1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:02,000 HE ONLY PLANET WITH LIFE IN THE 2 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:04,000 UNIVERSE WOULD BE INEXCUSABLY 3 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:05,000 BIGHEADED OF US. 4 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:06,000 THANKS TO ALL OF YOU FOR BEING 5 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:08,000 PART OF MY PROGRAM THIS WEEK. 6 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 I WILL SEE YOU NEXT WEEK. 7 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:18,000 >>> HEY, GOOD MORNING. 8 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:21,000 I'M BRIAN STELTER. THIS IS "RELIABLE SOURCES," OUR 9 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:22,000 WEEKLY LOOK AT THE STORY BEHIND 10 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:24,000 THE STORY, OF HOW NEWS AND POP 11 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:27,000 CULTURE REALLY GET MADE. 12 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:28,000 WE'RE COMING TO YOUR LIVE FROM 13 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:31,000 CNN'S LOS ANGELES BUREAU TODAY 14 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:32,000 WITH FRESH REPORTING ON THIS 15 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:35,000 WEEK'S HUGE FACEBOOK CONTROVERSY 16 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:37,000 AND AN INTERVIEW WITH NATE 17 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:38,000 SILVER. 18 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:39,000 HE'S FAMOUS MORE CORRECTLY 19 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:40,000 FORECASTING SO MANY ELECTIONS. 20 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:42,000 NOW SILVER IS BEING ASKED WHY HE 21 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:43,000 FAILED TO SEE DONALD TRUMP 22 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:44,000 COMING. 23 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:45,000 THAT'S AHEAD THIS HOUR. 24 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:46,000 PLUS DID YOU HEAR ABOUT THIS? 25 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:47,000 THE HOLLYWOOD REPORTER BANNED 26 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:50,000 FROM A WOODY ALLEN PRESS EVENT 27 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:52,000 AFTER PUBLISHING THIS SCATHING 28 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:53,000 COLUMN ABOUT ALLEN'S ALLEGED 29 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:55,000 ACTS OF SEXUAL ABUSE. 30 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:57,000 TOP EDITOR JANICE MIN IS HERE TO 31 00:00:57,000 --> 00:00:58,000 TAKE US BEHIND THE SCENES. 32 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:01,000 AND LATER, A VERY SPECIAL 33 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:04,000 INTERVIEW WITH THE ONE, THE ONLY 34 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:06,000 LARRY KING. BUT UP FIRST, A QUESTION WE ALL 35 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:08,000 NEED TO BE ASKING THIS ELECTION 36 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:10,000 SEASON. ARE MEMBERS OF THE NEWS MEDIA 37 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:12,000 HELPING TO PRODUCE THE TRUMP 38 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:14,000 SHOW? AND IS IT WARPING OUR DEMOCRATIC 39 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:15,000 PROCESS? 40 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:17,000 IT IS EASY MAYBE WAY TOO EASY 41 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:21,000 TO RELY ON REALITY TV TROEPS TO 42 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:22,000 DESCRIBE THIS ELECTION. 43 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:25,000 EVEN ONE OF TRUMP'S TOP AIDE'S 44 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:27,000 DID IT ON "HARDBALL" THE OTHER 45 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:30,000 DAY. HE WAS TALKING ABOUT THE 46 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:33,000 CONVENTION. I THOUGHT THIS QUOTE WAS 47 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:34,000 REVEALING. >> DO YOU HAVE MOVIES? 48 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:36,000 >> WE'RE GOING TO PUT A PROGRAM 49 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:37,000 TOGETHER. IT'S NOT PUT TOGETHER YET. 50 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:39,000 >> A REALITY SHOW OF SOME KIND? 51 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:42,000 >> THIS IS THE ULTIMATE REALITY 52 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:43,000 SHOW. IT'S THE PRESIDENCY OF THE 53 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:44,000 UNITED STATES. >> THE ULTIMATE REALITY SHOW. 54 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:49,000 I GUESS EVEN BIGGER THAN "THE 55 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:50,000 APPRENTICE." 56 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:52,000 THIS SHOW IS AIRING INGING ON EVERY 57 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:56,000 NEWS CHANNEL, HAPPENING 58 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:57,000 AFTERNOONON EVERY 59 00:01:57,000 --> 00:02:00,000 WEBSITE. I KNOW YOU AT HOME HAVE MIXED 60 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:01,000 REVIEWS. 61 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:02,000 WATCH THIS. 62 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:03,000 >> OUR NBC TEAM IS STAKING OUT 63 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:04,000 TODAY'S MEETING. 64 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:06,000 >> JUST ONE HOUR AWAY. 65 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:07,000 >> DONALD TRUMP AND PAUL RYAN 66 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:08,000 MEETING IN A FEW MINUTES. 67 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:09,000 >> HERE WE GO EVERYBODY. 68 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:10,000 >> TRUMP HAS JUST ARRIVED. 69 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:12,000 WE'RE GOING TO TAKE YOU THERE 70 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:14,000 LIVE. >> YOU SEE MR. TRUMP. 71 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:16,000 >> WE KNOW PAUL RYAN IS IN THE 72 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:18,000 BUILDING. WE KNOW DONALD TRUMP IS IN THE 73 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:19,000 BUILDING PRESUMABLY. 74 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:20,000 THEY'RE IN THE SAME ROOM TOGETHER. 75 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:21,000 >> THAT MEETING JUST WRAPPED. 76 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:23,000 KATY TUR, WHAT CAN YOU TELL US? 77 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:24,000 >> BASICALLY JUST THAT RIGHT 78 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:26,000 NOW. THE MEETING HAS WRAPPED UP. 79 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:27,000 >> THE SECOND MEETING DONALD 80 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:28,000 TRUMP IS HAVING HAS ENDED. 81 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:30,000 THOSE CHILDREN WERE NOT PART OF 82 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:31,000 THAT HAVE MEETING. 83 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:33,000 >> YEAH IT WAS GOOD TV AT 84 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:35,000 POINTS BUT WAS IT GOOD 85 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:36,000 JOURNALISM? WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT HOW EVERY 86 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:38,000 DAY THE STORY LINES OF THE SHOW 87 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:39,000 GET WILDER AND CRAZIER. 88 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:40,000 IT REALLY IS THE KIND OF STUFF 89 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:42,000 YOU SEE ON REALITY TV. 90 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:43,000 IN FACT ANOTHER REALITY TV STAR 91 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:46,000 WAS RECENTLY RECRUITED TO 92 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:47,000 CHALLENGE TRUMP. 93 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:49,000 MARK CUBAN FROM "SHARK TANK." 94 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:51,000 I TALKED TO HIM ABOUT THAT LAST 95 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:52,000 NIGHT. 96 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:53,000 I'LL SHOW YOU WHAT HE SAID IN A 97 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:55,000 MOMENT. TO LAY IT OUT HERE HOW SHOULD 98 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:56,000 JOURNALISTS HANDLE THIS FUSING 99 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:58,000 OF POLITICS AND ENTERTAINMENT? 100 00:02:58,000 --> 00:02:59,000 ARE WE RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS 101 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:00,000 REALITY SHOW NARRATIVE, AND ARE 102 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:02,000 WE CAPABLE OF RESISTING IT? 103 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:04,000 LET'S ASK OUR PANEL OF MEDIA 104 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:06,000 INSIDERS STARTING WITH 105 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:08,000 LONG-TIME POLITICAL ANALYST JEFF 106 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:09,000 GREENFIELD. 107 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:13,000 ALSO DYLAN BYERS AND BRIAN 108 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:15,000 LOWERY CNN'S SENIOR WRITER FROM 109 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:16,000 MEDIA. THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE. 110 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:18,000 JEFF LET ME GO TO YOU FIRST. 111 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:22,000 DO YOU THINK THIS IS THE 112 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:25,000 INEVITABLE CONCLUSION OF THE 113 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:26,000 MELDING OF TV AND POLITICS? 114 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:28,000 GO BACK TO THE FIRST TELEVISED 115 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:32,000 DEBATES AND HOW THAT CREATED A 116 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:33,000 NARRATIVE. 117 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:34,000 >> THE FIRST THING I HAVE TO SAY 118 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:36,000 IS LOOKING AT THAT 119 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:37,000 HYPERVENTILATION JON STEWART 120 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:39,000 MUST BE SORRY HE GAVE UP HIS 121 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:40,000 DAILY SHOW BECAUSE HE WAS AN 122 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:43,000 EXPERT IN PIERCING THAT. 123 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:45,000 TO YOUR POINT, AS SOON AS THE 124 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:48,000 FIRST DEBATE HAPPENED WITH 24 125 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:51,000 MILLION VIEWERS, EVERY NEWS 126 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:52,000 EXECUTIVE, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE 127 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:54,000 OLD CARTOONS SAW DOLLAR SIGNS IN 128 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:55,000 THEIR EYES. 129 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:57,000 THERE WAS A HUGE AUDIENCE PARTLY 130 00:03:57,000 --> 00:04:00,000 BECAUSE OF "THE APPRENTICE," 131 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:02,000 PARTLY BECAUSE TRUMP WAS SO 132 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:03,000 DIFFERENT FROM NORMAL 133 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:05,000 POLITICIANS. WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE MEDIA, 134 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:08,000 IT'S WAY TOO BROAD. 135 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:09,000 THERE WERE SHARP CRITICISMS OF 136 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:10,000 TRUMP FROM THE BEGINNING. 137 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:11,000 THERE WERE OTHERS WHO JUST 138 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:14,000 ROLLED OVER AND LET HIM HAVE HIS 139 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:15,000 WAY. 140 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:16,000 WITHOUT THE POLITICAL 141 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:18,000 DISCONTENT PARTICULARLY WITHIN 142 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:19,000 THE REPUBLICAN BASE ALL THE 143 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:20,000 REALITY TELEVISION IN THE WORLD 144 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:23,000 WOULDN'T HAVE MADE A DIFFERENCE. 145 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:25,000 IT HELPED. 146 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:26,000 IT WAS A FUEL. 147 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:29,000 BUT THE FUNDAMENTAL PART OF THIS FIRE WAS LIT BY THE DISCONTENT 148 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:31,000 AMONG LARGE NUMBERS OF THE 149 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:32,000 REPUBLICAN PARTY WITH HOW THEIR 150 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:33,000 LIVES WERE GOING AND HOW THEIR 151 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:36,000 PARTY WAS HANDLING THAT. 152 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:40,000 >> LET ME GO TO BRIAN LOWERY ON 153 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:41,000 THIS. YOU'VE BEEN COVERING THE 154 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:43,000 TELEVISION BUSINESS FOR DECADES. 155 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:46,000 YOU COVERED "THE APPRENTICE" 156 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:48,000 WHEN DONALD TRUMP WAS ON. NOW ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER IS 157 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:50,000 ABOUT TO TAKE OVER. DO YOU THINK SOME OF THE 158 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:52,000 COVERAGE KIND OF COMES ACROSS AS 159 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:54,000 ENTERTAINMENT? HAS THERE BEEN AN IRRESPONSIBLE 160 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:55,000 BLURRING OF THE LINES BETWEEN 161 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:58,000 NEWS AND ENTERTAINMENT IN THIS 162 00:04:58,000 --> 00:04:59,000 ELECTION PSYCHCYCLE IN PARTICULAR? 163 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:01,000 >> ABSOLUTELY IT COMES ACROSS AS 164 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:02,000 ENTERTAINMENT. 165 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:07,000 THERE'S A STRONG PRECEDENT FOR 166 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:09,000 IT. 167 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:11,000 I THINK THE MEDIA CERTAINLY 168 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:13,000 SHOULD BE DOING SOME SOUL SEARCHING ABOUT THIS. 169 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:14,000 YET -- >> ABOUT WHAT IN PARTICULAR? 170 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:15,000 >> ABOUT THE NOTION OF COVERING 171 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:18,000 IT AS A REALITY SHOW. 172 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:21,000 TO BE HONEST WHEN THE CAMPAIGN 173 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:23,000 IS BEING CONDUCTED VERY MUCH 174 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:25,000 LIKE A REALITY SHOW IT'S NOT 175 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:26,000 SURPRISING OR NECESSARILY 176 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:27,000 INAPPROPRIATE THAT IT WOULD BE 177 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:29,000 COVERED THAT WAY. 178 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:31,000 >> YOU BRING UP THE IDEA IT'S 179 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:32,000 VERY DIFFERENT FROM ANY OTHER 180 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:34,000 CAMPAIGN WE'VE SEEN. 181 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:35,000 I THINK THIS WHOLE ISSUE OF A 182 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:37,000 FAKE SPOKESMAN IS AN EXAMPLE. 