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>> WE HAVE A GREAT PHOTOGRAPHER,

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THAT'S PERFECTLY ALL RIGHT

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OKAY?

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THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

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>> WE CONTINUE OUR PROGRAMS ON

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THE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES WITH

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A ROUND TABLE DISCUSSION

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FEATURING MARC FISHER AND

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MICHAEL KRANISH ON THEIR BOOK,

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"TRUMP REVEALED."

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[INAUDIBLE CONVERSATIONS]

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>> WHY DON'T WE GET STARTED.

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MY NAME IS MARTY PAIR ON, I'M

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THE -- BARON, I'M THE EXECUTIVE

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EDITOR OF "THE WASHINGTON POST",

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AND WE'RE REALLY DELIGHTED ALL

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OF YOU CAME OUT THIS EVENING TO

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THE POST.

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WE'RE HAPPY TO WELCOME YOU HERE.

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TONIGHT YOU'RE GOING TO GET THE

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CHANCE TO MEET SOME OF THE

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JOURNALISTS AND THE EDITORS

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BEHIND THE POST'S BOOK "TRUMP
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AS YOU KNOW.

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THIS WAS AN EXHAUSTIVELY

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RESEARCHED BOOK ABOUT THE LIFE

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AND THE CAREER OF DONALD TRUMP.

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YOU KNOW, THE POST HAS A LONG

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TRADITION OF DELVING DEEPLY INTO

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THE PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEES OF

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EACH MAJOR PARTY.

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AND THIS YEAR GIVEN DONALD

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TRUMP'S, SHALL WE SAY, NOVEL AND

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POLITICAL ARENA, THERE WAS AN

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OPPORTUNITY TO DO A BOOK.

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AND WE WERE HAPPY TO SEIZE THAT

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OPPORTUNITY.

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AND WE'RE ESPECIALLY GRATEFUL TO

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SCRIVENER, SO WE'RE HERE, ALL

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THESE FOLKS WHO JUST CAME IN

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JUST ON TIME FOR MAKING THAT

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THEM, BUT I DO WANT TO MENTION

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THAT WE HAVE PUBLISHER NAN

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GRAHAM.

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RAISE YOUR HAND, NAN.
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AND WE HAVE EDITOR-IN-CHIEF

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COLIN HARRISON HERE.

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THANK YOU FOR --

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ALL YOU DID.

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THEY WORKED INCRED WRITE FAST

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AND INCREDIBLY HARD AND WITH

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WE'RE VERY GRATEFUL.

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FROM THE POST THERE WERE TWO

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DOZEN JOURNALISTS WHO WORKED ON

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THIS BOOK.

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THEY NEEDED TO BOTH WORK QUICKLY

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AND TO GO VERY, VERY DEEP.

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AND THAT'S WHY WE DEPLOYED SUCH

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SCOTT WILSON, OUR NATIONAL

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EDITOR WHO, UNFORTUNATELY, COULD

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NOT BE HERE THIS EVENING

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ASSEMBLED THAT TEAM DRAWING FROM

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THIS EVENING YOU'LL THAT HEAR

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FROM FIVE OF PEOPLE WHO WORKED

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ON THIS BOOK, AND, YOU KNOW,

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KRANISH WHO IS HERE AND MARC

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FISHER RIGHT BEHIND ME, AND I'LL

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TRY TO STEP AWAY, THEY WERE THE

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PRIMARY AUTHORS OF "TRUMP

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REVEALED," BUT EVERYONE, THIS

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ENTIRE TEAM, CONTRIBUTED TO IT.

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COMPREHENSIVE EXAMINATION OF

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DEALINGS AND HIS LONG-RUNNING

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IN-DEPTH REPORTING THAT READERS

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EXPECT FROM THE POST.

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PLEASURE FOR ME TO INTRODUCE

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TONIGHT'S MODERATOR AND ONE OF

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THE CO-AUTHORS OF THE BOOK

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"TRUMP REVEALED," SENIOR EDITOR

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MARC FISHER.

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[APPLAUSE]

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>> THANK YOU, MARTY, AND AND

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THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING OUT.

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IT'S GREAT TO SEE SUCH A BIG
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I THINK I UNDERSTAND WHY SO MANY

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OF YOU ARE HERE.

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THERE'S ONE THING THAT AMERICANS

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CAN'T JUST SEEM TO FIND ENOUGH

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OF THESE DAYS, IT'S INFORMATION

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ABOUT DONALD TRUMP.

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WHO HAS NOT PREVIOUSLY HELD

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ELECTIVE OFFICE, AND THAT MEANS

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HE HAS NOT BEEN VETTED IN THE

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WAY MOST POLITICIANS ARE AS A

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MATTER OF COURSE AS THEY RUN FOR

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VARIOUS OFFICES.

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CELEBRITY FOR DECADES, AND

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CELEBRITY IS ACTUALLY A VERY

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DIFFERENT KIND OF ATTENTION FROM

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HAVING YOUR LIFE AND CAREER AND

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BACKGROUND RIGOROUSLY EXAMINED

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VOTERS UNDERSTAND HOW YOU THINK,

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HOW YOU MAKE DECISIONS AND WHAT

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AS MICHAEL AND I HAVE BEEN

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MAKING THE ROUNDS ON TV AND

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RADIO APPEARANCES IN PROMOTION

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OF THIS BOOK, WE'VE FOUND THAT

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THE SINGLE MOST EFFECTIVE WAY TO

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SELL THIS BOOK WAS ONE SINGLE

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TWEET FROM A GUY NAMED DONALD J.

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TRUMP OF JAMAICA ESTATES, NEW

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YORK.

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THE NIGHT BEFORE THE BOOK WAS

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ACTUALLY RELEASED -- SO HE

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COULDN'T HAVE POSSIBLY SEEN

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IT -- HE PUT OUT A TWEET SAYING,

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CALLING THE BOOK A HIT JOB AND

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SAYING THAT IT WAS BORING AND

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SHOULDN'T BUY IT.

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SOARING AFTER THAT.
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TO HIM --
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SINCE HE INCOMED 11 MILLION --

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INFORMED 11 MILLION OF HIS

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CLOSEST FRIENDS ABOUT THE BOOK.

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BUT WHAT WAS FASCINATING ABOUT

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THAT WAS THAT HE, OBVIOUSLY,

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COULDN'T HELP HIMSELF.

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ANY RATIONAL CAMPAIGN ADVISER

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WOULD HAVE TOLD HIM, JUST IGNORE

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THE THING.

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BUT HE COULDN'T HELP HIMSELF

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AND SO HE DID THIS.

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CONFIRMATION OF A MAJOR THEME IN

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THE BOOK WHICH IS THAT THIS IS A

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MAN WHO DEEPLY BELIEVES THAT THE

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PROPER RESPONSE, THE ONLY PROPER

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RESPONSE TO ANYTHING THAT COULD

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BE AT ALL CRITICAL IS TO ATTACK

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AND TO ATTACK HARD.

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DERIVATION OF THAT

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CHARACTERISTIC OF DONALD TRUMP

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WHICH TRACES NOT ONLY TO HIS

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CHILDHOOD AND HAVING A FATHER

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WHO TAUGHT HIM TO BE A KILLER

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AND WARNED HIM AGAINST BEING A

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NOTHING, BUT ALSO TO HIS

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RELATIONSHIP WITH ROY COHN, THE

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INFAMOUS NEW YORK ATTORNEY WHO

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WAS KIND OF HIS MENTOR IN HIS

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20s WHEN HE WAS JUST STARTING

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OUT ON HIS OWN IN BUSINESS.

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MARTY MENTIONED THE ORIGINS OF

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THIS BOOK, BUT I WANT TO GIVE

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YOU A LITTLE MORE ON THAT BEFORE

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WE GET GOING WITH THE

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THIS BOOK CAME TOGETHER IN LATE

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MARCH, SO IF YOU RECALL BACK TO

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THE PRIMARY SEASON, IT WAS

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REALLY ONLY AROUND THAT TIME

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THAT IT BECAME VERY CLEAR THAT

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DONALD TRUMP WAS THE LIKELY
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AND SO AT THAT POINT, THIS TEAM

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OF MORE THAN 20 REPORTERS WAS

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PUT TOGETHER.

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SCRIBNER, I THINK, CAME TO --

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WAS FINALLY SIGNED ON A

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THURSDAY.

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AND THE PLAN WAS TO ANNOUNCE

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THIS TO THE PUBLIC THE FOLLOWING

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MONDAY.

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SO THE NEXT DAY, FRIDAY, I

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CALLED HOPE HICKS WHO WAS DONALD

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COURT I TO LET HER -- COURTESY

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TO LET HER KNOW THAT THIS WOULD

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BE ANNOUNCED ON THE FOLLOWING

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MONDAY AND ALSO TO ASK HER, WE

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WANTED TO HAVE A SERIES OF

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INTERVIEWS WITH DONALD TRUMP.

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WE WANTED TO GET AS MUCH OF HIS

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TIME AS WE COULD BECAUSE

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ALTHOUGH WE HAD THIS LARGE TEAM

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OF REPORTERS WHO WOULD BE

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DIGGING INTO EVERY ASPECT OF

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TRUMP'S LIFE, LOOKING AT

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RECORDS, DOCUMENTS, TALKING TO

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EVERYONE FROM HIS FRIENDS AND

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CLASSMATES AND NEIGHBORS AS HE

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GREW UP ALL THE WAY THROUGH HIS

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BUSINESS ASSOCIATES, PARTNERS,

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COMPETITORS, VENDORS

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CONTRACTORS AND SO ON.

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AND WE WANTED AS MUCH TIME AS WE

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COULD GET WITH HIM.

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SO I EXPLAINED THE DEAL THAT

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WE'D MADE AND BOOK THAT WE'D BE

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DOING AND HOW A LOT OF REPORTERS

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WOULD BE CALLING THEM, AND

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BEFORE I COULD GET THE FULL

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EXPLANATION OUT HOPE HICKS SAID

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YOU ARE PROFITEERING OFF

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MR. TRUMP --
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WHICH WAS KIND OF CURIOUS GIVEN

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THAT HE SPENDS A GOOD CHUNK OF

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HIS DAY TALKING TO REPORTERS

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NEARLY ALL OF THEM FROM

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PROFIT-MAKING INSTITUTIONS, OR

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IDEALLY PROFIT-MAKING

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INSTITUTIONS.

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[LAUGHTER]
AND SHE WAS NOT OPEN TO THAT

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LINE OF REASONING, AND SHE CUT

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OFF THE CONVERSATION AND SAID WE

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WILL NOT BE COOPERATING WITH

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THIS BOOK.
YOU'RE ON YOUR OWN.

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AND SO WE HAD THOUGHT, WELL,

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THAT WAS A FAIRLY LIKELY OUTCOME

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ANYWAY.

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THAT DIDN'T REALLY AFFECT OUR

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PLAN FOR HOW TO REPORT OUT THIS
BOOK.

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BUT THEN, LO AND BEHOLD, THE

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FOLLOWING MONDAY SHE CALLED BACK

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AND SAID THAT SHE HAD HAD A

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CHANCE TO, AS SHE PUT IT, TELL

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MR. TRUMP ABOUT YOUR FABULOUS
IDEA.

