCH MORE OBVIOUS IN
679
00:43:59,683 --> 00:44:00,862
RETROSPECT THAN THEY DO AT THE
TIME.
680
00:44:00,864 --> 00:44:03,656
IF YOU HAVE A METHOD AND PROCESS
THAT FOCUSES ON DATA AND
681
00:44:03,658 --> 00:44:07,211
EVIDENCE, THAT BEATS THE ALTERNATIVES
IN THE LONG RUN.
682
00:44:07,213 --> 00:44:12,10
EVEN THIS YEAR IT HAS A GOOD RECORD,
APART FROM THE EARLY
683
00:44:12,12 --> 00:44:12,539
PREDICTIONS. NATE, GREAT TO SEE
YOU.
684
00:44:12,541 --> 00:44:18,16
THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. I'LL
HAVE MORE AT
685
00:44:18,18 --> 00:44:20,253
CNNMONEY.COM/MEDIA FROM NATE LATER
TODAY.
686
00:44:20,255 --> 00:44:22,303
UP NEXT, TRUMP ATTACKING "THE NEW
YORK TIMES" THIS
687
00:44:22,305 --> 00:44:24,27
MORNING. OUR PANEL IS BACK WITH
DETAILS.
688
00:44:24,29 --> 00:44:29,356
PLUS, A HOLLYWOOD STORY ABOUT POWER,
ACCESS, AND RETALIATION.
689
00:44:29,358 --> 00:44:33,208
WHAT RONAN FARROW IS SAYING ABOUT
HIS ESTRANGED FATHER WOODY
690
00:44:33,210 --> 00:44:31,800
ALLEN. WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.
691
00:44:31,802 --> 00:44:34,554
OF PREDICTIVE ANALYTICS.TUH
692
00:44:34,556 --> 00:44:33,356
BECAUSE OF OPTUM.
693
00:44:33,358 --> 00:44:33,964
THROUGH POPULATION HEALTH DATA,
694
00:44:33,966 --> 00:44:34,348
THEY PROVIDE INSIGHTS
695
00:44:34,350 --> 00:44:34,585
SO DOCTORS AND HOSPITALS
696
00:44:34,587 --> 00:44:36,261
CAN IDENTIFY HIGH-RISK
PATIENTS.
697
00:44:36,263 --> 00:44:35,852
LIKE ME...
698
00:44:35,854 --> 00:44:36,160
ASTHMA...
699
00:44:36,162 --> 00:44:37,374
POTENTIAL HOSPITAL VISIT.
700
00:44:37,376 --> 00:44:37,680
SO NOW THANKS TO OPTUM,
701
00:44:37,682 --> 00:44:41,761
THIS ASTHMA THING'S UNDER
CONTROL.
702
00:44:41,763 --> 00:44:43,268
GRAVITY NOT SO MUCH.
703
00:44:43,270 --> 00:44:42,997
THIS IS HEALTHIER,
704
00:44:42,999 --> 00:44:45,937
POWERED BY OPTUM.
705
00:44:45,939 --> 00:44:52,365
FROM HEALTH PLANS TO PROVIDERS
706
00:44:52,367 --> 00:44:53,157
TO EMPLOYERS.
707
00:44:53,159 --> 00:44:54,976
WE CONNECT ALL PARTS OF
HEALTH CARE.
708
00:44:54,978 --> 00:44:56,30
HEALTHIER IS HERE.
709
00:44:56,31 --> 00:48:46,391
WELCOME BACK. A FAMED FILM DIRECTOR
WOODY
710
00:48:46,393 --> 00:48:49,414
ALLEN FINDS HIMSELF AT THE CENTER
OF A MEDIA STORM ONCE
711
00:48:49,416 --> 00:48:52,873
AGAIN OVER ALLEGATIONS THAT HE
SEXUALLY ABUSED HIS DAUGHTER
712
00:48:52,875 --> 00:48:56,315
DYLAN WHEN SHE WAS A CHILD. ON
WEDNESDAY MORNING, THE DAY OF
713
00:48:56,317 --> 00:49:03,752
ALLEN'S FILM PREMIERE AT THE CANNES
FILM FESTIVAL, HIS ELSE
714
00:49:03,754 --> 00:49:06,980
STRANGED SON RONAN FARROW PUBLISHED
A COLUMN.