183 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:39,000 DYLAN, YOU WERE RIGHT ABOUT THIS 184 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:41,000 ON FRIDAY. PRETTY CLEARLY TRUMP IS THE ONE 185 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:42,000 ON THE PHONE. 186 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:43,000 WE'RE HEARING PEOPLE NOW SAY 187 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:45,000 THAT MAYBE IT WAS MADE UP THAT 188 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:46,000 HE WAS IMPERSONATED BUT THERE'S 189 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:47,000 NO EVIDENCE OF THAT. 190 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:49,000 THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF A REALITY 191 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:52,000 SHOW TYPE BEHAVIOR. >> YEAH NO TOTALLY. 192 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:54,000 IT'S HIM MANIPULATING THE MOO ED 193 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:55,000 YA AND IT'S HIM TRYING TO CALL 194 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:59,000 THE SHOTS AT EVERY STAGE OF THIS 195 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:02,000 CAMPAIGN. YOU KNOW LOOK I THINK JEFF 196 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:03,000 MADE A COUPLE REALLY GOOD 197 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:05,000 POINTS ONE OF WHICH IS WE HAVE 198 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:07,000 TO THINK ABOUT THERE ARE DIFFERENT KINDS OF MEDIA. 199 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:08,000 THE MOST -- I THINK THE ONE 200 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:10,000 THAT'S COVERED THIS THE MOST 201 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:11,000 LIKE A REALITY SHOW IS 202 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:12,000 TELEVISION MEDIA. 203 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:13,000 THERE ARE ACTUALLY PRECEDENTS 204 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:15,000 GOING BACK IN THE HISTORY OF 205 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:16,000 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGNS THAT HAVE 206 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:18,000 BEEN BUILDING US UP TO THIS 207 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:21,000 POINT. GO BACK TO 1960 AND THE 208 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:24,000 KENNEDY/NIXON DEBATES, BUT THE 209 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:27,000 RECOUNT IN FLORIDA IN 2000 WAS A 210 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:29,000 HUGE MEDIA MOMENT. 211 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:31,000 THE OBAMA V. HILLARY, THE SARAH 212 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:33,000 PALIN 2008 HUGE MEDIA MOMENT. 213 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:35,000 WE HAVE BEEN BUILDING UP TO A 214 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:37,000 POINT AT WHICH MEDIA AND 215 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:38,000 POLITICS COALESCE AND BECOME THE 216 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:40,000 SAME THING. IF YOU LOOK BACK AT DONALD 217 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:41,000 TRUMP'S CAMPAIGN AND LOOK BACK 218 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:43,000 AT THE 2016 ELECTION YOU'RE NOT 219 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:44,000 LOOKING AT A POLITICAL CAMPAIGN 220 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:46,000 SO MUCH AS A MEDIA CAMPAIGN. 221 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:48,000 EVERYTHING HE HAS DONE HAS BEEN 222 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:51,000 ABOUT MANIPULATING MEDIA, ABOUT 223 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:54,000 SORT OF NAVIGATING MEDIA IN 224 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:55,000 ORDER TO -- >> RIGHT, BUT WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT IN ORDER TO 225 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:56,000 UNDERSTAND HIS CAMPAIGN. 226 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:57,000 TO THAT POINT, THERE WAS THIS 227 00:06:57,000 --> 00:06:58,000 INTERESTING STORY ON FRIDAY 228 00:06:58,000 --> 00:06:59,000 ABOUT THE SHEER VOLUME OF NEWS 229 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:01,000 COVERAGE OF TRUMP BEING A 230 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:02,000 FACTOR. THINK ABOUT JUST WHAT HAPPENED 231 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:03,000 ON THURSDAY AND FRIDAY. 232 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:04,000 THERE WERE A DOZEN STORY LINES 233 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:05,000 ABOUT TRUMP. 234 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:07,000 HIS BUTLER SOUNDING LIKE A 235 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:08,000 RACIST. TRUMP FLIP-FLOPPING ON TAXES. 236 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:11,000 HIS SEEMINGLY PLAY ACTING AS HIS 237 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:12,000 OWN SPOKESMAN. 238 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:14,000 "THE NEW YORK TIMES" WROTE ABOUT 239 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:15,000 THIS ON FRIDAY. 240 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:18,000 HOW MUCH BAD PRESS DOES IT TAKE 241 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:21,000 TO COST DONALD TRUMP A NEWS 242 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:22,000 CYCLE? GABRIEL CONCLUDED THAT TRUMP 243 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:23,000 WON. 244 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:24,000 THE CLINTON CAMPAIGN PRESS 245 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:25,000 SECRETARY TOOK EXCEPTION TO 246 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:29,000 THIS. HE TWEETED AT ME AND WROTE THIS. 247 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:31,000 MARK US DOWN AS FEELING CONFIDENT TRUMP DID NOT WIN THE 248 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:32,000 DAY. 249 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:35,000 IT'S NIHILIST TO EQUATE LYING 250 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:36,000 NONSTOP WITH WINNING. 251 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:38,000 DON'T YOU THINK THERE'S SPLG TO 252 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:39,000 THIS IDEA THAT TRUMP SATURATES 253 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:40,000 THE NEWS WORLD? 254 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:42,000 HE HAS SO MANY STORY LINES GOING 255 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:43,000 ON SIMULTANEOUSLY. 256 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:45,000 IF SOMETHING NEGATIVE IS GOING 257 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:46,000 ON, HE CREATES A NEW STORY LINE. 258 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:47,000 DON'T WE HAVE TO ACKNOWLEDGE 259 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:49,000 THAT MAYBE THE CLINTON CAMPAIGN 260 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:50,000 FACES A PROBLEM BECAUSE TRUMP IS 261 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:53,000 PLAYING THIS DIFFERENT KIND OF 262 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:54,000 MEDIA GAME? 263 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:57,000 >> YEAH AND FOR ME THE 264 00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:01,000 FUNDAMENTAL QUESTION HERE IS ARE 265 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:02,000 ALL OF THE ASSUMPTIONS PEOPLE 266 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:04,000 LIKE ME HAVE MADE ABOUT THIS 267 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:06,000 PROCESS SOMEHOW BEEN RENDERED 268 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:09,000 INOPERATIVE? THAT IS STARTING WITH TRUMP'S 269 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:11,000 FIRST COMMENT ABOUT JOHN McCAIN 270 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:12,000 WAY BACK LAST SPRING OR SUMMER 271 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:14,000 WHERE A LOT OF US ASSUMED, WELL 272 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:16,000 THAT'S THE JOE McCARTHY MOMENT. 273 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:17,000 HE'S DOOMED. 274 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:20,000 THERE'S SOMETHING. AND THIS IS WHAT I SAID EARLIER. 275 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:21,000 THERE'S SOMETHING ABOUT HOW 276 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:24,000 TRUMP SUPPORTERS RESPOND TO THIS 277 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:25,000 WHERE THE QUESTION HAS BEEN 278 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:27,000 ASKED IS WHAT WOULD IT TAKE FOR 279 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:32,000 THEM TO SAY, GEE, MAYBE I'M 280 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:33,000 WRONG. WE MAY BE IN A SITUATION THAT 281 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:35,000 HAS CHANGED EVERY RULE ABOUT HOW 282 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:36,000 WE THINK THE PRESS WORKS AND 283 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:38,000 WHAT THE IMPACT THE PRESS 284 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:40,000 COVERAGE -- I MEAN, CRITICAL 285 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:44,000 PRESS COVERAGE IS. 286 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:47,000 >> DO YOU THINK THE RULES WERE, 287 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:49,000 IN EFFECT, SO TO SPEAK, IN 2008 288 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:50,000 OR WERE THE RULES NEVER REALLY 289 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:51,000 IN EFFECT AT ALL? 290 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:54,000 OH THAT'S GOING TO RUIN MITT 291 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:55,000 ROMNEY, THAT'S GOING TO HURT JAN 292 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:56,000 McCAIN, THAT'S GOING TO RUIN 293 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:57,000 BARACK OBAMA. 294 00:08:57,000 --> 00:08:59,000 WERE THEY NEVER RULES A THE ALL, 295 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:01,000 JEFF? >> THAT'S THE POINT. 296 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:05,000 IN THE PAST, CRITICAL STORIES HAVE HAD CRITICAL IMPACT. 297 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:08,000 SO THIS NOTION THAT DONALD TRUMP HAS GOT $1.9 BILLION OF FREE 298 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:09,000 PUBLICITY, IN MY VIEW IS WAY 299 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:10,000 OFF THE MARK. 300 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:12,000 A LOT OF THE COVERAGE EVEN 301 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:13,000 EARLY, WAS HIGHLY CRITICAL THE 302 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:15,000 KIND OF COVERAGE THAT WOULD HAVE 303 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:16,000 UPENDED ANY OTHER CAMPAIGN. 304 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:18,000 ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT 500 305 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:20,000 MEDIA CONFERENCES WILL BE ASKING 306 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:21,000 IN THE YEARS TO COME IT'S FULL 307 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:23,000 EMPLOYMENT FOR FOLKS LIKE YOU, 308 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:24,000 BRIAN, BELIEVE ME IS WHAT IS 309 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:27,000 DIFFERENT ABOUT THIS YEAR THAT 310 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:30,000 THE NORMAL IMPACT OF VERY SHARP 311 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:31,000 NEGATIVE STORIES DOES NOT SO FAR 312 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:33,000 SEEM TO HAVE AN IMPACT. 313 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:34,000 OTHER THAN HIS HIGH 314 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:35,000 UNFAVORABILITY RATINGS. 315 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:39,000 WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO WAIT 316 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:40,000 UNTIL NOVEMBER. 317 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:41,000 >> I THINK PART OF THE ANSWER TO 318 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:43,000 THAT DYLAN, IS THAT TRUMP SAYS 319 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:44,000 THE MEDIA IS DISHONEST. 320 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:45,000 DON'T BELIEVE WHAT YOU READ. 321 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:46,000 EVEN THIS MORNING ON TWITTER HE 322 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:49,000 WAS TELLING HIS SUPPORTERS DO 323 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:50,000 NOT BELIEVE US. 324 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:52,000 >> THIS GETS TO A KEY POINT, AND 325 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:53,000 I DON'T THINK IT'S ONE WE'VE 326 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:55,000 SPENT ENOUGH TIME TALKING ABOUT. 327 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:56,000 THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT REALITY 328 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:57,000 SHOWS. THERE WAS THE REPUBLICAN PRIMARY 329 00:09:57,000 --> 00:09:58,000 REALITY SHOW. 330 00:09:58,000 --> 00:09:59,000 NOW THERE'S THE GENERAL ELECTION 331 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:00,000 REALITY SHOW. 332 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:01,000 WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH A 333 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:02,000 REPUBLICAN PRIMARY AUDIENCE 334 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:04,000 YOU'RE DEALING WITH A LOT OF 335 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:05,000 VOTERS OUT THERE WHO HATE THE 336 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:07,000 SYSTEM WHO HATE THE 337 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:09,000 ESTABLISHMENT, WHO REALLY DON'T 338 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:10,000 CARE WHETHER OR NOT THE MEDIA IS 339 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:11,000 CRITICAL OF DONALD TRUMP IN ALL 340 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:14,000 THIS COVERAGE OR SAYS HE'S LYING 341 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:15,000 OR NOT TELLING THE TRUTH. 342 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:16,000 THEY JUST LIKE DONALD TRUMP AND 343 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:17,000 LIKE THE SPECTACLE OF DONALD 344 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:19,000 TRUMP. THE GENERAL ELECTION AUDIENCE IS 345 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:22,000 A MUCH DIFFERENT AUDIENCE. 346 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:23,000 IT'S ONE WHERE YOU HAVE NEGATIVE 347 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:24,000 RATINGS AMONG WOMEN AT 70%, 348 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:26,000 NEGATIVE RATINGS AMONG 349 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:27,000 AFRICAN-AMERICANS AND HISPANICS 350 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:29,000 AT HIGHER NUMBERS. THOSE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE 351 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:30,000 LOOKING AT THE COVERAGE. 