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[LAUGHTER]

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AND SHE SAID THAT HE ACTUALLY

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LIKED THE IDEA AND THAT HE

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WANTED US TO COME UP TO TRUMP

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TOWER AS OFTEN AS WE LIKED FOR

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AS LONG AS WE LIKED BECAUSE HE

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WANTED THIS BOOK TO BE FAIR AND

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ACCURATE, AND HE WANTED TO GET

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THE REAL STORY OUT ABOUT HIS

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LIFE.

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SO ONE INTERESTING CURIOSITY

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THERE WAS THAT HIS OWN PRESS

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SECRETARY WHO'D WORKED WITH HIM

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FOR A NUMBER OF MONTHS DIDN'T

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REALIZE THAT HE WOULD VERY MUCH

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LIKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK

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ABOUT HIS FAVORITE SUBJECT

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HIMSELF.

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[LAUGHTER]

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BUT, INDEED, AS WE TALKED TO

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TRUMP IN THE WEEKS THAT

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FOLLOWED, HE REGULARLY EXTENDED

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OUR INTERVIEW TIME, DOUBLED AND

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TRIPLED THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT

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HE PENT WITH US.

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HE -- HE SPENT WITH US.

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HE TOOK ALL QUESTIONS.

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SOME OF THEM HE ANSWERED IN MORE

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DETAIL THAN OTHERS BUT HE,

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INDEED, HAD US BACK TIME AND
AGAIN.

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HE SPOKE WITH A NUMBER OF THE

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REPORTERS IN THE FRONT ROW HERE

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TONIGHT ON PHONE AND IN PERSON

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AS THEY WENT INTO GREATER DEPTH

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ON TOPICS THEY WERE DIGGING
INTO.

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WE HAD PEOPLE WORKING ON THIS

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BOOK WHO WERE EXPERTS IN

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REPORTING ON ATLANTIC CITY, ON

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FINANCES, ON CASINO GAMING, ON

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ORGANIZED CRIME CONNECTIONS.

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WE HAD PEOPLE WHO LOOKED INTO

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HIS BRIEF EXPERIENCE AS A SPORTS

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FRANCHISE OWNER IN THE U.S.
FOOTBALL LEAGUE.

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AND SO ON ALL THROUGH EVERY

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CHAPTER OF HIS LIFE.

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AND ONE OF OUR GOALS HERE,

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THEREFORE, WAS THAT KIND OF

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COMPLETENESS AND ANOTHER WAS

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TRANSPARENCY.

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WE KNOW AND WE DOCUMENT IN THE

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BOOK THAT DONALD TRUMP IS A

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HIGHLY LITIGIOUS PERP.

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IN FACT, HE -- PERSON.

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IN FACT, HE HAS SUED THE AUTHOR

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OF A PREVIOUS BIOGRAPHY FOR $5
BILLION --

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[LAUGHTER]

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AND WE ASKED HIM, MICHAEL AND I

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HAD A CERTAIN CURIOSITY ABOUT

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THAT WHEN WE WERE TALKING WITH

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TRUMP, SO WE ASKED HIM ABOUT

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THAT CASE, AND HE SAID THAT HE'D

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ACTUALLY NEVER READ THE BOOK.

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[LAUGHTER]

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SO I WAS KIND OF PUZZLED BY

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THAT.

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I SAID, WELL, HOW DO YOU GO

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ABOUT SUING SOMEBODY FOR $5

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BILLION WHEN YOU'VE ACTUALLY

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NEVER READ THE BOOK, AND HE

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SAID, WELL, YOU COULD PROBABLY

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SAY THIS ALONG WITH ME, PEOPLE

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TOLD ME IT WAS A BAD BOOK.

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[LAUGHTER]

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THE CLASSIC TRUMPISM.

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AND HE DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING

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UNTOWARD ABOUT THAT.

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HE WAS VERY GRACIOUS WITH HIS

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TIME, VERY OPEN TO ANSWERING

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QUESTIONS, AND YET EVERY ONCE IN

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A WHILE HE WOULD SLIP P IN A

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THREAT ABOUT HOW IF IT WAS A BAD

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BOOK, AS HE PUT IT, HE WOULD

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COME AFTER US, AND HE WOULD COME

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AFTER THE POST.

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SO THERE WAS THIS KIND OF

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ALTERNATING GRACIOUS BENESS AND

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TENSION -- GRACIOUSNESS AND

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TENSION THROUGH THE WHOLE

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RELATIONSHIP THAT WE HAD WITH
HIM.

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AND KIND OF BINARY APPROACH

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WHERE IT'S EITHER A GOOD BOOK OR

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A BAD BOOK, THAT'S SOMETHING

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THAT'S ALSO SHOT THROUGH THE

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BOOK, SHOT THROUGH HIS LIFE.

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ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MAKES HIM

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DECIDE WHETHER A BOOK OR AN

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ARTICLE IS GOOD OR BAD IS

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WHETHER IT QUESTIONS THE EXTENT

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OF HIS WEALTH.

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AND THIS IS --

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[LAUGHTER]

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THIS IS, WE HAVE SEVERAL

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ANECDOTES IN THE BOOK ABOUT HIS

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SENSITIVITY TO THAT QUESTION.

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WHEN HE SUED THE TIMOTHY

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O'BRIEN, THE AUTHOR OF THE OTHER

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BIOGRAPHY, TRUMP LOST TWICE MANY

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THAT LAWSUIT -- IN THAT LAWSUIT,

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AND WHAT TRIGGERED THE LAWSUIT

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WAS, INDEED, A CHAPTER

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QUESTIONING WHETHER DONALD TRUMP

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IS AS WEALTHY AS HE CLAIMS TO

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BE.

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AND IF YOU'D BEEN WATCHING THE

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CAMPAIGN CLOSELY, YOU'D KNOW

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THAT THE NUMBER HE GIVES FOR HIS

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WEALTH VARIES A LOT.

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HE SOMETIMES SAYS 9 BILLION, 10

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BILLION, $12 BILLION.

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AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY WAY OF

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GIVING YOU A DEFINITIVE NUMBER

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OF WHAT HE'S REALLY WORTH

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BECAUSE HE HASN'T RELEASED HIS
TAX RETURNS.

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BUT WE DO HAVE WAYS OF COMING TO

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THE CONCLUSION THAT HE'S

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PROBABLY NOT WORTH NEARLY AS

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MUCH AS HE SAYS HE IS.

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IN FACT, A JUDGE IN THAT LIBEL

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CASE CAME TO EXACTLY THAT

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CONCLUSION IN ALMOST THOSE EXACT

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WORDS.

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AND, IN FACT, IN A DEPOSITION IN

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THAT CASE WHICH WE HAVE AS PART

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OF THE ARCHIVE THAT BACKS UP

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THIS BOOK, TRUMP WAS ASKED

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DIRECTLY HOW DO YOU COME UP WITH

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THIS NUMBER THAT YOU BANDY ABOUT

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ABOUT HOW MUCH YOU'RE WORTH.

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AND HE SAID, QUOTE: IT DEPENDS

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ON HOW I FEEL ON A GIVEN DAY.

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[LAUGHTER]

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NOW, THERE'S ACTUALLY SOMETHING

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LEGITIMATE ABOUT THAT BECAUSE

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HIS BRAND IS HIS NAME, AND HIS

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NAME IS WHAT GIVES VALUE TO MANY

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OF HIS PROPERTIES AND OTHER

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BUSINESSES, AND SO PEOPLE DECIDE

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TO STAY AT A TRUMP HOTEL OR GO

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TO A TRUMP GOLF COURSE IN PART

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BECAUSE OF THAT NAME.

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SO THERE'S A CLEAR VALUE TO IT.

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AND PUTTING A NUMBER TO THAT

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VALUE IS MORE AN ART THAN A

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SCIENCE.

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BUT HOW HE ASSESSES HIMSELF IS

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HE TAKES THE ACTUAL ASSESSED

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VALUE OF PROPERTIES THAT ANYONE

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CAN LOOK UP ON THE TAX ROLLS

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AND HE ADDS THE VALUE THAT HE

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CONNECTS FROM HIS NAME, HIS

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REPUTATION AND HIS BRAND.

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SO HE IS A TRICKY FIGURE TO

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WRITE ABOUT IN THAT SENSE.

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IN FACT, WHEN HE WAS -- COMEDY

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CENTRAL, THE CABLE CHANNEL, WAS

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GOING TO DO A ROAST OF DONALD

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TRUMP SOME YEARS BACK, AND THE

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DIRECTIONS WENT OUT TO THE

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COMEDIANS WHO WERE GOING TO BE

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ROASTING HIM THAT, UNLIKE MOST

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OF THESE ROASTS, HIS FAMILY IS
FAIR GAME.

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YOU CAN JOKE ABOUT HIS KIDS, YOU

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CAN JOKE ABOUT HIS BACKGROUND,

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ANY OF THAT IS TOTALLY FAIR.

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ONLY ONE THING THE COMEDIANS

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WERE TOLD THEY MAY NOT JOKE

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ABOUT, AND THAT WAS THE EXTEND

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OF HIS WEALTH.

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EXTENT OF HIS WEALTH.

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[LAUGHTER]

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SO HE'S A TRICKY CHARACTER TO

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WRITE ABOUT.

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BUT WE DID HAVE THIS GREAT TEAM

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OF FOLKS WHO YOU'RE GOING TO

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HEAR FROM TONIGHT AND WANT TO

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TURN OVER TO MICHAEL KCANISH --

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KRANISH, MY CO-WRITER, WHO WILL

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GIVE YOU A COUPLE EXAMPLES OF

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THE THINGS THAT MADE DONALD

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TRUMP WHAT HE IS TODAY.

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[APPLAUSE]

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>> THANK YOU, MARC.

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THANK EVERYBODY FOR COMING OUT

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HERE.

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IT'S A GREAT HONOR TO BE PART OF

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THIS PROJECT.

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I DON'T KNOW IF THE POST FOLKS

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KNOW THIS, BUT WHEN I WAS

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GROWING UP IN D.C., I WAS A

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WASHINGTON POST PAPER BOY FOR

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ABOUT FIVE YEARS.

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[LAUGHTER]

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THE INK HAS NOT WORN OFF, AND

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I'M PROUD TO BE WORKING ON THIS
PROJECT.

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WE DO FANTASTIC STORIES AND

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BIOGRAPHY IS SORT OF THE THREAD

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OF ALL OF THOSE STORIES THAT WE

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TRY TO PUT TOGETHER.

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BECAUSE IN THE CASE OF DONALD

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TRUMP, YOU HAVE A MAN WHO HAS

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NEVER RUN FOR PUBLIC OFFICE OR

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HELD PUBLIC OFFICE, SO THERE'S

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AN AWFUL LOT THAT WE DON'T KNOW

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ABOUT HIM EVEN THOUGH HE'S ONE

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OF THE MOST COVERED FIGURES OF

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OUR GENERATION.

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SO IF YOU LOOK AT A PERP'S

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LIFE -- AT A PERSON'S LIFE, HOW

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THEY'VE DEALT WITH CRISIS, THAT,

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TO ME, IS ONE OF THE MOST

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IMPORTANT THINGS.

