1 00:00:00,0 --> 00:00:08,173 WE HAVE A GREAT PHOTOGRAPHER, AND IF YOU WANT TO TAKE SOME OF 2 00:00:08,175 --> 00:00:05,765 YOUR OWN WITH YOUR OWN CAMERA, THAT'S PERFECTLY ALL RIGHT, 3 00:00:05,767 --> 00:00:08,98 OKAY? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 4 00:00:08,100 --> 00:00:21,116 [APPLAUSE] WE CONTINUE OUR PROGRAMS ON 5 00:00:21,118 --> 00:00:24,481 THE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES WITH A ROUND TABLE DISCUSSION 6 00:00:24,483 --> 00:00:29,697 FEATURING MARC FISHER AND MICHAEL KRANISH ON THEIR BOOK, 7 00:00:29,699 --> 00:00:55,333 "TRUMP REVEALED." [INAUDIBLE CONVERSATIONS] 8 00:00:55,335 --> 00:00:53,211 WHY DON'T WE GET STARTED. MY NAME IS MARTY PAIR ON, I'M 9 00:00:53,213 --> 00:00:55,435 THE -- BARON, I'M THE EXECUTIVE EDITOR OF "THE WASHINGTON POST", 10 00:00:55,437 --> 00:00:59,19 AND WE'RE REALLY DELIGHTED ALL OF YOU CAME OUT THIS EVENING TO 11 00:00:59,21 --> 00:01:05,671 THE POST. WE'RE HAPPY TO WELCOME YOU HERE. 12 00:01:05,673 --> 00:01:09,264 TONIGHT YOU'RE GOING TO GET THE CHANCE TO MEET SOME OF THE 13 00:01:09,266 --> 00:01:13,8 JOURNALISTS AND THE EDITORS BEHIND THE POST'S BOOK "TRUMP 14 00:01:13,10 --> 00:01:16,485 REVEALED." AS YOU KNOW. 15 00:01:16,487 --> 00:01:19,636 THIS WAS AN EXHAUSTIVELY RESEARCHED BOOK ABOUT THE LIFE 16 00:01:19,638 --> 00:01:24,136 AND THE CAREER OF DONALD TRUMP. YOU KNOW, THE POST HAS A LONG 17 00:01:24,138 --> 00:01:26,855 TRADITION OF DELVING DEEPLY INTO THE PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEES OF 18 00:01:26,857 --> 00:01:32,130 EACH MAJOR PARTY. AND THIS YEAR GIVEN DONALD 19 00:01:32,132 --> 00:01:35,383 TRUMP'S, SHALL WE SAY, NOVEL AND OVERSIZED PRESENCE IN THE 20 00:01:35,385 --> 00:01:39,17 POLITICAL ARENA, THERE WAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO A BOOK. 21 00:01:39,19 --> 00:01:41,887 AND WE WERE HAPPY TO SEIZE THAT OPPORTUNITY. 22 00:01:41,889 --> 00:01:45,537 AND WE'RE ESPECIALLY GRATEFUL TO SCRIVENER, SO WE'RE HERE, ALL 23 00:01:45,539 --> 00:01:48,686 THESE FOLKS WHO JUST CAME IN JUST ON TIME FOR MAKING THAT 24 00:01:48,688 --> 00:01:51,544 POSSIBLE. I'M NOT GOING TO MENTION ALL OF 25 00:01:51,546 --> 00:01:57,362 THEM, BUT I DO WANT TO MENTION THAT WE HAVE PUBLISHER NAN 26 00:01:57,364 --> 00:01:57,858 GRAHAM. RAISE YOUR HAND, NAN. 27 00:01:57,860 --> 00:01:59,528 THERE WE GO. [APPLAUSE] 28 00:01:59,530 --> 00:01:59,714 AND WE HAVE EDITOR-IN-CHIEF COLIN HARRISON HERE. 29 00:01:59,716 --> 00:01:59,332 THANK YOU FOR -- [APPLAUSE] 30 00:01:59,334 --> 00:02:05,272 ALL YOU DID. THEY WORKED INCRED WRITE FAST 31 00:02:05,274 --> 00:02:08,274 AND INCREDIBLY HARD AND WITH IMPRESSIVE SKILL THROUGHOUT, AND 32 00:02:08,276 --> 00:02:12,578 WE'RE VERY GRATEFUL. FROM THE POST THERE WERE TWO 33 00:02:12,580 --> 00:02:15,516 DOZEN JOURNALISTS WHO WORKED ON THIS BOOK. 34 00:02:15,518 --> 00:02:19,520 THEY NEEDED TO BOTH WORK QUICKLY AND TO GO VERY, VERY DEEP. 35 00:02:19,522 --> 00:02:22,955 AND THAT'S WHY WE DEPLOYED SUCH A LARGE TEAM. 36 00:02:22,957 --> 00:02:25,895 SCOTT WILSON, OUR NATIONAL EDITOR WHO, UNFORTUNATELY, COULD 37 00:02:25,897 --> 00:02:31,546 NOT BE HERE THIS EVENING, ASSEMBLED THAT TEAM DRAWING FROM 38 00:02:31,548 --> 00:02:32,699 THROUGHOUT OUR NEWSROOM, FROM EVERY DEPARTMENT IN OUR 39 00:02:32,701 --> 00:02:35,134 NEWSROOM. AND ALL THIS CAME TOGETHER IN A 40 00:02:35,136 --> 00:02:39,973 MATTER OF MONTHS. THIS EVENING YOU'LL THAT HEAR 41 00:02:39,975 --> 00:02:52,155 FROM FIVE OF PEOPLE WHO WORKED ON THIS BOOK, AND, YOU KNOW, 42 00:02:52,157 --> 00:02:54,359 WITH THE CO-AUTHORS WERE MICHAEL KRANISH WHO IS HERE AND MARC 43 00:02:54,361 --> 00:02:56,714 FISHER RIGHT BEHIND ME, AND I'LL TRY TO STEP AWAY, THEY WERE THE 44 00:02:56,716 --> 00:02:58,293 PRIMARY AUTHORS OF "TRUMP REVEALED," BUT EVERYONE, THIS 45 00:02:58,295 --> 00:03:00,131 ENTIRE TEAM, CONTRIBUTED TO IT. AND THIS REPRESENTS A 46 00:03:00,133 --> 00:03:02,996 COMPREHENSIVE EXAMINATION OF DONALD TRUMP'S LIFE, HIS 47 00:03:02,998 --> 00:03:11,465 PERSONAL I, HIS BUSINESS DEALINGS AND HIS LONG-RUNNING 48 00:03:11,467 --> 00:03:12,278 ENCOUNTERS WITH POLITICIANS AND POLITICS. 49 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:15,112 WE BELIEVE THIS IS THE KIND OF IN-DEPTH REPORTING THAT READERS 50 00:03:15,114 --> 00:03:19,513 EXPECT FROM THE POST. AND WITH THAT, IT'S A SPECIAL 51 00:03:19,515 --> 00:03:23,671 PLEASURE FOR ME TO INTRODUCE TONIGHT'S MODERATOR AND ONE OF 52 00:03:23,673 --> 00:03:28,347 THE CO-AUTHORS OF THE BOOK, "TRUMP REVEALED," SENIOR EDITOR 53 00:03:28,349 --> 00:03:29,862 MARC FISHER. [APPLAUSE] 54 00:03:29,864 --> 00:03:33,913 THANK YOU, MARTY, AND AND THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING OUT. 55 00:03:33,915 --> 00:03:35,803 IT'S GREAT TO SEE SUCH A BIG CROWD. 56 00:03:35,805 --> 00:03:37,876 I THINK I UNDERSTAND WHY SO MANY OF YOU ARE HERE. 57 00:03:37,878 --> 00:03:41,835 THERE'S ONE THING THAT AMERICANS CAN'T JUST SEEM TO FIND ENOUGH 58 00:03:41,837 --> 00:03:43,302 OF THESE DAYS, IT'S INFORMATION ABOUT DONALD TRUMP. 59 00:03:43,304 --> 00:03:46,39 [LAUGHTER] BUT ACTUALLY, THAT'S KIND OF 60 00:03:46,41 --> 00:03:49,776 TRUE BECAUSE HE IS THE FIRST MAJOR PARTY CANDIDATE IN 60 61 00:03:49,777 --> 00:03:55,14 YEARS, SINCE DWIGHT EISENHOWER, WHO HAS NOT PREVIOUSLY HELD 62 00:03:55,16 --> 00:03:58,518 ELECTIVE OFFICE, AND THAT MEANS HE HAS NOT BEEN VETTED IN THE 63 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:00,621 WAY MOST POLITICIANS ARE AS A MATTER OF COURSE AS THEY RUN FOR 64 00:04:00,623 --> 00:04:03,790 VARIOUS OFFICES. SO, OBVIOUSLY, HE'S HAD 65 00:04:03,792 --> 00:04:07,593 CELEBRITY FOR DECADES, AND CELEBRITY IS ACTUALLY A VERY 66 00:04:07,595 --> 00:04:12,391 DIFFERENT KIND OF ATTENTION FROM HAVING YOUR LIFE AND CAREER AND 67 00:04:12,393 --> 00:04:15,434 BACKGROUND RIGOROUSLY EXAMINED IN THE WAY THAT WOULD HELP 68 00:04:15,436 --> 00:04:19,72 VOTERS UNDERSTAND HOW YOU THINK, HOW YOU MAKE DECISIONS AND WHAT 69 00:04:19,74 --> 00:04:22,408 YOU REALLY BELIEVE IN. AS MICHAEL AND I HAVE BEEN 70 00:04:22,411 --> 00:04:29,350 MAKING THE ROUNDS ON TV AND RADIO APPEARANCES IN PROMOTION 71 00:04:29,352 --> 00:04:32,52 OF THIS BOOK, WE'VE FOUND THAT THE SINGLE MOST EFFECTIVE WAY TO 72 00:04:32,54 --> 00:04:40,192 SELL THIS BOOK WAS ONE SINGLE TWEET FROM A GUY NAMED DONALD J. 73 00:04:40,195 --> 00:04:41,861 TRUMP OF JAMAICA ESTATES, NEW YORK. 74 00:04:41,864 --> 00:04:44,430 THE NIGHT BEFORE THE BOOK WAS ACTUALLY RELEASED -- SO HE 75 00:04:44,433 --> 00:04:50,136 COULDN'T HAVE POSSIBLY SEEN IT -- HE PUT OUT A TWEET SAYING, 76 00:04:50,139 --> 00:04:52,539 CALLING THE BOOK A HIT JOB AND SAYING THAT IT WAS BORING AND 77 00:04:52,541 --> 00:04:56,575 SHOULDN'T BUY IT. [LAUGHTER] 78 00:04:56,578 --> 00:04:58,845 AND, OF COURSE, OUR NUMBERS WENT SOARING AFTER THAT. 79 00:04:58,847 --> 00:05:00,579 SO WE'RE TREMENDOUSLY GRATEFUL TO HIM -- 80 00:05:00,582 --> 00:05:04,917 [LAUGHTER] SINCE HE INCOMED 11 MILLION -- 81 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:07,920 INFORMED 11 MILLION OF HIS CLOSEST FRIENDS ABOUT THE BOOK. 82 00:05:07,923 --> 00:05:10,523 BUT WHAT WAS FASCINATING ABOUT THAT WAS THAT HE, OBVIOUSLY, 83 00:05:10,526 --> 00:05:13,660 COULDN'T HELP HIMSELF. ANY RATIONAL CAMPAIGN ADVISER 84 00:05:13,662 --> 00:05:15,861 WOULD HAVE TOLD HIM, JUST IGNORE THE THING. 85 00:05:15,864 --> 00:05:19,199 BUT HE COULDN'T HELP HIMSELF, AND SO HE DID THIS. 86 00:05:19,201 --> 00:05:22,368 AND IT WAS ALSO -- SO THIS WAS CONFIRMATION OF A MAJOR THEME IN 87 00:05:22,371 --> 00:05:25,772 THE BOOK WHICH IS THAT THIS IS A MAN WHO DEEPLY BELIEVES THAT THE 88 00:05:25,774 --> 00:05:30,378 PROPER RESPONSE, THE ONLY PROPER RESPONSE TO ANYTHING THAT COULD 89 00:05:30,381 --> 00:05:34,454 BE AT ALL CRITICAL IS TO ATTACK AND TO ATTACK HARD. 90 00:05:34,457 --> 00:05:38,614 AND WE TRACE IN THE BOOK THE DERIVATION OF THAT 91 00:05:38,616 --> 00:05:41,520 CHARACTERISTIC OF DONALD TRUMP WHICH TRACES NOT ONLY TO HIS 92 00:05:41,523 --> 00:05:45,459 CHILDHOOD AND HAVING A FATHER WHO TAUGHT HIM TO BE A KILLER 93 00:05:45,461 --> 00:05:50,196 AND WARNED HIM AGAINST BEING A NOTHING, BUT ALSO TO HIS 94 00:05:50,199 --> 00:05:54,834 RELATIONSHIP WITH ROY COHN, THE INFAMOUS NEW YORK ATTORNEY WHO 95 00:05:54,837 --> 00:05:58,437 WAS KIND OF HIS MENTOR IN HIS 20S WHEN HE WAS JUST STARTING 96 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:01,640 OUT ON HIS OWN IN BUSINESS. MARTY MENTIONED THE ORIGINS OF 97 00:06:01,643 --> 00:06:05,278 THIS BOOK, BUT I WANT TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE MORE ON THAT BEFORE 98 00:06:05,280 --> 00:06:08,881 WE GET GOING WITH THE DISCUSSION. 99 00:06:08,884 --> 00:06:12,419 THIS BOOK CAME TOGETHER IN LATE MARCH, SO IF YOU RECALL BACK TO 100 00:06:12,421 --> 00:06:15,221 THE PRIMARY SEASON, IT WAS REALLY ONLY AROUND THAT TIME 101 00:06:15,223 --> 00:06:18,791 THAT IT BECAME VERY CLEAR THAT DONALD TRUMP WAS THE LIKELY 102 00:06:18,794 --> 00:06:23,62 NOMINEE. AND SO AT THAT POINT, THIS TEAM 103 00:06:23,65 --> 00:06:26,600 OF MORE THAN 20 REPORTERS WAS PUT TOGETHER. 104 00:06:26,602 --> 00:06:31,505 AND THE DEAL THAT WE STRUCK WITH SCRIBNER, I THINK, CAME TO -- 105 00:06:31,507 --> 00:06:33,606 WAS FINALLY SIGNED ON A THURSDAY. 106 00:06:33,609 --> 00:06:36,358 AND THE PLAN WAS TO ANNOUNCE THIS TO THE PUBLIC THE FOLLOWING 107 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:40,480 MONDAY. SO THE NEXT DAY, FRIDAY, I 108 00:06:40,482 --> 00:06:44,555 CALLED HOPE HICKS WHO WAS DONALD TRUMP'S PRESS SECRETARY AS A 109 00:06:44,557 --> 00:06:47,220 COURT I TO LET HER -- COURTESY TO LET HER KNOW THAT THIS WOULD 110 00:06:47,222 --> 00:06:50,841 BE ANNOUNCED ON THE FOLLOWING MONDAY AND ALSO TO ASK HER, WE 111 00:06:50,843 --> 00:06:53,126 WANTED TO HAVE A SERIES OF INTERVIEWS WITH DONALD TRUMP. 112 00:06:53,128 --> 00:06:56,263 WE WANTED TO GET AS MUCH OF HIS TIME AS WE COULD BECAUSE 113 00:06:56,265 --> 00:06:59,566 ALTHOUGH WE HAD THIS LARGE TEAM OF REPORTERS WHO WOULD BE 114 00:06:59,568 --> 00:07:03,2 DIGGING INTO EVERY ASPECT OF TRUMP'S LIFE, LOOKING AT 115 00:07:03,5 --> 00:07:06,807 RECORDS, DOCUMENTS, TALKING TO EVERYONE FROM HIS FRIENDS AND 116 00:07:06,809 --> 00:07:10,743 CLASSMATES AND NEIGHBORS AS HE GREW UP ALL THE WAY THROUGH HIS 117 00:07:10,746 --> 00:07:15,868 BUSINESS ASSOCIATES, PARTNERS, COMPETITORS, VENDORS, 118 00:07:15,871 --> 00:07:19,705 CONTRACTORS AND SO ON. AND WE WANTED AS MUCH TIME AS WE 119 00:07:19,707 --> 00:07:25,916 COULD GET WITH HIM. SO I EXPLAINED THE DEAL THAT 120 00:07:25,918 --> 00:07:35,409 WE'D MADE AND BOOK THAT WE'D BE DOING AND HOW A LOT OF REPORTERS 121 00:07:35,411 --> 00:07:39,576 WOULD BE CALLING THEM, AND BEFORE I COULD GET THE FULL 122 00:07:39,578 --> 00:07:41,99 EXPLANATION OUT HOPE HICKS SAID YOU ARE PROFITEERING OFF 123 00:07:41,101 --> 00:07:40,574 MR. TRUMP -- [LAUGHTER] 124 00:07:40,576 --> 00:07:43,983 WHICH WAS KIND OF CURIOUS GIVEN THAT HE SPENDS A GOOD CHUNK OF 125 00:07:43,985 --> 00:07:48,207 HIS DAY TALKING TO REPORTERS, NEARLY ALL OF THEM FROM 126 00:07:48,209 --> 00:07:48,536 PROFIT-MAKING INSTITUTIONS, OR IDEALLY PROFIT-MAKING 127 00:07:48,538 --> 00:07:48,453 INSTITUTIONS. [LAUGHTER] 128 00:07:48,455 --> 00:07:50,382 AND SHE WAS NOT OPEN TO THAT LINE OF REASONING, AND SHE CUT 129 00:07:50,384 --> 00:07:54,954 OFF THE CONVERSATION AND SAID WE WILL NOT BE COOPERATING WITH 130 00:07:54,956 --> 00:07:58,867 THIS BOOK. YOU'RE ON YOUR OWN. 131 00:07:58,869 --> 00:08:01,929 AND SO WE HAD THOUGHT, WELL, THAT WAS A FAIRLY LIKELY OUTCOME 132 00:08:01,931 --> 00:08:03,622 ANYWAY. THAT DIDN'T REALLY AFFECT OUR 133 00:08:03,624 --> 00:08:03,669 PLAN FOR HOW TO REPORT OUT THIS BOOK. 134 00:08:03,671 --> 00:08:06,541 BUT THEN, LO AND BEHOLD, THE FOLLOWING MONDAY SHE CALLED BACK 135 00:08:06,544 --> 00:08:10,163 AND SAID THAT SHE HAD HAD A CHANCE TO, AS SHE PUT IT, TELL 136 00:08:10,165 --> 00:08:16,515 MR. TRUMP ABOUT YOUR FABULOUS IDEA. 137 00:08:16,517 --> 00:08:23,684 [LAUGHTER] AND SHE SAID THAT HE ACTUALLY 138 00:08:23,686 --> 00:08:23,700 LIKED THE IDEA AND THAT HE WANTED US TO COME UP TO TRUMP 139 00:08:23,703 --> 00:08:26,959 TOWER AS OFTEN AS WE LIKED FOR AS LONG AS WE LIKED BECAUSE HE 140 00:08:26,961 --> 00:08:30,147 WANTED THIS BOOK TO BE FAIR AND ACCURATE, AND HE WANTED TO GET 141 00:08:30,149 --> 00:08:33,68 THE REAL STORY OUT ABOUT HIS LIFE. 142 00:08:33,70 --> 00:08:37,234 SO ONE INTERESTING CURIOSITY THERE WAS THAT HIS OWN PRESS 143 00:08:37,236 --> 00:08:40,656 SECRETARY WHO'D WORKED WITH HIM FOR A NUMBER OF MONTHS DIDN'T 144 00:08:40,658 --> 00:08:41,675 REALIZE THAT HE WOULD VERY MUCH LIKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK 145 00:08:41,677 --> 00:08:45,36 ABOUT HIS FAVORITE SUBJECT, HIMSELF. 