352 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:34,000 ON A DAY WHEN DONALD TRUMP IS 353 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:35,000 OFFENDING THE NATION THAT'S NOT 354 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:36,000 DONALD TRUMP WINNING THE NEWS 355 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:37,000 CYCLE FOR THEM. 356 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:38,000 THAT'S YET ANOTHER REMINDER THAT 357 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:39,000 THEY'RE NOT GOING TO VOTE FOR 358 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:40,000 THIS GUY. 359 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:45,000 >> SPEAKING OF NEGATIVISM WITH 360 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:51,000 WOMEN, THAT'S WHY THE MEGYN 361 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:58,000 KELLY INTERVIEW IS COMING UP. 362 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:00,000 MARK CUBAN WAS RECRUITED TO RUN 363 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:02,000 AS A THIRD-PARTY CANDIDATE, BUT 364 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:04,000 HE SAYS I CAN'T DO IT IT WOULD 365 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:06,000 HAVE BEEN FUN, BUT HE ALSO HINTS 366 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:07,000 MAYBE THERE'S A CHANCE IN THE 367 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:08,000 FUTURE. 368 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:10,000 I THINK THE TIME IS RIGHT FOR A 369 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:11,000 TECHNOLOGY LITERAL ENTREPRENEUR 370 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:13,000 TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT. THE ISSUE FOR ANY SUCH CANDIDATE 371 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:14,000 IS THAT THE PROCESS IS BROKEN. 372 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:16,000 IT'S A CIRCUS RATHER THAN A 373 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:18,000 LEARNING PROCESS FOR ALL 374 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:19,000 INVOLVED. 375 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:21,000 SO THIS AMAZED ME BRIAN. 376 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:22,000 HERE'S THE REALITY TV STAR 377 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:24,000 SAYING THE POLITICAL PROCESS IS 378 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:25,000 BROKEN. 379 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:26,000 HIS POINT ABOUT THE ELECTION 380 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:27,000 THIS TIME IS IT'S TOO LATE TO 381 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:30,000 RUN AS A THIRD PARTY, PROBABLY 382 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:32,000 WOULDN'T WIN ANYWAY. DO YOU THINK WE'LL SEE MARK 383 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:33,000 CUBAN TYPE CANDIDATES IN THE 384 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:35,000 FUTURE? >> I DON'T THINK YOU CAN 385 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:36,000 DISCOUNT THE PERFORMANCE QUALITY 386 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:38,000 TRUMP HAS BROUGHT TO THIS. IT'S ONE OF THE THINGS HE'S BEEN 387 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:41,000 ABLE TO DO THROUGHOUT THE CAMPAIGN WHICH IS HE CAN SAY 388 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:42,000 THINGS WHICH ARE OUTLANDISH 389 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:44,000 BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY A TROEP OF 390 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:45,000 REALITY TV WHICH IS THAT YOU 391 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:47,000 PLAY THE GAME YOU SAY WHAT YOU 392 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:49,000 NEED TO WIN, AND THEN EVERYBODY 393 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:50,000 CAN BE HUGS AFTER THE BOARDROOM 394 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:52,000 AND TRIBAL COUNCIL. 395 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:53,000 THAT'S REALLY WHAT'S BEEN GOING 396 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:58,000 ON. IF YOU SEE IT THERE'S OFTEN A 397 00:11:58,000 --> 00:11:59,000 PIVOT AS SOON AS SOMEONE DROPS 398 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:00,000 OUT OF THE RACE. 399 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:03,000 I REALLY LIKED LITTLE MARCO, BUT 400 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:04,000 I WAS JUST TRYING TO BEAT HIM. 401 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:06,000 IF YOU'VE WATCHED ENOUGH REALITY 402 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:07,000 TV AND I'VE WATCHED MORE THAN 403 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:09,000 IS HEALTHY OVER THE YEARS, 404 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:10,000 PEOPLE TALK ALL THE TIME ABOUT 405 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:11,000 PLAYING THE GAME. 406 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:12,000 YOU PLAY THE GAME TO WIN. 407 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:14,000 TRUMP IS VERY CLEARLY PLAYING 408 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:16,000 THE GAME. >> IT'S HELPFUL TO THINK ABOUT 409 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:17,000 THAT REALITY TV LANGUAGE WHEN WE 410 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:18,000 APPLY IT TO THIS CAMPAIGN. 411 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:20,000 >> MARK CUBAN IS ALSO PLAYING 412 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:21,000 THE GAME HERE. 413 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:22,000 WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MARK CUBAN 414 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:24,000 RIGHT NOW. HE JUST BOUGHT HIMSELF A DAY, 415 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:27,000 MAYBE A FEW DAYS OF FREE PRESS. 416 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:28,000 JUST BAY SAYING HE'S NOT GOING 417 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:30,000 TO RUN. 418 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:32,000 >> THAT IS TRUE. HE WON'T SAY WHO WAS RECRUITING 419 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:33,000 HIM. PROBABLY BILL CRYSTAL. 420 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:34,000 >> OR HIS AGENT. 421 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:38,000 >> DYLAN, BRIAN, STICK AROUND IF 422 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:39,000 YOU CAN. 423 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:40,000 JEFF THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. 424 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:42,000 >>> COMING UP DID YOU SEE THIS 425 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:44,000 STORY TRENDING ON FACEBOOK? 426 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:47,000 AN EXPLOSIVE STORY ALLEGING THAT 427 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:48,000 FACEBOOK SUPPRESSED CONSERVATIVE 428 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:49,000 NEWS STORIES. 429 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:51,000 PROOF THAT FACEBOOK HAS TOO MUCH 430 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:52,000 POWER? I'LL TELL YOU WHY THIS REPORT 431 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:53,000 SHOULD ALARM AND IMPACT EVERYONE 432 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:55,000 IN MEDIA DESPITE YOUR POLITICAL 433 00:12:55,000 --> 00:13:00,000 PERSUASION RIGHT AFTER THIS. 434 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:11,000 This is Brad. His day of coaching 435 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:13,000 begins with knee pain, when... 436 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:14,000 Hey Brad, wanna trade the all day 437 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:16,000 relief of two Aleve for six Tylenol? 438 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:17,000 What's the catch? There's no catch. 439 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:19,000 You want me to give up my two Aleve 440 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:23,000 for six Tylenol? No. For my knee pain 441 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:28,000 nothing beats my Aleve. 442 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:36,000 >>> WHAT'S THE MOST POWERFUL 443 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:37,000 NAME IN NEWS? 444 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:40,000 YOU MIGHT SAY CNN OR FOX NEWS OR THE AP OR THE BBC, BUT I WOULD 445 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:41,000 SAY IT'S FACEBOOK. 446 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:44,000 NOT BECAUSE FACEBOOK DOES ANY 447 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:45,000 ACTUAL REPORTING, BUT BECAUSE 448 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:47,000 IT'S THE SINGLE BIGGEST SOCIAL 449 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:48,000 NETWORK ON THE PLANET. 450 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:49,000 IT'S WHERE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS 451 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:52,000 OF PEOPLE SEE LOTS OF LINKS TO 452 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:53,000 NEWS. IN FACT, FACEBOOK IS THE SINGLE 453 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:55,000 BIGGEST SOURCE OF TRAFFIC FOR 454 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:56,000 MANY SITES. 455 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:57,000 SITES EITHER THRIVE OR WITHER 456 00:16:57,000 --> 00:16:58,000 AWAY BECAUSE OF FACEBOOK. 457 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:00,000 THAT'S WHY THIS NEXT STORY IS SO 458 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:01,000 CONCERNING. FACEBOOK IS ON THE DEFENSIVE 459 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:03,000 THIS WEEK AFTER AN EXPLOSIVE 460 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:08,000 REPORT BY THE TECH BLOG DIZGIZMODO. 461 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:14,000 THE TRENDING TOPICS BOX, THAT IT 462 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:16,000 WAS SOMETIMES MANIPULATED TO 463 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:19,000 SUPPRESS CONSERVATIVE NEWS STORIES AND INJECT OTHER NEWS 464 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:20,000 STORIES, FOR EXAMPLE, BLACK 465 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:21,000 LIVES MATTER PROTEST NEWS. 466 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:22,000 NOW, OTHER FORMER WORKERS DENY 467 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:23,000 THESE CLAIMS. 468 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:25,000 IT'S IMPORTANT TO SAY THERE'S NO 469 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:27,000 PROOF AND THESE WERE ONLY 470 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:28,000 ANONYMOUS CLAIMS. 471 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:29,000 BUT THAT SINGLE SPARK ON MONDAY 472 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:31,000 STARTED A HUGE FIRE. 473 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:33,000 BY THE END OF THE WEEK CEO MARK 474 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:35,000 ZUCKERBERG HAD TO WEIGH IN. 475 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:36,000 HE WROTE A POST ABOUT THIS 476 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:37,000 SAYING WE'VE FOUND NO EVIDENCE 477 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:39,000 THIS REPORT IS TRUE AND IF WE 478 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:41,000 FIND ANYTHING AGAINST OUR 479 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:43,000 PRINCIPLES YOU HAVE MY 480 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:44,000 COMMITMENT WE WILL TAKE 481 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:45,000 ADDITIONAL STEPS TO ADDRESS IT. 482 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:48,000 I'M TOLD BY A SPOKESMAN AT 483 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:50,000 FACEBOOK THAT GLENN BECK HAS 484 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:52,000 BEEN INVITED TO A MEETING WITH 485 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:54,000 ZUCKERBERG OTHERS AS WELL 486 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:56,000 CONSERVATIVE THOUGHT LEADERS WHO WILL BE MEETING WITH THE CEO. 487 00:17:56,000 --> 00:18:00,000 LET'S GO BACK TO WHAT ZUCKERBERG 488 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:03,000 SAID. HE SAID PRINCIPLES. WHAT ARE FACEBOOK'S NEWS 489 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:04,000 PRINCIPLES? 490 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:06,000 HOW CAN WE TRUST IT TO WIELD 491 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:07,000 THAT POWER RESPONSIBLY? 492 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:09,000 MY NEXT TWO GUESTS HAVE SOME 493 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:10,000 ANSWERS TO THAT. 494 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:12,000 KELLY McBRIDE IS AT THE POINTER 495 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:15,000 INSTITUTE. MOLLY HEMINGWAY IS FROM "THE 496 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:16,000 FEDERALIST." 497 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:17,000 THANK YOU BOTH FOR BEING HERE. 498 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:18,000 MOLLY, LET ME START WITH YOU. 499 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:19,000 WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF AN 500 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:20,000 EXTRAORDINARY ELECTION SEASON 501 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:22,000 AND HERE'S THIS REPORT THAT 502 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:23,000 FACEBOOK MIGHT BE BURYING NEWS 503 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:25,000 FAVORABLE TO CONSERVATIVES. 504 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:26,000 A, DO YOU BELIEVE IT? 505 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:28,000 B, WHAT ARE THE RAMIFICATIONS 506 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:29,000 FOR A WEBSITE LIKE YOURS? 507 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:30,000 >> I THINK THE REASON WHY THIS 508 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:32,000 STORY RESONATED SO MUCH IS THAT 509 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:34,000 IT CONFIRMED THE SUSPICIONS THAT 510 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:36,000 SO MANY CONSERVATIVES AND 511 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:37,000 CONSERVATIVE MEDIA OUTLETS HAD 512 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:39,000 GOING BACK QUITE SOME TIME ABOUT 513 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:40,000 SUPPRESSION OF CONSERVATIVE NEWS 514 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:43,000 STORIES AND SITES AND ALSO 515 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:44,000 ELEVATION OF OTHER TOPICS. 