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SOMEONE WHO HAS DEALT WITH DARK

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MOMENTS IN THEIR LIFE, AND AND

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CERTAINLY DONALD TRUMP FITS THAT

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CATEGORY VERY WELL.

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I WANT TO TAKE YOU TO OCTOBER

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10, 1989, IN ATLANTIC CITY.

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IT'S A BRIGHT, SUNNY DAY, AND

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THREE OF DONALD TRUMP'S TOP

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CASINO EXECUTIVES -- HE'S GOT

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TWO AT THIS MOMENT, AND HE'S

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ABOUT TO OPEN TAJ MAHAL.

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AND THESE THREE EXECUTIVES ARE

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ABOUT TO THE TAKE A HELICOPTER

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RIDE TO NEW YORK CITY TO MEET

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WITH DONALD TRUMP AND TO PROMOTE

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A BOXING MATCH TO BE HELD AT ONE

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OF HIS CASINOS.

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SO THE THREE MEN GET ONBOARD A

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SIKORSKY HELICOPTER AND HAVE A

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PRESS CONFERENCE AT THE PLAZA

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HOTEL IN NEW YORK.

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THEY MEET WITH DONALD TRUMP AT

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TRUMP TOWER ON THE 26TH FLOOR,

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AND THE MEETING GOES A LITTLE

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BIT LONG, AND THEY CAN NO LONGER

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TAKE THE SIKORSKY BACK TO

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ATLANTIC CITY, SO IS THEY BOOK A

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CHARTER FLIGHT, AND THEY TAKE AN

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ITALIAN-MADE AUGUSTA HELICOPTER.

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THEY BOARD THE HELICOPTER, AND A

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FEW MINUTES INTO THE FLIGHT

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THEY'RE OVER THE GARDEN STATE

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PARKWAY, AND WHAT THEY COULDN'T

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HAVE KNOWN IS THERE WAS A SMALL

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SCRATCH ON ONE OF THE ROTOR

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BLADES, AND AT 2200 FEET THAT

518
00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:28,000
HELICOPTER BASICALLY BURST

519
00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:30,000
APART, AND THE THREE MEN AND THE

520
00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:32,000
TWO CREW ARE KILLED, AND IT IS

521
00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:33,000
ONE OF THE MOST TRAGIC DAYS IN

522
00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:34,000
DONALD TRUMP'S LIFE AND,

523
00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:35,000
CERTAINLY, FOR THE PEOPLE WHO

524
00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:37,000
WERE KILLED IN THAT TRAGEDY.

525
00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:38,000
AND FOR DONALD TRUMP, I ASKED

526
00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:40,000
HIM ABOUT THIS, WE HAD A

527
00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:42,000
SEPARATE INTERVIEW WHERE I

528
00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:43,000
TALKED TO HIM EXTENSIVELY ABOUT

529
00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:45,000
THIS INCIDENT, AND HE DOES SAY

530
00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:46,000
ASIDE FROM THE DEATHS OF HIS

531
00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:48,000
PARENTS AND HIS BROTHER, FRED

532
00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:49,000
JR., THIS WAS THE MOST DIFFICULT

533
00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:50,000
DAY OF HIS LIFE.

534
00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:53,000
BECAUSE THESE MEN WERE IN CHARGE

535
00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:55,000
OF MAKING SURE HE WOULD BE
SUCCESSFUL.

536
00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:56,000
HE HAD BUILT TRUMP TOWER IN NEW

537
00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:58,000
YORK CITY, AND HE WAS TAKING A

538
00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:00,000
BIG GAMBLE IN ATLANTIC CITY.

539
00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:01,000
AT THAT TIME, THIS WAS THE ONLY

540
00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:03,000
LEGAL CASINO OPERATION ON THE

541
00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:04,000
EAST COAST, AND DONALD TRUMP

542
00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:05,000
WANTED TO BE THE BIGGEST AND

543
00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:07,000
BEST OPERATOR.

544
00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:09,000
SO HE HAD TWO CASINOS, WAS ABOUT

545
00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:11,000
TO OPEN A THIRD, AND SUDDENLY

546
00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:12,000
THE PEOPLE IN CHARGE OF THAT HAD

547
00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:13,000
PERISHED.

548
00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:14,000
DONALD TRUMP HAD NOT REALLY

549
00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:15,000
FOCUSED HIMSELF ON THAT
BUSINESS.

550
00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:17,000
IN FACT, AT THE TIME HE WAS

551
00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:19,000
HAVING AN AFFAIR WITH MARLA

552
00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:21,000
MAPLES, AND AS HE SAID IN

553
00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:22,000
INTERVIEWS FOR THIS BOOK, HE HAD

554
00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:24,000
TAKEN HIS EYE OFF THE BALL.

555
00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:25,000
AND SUDDENLY HE REALIZED THAT HE

556
00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:28,000
WAS IN DEEP, DEEP TROUBLE.

557
00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:30,000
SO THERE WAS ONE PERSON HE GOT A

558
00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:32,000
PHONE CALL FROM SHORTLY AFTER

559
00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:34,000
THE ACCIDENT, THAT MAN'S NAME

560
00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:35,000
WAS JOHN O'DONNELL, AND

561
00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:37,000
O'DONNELL WAS SUPPOSED TO HAVE

562
00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:38,000
BEEN ON THE HELICOPTER, BUT

563
00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:40,000
INSTEAD HE WAS IN HAWAII

564
00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:42,000
COMPETING IN AN ATHLETIC EVENT

565
00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:43,000
AND HE'D SENT A JUNIOR

566
00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:45,000
EXECUTIVE.

567
00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:46,000
HE BASICALLY HAD NOW ALL THIS

568
00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:48,000
OPERATION ON HIS SHOULDERS, AND

569
00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:49,000
DONALD TRUMP MET WITH HIM WHEN

570
00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:51,000
HE CAME BACK FROM HAWAII, AND HE

571
00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:53,000
SAID NOW IT'S YOUR TURN, AND

572
00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:55,000
THEN HE SAID DON'T LEAVE ME.

573
00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:56,000
AND O'DONNELL LATER SAID THAT

574
00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:58,000
THIS WAS THE FIRST TIME HE'D

575
00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:00,000
SEEN SUCH FEAR AND UNCERTAINTY

576
00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:02,000
IN DONALD TRUMP'S EYES AND IN
HIS VOICE.

577
00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:04,000
AND LONG STORY SHORT, BECAUSE I

578
00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:06,000
WANT TO GIVE EVERYBODY A CHANCE

579
00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:07,000
TO TALK AND QUESTION, SO FORTH

580
00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:09,000
WHAT HAPPENED NEXT WAS THAT

581
00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:11,000
THINGS HAD GOTTEN SO BAD, DONALD

582
00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:12,000
TRUMP HAD GONE SO DEEPLY IN DEBT

583
00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:14,000
THAT THERE WERE GREAT, GREAT

584
00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:15,000
PROBLEMS DESPITE THE PUBLIC

585
00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:16,000
ACCLAIM FOR THE OPENING OF THE

586
00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:17,000
TAJ MAHAL.

587
00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:19,000
AND PRETTY SOON ALL THREE

588
00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:20,000
CASINOS WENT INTO BANKRUPTCY

589
00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:21,000
AND THERE WERE THREE OTHER

590
00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:24,000
CORPORATE BANKRUPTCIES, AND A

591
00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:25,000
LOT OF PEOPLE WERE FIRED.

592
00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:27,000
DONALD TRUMP SAID SOMEBODY WHO

593
00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:29,000
WAS RUNNING THE CASINO HAD A

594
00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:31,000
TYPE C PERSONALITY, AND HE
BLAMED OTHERS.

595
00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:35,000
BUT AS I MENTIONED, HE ALSO TOLD

596
00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:37,000
US HE'D TAKEN HIS EYE OFF THE
BALL.

597
00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:39,000
WE TELL THE STORY ABOUT HOW HE

598
00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:44,000
MANAGED TO SURVIVE THE NADIR OF

599
00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:45,000
HIS CAREER IN ATLANTIC CITY.

600
00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:47,000
HE BASICALLY HAD TO LOOK OUT FOR

601
00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:49,000
HIMSELF, AND AS HE TOLD US, I

602
00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:50,000
WAS LOOKING OUT FOR DONALD

603
00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:51,000
TRUMP.

604
00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:52,000
I NEEDED TO SURVIVE, AND THAT'S

605
00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:53,000
WHAT MATTERED AT THE MOMENT.

606
00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:56,000
AND BE HE DID SURVIVE.

607
00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:58,000
SO WITH THAT STORY, YOU

608
00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:00,000
UNDERSTAND WHY THOSE WHO

609
00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:01,000
UNDERSTAND ESTIMATED HIM WOULD

610
00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:03,000
DO SO AT THEIR PERIL.

611
00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:05,000
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

612
00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:09,000
MS. .

613
00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:10,000
>> SO WE'LL TURN TO SOME OF THE

614
00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:12,000
OTHER REPORTERS.

615
00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:14,000
BOB O'HARA WAS A REPORTER IN THE

616
00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:17,000
POST INVESTIGATIONS UNIT, AND HE

617
00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:19,000
DID SOME OF THE VERY DIFFICULT

618
00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:21,000
DOCUMENT WORK ON THIS BOOK AS

619
00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:22,000
WELL AS FINDING SOME PEOPLE WHO

620
00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:23,000
WERE WILLING TO TALK ABOUT THAT

621
00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:25,000
PERIOD THAT MICHAEL WAS JUST

622
00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:27,000
TALKING ABOUT IN ATLANTIC CITY

623
00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:30,000
SOME VERY ROUGH TIME IFS FOR

624
00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:31,000
DONALD TRUMP. -- TIMES FOR

625
00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:33,000
DONALD TRUMP.

626
00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:34,000
AND, BOB, YOU LEARNED A LOT

627
00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:35,000
ABOUT TRUMP'S BUSINESS STYLE AND

628
00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:37,000
ABOUT THE KIND OF CHARACTERS HE

629
00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:38,000
WAS WILLING TO ASSOCIATE HIMSELF

630
00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:40,000
WITH IN ORDER TO GET A START IN

631
00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:42,000
THE VERY ROUGH AND TUMBLE OF

632
00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:44,000
ATLANTIC CITY'S CASINO WORLD.

633
00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:46,000
TALK TO US A LITTLE ABOUT THAT.

634
00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:47,000
>> IT'S ACTUALLY REMARKABLE

635
00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:50,000
BECAUSE IT WAS A LONG TIME AGO

636
00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:52,000
BUT IT FEELS VERY FRESH.

637
00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:53,000
I THINK PREDICTIVE IN SOME WAYS

638
00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:54,000
ABOUT THE TYPE OF PERSONALITY

639
00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:57,000
THAT HE IS.

640
00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:58,000
PROBABLY THE MOST FORMIDABLE

641
00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:00,000
CHARACTER THAT HE CONNECTED

642
00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:02,000
HIMSELF WITH WAS ROY COHN.

643
00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:04,000
AND IF PEOPLE DON'T REMEMBER ROY

644
00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:06,000
COHN, HE'S WORTH LOOKING INTO.