715
00:49:06,982 --> 00:49:12,150
THIS ESSAY WAS IN RESPONSE TO PREVIOUS
COVERAGE.
716
00:49:12,152 --> 00:49:15,419
HE REITERATES HIS SUPPORT FOR HIS
SISTER AND TAKES HIMSELF AND
717
00:49:15,421 --> 00:49:19,611
THE MEDIA TO TASK FOR NOT ASKING
ALLEN ABOUT IT AGAIN AND AGAIN
718
00:49:19,613 --> 00:49:24,683
IN INTERVIEWS. HE DESCRIBED THIS
KIND OF
719
00:49:24,685 --> 00:49:27,716
SILENCE AND AS A RESULT OF PUBLISHING
THE ARTICLE, THE
720
00:49:27,718 --> 00:49:30,82
HOLLYWOOD REPORTER WAS BARRED LATER
IN THE WEEK FROM A LUNCH
721
00:49:30,83 --> 00:49:34,893
EVENT BY ALLEN'S PUBLICIST. SHE
SAID THIS TO THEM, ACCORDING
722
00:49:34,895 --> 00:49:36,381
TO THE HOLLYWOOD REPORTER. IT'S
ONLY NATURAL I WOULD SHOW
723
00:49:36,383 --> 00:49:38,240
DISPLEASURE WHEN THE PRESS, IN
THIS CASE THE HOLLYWOOD
724
00:49:38,242 --> 00:49:42,746
REPORTER, GOES OUT OF ITS WAY TO
BE HARMFUL TO MY CLIENT.
725
00:49:42,748 --> 00:49:46,371
NOW, WOODY ALLEN'S FILMS CAN BE
COMPLEX, NUANCED, BUT IT SEEMS
726
00:49:46,373 --> 00:49:49,577
HIS OWN STORY IS ONE OF ACCESS,
POWER, CELEBRITY.
727
00:49:49,579 --> 00:49:52,23
WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THE MANIPULATION
HERE OF THE MEDIA.
728
00:49:52,25 --> 00:49:57,617
JOINING ME NOW TO DISCUSS THIS
IS JANICE MIN, THE CHIEF
729
00:49:57,619 --> 00:49:57,876
CREATIVE OFFICER OF THE HOLLYWOOD
REPORTER.
730
00:49:57,878 --> 00:50:00,165
NICE TO SEE YOU. I THINK THIS IS
A REALLY
731
00:50:00,167 --> 00:50:02,861
REVEALING STORY ABOUT HOW THE MEDIA
WORKS OR DOESN'T WORK AND
732
00:50:02,863 --> 00:50:06,211
WHAT RONAN FARROW THINKS ABOUT
THAT.
733
00:50:06,213 --> 00:50:07,953
YOU ALL PUBLISHED AWOODY ALLEN
FEATURE.
734
00:50:07,955 --> 00:50:24,266
HE AND OTHERS CRITICIZED FOR THE
SECOND YEAR IN A ROW HAD
735
00:50:24,268 --> 00:50:26,776
THE OPENING NIGHT FILM AT CANNES.
736
00:50:26,778 --> 00:50:31,863
ON SO IT WAS A LOGICAL CHOICE FOR
THE COVER.
737
00:50:31,865 --> 00:50:36,160
THE INTERVIEW MADE A LOT OF NEWS
FOR WHAT HE DID SAY, WHICH IS
738
00:50:36,162 --> 00:50:48,240
PART OF WHAT SPARKED RONAN. HE
TALKED ABOUT SIUN YI, AND
739
00:50:48,242 --> 00:50:52,479
TALKED ABOUT HIS COMPARTMENTABILITY,
WHAT HE
740
00:50:52,481 --> 00:50:59,632
WASN'T DIRECTLY ASKED ABOUT WAS,
THOUGH THE SCANDAL QUESTION, HE
741
00:50:59,634 --> 00:51:01,108
WAS NEVER DIRECTLY ASKED ABOUT
DILL TEND FARROW.
