ONLY PLANET WITH LIFE IN THE
UNIVERSE WOULD BE INEXCUSABLY
BIGHEADED OF US.
THANKS TO ALL OF YOU FOR BEING
PART OF MY PROGRAM THIS WEEK.
I WILL SEE YOU NEXT WEEK.
>>> HEY, GOOD MORNING.
I'M BRIAN STELTER. THIS IS "RELIABLE SOURCES," OUR
WEEKLY LOOK AT THE STORY BEHIND
THE STORY, OF HOW NEWS AND POP
CULTURE REALLY GET MADE.
WE'RE COMING TO YOUR LIVE FROM
CNN'S LOS ANGELES BUREAU TODAY
WITH FRESH REPORTING ON THIS
WEEK'S HUGE FACEBOOK CONTROVERSY
AND AN INTERVIEW WITH NATE
SILVER.
HE'S FAMOUS MORE CORRECTLY
FORECASTING SO MANY ELECTIONS.
NOW SILVER IS BEING ASKED WHY HE
FAILED TO SEE DONALD TRUMP
COMING.
THAT'S AHEAD THIS HOUR.
PLUS, DID YOU HEAR ABOUT THIS?
THE HOLLYWOOD REPORTER BANNED
FROM A WOODY ALLEN PRESS EVENT
AFTER PUBLISHING THIS SCATHING
COLUMN ABOUT ALLEN'S ALLEGED
ACTS OF SEXUAL ABUSE.
TOP EDITOR JANICE MIN IS HERE TO
TAKE US BEHIND THE SCENES.
AND LATER, A VERY SPECIAL
INTERVIEW WITH THE ONE, THE ONLY
LARRY KING. BUT UP FIRST, A QUESTION WE ALL
NEED TO BE ASKING THIS ELECTION
SEASON. ARE MEMBERS OF THE NEWS MEDIA
HELPING TO PRODUCE THE TRUMP
SHOW? AND IS IT WARPING OUR DEMOCRATIC
PROCESS?
IT IS EASY, MAYBE WAY TOO EASY,
TO RELY ON REALITY TV TROEPS TO
DESCRIBE THIS ELECTION.
EVEN ONE OF TRUMP'S TOP AIDE'S
DID IT ON "HARDBALL" THE OTHER
DAY. HE WAS TALKING ABOUT THE
CONVENTION. I THOUGHT THIS QUOTE WAS
REVEALING. >> DO YOU HAVE MOVIES?
>> WE'RE GOING TO PUT A PROGRAM
TOGETHER. IT'S NOT PUT TOGETHER YET.
>> A REALITY SHOW OF SOME KIND?
>> THIS IS THE ULTIMATE REALITY
SHOW. IT'S THE PRESIDENCY OF THE
UNITED STATES. >> THE ULTIMATE REALITY SHOW.
I GUESS EVEN BIGGER THAN "THE
APPRENTICE."
THIS SHOW IS AIRI INING ON EVER
NEWS CHANNEL, HAPPENING
AFTERNOON EVERY
WEBSITE. I KNOW YOU AT HOME HAVE MIXED
REVIEWS.
WATCH THIS.
>> OUR NBC TEAM IS STAKING OUT
TODAY'S MEETING.
>> JUST ONE HOUR AWAY.
>> DONALD TRUMP AND PAUL RYAN
MEETING IN A FEW MINUTES.
>> HERE WE GO, EVERYBODY.
>> TRUMP HAS JUST ARRIVED.
WE'RE GOING TO TAKE YOU THERE
LIVE. >> YOU SEE MR. TRUMP.
>> WE KNOW PAUL RYAN IS IN THE
BUILDING. WE KNOW DONALD TRUMP IS IN THE
BUILDING PRESUMABLY.
THEY'RE IN THE SAME ROOM TOGETHER.
>> THAT MEETING JUST WRAPPED.
KATY TUR, WHAT CAN YOU TELL US?
>> BASICALLY JUST THAT RIGHT
NOW. THE MEETING HAS WRAPPED UP.
>> THE SECOND MEETING DONALD
TRUMP IS HAVING HAS ENDED.
THOSE CHILDREN WERE NOT PART OF
THAT HAVE MEETING.
>> YEAH, IT WAS GOOD TV AT
POINTS, BUT WAS IT GOOD
JOURNALISM?
WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT HOW EVERY
DAY THE STORY LINES OF THE SHOW
GET WILDER AND CRAZIER.
IT REALLY IS THE KIND OF STUFF
YOU SEE ON REALITY TV.
IN FACT, ANOTHER REALITY TV STAR
WAS RECENTLY RECRUITED TO
CHALLENGE TRUMP.
MARK CUBAN FROM "SHARK TANK."
I TALKED TO HIM ABOUT THAT LAST
NIGHT. I'LL SHOW YOU WHAT HE SAID IN A
MOMENT. TO LAY IT OUT HERE, HOW SHOULD
JOURNALISTS HANDLE THIS FUSING
OF POLITICS AND ENTERTAINMENT?
ARE WE RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS
REALITY SHOW NARRATIVE, AND ARE
WE CAPABLE OF RESISTING IT?
LET'S ASK OUR PANEL OF MEDIA
INSIDERS, STARTING WITH
LONG-TIME POLITICAL ANALYST JEFF
GREENFIELD. ALSO, DYLAN BYERS AND BRIAN
LOWERY, CNN'S SENIOR WRITER FROM
MEDIA. THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE.
JEFF, LET ME GO TO YOU FIRST.
DO YOU THINK THIS IS THE
INEVITABLE CONCLUSION OF THE
MELDING OF TV AND POLITICS?
GO BACK TO THE FIRST TELEVISED
DEBATES AND HOW THAT CREATED A
NARRATIVE.
>> THE FIRST THING I HAVE TO SAY
IS LOOKING AT THAT
HYPERVENTILATION, JON STEWART
MUST BE SORRY HE GAVE UP HIS
DAILY SHOW BECAUSE HE WAS AN
EXPERT IN PIERCING THAT.
TO YOUR POINT, AS SOON AS THE
FIRST DEBATE HAPPENED WITH 24
MILLION VIEWERS, EVERY NEWS
EXECUTIVE, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE
OLD CARTOONS SAW DOLLAR SIGNS IN
THEIR EYES.
THERE WAS A HUGE AUDIENCE PARTLY
BECAUSE OF "THE APPRENTICE,"
PARTLY BECAUSE TRUMP WAS SO
DIFFERENT FROM NORMAL
POLITICIANS. WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE MEDIA,
IT'S WAY TOO BROAD.
THERE WERE SHARP CRITICISMS OF
TRUMP FROM THE BEGINNING.
THERE WERE OTHERS WHO JUST
ROLLED OVER AND LET HIM HAVE HIS
WAY. WITHOUT THE POLITICAL
DISCONTENT, PARTICULARLY WITHIN
THE REPUBLICAN BASE, ALL THE
REALITY TELEVISION IN THE WORLD
WOULDN'T HAVE MADE A DIFFERENCE.
IT HELPED.
IT WAS A FUEL.
BUT THE FUNDAMENTAL PART OF THIS FIRE WAS LIT BY THE DISCONTENT
AMONG LARGE NUMBERS OF THE
REPUBLICAN PARTY WITH HOW THEIR
LIVES WERE GOING AND HOW THEIR
PARTY WAS HANDLING THAT.
>> LET ME GO TO BRIAN LOWERY ON
THIS. YOU'VE BEEN COVERING THE
TELEVISION BUSINESS FOR DECADES.
YOU COVERED "THE APPRENTICE"
WHEN DONALD TRUMP WAS ON.
NOW ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER IS
ABOUT TO TAKE OVER. DO YOU THINK SOME OF THE
COVERAGE KIND OF COMES ACROSS AS
ENTERTAINMENT? HAS THERE BEEN AN IRRESPONSIBLE
BLURRING OF THE LINES BETWEEN
NEWS AND ENTERTAINMENT IN THIS
ELECTION PSYCYCLE IN PARTICULAR?
>> ABSOLUTELY IT COMES ACROSS AS
ENTERTAINMENT.
THERE'S A STRONG PRECEDENT FOR
IT.
I THINK THE MEDIA CERTAINLY
SHOULD BE DOING SOME SOUL SEARCHING ABOUT THIS.
YET -- >> ABOUT WHAT IN PARTICULAR?
>> ABOUT THE NOTION OF COVERING
IT AS A REALITY SHOW.