645
00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:07,000
HE WAS BRAINS BEHIND THE

646
00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:09,000
McCARTHY HEARINGS IN THE

647
00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:11,000
'50s, AND HE WAS A BRILLIANT

648
00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:16,000
SOMETHING OF A PRODIGY AS A

649
00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:17,000
YOUNG MAN AND WAS PRETTY MUCH A

650
00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:22,000
SAVAGE LEGAL MIND WHO FOCUSED ON

651
00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:24,000
ATTACKING AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE

652
00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:26,000
AND NEVER APOLOGIZING.

653
00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:28,000
AND HE RAN INTO TRUMP IN THE

654
00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:29,000
EARLY '70s, AND TRUMP EMBRACED

655
00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:32,000
HIM, AND THEY BECAME -- THEY

656
00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:34,000
DEVELOPED AN INTERESTING

657
00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:36,000
RELATIONSHIP THAT WAS BOTH LEGAL

658
00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:38,000
AND A FRIENDSHIP, AND COHN SORT

659
00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:40,000
OF SQUIRED HIM AROUND NEW YORK

660
00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:41,000
INTRODUCED HIM TO A LOT OF

661
00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:42,000
POWERFUL PEOPLE.

662
00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:44,000
AND I THINK THAT THAT WAS

663
00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:46,000
PROBABLY SET THE TONE FOR MUCH

664
00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:48,000
OF THE REST OF HIS CAREER.

665
00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:51,000
COHN REPRESENTED HIM THROUGH THE

666
00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:53,000
'80s, AND THERE ARE QUALITIES

667
00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:56,000
THAT WE SEE IN DONALD TRUMP NOW

668
00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:58,000
SOME OF THE HARSHER QUALITIES

669
00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:01,000
THAT ARE REMARKABLY SIMILAR TO

670
00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:03,000
ROY COHN'S METHODS AND DEMEANOR.

671
00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:05,000
>> AND JUST BRIEFLY, TELL US A

672
00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:07,000
LITTLE BIT ABOUT ASSEMBLING THE

673
00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:09,000
DOCUMENTS THAT GAVE US INSIGHTS

674
00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:12,000
INTO TRUMP'S FINANCES IN THAT
PERIOD.

675
00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:14,000
>> OH, THERE'S A MASSIVE TROVE

676
00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:15,000
OF INFORMATION, AND AND WE

677
00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:17,000
PROBABLY TAPPED -- WELL, WE

678
00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:18,000
TAPPED A LOT OF IT, BUT THERE'S

679
00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:19,000
A LOT OF MATERIAL TO BE

680
00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:21,000
EXAMINED.

681
00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:24,000
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE FOUND

682
00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:26,000
IS THAT DONALD TRUMP HAS

683
00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:28,000
SURROUNDED HIMSELF IN COMPLEXITY

684
00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:30,000
AND KIND OF A CLOUD OF ON TO

685
00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:32,000
SECURITY THROUGHOUT HIS --

686
00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:34,000
OBSCURITY THROUGHOUT HIS CAREER.

687
00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:35,000
DEALS ARE COMPLEX, ANSWERS ARE

688
00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:37,000
COMPLEX AND VAGUE OFTEN TIMES.

689
00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:39,000
AND THE DOCUMENTS THAT WE WERE

690
00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:40,000
ABLE TO COMPILE PARTICULARLY

691
00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:42,000
FROM THE CASINO CONTROL

692
00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:45,000
COMMISSION IN NEW JERSEY HELPED

693
00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:49,000
US TO CUT THROUGH THE FOG OF

694
00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:50,000
OBFUSCATION AND TO GET TO

695
00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:52,000
PARTICULARS.

696
00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:53,000
AND THE ONE THAT WAS MOST

697
00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:54,000
STRIKING TO ME, AND IT WAS SO

698
00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:56,000
STRIKING I ACTUALLY DID NOT

699
00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:58,000
BELIEVE IT FOR A WHILE UNTIL I

700
00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:00,000
REPORTED IT THOROUGHLY AND

701
00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:02,000
REALIZED IT WAS TRUE WAS THAT

702
00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:05,000
WHEN DONALD TRUMP WAS TRYING TO

703
00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:07,000
GET HIS THIRD CASINO, THE TAJ

704
00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:09,000
HE HAD TO SHOW THAT HE WAS

705
00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:11,000
FINANCIALLY CAPABLE OF MANAGING

706
00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:16,000
HIMSELF AND MAKING IT THRIVE.

707
00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:17,000
AND HE PROMISED THE REGULATORS

708
00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:20,000
THAT HE WAS NOT GOING TO USE

709
00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:22,000
JUNK BONDS TO FINANCE THE TAJ.

710
00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:23,000
AND IN THE, IN HIS TESTIMONY

711
00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:25,000
WHICH IS IN BLACK AND WHITE, YOU

712
00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:29,000
CAN ACTUALLY READ IT ONLINE, HE

713
00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:31,000
SAYS THAT PEOPLE THAT USE JUNK

714
00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:32,000
BONDS ARE LOSERS, IN EFFECT, AND

715
00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:34,000
THAT THEY'RE STUPID AND THAT

716
00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:35,000
COMPANIES THAT USE JUNK BONDS

717
00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:38,000
ARE, IN EFFECT JUNK.

718
00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:39,000
AND IT WAS ONLY -- AND THEY

719
00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:41,000
APPROVED HIS MOVE TO GO FORWARD,

720
00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:43,000
AND IT WAS ONLY A FEW MONTHS

721
00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:45,000
LATER THAT HE COULD NOT RAISE

722
00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:48,000
THE MONEY AT THE LOW PRIME RATES

723
00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:49,000
THAT HE HAD PROMISED AND USED

724
00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:51,000
JUNK BONDS.

725
00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:52,000
AND IN MAKING THAT DECISION AND

726
00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:54,000
ACTUALLY SIGNING OFF ON THOSE

727
00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:58,000
JUNK BONDS, HE SEALED HIS FATE,

728
00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:00,000
AND HIS WHOLE EMPIRE WAS ALMOST

729
00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:01,000
CERTAIN TO GO DOWN THE TUBES AS

730
00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:04,000
WAS PREDICTED BY A FINANCIAL

731
00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:05,000
ANALYST WHO WAS WATCHING

732
00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:06,000
EVERYTHING VERY CLOSELY.

733
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:08,000
SO THAT'S THE KIND OF DETAIL

734
00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:10,000
THAT WE WERE ABLE TO MINE TO GET

735
00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,000
TO THE PARTICULARS RATHER THAN

736
00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:14,000
THE GENERALITIES THAT HAD

737
00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:15,000
SURROUNDED HIM AND THAT HE

738
00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:17,000
SURROUNDED HIMSELF WITH.

739
00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:18,000
>> MARY JORDAN IS THE NATIONAL

740
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:21,000
REPORTER AT THE POST WHO LED A

741
00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:23,000
GROUP OF REPORTERS WHO LOOKED

742
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:24,000
INTO DONALD TRUMP'S FAMILY, HIS

743
00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:27,000
RELATIONSHIPS WITH HIS WIVES

744
00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:28,000
THREE WIVES AND HIS FIVE

745
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:30,000
CHILDREN.

746
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:31,000
AND AS PART OF THAT, WE MADE AN

747
00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:32,000
EFFORT TO TALK TO ALL OF THOSE

748
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:33,000
PEOPLE.

749
00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:34,000
TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT

750
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:35,000
THAT WAS LIKE AND WHAT CAME OUT

751
00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:36,000
OF IT.

752
00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:37,000
>> SO I GOT THE WOMEN.

753
00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:40,000
[LAUGHTER]

754
00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:42,000
AND KAREN HELLER IS HERE

755
00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:45,000
ANOTHER GREAT REPORTER, AND BOY

756
00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:47,000
WAS THAT INTERESTING.
OKAY.

757
00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:48,000
THERE HAS NEVER BEEN A PRESIDENT

758
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:50,000
WHO HAS THREE WIVES ALIVE

759
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:51,000
WALKING AROUND.
[LAUGHTER]

760
00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:52,000
THAT'S NEVER HAPPENED, RIGHT?

761
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:53,000
AND WHERE ARE THEY?

762
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:56,000
WE KNOW EVERYTHING.

763
00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:57,000
THIS GUY IS ON THE AIR ALL THE

764
00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:58,000
TIME.

765
00:23:58,000 --> 00:23:59,000
WHERE IS HIS FIRST WIFE?

766
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:01,000
IVANA?

767
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:05,000
THE FAMOUS ONE WHO WAS THE ONE

768
00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:06,000
IN FACT, SHE'S FROM THE FORMER

769
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,000
CZECHOSLOVAKIA, WHO COINED THE

770
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,000
TERM "THE DONALD."

771
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,000
SHE'S ALSO THE ONE WHEN THEY HAD

772
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:14,000
A WICKED, WICKED PUBLIC DIVORCE

773
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,000
WAS ON THE COVER EVERY DAY OF

774
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:17,000
TABLOIDS SAID DON'T GET MAD, GET

775
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:18,000
EVERYTHING.

776
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:20,000
[LAUGHTER]
OKAY.

777
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,000
THIS WOMAN LIKES TO TALK, AND

778
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,000
SHE'S JUST DISAPPEARED.

779
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:25,000
NEVER SEEN HER.

780
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:26,000
SECOND WIFE, IS SHE'S STILL

781
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:27,000
ALIVE.

782
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:28,000
SHE'S BEEN MARRIED FOUR TIMES,

783
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:29,000
AND DONALD WENT TO HER FOURTH

784
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,000
WEDDING.
[LAUGHTER]

785
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:33,000
BUT MARLA MAPLES COMES ALONG

786
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:35,000
AND HE'S STILL MARRIED --

787
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:37,000
INCONVENIENTLY -- TO THE FIRST
WOMAN.

788
00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:39,000
AND SO THIS WAS HIDDEN FOR A

789
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,000
WHILE, BUT THEN THERE WAS THIS

790
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:43,000
BIG SCENE IN ASPEN AT CHRISTMAS

791
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:44,000
TIME, AND THE TWO WOMEN WERE
FIGHTING OVER DONALD.

792
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:46,000
HE LOVED IT.

793
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:47,000
IT WAS IN PAPER.

794
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:49,000
AT THAT TIME HE WASN'T RUNNING

795
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,000
FOR OFFICE, AND HE LOVED, LOVED

796
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:53,000
THAT WOMEN -- HE WAS ON PAGE 6

797
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:56,000
IN THE TABLOIDS IN NEW YORK.

798
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:57,000
IN FACT, MANY, MANY PEOPLE WE

799
00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:58,000
TALKED TO SAID HE CULTIVATED

800
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:00,000
THIS.

801
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:03,000
HE LOVED BEING IN THE NEWSPAPER

802
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:04,000
ABOUT THIS WOMAN, AND NOW ALONG

803
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,000
CAME -- AND THAT WOMAN.

804
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:08,000
AND ALONG CAME MARLA MAPLES WITH

805
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,000
A GREAT NAME, FORMER BEAUTY

806
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,000
PAGEANT WINNER IN GEORGIA.

807
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:13,000
IT WASN'T EVEN, LIKE, MISS

808
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,000
GEORGIA, IT WAS LIKE MISS PEACH.