742
00:51:01,110 --> 00:51:05,124
WAS THAT A SHORTCOMING. THE WRITER,
A WONDERFUL
743
00:51:05,125 --> 00:51:10,100
REPORTER, HE WAS -- I HAVE I WAS
TALKING TO HIM YESTERDAY, AND HE
744
00:51:10,102 --> 00:51:15,380
SAID THE FRANTIC NATURE, THE PUBLICABIST
IS POPPING IN, YOU
745
00:51:15,382 --> 00:51:20,589
HAVE THREE MINUTES YES, HE WOULD
HAVE LIKED TO HAVE ASKED IT.
746
00:51:20,591 --> 00:51:23,897
DID HE FEEL HE COULD HAVE BECAUSE
OF PUBLICIST?
747
00:51:23,899 --> 00:51:29,402
NOT AT ALL. YOU INVITE HIM TO TAKE
AN
748
00:51:29,404 --> 00:51:30,643
ESS ESSAY.
749
00:51:30,645 --> 00:51:34,902
IT'S AN INCREDIBLE ESSAY ABOUT
HOW THE PRESS, BY BEING SILENT
750
00:51:34,904 --> 00:51:39,953
ABOUT THINKS ALLEGATIONS REALLY
HURTS DYLAN FARROW AND POSSIBLE
751
00:51:39,955 --> 00:51:43,262
VICTIMS OF SEX ABUSE. DO YOU AGREE
WITH HIS ASSESSMENT
752
00:51:43,264 --> 00:51:45,465
THAT THE PRESSES SOMETIMES COMPLICIT?
753
00:51:45,467 --> 00:51:49,400
I THINK THERE'S A PERCEPTION BECAUSE
WE HAD RONAN FARROW
754
00:51:49,402 --> 00:51:53,472
WRITE THIS PIECE WE AGREE WITH
EVERY SINGLE THING HE IS.
755
00:51:53,474 --> 00:51:55,491
WE ARE HAPPY TO BE THE MESSENGER.
756
00:51:55,493 --> 00:51:57,350
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS IMPORTANT
WAS TO OWN THE
757
00:51:57,352 --> 00:52:02,354
CONVERSATION SURROUNDING WOODY
ALLEN AND NOT LET OURSELVES BY
A
758
00:52:02,356 --> 00:52:03,713
BYSTANDING FOR SOMETHING WE STARTED.
759
00:52:03,715 --> 00:52:05,629
DOES THIS MEAN HAVING YOUR CAKE
AND EAT IT, TOO?
760
00:52:05,631 --> 00:52:10,205
NO, IT MEANS RECOGNIZING COVERING
WOOLY ALLEN PROBABLY
761
00:52:10,207 --> 00:52:12,482
MEANS COVERING ALL SIDES OF THE
STORY.
762
00:52:12,484 --> 00:52:17,595
I THOUGHT THE ESSAY WAS MAGNIFICENT,
AND WE DO AS
763
00:52:17,597 --> 00:52:23,325
INSTITUTIONS, WE DO TEND TO IGNORE
THESE VOICES OF SEXUAL
764
00:52:23,327 --> 00:52:27,907
ABUSE VICTIMS, WE TAKE THE WORDS
OF MORE POWERFUL MEN MORE
765
00:52:27,909 --> 00:52:33,63
SERIOUSLY THAN THE PEOPLE WHO ARE
THEIR ACCUSERS, AND DYLAN
766
00:52:33,65 --> 00:52:36,680
FARROW HAS MADE A COMPELLING CASE
THROUGH THE YEARS, THAT
767
00:52:36,682 --> 00:52:39,861
WOODIE ALLEN DOESN'T HELP HIMSELF
THROUGH THE MOVIES WHERE
768
00:52:39,863 --> 00:52:42,539
THERE ARE INAPPROPRIATE RELATIONSHIPS
WITH OLDER MEN AND
769
00:52:42,541 --> 00:52:45,868
YOUNGER WOMEN. HE HAS NOT HELPED
HIMSELF.