TO BE HONEST, WHEN THE CAMPAIGN
IS BEING CONDUCTED VERY MUCH
LIKE A REALITY SHOW, IT'S NOT
SURPRISING OR NECESSARILY
INAPPROPRIATE THAT IT WOULD BE
COVERED THAT WAY.
>> YOU BRING UP THE IDEA IT'S
VERY DIFFERENT FROM ANY OTHER
CAMPAIGN WE'VE SEEN.
I THINK THIS WHOLE ISSUE OF A
FAKE SPOKESMAN IS AN EXAMPLE.
DYLAN, YOU WERE RIGHT ABOUT THIS
ON FRIDAY. PRETTY CLEARLY TRUMP IS THE ONE
ON THE PHONE.
WE'RE HEARING PEOPLE NOW SAY
THAT MAYBE IT WAS MADE UP, THAT
HE WAS IMPERSONATED, BUT THERE'S
NO EVIDENCE OF THAT.
THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF A REALITY
SHOW TYPE BEHAVIOR.
>> YEAH, NO, TOTALLY.
IT'S HIM MANIPULATING THE MOO ED
YA, AND IT'S HIM TRYING TO CALL
THE SHOTS AT EVERY STAGE OF THIS
CAMPAIGN. YOU KNOW, LOOK, I THINK JEFF
MADE A COUPLE REALLY GOOD
POINTS, ONE OF WHICH IS WE HAVE
TO THINK ABOUT THERE ARE DIFFERENT KINDS OF MEDIA.
THE MOST -- I THINK THE ONE
THAT'S COVERED THIS THE MOST
LIKE A REALITY SHOW IS
TELEVISION MEDIA.
THERE ARE ACTUALLY PRECEDENTS GOING BACK IN THE HISTORY OF
PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGNS THAT HAVE
BEEN BUILDING US UP TO THIS
POINT. GO BACK TO 1960 AND THE
KENNEDY/NIXON DEBATES, BUT THE
RECOUNT IN FLORIDA IN 2000 WAS A
HUGE MEDIA MOMENT.
THE OBAMA V. HILLARY, THE SARAH
PALIN 2008, HUGE MEDIA MOMENT.
WE HAVE BEEN BUILDING UP TO A
POINT AT WHICH MEDIA AND
POLITICS COALESCE AND BECOME THE
SAME THING. IF YOU LOOK BACK AT DONALD
TRUMP'S CAMPAIGN AND LOOK BACK
AT THE 2016 ELECTION, YOU'RE NOT
LOOKING AT A POLITICAL CAMPAIGN
SO MUCH AS A MEDIA CAMPAIGN.
EVERYTHING HE HAS DONE HAS BEEN
ABOUT MANIPULATING MEDIA, ABOUT
SORT OF NAVIGATING MEDIA IN
ORDER TO -- >> RIGHT, BUT WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT IN ORDER TO
UNDERSTAND HIS CAMPAIGN.
TO THAT POINT, THERE WAS THIS
INTERESTING STORY ON FRIDAY
ABOUT THE SHEER VOLUME OF NEWS
COVERAGE OF TRUMP BEING A
FACTOR. THINK ABOUT JUST WHAT HAPPENED
ON THURSDAY AND FRIDAY.
THERE WERE A DOZEN STORY LINES
ABOUT TRUMP.
HIS BUTLER SOUNDING LIKE A
RACIST. TRUMP FLIP-FLOPPING ON TAXES.
HIS SEEMINGLY PLAY ACTING AS HIS
OWN SPOKESMAN.
"THE NEW YORK TIMES" WROTE ABOUT
THIS ON FRIDAY.
HOW MUCH BAD PRESS DOES IT TAKE
TO COST DONALD TRUMP A NEWS
CYCLE? GABRIEL CONCLUDED THAT TRUMP
WON.
THE CLINTON CAMPAIGN PRESS
SECRETARY TOOK EXCEPTION TO
THIS. HE TWEETED AT ME AND WROTE THIS.
MARK US DOWN AS FEELING CONFIDENT TRUMP DID NOT WIN THE
DAY. IT'S NIHILIST TO EQUATE LYING
NONSTOP WITH WINNING.
DON'T YOU THINK THERE'S SPLG TO
THIS IDEA THAT TRUMP SATURATES
THE NEWS WORLD?
HE HAS SO MANY STORY LINES GOING
ON SIMULTANEOUSLY.
IF SOMETHING NEGATIVE IS GOING
ON, HE CREATES A NEW STORY LINE.
DON'T WE HAVE TO ACKNOWLEDGE
THAT MAYBE THE CLINTON CAMPAIGN
FACES A PROBLEM BECAUSE TRUMP IS
PLAYING THIS DIFFERENT KIND OF
MEDIA GAME?
>> YEAH, AND FOR ME, THE
FUNDAMENTAL QUESTION HERE IS ARE
ALL OF THE ASSUMPTIONS PEOPLE
LIKE ME HAVE MADE ABOUT THIS
PROCESS SOMEHOW BEEN RENDERED
INOPERATIVE? THAT IS, STARTING WITH TRUMP'S
FIRST COMMENT ABOUT JOHN McCAIN
WAY BACK LAST SPRING OR SUMMER
WHERE A LOT OF US ASSUMED, WELL,
THAT'S THE JOE McCARTHY MOMENT.
HE'S DOOMED.
THERE'S SOMETHING. AND THIS IS WHAT I SAID EARLIER.
THERE'S SOMETHING ABOUT HOW
TRUMP SUPPORTERS RESPOND TO THIS
WHERE THE QUESTION HAS BEEN
ASKED IS, WHAT WOULD IT TAKE FOR
THEM TO SAY, GEE, MAYBE I'M
WRONG. WE MAY BE IN A SITUATION THAT
HAS CHANGED EVERY RULE ABOUT HOW
WE THINK THE PRESS WORKS AND
WHAT THE IMPACT THE PRESS
COVERAGE -- I MEAN, CRITICAL
PRESS COVERAGE, IS.
>> DO YOU THINK THE RULES WERE,
IN EFFECT, SO TO SPEAK, IN 2008,
OR WERE THE RULES NEVER REALLY
IN EFFECT AT ALL?
OH, THAT'S GOING TO RUIN MITT
ROMNEY, THAT'S GOING TO HURT JAN
McCAIN, THAT'S GOING TO RUIN
BARACK OBAMA.
WERE THEY NEVER RULES A THE ALL,
JEFF? >> THAT'S THE POINT.
IN THE PAST, CRITICAL STORIES
HAVE HAD CRITICAL IMPACT.
SO THIS NOTION THAT DONALD TRUMP HAS GOT $1.9 BILLION OF FREE
PUBLICITY, IN MY VIEW, IS WAY
OFF THE MARK.
A LOT OF THE COVERAGE, EVEN
EARLY, WAS HIGHLY CRITICAL, THE
KIND OF COVERAGE THAT WOULD HAVE
UPENDED ANY OTHER CAMPAIGN.
ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT 500
MEDIA CONFERENCES WILL BE ASKING
IN THE YEARS TO COME, IT'S FULL
EMPLOYMENT FOR FOLKS LIKE YOU,
BRIAN, BELIEVE ME, IS WHAT IS
DIFFERENT ABOUT THIS YEAR THAT
THE NORMAL IMPACT OF VERY SHARP
NEGATIVE STORIES DOES NOT SO FAR
SEEM TO HAVE AN IMPACT.
OTHER THAN HIS HIGH
UNFAVORABILITY RATINGS.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO WAIT
UNTIL NOVEMBER.
>> I THINK PART OF THE ANSWER TO
THAT, DYLAN, IS THAT TRUMP SAYS
THE MEDIA IS DISHONEST.
DON'T BELIEVE WHAT YOU READ.
EVEN THIS MORNING ON TWITTER HE
WAS TELLING HIS SUPPORTERS, DO
NOT BELIEVE US.
>> THIS GETS TO A KEY POINT, AND
I DON'T THINK IT'S ONE WE'VE
SPENT ENOUGH TIME TALKING ABOUT.
THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT REALITY
SHOWS. THERE WAS THE REPUBLICAN PRIMARY
REALITY SHOW.
NOW THERE'S THE GENERAL ELECTION
REALITY SHOW.
WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH A
REPUBLICAN PRIMARY AUDIENCE, YOU'RE DEALING WITH A LOT OF
VOTERS OUT THERE WHO HATE THE
SYSTEM, WHO HATE THE
ESTABLISHMENT, WHO REALLY DON'T
CARE WHETHER OR NOT THE MEDIA IS
CRITICAL OF DONALD TRUMP IN ALL
THIS COVERAGE OR SAYS HE'S LYING
OR NOT TELLING THE TRUTH.