809
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:20,000
[LAUGHTER]

810
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:22,000
BUT SHE WAS, OBVIOUSLY, VERY

811
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,000
GOOD LOOKING AND YOUNGER, AND IN

812
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,000
THE END HE GOT DIVORCED FROM

813
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:27,000
IVANA, MARRIED MARLA.

814
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:29,000
WHERE IS SHE?
SHE'S GONE.

815
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:30,000
YOU DON'T SEE HER AT ALL DURING

816
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:32,000
THIS CAMPAIGN.

817
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:36,000
IT IS REALLY STUNNING

818
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,000
ESPECIALLY -- AND THE LAST THING

819
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,000
I JUST POSTED A STORY A COUPLE

820
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:41,000
HOURS AGO, TODAY, ABOUT HIS

821
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:43,000
CURRENT WIFE -- OR I SHOULD SAY

822
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:45,000
HIS THIRD WIFE, BECAUSE IF YOU

823
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:46,000
SAY HIS CURRENT WIFE, PEOPLE

824
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:47,000
THINK THERE'S MORE COMING.

825
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:50,000
[LAUGHTER]

826
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:52,000
BUT ANYWAY, SO HIS THIRD WIFE --

827
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,000
[LAUGHTER]

828
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:57,000
MELANIA TRUMP.

829
00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:58,000
SHE WAS -- SHE HAS NOT BEEN

830
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,000
HEARD OF SINCE THE REPUBLICAN

831
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:01,000
NATIONAL CONVENTION ON THE 21ST

832
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,000
OF JULY.

833
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:06,000
WE'RE IN THE HOME STRETCH OF A

834
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,000
PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN WHERE IF

835
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:09,000
HE WINS, SHE IS THE FIRST LADY

836
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:10,000
OF THE UNITED STATES.

837
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,000
SHE HAS AN OFFICE IN THE WHITE

838
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:14,000
HOUSE, SHE HAS A PUBLIC

839
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:15,000
PLATFORM, AND SHE HAS LITERALLY

840
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,000
GONE SILENT.

841
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,000
IT'S VERY, VERY UNUSUAL.

842
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:21,000
AS MANY THINGS IN THIS CAMPAIGN

843
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:22,000
ARE UNUSUAL.

844
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,000
OKAY.

845
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,000
SO THREE WIVES, ALL OF THEM ARE

846
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,000
NOT TALKING WHILE THE KIDS ARE.

847
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,000
BUT JUST IF I COULD FOR A

848
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:31,000
MINUTE, LET'S GO BACK, ROLL

849
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:33,000
BACK.

850
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:35,000
SINCE WE'RE A BOOK ON HIS LIFE

851
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,000
ABOUT WHAT IT USED TO BE ABOUT
DONALD AND WOMEN.

852
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:38,000
HE USED TO GO ON HOWARD STERN,

853
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:39,000
FOR INSTANCE.

854
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:41,000
HE'S THE SHOCK JOCK.

855
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,000
AND HE WOULD GO ON ALL THE TIME,

856
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,000
AND STERN WOULD SAY, DONALD,

857
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:49,000
WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT DIANE

858
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:50,000
SAWYER, WOULD YOU DO HER, YOU

859
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:51,000
KNOW?

860
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,000
AND ALL THIS KIND OF TALK.

861
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:54,000
AND THEY WOULD -- AND WITH MUCH

862
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,000
MORE GRAPHIC THAN THAT.

863
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:57,000
AND HE WAS ALWAYS TALKING ABOUT

864
00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,000
WOMEN, HE WAS ALWAYS TALKING

865
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:00,000
ABOUT HOW PRINCESS DIANA GOT

866
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:03,000
AWAY FROM HIM, YOU KNOW?

867
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:05,000
IF HE ONLY HAD A CHANCE REALLY

868
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,000
TO GO, YOU KNOW?

869
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,000
BUT WOMEN DEFINED HIM.

870
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:10,000
AND I THINK WHEN WE TALK TO

871
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:11,000
PEOPLE WHO KNOW HIM, WHO KNEW

872
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:14,000
HIM IN THE '80s, THE '90s,

873
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:16,000
THEY SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT?

874
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:18,000
THERE WERE A LOT OF RICH PEOPLE
IN NEW YORK.

875
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:19,000
THERE WERE A LOT OF RICH PEOPLE

876
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,000
WHO HAD BUILDINGS IN NEW YORK,

877
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:22,000
BUT THERE WAS ONLY ONE DONALD

878
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,000
TRUMP WHO WAS ALWAYS IN THE

879
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:25,000
PAPER WITH SOME OTHER BABE WHO

880
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:26,000
WANTED HIM.

881
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:27,000
AND THAT WAS A DIRECT QUOTE FROM

882
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:29,000
SOMEONE WHO KNEW HIM.

883
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,000
SO I THINK FOR A LONG TIME WOMEN

884
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:33,000
GOT ATTENTION FOR DONALD TRUMP.

885
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:34,000
AND FOR SOME REASON, I THINK HE

886
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:35,000
LIKED ATTENTION.

887
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:38,000
[LAUGHTER]

888
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,000
AND I THINK THAT HE, WHEN YOU GO

889
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:41,000
TO HIS OFFICE, I'VE INTERVIEWED

890
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,000
HIM IN HIS OFFICE, AND I'VE

891
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,000
TALKED TO MELANIA ON THE PHONE

892
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,000
IT'S VERY STRIKING THAT THERE'S

893
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,000
ONLY REALLY GOOD LOOKING WOMEN

894
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,000
IN THE OFFICE.

895
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:53,000
HE TALKS ABOUT WOMEN'S

896
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,000
APPEARANCES NONSTOP.

897
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,000
I MEAN, HE'S 70 YEARS OLD, AND I

898
00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,000
KNOW A LOT OF OLDER PEOPLE

899
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:00,000
OFTEN, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY SEE

900
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:02,000
SOMEBODY, THEY SAY IT, BUT IT'S

901
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,000
VERY UNUSUAL TO HAVE A
PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE -- AND

902
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:05,000
HE'S GETTING TRIPPED UP ON THIS

903
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,000
EVERY SO OFTEN BECAUSE

904
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:09,000
APPEARANCES DO MATTER.

905
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,000
SO IN CONTRAST TO THE OLD DAYS

906
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:12,000
WHERE HE JUST LOVED TALKING

907
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:15,000
ABOUT DONALD TRUMP ASK WOMEN --

908
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,000
AND WOMEN, WE DON'T HEAR FROM
THEM ANYMORE.

909
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,000
>> MARY HAD AN ESPECIALLY

910
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,000
REVEALING INTERVIEW WITH DONALD

911
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,000
TRUMP'S LAWYER ABOUT THIS

912
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:26,000
QUESTION OF HOW TRUMP HAD SPENT

913
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,000
YEARS AND YEARS CULTIVATING THIS

914
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:29,000
PLAYBOY IMAGE AND INVITING

915
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:30,000
REPORTERS TO COME OUT AND SEE

916
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,000
HIM AT A CLUB WHEN HE WOULD BE

917
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:37,000
THERE WITH THE PRETTIEST MODELS,

918
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:38,000
AND YET HIS LAWYER TOLD YOU THAT

919
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,000
WHEN THE CAMERAS WERE TURNED

920
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:41,000
OFF, IT WAS ACTUALLY A VERY

921
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:44,000
DIFFERENT KIND OF DYNAMIC.

922
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:45,000
>> WELL, HE WOULD GO TO ALL THE

923
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:48,000
NIGHTCLUB OPENINGS, STUDIO 54

924
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:49,000
IN THE DAY.

925
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:51,000
YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY DURING THIS

926
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:52,000
GAP WHEN HE WASN'T MARRIED.

927
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,000
THERE WAS A TIME AFTER MARLA

928
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,000
MAPLES AND BEFORE MELANIA THAT

929
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:57,000
HE WASN'T MARRIED, AND HE

930
00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:58,000
BLITZED THE SCENE.

931
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:00,000
BUT HE WAS VERY CAREFUL ABOUT

932
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:02,000
HOW HE SPENT HIS TIME, BECAUSE

933
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,000
IT WAS WHERE THERE WERE CAMERAS.

934
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,000
AND HE WAS ALWAYS WITH MODELS.

935
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,000
HE WOULD CALL MODELING AGENCIES

936
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,000
UP AND, IN FACT, WHEN HE HAD

937
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:14,000
PARTIES, MAKE SURE THAT HIS OWN

938
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:15,000
PARTIES HAD A RATIO OF 5 TO 1

939
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,000
GORGEOUS WOMEN TO MEN.

940
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:18,000
AND HE WAS, YOU KNOW, CONSTANTLY

941
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:19,000
SURROUNDING HIMSELF WITH WOMEN

942
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:22,000
AND AT OPENINGS.

943
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:23,000
SO I SAID TO HIS LAWYER, DICK

944
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,000
GOLDBERG, I SAID, YOU KNOW, HOW

945
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,000
DID HE HAVE TIME FOR THIS?

946
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:28,000
HE'S ALWAYS TELLING ME THAT

947
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:29,000
WORK, HOW COULD I DO ALL THIS

948
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:30,000
STUFF, MARY?

949
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:31,000
I MEAN, I'M WORKING.

950
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:32,000
I HAVE ALL THIS MONEY AND

951
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,000
RESPONSIBILITY, I HAVE GREAT

952
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:35,000
BUILDINGS, HAVE YOU SEEN MY

953
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,000
GREAT BUILDINGS?
[LAUGHTER]

954
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:38,000
YOU KNOW, THIS IS HOW HE TALKS.

955
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,000
HOW COULD I POSSIBLY HAVE BEEN

956
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:43,000
WITH ALL THESE WOMEN.

957
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:44,000
SO I ASKED GOLDBERG, AND HE

958
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,000
AGREED COMPLETELY.

959
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,000
ACTUALLY, HE'S ON TRUMP TOWER,

960
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,000
AND HE WORKS IN PART OF IT, HE

961
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:51,000
REALLY JUST LIKES TO TURN THE

962
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:52,000
ELEVATOR UP AND TURN ON THE TUBE

963
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,000
AND WATCH TV.

964
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:55,000
SO I SAID TO TRUMP, AND THEN

965
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:57,000
TRUMP SAID, WELL, YOU KNOW

966
00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:01,000
MAYBE IT WASN'T AS GLAMOROUS AS

967
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,000
IT'S ALL OUT TO BE.

968
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,000
SO, I MEAN, IMAGE, YOU KNOW, HE

969
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,000
WAS GREAT AT GETTING ATTENTION.

970
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,000
HOW MANY WOMEN DID HE REALLY

971
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:10,000
HAVE AND HOW MUCH TV DID HE

972
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:11,000
HAVE, I DON'T KNOW.

973
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:12,000
[LAUGHTER]

974
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:13,000
>> ROBERT SAMUELS IS A NATIONAL

975
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:15,000
POLITICAL REPORTER AT THE POST

976
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,000
AND ROBERT LOOKED INTO THE

977
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:18,000
TRANSITION THAT DONALD TRUMP

978
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,000
MADE FROM CELEBRITY TO

979
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:23,000
POLITICIAN AND THE ROOTS OF HIS

980
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:25,000
INTEREST IN RUNNING FOR OFFICE.