770
00:52:45,870 --> 00:52:51,68
HIS OWN COMMENTS ARE WEIRD AND
TROUBLING.
771
00:52:51,70 --> 00:52:54,988
YOU WOULD HAVE THOSE IN HOLLYWOOD
WHO WOULD ARGUE THAT
772
00:52:54,990 --> 00:52:59,537
LOTS OF PEOPLE SIGNED PETITIONS
FOR ROMAN POLANSKI, INCLUDING
773
00:52:59,539 --> 00:53:04,881
WOODY ALLEN THAT SOMEHOW YOU CAN
SEPARATE THE ART FROM THE
774
00:53:04,883 --> 00:53:07,401
PERSONAL BEHAVIOR OF THE PERSON
YOU'RE WRITING ABOUT.
775
00:53:07,403 --> 00:53:12,855
I THINK IN THE POST-COSBY ERA,
THIS NEVER WOULD HAVE HAPPENED
776
00:53:12,857 --> 00:53:18,437
HADN'T COSBY HAPPENED IN THE LAST
YEAR, WOODY HAD THE OPENING
777
00:53:18,439 --> 00:53:22,180
MOVIE LAST YEAR, GIVING A LIFETIME
ACHIEVEMENT AWARTS AT
778
00:53:22,182 --> 00:53:26,973
THE GOLDEN GLOBES AT NBC. AND BY
THE WAY A
779
00:53:26,975 --> 00:53:29,933
CORRESPONDENT WILL BE COVERING
THERE MORE.
780
00:53:29,935 --> 00:53:38,775
WHAT HAPPENS WHEN A PUBLICIST BANS
YOU.
781
00:53:38,777 --> 00:53:38,875
NOTHING. IT DOESN'T MATTER.
782
00:53:38,877 --> 00:53:44,26
THE FACT THAT HOYER FILM EDITOR
DIDN'T SIT NEXT TO WOODIE AL
783
00:53:44,28 --> 00:53:50,54
LISTEN MAKES NO DIFFERENCE HOW
WE COVER ANY OF HER CLIENTS
784
00:53:50,56 --> 00:53:55,517
GOING FORWARD. ON.
785
00:53:55,519 --> 00:54:02,273
IT DOES TELL US A BIT HOW HOLLYWOOD
WORKS, RIGHT?
786
00:54:02,275 --> 00:54:06,354
YES. SHE HAD TO MAKE A PUBLIC STANCE.
787
00:54:06,356 --> 00:54:10,876
THAT'S WHAT PUBLICISTS DO. THEY
ARE OUT THERE TO CREATE A
788
00:54:10,878 --> 00:54:14,630
NARRATIVE AROUND THEIR INFLUENCE
AROUND THEIR CLIENTS, AND LESLIE
789
00:54:14,632 --> 00:54:20,464
DART IS VERY INFLUENCE WALL, BUT
I THINK IT'S -- I CAN'T BELIEVE
790
00:54:20,466 --> 00:54:26,56
SHE WOULD KEEP HIM AS A CLIENT
IF SHE TRULY BELIEVED HE WAS A
791
00:54:26,58 --> 00:54:28,485
PEDOPHILE. JANIS, GREAT TO SEE
YOU.
792
00:54:28,487 --> 00:54:31,275
THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. UP NEXT,
"THE WASHINGTON
793
00:54:31,277 --> 00:54:35,182
POST," "NEW YORK TIMES" PUBLISHING
TOUGH INVESTIGATIONS
794
00:54:35,184 --> 00:54:36,556
DIGGING DEEP TO DONALD TRUMP'S
LIFE.
795
00:54:36,558 --> 00:54:41,988
SOME CRITICS ARE CALLING FOUL.
STJ A CASE OF LIBERAL BIAS OR
796
00:54:41,990 --> 00:54:42,758
THE PRESS DOING ITS JOB? RIGHT
AFTER THIS.