516 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:45,000 WE'VE CERTAINLY EXPERIENCED THIS 517 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:46,000 AT "THE FEDERALIST," NOT JUST IN 518 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:49,000 TERMS OF THE TRENDING TOPICS 519 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:50,000 ISSUE BUT OTHER SUPPRESSION WHERE STORIES THAT ARE 520 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:52,000 COMPLETELY ACADEMIC ARE DEEMED 521 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:53,000 UNSAFE. WE HAD A STORY ON TRIGGER 522 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:55,000 WARNINGS AND MICROAGGRESSIONS 523 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:56,000 THAT COULDN'T BE POSTED BECAUSE 524 00:18:56,000 --> 00:19:00,000 IT WAS DEEMED UNSAFE, WHICH WAS 525 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:01,000 RIDICULOUS 526 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:02,000 RIDICULOUS 527 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:03,000 RIDICULOUS. OR PERHAPS THE WORST EXAMPLE WAS 528 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:05,000 WHEN THE PLANNED PARENTHOOD 529 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:06,000 STORY BROKE AND WENT VIRAL 530 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:08,000 WITHIN MINUTES. IT TOOK A LONG TIME FOR FACEBOOK 531 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:09,000 TO ACKNOWLEDGE THIS WAS A 532 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:10,000 TRENDING TOPIC. WHEN THEY DID, THEY DIDN'T LINK 533 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:12,000 TO THE CONSERVATIVE SITES THAT 534 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:13,000 WERE BREAKING THE NEWS AND DOING 535 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:14,000 THE INVESTIGATIONS. 536 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:16,000 THEY LINKED TO A FEW PLAN THE 537 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:18,000 PARENTHOOD SPONSORED ITEMS 538 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:20,000 INSTEAD. THAT REALLY AFFECTS THE WAY 539 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:21,000 PUBLIC OPINION CAN BE SHAPED AND 540 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:24,000 HOW OTHER MEDIA FIGURES RESPOND. 541 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:27,000 SO THIS IS NOT A HEALTHY THING, 542 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:29,000 PARTICULARLY SINCE THEY PRESENT THIS TRENDING TOPIC THING AS IF 543 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:31,000 IT'S JUST AN ALGORITHM AND IF 544 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:32,000 THEY'RE NEUTRAL. 545 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:34,000 >> YEAH THE EYE-OPENING PART OF 546 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:36,000 THIS THIS WEEK WAS THE 547 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:38,000 TRENDING TOPICS IS REVIEWED BY 548 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:41,000 EDITORS. KELLY, LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT 549 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:42,000 THIS. THERE'S GOOD REASONS TO HAVE 550 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:45,000 EDITORS. FACEBOOK EDITORS CAN TAKE AWAY 551 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:46,000 SPAM AND SCAM AND HOAXES AND 552 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:48,000 HELP NOT GET PEOPLE MISLED. 553 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:49,000 IF THEY'RE ALSO REMOVING OR DOWN 554 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:51,000 PLAYING STORIES, LINKS TO SITES 555 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:54,000 LIKE THE FEDERALIST THAT CAN BE 556 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:56,000 A REAL PROBLEM AND CAN GO RIGHT TO THE HEART OF FACEBOOK'S 557 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:57,000 CREDIBILITY. 558 00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:58,000 BUT THESE WORDS LIKE CREDIBILITY 559 00:19:58,000 --> 00:19:59,000 AND EDITORS, THEY'RE NOT WORDS 560 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:00,000 THAT FACEBOOK IS USED TO BECAUSE 561 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:02,000 FACEBOOK SAYS IT'S JUST A 562 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:04,000 PLATFORM. >> RIGHT. 563 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:06,000 FACEBOOK SEES ITSELF AS A 564 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:10,000 TECHNOLOGY COMPANY, AS A SOCIAL 565 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:15,000 MEDIA PLATFORM WHEN IN FACT 566 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:16,000 THEY'RE DOING THE WORK OF 567 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:19,000 JOURNALISM IN DISTRIBUTING 568 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:20,000 JOURNALISM TO THE MASSES. 569 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:22,000 FOR FACEBOOK THIS IS A TURNING 570 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:23,000 POINT. THEY'RE ASKING THEMSELVES 571 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:25,000 QUESTIONS AS A COMPANY ABOUT WHAT THEIR RESPONSIBILITIES ARE. 572 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:27,000 EVERY TIME YOU ASK FACEBOOK IN 573 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:30,000 THE PAST ABOUT THEIR OBLIGATIONS 574 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:31,000 TO DEMOCRACY AND TO THE 575 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:34,000 MARKETPLACE OF IDEAS, THEY'VE 576 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:35,000 ALWAYS HAD THE RIGHT ANSWERS. 577 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:37,000 BUT PROACTIVELY, THEY HAVEN'T 578 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:40,000 HAD ANY OF THE POLICIES THAT 579 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:42,000 COMPANIES LIKE NEWS COMPANIES 580 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:45,000 HAVE HAD IN PLACE, POLICIES OF 581 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:47,000 TRANSPARENCY, POLICIES OF 582 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:48,000 ACCOUNTABILITY TO THE PUBLIC 583 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:50,000 AND NOW I THINK THEY'RE AT A 584 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:51,000 CRITICAL POINT WHERE THEY'RE 585 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:53,000 ASKING THEMSELVES SOME QUESTIONS 586 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:55,000 ABOUT WHETHER THEY NEED THOSE 587 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:56,000 POLICIES. 588 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:57,000 THE STATEMENT THAT FACEBOOK PUT 589 00:20:57,000 --> 00:21:00,000 OUT THIS WEEK WAS THE MOST 590 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:01,000 TRANSPARENT I'VE EVER SEEN 591 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:03,000 FACEBOOK ABOUT ANY OF THEIR 592 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:05,000 POLICIES AND IT WAS A REALLY 593 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:07,000 GOOD FIRST STEP. 594 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:09,000 >> YEAH I THINK IT'S STILL 595 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:10,000 PRETTY MUCH -- STILL VERY 596 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:12,000 OPAQUE. YOU'RE RIGHT, THEY'V BEEN A 597 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:13,000 LITTLE MORE TRANSPARENT, BUT 598 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:14,000 THERE'S STILL SO MUCH WE DON'T 599 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:15,000 KNOW. IT'S CONCERNING BECAUSE FACEBOOK 600 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:17,000 IS SO DARN BIG. 601 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:18,000 WE SHOULD MENTION HERE THE 602 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:19,000 COMPANY ALSO HAS BIG 603 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:21,000 RELATIONSHIPS WITH LOTS OF NEWS 604 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:22,000 COMPANIES. THEY HAVE A NEW PRODUCT CALLED 605 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:24,000 FACEBOOK LIVE A LIVE VIDEO 606 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:26,000 STREAMING. WE'VE TRIED IT HERE ON "RELIABLE 607 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:28,000 SOURCES." RECENTLY FACEBOOK STARTED PAYING 608 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:29,000 CNN AND LOTS OF OTHER NEWS 609 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:30,000 COMPANIES IN ORDER TO CREATE 610 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:32,000 LOTS OF FACEBOOK LIVE CONTENT. 611 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:33,000 THEY'RE NOT SAYING WHAT TO 612 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:36,000 CREATE BUT THEY'RE ENCOURAGING 613 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:37,000 QUANTITY ENCOURAGING TO DO IT 614 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:38,000 OFTEN. THERE ARE ALL THESE 615 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:39,000 RELATIONSHIPS WITH NEWS 616 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:42,000 COMPANIES. IT'S SUCH A COMPLICATED 617 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:44,000 SITUATION HERE. 618 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:47,000 MOLLY, I THINK WHAT FACEBOOK WOULD SAY, TO YOUR POINT ABOUT 619 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:48,000 THE STORIES ABOUT PLANNED 620 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:49,000 PARENTHOOD NOT SHOWING UP RIGHT 621 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:50,000 AWAY IS THAT'S WHY THEY NEED 622 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:53,000 EDITORS TO MAKE SURE IT SHOWS 623 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:55,000 UP. OTHERWISE, THE ALGORITHM WASN'T 624 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:56,000 WORKING FAST ENOUGH. 625 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:58,000 WHAT DO YOU WANT TO SEE FACEBOOK 626 00:21:58,000 --> 00:21:59,000 DO? >> THAT'S THE POINT. 627 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:02,000 OUR DATA SHOWED THAT STORY WENT 628 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:03,000 VIRAL IMMEDIATELY. 629 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:04,000 I CANNOT CONVEY HOW MANY PEOPLE 630 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:06,000 WERE ON OUR SITE LOOKING AT 631 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:07,000 THAT. THAT IT DIDN'T SHOW UP ON 632 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:09,000 TRENDING TOPICS IS BIZARRE TO 633 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:10,000 THE HIGHEST DEGREE. 634 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:11,000 AND THERE ARE SO MANY PROBLEMS 635 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:13,000 THAT WERE REVEALED EVEN AS 636 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:14,000 FACEBOOK WAS DENYING THESE 637 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:15,000 ALLEGATIONS. 638 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:18,000 THEY SAID THEY ONLY -- THEY HAVE 639 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:20,000 A LIST OF SOURCES THAT THEY 640 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:23,000 CONSIDER DECENT AND WORTHY OF -- 641 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:25,000 IF THREE OF THOSE SOURCES ARE 642 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:27,000 TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING, THEY'LL 643 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:28,000 PUT IT ON TRENDING TOPICS. 644 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:29,000 SOME OF THOSE ARE STATE 645 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:30,000 CONTROLLED. SOME ARE COMMUNIST NEWS 646 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:34,000 ORGANIZATIONS OUT OF CHINA. 647 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:35,000 THERE ARE ALL SORTS OF WAYS YOU 648 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:38,000 CAN MANIPULATE THAT USING 649 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:40,000 STATE-CONTROLLED MEDIA. WE NEED TO SEE MUCH MORE 650 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:41,000 TRANSPARENCY. 651 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:43,000 ONE OF THE THINGS ZUCKERBERG 652 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:44,000 SAID WHO HAS BEEN MADE VERY 653 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:46,000 WEALTHY BY FACEBOOK $4.4 654 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:48,000 MILLION A DAY FOR EVERY DAY HE'S 655 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:49,000 BEEN ALIVE. 656 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:51,000 HE SAYS THEY KEEP A LIST OF 657 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:52,000 THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN BLACKLISTED FROM TRENDING 658 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:54,000 TOPICS. I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT LIST. 659 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:55,000 I'D LIKE TO SEE MUCH MORE, EVEN 660 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:56,000 THE STATEMENT SAYING WE HAVE 661 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:57,000 POLICIES AND PROCEDURES. 662 00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:59,000 THE FORMER FACEBOOK EMPLOYEES 663 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:00,000 THEMSELVES SAID THEY WERE 664 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:02,000 DIRECTED TO BLOCK CERTAIN SITES 665 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:03,000 AND TO BLOCK CERTAIN STORIES. 666 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:04,000 SO IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER IF 667 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,000 THE POLICIES ARE THERE. 668 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:08,000 IF THE CULTURE IS SUCH THAT IT 669 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:10,000 SUPPRESSES CONSERVATIVE NEWS AND NEWS FIGURES. 670 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:11,000 >> REALLY QUICKLY, KELLY, I HAVE 671 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:14,000 TO RUN, BUT YOU SUGGESTED 672 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:15,000 FACEBOOK SHOULD HAVE A PUBLIC 673 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:18,000 EDITOR. YOU USED TO BE THE OMBUDSMAN FOR 674 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:19,000 ESPN. IF THEY CALL YOU, WILL YOU 675 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:20,000 CONSIDER BEING THEIR PUBLIC 676 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:21,000 EDITOR? >> OH I DON'T THINK THEY'RE 677 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:22,000 GOING TO CALL ME BUT I THINK 678 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:24,000 IT'S A FABULOUS IDEA. 679 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:25,000 >> I DO TOO. 680 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:26,000 I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA. 681 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:28,000 AND WE'LL KEEP FOLLOWING THIS 682 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:29,000 MEETING ON WEDNESDAY WITH 683 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:30,000 ZUCKERBERG AND CONSERVATIVE 684 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:31,000 MEDIA FIGURES. 685 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:32,000 KELLY, MOLLY, THANK YOU BOTH FOR 686 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:33,000 BEING HERE. 687 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:34,000 >> THANK YOU. >> THANKS BRIAN. 688 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:37,000 >>> COMING UP NEXT WHILE THE 689 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:38,000 MEDIA CONTINUES TO SEEK ACCESS 690 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,000 TO DONALD TRUMP, EVERY 691 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:41,000 INTERVIEWER WANTS TIME WITH HIM, 692 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:42,000 ONE BROADCASTER HAS NEVER HAD 693 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:44,000 TROUBLE GETTING A SIT-DOWN WITH 694 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,000 HIM. TV LEGEND LARRY KING JOINS ME 695 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:47,000 AFTER THE BREAK TO TALK ABOUT 696 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:52,000 WHAT MAKES TRUMP TICK. 697 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:50,000 ARE YOU POWERED BY PROTEIN? 