981
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:27,000
AND TELL US A LITTLE BIT -- DID

982
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,000
HE SEE THIS AS A COMPLETELY

983
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:31,000
DIFFERENT KIND OF PURSUIT, OR

984
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:32,000
WAS IT KIND OF A NATURAL

985
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:33,000
PROGRESSION FOR HIM?

986
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:34,000
>> RIGHT.

987
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,000
WELL, ONE OF THE GOVERNING

988
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,000
QUESTIONS THAT I WAS REALLY

989
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,000
INTERESTED IN FINDING WAS WHY IS

990
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:43,000
THIS MAN DOING THIS?

991
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:45,000
AND IT WAS VERY CLEAR FROM

992
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:48,000
SPEAKING WITH PEOPLE WHO KNEW

993
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:49,000
HIM THAT AT SOME POINT HE DIDN'T

994
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:53,000
REALIZE THE PHENOMENA AND THE

995
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,000
MOVEMENT THAT WE'VE SEEN SWEEP

996
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:57,000
ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

997
00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:58,000
WHAT WE KNOW THROUGH HIS

998
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,000
POLITICAL LIFE AND HIS

999
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,000
AFFILIATION IS THAT HE DIDN'T

1000
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:03,000
REALLY HAVE MUCH STOMACH FOR

1001
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,000
PARTISAN PRINCIPLES.

1002
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:07,000
BETWEEN 1999 AND 2012, HE

1003
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:08,000
CHANGED POLITICAL PARTIES SEVEN

1004
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:09,000
TIMES.

1005
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,000
[LAUGHTER]

1006
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:15,000
HE'S DONATED BETWEEN 1995 AND

1007
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:19,000
2012, HE DONATED $3.1 MILLION BY

1008
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:22,000
HIMSELF WITHOUT LOOKING AT HIS

1009
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:23,000
COMPANIES TO ALL SORTS OF

1010
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,000
POLITICIANS.

1011
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:27,000
HE DONATED TO CLINTON, HE
DONATED TO CARTER.

1012
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:29,000
HE LOVED RONALD REAGAN.

1013
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,000
SO WHAT IS THIS ABOUT REALLY.

1014
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:33,000
AND TO DO THAT, WE STARTED

1015
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,000
LOOKING AT LOTS AND LOTS OF

1016
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:37,000
FOOTAGE AND INTERVIEWS THAT HE'S
DONE OVER THE YEARS.

1017
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:40,000
AND WE TALKED SOME PEOPLE INTO

1018
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:43,000
SHOWING US THE UNAIRED, UNEDITED

1019
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:47,000
VERSIONS OF THIS, OF THESE
TAPES.

1020
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,000
AND AND EARLY ON FROM HIS VERY

1021
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:51,000
FIRST MAJOR NETWORK TELEVISION

1022
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,000
INTERVIEW IN 1980, WE SEE A

1023
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:54,000
THEME THAT STARTS TO EMERGE.

1024
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,000
HE'S TALKING ABOUT A BUILDING,

1025
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,000
AND THEN HE BEGINS TO RAIL ON

1026
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,000
THE IDEA THAT AMERICA'S BEING

1027
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:01,000
LAUGHED AT.

1028
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,000
THAT THERE'S SOMETHING THAT'S

1029
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:04,000
HAPPENING IN THE POLITICAL

1030
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,000
SYSTEM WHERE LEADERS AREN'T

1031
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,000
STRONG ENOUGH LIKE THEY USED TO
BE.

1032
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,000
AND HE BEGINS TO PONDER WHETHER

1033
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:13,000
OR NOT POLITICIANS TODAY CAN BE

1034
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:16,000
LIKE AN ABRAHAM LINCOLN.

1035
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,000
AND HE SAYS ABRAHAM LINCOLN

1036
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,000
COULD NEVER WIN IN 1980 BECAUSE

1037
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,000
HE WAS TOO UGLY, HE DID NOT LOOK

1038
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,000
GOOD ON TV, AND HE DIDN'T KNOW

1039
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:25,000
HOW TO MASTER THE MEDIA.

1040
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,000
AND THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED

1041
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:30,000
STATES IN THIS MODERN ERA NEEDS

1042
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,000
TO KNOW HOW TO DO THESE SKILLS.

1043
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:35,000
AND AND SO WHAT WE SEE OVER THE

1044
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,000
COURSE OF TIME IS DONALD TRUMP

1045
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,000
ASSESSING POLITICSES AND

1046
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:43,000
PRESIDENTS ON -- POLITICIANS AND

1047
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:45,000
PRESIDENTS ON THEIR ABILITY TO

1048
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,000
AFFECT MESSAGES, TO COMMUNICATE

1049
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:48,000
MESSAGES EFFECTIVELY AND TO

1050
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:51,000
FIGURE OUT WHETHER OR NOT THEY

1051
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:54,000
MAKE THE COUNTRY FEEL GREAT

1052
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:59,000
AGAIN AND EVERYONE DOES A PRETTY

1053
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,000
GREAT JOB UNTIL OBAMA WHO HE

1054
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,000
CONSIDERS A TOTAL DISASTER.

1055
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:06,000
BY THIS POINT IN 2012, DONALD

1056
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,000
TRUMP HAS MASTERED THE CELEBRITY

1057
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:10,000
THAT HE SAYS THOSE GREAT MINDS

1058
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,000
IN 1980 DID NOT MASTER.

1059
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,000
HE'S BECOME THE STAR OF "THE

1060
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,000
APPRENTICE," HE HAS THIS TWITTER

1061
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,000
FOLLOWING THAT EVERYONE ENJOYS
BECAUSE HE'S TALKING ABOUT

1062
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:19,000
EVERYTHING FROM WHETHER OR NOT

1063
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:20,000
BARACK OBAMA'S FROM THE UNITED

1064
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:23,000
STATES TO WHETHER OR NOT KATY

1065
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:24,000
PERRY'S MARRIAGES ARE GOING TO

1066
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,000
WORK OUT.

1067
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:29,000
AND HE DECIDES THAT HE IS, IN

1068
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,000
FACT, THE PERSON WHO COULD BEST

1069
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,000
SYMBOLIZE THE GREATNESS AND

1070
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:34,000
TOUGH LEADERSHIP OF AMERICA.

1071
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:37,000
AND SO THERE'S A LOT OF, THERE'S

1072
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:38,000
BEEN A LOT OF SKEPTICISM ABOUT

1073
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:39,000
WHETHER OR NOT DONALD TRUMP

1074
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:42,000
WANTED TO DO THIS, WHETHER HE

1075
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:43,000
WANTED TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT.

1076
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:45,000
BUT IT IS TRUE THAT DAYS AFTER

1077
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:48,000
ROMNEY LOST THAT ELECTION, HE

1078
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:49,000
WAS THE ONE WHO FILED AN

1079
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,000
APPLICATION TO THE PATENT

1080
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,000
OFFICE, AND HE COPYRIGHTED ONE

1081
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,000
PHRASE, AND THAT PHRASE WAS MAKE

1082
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:58,000
AMERICA GREAT AGAIN.

1083
00:33:58,000 --> 00:33:59,000
AND SO YOU SEE THE THEMATICS OF

1084
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:03,000
HIS CAMPAIGN STARTING FROM EARLY

1085
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:04,000
ON IN HIS PUBLIC PERSONA, BUT IT

1086
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,000
HAD BEEN SOMETHING HE HAD BEEN

1087
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,000
THINKING ABOUT AND TOYING AROUND

1088
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,000
WITH FOR SEVERAL DECADES.

1089
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:11,000
>> GREAT.

1090
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:15,000
THERE'S ONE PIECE OF VIDEO THAT

1091
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,000
YOU GOT FROM IT WAS AN OLD RONA

1092
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,000
BARRETT CELEBRITY INTERVIEW FROM

1093
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,000
THE 1980s WHICH HAD NEVER
AIRED.

1094
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:23,000
YOU GOT PARTS THAT HAD NEVER

1095
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,000
AIRED, AND HE WAS REMARKABLY

1096
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:27,000
SIMILAR IN THE WAY HE TALKED

1097
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:28,000
ABOUT POLITICAL ISSUES, BUT HE

1098
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:31,000
WAS ALSO VERY FRANK ABOUT THE

1099
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:33,000
SORT OF DYNAMIC OF WHAT WAS

1100
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:34,000
MAKING HIM DECIDE TO RUN OR NOT

1101
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:35,000
TO RUN.

1102
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:37,000
>> IT'S INTERESTING, AND MAYBE

1103
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:38,000
IT'S BECAUSE IT WAS SO EARLY IN

1104
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:43,000
DONALD TRUMP'S POLITICAL CAREER,

1105
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:44,000
BUT RONA BARRETT REALLY GOT

1106
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:47,000
PROBABLY THE BEST INFORMATION

1107
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:50,000
OUT OF DONALD TRUMP THAN ANY

1108
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:51,000
INTERVIEW THAT I HAD SEEN, US

1109
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:52,000
NOTWITHSTANDING.

1110
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:55,000
[LAUGHTER]

1111
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:56,000
AND YOU SEE, YOU SEE HIM GOING

1112
00:34:56,000 --> 00:35:01,000
THROUGH -- HE SAID -- RONA

1113
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:02,000
BARRETT ASKS HIM, DO YOU WANT TO

1114
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,000
BE PRESIDENT?

1115
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:06,000
HE SAID, NO, I LOVE BUILDING.

1116
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:09,000
I'M AN ARTIST, I LOVE BUILDING
MY BUILDINGS.

1117
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:10,000
AND OVER TIME IT REALLY AFFECTS

1118
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:11,000
HIM.

1119
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:14,000
AND HE STARTS TO TAKE TO THIS

1120
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,000
IDEA THAT, HUH, MAYBE ONE DAY I

1121
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:17,000
COULD BE PRESIDENT.

1122
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,000
PARTICULARLY BECAUSE PEOPLE

1123
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:20,000
CONTINUOUSLY ASK HIM WHETHER OR

1124
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:22,000
NOT HE WANTS TO BE THE PRESIDENT

1125
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:25,000
OF THE UNITED STATES.

1126
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:26,000
>> AND HE SHOWS UP IN POLLS

1127
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:27,000
THROUGH THE DECADES AGAIN AND

1128
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,000
AGAIN NOT BECAUSE HE WAS RUNNING

1129
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,000
FOR ANYTHING, BUT BECAUSE OF HIS

1130
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,000
NAME RECOGNITION PEOPLE PUT HIM

1131
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,000
ON POLLS AND HE DID VERY WELL.

1132
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:36,000
SO IT KIND OF BUILT.

1133
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,000
BUT WE WANT TO TURN IT OVER TO

1134
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:39,000
ALL OF YOU TO TAKE YOUR

1135
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:41,000
QUESTIONS, SO IF YOU WANT TO

1136
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:42,000
RAISE YOUR HAND, ONE OF THE

1137
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:45,000
FOLKS WITH THE MICROPHONES WILL

1138
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,000
COME BY AND START -- MA'AM?

1139
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:49,000
GO AHEAD YEP.

1140
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:50,000
>> COULD YOU DISCUSS HIS

1141
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:51,000
PERSONALITY?

1142
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,000
WAS HE WARM?

1143
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:54,000
DID HE LOOK YOU IN THE EYE?