146 00:08:45,38 --> 00:08:48,677 [LAUGHTER] BUT, INDEED, AS WE TALKED TO 147 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:51,710 TRUMP IN THE WEEKS THAT FOLLOWED, HE REGULARLY EXTENDED 148 00:08:51,713 --> 00:08:54,414 OUR INTERVIEW TIME, DOUBLED AND TRIPLED THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT 149 00:08:54,416 --> 00:08:58,51 HE PENT WITH US. HE -- HE SPENT WITH US. 150 00:08:58,53 --> 00:09:02,556 HE TOOK ALL QUESTIONS. SOME OF THEM HE ANSWERED IN MORE 151 00:09:02,558 --> 00:09:04,658 DETAIL THAN OTHERS BUT HE, INDEED, HAD US BACK TIME AND 152 00:09:04,660 --> 00:09:07,494 AGAIN. HE SPOKE WITH A NUMBER OF THE 153 00:09:07,496 --> 00:09:10,630 REPORTERS IN THE FRONT ROW HERE TONIGHT ON PHONE AND IN PERSON 154 00:09:10,632 --> 00:09:18,637 AS THEY WENT INTO GREATER DEPTH ON TOPICS THEY WERE DIGGING 155 00:09:18,639 --> 00:09:24,379 INTO. WE HAD PEOPLE WORKING ON THIS 156 00:09:24,381 --> 00:09:28,463 BOOK WHO WERE EXPERTS IN REPORTING ON ATLANTIC CITY, ON 157 00:09:28,465 --> 00:09:29,333 FINANCES, ON CASINO GAMING, ON ORGANIZED CRIME CONNECTIONS. 158 00:09:29,335 --> 00:09:31,918 WE HAD PEOPLE WHO LOOKED INTO HIS BRIEF EXPERIENCE AS A SPORTS 159 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:34,653 FRANCHISE OWNER IN THE U.S. FOOTBALL LEAGUE. 160 00:09:34,656 --> 00:09:38,591 AND SO ON ALL THROUGH EVERY CHAPTER OF HIS LIFE. 161 00:09:38,593 --> 00:09:43,830 AND ONE OF OUR GOALS HERE, THEREFORE, WAS THAT KIND OF 162 00:09:43,832 --> 00:09:46,533 COMPLETENESS AND ANOTHER WAS TRANSPARENCY. 163 00:09:46,535 --> 00:09:51,838 WE KNOW AND WE DOCUMENT IN THE BOOK THAT DONALD TRUMP IS A 164 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:55,375 HIGHLY LITIGIOUS PERP. IN FACT, HE -- PERSON. 165 00:09:55,377 --> 00:09:58,711 IN FACT, HE HAS SUED THE AUTHOR OF A PREVIOUS BIOGRAPHY FOR $5 166 00:09:58,713 --> 00:10:01,181 BILLION -- [LAUGHTER] 167 00:10:01,183 --> 00:10:05,121 AND WE ASKED HIM, MICHAEL AND I HAD A CERTAIN CURIOSITY ABOUT 168 00:10:05,123 --> 00:10:08,438 THAT WHEN WE WERE TALKING WITH TRUMP, SO WE ASKED HIM ABOUT 169 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:10,156 THAT CASE, AND HE SAID THAT HE'D ACTUALLY NEVER READ THE BOOK. 170 00:10:10,158 --> 00:10:15,4 [LAUGHTER] SO I WAS KIND OF PUZZLED BY 171 00:10:15,6 --> 00:10:17,374 THAT. I SAID, WELL, HOW DO YOU GO 172 00:10:17,376 --> 00:10:19,98 ABOUT SUING SOMEBODY FOR $5 BILLION WHEN YOU'VE ACTUALLY 173 00:10:19,101 --> 00:10:22,835 NEVER READ THE BOOK, AND HE SAID, WELL, YOU COULD PROBABLY 174 00:10:22,838 --> 00:10:24,971 SAY THIS ALONG WITH ME, PEOPLE TOLD ME IT WAS A BAD BOOK. 175 00:10:24,973 --> 00:10:30,976 [LAUGHTER] THE CLASSIC TRUMPISM. 176 00:10:30,979 --> 00:10:36,497 AND HE DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING UNTOWARD ABOUT THAT. 177 00:10:36,499 --> 00:10:41,38 HE WAS VERY GRACIOUS WITH HIS TIME, VERY OPEN TO ANSWERING 178 00:10:41,40 --> 00:10:47,949 QUESTIONS, AND YET EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE HE WOULD SLIP P IN A 179 00:10:47,951 --> 00:10:51,238 THREAT ABOUT HOW IF IT WAS A BAD BOOK, AS HE PUT IT, HE WOULD 180 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:54,469 COME AFTER US, AND HE WOULD COME AFTER THE POST. 181 00:10:54,471 --> 00:10:56,377 SO THERE WAS THIS KIND OF ALTERNATING GRACIOUS BENESS AND 182 00:10:56,379 --> 00:10:55,732 TENSION -- GRACIOUSNESS AND TENSION THROUGH THE WHOLE 183 00:10:55,734 --> 00:10:58,3 RELATIONSHIP THAT WE HAD WITH HIM. 184 00:10:58,5 --> 00:11:01,541 AND KIND OF BINARY APPROACH WHERE IT'S EITHER A GOOD BOOK OR 185 00:11:01,543 --> 00:11:04,643 A BAD BOOK, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S ALSO SHOT THROUGH THE 186 00:11:04,645 --> 00:11:07,880 BOOK, SHOT THROUGH HIS LIFE. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MAKES HIM 187 00:11:07,882 --> 00:11:12,184 DECIDE WHETHER A BOOK OR AN ARTICLE IS GOOD OR BAD IS 188 00:11:12,187 --> 00:11:16,822 WHETHER IT QUESTIONS THE EXTENT OF HIS WEALTH. 189 00:11:16,825 --> 00:11:19,526 AND THIS IS -- [LAUGHTER] 190 00:11:19,528 --> 00:11:22,562 THIS IS, WE HAVE SEVERAL ANECDOTES IN THE BOOK ABOUT HIS 191 00:11:22,564 --> 00:11:26,666 SENSITIVITY TO THAT QUESTION. WHEN HE SUED THE TIMOTHY 192 00:11:26,668 --> 00:11:31,203 O'BRIEN, THE AUTHOR OF THE OTHER BIOGRAPHY, TRUMP LOST TWICE MANY 193 00:11:31,205 --> 00:11:34,573 THAT LAWSUIT -- IN THAT LAWSUIT, AND WHAT TRIGGERED THE LAWSUIT 194 00:11:34,575 --> 00:11:38,645 WAS, INDEED, A CHAPTER QUESTIONING WHETHER DONALD TRUMP 195 00:11:38,647 --> 00:11:41,648 IS AS WEALTHY AS HE CLAIMS TO BE. 196 00:11:41,650 --> 00:11:44,651 AND IF YOU'D BEEN WATCHING THE CAMPAIGN CLOSELY, YOU'D KNOW 197 00:11:44,653 --> 00:11:50,223 THAT THE NUMBER HE GIVES FOR HIS WEALTH VARIES A LOT. 198 00:11:50,225 --> 00:11:52,958 HE SOMETIMES SAYS 9 BILLION, 10 BILLION, $12 BILLION. 199 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:56,129 AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY WAY OF GIVING YOU A DEFINITIVE NUMBER 200 00:11:56,131 --> 00:11:58,565 OF WHAT HE'S REALLY WORTH BECAUSE HE HASN'T RELEASED HIS 201 00:11:58,567 --> 00:12:01,968 TAX RETURNS. BUT WE DO HAVE WAYS OF COMING TO 202 00:12:01,970 --> 00:12:05,304 THE CONCLUSION THAT HE'S PROBABLY NOT WORTH NEARLY AS 203 00:12:05,307 --> 00:12:10,865 MUCH AS HE SAYS HE IS. IN FACT, A JUDGE IN THAT LIBEL 204 00:12:10,867 --> 00:12:18,86 CASE CAME TO EXACTLY THAT CONCLUSION IN ALMOST THOSE EXACT 205 00:12:18,88 --> 00:12:23,684 WORDS. AND, IN FACT, IN A DEPOSITION IN 206 00:12:23,686 --> 00:12:23,993 THAT CASE WHICH WE HAVE AS PART OF THE ARCHIVE THAT BACKS UP 207 00:12:23,995 --> 00:12:26,492 THIS BOOK, TRUMP WAS ASKED DIRECTLY HOW DO YOU COME UP WITH 208 00:12:26,494 --> 00:12:30,533 THIS NUMBER THAT YOU BANDY ABOUT ABOUT HOW MUCH YOU'RE WORTH. 209 00:12:30,535 --> 00:12:34,320 AND HE SAID, QUOTE: IT DEPENDS ON HOW I FEEL ON A GIVEN DAY. 210 00:12:34,322 --> 00:12:41,994 [LAUGHTER] NOW, THERE'S ACTUALLY SOMETHING 211 00:12:41,996 --> 00:12:44,109 LEGITIMATE ABOUT THAT BECAUSE HIS BRAND IS HIS NAME, AND HIS 212 00:12:44,111 --> 00:13:00,224 NAME IS WHAT GIVES VALUE TO MANY OF HIS PROPERTIES AND OTHER 213 00:13:00,226 --> 00:13:04,530 BUSINESSES, AND SO PEOPLE DECIDE TO STAY AT A TRUMP HOTEL OR GO 214 00:13:04,532 --> 00:13:08,7 TO A TRUMP GOLF COURSE IN PART BECAUSE OF THAT NAME. 215 00:13:08,9 --> 00:13:12,452 SO THERE'S A CLEAR VALUE TO IT. AND PUTTING A NUMBER TO THAT 216 00:13:12,454 --> 00:13:16,585 VALUE IS MORE AN ART THAN A SCIENCE. 217 00:13:16,587 --> 00:13:21,99 BUT HOW HE ASSESSES HIMSELF IS HE TAKES THE ACTUAL ASSESSED 218 00:13:21,101 --> 00:13:24,234 VALUE OF PROPERTIES THAT ANYONE CAN LOOK UP ON THE TAX ROLLS, 219 00:13:24,236 --> 00:13:26,871 AND HE ADDS THE VALUE THAT HE CONNECTS FROM HIS NAME, HIS 220 00:13:26,873 --> 00:13:30,925 REPUTATION AND HIS BRAND. SO HE IS A TRICKY FIGURE TO 221 00:13:30,927 --> 00:13:31,977 WRITE ABOUT IN THAT SENSE. IN FACT, WHEN HE WAS -- COMEDY 222 00:13:31,979 --> 00:13:32,850 CENTRAL, THE CABLE CHANNEL, WAS GOING TO DO A ROAST OF DONALD 223 00:13:32,852 --> 00:13:34,875 TRUMP SOME YEARS BACK, AND THE DIRECTIONS WENT OUT TO THE 224 00:13:34,877 --> 00:13:45,383 COMEDIANS WHO WERE GOING TO BE ROASTING HIM THAT, UNLIKE MOST 225 00:13:45,385 --> 00:13:47,833 OF THESE ROASTS, HIS FAMILY IS FAIR GAME. 226 00:13:47,835 --> 00:13:51,265 YOU CAN JOKE ABOUT HIS KIDS, YOU CAN JOKE ABOUT HIS BACKGROUND, 227 00:13:51,267 --> 00:13:54,234 ANY OF THAT IS TOTALLY FAIR. ONLY ONE THING THE COMEDIANS 228 00:13:54,236 --> 00:13:55,318 WERE TOLD THEY MAY NOT JOKE ABOUT, AND THAT WAS THE EXTEND 229 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:58,554 OF HIS WEALTH. EXTENT OF HIS WEALTH. 230 00:13:58,556 --> 00:13:59,852 [LAUGHTER] SO HE'S A TRICKY CHARACTER TO 231 00:13:59,854 --> 00:14:02,587 WRITE ABOUT. BUT WE DID HAVE THIS GREAT TEAM 232 00:14:02,589 --> 00:14:04,517 OF FOLKS WHO YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR FROM TONIGHT AND WANT TO 233 00:14:04,519 --> 00:14:08,354 TURN OVER TO MICHAEL KCANISH -- KRANISH, MY CO-WRITER, WHO WILL 234 00:14:08,356 --> 00:14:09,895 GIVE YOU A COUPLE EXAMPLES OF THE THINGS THAT MADE DONALD 235 00:14:09,898 --> 00:14:16,364 TRUMP WHAT HE IS TODAY. [APPLAUSE] 236 00:14:16,366 --> 00:14:17,103 THANK YOU, MARC. THANK EVERYBODY FOR COMING OUT 237 00:14:17,105 --> 00:14:20,340 HERE. IT'S A GREAT HONOR TO BE PART OF 238 00:14:20,342 --> 00:14:25,708 THIS PROJECT. I DON'T KNOW IF THE POST FOLKS 239 00:14:25,710 --> 00:14:41,873 KNOW THIS, BUT WHEN I WAS GROWING UP IN D.C., I WAS A 240 00:14:41,875 --> 00:14:44,675 WASHINGTON POST PAPER BOY FOR ABOUT FIVE YEARS. 241 00:14:44,677 --> 00:14:52,56 [LAUGHTER] THE INK HAS NOT WORN OFF, AND 242 00:14:52,58 --> 00:14:53,90 I'M PROUD TO BE WORKING ON THIS PROJECT. 243 00:14:53,92 --> 00:14:54,217 WE DO FANTASTIC STORIES AND BIOGRAPHY IS SORT OF THE THREAD 244 00:14:54,219 --> 00:14:56,91 OF ALL OF THOSE STORIES THAT WE TRY TO PUT TOGETHER. 245 00:14:56,93 --> 00:14:58,718 BECAUSE IN THE CASE OF DONALD TRUMP, YOU HAVE A MAN WHO HAS 246 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:00,697 NEVER RUN FOR PUBLIC OFFICE OR HELD PUBLIC OFFICE, SO THERE'S 247 00:15:00,699 --> 00:15:02,926 AN AWFUL LOT THAT WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT HIM EVEN THOUGH HE'S ONE 248 00:15:02,928 --> 00:15:05,990 OF THE MOST COVERED FIGURES OF OUR GENERATION. 249 00:15:05,992 --> 00:15:09,120 SO IF YOU LOOK AT A PERP'S LIFE -- AT A PERSON'S LIFE, HOW 250 00:15:09,122 --> 00:15:11,416 THEY'VE DEALT WITH CRISIS, THAT, TO ME, IS ONE OF THE MOST 251 00:15:11,418 --> 00:15:13,33 IMPORTANT THINGS. SOMEONE WHO HAS DEALT WITH DARK 252 00:15:13,35 --> 00:15:14,407 MOMENTS IN THEIR LIFE, AND AND CERTAINLY DONALD TRUMP FITS THAT 253 00:15:14,409 --> 00:15:16,471 CATEGORY VERY WELL. I WANT TO TAKE YOU TO OCTOBER 254 00:15:16,473 --> 00:15:26,963 10, 1989, IN ATLANTIC CITY. IT'S A BRIGHT, SUNNY DAY, AND 255 00:15:26,965 --> 00:15:30,752 THREE OF DONALD TRUMP'S TOP CASINO EXECUTIVES -- HE'S GOT 256 00:15:30,755 --> 00:15:32,771 TWO AT THIS MOMENT, AND HE'S ABOUT TO OPEN TAJ MAHAL. 257 00:15:32,773 --> 00:15:35,328 AND THESE THREE EXECUTIVES ARE ABOUT TO THE TAKE A HELICOPTER 258 00:15:35,330 --> 00:15:39,958 RIDE TO NEW YORK CITY TO MEET WITH DONALD TRUMP AND TO PROMOTE 259 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:44,733 A BOXING MATCH TO BE HELD AT ONE OF HIS CASINOS. 260 00:15:44,735 --> 00:15:45,67 SO THE THREE MEN GET ONBOARD A SIKORSKY HELICOPTER AND HAVE A 261 00:15:45,69 --> 00:15:46,913 PRESS CONFERENCE AT THE PLAZA HOTEL IN NEW YORK. 262 00:15:46,915 --> 00:15:51,213 THEY MEET WITH DONALD TRUMP AT TRUMP TOWER ON THE 26TH FLOOR, 263 00:15:51,215 --> 00:15:54,439 AND THE MEETING GOES A LITTLE BIT LONG, AND THEY CAN NO LONGER 264 00:15:54,441 --> 00:15:57,91 TAKE THE SIKORSKY BACK TO ATLANTIC CITY, SO IS THEY BOOK A 265 00:15:57,93 --> 00:16:00,802 CHARTER FLIGHT, AND THEY TAKE AN ITALIAN-MADE AUGUSTA HELICOPTER. 