THEY JUST LIKE DONALD TRUMP AND
LIKE THE SPECTACLE OF DONALD
TRUMP. THE GENERAL ELECTION AUDIENCE IS
A MUCH DIFFERENT AUDIENCE.
IT'S ONE WHERE YOU HAVE NEGATIVE
RATINGS AMONG WOMEN AT 70%,
NEGATIVE RATINGS AMONG
AFRICAN-AMERICANS AND HISPANICS
AT HIGHER NUMBERS. THOSE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE
LOOKING AT THE COVERAGE.
ON A DAY WHEN DONALD TRUMP IS
OFFENDING THE NATION, THAT'S NOT
DONALD TRUMP WINNING THE NEWS
CYCLE FOR THEM.
THAT'S YET ANOTHER REMINDER THAT
THEY'RE NOT GOING TO VOTE FOR
THIS GUY.
>> SPEAKING OF NEGATIVISM WITH
WOMEN, THAT'S WHY THE MEGYN
KELLY INTERVIEW IS COMING UP.
MARK CUBAN WAS RECRUITED TO RUN
AS A THIRD-PARTY CANDIDATE, BUT
HE SAYS, I CAN'T DO IT, IT WOULD
HAVE BEEN FUN, BUT HE ALSO HINTS
MAYBE THERE'S A CHANCE IN THE
FUTURE.
I THINK THE TIME IS RIGHT FOR A
TECHNOLOGY LITERAL ENTREPRENEUR
TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT. THE ISSUE FOR ANY SUCH CANDIDATE
IS THAT THE PROCESS IS BROKEN.
IT'S A CIRCUS RATHER THAN A
LEARNING PROCESS FOR ALL
INVOLVED.
SO THIS AMAZED ME, BRIAN.
HERE'S THE REALITY TV STAR
SAYING THE POLITICAL PROCESS IS
BROKEN.
HIS POINT ABOUT THE ELECTION
THIS TIME IS IT'S TOO LATE TO
RUN AS A THIRD PARTY, PROBABLY
WOULDN'T WIN ANYWAY. DO YOU THINK WE'LL SEE MARK
CUBAN TYPE CANDIDATES IN THE
FUTURE?
>> I DON'T THINK YOU CAN
DISCOUNT THE PERFORMANCE QUALITY
TRUMP HAS BROUGHT TO THIS. IT'S ONE OF THE THINGS HE'S BEEN
ABLE TO DO THROUGHOUT THE
CAMPAIGN, WHICH IS HE CAN SAY
THINGS WHICH ARE OUTLANDISH
BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY A TROEP OF
REALITY TV, WHICH IS THAT YOU
PLAY THE GAME, YOU SAY WHAT YOU
NEED TO WIN, AND THEN EVERYBODY
CAN BE HUGS AFTER THE BOARDROOM
AND TRIBAL COUNCIL.
THAT'S REALLY WHAT'S BEEN GOING
ON. IF YOU SEE IT, THERE'S OFTEN A
PIVOT AS SOON AS SOMEONE DROPS
OUT OF THE RACE.
I REALLY LIKED LITTLE MARCO, BUT
I WAS JUST TRYING TO BEAT HIM.
IF YOU'VE WATCHED ENOUGH REALITY
TV, AND I'VE WATCHED MORE THAN
IS HEALTHY OVER THE YEARS,
PEOPLE TALK ALL THE TIME ABOUT
PLAYING THE GAME.
YOU PLAY THE GAME TO WIN.
TRUMP IS VERY CLEARLY PLAYING
THE GAME. >> IT'S HELPFUL TO THINK ABOUT
THAT REALITY TV LANGUAGE WHEN WE
APPLY IT TO THIS CAMPAIGN.
>> MARK CUBAN IS ALSO PLAYING
THE GAME HERE.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MARK CUBAN
RIGHT NOW.
HE JUST BOUGHT HIMSELF A DAY,
MAYBE A FEW DAYS OF FREE PRESS.
JUST BAY SAYING HE'S NOT GOING
TO RUN.
>> THAT IS TRUE. HE WON'T SAY WHO WAS RECRUITING
HIM. PROBABLY BILL CRYSTAL.
>> OR HIS AGENT.
>> DYLAN, BRIAN, STICK AROUND IF
YOU CAN.
JEFF, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
>>> COMING UP, DID YOU SEE THIS
STORY TRENDING ON FACEBOOK?
AN EXPLOSIVE STORY ALLEGING THAT
FACEBOOK SUPPRESSED CONSERVATIVE
NEWS STORIES.
PROOF THAT FACEBOOK HAS TOO MUCH
POWER? I'LL TELL YOU WHY THIS REPORT
SHOULD ALARM AND IMPACT EVERYONE
IN MEDIA DESPITE YOUR POLITICAL
PERSUASION RIGHT AFTER THIS. This is Brad.
His day of coaching begins
with knee pain, when...
Hey Brad, wanna trade the all day
relief of two Aleve for six Tylenol?
What's the catch? There's no catch.
You want me to give up my two Aleve
for six Tylenol?
No.
For my knee pain,
nothing beats my Aleve.
>>> WHAT'S THE MOST POWERFUL
NAME IN NEWS?
YOU MIGHT SAY CNN OR FOX NEWS OR THE AP OR THE BBC, BUT I WOULD
SAY IT'S FACEBOOK.
NOT BECAUSE FACEBOOK DOES ANY
ACTUAL REPORTING, BUT BECAUSE
IT'S THE SINGLE BIGGEST SOCIAL
NETWORK ON THE PLANET.
IT'S WHERE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS
OF PEOPLE SEE LOTS OF LINKS TO
NEWS.
IN FACT, FACEBOOK IS THE SINGLE BIGGEST SOURCE OF TRAFFIC FOR
MANY SITES.
SITES EITHER THRIVE OR WITHER
AWAY BECAUSE OF FACEBOOK.
THAT'S WHY THIS NEXT STORY IS SO
CONCERNING. FACEBOOK IS ON THE DEFENSIVE
THIS WEEK AFTER AN EXPLOSIVE
REPORT BY THE TECH BLOG DGIZMOD.
THE TRENDING TOPICS BOX, THAT IT
WAS SOMETIMES MANIPULATED TO
SUPPRESS CONSERVATIVE NEWS STORIES AND INJECT OTHER NEWS
STORIES, FOR EXAMPLE, BLACK
LIVES MATTER PROTEST NEWS.
NOW, OTHER FORMER WORKERS DENY
THESE CLAIMS. IT'S IMPORTANT TO SAY THERE'S NO
PROOF AND THESE WERE ONLY
ANONYMOUS CLAIMS.
BUT THAT SINGLE SPARK ON MONDAY
STARTED A HUGE FIRE.
BY THE END OF THE WEEK, CEO MARK
ZUCKERBERG HAD TO WEIGH IN.
HE WROTE A POST ABOUT THIS
SAYING WE'VE FOUND NO EVIDENCE
THIS REPORT IS TRUE, AND IF WE
FIND ANYTHING AGAINST OUR
PRINCIPLES, YOU HAVE MY
COMMITMENT WE WILL TAKE
ADDITIONAL STEPS TO ADDRESS IT.
I'M TOLD BY A SPOKESMAN AT
FACEBOOK THAT GLENN BECK HAS
BEEN INVITED TO A MEETING WITH
ZUCKERBERG, OTHERS AS WELL,
CONSERVATIVE THOUGHT LEADERS WHO
WILL BE MEETING WITH THE CEO.
LET'S GO BACK TO WHAT ZUCKERBERG
SAID. HE SAID PRINCIPLES. WHAT ARE FACEBOOK'S NEWS
PRINCIPLES?
HOW CAN WE TRUST IT TO WIELD
THAT POWER RESPONSIBLY?
MY NEXT TWO GUESTS HAVE SOME
ANSWERS TO THAT.
KELLY McBRIDE IS AT THE POINTER
INSTITUTE. MOLLY HEMINGWAY IS FROM "THE
FEDERALIST."
THANK YOU BOTH FOR BEING HERE.
MOLLY, LET ME START WITH YOU.
WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF AN
EXTRAORDINARY ELECTION SEASON, AND HERE'S THIS REPORT THAT
FACEBOOK MIGHT BE BURYING NEWS
FAVORABLE TO CONSERVATIVES.
A, DO YOU BELIEVE IT?