1144
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,000
WAS HE RESERVED?

1145
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,000
DID YOU SEE HIM WITH MELANIA?

1146
00:35:58,000 --> 00:35:59,000
A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HIS

1147
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:00,000
PERSONALITY.
>> SURE.

1148
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:02,000
IN OUR INTERVIEWS AT TRUMP

1149
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,000
TOWER, THEY WERE IN HIS OFFICE

1150
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:06,000
ON THE 26TH FLOOR WITH THIS

1151
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:09,000
GLORIOUS VIEW OF CENTRAL PARK

1152
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:10,000
AND FIFTH AVENUE, AND HE WAS

1153
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:14,000
VERY COURTEOUS AND WAS, YOU

1154
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:15,000
KNOW, AS I SAID BEFORE, QUITE

1155
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,000
GENEROUS WITH HIS TIME.

1156
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:20,000
WE NEVER SAW MELANIA.

1157
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,000
HIS KIDS WOULD WANDER IN.

1158
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:23,000
IVANKA AND ERIC WOULD WANDER IN

1159
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:24,000
FROM TIME TO

1160
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,000
FROM TIME TO TIME AND TALK WITH

1161
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,000
HIM ABOUT A BUSINESS TRIP THEY

1162
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,000
WERE GOING ON OR A PROBLEM AT

1163
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:33,000
THE PROPERTY IN MIAMI.

1164
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:34,000
BUT HE'S VERY SOFT SPOKEN IN

1165
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,000
THAT SETTING.

1166
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,000
YOU GET NONE OF THE BLUSTER THAT

1167
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:39,000
WE'RE FAMILIAR WITH FROM THE

1168
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,000
RALLIES.

1169
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:42,000
AND HE, ON THE OTHER HAND, IT IS

1170
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:43,000
DIFFICULT TO HAVE A LINEAR

1171
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:45,000
CONVERSATION WITH HIM.

1172
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:46,000
YOU CAN ASK HIM ABOUT STUFF, AND

1173
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:49,000
HE KNOWS HIS FIELD

1174
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:51,000
EXTRAORDINARILY WELL.

1175
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:54,000
IF YOU ASK HIM ABOUT BUSINESS

1176
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:57,000
DEALS HE MADE IN 1978, HE WILL

1177
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,000
REMEMBER BUILDING MATERIALS AND

1178
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,000
SUBCONTRACTORS' NAMES AND THE

1179
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:02,000
WHOLE PROCESS OF MAKING, OF

1180
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:04,000
WORKING THROUGH A NEGOTIATION.

1181
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:07,000
BUT IF YOU ASK HIM ANYTHING THAT

1182
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:10,000
VEERS OFF OF WHAT HE KNOWS BEST,

1183
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,000
THE KNOWLEDGE BASE IS VERY THIN,

1184
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,000
AND HE TENDS TO CHANGE THE TOPIC

1185
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,000
VERY QUICKLY, A SENTENCE OR TWO,

1186
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,000
AND HE'S OFF ON TO SOMETHING

1187
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:20,000
ELSE.

1188
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:22,000
HE HAS HIS SORT OF BASE TOPICS

1189
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,000
THAT HE GOES BACK TO WHEN HE'S A

1190
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:25,000
LITTLE BIT FLUSTERED ABOUT NOT
KNOWING SOMETHING.

1191
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:26,000
HE'LL ALL OF A SUDDEN START

1192
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:27,000
TALKING ABOUT HIS TV RATINGS.

1193
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:28,000
>> HE'S --

1194
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,000
>> THERE WAS ANOTHER THING THAT

1195
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,000
HE WOULD DO, I SPOKE TO HIM ONLY

1196
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,000
ON THE PHONE SEVERAL TIMES.

1197
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:35,000
IF HE WAS PRESSED ON SOMETHING

1198
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:38,000
HE WOULD ALMOST SEEM TO GET

1199
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:39,000
CAUGHT IN A GROOVE, AND HE WOULD

1200
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,000
REPEAT THE SAME THING OVER AND

1201
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:43,000
OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

1202
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:45,000
AND SOMETIMES ONE OF MY

1203
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:46,000
COLLEAGUES, DREW, WAS ESPECIALLY

1204
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:48,000
ADEPT AT THIS, HE WOULD SORT OF

1205
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,000
SAY, MR. TRUMP, MR. TRUMP, AND

1206
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,000
KIND OF BRING HIM BACK --
[LAUGHTER]

1207
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:53,000
ON COURSE, AND THEN WE'D MOVE

1208
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:55,000
ON.

1209
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,000
BUT SORT OF JOKING ASIDE, IT WAS

1210
00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:00,000
REALLY A PRONOUNCED THING TO BE

1211
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:01,000
TALKING WITH SOMEONE WHO SEEMED

1212
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:02,000
TO VEER OFF AND GET CAUGHT MANY

1213
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:04,000
A GROOVE.

1214
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:05,000
>> HE'S A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT

1215
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,000
PERSON, I THINK, IN PERSON.

1216
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:08,000
HE'S REALLY CHARMING, HE'S VERY

1217
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:09,000
NICE, HE KNOWS YOUR NAME, HE

1218
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,000
LOOKS AT YOU.

1219
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:13,000
I MEAN, EVERYONE SAYS THAT.

1220
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:14,000
IT'S NOT THIS BOMBASTIC GUY THAT

1221
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:15,000
YOU SEE ON TV.

1222
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,000
AND EVERYBODY THAT'S WORKED WITH

1223
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,000
HIM OVER THE YEARS SAY I TURN ON

1224
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:21,000
THE TV -- I WORKED WITH THIS GUY

1225
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:22,000
FOR 20 YEARS, TURN ON THE TV, I

1226
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,000
DON'T KNOW WHO THIS IS.

1227
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:26,000
>> THIS GENTLEMAN HERE.

1228
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:29,000
YEP.

1229
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:32,000
>> MOST OF -- I'M COURTEOUS --

1230
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:34,000
CURIOUS OF THE ASPECTS OF

1231
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:35,000
TRUMP'S LIFE AND THE EXPERIENCES

1232
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,000
THAT YOU RESEARCHED, WHAT OF THE

1233
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:40,000
CHALLENGES OR SITUATIONS WERE

1234
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:44,000
MOST ANALOGOUS TO THE KINDS OF

1235
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:47,000
CHALLENGES A PRESIDENT FACES?

1236
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:48,000
AND WHAT CAN WE LEARN FROM

1237
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:49,000
THOSE?

1238
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:53,000
I MEAN, YOU'VE, YOUR BOOK HAS

1239
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:55,000
RESEARCHED, AND I'M LOOKING

1240
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,000
FORWARD TO THE CHANCE TO READ

1241
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:59,000
IT, HOW HE DEALT WITH WOMEN, HOW

1242
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:00,000
HE DEALT WITH CELEBRITY, YOU

1243
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:03,000
KNOW, AND BUSINESS DEALS, BUT

1244
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:05,000
THIS IS CLEARLY NOT A DIRECT

1245
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:08,000
ANALOGY TO WHAT A PRESIDENT

1246
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:09,000
WOULD FACE.
>> RIGHT.

1247
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:12,000
>> AND SO WHAT CAN WE LEARN ARE,

1248
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:17,000
WHAT IS MOST INSTRUCTIVE IN THIS

1249
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,000
IN UNDERSTANDING WHAT HE WOULD

1250
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:20,000
BE ACTUALLY LIKE AS A PRESIDENT?

1251
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:22,000
>> MICHAEL?

1252
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:24,000
>> WELL, YOU KNOW, IT'S A GREAT
QUESTION.

1253
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:25,000
AND THE PARALLEL IS WHAT HE DID

1254
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:26,000
RUNNING HIS BUSINESSES.

1255
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:28,000
AND NEARLY ALL THE BUSINESSES

1256
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:30,000
THAT HE RAN WERE PRIVATE
BUSINESSES.

1257
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:33,000
SO THEY'RE DIFFICULT TO EXAMINE

1258
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:36,000
UNTIL YOU GO THROUGH ANCILLARY

1259
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:37,000
SOURCES LIKE SAKE KNOW -- CASINO

1260
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:39,000
CONTROL COMMISSION RECORDS WHICH

1261
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:40,000
BOB AND OTHER REPORTERS DID, FOR

1262
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,000
EXAMPLE.

1263
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:44,000
HE DID HAVE SIX CORPORATE
BANKRUPTCIES.

1264
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:45,000
HE HAS OFTEN SAID FOUR CORPORATE

1265
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:46,000
BANKRUPTCIES, THIS IS

1266
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:47,000
INSTRUCTIVE TO UNDERSTAND HOW HE

1267
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:49,000
THINKS.
CLEARLY, THERE WERE SIX.

1268
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:51,000
AND WE ASKED HIM TO EXPLAIN WHEN

1269
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:52,000
YOU SAY FOUR, WHAT DO YOU MEAN?

1270
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:54,000
AND HE SAID, WELL, I THINK OF

1271
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:55,000
THE THREE CASINOS AS ONE

1272
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:56,000
BANKRUPTCY.

1273
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:57,000
IN FACT, THERE WERE THREE

1274
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:58,000
SEPARATE COURT ACTIONS FOR

1275
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:00,000
PREPACKAGED BANKRUPTCIES AS

1276
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,000
THEY'RE CALLED, AND THERE

1277
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:04,000
CLEARLY WERE THREE SEPARATE

1278
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:06,000
ONES, BUT TO HIM, IT'S ONE.

1279
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:09,000
PARTLY, HE WANTS TO THE PUT THE

1280
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:11,000
BEST IMAGE OUT THIS.

1281
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,000
THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION, HE

1282
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,000
WAS TOLD BY HIS FATHER DON'T GO

1283
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:16,000
DEEPLY IN DEBT, AND HE ENDED UP

1284
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:19,000
GOING INTO JUNK BONDS.

1285
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:21,000
HE WAS HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OR

1286
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:22,000
EVEN BILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN

1287
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,000
DEBT.
TIME AND AGAIN HE THOUGHT HE WAS

1288
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:25,000
NOT GOING TO SURVIVE.

1289
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:27,000
WE TALKED TO A PERSON WHO WAS,

1290
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:28,000
BASICALLY, GIVEN THE JOB OF

1291
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,000
NEGOTIATING WITH BONDHOLDERS AND

1292
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,000
BANKS, AND THAT PERSON TOLD US

1293
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:34,000
THAT HE WAS VERY CONCERNED.

1294
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:35,000
THIS WAS SOMEONE WHO KNEW DONALD

1295
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,000
TRUMP AS WELL AS ANYBODY, AND HE

1296
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:38,000
WAS VERY CONCERNED ABOUT DONALD

1297
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,000
TRUMP AT THIS MOMENT.

1298
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:42,000
HE SAID I'M LOOKING AT HIM, IT'S

1299
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,000
BANKRUPTCY AFTER BANKRUPTCY.

1300
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:46,000
HE'S IN THE MIDST OF A HUGE
DIVORCE.

1301
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,000
HE'S BEING HUMILIATED DAY AFTER

1302
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:49,000
DAY ON THE FRONT PAGES OF THE

1303
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:51,000
NEWSPAPERS, AND I WORRY THAT

1304
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:52,000
YOU KNOW, HE MIGHT TAKE HIS OWN
LIFE.