266 00:16:00,804 --> 00:16:07,778 THEY BOARD THE HELICOPTER, AND A FEW MINUTES INTO THE FLIGHT 267 00:16:07,781 --> 00:16:11,0 THEY'RE OVER THE GARDEN STATE PARKWAY, AND WHAT THEY COULDN'T 268 00:16:11,2 --> 00:16:15,648 HAVE KNOWN IS THERE WAS A SMALL SCRATCH ON ONE OF THE ROTOR 269 00:16:15,650 --> 00:16:21,310 BLADES, AND AT 2200 FEET THAT HELICOPTER BASICALLY BURST 270 00:16:21,312 --> 00:16:23,340 APART, AND THE THREE MEN AND THE TWO CREW ARE KILLED, AND IT IS 271 00:16:23,342 --> 00:16:24,935 ONE OF THE MOST TRAGIC DAYS IN DONALD TRUMP'S LIFE AND, 272 00:16:24,937 --> 00:16:26,973 CERTAINLY, FOR THE PEOPLE WHO WERE KILLED IN THAT TRAGEDY. 273 00:16:26,975 --> 00:16:37,655 AND FOR DONALD TRUMP, I ASKED HIM ABOUT THIS, WE HAD A 274 00:16:37,657 --> 00:16:40,523 SEPARATE INTERVIEW WHERE I TALKED TO HIM EXTENSIVELY ABOUT 275 00:16:40,525 --> 00:16:41,414 THIS INCIDENT, AND HE DOES SAY ASIDE FROM THE DEATHS OF HIS 276 00:16:41,416 --> 00:16:42,892 PARENTS AND HIS BROTHER, FRED JR., THIS WAS THE MOST DIFFICULT 277 00:16:42,894 --> 00:16:45,71 DAY OF HIS LIFE. BECAUSE THESE MEN WERE IN CHARGE 278 00:16:45,73 --> 00:16:43,952 OF MAKING SURE HE WOULD BE SUCCESSFUL. 279 00:16:43,954 --> 00:16:46,93 HE HAD BUILT TRUMP TOWER IN NEW YORK CITY, AND HE WAS TAKING A 280 00:16:46,95 --> 00:16:47,805 BIG GAMBLE IN ATLANTIC CITY. AT THAT TIME, THIS WAS THE ONLY 281 00:16:47,807 --> 00:16:49,890 LEGAL CASINO OPERATION ON THE EAST COAST, AND DONALD TRUMP 282 00:16:49,892 --> 00:16:52,56 WANTED TO BE THE BIGGEST AND BEST OPERATOR. 283 00:16:52,58 --> 00:16:55,451 SO HE HAD TWO CASINOS, WAS ABOUT TO OPEN A THIRD, AND SUDDENLY 284 00:16:55,453 --> 00:17:02,529 THE PEOPLE IN CHARGE OF THAT HAD PERISHED. 285 00:17:02,531 --> 00:17:02,942 DONALD TRUMP HAD NOT REALLY FOCUSED HIMSELF ON THAT 286 00:17:02,944 --> 00:17:06,149 BUSINESS. IN FACT, AT THE TIME HE WAS 287 00:17:06,151 --> 00:17:07,670 HAVING AN AFFAIR WITH MARLA MAPLES, AND AS HE SAID IN 288 00:17:07,672 --> 00:17:08,893 INTERVIEWS FOR THIS BOOK, HE HAD TAKEN HIS EYE OFF THE BALL. 289 00:17:08,895 --> 00:17:12,812 AND SUDDENLY HE REALIZED THAT HE WAS IN DEEP, DEEP TROUBLE. 290 00:17:12,813 --> 00:17:16,649 SO THERE WAS ONE PERSON HE GOT A PHONE CALL FROM SHORTLY AFTER 291 00:17:16,651 --> 00:17:19,552 THE ACCIDENT, THAT MAN'S NAME WAS JOHN O'DONNELL, AND 292 00:17:19,553 --> 00:17:22,588 O'DONNELL WAS SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN ON THE HELICOPTER, BUT 293 00:17:22,589 --> 00:17:26,692 INSTEAD HE WAS IN HAWAII COMPETING IN AN ATHLETIC EVENT, 294 00:17:26,693 --> 00:17:28,927 AND HE'D SENT A JUNIOR EXECUTIVE. 295 00:17:28,929 --> 00:17:31,931 HE BASICALLY HAD NOW ALL THIS OPERATION ON HIS SHOULDERS, AND 296 00:17:31,932 --> 00:17:34,933 DONALD TRUMP MET WITH HIM WHEN HE CAME BACK FROM HAWAII, AND HE 297 00:17:34,935 --> 00:17:39,72 SAID NOW IT'S YOUR TURN, AND THEN HE SAID DON'T LEAVE ME. 298 00:17:39,73 --> 00:17:42,275 AND O'DONNELL LATER SAID THAT THIS WAS THE FIRST TIME HE'D 299 00:17:42,276 --> 00:17:45,296 SEEN SUCH FEAR AND UNCERTAINTY IN DONALD TRUMP'S EYES AND IN 300 00:17:45,298 --> 00:17:51,418 HIS VOICE. AND LONG STORY SHORT, BECAUSE I 301 00:17:51,420 --> 00:17:54,725 WANT TO GIVE EVERYBODY A CHANCE TO TALK AND QUESTION, SO FORTH, 302 00:17:54,727 --> 00:17:58,185 WHAT HAPPENED NEXT WAS THAT THINGS HAD GOTTEN SO BAD, DONALD 303 00:17:58,187 --> 00:18:00,981 TRUMP HAD GONE SO DEEPLY IN DEBT THAT THERE WERE GREAT, GREAT 304 00:18:00,983 --> 00:18:03,473 PROBLEMS DESPITE THE PUBLIC ACCLAIM FOR THE OPENING OF THE 305 00:18:03,475 --> 00:18:05,910 TAJ MAHAL. AND PRETTY SOON ALL THREE 306 00:18:05,912 --> 00:18:08,33 CASINOS WENT INTO BANKRUPTCY, AND THERE WERE THREE OTHER 307 00:18:08,35 --> 00:18:11,76 CORPORATE BANKRUPTCIES, AND A LOT OF PEOPLE WERE FIRED. 308 00:18:11,78 --> 00:18:14,460 DONALD TRUMP SAID SOMEBODY WHO WAS RUNNING THE CASINO HAD A 309 00:18:14,462 --> 00:18:17,106 TYPE C PERSONALITY, AND HE BLAMED OTHERS. 310 00:18:17,108 --> 00:18:22,680 BUT AS I MENTIONED, HE ALSO TOLD US HE'D TAKEN HIS EYE OFF THE 311 00:18:22,682 --> 00:18:26,942 BALL. WE TELL THE STORY ABOUT HOW HE 312 00:18:26,944 --> 00:18:31,472 MANAGED TO SURVIVE THE NADIR OF HIS CAREER IN ATLANTIC CITY. 313 00:18:31,474 --> 00:18:34,163 HE BASICALLY HAD TO LOOK OUT FOR HIMSELF, AND AS HE TOLD US, I 314 00:18:34,165 --> 00:18:42,190 WAS LOOKING OUT FOR DONALD TRUMP. 315 00:18:42,192 --> 00:18:44,450 I NEEDED TO SURVIVE, AND THAT'S WHAT MATTERED AT THE MOMENT. 316 00:18:44,452 --> 00:18:48,965 AND BE HE DID SURVIVE. SO WITH THAT STORY, YOU 317 00:18:48,967 --> 00:18:49,683 UNDERSTAND WHY THOSE WHO UNDERSTAND ESTIMATED HIM WOULD 318 00:18:49,685 --> 00:18:52,292 DO SO AT THEIR PERIL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 319 00:18:52,294 --> 00:18:55,104 MS. . SO WE'LL TURN TO SOME OF THE 320 00:18:55,105 --> 00:18:58,718 OTHER REPORTERS. BOB O'HARA WAS A REPORTER IN THE 321 00:18:58,719 --> 00:19:03,656 POST INVESTIGATIONS UNIT, AND HE DID SOME OF THE VERY DIFFICULT 322 00:19:03,657 --> 00:19:06,458 DOCUMENT WORK ON THIS BOOK AS WELL AS FINDING SOME PEOPLE WHO 323 00:19:06,460 --> 00:19:09,795 WERE WILLING TO TALK ABOUT THAT PERIOD THAT MICHAEL WAS JUST 324 00:19:09,796 --> 00:19:15,791 TALKING ABOUT IN ATLANTIC CITY, SOME VERY ROUGH TIME IFS FOR 325 00:19:15,793 --> 00:19:19,882 DONALD TRUMP. -- TIMES FOR DONALD TRUMP. 326 00:19:19,884 --> 00:19:22,31 AND, BOB, YOU LEARNED A LOT ABOUT TRUMP'S BUSINESS STYLE AND 327 00:19:22,33 --> 00:19:25,380 ABOUT THE KIND OF CHARACTERS HE WAS WILLING TO ASSOCIATE HIMSELF 328 00:19:25,382 --> 00:19:28,330 WITH IN ORDER TO GET A START IN THE VERY ROUGH AND TUMBLE OF 329 00:19:28,332 --> 00:19:31,93 ATLANTIC CITY'S CASINO WORLD. TALK TO US A LITTLE ABOUT THAT. 330 00:19:31,94 --> 00:19:34,20 IT'S ACTUALLY REMARKABLE BECAUSE IT WAS A LONG TIME AGO, 331 00:19:34,21 --> 00:19:37,123 BUT IT FEELS VERY FRESH. I THINK PREDICTIVE IN SOME WAYS 332 00:19:37,125 --> 00:19:40,959 ABOUT THE TYPE OF PERSONALITY THAT HE IS. 333 00:19:40,961 --> 00:19:44,296 PROBABLY THE MOST FORMIDABLE CHARACTER THAT HE CONNECTED 334 00:19:44,298 --> 00:19:48,500 HIMSELF WITH WAS ROY COHN. AND IF PEOPLE DON'T REMEMBER ROY 335 00:19:48,502 --> 00:19:51,803 COHN, HE'S WORTH LOOKING INTO. HE WAS BRAINS BEHIND THE 336 00:19:51,805 --> 00:19:55,740 MCCARTHY HEARINGS IN THE '50S, AND HE WAS A BRILLIANT, 337 00:19:55,742 --> 00:20:01,479 SOMETHING OF A PRODIGY AS A YOUNG MAN AND WAS PRETTY MUCH A 338 00:20:01,481 --> 00:20:08,421 SAVAGE LEGAL MIND WHO FOCUSED ON ATTACKING AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE 339 00:20:08,422 --> 00:20:12,324 AND NEVER APOLOGIZING. AND HE RAN INTO TRUMP IN THE 340 00:20:12,326 --> 00:20:16,62 EARLY '70S, AND TRUMP EMBRACED HIM, AND THEY BECAME -- THEY 341 00:20:16,63 --> 00:20:20,573 DEVELOPED AN INTERESTING RELATIONSHIP THAT WAS BOTH LEGAL 342 00:20:20,575 --> 00:20:30,642 AND A FRIENDSHIP, AND COHN SORT OF SQUIRED HIM AROUND NEW YORK, 343 00:20:30,644 --> 00:20:35,511 INTRODUCED HIM TO A LOT OF POWERFUL PEOPLE. 344 00:20:35,513 --> 00:20:39,55 AND I THINK THAT THAT WAS PROBABLY SET THE TONE FOR MUCH 345 00:20:39,57 --> 00:20:42,419 OF THE REST OF HIS CAREER. COHN REPRESENTED HIM THROUGH THE 346 00:20:42,421 --> 00:20:45,825 '80S, AND THERE ARE QUALITIES THAT WE SEE IN DONALD TRUMP NOW, 347 00:20:45,827 --> 00:20:49,360 SOME OF THE HARSHER QUALITIES THAT ARE REMARKABLY SIMILAR TO 348 00:20:49,362 --> 00:20:50,766 ROY COHN'S METHODS AND DEMEANOR. AND JUST BRIEFLY, TELL US A 349 00:20:50,768 --> 00:20:52,964 LITTLE BIT ABOUT ASSEMBLING THE DOCUMENTS THAT GAVE US INSIGHTS 350 00:20:52,966 --> 00:20:56,167 INTO TRUMP'S FINANCES IN THAT PERIOD. 351 00:20:56,169 --> 00:20:59,704 OH, THERE'S A MASSIVE TROVE OF INFORMATION, AND AND WE 352 00:20:59,706 --> 00:21:02,807 PROBABLY TAPPED -- WELL, WE TAPPED A LOT OF IT, BUT THERE'S 353 00:21:02,809 --> 00:21:05,443 A LOT OF MATERIAL TO BE EXAMINED. 354 00:21:05,445 --> 00:21:10,249 ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE FOUND IS THAT DONALD TRUMP HAS 355 00:21:10,250 --> 00:21:14,687 SURROUNDED HIMSELF IN COMPLEXITY AND KIND OF A CLOUD OF ON TO 356 00:21:14,688 --> 00:21:18,390 SECURITY THROUGHOUT HIS -- OBSCURITY THROUGHOUT HIS CAREER. 357 00:21:18,392 --> 00:21:21,93 DEALS ARE COMPLEX, ANSWERS ARE COMPLEX AND VAGUE OFTEN TIMES. 358 00:21:21,94 --> 00:21:24,729 AND THE DOCUMENTS THAT WE WERE ABLE TO COMPILE PARTICULARLY 359 00:21:24,731 --> 00:21:39,390 FROM THE CASINO CONTROL COMMISSION IN NEW JERSEY HELPED 360 00:21:39,392 --> 00:21:44,182 US TO CUT THROUGH THE FOG OF OBFUSCATION AND TO GET TO 361 00:21:44,184 --> 00:21:45,80 PARTICULARS. AND THE ONE THAT WAS MOST 362 00:21:45,82 --> 00:21:47,860 STRIKING TO ME, AND IT WAS SO STRIKING I ACTUALLY DID NOT 363 00:21:47,862 --> 00:21:52,8 BELIEVE IT FOR A WHILE UNTIL I REPORTED IT THOROUGHLY AND 364 00:21:52,10 --> 00:21:56,404 REALIZED IT WAS TRUE, WAS THAT WHEN DONALD TRUMP WAS TRYING TO 365 00:21:56,406 --> 00:21:56,17 GET HIS THIRD CASINO, THE TAJ, HE HAD TO SHOW THAT HE WAS 366 00:21:56,19 --> 00:22:03,818 FINANCIALLY CAPABLE OF MANAGING HIMSELF AND MAKING IT THRIVE. 367 00:22:03,820 --> 00:22:04,670 AND HE PROMISED THE REGULATORS THAT HE WAS NOT GOING TO USE 368 00:22:04,671 --> 00:22:07,772 JUNK BONDS TO FINANCE THE TAJ. AND IN THE, IN HIS TESTIMONY 369 00:22:07,774 --> 00:22:13,312 WHICH IS IN BLACK AND WHITE, YOU CAN ACTUALLY READ IT ONLINE, HE 370 00:22:13,313 --> 00:22:16,614 SAYS THAT PEOPLE THAT USE JUNK BONDS ARE LOSERS, IN EFFECT, AND 371 00:22:16,616 --> 00:22:19,751 THAT THEY'RE STUPID AND THAT COMPANIES THAT USE JUNK BONDS 372 00:22:19,753 --> 00:22:23,656 ARE, IN EFFECT, JUNK. AND IT WAS ONLY -- AND THEY 373 00:22:23,657 --> 00:22:27,392 APPROVED HIS MOVE TO GO FORWARD, AND IT WAS ONLY A FEW MONTHS 374 00:22:27,394 --> 00:22:32,397 LATER THAT HE COULD NOT RAISE THE MONEY AT THE LOW PRIME RATES 375 00:22:32,399 --> 00:22:35,333 THAT HE HAD PROMISED AND USED JUNK BONDS. 376 00:22:35,335 --> 00:22:38,838 AND IN MAKING THAT DECISION AND ACTUALLY SIGNING OFF ON THOSE 377 00:22:38,839 --> 00:22:43,975 JUNK BONDS, HE SEALED HIS FATE, AND HIS WHOLE EMPIRE WAS ALMOST 378 00:22:43,977 --> 00:22:48,114 CERTAIN TO GO DOWN THE TUBES AS WAS PREDICTED BY A FINANCIAL 379 00:22:48,115 --> 00:22:50,615 ANALYST WHO WAS WATCHING EVERYTHING VERY CLOSELY. 380 00:22:50,617 --> 00:22:54,253 SO THAT'S THE KIND OF DETAIL THAT WE WERE ABLE TO MINE TO GET 381 00:22:54,255 --> 00:22:57,857 TO THE PARTICULARS RATHER THAN THE GENERALITIES THAT HAD 382 00:22:57,859 --> 00:23:01,394 SURROUNDED HIM AND THAT HE SURROUNDED HIMSELF WITH. 383 00:23:01,395 --> 00:23:05,97 MARY JORDAN IS THE NATIONAL REPORTER AT THE POST WHO LED A 384 00:23:05,98 --> 00:23:08,534 GROUP OF REPORTERS WHO LOOKED INTO DONALD TRUMP'S FAMILY, HIS 385 00:23:08,536 --> 00:23:12,137 RELATIONSHIPS WITH HIS WIVES, THREE WIVES AND HIS FIVE 386 00:23:12,139 --> 00:23:15,374 CHILDREN. AND AS PART OF THAT, WE MADE AN 387 00:23:15,375 --> 00:23:17,176 EFFORT TO TALK TO ALL OF THOSE PEOPLE. 388 00:23:17,177 --> 00:23:18,878 TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT THAT WAS LIKE AND WHAT CAME OUT 389 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:21,922 OF IT. SO I GOT THE WOMEN. 390 00:23:21,924 --> 00:23:30,714 [LAUGHTER] AND KAREN HELLER IS HERE, 391 00:23:30,716 --> 00:23:31,883 ANOTHER GREAT REPORTER, AND BOY, WAS THAT INTERESTING. 392 00:23:31,885 --> 00:23:33,202 OKAY. THERE HAS NEVER BEEN A PRESIDENT 393 00:23:33,204 --> 00:23:34,949 WHO HAS THREE WIVES ALIVE WALKING AROUND. 394 00:23:34,951 --> 00:23:36,761 [LAUGHTER] THAT'S NEVER HAPPENED, RIGHT? 395 00:23:36,763 --> 00:23:40,499 AND WHERE ARE THEY? WE KNOW EVERYTHING. 