B, WHAT ARE THE RAMIFICATIONS
FOR A WEBSITE LIKE YOURS?
>> I THINK THE REASON WHY THIS
STORY RESONATED SO MUCH IS THAT
IT CONFIRMED THE SUSPICIONS THAT
SO MANY CONSERVATIVES AND
CONSERVATIVE MEDIA OUTLETS HAD
GOING BACK QUITE SOME TIME ABOUT
SUPPRESSION OF CONSERVATIVE NEWS
STORIES AND SITES AND ALSO
ELEVATION OF OTHER TOPICS.
WE'VE CERTAINLY EXPERIENCED THIS
AT "THE FEDERALIST," NOT JUST IN
TERMS OF THE TRENDING TOPICS
ISSUE BUT OTHER SUPPRESSION WHERE STORIES THAT ARE
COMPLETELY ACADEMIC ARE DEEMED
UNSAFE. WE HAD A STORY ON TRIGGER
WARNINGS AND MICROAGGRESSIONS
THAT COULDN'T BE POSTED BECAUSE
IT WAS DEEMED UNSAFE, WHICH WAS
RIDICULO RIDICULO
RIDICULOUS. OR PERHAPS THE WORST EXAMPLE WAS
WHEN THE PLANNED PARENTHOOD
STORY BROKE AND WENT VIRAL
WITHIN MINUTES. IT TOOK A LONG TIME FOR FACEBOOK
TO ACKNOWLEDGE THIS WAS A
TRENDING TOPIC. WHEN THEY DID, THEY DIDN'T LINK
TO THE CONSERVATIVE SITES THAT
WERE BREAKING THE NEWS AND DOING
THE INVESTIGATIONS.
THEY LINKED TO A FEW PLAN THE
PARENTHOOD SPONSORED ITEMS
INSTEAD. THAT REALLY AFFECTS THE WAY
PUBLIC OPINION CAN BE SHAPED AND
HOW OTHER MEDIA FIGURES RESPOND.
SO THIS IS NOT A HEALTHY THING,
PARTICULARLY SINCE THEY PRESENT
THIS TRENDING TOPIC THING AS IF
IT'S JUST AN ALGORITHM AND IF
THEY'RE NEUTRAL.
>> YEAH, THE EYE-OPENING PART OF
THIS, THIS WEEK, WAS THE
TRENDING TOPICS IS REVIEWED BY
EDITORS. KELLY, LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT
THIS. THERE'S GOOD REASONS TO HAVE
EDITORS. FACEBOOK EDITORS CAN TAKE AWAY
SPAM AND SCAM AND HOAXES AND
HELP NOT GET PEOPLE MISLED.
IF THEY'RE ALSO REMOVING OR DOWN
PLAYING STORIES, LINKS TO SITES
LIKE THE FEDERALIST, THAT CAN BE
A REAL PROBLEM AND CAN GO RIGHT TO THE HEART OF FACEBOOK'S
CREDIBILITY.
BUT THESE WORDS LIKE CREDIBILITY
AND EDITORS, THEY'RE NOT WORDS
THAT FACEBOOK IS USED TO BECAUSE
FACEBOOK SAYS IT'S JUST A
PLATFORM. >> RIGHT.
FACEBOOK SEES ITSELF AS A
TECHNOLOGY COMPANY, AS A SOCIAL
MEDIA PLATFORM, WHEN IN FACT
THEY'RE DOING THE WORK OF
JOURNALISM IN DISTRIBUTING
JOURNALISM TO THE MASSES.
FOR FACEBOOK, THIS IS A TURNING
POINT. THEY'RE ASKING THEMSELVES
QUESTIONS AS A COMPANY ABOUT WHAT THEIR RESPONSIBILITIES ARE.
EVERY TIME YOU ASK FACEBOOK IN
THE PAST ABOUT THEIR OBLIGATIONS
TO DEMOCRACY AND TO THE
MARKETPLACE OF IDEAS, THEY'VE
ALWAYS HAD THE RIGHT ANSWERS.
BUT PROACTIVELY, THEY HAVEN'T
HAD ANY OF THE POLICIES THAT
COMPANIES LIKE NEWS COMPANIES
HAVE HAD IN PLACE, POLICIES OF
TRANSPARENCY, POLICIES OF
ACCOUNTABILITY TO THE PUBLIC,
AND NOW I THINK THEY'RE AT A
CRITICAL POINT WHERE THEY'RE
ASKING THEMSELVES SOME QUESTIONS
ABOUT WHETHER THEY NEED THOSE
POLICIES.
THE STATEMENT THAT FACEBOOK PUT
OUT THIS WEEK WAS THE MOST
TRANSPARENT I'VE EVER SEEN
FACEBOOK ABOUT ANY OF THEIR
POLICIES, AND IT WAS A REALLY
GOOD FIRST STEP.
>> YEAH, I THINK IT'S STILL
PRETTY MUCH -- STILL VERY
OPAQUE. YOU'RE RIGHT, THEY'V BEEN A
LITTLE MORE TRANSPARENT, BUT
THERE'S STILL SO MUCH WE DON'T
KNOW. IT'S CONCERNING BECAUSE FACEBOOK
IS SO DARN BIG.
WE SHOULD MENTION HERE THE
COMPANY ALSO HAS BIG
RELATIONSHIPS WITH LOTS OF NEWS
COMPANIES. THEY HAVE A NEW PRODUCT CALLED
FACEBOOK LIVE, A LIVE VIDEO
STREAMING. WE'VE TRIED IT HERE ON "RELIABLE
SOURCES."
RECENTLY FACEBOOK STARTED PAYING
CNN AND LOTS OF OTHER NEWS
COMPANIES IN ORDER TO CREATE
LOTS OF FACEBOOK LIVE CONTENT.
THEY'RE NOT SAYING WHAT TO
CREATE, BUT THEY'RE ENCOURAGING
QUANTITY, ENCOURAGING TO DO IT
OFTEN. THERE ARE ALL THESE
RELATIONSHIPS WITH NEWS
COMPANIES. IT'S SUCH A COMPLICATED
SITUATION HERE.
MOLLY, I THINK WHAT FACEBOOK WOULD SAY, TO YOUR POINT ABOUT
THE STORIES ABOUT PLANNED
PARENTHOOD NOT SHOWING UP RIGHT
AWAY, IS THAT'S WHY THEY NEED
EDITORS TO MAKE SURE IT SHOWS
UP. OTHERWISE, THE ALGORITHM WASN'T
WORKING FAST ENOUGH. WHAT DO YOU WANT TO SEE FACEBOOK
DO? >> THAT'S THE POINT.
OUR DATA SHOWED THAT STORY WENT
VIRAL IMMEDIATELY.
I CANNOT CONVEY HOW MANY PEOPLE
WERE ON OUR SITE LOOKING AT
THAT. THAT IT DIDN'T SHOW UP ON
TRENDING TOPICS IS BIZARRE TO
THE HIGHEST DEGREE.
AND THERE ARE SO MANY PROBLEMS
THAT WERE REVEALED EVEN AS
FACEBOOK WAS DENYING THESE
ALLEGATIONS.
THEY SAID THEY ONLY -- THEY HAVE
A LIST OF SOURCES THAT THEY
CONSIDER DECENT AND WORTHY OF --
IF THREE OF THOSE SOURCES ARE
TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING, THEY'LL
PUT IT ON TRENDING TOPICS.
SOME OF THOSE ARE STATE
CONTROLLED. SOME ARE COMMUNIST NEWS
ORGANIZATIONS OUT OF CHINA.
THERE ARE ALL SORTS OF WAYS YOU
CAN MANIPULATE THAT USING
STATE-CONTROLLED MEDIA. WE NEED TO SEE MUCH MORE
TRANSPARENCY.
ONE OF THE THINGS ZUCKERBERG
SAID, WHO HAS BEEN MADE VERY
WEALTHY BY FACEBOOK, $4.4
MILLION A DAY FOR EVERY DAY HE'S
BEEN ALIVE.
HE SAYS THEY KEEP A LIST OF
THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN BLACKLISTED FROM TRENDING
TOPICS.
I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT LIST.
I'D LIKE TO SEE MUCH MORE, EVEN
THE STATEMENT SAYING WE HAVE
POLICIES AND PROCEDURES.
THE FORMER FACEBOOK EMPLOYEES
THEMSELVES SAID THEY WERE
DIRECTED TO BLOCK CERTAIN SITES
AND TO BLOCK CERTAIN STORIES.
SO IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER IF
THE POLICIES ARE THERE.