698 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:53,000 I AM. 699 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,000 MILK HAS 8 GRAMS OF PROTEIN 700 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:58,000 TO HELP GIVE ME ENERGY TO UNLEASH MY POTENTIAL. 701 00:24:58,000 --> 00:24:59,000 START EVERY DAY WITH 702 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:04,000 MILK'S PROTEIN AND MILK LIFE. 703 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:05,000 I have a blog called "Daddy Doing Work" 704 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:06,000 It's funny that I've been in the news 705 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:10,000 for being a dad. Windows 10 is great because 706 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:11,000 I need to keep organized. 707 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:12,000 School, grocery shopping. 708 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:14,000 My face can unlock this computer. 709 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:16,000 That's crazy. 710 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,000 MacBooks are not able to do that. 711 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:19,000 "Hey Cortana 712 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:20,000 remind me we have a play date tomorrow 713 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:23,000 at noon" I need that in my world. 714 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:24,000 Anything that makes my life easier, 715 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:25,000 I'm using. 716 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:30,000 And Windows is doing that. 717 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:01,000 >>> MAKE A LIST OF TV LEGENDS. 718 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:04,000 THE NAME ON THE TOP IS LARRY 719 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,000 KING. WE'RE ACTUALLY SITTING IN HIS 720 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,000 STUDIO. 721 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,000 FOR SO MANY YEARS HERE AT CNN IN 722 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:11,000 LOS ANGELES. LARRY ALWAYS GOT THE IMPOSSIBLE 723 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:12,000 GET AT CNN. 724 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:15,000 HE INTERVIEWED A WHO'S WHO OF 725 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,000 CELEBRITIES, DIGNITARIES, AND 726 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:18,000 POLITICIANS OVER THE YEARS, 727 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:19,000 INCLUDING THE MAN OF THE HOUR 728 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,000 THE MAN OF THE YEAR THE MANAGE 729 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,000 WHO MIGHT BE THE NEXT PRESIDENT 730 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:24,000 OF THE UNITED STATES DONALD 731 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:25,000 TRUMP. >> PEOPLE ARE GOING TO PRESUME 732 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,000 THINGS. >> WELL THEY CAN PRESUME 733 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:28,000 WHATEVER THEY WANT. I HAVE NO INTENTION OF RUNNING 734 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:29,000 FOR PRESIDENT. 735 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,000 I DOUBT I'LL EVER BE INVOLVED IN 736 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:33,000 POLITICS. I'M GOING TO FORM A PRESIDENTIAL 737 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,000 EXPLORATORY COMMITTEE. 738 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:36,000 >> YOU CONSIDER ONCE RUNNING FOR 739 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:37,000 THE PRESIDENCY. 740 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:38,000 >> I DIDN'T CONSIDER IT LONG. 741 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,000 >> YOU DON'T WANT TO RUN FOR 742 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,000 OFFICE? >> I'D RATHER NOT, BUT I ALSO 743 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:43,000 WANT THIS COUNTRY TO BE GREAT 744 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:44,000 AGAIN. 745 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:45,000 >> IT'S NOT A TOUPEE. 746 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:46,000 IT'S NOT A COMB OVER. 747 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:47,000 >> DON'T MESS IT UP TOO MUCH. 748 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,000 >> HE CHECKED. 749 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:51,000 HE SAYS IT'S NOT A COMBOVER. 750 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:54,000 JOINING ME NOW IS THE TV LEGEND 751 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:57,000 HIMSELF, LARRY KING, WHO'S 752 00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:58,000 ONLINE NOW. 753 00:28:58,000 --> 00:28:59,000 LARRY, THANK YOU FOR COMING IN. >> MY PLEASURE. 754 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:00,000 WELCOME TO THE WEST. 755 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:01,000 >> ABSOLUTELY. 756 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,000 I WANTED TO ASK YOU ABOUT 757 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:04,000 INTERVIEWING TRUMP. WE'VE SEEN SO MANY INTERVIEWS OF 758 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:05,000 TRUMP THIS YEAR. 759 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,000 YOU WERE TALKING TO HIM DECADES 760 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:08,000 AGO WHEN HE WAS STILL KIND OF 761 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:09,000 BECOMING WHO HE IS TODAY. 762 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,000 WAS HE AN EASY FIGURE TO 763 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:12,000 INTERVIEW OR A HARD FIGURE? 764 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,000 >> VERY EASY. 765 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,000 HE WAS FASCINATING BECAUSE HE 766 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,000 WAS TRUMP. 767 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:19,000 TRUMP WAS TRUMP. AND IS TRUMP. 768 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:23,000 WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IS A TRUE 769 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:26,000 REALITY STAR FIGURE WHO WAS -- 770 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:27,000 EVEN THOUGH HE'S BURST ON TO THE 771 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:30,000 SCENE, HE WAS VERY WELL KNOWN. 772 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,000 IT'S NOT A SHOCK THAT PEOPLE ARE 773 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:33,000 ATTRACTED TO DONALD TRUMP. 774 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:34,000 >> WAS IT EASY TO BOOK HIM EVEN 775 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:38,000 20 30 YEARS AGO? 776 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:39,000 >> EASY? SURE. >> YOU JUST CALL UP. 777 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:41,000 >> YEAH HE LOVES THE MEDIA. 778 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,000 >> DO YOU BELIEVE THIS FAKE 779 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,000 SPOKESMAN STORY, BY THE WAY? 780 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,000 THIS IDEA HE WAS BEING HIS OWN 781 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,000 SPOKESMAN. HE ONCE ADMITTED TO IT BUT NOW 782 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:50,000 HE'S DENYING IT. 783 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,000 >> IT'S KIND OF WEIRD, ISN'T IT? 784 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:53,000 WHY WOULD HE NEED TO DO THAT? 785 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:55,000 I'LL HAVE TO ASK HIM ABOUT IT. 786 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:57,000 I TALK TO DONALD A LOT. 787 00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:58,000 I LIKE HIM A LOT PERSONALLY. 788 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,000 HE'S BEEN A FRIEND FOR YEARS. 789 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,000 HE'S BEEN GOOD TO MY FAMILY. 790 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:04,000 IN FACT WE WERE FATHERS OF THE 791 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:05,000 YEAR TOGETHER. 792 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,000 >> WHERE? 793 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:10,000 >> IN NEW YORK IN THE MID-'90s. 794 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:12,000 >> SO YOU TALK TO HIM NOWADAYS 795 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:13,000 ABOUT HIS CAMPAIGN? >> YEAH. 796 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:15,000 >> ANY ADVICE YOU'VE GIVEN HIM? 797 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,000 >> I DON'T GIVE ADVICE. 798 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:21,000 YOU DON'T GIVE ADVICE TO DONALD 799 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:22,000 TRUMP. 800 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:25,000 BUT HE'S A FASCINATING PERSON. 801 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:27,000 I WONDER IF MAYBE YOU COULD 802 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:28,000 ANSWER THIS. 803 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,000 CHICKEN OR THE EGG? 804 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,000 IS HE FAMOUS BECAUSE WE COVERED 805 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,000 HIM, OR DID WE COVER HIM BECAUSE 806 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,000 HE'S FAMOUS? 807 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,000 WHAT HAPPENED FIRST? >> WELL AT SOME POINT HE HAD TO 808 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:39,000 BECOME FAMOUS IN THE '80s. 809 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:41,000 THIS IS THE TABLOIDS MAYBE IN 810 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:42,000 THE '80s. 811 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:47,000 >> BUT DID WE THE MEDIA, BUILD 812 00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,000 HIM, OR WAS HE THE ATTRACTION 813 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:51,000 FIRST? WHAT STARTED IT? 814 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:55,000 WAS IT THE McCAIN THING? 815 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:56,000 I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE. 816 00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:57,000 >> YEAH. 817 00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,000 >> IF -- WAS IT JIM, WHATEVER 818 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:02,000 HIS NAME WAS, THE GUY WHO WAS 819 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:05,000 GOVERNOR OF VIRGINIA WHO WAS IN THE RACE FOR TWO MINUTES. 820 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:07,000 >> JIM GILMORE. 821 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:08,000 >> IF JIM GILMORE HAD COME OUT 822 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:11,000 AND SAID I DON'T WANT TO LET 823 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:14,000 MUSLIMS INTO THE COUNTRY, WOULD 824 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,000 JIM -- WOULD WE HAVE RUSHED TO 825 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:17,000 JIM GILMORE? 826 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:20,000 WOULD WE? >> I LOOK AT THE POLLS FROM LAST 827 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,000 JULY. TRUMP GAME NUMBER ONE SO QUICKLY 828 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:23,000 IN THE POLLS. 829 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,000 THAT TELLS ME IT WASN'T JUST A 830 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:27,000 MEDIA CREATION. 831 00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:28,000 IT WAS SOMETHING IN THE PUBLIC 832 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:29,000 IN THE COUNTRY, WHERE TRUMP 833 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,000 RESONATED. >> IT WAS A COMBINATION OF THAT 834 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:33,000 RIGHT. 835 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:34,000 IF GILMORE HAD SAID IT WOULD IT 836 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:35,000 HAVE RESONATED? WE DON'T KNOW. 837 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:38,000 >> MAYBE IT WOULD HAVE BEEN A 838 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:39,000 ONE OR TWO-DAY STORY. 839 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:40,000 BUT WE'RE STILL TALKING ABOUT 840 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,000 THAT ALLEGED MUSLIM BAN BECAUSE 841 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:43,000 HE'S WALKING IT BACK SAYING 842 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,000 IT'S JUST A SUGGESTION. 843 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:46,000 WHAT'S BEEN THE MOST DISTURBING 844 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,000 PART OF THIS CAMPAIGN? 845 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:49,000 >> THE WHOLE THING. 846 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:51,000 SOMEONE CALLED IT THE OTHER DAY, 847 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,000 THIS IS ELECTORAL DYSFUNCTION. 848 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:54,000 IT'S A GOOD LINE. 849 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,000 >> ON BOTH SIDES OR JUST ON THE 850 00:31:56,000 --> 00:32:01,000 GOP SIDE? >> WELL HILLARY IS -- SHE'S A 851 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:02,000 VERY VERY BRIGHT INDIVIDUAL 852 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:05,000 WHO'S NOT A GREAT CAMPAIGNER. 853 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,000 SHE'S FINE IN ONE-ON-ONE 854 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,000 SITUATIONS. SHE'S EXTRAORDINARILY BRIGHT. 855 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:10,000 IN FACT THE DEBATE HER AND HIM 856 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:13,000 OUGHT TO BE ON PAID TV. 857 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:14,000 >> YOU THINK PEOPLE SHOULD HAVE 858 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:16,000 TO SUBSCRIBE. 859 00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:17,000 >> THAT'S SUPER BOWL. 860 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,000 >> BUT THAT GETS TO WHAT WE WERE 861 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:20,000 TALKING ABOUT EARLIER, THE IDEA 862 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,000 OF THIS REALITY TV CAMPAIGN. 863 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,000 ISN'T THAT FUNDAMENTALLY BACK 864 00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,000 FOR DEMOCRACY, THAT IT IS SO 865 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:27,000 ENTERTAINING THAT IT IS SO 866 00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,000 WILD THAT WE WOULD PAY TO WATCH 867 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:34,000 IT? SHOULDN'T DEBATES BE KIND OF 868 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:38,000 BORING? >> I DON'T KNOW. WERE LINCOLN AND DOUGLAS BORING? 869 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:39,000 WELL THEY HAD NO MODERATOR. 870 00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:43,000 >> WELL YOUR NAFTA DEBATE 871 00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:44,000 WASN'T BORING, AND IT WAS ABOUT 872 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:49,000 VERY DETAILED TOPICS. 873 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,000 >> GORE CLEARLY WON. 874 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,000 NOW, THAT -- WHAT WILL HAPPEN 875 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,000 ISSUE THIS IS A GREAT THOUGHT. 