396 00:23:40,500 --> 00:23:42,333 THIS GUY IS ON THE AIR ALL THE TIME. 397 00:23:42,335 --> 00:23:44,937 WHERE IS HIS FIRST WIFE? IVANA? 398 00:23:44,938 --> 00:23:50,776 THE FAMOUS ONE WHO WAS THE ONE, IN FACT, SHE'S FROM THE FORMER 399 00:23:50,777 --> 00:23:54,380 CZECHOSLOVAKIA, WHO COINED THE TERM "THE DONALD." 400 00:23:54,381 --> 00:23:58,516 SHE'S ALSO THE ONE WHEN THEY HAD A WICKED, WICKED PUBLIC DIVORCE 401 00:23:58,518 --> 00:24:01,219 WAS ON THE COVER EVERY DAY OF TABLOIDS SAID DON'T GET MAD, GET 402 00:24:01,221 --> 00:24:02,755 EVERYTHING. [LAUGHTER] 403 00:24:02,756 --> 00:24:06,558 OKAY. THIS WOMAN LIKES TO TALK, AND 404 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:09,260 SHE'S JUST DISAPPEARED. NEVER SEEN HER. 405 00:24:09,262 --> 00:24:11,95 SECOND WIFE, IS SHE'S STILL ALIVE. 406 00:24:11,97 --> 00:24:13,499 SHE'S BEEN MARRIED FOUR TIMES, AND DONALD WENT TO HER FOURTH 407 00:24:13,500 --> 00:24:30,127 WEDDING. [LAUGHTER] 408 00:24:30,129 --> 00:24:31,736 BUT MARLA MAPLES COMES ALONG, AND HE'S STILL MARRIED -- 409 00:24:31,738 --> 00:24:33,34 INCONVENIENTLY -- TO THE FIRST WOMAN. 410 00:24:33,36 --> 00:24:36,450 AND SO THIS WAS HIDDEN FOR A WHILE, BUT THEN THERE WAS THIS 411 00:24:36,452 --> 00:24:36,111 BIG SCENE IN ASPEN AT CHRISTMAS TIME, AND THE TWO WOMEN WERE 412 00:24:36,113 --> 00:24:38,204 FIGHTING OVER DONALD. HE LOVED IT. 413 00:24:38,206 --> 00:24:40,583 IT WAS IN PAPER. AT THAT TIME HE WASN'T RUNNING 414 00:24:40,585 --> 00:24:43,154 FOR OFFICE, AND HE LOVED, LOVED THAT WOMEN -- HE WAS ON PAGE 6 415 00:24:43,156 --> 00:24:47,466 IN THE TABLOIDS IN NEW YORK. IN FACT, MANY, MANY PEOPLE WE 416 00:24:47,468 --> 00:24:51,560 TALKED TO SAID HE CULTIVATED THIS. 417 00:24:51,562 --> 00:24:55,387 HE LOVED BEING IN THE NEWSPAPER ABOUT THIS WOMAN, AND NOW ALONG 418 00:24:55,389 --> 00:25:00,21 CAME -- AND THAT WOMAN. AND ALONG CAME MARLA MAPLES WITH 419 00:25:00,23 --> 00:25:01,18 A GREAT NAME, FORMER BEAUTY PAGEANT WINNER IN GEORGIA. 420 00:25:01,20 --> 00:25:03,225 IT WASN'T EVEN, LIKE, MISS GEORGIA, IT WAS LIKE MISS PEACH. 421 00:25:03,227 --> 00:25:11,969 [LAUGHTER] BUT SHE WAS, OBVIOUSLY, VERY 422 00:25:11,971 --> 00:25:10,883 GOOD LOOKING AND YOUNGER, AND IN THE END HE GOT DIVORCED FROM 423 00:25:10,885 --> 00:25:15,384 IVANA, MARRIED MARLA. WHERE IS SHE? 424 00:25:15,386 --> 00:25:17,756 SHE'S GONE. YOU DON'T SEE HER AT ALL DURING 425 00:25:17,758 --> 00:25:22,510 THIS CAMPAIGN. IT IS REALLY STUNNING, 426 00:25:22,512 --> 00:25:23,944 ESPECIALLY -- AND THE LAST THING I JUST POSTED A STORY A COUPLE 427 00:25:23,946 --> 00:25:28,390 HOURS AGO, TODAY, ABOUT HIS CURRENT WIFE -- OR I SHOULD SAY 428 00:25:28,392 --> 00:25:30,609 HIS THIRD WIFE, BECAUSE IF YOU SAY HIS CURRENT WIFE, PEOPLE 429 00:25:30,610 --> 00:25:34,345 THINK THERE'S MORE COMING. [LAUGHTER] 430 00:25:34,347 --> 00:25:38,583 BUT ANYWAY, SO HIS THIRD WIFE -- [LAUGHTER] 431 00:25:38,585 --> 00:25:42,387 MELANIA TRUMP. SHE WAS -- SHE HAS NOT BEEN 432 00:25:42,389 --> 00:25:45,595 HEARD OF SINCE THE REPUBLICAN NATIONAL CONVENTION ON THE 21ST 433 00:25:45,597 --> 00:25:49,928 OF JULY. WE'RE IN THE HOME STRETCH OF A 434 00:25:49,930 --> 00:25:53,666 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN WHERE IF HE WINS, SHE IS THE FIRST LADY 435 00:25:53,667 --> 00:25:56,302 OF THE UNITED STATES. SHE HAS AN OFFICE IN THE WHITE 436 00:25:56,303 --> 00:25:58,904 HOUSE, SHE HAS A PUBLIC PLATFORM, AND SHE HAS LITERALLY 437 00:25:58,906 --> 00:26:03,808 GONE SILENT. IT'S VERY, VERY UNUSUAL. 438 00:26:03,810 --> 00:26:05,978 AS MANY THINGS IN THIS CAMPAIGN ARE UNUSUAL. 439 00:26:05,979 --> 00:26:10,664 OKAY. SO THREE WIVES, ALL OF THEM ARE 440 00:26:10,666 --> 00:26:16,56 NOT TALKING WHILE THE KIDS ARE. BUT JUST IF I COULD FOR A 441 00:26:16,58 --> 00:26:17,457 MINUTE, LET'S GO BACK, ROLL BACK. 442 00:26:17,459 --> 00:26:19,625 SINCE WE'RE A BOOK ON HIS LIFE, ABOUT WHAT IT USED TO BE ABOUT 443 00:26:19,626 --> 00:26:22,427 DONALD AND WOMEN. HE USED TO GO ON HOWARD STERN, 444 00:26:22,429 --> 00:26:25,797 FOR INSTANCE. HE'S THE SHOCK JOCK. 445 00:26:25,799 --> 00:26:30,578 AND HE WOULD GO ON ALL THE TIME, AND STERN WOULD SAY, DONALD, 446 00:26:30,580 --> 00:26:36,14 WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT DIANE SAWYER, WOULD YOU DO HER, YOU 447 00:26:36,16 --> 00:26:36,909 KNOW? AND ALL THIS KIND OF TALK. 448 00:26:36,911 --> 00:26:39,944 AND THEY WOULD -- AND WITH MUCH MORE GRAPHIC THAN THAT. 449 00:26:39,946 --> 00:26:42,947 AND HE WAS ALWAYS TALKING ABOUT WOMEN, HE WAS ALWAYS TALKING 450 00:26:42,949 --> 00:26:47,686 ABOUT HOW PRINCESS DIANA GOT AWAY FROM HIM, YOU KNOW? 451 00:26:47,687 --> 00:26:51,723 IF HE ONLY HAD A CHANCE REALLY TO GO, YOU KNOW? 452 00:26:51,725 --> 00:26:54,392 BUT WOMEN DEFINED HIM. AND I THINK WHEN WE TALK TO 453 00:26:54,394 --> 00:26:58,730 PEOPLE WHO KNOW HIM, WHO KNEW HIM IN THE '80S, THE '90S, 454 00:26:58,732 --> 00:27:00,633 THEY SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT? THERE WERE A LOT OF RICH PEOPLE 455 00:27:00,635 --> 00:27:03,468 IN NEW YORK. THERE WERE A LOT OF RICH PEOPLE 456 00:27:03,470 --> 00:27:06,771 WHO HAD BUILDINGS IN NEW YORK, BUT THERE WAS ONLY ONE DONALD 457 00:27:06,773 --> 00:27:10,249 TRUMP WHO WAS ALWAYS IN THE PAPER WITH SOME OTHER BABE WHO 458 00:27:10,251 --> 00:27:15,67 WANTED HIM. AND THAT WAS A DIRECT QUOTE FROM 459 00:27:15,69 --> 00:27:20,845 SOMEONE WHO KNEW HIM. SO I THINK FOR A LONG TIME WOMEN 460 00:27:20,847 --> 00:27:22,405 GOT ATTENTION FOR DONALD TRUMP. AND FOR SOME REASON, I THINK HE 461 00:27:22,407 --> 00:27:27,486 LIKED ATTENTION. [LAUGHTER] 462 00:27:27,488 --> 00:27:30,958 AND I THINK THAT HE, WHEN YOU GO TO HIS OFFICE, I'VE INTERVIEWED 463 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:34,150 HIM IN HIS OFFICE, AND I'VE TALKED TO MELANIA ON THE PHONE, 464 00:27:34,152 --> 00:27:38,833 IT'S VERY STRIKING THAT THERE'S ONLY REALLY GOOD LOOKING WOMEN 465 00:27:38,835 --> 00:27:43,801 IN THE OFFICE. HE TALKS ABOUT WOMEN'S 466 00:27:43,803 --> 00:27:46,976 APPEARANCES NONSTOP. I MEAN, HE'S 70 YEARS OLD, AND I 467 00:27:46,978 --> 00:27:49,203 KNOW A LOT OF OLDER PEOPLE OFTEN, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY SEE 468 00:27:49,204 --> 00:27:48,949 SOMEBODY, THEY SAY IT, BUT IT'S VERY UNUSUAL TO HAVE A 469 00:27:48,951 --> 00:27:51,467 PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE -- AND HE'S GETTING TRIPPED UP ON THIS 470 00:27:51,469 --> 00:27:53,999 EVERY SO OFTEN BECAUSE APPEARANCES DO MATTER. 471 00:27:54,1 --> 00:27:56,655 SO IN CONTRAST TO THE OLD DAYS WHERE HE JUST LOVED TALKING 472 00:27:56,656 --> 00:27:59,557 ABOUT DONALD TRUMP ASK WOMEN -- AND WOMEN, WE DON'T HEAR FROM 473 00:27:59,559 --> 00:28:03,494 THEM ANYMORE. MARY HAD AN ESPECIALLY 474 00:28:03,496 --> 00:28:07,232 REVEALING INTERVIEW WITH DONALD TRUMP'S LAWYER ABOUT THIS 475 00:28:07,234 --> 00:28:24,565 QUESTION OF HOW TRUMP HAD SPENT YEARS AND YEARS CULTIVATING THIS 476 00:28:24,567 --> 00:28:27,120 PLAYBOY IMAGE AND INVITING REPORTERS TO COME OUT AND SEE 477 00:28:27,122 --> 00:28:33,507 HIM AT A CLUB WHEN HE WOULD BE THERE WITH THE PRETTIEST MODELS, 478 00:28:33,509 --> 00:28:34,664 AND YET HIS LAWYER TOLD YOU THAT WHEN THE CAMERAS WERE TURNED 479 00:28:34,666 --> 00:28:38,615 OFF, IT WAS ACTUALLY A VERY DIFFERENT KIND OF DYNAMIC. 480 00:28:38,617 --> 00:28:41,985 WELL, HE WOULD GO TO ALL THE NIGHTCLUB OPENINGS, STUDIO 54, 481 00:28:41,987 --> 00:28:44,51 IN THE DAY. YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY DURING THIS 482 00:28:44,53 --> 00:28:46,447 GAP WHEN HE WASN'T MARRIED. THERE WAS A TIME AFTER MARLA 483 00:28:46,449 --> 00:28:46,978 MAPLES AND BEFORE MELANIA THAT HE WASN'T MARRIED, AND HE 484 00:28:46,980 --> 00:28:49,608 BLITZED THE SCENE. BUT HE WAS VERY CAREFUL ABOUT 485 00:28:49,610 --> 00:28:52,234 HOW HE SPENT HIS TIME, BECAUSE IT WAS WHERE THERE WERE CAMERAS. 486 00:28:52,236 --> 00:28:53,398 AND HE WAS ALWAYS WITH MODELS. HE WOULD CALL MODELING AGENCIES 487 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:59,46 UP AND, IN FACT, WHEN HE HAD PARTIES, MAKE SURE THAT HIS OWN 488 00:28:59,48 --> 00:29:01,119 PARTIES HAD A RATIO OF 5 TO 1 GORGEOUS WOMEN TO MEN. 489 00:29:01,121 --> 00:29:03,421 AND HE WAS, YOU KNOW, CONSTANTLY SURROUNDING HIMSELF WITH WOMEN 490 00:29:03,423 --> 00:29:07,558 AND AT OPENINGS. SO I SAID TO HIS LAWYER, DICK 491 00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:10,895 GOLDBERG, I SAID, YOU KNOW, HOW DID HE HAVE TIME FOR THIS? 492 00:29:10,897 --> 00:29:13,197 HE'S ALWAYS TELLING ME THAT WORK, HOW COULD I DO ALL THIS 493 00:29:13,199 --> 00:29:15,600 STUFF, MARY? I MEAN, I'M WORKING. 494 00:29:15,602 --> 00:29:18,458 I HAVE ALL THIS MONEY AND RESPONSIBILITY, I HAVE GREAT 495 00:29:18,460 --> 00:29:20,127 BUILDINGS, HAVE YOU SEEN MY GREAT BUILDINGS? 496 00:29:20,129 --> 00:29:23,20 [LAUGHTER] YOU KNOW, THIS IS HOW HE TALKS. 497 00:29:23,22 --> 00:29:27,479 HOW COULD I POSSIBLY HAVE BEEN WITH ALL THESE WOMEN. 498 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:30,82 SO I ASKED GOLDBERG, AND HE AGREED COMPLETELY. 499 00:29:30,83 --> 00:29:33,918 ACTUALLY, HE'S ON TRUMP TOWER, AND HE WORKS IN PART OF IT, HE 500 00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:46,976 REALLY JUST LIKES TO TURN THE ELEVATOR UP AND TURN ON THE TUBE 501 00:29:46,978 --> 00:29:49,870 AND WATCH TV. SO I SAID TO TRUMP, AND THEN 502 00:29:49,872 --> 00:29:54,466 TRUMP SAID, WELL, YOU KNOW, MAYBE IT WASN'T AS GLAMOROUS AS 503 00:29:54,468 --> 00:29:54,702 IT'S ALL OUT TO BE. SO, I MEAN, IMAGE, YOU KNOW, HE 504 00:29:54,704 --> 00:29:57,744 WAS GREAT AT GETTING ATTENTION. HOW MANY WOMEN DID HE REALLY 505 00:29:57,746 --> 00:30:00,378 HAVE AND HOW MUCH TV DID HE HAVE, I DON'T KNOW. 506 00:30:00,380 --> 00:30:05,701 [LAUGHTER] ROBERT SAMUELS IS A NATIONAL 507 00:30:05,703 --> 00:30:07,381 POLITICAL REPORTER AT THE POST, AND ROBERT LOOKED INTO THE 508 00:30:07,383 --> 00:30:10,398 TRANSITION THAT DONALD TRUMP MADE FROM CELEBRITY TO 509 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:13,110 POLITICIAN AND THE ROOTS OF HIS INTEREST IN RUNNING FOR OFFICE. 510 00:30:13,112 --> 00:30:15,2 AND TELL US A LITTLE BIT -- DID HE SEE THIS AS A COMPLETELY 511 00:30:15,4 --> 00:30:16,961 DIFFERENT KIND OF PURSUIT, OR WAS IT KIND OF A NATURAL 512 00:30:16,963 --> 00:30:18,563 PROGRESSION FOR HIM? RIGHT. 513 00:30:18,565 --> 00:30:22,401 WELL, ONE OF THE GOVERNING QUESTIONS THAT I WAS REALLY 514 00:30:22,402 --> 00:30:27,104 INTERESTED IN FINDING WAS WHY IS THIS MAN DOING THIS? 515 00:30:27,106 --> 00:30:32,43 AND IT WAS VERY CLEAR FROM SPEAKING WITH PEOPLE WHO KNEW 516 00:30:32,45 --> 00:30:37,482 HIM THAT AT SOME POINT HE DIDN'T REALIZE THE PHENOMENA AND THE 517 00:30:37,484 --> 00:30:41,687 MOVEMENT THAT WE'VE SEEN SWEEP ACROSS THE COUNTRY. 518 00:30:41,688 --> 00:30:44,121 WHAT WE KNOW THROUGH HIS POLITICAL LIFE AND HIS 519 00:30:44,123 --> 00:30:47,326 AFFILIATION IS THAT HE DIDN'T REALLY HAVE MUCH STOMACH FOR 520 00:30:47,328 --> 00:30:51,762 PARTISAN PRINCIPLES. BETWEEN 1999 AND 2012, HE 521 00:30:51,764 --> 00:30:52,964 CHANGED POLITICAL PARTIES SEVEN TIMES. 522 00:30:52,966 --> 00:30:59,604 [LAUGHTER] HE'S DONATED BETWEEN 1995 AND 523 00:30:59,606 --> 00:31:06,545 2012, HE DONATED $3.1 MILLION BY HIMSELF WITHOUT LOOKING AT HIS 524 00:31:06,546 --> 00:31:08,948 COMPANIES TO ALL SORTS OF POLITICIANS. 525 00:31:08,950 --> 00:31:18,524 HE DONATED TO CLINTON, HE DONATED TO CARTER. 526 00:31:18,526 --> 00:31:22,138 HE LOVED RONALD REAGAN. SO WHAT IS THIS ABOUT REALLY. 527 00:31:22,140 --> 00:31:24,395 AND TO DO THAT, WE STARTED LOOKING AT LOTS AND LOTS OF 528 00:31:24,397 --> 00:31:25,656 FOOTAGE AND INTERVIEWS THAT HE'S DONE OVER THE YEARS. 529 00:31:25,658 --> 00:31:30,763 AND WE TALKED SOME PEOPLE INTO SHOWING US THE UNAIRED, UNEDITED 530 00:31:30,765 --> 00:31:33,123 VERSIONS OF THIS, OF THESE TAPES. 