IF THE CULTURE IS SUCH THAT IT
SUPPRESSES CONSERVATIVE NEWS AND NEWS FIGURES.
>> REALLY QUICKLY, KELLY, I HAVE
TO RUN, BUT YOU SUGGESTED
FACEBOOK SHOULD HAVE A PUBLIC
EDITOR. YOU USED TO BE THE OMBUDSMAN FOR
ESPN. IF THEY CALL YOU, WILL YOU
CONSIDER BEING THEIR PUBLIC
EDITOR? >> OH, I DON'T THINK THEY'RE
GOING TO CALL ME, BUT I THINK
IT'S A FABULOUS IDEA.
>> I DO TOO.
I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA.
AND WE'LL KEEP FOLLOWING THIS
MEETING ON WEDNESDAY WITH
ZUCKERBERG AND CONSERVATIVE
MEDIA FIGURES.
KELLY, MOLLY, THANK YOU BOTH FOR
BEING HERE.
>> THANK YOU. >> THANKS, BRIAN.
>>> COMING UP NEXT, WHILE THE
MEDIA CONTINUES TO SEEK ACCESS
TO DONALD TRUMP, EVERY
INTERVIEWER WANTS TIME WITH HIM,
ONE BROADCASTER HAS NEVER HAD
TROUBLE GETTING A SIT-DOWN WITH
HIM. TV LEGEND LARRY KING JOINS ME
AFTER THE BREAK TO TALK ABOUT
WHAT MAKES TRUMP TICK.
ARE YOU POWERED BY PROTEIN?
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TO HELP GIVE ME ENERGY TO UNLEASH MY POTENTIAL.
START EVERY DAY WITH
MILK'S PROTEIN AND MILK LIFE.
"Daddy Doing Work",d
It's funny that I've been in the news for being a dad.
Windows 10 is great because
I need to keep organized.
School, grocery shopping.
My face can unlock this computer.
That's crazy.
MacBooks are not able to do that.
"Hey Cortana,
remind me we have a play date tomorrow at noon"
I need that in my world.
Anything that makes my life easier, I'm using.
And Windows is doing that.
>>> MAKE A LIST OF TV LEGENDS.
THE NAME ON THE TOP IS LARRY
KING. WE'RE ACTUALLY SITTING IN HIS
STUDIO.
FOR SO MANY YEARS HERE AT CNN IN
LOS ANGELES. LARRY ALWAYS GOT THE IMPOSSIBLE
GET AT CNN.
HE INTERVIEWED A WHO'S WHO OF
CELEBRITIES, DIGNITARIES, AND
POLITICIANS OVER THE YEARS,
INCLUDING THE MAN OF THE HOUR,
THE MAN OF THE YEAR, THE MANAGE
WHO MIGHT BE THE NEXT PRESIDENT
OF THE UNITED STATES, DONALD
TRUMP. >> PEOPLE ARE GOING TO PRESUME
THINGS. >> WELL, THEY CAN PRESUME
WHATEVER THEY WANT. I HAVE NO INTENTION OF RUNNING
FOR PRESIDENT. I DOUBT I'LL EVER BE INVOLVED IN
POLITICS. I'M GOING TO FORM A PRESIDENTIAL
EXPLORATORY COMMITTEE.
>> YOU CONSIDER ONCE RUNNING FOR
THE PRESIDENCY.
>> I DIDN'T CONSIDER IT LONG.
>> YOU DON'T WANT TO RUN FOR
OFFICE? >> I'D RATHER NOT, BUT I ALSO
WANT THIS COUNTRY TO BE GREAT
AGAIN.
>> IT'S NOT A TOUPEE.
IT'S NOT A COMB OVER.
>> DON'T MESS IT UP TOO MUCH.
>> HE CHECKED.
HE SAYS IT'S NOT A COMBOVER.
JOINING ME NOW IS THE TV LEGEND
HIMSELF, LARRY KING, WHO'S
ONLINE NOW.
LARRY, THANK YOU FOR COMING IN. >> MY PLEASURE.
WELCOME TO THE WEST.
>> ABSOLUTELY.
I WANTED TO ASK YOU ABOUT
INTERVIEWING TRUMP. WE'VE SEEN SO MANY INTERVIEWS OF
TRUMP THIS YEAR. YOU WERE TALKING TO HIM DECADES
AGO WHEN HE WAS STILL KIND OF
BECOMING WHO HE IS TODAY.
WAS HE AN EASY FIGURE TO
INTERVIEW OR A HARD FIGURE?
>> VERY EASY.
HE WAS FASCINATING BECAUSE HE
WAS TRUMP.
TRUMP WAS TRUMP. AND IS TRUMP.
WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IS A TRUE
REALITY STAR FIGURE WHO WAS --
EVEN THOUGH HE'S BURST ON TO THE
SCENE, HE WAS VERY WELL KNOWN.
IT'S NOT A SHOCK THAT PEOPLE ARE
ATTRACTED TO DONALD TRUMP.
>> WAS IT EASY TO BOOK HIM EVEN
20, 30 YEARS AGO?
>> EASY? SURE. >> YOU JUST CALL UP.
>> YEAH, HE LOVES THE MEDIA.
>> DO YOU BELIEVE THIS FAKE
SPOKESMAN STORY, BY THE WAY?
THIS IDEA HE WAS BEING HIS OWN
SPOKESMAN. HE ONCE ADMITTED TO IT, BUT NOW
HE'S DENYING IT.
>> IT'S KIND OF WEIRD, ISN'T IT?
WHY WOULD HE NEED TO DO THAT?
I'LL HAVE TO ASK HIM ABOUT IT.
I TALK TO DONALD A LOT.
I LIKE HIM A LOT PERSONALLY.
HE'S BEEN A FRIEND FOR YEARS.
HE'S BEEN GOOD TO MY FAMILY.
IN FACT, WE WERE FATHERS OF THE
YEAR TOGETHER.
>> WHERE?
>> IN NEW YORK IN THE MID-'90s.
>> SO YOU TALK TO HIM NOWADAYS
ABOUT HIS CAMPAIGN? >> YEAH.
>> ANY ADVICE YOU'VE GIVEN HIM?
>> I DON'T GIVE ADVICE.
YOU DON'T GIVE ADVICE TO DONALD
TRUMP.
BUT HE'S A FASCINATING PERSON.
I WONDER IF MAYBE YOU COULD
ANSWER THIS.
CHICKEN OR THE EGG?
IS HE FAMOUS BECAUSE WE COVERED
HIM, OR DID WE COVER HIM BECAUSE
HE'S FAMOUS?
WHAT HAPPENED FIRST? >> WELL, AT SOME POINT HE HAD TO
BECOME FAMOUS IN THE '80s.
THIS IS THE TABLOIDS MAYBE IN
THE '80s.
>> BUT DID WE, THE MEDIA, BUILD
HIM, OR WAS HE THE ATTRACTION
FIRST? WHAT STARTED IT?
WAS IT THE McCAIN THING?
I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE.
>> YEAH.
>> IF -- WAS IT JIM, WHATEVER
HIS NAME WAS, THE GUY WHO WAS
GOVERNOR OF VIRGINIA WHO WAS IN THE RACE FOR TWO MINUTES.
>> JIM GILMORE.
>> IF JIM GILMORE HAD COME OUT
AND SAID, I DON'T WANT TO LET
MUSLIMS INTO THE COUNTRY, WOULD
JIM -- WOULD WE HAVE RUSHED TO
JIM GILMORE?
WOULD WE? >> I LOOK AT THE POLLS FROM LAST
JULY. TRUMP GAME NUMBER ONE SO QUICKLY
IN THE POLLS.
THAT TELLS ME IT WASN'T JUST A
MEDIA CREATION.
IT WAS SOMETHING IN THE PUBLIC,
IN THE COUNTRY, WHERE TRUMP
RESONATED. >> IT WAS A COMBINATION OF THAT,
RIGHT.
IF GILMORE HAD SAID IT, WOULD IT
HAVE RESONATED? WE DON'T KNOW.
>> MAYBE IT WOULD HAVE BEEN A
ONE OR TWO-DAY STORY.
BUT WE'RE STILL TALKING ABOUT
THAT ALLEGED MUSLIM BAN BECAUSE
HE'S WALKING IT BACK, SAYING
IT'S JUST A SUGGESTION.
WHAT'S BEEN THE MOST DISTURBING
PART OF THIS CAMPAIGN?
>> THE WHOLE THING.
SOMEONE CALLED IT THE OTHER DAY,
THIS IS ELECTORAL DYSFUNCTION.