876 00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,000 WHAT WILL HAPPEN IN THE 877 00:32:58,000 --> 00:32:59,000 HILLARY/TRUMP DEBATES? 878 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:02,000 >> YOU TELL ME. 879 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:05,000 YOU'RE THE BOSS. >> I'D LOVE TO MODERATE THEM. 880 00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:08,000 I MODERATE ID THAT DEBATE 881 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:09,000 BETWEEN BUSH AND McCAIN IN SOUTH 882 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:10,000 CAROLINA. 883 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:11,000 THAT WAS SOME NIGHT. 884 00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:13,000 AFTER McCAIN HAD WON NEW 885 00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:14,000 HAMPSHIRE AND THEY HAD COME TO 886 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,000 SOUTH CAROLINA. 887 00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:17,000 THAT WAS A TOUGH -- THEY WERE 888 00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:20,000 REALLY MAD AT EACH OTHER. 889 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:21,000 BUT THE CLINTON -- WILL TRUMP 890 00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:23,000 GET VICIOUS IN THAT DEBATE? 891 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:26,000 WILL HE GET PERSONAL? 892 00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:27,000 WILL HE TALK ABOUT HER BEING AN 893 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:28,000 ENABLER OF HER HUSBAND? 894 00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,000 IT'S UP TO THE MODERATOR. 895 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:33,000 >> IT'S UP TO THE MODERATOR TO 896 00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,000 KEEP CONTROL. >> STAY ON THE ISSUES. 897 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,000 WILL HE KEEP TRUMP ON THE 898 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:42,000 ISSUES? WHAT'S HURTS TRUMP? 899 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:45,000 HE HASN'T RELEASED HIS TAXES. DOES THAT HURT HIM? 900 00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:46,000 I'LL NEVER RAISE MONEY FROM 901 00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,000 ANYONE ELSE. DOES THAT HURT HIM? 902 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:51,000 NOTHING HURTS HIM. 903 00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:52,000 HE SAID HE COULD SHOOT SOMEONE 904 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:53,000 ON 5th AVENUE. 905 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,000 >> YOU'RE MAKING ME THINK HE HAS 906 00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:57,000 A REAL SHOT AT THE WHITE HOUSE, 907 00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:00,000 UNLIKE THE DATA WHICH INDICATES 908 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,000 CLINTON IS THE FAVORITE BY FAR. 909 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:03,000 >> IF YOU CAN MAKE ANYTHING 910 00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:04,000 PREDICTABLE IN CAMPAIGN YOU'RE 911 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:05,000 A BETTER MAN THAN ME. 912 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:06,000 >> I'M GOING TO LIVE BY THOSE 913 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:07,000 WORDS. 914 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:08,000 LARRY, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. 915 00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:09,000 GREAT TO SEE YOU. 916 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,000 >> THANK YOU. >> AND A GREAT TRANSITION. 917 00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:13,000 COMING UP NATE SILVER THE 918 00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:14,000 FOUNDER OF 538, HE SAID TRUMP 919 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,000 HAD ONLY A 5% CHANCE OF WINNING 920 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,000 THE GOP NOMINATION LAST FALL. 921 00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:20,000 NOW HE'S GOING TO JOIN ME TO 922 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:23,000 DISCUSS WHAT HAPPENED THERE AND WHY HE GOT THAT WRONG AND 923 00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:24,000 WHETHER WE SHOULD BELIEVE HIS 924 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:25,000 NEW PREDICTION ABOUT THIS FALL. 925 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:27,000 STAY TUNED. WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK. 926 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:30,000 ♪ ♪ ♪ (CHARGE MUSIC) 927 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:34,000 YOU WOULDN'T HIRE AN ORGANIST WITHOUT HEARING THEM FIRST. 928 00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:35,000 CHARGE! SO WHY WOULD YOU INVEST WITHOUT CHECKING 929 00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:37,000 BROKERCHECK? 930 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:42,000 CHECK YOUR BROKER WITH BROKERCHECK. 931 00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:57,000 When my doctor told me I have age-related 932 00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,000 macular degeneration, AMD 933 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:00,000 we came up with a plan to help 934 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,000 reduce my risk of progression. 935 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,000 And everywhere I look... 936 00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:06,000 I'm reminded to stick to my plan. 937 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,000 Including PreserVision AREDS 2. 938 00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:09,000 My doctor said PreserVision AREDS 939 00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,000 2 940 00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,000 has the exact nutrient formula 941 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,000 that the National Eye Institute recommends 942 00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,000 to help reduce the risk of progression 943 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,000 of moderate to advanced AMD... 944 00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,000 after 15 years of clinical studies. 945 00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:22,000 PreserVision AREDS 2. 946 00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:27,000 Because my eyes are everything. 947 00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:30,000 This clean was like, pow! It added this other level of clean to it. 948 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:31,000 It just kinda like wiped everything 949 00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,000 clean. 950 00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:34,000 My teeth are glowing. They are so 951 00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:37,000 white. 952 00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:41,000 I actually really like the two steps. 953 00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:42,000 Everytime I use this together it felt 954 00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:45,000 like 955 00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:48,000 leaving the dentist's office. 956 00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,000 Crest HD, 6x cleaning, 6x whitening. 957 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:55,000 I would switch to Crest HD over what I was using before. 958 00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:37,000 >>> HOW IS THIS FOR MEDIA 959 00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:38,000 ACCOUNTABILITY? HERE'S "WASHINGTON POST" 960 00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:41,000 COLUMNIST DANA MILBANK LITERALLY 961 00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:42,000 EATING HIS WORDS. 962 00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:44,000 HE PREDICTED LAST OCTOBER DONALD 963 00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:45,000 TRUMP WOULD NEVER BE THE GOP 964 00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,000 NOMINEE. SO THIS IS WHAT HE GETS. 965 00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:52,000 NOW, THAT IS ONE WAY TO 966 00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:57,000 FOLLOW-UP ON A FAULTY ELECTION 967 00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:58,000 FORECAST. HERE'S ANOTHER WAY. NATE SILVER MADE A NAME FOR 968 00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:01,000 HIMSELF BY USING DATA TO 969 00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:03,000 CORRECTLY PREDICT 49 OUT OF 50 970 00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:05,000 STATES IN 2008'S GENERAL 971 00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:08,000 ELECTION AND ALL 50 IN 2012. 972 00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:11,000 HE AND 538 HAVE PREDICTED 52 OF 973 00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:12,000 57 STATES AND VARIOUS 974 00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,000 TERRITORIES IN THIS YEAR'S 975 00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:17,000 PRIMARY CONTESTS CORRECTLY. 976 00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,000 BUT MANY ARE SAYING HE AND HIS 977 00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:20,000 COLLEAGUE THE DROPPED THE BALL 978 00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:22,000 THIS YEAR. THAT'S PARTLY BECAUSE OF THIS 979 00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:23,000 PREDICTION THAT HE MADE RIGHT 980 00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:26,000 HERE ON CNN WITH ANDERSON COOPER 981 00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:27,000 LAST FALL. 982 00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,000 >> DO YOU PUT THE CHANCE OF 983 00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:31,000 DONALD TRUMP OR BEN CARSON 984 00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:32,000 ACTUALLY GETTING THE GOP 985 00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:33,000 NOMINATION AROUND 5%. 986 00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:36,000 >> MAYBE ABOUT 5% EACH. 987 00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:37,000 SOMEWHERE AROUND THERE. 988 00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:38,000 >> 5%. 989 00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:42,000 SO I SAT DOWN WITH NATE SILVER 990 00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:44,000 EDITOR AND CHIEF AT 538.COM, TO 991 00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:45,000 ASK HIM WHAT HAPPENED. 992 00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:47,000 >> WE WERE SKEPTICAL OF TRUMP'S 993 00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:48,000 CHANCES EARLY ON BECAUSE HE WENT 994 00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:49,000 AGAINST HISTORY. 995 00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:52,000 YOU'D SEEN A LOT OF CANDIDATES 996 00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:54,000 NEWT GINGRICH, HERMANN CAIN 997 00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:57,000 GEORGE WALLACE WAY BACK IN THE 998 00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:58,000 DAY, WHO HAD RIDDEN HIGH IN THE 999 00:39:58,000 --> 00:39:59,000 POLLS AND FLAMED OUT BECAUSE 1000 00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:00,000 THEY LACKED BACKING FROM THEIR 1001 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,000 PARTIES. I GUESS YOU CAN BLAME US FOR 1002 00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:04,000 STICKING TOO MUCH TO HISTORY, BUT I THINK IT'S A BETTER EXCUSE 1003 00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:06,000 WHEN NUMBER ONE, WE HAVE A GOOD 1004 00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:08,000 TRACK RECORD. IF ANY TIME YOU GET A PREDICTION 1005 00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:13,000 WRONG, WHEN YOU SAY SOMETIMES WE 1006 00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:14,000 LIVE IN AN UNCERTAIN WORLD WE DON'T KNOW. 1007 00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:16,000 IF YOU'RE RIGHT 9% OF THE TIME 1008 00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:17,000 YOU SHOULDN'T BE THROWN OFF THE 1009 00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:18,000 BOAT FOR THE OTHER TEN. 1010 00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:20,000 >> DO YOU FEEL LIKE PEOPLE ARE 1011 00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,000 TRYING TO THROW YOU OFF THE 1012 00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:23,000 BOAT? >> FOR SURE. THERE ARE NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE 1013 00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:25,000 WHO EXPECTED TRUMP TO BE THE 1014 00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:27,000 REPUBLICAN NOMINEE. IF YOU GO BACK NOW, IT'S KIND OF 1015 00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:30,000 LIKE WOODSTOCK. 1016 00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:31,000 EVERYONE NOW CLAIMS TO HAVE ATTENDED WOODSTOCK AND WOULD 1017 00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:35,000 HAVE KNOWN BACK IN JUNE OR JULY 1018 00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:36,000 THAT HE'D BE THE NOMINEE. 1019 00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:37,000 THIS IS ONE OF THE CRAZIER 1020 00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:38,000 THINGS WE'VE SEEN IN AMERICAN 1021 00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,000 POLITICS FOR A LONG TIME. 1022 00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:42,000 I THINK IT WAS FAIR FOR US TO BE 1023 00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,000 SKEPTICAL EARLY ON ABOUT THE 1024 00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:45,000 ODDS THIS COULD OCCUR. 1025 00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:47,000 WHEN WE SAW POLLS IN IOWA AND 1026 00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:48,000 NEW HAMPSHIRE AND HOW MUCH 1027 00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,000 DISARRAY THE GOP WAS IN WE 1028 00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:51,000 BECAME LESS SKEPTICAL. 1029 00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:52,000 YOU ADAPT WITH THE EVIDENCE. 1030 00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:53,000 >> HE WAS ALWAYS NUMBER ONE IN 1031 00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:54,000 THE POLLS. 1032 00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:55,000 PEOPLE LIKE YOU JUST DIDN'T 1033 00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:56,000 BELIEVE IT. 1034 00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:57,000 >> IT'S NOT A MATTER OF BELIEF. 1035 00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:59,000 IT'S A MATTER OF LOOKING AT 1036 00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:00,000 HISTORICAL EVIDENCE. 1037 00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:01,000 YOU KNOW EVERYTHING IS OBVIOUS 1038 00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:04,000 IN RETROSPECT WHEN YOU KNOW HOW 1039 00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:06,000 SOMETHING TURNED OUT. WE HAVE A METHOD THAT BOTH THIS 1040 00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,000 YEAR AND HISTORICALLY IS RIGHT 1041 00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:12,000 WAY MORE OFTEN THAN IT'S WRONG. 1042 00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,000 I USED TO PLAY POKER. 1043 00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:15,000 IN POKER, YOU CAN PLAY A HAND 1044 00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:18,000 WELL AND LOSE, PLAY A HAND BADLY 1045 00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:20,000 AND WIN. 1046 00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:21,000 IT DOESN'T MEAN YOU SHOULDN'T 1047 00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:23,000 REFLECT. WE'VE SEEN SO MANY HONEST 1048 00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:24,000 SELF-REFLECTIONS FROM 1049 00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:27,000 EMPIRICALLY MINDED JOURNALISTS. 