797
00:54:42,760 --> 00:55:31,229
THIS IS JOANNE.
798
00:55:31,231 --> 00:55:32,909
HER LONG DAY AS A HAIR
STYLIST STARTS
799
00:55:32,911 --> 00:55:34,611
WITH SHOULDER PAIN WHEN...
800
00:55:34,613 --> 00:55:35,612
HEY JOANNE,
801
00:55:35,614 --> 00:55:36,613
WANT TO TRADE THE ALL DAY RELIEF
802
00:55:36,614 --> 00:55:37,798
OF 2 ALEVE WITH 6 TYLENOL?
803
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:40,116
GIVE UP MY 2 ALEVE FOR 6 TYLENOL?
804
00:55:40,118 --> 00:55:41,135
NO THANKS.
805
00:55:41,136 --> 00:55:44,655
FOR ME... IT'S ALEVE.
806
00:55:44,656 --> 00:55:47,224
IT WAS ALL PENCIL AND PAPER. STARTED
OUT,
807
00:55:47,226 --> 00:55:49,158
THE SURFACE PRO IS VERY INTUITIVE.
808
00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:50,727
I CAN DRAW LIGHTLY,
809
00:55:50,729 --> 00:55:52,229
JUST LIKE I WOULD WITH A REAL PENCIL.
810
00:55:52,230 --> 00:55:54,498
I'VE BEEN A FORENSIC ARTIST FOR
OVER 30 YEARS.
811
00:55:54,500 --> 00:55:56,32
I DO THE COMPOSITE SKETCHES
812
00:55:56,34 --> 00:55:57,733
WHICH ARE THE BAD GUY SKETCHES.
813
00:55:57,735 --> 00:55:59,85
YOU NEED GOOD RESOLUTION,
814
00:55:59,87 --> 00:56:00,287
POWERFUL PROCESSOR
815
00:56:00,289 --> 00:56:02,39
BECAUSE THE COMPUTER HAS TO START
THINKING
816
00:56:02,41 --> 00:56:03,841
AS FAST AS MY BRAIN DOES.
817
00:56:03,843 --> 00:56:04,740
I DO THIS BECAUSE I WANT
818
00:56:04,742 --> 00:56:06,242
MY ARTWORK TO HELP PEOPLE.
819
00:56:06,244 --> 00:57:50,179
¶ NO, YOU'RE NOT ¶ YOGONNA WATCH
IT! ¶TCH IT! ¶
820
00:57:50,181 --> 00:57:56,520
¶ WE CAN'T LET YOU DOWNLOAD ON
THE GOOOOOO! ¶
821
00:57:56,521 --> 00:58:02,934
¶ YOU'LL JUST HAVE TO MISS IT!
822
00:58:02,936 --> 00:58:05,488
¶ YEAH, YOU'LL JUST HAVE TO MISS
IT! ¶
823
00:58:05,489 --> 00:58:07,274
¶ WE CAN'T LET YOU DOWNLOAD...
824
00:58:07,276 --> 00:58:10,287
UH, NO THANKS. I HAVE X1 FROM XFINITY
SO...
825
00:58:10,289 --> 00:58:12,19
DON'T FALL FOR DIRECTV.
826
00:58:12,20 --> 00:58:15,256
XFINITY LETS YOU DOWNLOAD
YOUR SHOWS FROM ANYWHERE.
827
00:58:15,258 --> 00:58:17,26
I USED TO LIKE THAT SONG.
828
00:58:17,28 --> 00:58:57,925
WOG WOG HAS 20 REPORTERS INVESTIGATELING
TRUMP'S PAST FOR
829
00:58:57,927 --> 00:59:02,159
A BOOK, AND "NEW YORK TIMES" OUT
WITH A STORY CROSSING THE LINE,
830
00:59:02,161 --> 00:59:05,125
HOW DONALD TRUMP BEHAVED WITH WOMEN
IN PRIVATE.