531 00:31:33,125 --> 00:31:39,72 AND AND EARLY ON FROM HIS VERY FIRST MAJOR NETWORK TELEVISION 532 00:31:39,74 --> 00:31:41,758 INTERVIEW IN 1980, WE SEE A THEME THAT STARTS TO EMERGE. 533 00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:43,678 HE'S TALKING ABOUT A BUILDING, AND THEN HE BEGINS TO RAIL ON 534 00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:45,250 THE IDEA THAT AMERICA'S BEING LAUGHED AT. 535 00:31:45,251 --> 00:31:48,386 THAT THERE'S SOMETHING THAT'S HAPPENING IN THE POLITICAL 536 00:31:48,388 --> 00:31:50,822 SYSTEM WHERE LEADERS AREN'T STRONG ENOUGH LIKE THEY USED TO 537 00:31:50,823 --> 00:31:54,725 BE. AND HE BEGINS TO PONDER WHETHER 538 00:31:54,727 --> 00:32:00,531 OR NOT POLITICIANS TODAY CAN BE LIKE AN ABRAHAM LINCOLN. 539 00:32:00,533 --> 00:32:04,568 AND HE SAYS ABRAHAM LINCOLN COULD NEVER WIN IN 1980 BECAUSE 540 00:32:04,570 --> 00:32:07,973 HE WAS TOO UGLY, HE DID NOT LOOK GOOD ON TV, AND HE DIDN'T KNOW 541 00:32:07,974 --> 00:32:11,609 HOW TO MASTER THE MEDIA. AND THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED 542 00:32:11,611 --> 00:32:16,547 STATES IN THIS MODERN ERA NEEDS TO KNOW HOW TO DO THESE SKILLS. 543 00:32:16,549 --> 00:32:21,353 AND AND SO WHAT WE SEE OVER THE COURSE OF TIME IS DONALD TRUMP 544 00:32:21,354 --> 00:32:27,491 ASSESSING POLITICSES AND PRESIDENTS ON -- POLITICIANS AND 545 00:32:27,493 --> 00:32:31,729 PRESIDENTS ON THEIR ABILITY TO AFFECT MESSAGES, TO COMMUNICATE 546 00:32:31,731 --> 00:32:35,133 MESSAGES EFFECTIVELY AND TO FIGURE OUT WHETHER OR NOT THEY 547 00:32:35,135 --> 00:32:44,475 MAKE THE COUNTRY FEEL GREAT AGAIN AND EVERYONE DOES A PRETTY 548 00:32:44,477 --> 00:32:48,213 GREAT JOB UNTIL OBAMA WHO HE CONSIDERS A TOTAL DISASTER. 549 00:32:48,214 --> 00:32:52,150 BY THIS POINT IN 2012, DONALD TRUMP HAS MASTERED THE CELEBRITY 550 00:32:52,151 --> 00:32:56,154 THAT HE SAYS THOSE GREAT MINDS IN 1980 DID NOT MASTER. 551 00:32:56,156 --> 00:33:00,92 HE'S BECOME THE STAR OF "THE APPRENTICE," HE HAS THIS TWITTER 552 00:33:00,93 --> 00:33:01,892 FOLLOWING THAT EVERYONE ENJOYS BECAUSE HE'S TALKING ABOUT 553 00:33:01,894 --> 00:33:04,595 EVERYTHING FROM WHETHER OR NOT BARACK OBAMA'S FROM THE UNITED 554 00:33:04,597 --> 00:33:08,333 STATES TO WHETHER OR NOT KATY PERRY'S MARRIAGES ARE GOING TO 555 00:33:08,334 --> 00:33:24,835 WORK OUT. AND HE DECIDES THAT HE IS, IN 556 00:33:24,837 --> 00:33:24,959 FACT, THE PERSON WHO COULD BEST SYMBOLIZE THE GREATNESS AND 557 00:33:24,961 --> 00:33:27,737 TOUGH LEADERSHIP OF AMERICA. AND SO THERE'S A LOT OF, THERE'S 558 00:33:27,739 --> 00:33:29,806 BEEN A LOT OF SKEPTICISM ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT DONALD TRUMP 559 00:33:29,808 --> 00:33:33,248 WANTED TO DO THIS, WHETHER HE WANTED TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT. 560 00:33:33,250 --> 00:33:39,198 BUT IT IS TRUE THAT DAYS AFTER ROMNEY LOST THAT ELECTION, HE 561 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:43,546 WAS THE ONE WHO FILED AN APPLICATION TO THE PATENT 562 00:33:43,548 --> 00:33:47,229 OFFICE, AND HE COPYRIGHTED ONE PHRASE, AND THAT PHRASE WAS MAKE 563 00:33:47,231 --> 00:33:50,699 AMERICA GREAT AGAIN. AND SO YOU SEE THE THEMATICS OF 564 00:33:50,701 --> 00:33:52,900 HIS CAMPAIGN STARTING FROM EARLY ON IN HIS PUBLIC PERSONA, BUT IT 565 00:33:52,902 --> 00:33:54,347 HAD BEEN SOMETHING HE HAD BEEN THINKING ABOUT AND TOYING AROUND 566 00:33:54,349 --> 00:33:59,396 WITH FOR SEVERAL DECADES. GREAT. 567 00:33:59,398 --> 00:34:03,787 THERE'S ONE PIECE OF VIDEO THAT YOU GOT FROM IT WAS AN OLD RONA 568 00:34:03,789 --> 00:34:04,261 BARRETT CELEBRITY INTERVIEW FROM THE 1980S WHICH HAD NEVER 569 00:34:04,263 --> 00:34:08,794 AIRED. YOU GOT PARTS THAT HAD NEVER 570 00:34:08,796 --> 00:34:11,446 AIRED, AND HE WAS REMARKABLY SIMILAR IN THE WAY HE TALKED 571 00:34:11,447 --> 00:34:15,526 ABOUT POLITICAL ISSUES, BUT HE WAS ALSO VERY FRANK ABOUT THE 572 00:34:15,528 --> 00:34:17,903 SORT OF DYNAMIC OF WHAT WAS MAKING HIM DECIDE TO RUN OR NOT 573 00:34:17,905 --> 00:34:32,367 TO RUN. IT'S INTERESTING, AND MAYBE 574 00:34:32,369 --> 00:34:37,803 IT'S BECAUSE IT WAS SO EARLY IN DONALD TRUMP'S POLITICAL CAREER, 575 00:34:37,805 --> 00:34:37,478 BUT RONA BARRETT REALLY GOT PROBABLY THE BEST INFORMATION 576 00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:40,155 OUT OF DONALD TRUMP THAN ANY INTERVIEW THAT I HAD SEEN, US 577 00:34:40,156 --> 00:34:43,583 NOTWITHSTANDING. [LAUGHTER] 578 00:34:43,584 --> 00:34:46,61 AND YOU SEE, YOU SEE HIM GOING THROUGH -- HE SAID -- RONA 579 00:34:46,62 --> 00:34:48,199 BARRETT ASKS HIM, DO YOU WANT TO BE PRESIDENT? 580 00:34:48,201 --> 00:34:50,701 HE SAID, NO, I LOVE BUILDING. I'M AN ARTIST, I LOVE BUILDING 581 00:34:50,703 --> 00:34:54,271 MY BUILDINGS. AND OVER TIME IT REALLY AFFECTS 582 00:34:54,273 --> 00:34:58,143 HIM. AND HE STARTS TO TAKE TO THIS 583 00:34:58,145 --> 00:35:01,446 IDEA THAT, HUH, MAYBE ONE DAY I COULD BE PRESIDENT. 584 00:35:01,447 --> 00:35:04,583 PARTICULARLY BECAUSE PEOPLE CONTINUOUSLY ASK HIM WHETHER OR 585 00:35:04,584 --> 00:35:09,20 NOT HE WANTS TO BE THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. 586 00:35:09,21 --> 00:35:11,623 AND HE SHOWS UP IN POLLS THROUGH THE DECADES AGAIN AND 587 00:35:11,625 --> 00:35:15,459 AGAIN NOT BECAUSE HE WAS RUNNING FOR ANYTHING, BUT BECAUSE OF HIS 588 00:35:15,461 --> 00:35:19,63 NAME RECOGNITION PEOPLE PUT HIM ON POLLS AND HE DID VERY WELL. 589 00:35:19,65 --> 00:35:22,366 SO IT KIND OF BUILT. BUT WE WANT TO TURN IT OVER TO 590 00:35:22,368 --> 00:35:25,202 ALL OF YOU TO TAKE YOUR QUESTIONS, SO IF YOU WANT TO 591 00:35:25,204 --> 00:35:28,939 RAISE YOUR HAND, ONE OF THE FOLKS WITH THE MICROPHONES WILL 592 00:35:28,941 --> 00:35:33,844 COME BY AND START -- MA'AM? GO AHEAD, YEP. 593 00:35:33,846 --> 00:35:35,179 COULD YOU DISCUSS HIS PERSONALITY? 594 00:35:35,181 --> 00:35:38,183 WAS HE WARM? DID HE LOOK YOU IN THE EYE? 595 00:35:38,185 --> 00:35:42,386 WAS HE RESERVED? DID YOU SEE HIM WITH MELANIA? 596 00:35:42,388 --> 00:35:43,387 A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HIS PERSONALITY. 597 00:35:43,389 --> 00:35:46,224 SURE. IN OUR INTERVIEWS AT TRUMP 598 00:35:46,226 --> 00:35:49,960 TOWER, THEY WERE IN HIS OFFICE ON THE 26TH FLOOR WITH THIS 599 00:35:49,962 --> 00:35:54,266 GLORIOUS VIEW OF CENTRAL PARK AND FIFTH AVENUE, AND HE WAS 600 00:35:54,268 --> 00:35:59,204 VERY COURTEOUS AND WAS, YOU KNOW, AS I SAID BEFORE, QUITE 601 00:35:59,206 --> 00:36:03,941 GENEROUS WITH HIS TIME. WE NEVER SAW MELANIA. 602 00:36:03,943 --> 00:36:07,11 HIS KIDS WOULD WANDER IN. IVANKA AND ERIC WOULD WANDER IN 603 00:36:07,13 --> 00:36:10,147 FROM TIME TO FROM TIME TO TIME AND TALK WITH 604 00:36:10,149 --> 00:36:14,686 HIM ABOUT A BUSINESS TRIP THEY WERE GOING ON OR A PROBLEM AT 605 00:36:14,687 --> 00:36:17,888 THE PROPERTY IN MIAMI. BUT HE'S VERY SOFT SPOKEN IN 606 00:36:17,890 --> 00:36:22,227 THAT SETTING. YOU GET NONE OF THE BLUSTER THAT 607 00:36:22,229 --> 00:36:25,30 WE'RE FAMILIAR WITH FROM THE RALLIES. 608 00:36:25,31 --> 00:36:27,632 AND HE, ON THE OTHER HAND, IT IS DIFFICULT TO HAVE A LINEAR 609 00:36:27,634 --> 00:36:30,769 CONVERSATION WITH HIM. YOU CAN ASK HIM ABOUT STUFF, AND 610 00:36:30,770 --> 00:36:37,943 HE KNOWS HIS FIELD EXTRAORDINARILY WELL. 611 00:36:37,945 --> 00:36:43,801 IF YOU ASK HIM ABOUT BUSINESS DEALS HE MADE IN 1978, HE WILL 612 00:36:43,802 --> 00:36:56,458 REMEMBER BUILDING MATERIALS AND SUBCONTRACTORS' NAMES AND THE 613 00:36:56,459 --> 00:36:57,624 WHOLE PROCESS OF MAKING, OF WORKING THROUGH A NEGOTIATION. 614 00:36:57,626 --> 00:37:02,971 BUT IF YOU ASK HIM ANYTHING THAT VEERS OFF OF WHAT HE KNOWS BEST, 615 00:37:02,973 --> 00:37:06,551 THE KNOWLEDGE BASE IS VERY THIN, AND HE TENDS TO CHANGE THE TOPIC 616 00:37:06,552 --> 00:37:10,639 VERY QUICKLY, A SENTENCE OR TWO, AND HE'S OFF ON TO SOMETHING 617 00:37:10,641 --> 00:37:14,619 ELSE. HE HAS HIS SORT OF BASE TOPICS 618 00:37:14,621 --> 00:37:17,531 THAT HE GOES BACK TO WHEN HE'S A LITTLE BIT FLUSTERED ABOUT NOT 619 00:37:17,533 --> 00:37:20,124 KNOWING SOMETHING. HE'LL ALL OF A SUDDEN START 620 00:37:20,125 --> 00:37:22,650 TALKING ABOUT HIS TV RATINGS. HE'S -- 621 00:37:22,652 --> 00:37:27,439 THERE WAS ANOTHER THING THAT HE WOULD DO, I SPOKE TO HIM ONLY 622 00:37:27,441 --> 00:37:33,902 ON THE PHONE SEVERAL TIMES. IF HE WAS PRESSED ON SOMETHING, 623 00:37:33,904 --> 00:37:36,538 HE WOULD ALMOST SEEM TO GET CAUGHT IN A GROOVE, AND HE WOULD 624 00:37:36,540 --> 00:37:38,583 REPEAT THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN. 625 00:37:38,585 --> 00:37:40,395 AND SOMETIMES ONE OF MY COLLEAGUES, DREW, WAS ESPECIALLY 626 00:37:40,396 --> 00:37:41,489 ADEPT AT THIS, HE WOULD SORT OF SAY, MR. TRUMP, MR. TRUMP, AND 627 00:37:41,490 --> 00:37:43,54 KIND OF BRING HIM BACK -- [LAUGHTER] 628 00:37:43,56 --> 00:37:45,226 ON COURSE, AND THEN WE'D MOVE ON. 629 00:37:45,228 --> 00:37:47,358 BUT SORT OF JOKING ASIDE, IT WAS REALLY A PRONOUNCED THING TO BE 630 00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:47,243 TALKING WITH SOMEONE WHO SEEMED TO VEER OFF AND GET CAUGHT MANY 631 00:37:47,245 --> 00:37:49,614 A GROOVE. HE'S A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT 632 00:37:49,615 --> 00:37:52,717 PERSON, I THINK, IN PERSON. HE'S REALLY CHARMING, HE'S VERY 633 00:37:52,718 --> 00:37:55,353 NICE, HE KNOWS YOUR NAME, HE LOOKS AT YOU. 634 00:37:55,354 --> 00:37:57,989 I MEAN, EVERYONE SAYS THAT. IT'S NOT THIS BOMBASTIC GUY THAT 635 00:37:57,990 --> 00:38:01,693 YOU SEE ON TV. AND EVERYBODY THAT'S WORKED WITH 636 00:38:01,695 --> 00:38:05,497 HIM OVER THE YEARS SAY I TURN ON THE TV -- I WORKED WITH THIS GUY 637 00:38:05,499 --> 00:38:08,333 FOR 20 YEARS, TURN ON THE TV, I DON'T KNOW WHO THIS IS. 638 00:38:08,334 --> 00:38:13,637 THIS GENTLEMAN HERE. YEP. 639 00:38:13,639 --> 00:38:18,75 MOST OF -- I'M COURTEOUS -- CURIOUS OF THE ASPECTS OF 640 00:38:18,77 --> 00:38:20,979 TRUMP'S LIFE AND THE EXPERIENCES THAT YOU RESEARCHED, WHAT OF THE 641 00:38:20,980 --> 00:38:28,320 CHALLENGES OR SITUATIONS WERE MOST ANALOGOUS TO THE KINDS OF 642 00:38:28,322 --> 00:38:32,290 CHALLENGES A PRESIDENT FACES? AND WHAT CAN WE LEARN FROM 643 00:38:32,291 --> 00:38:36,960 THOSE? I MEAN, YOU'VE, YOUR BOOK HAS 644 00:38:36,962 --> 00:38:41,398 RESEARCHED, AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THE CHANCE TO READ 645 00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:44,835 IT, HOW HE DEALT WITH WOMEN, HOW HE DEALT WITH CELEBRITY, YOU 646 00:38:44,837 --> 00:38:49,440 KNOW, AND BUSINESS DEALS, BUT THIS IS CLEARLY NOT A DIRECT 647 00:38:49,442 --> 00:38:52,444 ANALOGY TO WHAT A PRESIDENT WOULD FACE. 648 00:38:52,446 --> 00:38:56,680 RIGHT. AND SO WHAT CAN WE LEARN ARE, 649 00:38:56,682 --> 00:39:03,554 WHAT IS MOST INSTRUCTIVE IN THIS IN UNDERSTANDING WHAT HE WOULD 650 00:39:03,556 --> 00:39:05,856 BE ACTUALLY LIKE AS A PRESIDENT? MICHAEL? 651 00:39:05,858 --> 00:39:08,259 WELL, YOU KNOW, IT'S A GREAT QUESTION. 652 00:39:08,260 --> 00:39:10,562 AND THE PARALLEL IS WHAT HE DID RUNNING HIS BUSINESSES. 