IT'S A GOOD LINE.
>> ON BOTH SIDES OR JUST ON THE
GOP SIDE? >> WELL, HILLARY IS -- SHE'S A
VERY, VERY BRIGHT INDIVIDUAL
WHO'S NOT A GREAT CAMPAIGNER.
SHE'S FINE IN ONE-ON-ONE
SITUATIONS. SHE'S EXTRAORDINARILY BRIGHT.
IN FACT, THE DEBATE, HER AND HIM
OUGHT TO BE ON PAID TV.
>> YOU THINK PEOPLE SHOULD HAVE
TO SUBSCRIBE.
>> THAT'S SUPER BOWL.
>> BUT THAT GETS TO WHAT WE WERE
TALKING ABOUT EARLIER, THE IDEA
OF THIS REALITY TV CAMPAIGN.
ISN'T THAT FUNDAMENTALLY BACK
FOR DEMOCRACY, THAT IT IS SO
ENTERTAINING, THAT IT IS SO
WILD, THAT WE WOULD PAY TO WATCH
IT? SHOULDN'T DEBATES BE KIND OF
BORING? >> I DON'T KNOW. WERE LINCOLN AND DOUGLAS BORING?
WELL, THEY HAD NO MODERATOR.
>> WELL, YOUR NAFTA DEBATE
WASN'T BORING, AND IT WAS ABOUT
VERY DETAILED TOPICS.
>> GORE CLEARLY WON.
NOW, THAT -- WHAT WILL HAPPEN
ISSUE THIS IS A GREAT THOUGHT.
WHAT WILL HAPPEN IN THE
HILLARY/TRUMP DEBATES?
>> YOU TELL ME.
YOU'RE THE BOSS. >> I'D LOVE TO MODERATE THEM.
I MODERATE ID THAT DEBATE
BETWEEN BUSH AND McCAIN IN SOUTH
CAROLINA.
THAT WAS SOME NIGHT.
AFTER McCAIN HAD WON NEW
HAMPSHIRE AND THEY HAD COME TO
SOUTH CAROLINA.
THAT WAS A TOUGH -- THEY WERE
REALLY MAD AT EACH OTHER.
BUT THE CLINTON -- WILL TRUMP
GET VICIOUS IN THAT DEBATE?
WILL HE GET PERSONAL?
WILL HE TALK ABOUT HER BEING AN
ENABLER OF HER HUSBAND?
IT'S UP TO THE MODERATOR.
>> IT'S UP TO THE MODERATOR TO
KEEP CONTROL. >> STAY ON THE ISSUES.
WILL HE KEEP TRUMP ON THE
ISSUES? WHAT'S HURTS TRUMP?
HE HASN'T RELEASED HIS TAXES. DOES THAT HURT HIM?
I'LL NEVER RAISE MONEY FROM
ANYONE ELSE. DOES THAT HURT HIM?
NOTHING HURTS HIM.
HE SAID HE COULD SHOOT SOMEONE
ON 5th AVENUE.
>> YOU'RE MAKING ME THINK HE HAS
A REAL SHOT AT THE WHITE HOUSE,
UNLIKE THE DATA, WHICH INDICATES
CLINTON IS THE FAVORITE BY FAR.
>> IF YOU CAN MAKE ANYTHING
PREDICTABLE IN CAMPAIGN, YOU'RE
A BETTER MAN THAN ME.
>> I'M GOING TO LIVE BY THOSE
WORDS. LARRY, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
GREAT TO SEE YOU.
>> THANK YOU. >> AND A GREAT TRANSITION.
COMING UP, NATE SILVER, THE
FOUNDER OF 538, HE SAID TRUMP
HAD ONLY A 5% CHANCE OF WINNING
THE GOP NOMINATION LAST FALL.
NOW HE'S GOING TO JOIN ME TO
DISCUSS WHAT HAPPENED THERE AND WHY HE GOT THAT WRONG AND
WHETHER WE SHOULD BELIEVE HIS
NEW PREDICTION ABOUT THIS FALL.
STAY TUNED. WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.
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>>> HOW IS THIS FOR MEDIA
ACCOUNTABILITY? HERE'S "WASHINGTON POST"
COLUMNIST DANA MILBANK LITERALLY
EATING HIS WORDS.
HE PREDICTED LAST OCTOBER DONALD
TRUMP WOULD NEVER BE THE GOP
NOMINEE. SO THIS IS WHAT HE GETS.
NOW, THAT IS ONE WAY TO
FOLLOW-UP ON A FAULTY ELECTION
FORECAST. HERE'S ANOTHER WAY. NATE SILVER MADE A NAME FOR
HIMSELF BY USING DATA TO
CORRECTLY PREDICT 49 OUT OF 50
STATES IN 2008'S GENERAL
ELECTION AND ALL 50 IN 2012.
HE AND 538 HAVE PREDICTED 52 OF
57 STATES AND VARIOUS
TERRITORIES IN THIS YEAR'S
PRIMARY CONTESTS CORRECTLY.
BUT MANY ARE SAYING HE AND HIS
COLLEAGUE THE DROPPED THE BALL
THIS YEAR.
THAT'S PARTLY BECAUSE OF THIS
PREDICTION THAT HE MADE RIGHT
HERE ON CNN WITH ANDERSON COOPER
LAST FALL.
>> DO YOU PUT THE CHANCE OF
DONALD TRUMP OR BEN CARSON
ACTUALLY GETTING THE GOP
NOMINATION AROUND 5%.
>> MAYBE ABOUT 5% EACH.
SOMEWHERE AROUND THERE.
>> 5%.
SO I SAT DOWN WITH NATE SILVER,
EDITOR AND CHIEF AT 538.COM, TO
ASK HIM WHAT HAPPENED.
>> WE WERE SKEPTICAL OF TRUMP'S
CHANCES EARLY ON BECAUSE HE WENT
AGAINST HISTORY.
YOU'D SEEN A LOT OF CANDIDATES,
NEWT GINGRICH, HERMANN CAIN,
GEORGE WALLACE WAY BACK IN THE
DAY, WHO HAD RIDDEN HIGH IN THE
POLLS AND FLAMED OUT BECAUSE
THEY LACKED BACKING FROM THEIR
PARTIES. I GUESS YOU CAN BLAME US FOR
STICKING TOO MUCH TO HISTORY,
BUT I THINK IT'S A BETTER EXCUSE
WHEN, NUMBER ONE, WE HAVE A GOOD
TRACK RECORD. IF ANY TIME YOU GET A PREDICTION
WRONG, WHEN YOU SAY SOMETIMES WE
LIVE IN AN UNCERTAIN WORLD, WE
DON'T KNOW. IF YOU'RE RIGHT 9% OF THE TIME,
YOU SHOULDN'T BE THROWN OFF THE
BOAT FOR THE OTHER TEN.
>> DO YOU FEEL LIKE PEOPLE ARE
TRYING TO THROW YOU OFF THE
BOAT? >> FOR SURE.
THERE ARE NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO EXPECTED TRUMP TO BE THE
REPUBLICAN NOMINEE. IF YOU GO BACK NOW, IT'S KIND OF
LIKE WOODSTOCK.
EVERYONE NOW CLAIMS TO HAVE ATTENDED WOODSTOCK AND WOULD
HAVE KNOWN BACK IN JUNE OR JULY
THAT HE'D BE THE NOMINEE.
THIS IS ONE OF THE CRAZIER
THINGS WE'VE SEEN IN AMERICAN
POLITICS FOR A LONG TIME.
I THINK IT WAS FAIR FOR US TO BE
SKEPTICAL EARLY ON ABOUT THE
ODDS THIS COULD OCCUR.
WHEN WE SAW POLLS IN IOWA AND
NEW HAMPSHIRE AND HOW MUCH
DISARRAY THE GOP WAS IN, WE
BECAME LESS SKEPTICAL.
YOU ADAPT WITH THE EVIDENCE.
>> HE WAS ALWAYS NUMBER ONE IN
THE POLLS.
PEOPLE LIKE YOU JUST DIDN'T
BELIEVE IT.
>> IT'S NOT A MATTER OF BELIEF.
IT'S A MATTER OF LOOKING AT
HISTORICAL EVIDENCE.
YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING IS OBVIOUS
IN RETROSPECT WHEN YOU KNOW HOW
SOMETHING TURNED OUT. WE HAVE A METHOD THAT BOTH THIS
YEAR AND HISTORICALLY IS RIGHT
WAY MORE OFTEN THAN IT'S WRONG.