1050 00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:28,000 I THINK WE COULD HAVE A FEW MORE 1051 00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,000 ABOUT JOURNALISTS JUST AS 1052 00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:33,000 SKEPTICAL. >> SO YOU THINK IT'S GOOD YOU'RE 1053 00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:36,000 BEING HELD ACCOUNTABLE. >> IT'S GOOD WE HOLD OURSELVES 1054 00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:40,000 ACCOUNTABLE. IN MY OPINION, SOMEONE WHO IS A 1055 00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:41,000 DEMAGOGUE, WON A MAJOR PARTY 1056 00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:42,000 NOMINATION WE SHOULD ALL BE 1057 00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:44,000 SAYING WHAT HAPPENED TO OUR 1058 00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:45,000 INSTITUTION? 1059 00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:49,000 SOMEONE WHO RAN ON A LOT OF 1060 00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:50,000 MISINFORMATION AND WE'RE THE 1061 00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:51,000 INFORMATION INDUSTRY AND BECAME THE NOMINEE OF A MAJOR PARTY, 1062 00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:52,000 THAT'S A BIG PROBLEM. 1063 00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:54,000 IF WE'RE A PART OF THAT PROBLEM, 1064 00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:56,000 I'M HAPPY TO BE AT THE TABLE 1065 00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:57,000 DISCUSSING WHAT HAPPENED AND 1066 00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:58,000 WHAT COMES NEXT. 1067 00:41:58,000 --> 00:41:59,000 >> BECAUSE YOU'RE SO CRITICAL OF 1068 00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:01,000 TRUMP, WERE YOU PREDICTING WHAT 1069 00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:02,000 YOU WANTED TO HAVE HAPPEN AS O 1070 00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:04,000 POSED TO WHAT WOULD HAPPEN? 1071 00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:05,000 >> ONE THING THAT'S IRONIC ABOUT 1072 00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:06,000 THE TRUMP PREDICTION IS WE DIDN'T HAVE A MODEL. 1073 00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:11,000 THE MINUTE WE HAD A MODEL IN 1074 00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:13,000 IOWA AND NEW HAMPSHIRE, STATE BY STATE, THEY SHOWED TRUMP DOING 1075 00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:14,000 VERY WELL. 1076 00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:15,000 IT'S A STRANGE CASE THAT, YOU 1077 00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:18,000 KNOW THE POLLS WERE RIGHT AND 1078 00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:19,000 THEREFORE JOURNALISM WAS WRONG. 1079 00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:20,000 THAT SEEMS LIKE A STRANGE CASE 1080 00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:21,000 TO MAKE. 1081 00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:22,000 >> SO YOU KNOW WHAT I HAVE TO 1082 00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:23,000 ASK YOU BEFORE WE GO. 1083 00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:25,000 AS WE LOOK TO THE FALL WHAT ARE 1084 00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:26,000 TRUMP'S CHANCES? 1085 00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:29,000 >> SO WE ALWAYS MAKE THINGS 1086 00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:32,000 PROBABLISTICLY. IF YOU LOOK AT BETTING MARKETS, 1087 00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,000 THEY SAY TRUMP HAS A 25% CHANCE. 1088 00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:37,000 I THINK THAT'S SENSIBLE. 1089 00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:38,000 IF YOU HELD THE ELECTION TODAY, 1090 00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:39,000 THERE'S ENOUGH POLLING TO KNOW 1091 00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:40,000 CLINTON WOULD PROBABLY WIN. 1092 00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:42,000 BUT YOU CAN HAVE RECESSIONS. 1093 00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:43,000 YOU CAN HAVE TERROR ATTACKS. 1094 00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:45,000 CLINTON IS NOT A VERY POPULAR 1095 00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:46,000 CANDIDATE HERSELF. 1096 00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:48,000 MAYBE TRUMP IS A BLACK SWAN. 1097 00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:49,000 I DON'T KNOW. 1098 00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,000 I PUT TRUMP'S CHANCES OF 1099 00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:52,000 BECOMING PRESIDENT AT 25%, MUCH 1100 00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:55,000 HIGHER TODAY THAN A YEAR AGO. 1101 00:42:55,000 --> 00:43:00,000 >> WHY SHOULD WE BELIEVE THE 25% 1102 00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:01,000 FIGURE, GIVEN THE ERRORS LAST 1103 00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:03,000 SUMMER LAST FALL? 1104 00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:04,000 HOW DO WE REGAIN PEOPLE'S TRUST, 1105 00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:05,000 PERHAPS, IN WHAT YOU DO? 1106 00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:06,000 >> FIRST OF ALL, I THINK WE HAVE 1107 00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:10,000 LOTS OF READERS WHO DO TRUST US 1108 00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:11,000 AND FORECASTS ARE NOT THE ONLY THING WE DO. 1109 00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:12,000 BUT WE HAVE A TRACK RECORD THAT 1110 00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:13,000 GOES BACK YEARS AND ENCOMPASSES 1111 00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:16,000 HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF 1112 00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:17,000 PREDICTIONS, THOUSANDS IF YOU 1113 00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:18,000 COUNT SPORTS PREDICTIONS OUTSIDE 1114 00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:19,000 THE POLITICAL REALM. 1115 00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:22,000 WHEN WE SAY SOMETHING HAS A 75% 1116 00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:27,000 CHANCE OF HAPPENING, THAT MEANS 1117 00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:28,000 IT HAPPENS 75% OF THE TIME AND 1118 00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:29,000 DOESN'T HAPPEN 25%. 1119 00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:30,000 >> THAT'S WHAT MAKES THIS FUN. 1120 00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,000 SOMETIMES THE UNEXPECTED DOES 1121 00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:33,000 OCCUR. >> THIS ELECTION HAS BEEN THE 1122 00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:36,000 MOST AMAZING ELECTION THAT I'VE 1123 00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:37,000 EVER SEEN. 1124 00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:39,000 I THINK TRUMP'S RISE TO POWER IS 1125 00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:43,000 INHERENTLY KIND OF AMAZING AND 1126 00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:45,000 REMARKABLE. ALSO SCARY IN SOME OTHER 1127 00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:47,000 RESPECTS. I DON'T KNOW. IN POLITICS I THINK PEOPLE 1128 00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:50,000 THINK VERY DOGMATICALLY. 1129 00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:51,000 AS A RESULT I THINK, YOU KNOW, 1130 00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:54,000 WE SHOULD HAVE KNOWN ALL ALONG 1131 00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:55,000 WHAT HAPPENS IS OBVIOUS FROM THE 1132 00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:56,000 START. I'VE DONE ENOUGH THINGS IN 1133 00:43:56,000 --> 00:44:00,000 SPORTS AND POKER AND COVERING 1134 00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:01,000 ENOUGH CAMPAIGNS NOW WHERE 1135 00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:03,000 THINGS SEEM MUCH MORE OBVIOUS IN 1136 00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:04,000 RETROSPECT THAN THEY DO AT THE 1137 00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:05,000 TIME. 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A FAMED FILM DIRECTOR WOODY 1172 00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:51,000 ALLEN FINDS HIMSELF AT THE 1173 00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:52,000 CENTER OF A MEDIA STORM ONCE 1174 00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:54,000 AGAIN OVER ALLEGATIONS THAT HE 1175 00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:55,000 SEXUALLY ABUSED HIS DAUGHTER 1176 00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:57,000 DYLAN WHEN SHE WAS A CHILD. 1177 00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:58,000 ON WEDNESDAY MORNING, THE DAY OF 1178 00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:01,000 ALLEN'S FILM PREMIERE AT THE 1179 00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:06,000 CANNES FILM FESTIVAL, HIS ELSE 1180 00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:11,000 STRANGED SON RONAN FARROW 1181 00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:15,000 PUBLISHED A COLUMN. THIS ESSAY WAS IN RESPONSE TO 1182 00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:18,000 PREVIOUS COVERAGE. 1183 00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:19,000 HE REITERATES HIS SUPPORT FOR 1184 00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:20,000 HIS SISTER AND TAKES HIMSELF AND 1185 00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:23,000 THE MEDIA TO TASK FOR NOT ASKING 1186 00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:24,000 ALLEN ABOUT IT AGAIN AND AGAIN 1187 00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:25,000 IN INTERVIEWS. 1188 00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:28,000 HE DESCRIBED THIS KIND OF 1189 00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:30,000 SILENCE AND AS A RESULT OF 1190 00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:32,000 PUBLISHING THE ARTICLE, THE HOLLYWOOD REPORTER WAS BARRED 1191 00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:33,000 LATER IN THE WEEK FROM A LUNCH 1192 00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:37,000 EVENT BY ALLEN'S PUBLICIST. 1193 00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:38,000 SHE SAID THIS TO THEM, ACCORDING 1194 00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:39,000 TO THE HOLLYWOOD REPORTER. IT'S ONLY NATURAL I WOULD SHOW 1195 00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:40,000 DISPLEASURE WHEN THE PRESS, IN 1196 00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:41,000 THIS CASE THE HOLLYWOOD 1197 00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:42,000 REPORTER GOES OUT OF ITS WAY TO 1198 00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:45,000 BE HARMFUL TO MY CLIENT. 1199 00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:47,000 NOW, WOODY ALLEN'S FILMS CAN BE 1200 00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:49,000 COMPLEX, NUANCED, BUT IT SEEMS 1201 00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:51,000 HIS OWN STORY IS ONE OF ACCESS 1202 00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:52,000 POWER, CELEBRITY. 1203 00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:53,000 WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THE 1204 00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:54,000 MANIPULATION HERE OF THE MEDIA. 1205 00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:56,000 JOINING ME NOW TO DISCUSS THIS 1206 00:49:56,000 --> 00:50:00,000 IS JANICE MIN, THE CHIEF 1207 00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:01,000 CREATIVE OFFICER OF THE 1208 00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:02,000 HOLLYWOOD REPORTER. NICE TO SEE YOU. 1209 00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:04,000 I THINK THIS IS A REALLY 1210 00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:05,000 REVEALING STORY ABOUT HOW THE 1211 00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:06,000 MEDIA WORKS OR DOESN'T WORK AND 1212 00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:09,000 WHAT RONAN FARROW THINKS ABOUT 1213 00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:11,000 THAT. YOU ALL PUBLISHED AWOODY ALLEN 1214 00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:16,000 FEATURE. HE AND OTHERS CRITICIZED 1215 00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:35,000 ON SO IT WAS A LOGICAL CHOICE 1216 00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:36,000 FOR THE COVER. 1217 00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:38,000 THE INTERVIEW MADE A LOT OF NEWS 1218 00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:40,000 FOR WHAT HE DID SAY, WHICH IS 1219 00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:42,000 PART OF WHAT SPARKED RONAN. 1220 00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:47,000 HE TALKED ABOUT SIGNUN YI AND 1221 00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:54,000 TALKED ABOUT HIS 1222 00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:55,000 COMPARTMENTABILITY WHAT HE 1223 00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:58,000 WASN'T DIRECTLY ASKED ABOUT WAS, 1224 00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:02,000 THOUGH THE SCANDAL QUESTION HE 1225 00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:04,000 WAS NEVER DIRECTLY ASKED ABOUT 1226 00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:05,000 DILL TEND FARROW. 1227 00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:07,000 >> WAS THAT A SHORTCOMING. 1228 00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:10,000 >> THE WRITER A WONDERFUL 1229 00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:12,000 REPORTER HE WAS -- I HAVE I WAS 1230 00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:15,000 TALKING TO HIM YESTERDAY, AND HE 1231 00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:17,000 SAID THE FRANTIC NATURE, THE 1232 00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:19,000 PUBLICABLYIST IS POPPING IN YOU 1233 00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:24,000 HAVE THREE MINUTES YES, HE WOULD 1234 00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:25,000 HAVE LIKED TO HAVE ASKED IT. 1235 00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:27,000 >> DID HE FEEL HE COULD HAVE 1236 00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:28,000 BECAUSE OF PUBLICIST? 1237 00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:29,000 >> NOT AT ALL. 1238 00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:33,000 >> YOU INVITE HIM TO TAKE AN 1239 00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:34,000 ESSAY 1240 00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:35,000 ESSAY. IT'S AN INCREDIBLE ESSAY ABOUT 1241 00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:38,000 HOW THE PRESS, BY BEING SILENT 1242 00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:42,000 ABOUT THINKS ALLEGATIONS REALLY 1243 00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:44,000 HURTS DYLAN FARROW AND POSSIBLE 1244 00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:45,000 VICTIMS OF SEX ABUSE. 1245 00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:47,000 DO YOU AGREE WITH HIS ASSESSMENT 1246 00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:49,000 THAT THE PRESSES SOMETIMES 1247 00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:51,000 COMPLICIT? >> I THINK THERE'S A PERCEPTION 1248 00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:53,000 BECAUSE WE HAD RONAN FARROW 1249 00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:55,000 WRITE THIS PIECE WE AGREE WITH 1250 00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:57,000 EVERY SINGLE THING HE IS. 1251 00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:58,000 WE ARE HAPPY TO BE THE 1252 00:51:58,000 --> 00:51:59,000 MESSENGER. 