653 00:39:10,563 --> 00:39:12,563 AND NEARLY ALL THE BUSINESSES THAT HE RAN WERE PRIVATE 654 00:39:12,565 --> 00:39:17,402 BUSINESSES. SO THEY'RE DIFFICULT TO EXAMINE 655 00:39:17,404 --> 00:39:21,539 UNTIL YOU GO THROUGH ANCILLARY SOURCES LIKE SAKE KNOW -- CASINO 656 00:39:21,541 --> 00:39:24,476 CONTROL COMMISSION RECORDS WHICH BOB AND OTHER REPORTERS DID, FOR 657 00:39:24,478 --> 00:39:26,577 EXAMPLE. HE DID HAVE SIX CORPORATE 658 00:39:26,579 --> 00:39:29,214 BANKRUPTCIES. HE HAS OFTEN SAID FOUR CORPORATE 659 00:39:29,216 --> 00:39:31,14 BANKRUPTCIES, THIS IS INSTRUCTIVE TO UNDERSTAND HOW HE 660 00:39:31,16 --> 00:39:33,318 THINKS. CLEARLY, THERE WERE SIX. 661 00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:36,520 AND WE ASKED HIM TO EXPLAIN WHEN YOU SAY FOUR, WHAT DO YOU MEAN? 662 00:39:36,522 --> 00:39:38,923 AND HE SAID, WELL, I THINK OF THE THREE CASINOS AS ONE 663 00:39:38,925 --> 00:39:41,525 BANKRUPTCY. IN FACT, THERE WERE THREE 664 00:39:41,527 --> 00:39:44,362 SEPARATE COURT ACTIONS FOR PREPACKAGED BANKRUPTCIES AS 665 00:39:44,364 --> 00:39:48,299 THEY'RE CALLED, AND THERE CLEARLY WERE THREE SEPARATE 666 00:39:48,301 --> 00:39:53,3 ONES, BUT TO HIM, IT'S ONE. PARTLY, HE WANTS TO THE PUT THE 667 00:39:53,5 --> 00:39:57,541 BEST IMAGE OUT THIS. THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION, HE 668 00:39:57,543 --> 00:40:12,229 WAS TOLD BY HIS FATHER DON'T GO DEEPLY IN DEBT, AND HE ENDED UP 669 00:40:12,231 --> 00:40:17,486 GOING INTO JUNK BONDS. HE WAS HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OR 670 00:40:17,488 --> 00:40:19,34 EVEN BILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN DEBT. 671 00:40:19,36 --> 00:40:22,165 TIME AND AGAIN HE THOUGHT HE WAS NOT GOING TO SURVIVE. 672 00:40:22,166 --> 00:40:24,899 WE TALKED TO A PERSON WHO WAS, BASICALLY, GIVEN THE JOB OF 673 00:40:24,901 --> 00:40:28,554 NEGOTIATING WITH BONDHOLDERS AND BANKS, AND THAT PERSON TOLD US 674 00:40:28,556 --> 00:40:30,575 THAT HE WAS VERY CONCERNED. THIS WAS SOMEONE WHO KNEW DONALD 675 00:40:30,577 --> 00:40:31,819 TRUMP AS WELL AS ANYBODY, AND HE WAS VERY CONCERNED ABOUT DONALD 676 00:40:31,821 --> 00:40:35,434 TRUMP AT THIS MOMENT. HE SAID I'M LOOKING AT HIM, IT'S 677 00:40:35,436 --> 00:40:35,479 BANKRUPTCY AFTER BANKRUPTCY. HE'S IN THE MIDST OF A HUGE 678 00:40:35,481 --> 00:40:37,689 DIVORCE. HE'S BEING HUMILIATED DAY AFTER 679 00:40:37,691 --> 00:40:38,250 DAY ON THE FRONT PAGES OF THE NEWSPAPERS, AND I WORRY THAT, 680 00:40:38,252 --> 00:40:40,26 YOU KNOW, HE MIGHT TAKE HIS OWN LIFE. 681 00:40:40,28 --> 00:40:47,909 IT'S A VERY STRIKING STATEMENT FOR SOMEONE WHO ACTUALLY FEELS 682 00:40:47,911 --> 00:40:51,249 AFFECTIONATELY ABOUT DONALD TRUMP. 683 00:40:51,250 --> 00:40:52,739 AND WHAT HE SAID WAS BUT WHEN I WALKED INTO THE OFFICE OF DONALD 684 00:40:52,741 --> 00:40:56,283 TRUMP, THERE HE WAS. HIS SUIT LOOKED PERFECT, HIS TIE 685 00:40:56,285 --> 00:40:57,441 WAS PERFECT AS WELL. AND HE WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, 686 00:40:57,443 --> 00:41:00,207 WHAT'S NEXT? WHAT DO WE DO NEXT? 687 00:41:00,209 --> 00:41:01,399 AND HE HAD THIS ABILITY FOR WHATEVER REASON TO, INSTEAD OF 688 00:41:01,401 --> 00:41:02,510 LOOKING AT, OH, MY GOSH, ALL THESE TERRIBLE PROBLEMS, TO TRY 689 00:41:02,512 --> 00:41:06,737 TO BE THINKING POSITIVELY. ONE OF HIS MENTORS WAS THE POWER 690 00:41:06,739 --> 00:41:07,7 OF POSITIVE THINKING. THAT COULD EITHER MEAN HE'S 691 00:41:07,9 --> 00:41:10,307 DETACHED FROM REALITY IF YOU LOOK AT IT THAT WAY, OR THAT HE 692 00:41:10,309 --> 00:41:12,691 JUST IS SO POSITIVE-ORIENTED THAT HE DOESN'T WANT TO THINK 693 00:41:12,693 --> 00:41:14,885 ABOUT SOME OF THE DEEP PROBLEMS HE HAD. 694 00:41:14,887 --> 00:41:18,89 BUT THE REALITY IS, IS THAT WHILE HE CERTAINLY SAYS HE'S A 695 00:41:18,91 --> 00:41:21,492 GREAT BUSINESS PERSON, THAT HIS BUSINESSES HAD TROUBLE TIME AND 696 00:41:21,494 --> 00:41:24,628 TIME AGAIN. DREW CAN TALK MORE, HE'S HERE IN 697 00:41:24,630 --> 00:41:27,531 THE AUDIENCE, A REPORTER WHO WORKED ON THIS. 698 00:41:27,533 --> 00:41:30,667 BUT HE HAD A PUBLIC COMPANY AT ONE POINT, ONE TIME ONLY, 699 00:41:30,669 --> 00:41:32,770 BECAUSE HE HAD TO RAISE A LOT OF CAPITAL. 700 00:41:32,771 --> 00:41:37,407 AND THAT COMPANY DID DO WELL AT FIRST, IT PAID DONALD TRUMP 701 00:41:37,409 --> 00:41:39,310 MILLIONS OF DOLLARS, DJT FOR HIS INITIALS. 702 00:41:39,312 --> 00:41:43,647 BUT THE STOCK PRICE WENT FROM SOMETHING LIKE $35 TO 17 CENTS, 703 00:41:43,649 --> 00:41:52,678 AND THE SHAREHOLDERS WERE VERY ANGRY, THERE WERE LAWSUITS FILED 704 00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:56,766 THAT WE WRITE ABOUT. BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT 705 00:41:56,768 --> 00:41:59,31 TRUMP WAS ABLE TO SURVIVE. IT'S ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF BEING AT 706 00:41:59,33 --> 00:42:02,976 THE ABSOLUTE DEPTHS AND FINDING A WAY FOR HIMSELF TO SURVIVE. 707 00:42:02,978 --> 00:42:04,361 AND THIS IS INSTRUCTIVE. THIS IS, YOU KNOW, DONALD TRUMP 708 00:42:04,363 --> 00:42:05,668 VIEWS IT AS, YOU KNOW, I AM THERE. 709 00:42:05,670 --> 00:42:07,424 HIS WORDS ARE I'M A ONE-MAN ARMY. 710 00:42:07,426 --> 00:42:10,73 AND HE TALKED IN ONE OF HIS BOOKS ABOUT THE POWER OF 711 00:42:10,75 --> 00:42:12,110 NARCISSISM, FOR EXAMPLE. HE CITED A BOOK BY THAT NAME, 712 00:42:12,112 --> 00:42:15,94 AND HE SAID IT'S A VERY POWERFUL THING. 713 00:42:15,96 --> 00:42:17,649 IF YOU WANT TO BE SUCCESSFUL, YOU HAVE TO THINK IN THAT SORT 714 00:42:17,651 --> 00:42:19,884 OF TUNNEL VISION WAY ONLY ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT YOU DO SURVIVE. 715 00:42:19,885 --> 00:42:23,887 AND ANOTHER ONE OF HIS POINTS IN THE BOOK, THINK LIKE A 716 00:42:23,889 --> 00:42:27,491 BILLIONAIRE, HE ADVISE ARES THAT YOU HAVE A, QUOTE, SHORT 717 00:42:27,493 --> 00:42:31,895 ATTENTION SPAN, UNQUOTE. SO EITHER HE SEES THAT AS AN 718 00:42:31,897 --> 00:42:35,232 ATTRIBUTE OR HE KNOWS HE HAS THIS PARTICULAR DISPOSITION, AND 719 00:42:35,234 --> 00:42:37,135 HE TRIES TO PUT IT IN THE MOST POSITIVE WAY. 720 00:42:37,136 --> 00:42:40,170 BUT EXAMINING THAT BUSINESS CAREER AND SEEING, YOU KNOW, AS 721 00:42:40,172 --> 00:42:43,875 WE TRY TO DO IN BOOK, YOU KNOW, THE PEAKS AND THE VALLEYS AND 722 00:42:43,876 --> 00:42:47,711 EXACT ARELY HOW HE'S OPERATED, IT SEEMS TO BE THE BEST GUIDE 723 00:42:47,713 --> 00:42:49,414 FOR HOW HE MIGHT TRY TO OPERATE AS -- 724 00:42:49,416 --> 00:42:50,715 ONE HUGE QUESTION COMES UP THERE. 725 00:42:50,717 --> 00:42:54,52 HE IS THE FIRST PRESIDENT WHO HAS A LOT OF FOREIGN HOLDINGS AS 726 00:42:54,53 --> 00:42:56,354 PEOPLE LOOK AT HIS FOREIGN POLICY, YOU KNOW? 727 00:42:56,355 --> 00:43:00,190 HE'S EXPANDING ABROAD. KEVIN SULLIVAN IS HERE, WENT TO 728 00:43:00,192 --> 00:43:07,178 ASKER AZERBAIJAN. 729 00:43:07,180 --> 00:43:15,364 WE HAD REPORTERS LOOKING AT HIS DEALINGS IN MOSCOW, IN PANAMA, 730 00:43:15,366 --> 00:43:18,626 AND WE'VE NEVER HAD ANYBODY WHO WOULD BE IN THE WHITE HOUSE WHO 731 00:43:18,628 --> 00:43:20,194 HAS THEIR GLOBAL BUSINESS EMPIRE. 732 00:43:20,196 --> 00:43:21,295 AND SO YOUR GOOD QUESTION IS HOW WOULD THIS WORK? 733 00:43:21,297 --> 00:43:23,209 IS HE GOING TO DIVEST, AND IS IT ENOUGH TO DIVEST HIMSELF? 734 00:43:23,211 --> 00:43:24,552 IS THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION WITH THE KIDS? 735 00:43:24,554 --> 00:43:25,471 I MEAN, THE VALUE GOES UP OF HIS HOLDINGS ALL AROUND THE WORLD. 736 00:43:25,473 --> 00:43:27,417 AND HE IS INCREASING HIS WORLDWIDE HOLDINGS. 737 00:43:27,419 --> 00:43:29,454 IT GOES UP IF HE'S IN THE WHITE HOUSE. 738 00:43:29,456 --> 00:43:34,157 YOU KNOW, IF YOU THINK ABOUT WHAT DO PRESIDENTS DO, THEY 739 00:43:34,159 --> 00:43:37,195 SYNTHESIZE INFORMATION AND COME TO DECISIONS. 740 00:43:37,197 --> 00:43:41,398 THEY PERSUADE PEOPLE OF THEIR POSITIONS, AND THEY HAVE A 741 00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:44,835 PROGRAM OF SOME KIND. WELL, DONALD TRUMP IS NOT 742 00:43:44,837 --> 00:43:47,839 SOMEONE WHO TAKES IN INFORMATION VERY DEEPLY. 743 00:43:47,841 --> 00:43:51,775 WE ASKED HIM ABOUT HOW HE MAKES DECISIONS, WHAT HE READS, AND HE 744 00:43:51,777 --> 00:43:54,878 SAYS HE DOESN'T READ REPORTS OR BRIEFINGS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. 745 00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:58,82 HE DOESN'T LIKE TO READ ANYTHING OF ANY LENGTH. 746 00:43:58,83 --> 00:44:01,686 HE BELIEVES THAT HE COMES TO DECISIONS BY GUT, BY STINT. 747 00:44:01,687 --> 00:44:04,922 INSTINCT. SO HE VERY MUCH WANTS PEOPLE TO 748 00:44:04,924 --> 00:44:07,157 COME IN AND TELL HIM ABOUT SOMETHING ORALLY, AND HE 749 00:44:07,159 --> 00:44:09,560 BELIEVES THAT HE WILL GET THE NUB OF IT IN A MATTER OF 750 00:44:09,562 --> 00:44:13,131 SECONDS. HE'S, OBVIOUSLY, VERY GOOD AT 751 00:44:13,133 --> 00:44:17,101 PERSUADING PEOPLE THAT HE KNOWS A WAY FORWARD. 752 00:44:17,103 --> 00:44:21,506 BUT WHEN ET COMES TO PERSUADING PEOPLE INDIVIDUALLY IN THE WAY 753 00:44:21,508 --> 00:44:24,342 THAT A PRESIDENT HAS TO TO FORM COALITIONS AND ACHIEVE 754 00:44:24,343 --> 00:44:27,177 COMPROMISES, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT HE'S DONE VERY LITTLE OF IN 755 00:44:27,179 --> 00:44:30,480 HIS CAREER. HE TALKS ABOUT BEING A GREAT 756 00:44:30,482 --> 00:44:34,318 NEGOTIATOR, AND WE'VE CERTAINLY SPOKEN TO SOME OF HIS BUSINESS 757 00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:37,622 ASSOCIATES WHO CREDIT HIM FOR THAT, BUT WE'VE ALSO SPOKEN TO A 758 00:44:37,624 --> 00:44:42,959 LOT OF PEOPLE WHO WORKED WITH HIM WHO SAY THAT HE'S ALL ABOUT 759 00:44:42,961 --> 00:44:48,499 GETTING HIS WAY, AND HE'S NOT ONE TO REACH COMPROMISES. 760 00:44:48,500 --> 00:44:54,906 YES, OVER HERE. GO AHEAD. 761 00:44:54,907 --> 00:45:03,480 NO, RIGHT HERE. I JUST WONDER, HIS STRONG 762 00:45:03,482 --> 00:45:06,384 ANTI-MEXICAN NARRATIVE IN THIS CAMPAIGN WHICH HAS PRETTY MUCH 763 00:45:06,385 --> 00:45:11,122 DEFINED THE CAMPAIGN, WHERE DOES IT COME FROM? 764 00:45:11,124 --> 00:45:16,126 AND DID YOU HAVE PEOPLE IN MEXICO RESEARCHING OR LOOKING 765 00:45:16,128 --> 00:45:18,261 INTO HIS DEALS THERE? COULD IT COME FROM HIS 766 00:45:18,263 --> 00:45:20,965 FRUSTRATION? APPARENTLY, HE DIDN'T DO VERY 767 00:45:20,967 --> 00:45:25,1 WELL DOWN THERE? WELL, I WAS THE BUREAU CHIEF 768 00:45:25,3 --> 00:45:27,905 IN MEXICO FOR FIVE YEARS WITH MY HUSBAND, KEN SULLIVAN, AND WE 769 00:45:27,906 --> 00:45:32,843 WENT TO INTERVIEW THE LAST TWO PRESIDENTS TO TALK ABOUT THIS. 770 00:45:32,845 --> 00:45:36,646 PRESIDENTS FOX AND CALDERON. AND AS FAR AS WE CAN TELL -- AND 771 00:45:36,648 --> 00:45:40,184 ESPECIALLY HAVING BEEN AT RALLIES, IT COMES FROM A LOT OF 772 00:45:40,186 --> 00:45:44,288 PEOPLE IN AMERICA LIKE WHAT HE HAS TO SAY, AND HE KNOWS THAT. 773 00:45:44,290 --> 00:45:48,325 HE GETS REINFORCED EVERY DAY. IT MAY BE THE MOST POPULIST 774 00:45:48,327 --> 00:45:51,229 THING THAT HE SAYS. THERE'S NO HINT THAT HE'S 775 00:45:51,230 --> 00:45:56,566 ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, NOT LIKED MEXICO OR ANYTHING. 776 00:45:56,568 --> 00:46:02,406 HIS GIFT IS THAT HE IS SAYING -- THIS IS WHAT WE KEEP HEARING AT 777 00:46:02,407 --> 00:46:06,611 RALLIES AND TALKING TO MILLIONS OF AMERICANS, THEY'RE FED UP. 778 00:46:06,613 --> 00:46:09,346 AND HE SAYS, AND HE'LL TELL YOU THAT IN INTERVIEWS, THAT HE'S A 779 00:46:09,348 --> 00:46:13,150 REFLECTION OF WHAT PEOPLE WANT. YOU KNOW, HE THINKS THAT OUR 780 00:46:13,152 --> 00:46:17,888 IMMIGRATION POLICIES HAVE BEEN WRONG. 781 00:46:17,890 --> 00:46:20,690 TO AMPLIFY THAT, I THINK ONE THING THAT'S A SAFE BET WITH 782 00:46:20,692 --> 00:46:23,927 DONALD TRUMP -- ALTHOUGH WE CAN'T BE SURE OF IT -- IS THAT 783 00:46:23,929 --> 00:46:27,931 HE'S ACTUALLY THE EMBODIMENT OF A POPULIST POLITICIAN, AND WE'VE 784 00:46:27,933 --> 00:46:31,569 HAD A HISTORY OF THOSE GOING BACK 200-PLUS YEARS. 785 00:46:31,571 --> 00:46:33,905 AND THEY EMERGE PERIOD CREATE, AND THE PATTERNS ARE VERY 786 00:46:33,906 --> 00:46:35,739 SIMILAR. THEY SAY WHAT PEOPLE WANT TO 787 00:46:35,741 --> 00:46:39,709 HEAR. THEY TRY TO, THEY TRY TO APPEAL 788 00:46:39,711 --> 00:46:43,313 TO PEOPLE'S ANGER AND FRUSTRATION, AND IT'S POSSIBLE 789 00:46:43,315 --> 00:46:48,451 THAT DONALD TRUMP DOESN'T HAVE ANY ANIMUS TOWARDS MEXICANS AND 790 00:46:48,453 --> 00:46:51,354 THAT HE'S ONLY PLAYING THE CARDS THAT HE SEES ARE OUT THERE FOR 791 00:46:51,356 --> 00:46:54,725 HIM TO PLAY WITH. .. 