I USED TO PLAY POKER.
IN POKER, YOU CAN PLAY A HAND
WELL AND LOSE, PLAY A HAND BADLY
AND WIN.
IT DOESN'T MEAN YOU SHOULDN'T
REFLECT. WE'VE SEEN SO MANY HONEST
SELF-REFLECTIONS FROM
EMPIRICALLY MINDED JOURNALISTS.
I THINK WE COULD HAVE A FEW MORE
ABOUT JOURNALISTS JUST AS
SKEPTICAL. >> SO YOU THINK IT'S GOOD YOU'RE
BEING HELD ACCOUNTABLE. >> IT'S GOOD WE HOLD OURSELVES
ACCOUNTABLE. IN MY OPINION, SOMEONE WHO IS A
DEMAGOGUE, WON A MAJOR PARTY
NOMINATION, WE SHOULD ALL BE
SAYING WHAT HAPPENED TO OUR
INSTITUTION?
SOMEONE WHO RAN ON A LOT OF
MISINFORMATION AND WE'RE THE
INFORMATION INDUSTRY AND BECAME THE NOMINEE OF A MAJOR PARTY,
THAT'S A BIG PROBLEM.
IF WE'RE A PART OF THAT PROBLEM,
I'M HAPPY TO BE AT THE TABLE
DISCUSSING WHAT HAPPENED AND
WHAT COMES NEXT.
>> BECAUSE YOU'RE SO CRITICAL OF
TRUMP, WERE YOU PREDICTING WHAT
YOU WANTED TO HAVE HAPPEN AS O
POSED TO WHAT WOULD HAPPEN?
>> ONE THING THAT'S IRONIC ABOUT
THE TRUMP PREDICTION IS WE
DIDN'T HAVE A MODEL.
THE MINUTE WE HAD A MODEL IN
IOWA AND NEW HAMPSHIRE, STATE BY STATE, THEY SHOWED TRUMP DOING
VERY WELL. IT'S A STRANGE CASE THAT, YOU
KNOW, THE POLLS WERE RIGHT AND
THEREFORE JOURNALISM WAS WRONG. THAT SEEMS LIKE A STRANGE CASE
TO MAKE.
>> SO YOU KNOW WHAT I HAVE TO
ASK YOU BEFORE WE GO.
AS WE LOOK TO THE FALL, WHAT ARE
TRUMP'S CHANCES?
>> SO WE ALWAYS MAKE THINGS
PROBABLISTICLY. IF YOU LOOK AT BETTING MARKETS,
THEY SAY TRUMP HAS A 25% CHANCE.
I THINK THAT'S SENSIBLE.
IF YOU HELD THE ELECTION TODAY, THERE'S ENOUGH POLLING TO KNOW
CLINTON WOULD PROBABLY WIN.
BUT YOU CAN HAVE RECESSIONS.
YOU CAN HAVE TERROR ATTACKS.
CLINTON IS NOT A VERY POPULAR
CANDIDATE HERSELF.
MAYBE TRUMP IS A BLACK SWAN.
I DON'T KNOW.
I PUT TRUMP'S CHANCES OF
BECOMING PRESIDENT AT 25%, MUCH
HIGHER TODAY THAN A YEAR AGO.
>> WHY SHOULD WE BELIEVE THE 25%
FIGURE, GIVEN THE ERRORS LAST
SUMMER, LAST FALL?
HOW DO WE REGAIN PEOPLE'S TRUST,
PERHAPS, IN WHAT YOU DO?
>> FIRST OF ALL, I THINK WE HAVE
LOTS OF READERS WHO DO TRUST US
AND FORECASTS ARE NOT THE ONLY THING WE DO.
BUT WE HAVE A TRACK RECORD THAT
GOES BACK YEARS AND ENCOMPASSES
HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF
PREDICTIONS, THOUSANDS IF YOU
COUNT SPORTS PREDICTIONS OUTSIDE
THE POLITICAL REALM.
WHEN WE SAY SOMETHING HAS A 75%
CHANCE OF HAPPENING, THAT MEANS
IT HAPPENS 75% OF THE TIME AND
DOESN'T HAPPEN 25%.
>> THAT'S WHAT MAKES THIS FUN.
SOMETIMES THE UNEXPECTED DOES
OCCUR. >> THIS ELECTION HAS BEEN THE
MOST AMAZING ELECTION THAT I'VE
EVER SEEN.
I THINK TRUMP'S RISE TO POWER IS
INHERENTLY KIND OF AMAZING AND
REMARKABLE. ALSO SCARY IN SOME OTHER
RESPECTS. I DON'T KNOW.
IN POLITICS, I THINK PEOPLE
THINK VERY DOGMATICALLY.
AS A RESULT, I THINK, YOU KNOW,
WE SHOULD HAVE KNOWN ALL ALONG
WHAT HAPPENS IS OBVIOUS FROM THE
START. I'VE DONE ENOUGH THINGS IN
SPORTS AND POKER AND COVERING
ENOUGH CAMPAIGNS NOW WHERE
THINGS SEEM MUCH MORE OBVIOUS IN
RETROSPECT THAN THEY DO AT THE
TIME. IF YOU HAVE A METHOD AND PROCESS
THAT FOCUSES ON DATA AND
EVIDENCE, THAT BEATS THE
ALTERNATIVES IN THE LONG RUN.
EVEN THIS YEAR IT HAS A GOOD
RECORD, APART FROM THE EARLY
PREDICTIONS. >> NATE, GREAT TO SEE YOU.
THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
I'LL HAVE MORE AT
CNNMONEY.COM/MEDIA FROM NATE LATER TODAY.
>>> UP NEXT, TRUMP ATTACKING
"THE NEW YORK TIMES" THIS
MORNING. OUR PANEL IS BACK WITH DETAILS.
PLUS, A HOLLYWOOD STORY ABOUT
POWER, ACCESS, AND RETALIATION.
WHAT RONAN FARROW IS SAYING
ABOUT HIS ESTRANGED FATHER WOODY
ALLEN. WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.
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>>> WELCOME BACK. A FAMED FILM DIRECTOR WOODY
ALLEN FINDS HIMSELF AT THE
CENTER OF A MEDIA STORM ONCE
AGAIN OVER ALLEGATIONS THAT HE
SEXUALLY ABUSED HIS DAUGHTER
DYLAN WHEN SHE WAS A CHILD.
ON WEDNESDAY MORNING, THE DAY OF
ALLEN'S FILM PREMIERE AT THE
CANNES FILM FESTIVAL, HIS ELSE
STRANGED SON RONAN FARROW
PUBLISHED A COLUMN. THIS ESSAY WAS IN RESPONSE TO
PREVIOUS COVERAGE.
HE REITERATES HIS SUPPORT FOR
HIS SISTER AND TAKES HIMSELF AND
THE MEDIA TO TASK FOR NOT ASKING
ALLEN ABOUT IT AGAIN AND AGAIN
IN INTERVIEWS.
HE DESCRIBED THIS KIND OF
SILENCE AND AS A RESULT OF
PUBLISHING THE ARTICLE, THE
HOLLYWOOD REPORTER WAS BARRED
LATER IN THE WEEK FROM A LUNCH
EVENT BY ALLEN'S PUBLICIST.
SHE SAID THIS TO THEM, ACCORDING
TO THE HOLLYWOOD REPORTER. IT'S ONLY NATURAL I WOULD SHOW
DISPLEASURE WHEN THE PRESS, IN
THIS CASE THE HOLLYWOOD
REPORTER, GOES OUT OF ITS WAY TO
BE HARMFUL TO MY CLIENT.
NOW, WOODY ALLEN'S FILMS CAN BE
COMPLEX, NUANCED, BUT IT SEEMS
HIS OWN STORY IS ONE OF ACCESS,
POWER, CELEBRITY.
WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THE
MANIPULATION HERE OF THE MEDIA.
JOINING ME NOW TO DISCUSS THIS
IS JANICE MIN, THE CHIEF
CREATIVE OFFICER OF THE
HOLLYWOOD REPORTER. NICE TO SEE YOU.
I THINK THIS IS A REALLY
REVEALING STORY ABOUT HOW THE
MEDIA WORKS OR DOESN'T WORK AND
WHAT RONAN FARROW THINKS ABOUT
THAT. YOU ALL PUBLISHED AWOODY ALLEN
FEATURE. HE AND OTHERS CRITICIZED
FOR THE SECOND YEAR IN A ROW HAD
THE OPENING NIGHT FILM AT
CANNES.