1253 00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:00,000 ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS 1254 00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:01,000 IMPORTANT WAS TO OWN THE 1255 00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:03,000 CONVERSATION SURROUNDING WOODY 1256 00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:06,000 ALLEN AND NOT LET OURSELVES BY A 1257 00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:08,000 BYSTANDING FOR SOMETHING WE 1258 00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:09,000 STARTED. >> DOES THIS MEAN HAVING YOUR 1259 00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:10,000 CAKE AND EAT IT TOO? 1260 00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:13,000 >> NO IT MEANS RECOGNIZING 1261 00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:15,000 COVERING WOOLY ALLEN PROBABLY 1262 00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:17,000 MEANS COVERING ALL SIDES OF THE 1263 00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:21,000 STORY. I THOUGHT THE ESSAY WAS 1264 00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:22,000 MAGNIFICENT, AND WE DO AS 1265 00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:24,000 INSTITUTIONS WE DO TEND TO 1266 00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:27,000 IGNORE THESE VOICES OF SEXUAL 1267 00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:29,000 ABUSE VICTIMS, WE TAKE THE WORDS 1268 00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:31,000 OF MORE POWERFUL MEN MORE 1269 00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:32,000 SERIOUSLY THAN THE PEOPLE WHO 1270 00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:36,000 ARE THEIR ACCUSERS AND DYLAN 1271 00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:38,000 FARROW HAS MADE A COMPELLING 1272 00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:41,000 CASE THROUGH THE YEARS, THAT 1273 00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:43,000 WOODIE ALLEN DOESN'T HELP 1274 00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:45,000 HIMSELF THROUGH THE MOVIES WHERE 1275 00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:46,000 THERE ARE INAPPROPRIATE 1276 00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:47,000 RELATIONSHIPS WITH OLDER MEN AND 1277 00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:48,000 YOUNGER WOMEN. 1278 00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:50,000 HE HAS NOT HELPED HIMSELF. 1279 00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:51,000 HIS OWN COMMENTS ARE WEIRD AND 1280 00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:55,000 TROUBLING. 1281 00:52:55,000 --> 00:53:00,000 YOU WOULD HAVE THOSE IN 1282 00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:01,000 HOLLYWOOD WHO WOULD ARGUE THAT 1283 00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:03,000 LOTS OF PEOPLE SIGNED PETITIONS 1284 00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:06,000 FOR ROMAN POLANSKI INCLUDING 1285 00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:09,000 WOODY ALLEN THAT SOMEHOW YOU CAN 1286 00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:11,000 SEPARATE THE ART FROM THE 1287 00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:12,000 PERSONAL BEHAVIOR OF THE PERSON 1288 00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:13,000 YOU'RE WRITING ABOUT. 1289 00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:16,000 I THINK IN THE POST-COSBY ERA, 1290 00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:18,000 THIS NEVER WOULD HAVE HAPPENED 1291 00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:20,000 HADN'T COSBY HAPPENED IN THE 1292 00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:23,000 LAST YEAR WOODY HAD THE OPENING 1293 00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:26,000 MOVIE LAST YEAR GIVING A 1294 00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:28,000 LIFETIME ACHIEVEMENT AWARTS AT 1295 00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:31,000 THE GOLDEN GLOBES AT NBC. 1296 00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:32,000 >> AND BY THE WAY A 1297 00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:34,000 CORRESPONDENT WILL BE COVERING 1298 00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:36,000 THERE MORE. >>> WHAT HAPPENS WHEN A 1299 00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:41,000 PUBLICIST BANS YOU. 1300 00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:44,000 >> NOTHING. 1301 00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:45,000 IT DOESN'T MATTER. 1302 00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:47,000 THE FACT THAT HOYER FILM EDITOR 1303 00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:50,000 DIDN'T SIT NEXT TO WOODIE AL 1304 00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:53,000 LISTEN MAKES NO DIFFERENCE HOW 1305 00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:56,000 WE COVER ANY OF HER CLIENTS 1306 00:53:56,000 --> 00:54:01,000 GOING FORWARD. 1307 00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:05,000 ON. >> IT DOES TELL US A BIT HOW 1308 00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:07,000 HOLLYWOOD WORKS, RIGHT? 1309 00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:09,000 >> YES. SHE HAD TO MAKE A PUBLIC STANCE. 1310 00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:11,000 THAT'S WHAT PUBLICISTS DO. 1311 00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:14,000 THEY ARE OUT THERE TO CREATE A 1312 00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:15,000 NARRATIVE AROUND THEIR INFLUENCE 1313 00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:18,000 AROUND THEIR CLIENTS, AND LESLIE 1314 00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:20,000 DART IS VERY INFLUENCE WALL BUT 1315 00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:24,000 I THINK IT'S -- I CAN'T BELIEVE 1316 00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:26,000 SHE WOULD KEEP HIM AS A CLIENT 1317 00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:29,000 IF SHE TRULY BELIEVED HE WAS A 1318 00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:30,000 PEDOPHILE. 1319 00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:32,000 >> JANIS, GREAT TO SEE YOU. 1320 00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:33,000 THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. 1321 00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:35,000 >>> UP NEXT "THE WASHINGTON 1322 00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:37,000 POST," "NEW YORK TIMES" 1323 00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:39,000 PUBLISHING TOUGH INVESTIGATIONS 1324 00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:40,000 DIGGING DEEP TO DONALD TRUMP'S 1325 00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:43,000 LIFE. SOME CRITICS ARE CALLING FOUL. 1326 00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:46,000 STJ A CASE OF LIBERAL BIAS OR 1327 00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:47,000 THE PRESS DOING ITS JOB? 1328 00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:52,000 RIGHT AFTER THIS. 1329 00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:46,000 This is Joanne. Her long day as a 1330 00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:47,000 hair stylist starts 1331 00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:48,000 with shoulder pain when... 1332 00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:50,000 Hey Joanne 1333 00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:51,000 want to trade the all day relief 1334 00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:52,000 of 2 Aleve with 6 Tylenol? 1335 00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:53,000 Give up my 2 Aleve for 6 Tylenol? 1336 00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:56,000 No thanks. 1337 00:55:56,000 --> 00:56:00,000 For me... It's Aleve. 1338 00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:01,000 You know when I first started out, 1339 00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:02,000 it was all pencil and paper. 1340 00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:03,000 The Surface Pro is very intuitive. 1341 00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:05,000 I can draw lightly 1342 00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:06,000 just like I would with a real pencil. 1343 00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:07,000 I've been a Forensic Artist for over 1344 00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:08,000 30 years. 1345 00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:10,000 I do the composite sketches 1346 00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:12,000 which are the bad guy sketches. 1347 00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:13,000 You need good resolution 1348 00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:15,000 powerful processor 1349 00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:16,000 because the computer has to start thinking 1350 00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:18,000 as fast as my brain does. 1351 00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:19,000 I do this because I want 1352 00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:24,000 my artwork to help people. 1353 00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:01,000 ♪ You're not gonna watch it! ♪ ♪ ♪ 1354 00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:03,000 No, you're not gonna watch it! ♪ ♪ 1355 00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:04,000 We can't let you download on the goooooo! 1356 00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:09,000 ♪ ♪ You'll just have to miss it! ♪ 1357 00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:13,000 ♪ Yeah, you'll just have to miss it! 1358 00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:18,000 ♪ ♪ We can't let you download... ♪ 1359 00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:19,000 Uh, no thanks. I have X1 from XFINITY 1360 00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:23,000 so... Don't fall for DIRECTV. XFINITY 1361 00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:24,000 lets you download your shows from 1362 00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:29,000 anywhere. I used to like that song. 1363 00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:01,000 >>> WOG WOG HAS 20 REPORTERS 1364 00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:03,000 INVESTIGATELING TRUMP'S PAST FOR 1365 00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:04,000 A BOOK AND "NEW YORK TIMES" OUT 1366 00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:06,000 WITH A STORY CROSSING THE LINE 1367 00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:08,000 HOW DONALD TRUMP BEHAVED WITH 1368 00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:09,000 WOMEN IN PRIVATE. 1369 00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:11,000 HE'S LASHING OUT AT THE TIMES 1370 00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:12,000 THIS MORNING TWEETING THAT THE 1371 00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:15,000 PAPER IS A FAILURE, AND SAYING 1372 00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:17,000 THAT EVERYONE IS LAUGHINGTY HIT 1373 00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:18,000 PIECE. 1374 00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:21,000 YOU SEE HIM SAYING THIS KIND OF 1375 00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:24,000 THING. THIS IS TYPICAL CRITICISM FROM 1376 00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:27,000 HIM, BUT ARE WE SEES THE PRESS 1377 00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:30,000 DOING WHAT PEOPLE WANTED THEM TO 1378 00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:31,000 DO FOR NINE MONTHS. 1379 00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:33,000 IF YOU'RE SOMEONE LIKE "NEW YORK 1380 00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:35,000 TIMES" OR "THE WASHINGTON POST," 1381 00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:37,000 YOU SEE TRUMP RISING BUT YOU'RE 1382 00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:39,000 PREPARED FOR THE FACT IF HE'S 1383 00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:41,000 THE NOMINEE, YOU'VE GOT SIX MORE 1384 00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:43,000 MONTHS YOU HAVE TO COVER HIM. 1385 00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:46,000 NOW IS THE TIME -- YOU'RE 1386 00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:50,000 DEDICATING ALL YOUR RESOURCES TO 1387 00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:53,000 HILLARY CLINTON AND DONALD TRUMP 1388 00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:54,000 DONALD TRUMP. >> THIS IS WHAT WE SHOULD BE 1389 00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:55,000 SEEING? 1390 00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:56,000 >> I DO. 1391 00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:59,000 I THINK SOME OF THE HISTORICAL 1392 00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:00,000 STUFF WILL PROBABLY NOT STICK 1393 01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:01,000 VERY HARD. 1394 01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:02,000 IT'S PRETTY CLEAR HE WAS NOT 1395 01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:04,000 LIVING HIS LIFE LIKE HE WAS 1396 01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:05,000 RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT 25 YEARS 1397 01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:08,000 AGO. >>> WE'RE OUT OF TIME 1398 01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:11,000 UNFORTUNATELY, BUT IT'S A GOOD 1399 01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:13,000 REMINDER WE'RE STARTING TO SEE 1400 01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:16,000 SIX MORE TONS. 1401 01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:21,000 "STUST UNION" STARTS RIGHT NOW. 1402 01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:25,000 >>> TRUMP 2.0? 1403 01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:27,000 THE OUTSIDER CANDIDATE MAKES 1404 01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:28,000 NICE WITH THE ESTABLISHMENT ON 1405 01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:31,000 CAPITOL HILL. 1406 01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:32,000 >> I WAS VERY ENCOURAGED WITH 1407 01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:33,000 WHAT I HEARD FROM DONALD TRUMP. 1408 01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:34,000 >> AND SEEMS TO BACK OFF HIS 1409 01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:35,000 CONTROVERSIAL MUSLIM BAN. 1410 01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:36,000 >> I'M ALWAYS FLEXIBLE ON 1411 01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:37,000 ISSUES. 1412 01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:39,000 >> IS THE TRUMP STRATEGY 1413 01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:40,000 SHIFTING? 1414 01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:42,000 WE'LL ASK HIS TOP AIDE IN 1415 01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:46,000 MINUTES. >>> PLUS GHOSTS OF TRUMP PAST. 1416 01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:49,000 >> HE'S A GOOD GUY AND NOT GOING 1417 01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:50,000 TO HURT ANYBODY. >> Reporter: DID THE PRESUMPTIVE 1418 01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:53,000 REPUBLICAN NOMINEE REALLY POSE 1419 01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:55,000 AS HIS OWN PR AGENT? >> DOESN'T SOUND LIKE ME. 1420 01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:56,000 >> Reporter: WILL THE TABLOID 1421 01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:58,000 KING'S OLD ANTICS COME BACK TO 1422 01:00:58,000 --> 01:01:01,000 HAUNT HIM?