792 00:46:54,727 --> 00:47:33,831 HE WAS CONSIDERING RUNNING AS A THIRD-PARTY CANDIDATE AGAINST 793 00:47:33,833 --> 00:47:40,538 PAT BUCHANAN. THE REASON HE DID BETTER IS HE 794 00:47:40,540 --> 00:47:45,275 WAS ALL ABOUT INCLUSIVENESS. HE DID NOT LIKE THE WAY PAT 795 00:47:45,277 --> 00:47:47,111 BUCHANAN SPOKE ABOUT PEOPLE INCLUDING JEWS, BLACKS, GAYS AND 796 00:47:47,113 --> 00:47:51,215 MEXICANS. WHAT WE ARE SEEING NOW WHEN YOU 797 00:47:51,217 --> 00:47:54,652 GO TO THE RALLIES AND YOU EXPERIENCE THAT, AND HE SAID IT 798 00:47:54,654 --> 00:47:59,957 HIMSELF, WHEN THE CROWD GETS LOW, HE LOVES TO BRING OUT THE 799 00:47:59,958 --> 00:48:03,995 ISSUE OF WHO'S GOING TO BUILD THE WALL BECAUSE THE CROWDS GO 800 00:48:03,997 --> 00:48:08,198 NUTS. IT'S A WAY TO ADD SOMETHING TO 801 00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:13,537 THE POLITICAL PERSPECTIVE THAT SOMETHING CAN UNDERSTAND. 802 00:48:13,539 --> 00:48:18,775 FOR HIM THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT. IN FACT, HE SPOKE TO A NUMBER OF 803 00:48:18,777 --> 00:48:22,580 PEOPLE WHO ARE TALKING TO HIM ABOUT THE DECISION TO RUN FOR 804 00:48:22,582 --> 00:48:25,115 PRESIDENT. WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE ISSUES 805 00:48:25,117 --> 00:48:27,318 THAT WERE REALLY IMPORTANT TO HIM, THE RELATIONSHIP WITH 806 00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:30,354 MEXICO DIDN'T REALLY COME UP. IN FACT, A A NUMBER OF THEM WERE 807 00:48:30,355 --> 00:48:34,658 A SURPRISE. HE MADE ALLUSIONS TO RACIST AND 808 00:48:34,660 --> 00:48:37,61 CRIMINAL TALKS IN THE FIRST SPEECH. 809 00:48:37,62 --> 00:48:42,99 ONE OF THE PEOPLE WE SPOKE TO WHO IS CLOSEST WITH TRUMP GAVE 810 00:48:42,101 --> 00:48:45,502 US SOME GUIDANCE AND SAID WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HIS 811 00:48:45,504 --> 00:48:55,879 MOTIVES, ALWAYS GO FIRST TO THE FACT THAT HE THINKS OF HIMSELF 812 00:48:55,881 --> 00:49:05,722 AS A SHOWMAN AND HE WANTS TO GET AFFIRMATION FROM THE CROWD. 813 00:49:05,724 --> 00:49:07,258 AND WHEN ASKED ABOUT SOMETHING THAT'S IMPORTANT WITH 814 00:49:07,260 --> 00:49:10,61 THE PRESIDENT AND THAT IS HIS TEMPER. 815 00:49:10,62 --> 00:49:15,967 I WANT TO LET YOU KNOW, IN THE 80S AND EARLY '90S I WAS IN 816 00:49:15,968 --> 00:49:18,535 CHARGE OF PROMOTING ATLANTIC CITY SO I HAVE SOME KNOWLEDGE 817 00:49:18,537 --> 00:49:23,541 ABOUT THIS. WHEN DONALD TRUMP SAW AN ARTICLE 818 00:49:23,542 --> 00:49:27,43 IN THE ATLANTIC CITY PRESS OR AN EDITORIAL, HE PULLED THE 819 00:49:27,45 --> 00:49:33,884 NEWSPAPER OFF THE NEWSSTAND AND ALL OF HIS HOTELS AND ATLANTIC 820 00:49:33,885 --> 00:49:40,725 CITY MAGAZINE WHICH HE OWNED. HE STOPPED PAYING THE DUES WHICH 821 00:49:40,727 --> 00:49:44,228 WAS 25% OF THE BUDGET. I ALWAYS THINK OF HIM IS 822 00:49:44,229 --> 00:49:46,763 PETULANT. I WAS WONDERING IF YOU FOUND IN 823 00:49:46,765 --> 00:49:51,868 YOUR RESEARCH ANYTHING THAT WOULD GIVE YOU SOME GUIDANCE AS 824 00:49:51,870 --> 00:49:56,406 TO WHAT HIS TEMPER WILL BE LIKE IF HE GETS ELECTED. 825 00:49:56,408 --> 00:50:04,749 HE HAS SAID MANY TIMES, I CAN BE A SCREAMER. 826 00:50:04,750 --> 00:50:10,488 I WAS TALKING ABOUT JOHN O'DONNELL WHO WROTE A BOOK ABOUT 827 00:50:10,489 --> 00:50:15,426 TRUMP AND HE CITES THESE TEMPER ISSUES AND TEMPERAMENT ISSUES. 828 00:50:15,427 --> 00:50:22,466 DONALD GOT SO FRUSTRATED WITH THIS THAT HE ENDED UP QUITTING. 829 00:50:22,468 --> 00:50:28,304 I ASKED TRUMP ABOUT THIS AND HE SAID JACK O'DONNELL DIDN'T QUIT, 830 00:50:28,306 --> 00:50:31,809 I FIRED HIM SO WE WENT BACK AND FORTH BREAD YOU HEAR THAT FROM A 831 00:50:31,811 --> 00:50:35,946 NUMBER OF PEOPLE AND TRUMP HIMSELF SAID HE WAS A SCREAMER. 832 00:50:35,947 --> 00:50:43,687 THOSE ARE HIS OWN WORDS. HOW WOULD THAT REFLECT, DONALD 833 00:50:43,688 --> 00:50:51,327 TRUMP AND HIS FATHER FRED TRUMP IN 1973, THEY ADVISED DONALD 834 00:50:51,329 --> 00:50:54,131 TRUMP, WHEN YOU'RE HIT, HIT BACK HARDER. 835 00:50:54,133 --> 00:51:00,970 THAT IS THE ROOT OF HIS PERSONALITY TO A GREAT DEGREE HE 836 00:51:00,972 --> 00:51:11,948 SETTLED THAT CASE EVENTUALLY BUT HE HAS ENDUED THAT PHILOSOPHY. 837 00:51:11,950 --> 00:51:14,150 HE SETTLED THE CASE ONLY AFTER DRAGGING IT OUT AND 838 00:51:14,152 --> 00:51:25,329 ATTACKING VICIOUSLY THE PROSECUTOR AND THAT'S AN ASPECT 839 00:51:25,331 --> 00:51:33,670 THAT HE IS VERY OPEN ABOUT WANTING TO PUNISH PEOPLE WHO, AS 840 00:51:33,672 --> 00:51:35,772 HE SAYS, VICIOUSLY ATTACKED ME. A LOT OF POLITICIANS WANT 841 00:51:35,774 --> 00:51:39,977 PAYBACK TO COME NOW OR LATER SO HE IS FIXING TO THAT MOLD. 842 00:51:39,979 --> 00:51:41,711 IT'S WORTH NOTING THAT A LOT OF AMERICANS FIND THIS 843 00:51:41,713 --> 00:51:47,450 APPEALING. AGAIN, I THINK THERE ARE A LOT 844 00:51:47,452 --> 00:51:53,290 OF PEOPLE THAT THINK WHEN HE'S HIT, HE'S GOING TO HIT TENS 845 00:51:53,291 --> 00:51:55,593 TIMES HARDER AND THAT'S WHAT HE'S GOING TO DO OUT THERE, THEY 846 00:51:55,594 --> 00:52:00,498 LIKE HIS CONFIDENCE AND HE IS CLEARLY FEEDING OFF AN ENORMOUS 847 00:52:00,500 --> 00:52:05,835 AMOUNT OF AMERICANS WHO LIKE WHAT THEY SEE ON TV. 848 00:52:05,837 --> 00:52:08,172 THAT AUDACIOUS ATTITUDE IS SOMETHING THAT WE TRACE IN THE 849 00:52:08,174 --> 00:52:09,373 BOOK ALL THE WAY BACK TO HIS CHILDHOOD. 850 00:52:09,375 --> 00:52:14,878 THERE'S A NUMBER OF EXAMPLES GOING BACK TO ELEMENTARY SCHOOL 851 00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:41,38 OF THAT BEHAVIOR. [INAUDIBLE] 852 00:52:41,40 --> 00:52:50,381 MY QUESTION IS, WHICH IS VERY SCARY TO ME, AFTER 2000 THE 853 00:52:50,383 --> 00:52:56,20 PRESS SAID THEY WENT DOWN ON THE JOB, NOT GOING AFTER BUSH'S 854 00:52:56,21 --> 00:53:04,460 MOTIVES FOR GOING INTO IRAQ. IT WASN'T UNTIL A DAY OR TWO AGO 855 00:53:04,462 --> 00:53:11,602 I HAVE SEEN THE PRESS BEGIN TO SAY THIS ISN'T TRUE. 856 00:53:11,604 --> 00:53:15,39 NOT REALLY REPORT ON WHAT HE IS SAYING BUT SOME JUST ABYSS 857 00:53:15,41 --> 00:53:22,378 DISPOSITION OF IT. AFTER HE CONFRONTED, I'M VERY 858 00:53:22,380 --> 00:53:26,583 SCARED ABOUT VOTERS WHO, AS YOU SAID, BUT THEIR PASSION, THEY 859 00:53:26,585 --> 00:53:30,621 LIKE THAT WHAT THEY HEAR BUT MY CREDO IS, LET'S GET THE FACTS 860 00:53:30,623 --> 00:53:37,27 ARGUE ABOUT CONCLUSION. WHAT IS THE PRESS TO HOLD HIM 861 00:53:37,29 --> 00:53:40,864 ACCOUNTABLE. I'M NOT TO TALK ABOUT THE 862 00:53:40,865 --> 00:53:47,204 WASHINGTON POST, TO HOLD HIM ACCOUNTABLE AND SAY YOU CAN'T 863 00:53:47,206 --> 00:53:56,45 MAKE THESE ALLEGATIONS. I'D SAY EVERY WACO WE GET A 864 00:53:56,47 --> 00:54:03,687 QUESTION ABOUT THE SENSE THAT MANY PEOPLE HAVE THAT THERE IS 865 00:54:03,688 --> 00:54:05,789 NONE AGGRESSIVE COVERAGE DONALD TRUMP. 866 00:54:05,791 --> 00:54:09,727 ASK A QUESTION ABOUT HILLARY CLINTON. 867 00:54:09,729 --> 00:54:15,666 YES I THINK THE RECORDING THAT WENT INTO THIS BOOK ALSO SAID 868 00:54:15,667 --> 00:54:23,573 SOME OF THE 30 MAJOR STORIES THAT APPEARED AND THERE IS GREAT 869 00:54:23,575 --> 00:54:25,908 DETAIL AND PUSHING BACK AGAINST HIS OWN NARRATIVE AND VERSION OF 870 00:54:25,910 --> 00:54:28,344 HIS LIFE AND SUCCESSES AND CAREER. 871 00:54:28,346 --> 00:54:31,648 YOU'RE RIGHT, THERE ARE OTHER ASPECTS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN AS 872 00:54:31,650 --> 00:54:36,987 AGGRESSIVE IN DOING THE REPORTING THAT WE THINK IS OUR 873 00:54:36,989 --> 00:54:44,528 OBLIGATION IN THE PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN SO, THERE ARE REAL 874 00:54:44,530 --> 00:54:50,366 QUESTIONS TO BE ASKED ABOUT GETTING OVER VAST STRETCHES OF 875 00:54:50,368 --> 00:54:55,906 TIME TO RUNNING HIS VALLEYS AND SO ON, MORE TIME WAS GIVEN TO 876 00:54:55,907 --> 00:55:00,778 OTHER CANDIDATES. WE CAN'T CONTROL WHAT THEY DO, 877 00:55:00,780 --> 00:55:05,948 THIS WAS OUR OBLIGATION TO REPORT AND COMMIT THEM ENORMOUS 878 00:55:05,950 --> 00:55:10,187 RESOURCES TO THIS BOOK AND THE STORIES THAT APPEAR THE PAPER 879 00:55:10,188 --> 00:55:17,194 WILL CONTINUE TO APPEAR IN THE POST. 880 00:55:17,196 --> 00:55:19,530 TRUMP HATES WHAT WE WRITE, WE HAVE A FACT FACT CHECKER 881 00:55:19,531 --> 00:55:23,967 FULL-TIME, WE'VE HAD ALL THESE BIG STORIES, BUT IT IS A KEY 882 00:55:23,968 --> 00:55:27,170 QUESTION. I THINK THE DEBATE AND STRONG 883 00:55:27,172 --> 00:55:29,673 MODERATING IN THE UPCOMING DEBATE IS ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL 884 00:55:29,675 --> 00:55:31,774 BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT EVERYBODY'S WATCHING. 885 00:55:31,776 --> 00:55:37,313 PEOPLE LOOK AT ONE STORY AND THEN I'LL SAY WHY ENERGY GOING 886 00:55:37,315 --> 00:55:42,251 AFTER DONALD TRUMP. THEN I'LL SAY THIS. 887 00:55:42,253 --> 00:55:47,91 THE DEBATES ARE BOTH THERE AND IT'S GOING TO DEPEND A LOT ON 888 00:55:47,93 --> 00:55:50,93 THE MODERATOR. JUST BE CLEAR, HE, HE MADE 889 00:55:50,95 --> 00:55:57,134 THE IDEA THAT HASN'T BEEN TALKED ABOUT IN THE LAST COUPLE DAYS. 890 00:55:57,135 --> 00:56:01,471 MANY TIMES THE FACT CHECKER, THEY DO EXTRAORDINARY WORK AND 891 00:56:01,473 --> 00:56:05,175 CHECK EVERYTHING IN ALMOST REAL-TIME AND THERE'S A STORY UP 892 00:56:05,177 --> 00:56:08,378 TODAY THAT BASICALLY THEY WENT OVER AGAIN WHAT DONALD TRUMP 893 00:56:08,380 --> 00:56:10,914 SAID. HE SAID I WAS AGAINST THE WAR 894 00:56:10,916 --> 00:56:15,718 FROM THE BEGINNING WHEN IN FACT EVERY FACT CHECK HAS SHOWN 895 00:56:15,720 --> 00:56:20,958 THAT'S NOT THE CASE. EVERY TIME THAT STATEMENT IS 896 00:56:20,959 --> 00:56:23,894 MADE, THE FACT FACT CHECKER PUTS THINGS OUT, THEY KNOW THAT'S NOT 897 00:56:23,895 --> 00:56:34,837 ACTUALLY CORRECT. DO YOU THINK HE MEANS WHAT HE 898 00:56:34,839 --> 00:56:36,739 SAYS OR IS THAT ALL PART THE SHOW. 899 00:56:36,741 --> 00:56:42,879 IT DEPENDS WHAT HE'S SAYING. IT'S HARD TO BELIEVE IN TALKING 900 00:56:42,881 --> 00:56:45,82 TO HIM THAT HE MEANS WHAT HE SAYS. 901 00:56:45,83 --> 00:56:47,417 I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THERE IS AN ACCURACY 902 00:56:47,419 --> 00:56:51,754 QUESTION AND THERE'S AN HONESTY QUESTION AND SO MANY PEOPLE WHO 903 00:56:51,756 --> 00:56:57,660 SUPPORT DONALD TRUMP, IT'S NOT SO MUCH THE FACT THAT THE 904 00:56:57,662 --> 00:57:01,97 GENUINE PASSION THAT HE ELICITS WHEN HE SPEAKING. 905 00:57:01,99 --> 00:57:07,704 I THINK IT'S A IMPORTANT DISTINCTION TO MAKE MAKE AND 906 00:57:07,706 --> 00:57:09,739 ACKNOWLEDGE. THE FACT THAT HE GETS UP THERE 907 00:57:09,741 --> 00:57:12,775 AND HE SAYS SOMETHING THAT ALIGNS WITH PEOPLE. 908 00:57:12,777 --> 00:57:20,517 FOR THOSE WHO FEEL THAT THEY HAVE DISENFRANCHISED THEIR IDEA 909 00:57:20,519 --> 00:57:27,190 OF HOW A POLITICAL LEADER SHOULD OPERATE AND WHAT THEIR IDEAS 910 00:57:27,192 --> 00:57:29,158 SHOULD BE. ONE THING THAT'S BEEN SO 911 00:57:29,160 --> 00:57:31,160 IMPORTANT FOR HIS CANDIDACY IS THAT SKILL IS ONE SKILL THAT 912 00:57:31,162 --> 00:57:35,799 HILLARY CLINTON REALLY STRUGGLES WITH. 913 00:57:35,801 --> 00:57:41,104 I THINK WE NEED TALK ABOUT THIS GENUINE QUESTION, A LOT OF 914 00:57:41,105 --> 00:57:51,882 VOTERS ARE WONDERING IF THERE GENUINELY LISTENING. 915 00:57:51,884 --> 00:58:00,123 I AM IMPRESSED WITH HOW MANY OF OUR INSTITUTIONS ARE BEING 916 00:58:00,125 --> 00:58:09,967 PRIVATIZED AND I SEE THIS AS POTENTIALLY GIVING OTHER PEOPLE 917 00:58:09,968 --> 00:58:15,706 ASPIRATIONS TO ENTER INTO A POWER STRUCTURE AND GIVE THEM 918 00:58:15,708 --> 00:58:20,343 THE CHANCE. ARE WE TALKING TO A DAY WHERE WE 919 00:58:20,345 --> 00:58:33,724 ARE GOING TO PROFIT FROM MANY IN OUR POLITICAL SYSTEM. 