831
00:59:05,126 --> 00:59:08,316
HE'S LASHING OUT AT THE TIMES THIS
MORNING TWEETING THAT THE
832
00:59:08,318 --> 00:59:12,873
PAPER IS A FAILURE, AND SAYING
THAT EVERYONE IS LAUGHINGTY HIT
833
00:59:12,875 --> 00:59:16,356
PIECE. YOU SEE HIM SAYING THIS
KIND OF
834
00:59:16,358 --> 00:59:18,745
THING. THIS IS TYPICAL CRITICISM
FROM
835
00:59:18,747 --> 00:59:24,316
HIM, BUT ARE WE SEES THE PRESS
DOING WHAT PEOPLE WANTED THEM TO
836
00:59:24,318 --> 00:59:25,880
DO FOR NINE MONTHS. IF YOU'RE SOMEONE
LIKE "NEW YORK
837
00:59:25,882 --> 00:59:30,596
TIMES" OR "THE WASHINGTON POST,"
YOU SEE TRUMP RISING, BUT YOU'RE
838
00:59:30,598 --> 00:59:36,541
PREPARED FOR THE FACT IF HE'S THE
NOMINEE, YOU'VE GOT SIX MORE
839
00:59:36,543 --> 00:59:42,782
MONTHS YOU HAVE TO COVER HIM. NOW
IS THE TIME -- YOU'RE
840
00:59:42,784 --> 00:59:48,395
DEDICATING ALL YOUR RESOURCES TO
HILLARY CLINTON AND DONALD TR P
841
00:59:48,397 --> 00:59:50,222
DONALD TRUMP. THIS IS WHAT WE SHOULD
BE
842
00:59:50,224 --> 00:59:52,207
SEEING? I DO.
843
00:59:52,209 --> 00:59:55,820
I THINK SOME OF THE HISTORICAL
STUFF WILL PROBABLY NOT STICK
844
00:59:55,822 --> 00:59:58,494
VERY HARD. IT'S PRETTY CLEAR HE
WAS NOT
845
00:59:58,496 --> 01:00:01,665
LIVING HIS LIFE LIKE HE WAS RUNNING
FOR PRESIDENT 25 YEARS
846
01:00:01,667 --> 01:00:04,536
AGO. WE'RE OUT OF TIME,
847
01:00:04,538 --> 01:00:09,922
UNFORTUNATELY, BUT IT'S A GOOD
REMINDER WE'RE STARTING TO SEE
848
01:00:09,924 --> 01:00:18,266
SIX MORE TONS. "STUST UNION" STARTS
RIGHT NOW.
849
01:00:18,268 --> 01:00:20,747
TRUMP 2.0? THE OUTSIDER CANDIDATE
MAKES
850
01:00:20,749 --> 01:00:27,498
NICE WITH THE ESTABLISHMENT ON
CAPITOL HILL.
851
01:00:27,500 --> 01:00:30,130
I WAS VERY ENCOURAGED WITH WHAT
I HEARD FROM DONALD TRUMP.
852
01:00:30,132 --> 01:00:31,632
AND SEEMS TO BACK OFF HIS CONTROVERSIAL
MUSLIM BAN.
853
01:00:31,634 --> 01:00:33,854
I'M ALWAYS FLEXIBLE ON ISSUES.
854
01:00:33,856 --> 01:00:37,313
IS THE TRUMP STRATEGY SHIFTING?
855
01:00:37,315 --> 01:00:40,253
WE'LL ASK HIS TOP AIDE IN MINUTES.
856
01:00:40,255 --> 01:00:45,852
PLUS GHOSTS OF TRUMP PAST. HE'S
A GOOD GUY AND NOT GOING
857
01:00:45,854 --> 01:00:45,111
TO HURT ANYBODY. REPORTER: DID
THE PRESUMPTIVE
858
01:00:45,113 --> 01:00:50,881
REPUBLICAN NOMINEE REALLY POSE
AS HIS OWN PR AGENT?
859
01:00:50,883 --> 01:00:52,449
DOESN'T SOUND LIKE ME. REPORTER:
WILL THE TABLOID