ON SO IT WAS A LOGICAL CHOICE
FOR THE COVER.
THE INTERVIEW MADE A LOT OF NEWS
FOR WHAT HE DID SAY, WHICH IS
PART OF WHAT SPARKED RONAN.
HE TALKED ABOUT SIUN YI, AND
TALKED ABOUT HIS
COMPARTMENTABILITY, WHAT HE
WASN'T DIRECTLY ASKED ABOUT WAS,
THOUGH THE SCANDAL QUESTION, HE
WAS NEVER DIRECTLY ASKED ABOUT
DILL TEND FARROW.
>> WAS THAT A SHORTCOMING.
>> THE WRITER, A WONDERFUL
REPORTER, HE WAS -- I HAVE I WAS
TALKING TO HIM YESTERDAY, AND HE
SAID THE FRANTIC NATURE, THE
PUBLICABIST IS POPPING IN, YOU
HAVE THREE MINUTES YES, HE WOULD
HAVE LIKED TO HAVE ASKED IT.
>> DID HE FEEL HE COULD HAVE
BECAUSE OF PUBLICIST?
>> NOT AT ALL.
>> YOU INVITE HIM TO TAKE AN
ESS
ESSAY. IT'S AN INCREDIBLE ESSAY ABOUT
HOW THE PRESS, BY BEING SILENT
ABOUT THINKS ALLEGATIONS REALLY
HURTS DYLAN FARROW AND POSSIBLE
VICTIMS OF SEX ABUSE.
DO YOU AGREE WITH HIS ASSESSMENT
THAT THE PRESSES SOMETIMES
COMPLICIT? >> I THINK THERE'S A PERCEPTION
BECAUSE WE HAD RONAN FARROW
WRITE THIS PIECE WE AGREE WITH
EVERY SINGLE THING HE IS.
WE ARE HAPPY TO BE THE
MESSENGER. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS
IMPORTANT WAS TO OWN THE
CONVERSATION SURROUNDING WOODY
ALLEN AND NOT LET OURSELVES BY A
BYSTANDING FOR SOMETHING WE
STARTED. >> DOES THIS MEAN HAVING YOUR
CAKE AND EAT IT, TOO?
>> NO, IT MEANS RECOGNIZING
COVERING WOOLY ALLEN PROBABLY
MEANS COVERING ALL SIDES OF THE
STORY.
I THOUGHT THE ESSAY WAS
MAGNIFICENT, AND WE DO AS
INSTITUTIONS, WE DO TEND TO
IGNORE THESE VOICES OF SEXUAL
ABUSE VICTIMS, WE TAKE THE WORDS
OF MORE POWERFUL MEN MORE
SERIOUSLY THAN THE PEOPLE WHO
ARE THEIR ACCUSERS, AND DYLAN
FARROW HAS MADE A COMPELLING
CASE THROUGH THE YEARS, THAT
WOODIE ALLEN DOESN'T HELP
HIMSELF THROUGH THE MOVIES WHERE
THERE ARE INAPPROPRIATE
RELATIONSHIPS WITH OLDER MEN AND
YOUNGER WOMEN.
HE HAS NOT HELPED HIMSELF.
HIS OWN COMMENTS ARE WEIRD AND
TROUBLING.
YOU WOULD HAVE THOSE IN
HOLLYWOOD WHO WOULD ARGUE THAT
LOTS OF PEOPLE SIGNED PETITIONS
FOR ROMAN POLANSKI, INCLUDING
WOODY ALLEN THAT SOMEHOW YOU CAN
SEPARATE THE ART FROM THE
PERSONAL BEHAVIOR OF THE PERSON
YOU'RE WRITING ABOUT.
I THINK IN THE POST-COSBY ERA,
THIS NEVER WOULD HAVE HAPPENED
HADN'T COSBY HAPPENED IN THE
LAST YEAR, WOODY HAD THE OPENING
MOVIE LAST YEAR, GIVING A
LIFETIME ACHIEVEMENT AWARTS AT
THE GOLDEN GLOBES AT NBC.
>> AND BY THE WAY A
CORRESPONDENT WILL BE COVERING
THERE MORE. >>> WHAT HAPPENS WHEN A
PUBLICIST BANS YOU.
>> NOTHING.
IT DOESN'T MATTER.
THE FACT THAT HOYER FILM EDITOR
DIDN'T SIT NEXT TO WOODIE AL
LISTEN MAKES NO DIFFERENCE HOW
WE COVER ANY OF HER CLIENTS
GOING FORWARD.
ON. >> IT DOES TELL US A BIT HOW
HOLLYWOOD WORKS, RIGHT?
>> YES. SHE HAD TO MAKE A PUBLIC STANCE.
THAT'S WHAT PUBLICISTS DO.
THEY ARE OUT THERE TO CREATE A
NARRATIVE AROUND THEIR INFLUENCE
AROUND THEIR CLIENTS, AND LESLIE
DART IS VERY INFLUENCE WALL, BUT
I THINK IT'S -- I CAN'T BELIEVE
SHE WOULD KEEP HIM AS A CLIENT
IF SHE TRULY BELIEVED HE WAS A
PEDOPHILE. >> JANIS, GREAT TO SEE YOU.
THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
>>> UP NEXT, "THE WASHINGTON
POST," "NEW YORK TIMES"
PUBLISHING TOUGH INVESTIGATIONS
DIGGING DEEP TO DONALD TRUMP'S
LIFE. SOME CRITICS ARE CALLING FOUL.
STJ A CASE OF LIBERAL BIAS OR
THE PRESS DOING ITS JOB?
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Her long day as a hair stylist starts
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>>> WOG WOG HAS 20 REPORTERS
INVESTIGATELING TRUMP'S PAST FOR
A BOOK, AND "NEW YORK TIMES" OUT
WITH A STORY CROSSING THE LINE,
HOW DONALD TRUMP BEHAVED WITH
WOMEN IN PRIVATE.
HE'S LASHING OUT AT THE TIMES
THIS MORNING TWEETING THAT THE
PAPER IS A FAILURE, AND SAYING
THAT EVERYONE IS LAUGHINGTY HIT
PIECE.
YOU SEE HIM SAYING THIS KIND OF
THING. THIS IS TYPICAL CRITICISM FROM
HIM, BUT ARE WE SEES THE PRESS
DOING WHAT PEOPLE WANTED THEM TO
DO FOR NINE MONTHS.
IF YOU'RE SOMEONE LIKE "NEW YORK
TIMES" OR "THE WASHINGTON POST,"
YOU SEE TRUMP RISING, BUT YOU'RE
PREPARED FOR THE FACT IF HE'S
THE NOMINEE, YOU'VE GOT SIX MORE
MONTHS YOU HAVE TO COVER HIM.
NOW IS THE TIME -- YOU'RE
DEDICATING ALL YOUR RESOURCES TO
HILLARY CLINTON AND DONALD TR P
DONALD TRUMP. >> THIS IS WHAT WE SHOULD BE
SEEING? >> I DO.
I THINK SOME OF THE HISTORICAL
STUFF WILL PROBABLY NOT STICK
VERY HARD.
IT'S PRETTY CLEAR HE WAS NOT
LIVING HIS LIFE LIKE HE WAS
RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT 25 YEARS
AGO. >>> WE'RE OUT OF TIME,
UNFORTUNATELY, BUT IT'S A GOOD
REMINDER WE'RE STARTING TO SEE
SIX MORE TONS.
"STUST UNION" STARTS RIGHT NOW.
>>> TRUMP 2.0?
THE OUTSIDER CANDIDATE MAKES
NICE WITH THE ESTABLISHMENT ON
CAPITOL HILL.
>> I WAS VERY ENCOURAGED WITH
WHAT I HEARD FROM DONALD TRUMP.
>> AND SEEMS TO BACK OFF HIS CONTROVERSIAL MUSLIM BAN.
>> I'M ALWAYS FLEXIBLE ON
ISSUES.
>> IS THE TRUMP STRATEGY
SHIFTING?
WE'LL ASK HIS TOP AIDE IN
MINUTES. >>> PLUS GHOSTS OF TRUMP PAST.
>> HE'S A GOOD GUY AND NOT GOING
TO HURT ANYBODY. >> Reporter: DID THE PRESUMPTIVE
REPUBLICAN NOMINEE REALLY POSE
AS HIS OWN PR AGENT? >> DOESN'T SOUND LIKE ME.
>> Reporter: WILL THE TABLOID
KING'S OLD ANTICS COME BACK TO
HAUNT HIM?