920 00:58:33,726 --> 00:58:38,761 I'M OUT THERE AND TALKING TO VOTERS A LOT. 921 00:58:38,763 --> 00:58:43,467 I THINK IN SOME SENSE, YES, PEOPLE HAVE BEEN DRAWN, IT SEEMS 922 00:58:43,468 --> 00:58:52,9 SO FAR AGO BUT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT BERNIE SANDERS AND THE 923 00:58:52,10 --> 00:58:53,843 IMPACT HE WAS HAVING ON THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IN THAT 924 00:58:53,845 --> 00:58:58,215 PROCESS. WE'VE SEEN A LOT OF PEOPLE ENTER 925 00:58:58,217 --> 00:59:02,84 INTO THE TWO-PARTY SYSTEM AND THAT WILL CHANGE WHO PEOPLE PICK 926 00:59:02,86 --> 00:59:15,731 AND HOW THEY PERFORM IN THEIR VOTE. 927 00:59:15,733 --> 00:59:20,270 A LOT OF PEOPLE SEEM TO SAY, THERE'S CHECKS AND BALANCES, 928 00:59:20,271 --> 00:59:23,906 HE'S NOT REALLY GOING TO DO WHAT HE SAYS HE'S GOING TO DO, WHAT 929 00:59:23,908 --> 00:59:30,947 REASON DO WE THINK, WITH THE FORCES THAT HE HAS UNLEASHED AND 930 00:59:30,949 --> 00:59:35,52 THE LEGITIMACY BY THE ATTENTION GIVEN TO THE RACE AND BIGOTRY 931 00:59:35,53 --> 00:59:40,690 AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT FORCES HAVE BEEN UNLEASHED AND THE 932 00:59:40,692 --> 00:59:49,231 CHECKS AND BALANCES WE THINK EXIST MAYBE WON'T EXIST. 933 00:59:49,233 --> 01:00:00,543 I SAW THEM GETTING INVOLVED, AT WHAT POINT DO WE BECOME CLOSE TO 934 01:00:00,545 --> 01:00:07,783 A BANANA REPUBLIC? AT WHAT POINT ARE WE GONNA SAY 935 01:00:07,785 --> 01:00:10,454 HE REALLY DOESN'T MEAN IT. DOESN'T MATTER IF HE REALLY 936 01:00:10,456 --> 01:00:12,855 DOESN'T MEAN IT IF HE IS REALLY ABOUT POWER AND THE FORCES THAT 937 01:00:12,857 --> 01:00:15,559 HE HAS UNLEASHED BECOME BIGGER THAN HIM AND YOU HAVE THE ESSAY 938 01:00:15,561 --> 01:00:21,31 OUT THERE. I'VE HEARD THIS SO MANY TIMES 939 01:00:21,32 --> 01:00:26,168 IT'S REALLY JUST A PRESIDENCY. THEY'RE NOT KIDDING. 940 01:00:26,170 --> 01:00:30,874 THEY SAY LOOK AT WASHINGTON. LOOK AT CONGRESS. 941 01:00:30,875 --> 01:00:34,577 REALLY NOT MUCH GET DONE. IT'S AN IMAGE BUT HE'S A STRONG 942 01:00:34,579 --> 01:00:36,113 GUY AND HE'S NOT THE SAME OLD THING. 943 01:00:36,114 --> 01:00:39,416 THAT'S WHAT THEY ARE ELECTING IN FOR SOME AMAZING REASON, WE 944 01:00:39,417 --> 01:00:44,387 STARTED READING OF STORY ABOUT THE PRESIDENT DOES HAVE A LOT OF 945 01:00:44,389 --> 01:00:46,590 POWER. IT SEEMS SO OBVIOUS BUT THEY CAN 946 01:00:46,592 --> 01:00:52,94 GET US INTO A LOT OF TROUBLE VERY QUICKLY. 947 01:00:52,96 --> 01:00:53,462 WE SHOULD KEEP WRITING THAT BECAUSE THAT SEDIMENT IS OUT 948 01:00:53,464 --> 01:00:56,933 THERE. EVEN MORE THAN THAT, THEY WILL 949 01:00:56,935 --> 01:01:02,471 TALK TO PEOPLE AND THEY'LL SAY YOU SUPPORT THE MUSLIM BAN, BUT 950 01:01:02,473 --> 01:01:06,610 HOW WOULD THAT WORK EXACTLY. THEN YOU START TALKING ABOUT THE 951 01:01:06,612 --> 01:01:08,478 MONEY AND HOW IT WORKS AND THEY SAY WELL WE DON'T THINK HE'S 952 01:01:08,479 --> 01:01:10,312 REALLY GONNA DO THAT. IT'S IT'S JUST LIKE HE'S GOING 953 01:01:10,314 --> 01:01:14,316 TO BE STRONG AGAINST IT AND HE'LL BE THINKING ABOUT HOW HE 954 01:01:14,318 --> 01:01:16,520 WANTS TO KEEP THAT. SEEM AT THE WALL. 955 01:01:16,521 --> 01:01:19,55 YOU'RE LIKELY TO MINUTE, IT'S 2000 MILES. 956 01:01:19,57 --> 01:01:24,561 HOW MUCH MONEY WITH THAT COST. HE'S GETTING THE BENEFIT BECAUSE 957 01:01:24,562 --> 01:01:31,935 PEOPLE WANT HIM TO SAY IT AND THEY SHOUT AT THE RALLIES. 958 01:01:31,937 --> 01:01:35,337 IT'S THE SENTIMENT, IT'S THAT HE WANTS TO. 959 01:01:35,339 --> 01:01:39,542 HE IS TELLING US, I HEAR YOU, YOU'RE FED UP WITH ALL THE 960 01:01:39,544 --> 01:01:43,179 IMMIGRATION AND A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO THINK THAT NAFTA WAS BAD AND 961 01:01:43,181 --> 01:01:53,656 TOOK THEIR JOBS SO HE'S JUST BETTER THAN HIS OPPONENTS KIND 962 01:01:53,658 --> 01:01:54,857 OF CONNECTING WITH PEOPLE THROUGH TV. 963 01:01:54,859 --> 01:01:58,461 THERE'S ANOTHER ASPECT TO YOUR QUESTION. 964 01:01:58,463 --> 01:02:03,399 IT COMES FROM THE WORD UNLEASHED I'VE HAD THIS IN THE BACK OF MY 965 01:02:03,401 --> 01:02:05,0 MIND FOR A LONG TIME, BEFORE THE ELECTION, BUT IT'S REALLY COMING 966 01:02:05,2 --> 01:02:08,304 TO A PLAY IN THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS WHICH IS, I THINK WHAT WE 967 01:02:08,306 --> 01:02:13,242 ARE SAYING HAS BEEN DEVELOPING AN UNFOLDING AND I'M PACKING 968 01:02:13,244 --> 01:02:15,645 ITSELF FOR 15 OR 20 YEARS. MAYBE 25 YEARS. 969 01:02:15,646 --> 01:02:27,323 THE SEPARATION, THE RISE OF THE INTERNET, WE HAVE SEEN A SURGE 970 01:02:27,325 --> 01:02:30,861 IN DEEPENING OF ANTI- INTELLECTUAL BEHAVIOR AND I SORT 971 01:02:30,863 --> 01:02:34,831 OF FEEL LIKE IT'S COMING TO PLAY, ALMOST CRESTING WITH THE 972 01:02:34,833 --> 01:02:37,500 ELECTION. TO ME, THOSE ARE THE 973 01:02:37,502 --> 01:02:40,2 UNDERCURRENTS THAT ARE MORE TROUBLING BECAUSE IT'S NOT WHO 974 01:02:40,4 --> 01:02:45,741 GETS ELECTED PRESIDENT, IT'S DEEPER TRENDS IN OUR SOCIETY 975 01:02:45,743 --> 01:02:48,945 WHICH I SUSPECT WILL BE EXPLORING AFTER THE ELECTION 976 01:02:48,947 --> 01:02:52,681 BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT GOING TO GO AWAY IMMEDIATELY. 977 01:02:52,683 --> 01:02:55,84 I WOULD JUST ADD ONE CAUTIONARY NOTE. 978 01:02:55,86 --> 01:03:00,624 THERE IS AN ASSUMPTION OFTEN ABOUT TRUMP'S OPPONENTS THAT THE 979 01:03:00,625 --> 01:03:05,862 RALLIES ARE THESE GATHERINGS OF EXTREMISTS AND RACES AND SO ON 980 01:03:05,864 --> 01:03:08,864 AND THAT'S JUST NOT THE CASE. THERE ARE CRAZIES AT HIS RALLY, 981 01:03:08,866 --> 01:03:19,408 TO BE SURE, BUT THERE ARE ALSO A LOT OF OBAMA TRUMP VOTERS. 982 01:03:19,410 --> 01:03:23,446 THESE ARE THE HOPE AND CHANGE VOTERS. 983 01:03:23,447 --> 01:03:28,685 WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO SAW SOMEONE WHO HEARD EXACTLY THE KIND OF 984 01:03:28,687 --> 01:03:34,523 THINGS THAT BOB MENTIONED AND TOOK THAT TO HEART AND REFLECTED 985 01:03:34,525 --> 01:03:40,896 WHAT FRUSTRATION AND TROUBLES PEOPLE WERE GOING THROUGH PEOPLE 986 01:03:40,898 --> 01:03:56,79 SEE THAT AND DONALD TRUMP. ONE MUST QUESTION. 987 01:03:56,81 --> 01:04:01,450 [INAUDIBLE] DOES HE THINK ABOUT HIS OWN 988 01:04:01,452 --> 01:04:04,887 SKILLS. HE KNOWS HE'S GOOD AT 989 01:04:04,889 --> 01:04:08,524 EVERYTHING. [LAUGHTER] 990 01:04:08,526 --> 01:04:13,429 THAT'S WHAT HE WOULD SAY. PEOPLE RESPOND TO HIS CONFIDENCE 991 01:04:13,431 --> 01:04:20,970 HE HAS SAID HE WILL GET REALLY SMART PEOPLE AROUND HIM AND IT'S 992 01:04:20,972 --> 01:04:29,211 ALL ABOUT THE CONFIDENCE. HE HAS NOT SAID WHAT IS ALEPPO 993 01:04:29,213 --> 01:04:37,52 BUT WE DID LEARN HE WOULD'VE CAUGHT OSAMA BIN LADEN FOR. 994 01:04:37,54 --> 01:04:40,123 I THINK THE UNDERCUT OF YOUR QUESTION IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO 995 01:04:40,125 --> 01:04:44,93 EXPLORE. THROUGHOUT THIS COUNTRY, WHAT IS 996 01:04:44,95 --> 01:04:52,668 THE REQUIREMENT FOR PRESIDENT. FOR DONALD TRUMP HE SAID WHAT 997 01:04:52,670 --> 01:04:55,638 THE REQUIREMENT WAS 30 YEARS AGO AND HE REITERATED IT 20 YEARS 998 01:04:55,640 --> 01:05:01,611 AGO AND THAT WAS THE PERSON WHO COULD REINVIGORATE THE SPIRIT OF 999 01:05:01,613 --> 01:05:04,915 AMERICA WHO HAS BOLDNESS AND POMPOSITY. 1000 01:05:04,916 --> 01:05:07,650 THOSE ARE HIS WORD. DOES HE THINK HE FITS THE 1001 01:05:07,652 --> 01:05:11,454 REQUIREMENT? ABSOLUTELY. 1002 01:05:11,456 --> 01:05:17,93 THE QUESTION IS SORT OF A VALUES QUESTION AND THAT'S WHERE THINGS 1003 01:05:17,94 --> 01:05:22,332 GET INTERESTING. HE HAS ALWAYS HAD THIS VERY 1004 01:05:22,333 --> 01:05:23,934 SMALL CIRCLE OF PEOPLE HE CAN REALLY RELY ON. 1005 01:05:23,936 --> 01:05:25,834 THEY'RE USUALLY CORE FAMILY MEMBERS. 1006 01:05:25,836 --> 01:05:30,773 AT THE CASINOS THERE WAS ONE OR TWO PEOPLE WHO DIED IN A 1007 01:05:30,775 --> 01:05:34,877 HELICOPTER CRASH AND TIME AND TIME AGAIN YOU SEE THERE IS ONE 1008 01:05:34,879 --> 01:05:39,815 TO VITAL PEOPLE WHO CAN TELL HIM WHAT TO DO. 1009 01:05:39,817 --> 01:05:42,519 HE DOESN'T LIKE TO BE TOLD HE'S WRONG. 1010 01:05:42,520 --> 01:05:45,655 OFTEN TIMES YOU SEE PEOPLE BEING FIRED. 1011 01:05:45,656 --> 01:05:47,156 YOU SEE IT AGAIN IN THIS CAMPAIGN. 1012 01:05:47,158 --> 01:05:49,693 HE'S GONE THROUGH TO CAMPAIGN MANAGERS ALREADY IN THIS 1013 01:05:49,695 --> 01:05:53,896 CAMPAIGN. HE WOULD HAVE TO TACKLE MANY 1014 01:05:53,898 --> 01:05:56,198 ISSUES THAT HE DOESN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT. 1015 01:05:56,200 --> 01:06:01,337 HOW WOULD HE ORGANIZE THAT AND EMPHASIZE THAT. 1016 01:06:01,339 --> 01:06:07,277 HE TALKS ABOUT GETTING THINGS DONE. 1017 01:06:07,279 --> 01:06:10,479 HE THINKS THE BEST WAY IS AN ARMY OF ONE AND IT'S HARD TO RUN 1018 01:06:10,481 --> 01:06:14,616 A COUNTRY WITH ONE PERSON. I THINK THIS WOULD BE A KEY 1019 01:06:14,618 --> 01:06:18,220 THING BECAUSE HILLARY CLINTON, IT'S POLAR OPERA SITE. 1020 01:06:18,222 --> 01:06:20,256 SHE'S HAD ALL THIS EXPERIENCE IN GOVERNMENT AND HE IS CERTAINLY 1021 01:06:20,258 --> 01:06:22,559 GOING TO ANSWER THIS AND SAY HE HAS THE TEMPERAMENT, HE IS SHOWN 1022 01:06:22,561 --> 01:06:23,993 THROUGH HIS BUSINESSES AND HAS THE CONFIDENCE TO GET THE RIGHT 1023 01:06:23,995 --> 01:06:25,61 PEOPLE. IF HE'S RIGHT HE WILL 1024 01:06:25,62 --> 01:06:30,500 COMPLETELY REDEFINE WHAT IT MEANS TO BE PRESIDENT GIVEN HIS 1025 01:06:30,501 --> 01:06:35,270 BIOGRAPHY, HIS TRACK RECORD, HIS LACK OF EXPERIENCE IN THE PUBLIC 1026 01:06:35,272 --> 01:06:40,143 LIFE. IF HE'S RIGHT, HE WILL BE THE 1027 01:06:40,145 --> 01:06:44,847 FIRST PERSON TO COME THIS FAR IN AN ELECTION CAMPAIGN. 1028 01:06:44,849 --> 01:06:53,522 IF HE'S ELECTED, HE WILL BREAK ALL THE MOTES. 1029 01:06:53,524 --> 01:06:55,524 HE HAS AN ANSWER FOR QUESTION. 1030 01:06:55,526 --> 01:06:57,260 WHEN THINGS GO RIGHT, HE KNEW WHAT TO DO AND HE TAKES ALL THE 1031 01:06:57,261 --> 01:07:00,363 CREDIT. WHEN THINGS GO WRONG AND HE 1032 01:07:00,364 --> 01:07:03,65 SHOWED THIS IN VARIOUS STAGES THROUGHOUT THE CAREER, BUT THEN 1033 01:07:03,67 --> 01:07:06,201 THE SYSTEM IS RIGGED. WE'VE HEARD THESE WORDS FROM HIM 1034 01:07:06,203 --> 01:07:09,906 AND THAT IS EXACTLY THE PHRASE HE USES THROUGHOUT HIS LIFE 1035 01:07:09,907 --> 01:07:12,41 WHETHER HE'S FACING TROUBLE OR FAILURE. 1036 01:07:12,43 --> 01:07:18,981 WHEN WE SEE THAT NOW YOU CAN SORT OF SEE THAT HE'S NOT 1037 01:07:18,983 --> 01:07:22,918 OBLIVIOUS TO THE POSITION IN THE POOL AND HE'S PREPARING HIMSELF 1038 01:07:22,920 --> 01:07:27,424 AND ALL OF US FOR THE MESSAGE THAT HE WILL HAVE IF HE LOSES. 1039 01:07:27,426 --> 01:07:31,361 I THINK WE HAVE TO LEAVE IT THERE, BUT THANK YOU FOR COMING 1040 01:07:31,363 --> 01:07:48,445 OUT. [APPLAUSE] 1041 01:07:48,447 --> 01:08:11,467 [INAUDIBLE CONVERSATION] [INAUDIBLE CONVERSATION] 1042 01:08:11,469 --> 01:08:14,404 NOW THE LAST PROGRAM ON A BLOCK OF PROGRAMS ABOUT HILLARY 1043 01:08:14,406 --> 01:08:18,208 CLINTON AND DONALD TRUMP. THE AUTHORS OF CLINTON CASH, 1044 01:08:18,209 --> 01:08:52,242 CLEAN CLEAN HOUSE AND PARTNERS IN CRIME GOOD MORNING, I'M 1045 01:08:52,244 --> 01:08:57,247 PRESIDENT OF JUDICIAL WATCH, WELCOME TO OUR EDUCATIONAL PANEL 1046 01:08:57,249 --> 01:09:03,652 ON THE CLINTON SCANDAL UPDATE. JOINING US IS AN EXPERT PANEL OF 1047 01:09:03,654 --> 01:09:06,488 CLINTON WATCHERS WHO HAVE EXAMINED HER CAREER OVER THE 1048 01:09:06,490 --> 01:09:11,193 DECADES AND HAVE MADE SOME, HAS SOME PRETTY STARTLING 1049 01:09:11,195 --> 01:09:15,431 INFORMATION FOR YOU AS WE BEGIN THIS PANEL. 1050 01:09:15,433 --> 01:09:18,868 JUDICIAL WATCH IS A NINE PARTISAN EDUCATIONAL FOUNDATION. 1051 01:09:18,870 --> 01:09:26,375 WE PROSECUTE GOVERNMENT CORRUPTION WHEREVER WE FIND IT 1052 01:09:26,377 --> 01:09:27,744 WHETHER IT IS REPUBLICAN OR DEMOCRAT AND JUDICIAL WATCH IS 1053 01:09:27,746 --> 01:09:30,413 PLEASED TO BE ABLE TO PRESENT YOU THE SPECIAL PANEL ON 1054 01:09:30,415 --> 01:09:36,519 FACEBOOK LIFE, THE Y AMERICAN NEWS NETWORK AND C-SPAN. 1055 01:09:36,520 --> 01:09:38,854 WELCOME. TO PROVIDE YOU SOME CONTEXT 1056 01:09:38,856 --> 01:09:41,391 BEFORE I INTRODUCE OUR PANELIST, I THOUGHT I WOULD GIVE YOU A