1305
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:54,000
IT'S A VERY STRIKING STATEMENT

1306
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:55,000
FOR SOMEONE WHO ACTUALLY FEELS

1307
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:56,000
AFFECTIONATELY ABOUT DONALD

1308
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:58,000
TRUMP.

1309
00:40:58,000 --> 00:40:59,000
AND WHAT HE SAID WAS BUT WHEN I

1310
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:00,000
WALKED INTO THE OFFICE OF DONALD

1311
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:03,000
TRUMP, THERE HE WAS.

1312
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:04,000
HIS SUIT LOOKED PERFECT, HIS TIE

1313
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:05,000
WAS PERFECT AS WELL.

1314
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:06,000
AND HE WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW

1315
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,000
WHAT'S NEXT?

1316
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:09,000
WHAT DO WE DO NEXT?

1317
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:11,000
AND HE HAD THIS ABILITY FOR

1318
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:12,000
WHATEVER REASON TO, INSTEAD OF

1319
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,000
LOOKING AT, OH, MY GOSH, ALL

1320
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:15,000
THESE TERRIBLE PROBLEMS, TO TRY

1321
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:17,000
TO BE THINKING POSITIVELY.

1322
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:20,000
ONE OF HIS MENTORS WAS THE POWER

1323
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:21,000
OF POSITIVE THINKING.

1324
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:22,000
THAT COULD EITHER MEAN HE'S

1325
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:24,000
DETACHED FROM REALITY IF YOU

1326
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:26,000
LOOK AT IT THAT WAY, OR THAT HE

1327
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:27,000
JUST IS SO POSITIVE-ORIENTED

1328
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:28,000
THAT HE DOESN'T WANT TO THINK

1329
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:29,000
ABOUT SOME OF THE DEEP PROBLEMS

1330
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:31,000
HE HAD.

1331
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:32,000
BUT THE REALITY IS, IS THAT

1332
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:34,000
WHILE HE CERTAINLY SAYS HE'S A

1333
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,000
GREAT BUSINESS PERSON, THAT HIS

1334
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:37,000
BUSINESSES HAD TROUBLE TIME AND

1335
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:39,000
TIME AGAIN.

1336
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:40,000
DREW CAN TALK MORE, HE'S HERE IN

1337
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:41,000
THE AUDIENCE, A REPORTER WHO

1338
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:43,000
WORKED ON THIS.

1339
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:45,000
BUT HE HAD A PUBLIC COMPANY AT

1340
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:46,000
ONE POINT, ONE TIME ONLY

1341
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:47,000
BECAUSE HE HAD TO RAISE A LOT OF

1342
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:48,000
CAPITAL.

1343
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:50,000
AND THAT COMPANY DID DO WELL AT

1344
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:53,000
FIRST, IT PAID DONALD TRUMP

1345
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:54,000
MILLIONS OF DOLLARS, DJT FOR HIS

1346
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:55,000
INITIALS.

1347
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,000
BUT THE STOCK PRICE WENT FROM

1348
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:59,000
SOMETHING LIKE $35 TO 17 CENTS

1349
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:00,000
AND THE SHAREHOLDERS WERE VERY

1350
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:01,000
ANGRY, THERE WERE LAWSUITS FILED

1351
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:03,000
THAT WE WRITE ABOUT.

1352
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:04,000
BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT

1353
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:06,000
TRUMP WAS ABLE TO SURVIVE.

1354
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:08,000
IT'S ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF BEING AT

1355
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:09,000
THE ABSOLUTE DEPTHS AND FINDING

1356
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:12,000
A WAY FOR HIMSELF TO SURVIVE.

1357
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:14,000
AND THIS IS INSTRUCTIVE.

1358
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,000
THIS IS, YOU KNOW, DONALD TRUMP

1359
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:17,000
VIEWS IT AS, YOU KNOW, I AM

1360
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:20,000
THERE.

1361
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:21,000
HIS WORDS ARE I'M A ONE-MAN
ARMY.

1362
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:23,000
AND HE TALKED IN ONE OF HIS

1363
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:24,000
BOOKS ABOUT THE POWER OF

1364
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:26,000
NARCISSISM, FOR EXAMPLE.

1365
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:28,000
HE CITED A BOOK BY THAT NAME

1366
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:30,000
AND HE SAID IT'S A VERY POWERFUL
THING.

1367
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:31,000
IF YOU WANT TO BE SUCCESSFUL

1368
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:33,000
YOU HAVE TO THINK IN THAT SORT

1369
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:34,000
OF TUNNEL VISION WAY ONLY ABOUT

1370
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:36,000
MAKING SURE THAT YOU DO SURVIVE.

1371
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,000
AND ANOTHER ONE OF HIS POINTS IN

1372
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:40,000
THE BOOK, THINK LIKE A

1373
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:41,000
BILLIONAIRE, HE ADVISE ARES THAT

1374
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:43,000
YOU HAVE A, QUOTE, SHORT

1375
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:46,000
ATTENTION SPAN, UNQUOTE.

1376
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:48,000
SO EITHER HE SEES THAT AS AN

1377
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:49,000
ATTRIBUTE OR HE KNOWS HE HAS

1378
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,000
THIS PARTICULAR DISPOSITION, AND

1379
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:52,000
HE TRIES TO PUT IT IN THE MOST

1380
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:53,000
POSITIVE WAY.

1381
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:54,000
BUT EXAMINING THAT BUSINESS

1382
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:56,000
CAREER AND SEEING, YOU KNOW, AS

1383
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:58,000
WE TRY TO DO IN BOOK, YOU KNOW

1384
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:00,000
THE PEAKS AND THE VALLEYS AND

1385
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:01,000
EXACT ARELY HOW HE'S OPERATED,

1386
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:03,000
IT SEEMS TO BE THE BEST GUIDE

1387
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:04,000
FOR HOW HE MIGHT TRY TO OPERATE

1388
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:05,000
AS --

1389
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:06,000
>> ONE HUGE QUESTION COMES UP

1390
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:08,000
THERE.
HE IS THE FIRST PRESIDENT WHO

1391
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:10,000
HAS A LOT OF FOREIGN HOLDINGS AS

1392
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:11,000
PEOPLE LOOK AT HIS FOREIGN

1393
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:12,000
POLICY, YOU KNOW?

1394
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:14,000
HE'S EXPANDING ABROAD.

1395
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:16,000
KEVIN SULLIVAN IS HERE, WENT TO

1396
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:19,000
ASKER
AZERBAIJAN.

1397
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:20,000
WE HAD REPORTERS LOOKING AT HIS

1398
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,000
DEALINGS IN MOSCOW, IN PANAMA,

1399
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:24,000
AND WE'VE NEVER HAD ANYBODY WHO

1400
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:25,000
WOULD BE IN THE WHITE HOUSE WHO

1401
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:28,000
HAS THEIR GLOBAL BUSINESS
EMPIRE.

1402
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:29,000
AND SO YOUR GOOD QUESTION IS HOW

1403
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:31,000
WOULD THIS WORK?

1404
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:33,000
IS HE GOING TO DIVEST, AND IS IT

1405
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:35,000
ENOUGH TO DIVEST HIMSELF?

1406
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:38,000
IS THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION WITH
THE KIDS?

1407
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:39,000
I MEAN, THE VALUE GOES UP OF HIS

1408
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:40,000
HOLDINGS ALL AROUND THE WORLD.

1409
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:41,000
AND HE IS INCREASING HIS

1410
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:43,000
WORLDWIDE HOLDINGS.

1411
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:44,000
IT GOES UP IF HE'S IN THE WHITE

1412
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:45,000
HOUSE.

1413
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:47,000
>> YOU KNOW, IF YOU THINK ABOUT

1414
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:50,000
WHAT DO PRESIDENTS DO, THEY

1415
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:51,000
SYNTHESIZE INFORMATION AND COME

1416
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:53,000
TO DECISIONS.

1417
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:55,000
THEY PERSUADE PEOPLE OF THEIR

1418
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:57,000
POSITIONS, AND THEY HAVE A

1419
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:59,000
PROGRAM OF SOME KIND.

1420
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:00,000
WELL, DONALD TRUMP IS NOT

1421
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:01,000
SOMEONE WHO TAKES IN INFORMATION

1422
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:03,000
VERY DEEPLY.

1423
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:06,000
WE ASKED HIM ABOUT HOW HE MAKES

1424
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:07,000
DECISIONS, WHAT HE READS, AND HE

1425
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:09,000
SAYS HE DOESN'T READ REPORTS OR

1426
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:11,000
BRIEFINGS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

1427
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:12,000
HE DOESN'T LIKE TO READ ANYTHING

1428
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:14,000
OF ANY LENGTH.

1429
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:17,000
HE BELIEVES THAT HE COMES TO

1430
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:19,000
DECISIONS BY GUT, BY STINT.
INSTINCT.

1431
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:21,000
SO HE VERY MUCH WANTS PEOPLE TO

1432
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:22,000
COME IN AND TELL HIM ABOUT

1433
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:23,000
SOMETHING ORALLY, AND HE

1434
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:25,000
BELIEVES THAT HE WILL GET THE

1435
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:27,000
NUB OF IT IN A MATTER OF
SECONDS.

1436
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:29,000
HE'S, OBVIOUSLY, VERY GOOD AT

1437
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:30,000
PERSUADING PEOPLE THAT HE KNOWS

1438
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:33,000
A WAY FORWARD.

1439
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:34,000
BUT WHEN ET COMES TO PERSUADING

1440
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:37,000
PEOPLE INDIVIDUALLY IN THE WAY

1441
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:39,000
THAT A PRESIDENT HAS TO TO FORM

1442
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:40,000
COALITIONS AND ACHIEVE

1443
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:42,000
COMPROMISES, THAT'S SOMETHING

1444
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:43,000
THAT HE'S DONE VERY LITTLE OF IN

1445
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:45,000
HIS CAREER.

1446
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:46,000
HE TALKS ABOUT BEING A GREAT

1447
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:48,000
NEGOTIATOR, AND WE'VE CERTAINLY

1448
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:50,000
SPOKEN TO SOME OF HIS BUSINESS

1449
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:52,000
ASSOCIATES WHO CREDIT HIM FOR

1450
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:53,000
THAT, BUT WE'VE ALSO SPOKEN TO A

1451
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:55,000
LOT OF PEOPLE WHO WORKED WITH

1452
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:59,000
HIM WHO SAY THAT HE'S ALL ABOUT

1453
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:01,000
GETTING HIS WAY, AND HE'S NOT

1454
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:04,000
ONE TO REACH COMPROMISES.

1455
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,000
YES, OVER HERE.

1456
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:11,000
GO AHEAD.

1457
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:13,000
NO, RIGHT HERE.

1458
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:18,000
>> I JUST WONDER, HIS STRONG

1459
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:21,000
ANTI-MEXICAN NARRATIVE IN THIS

1460
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:22,000
CAMPAIGN WHICH HAS PRETTY MUCH

1461
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:24,000
DEFINED THE CAMPAIGN, WHERE DOES

1462
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:27,000
IT COME FROM?

1463
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:29,000
AND DID YOU HAVE PEOPLE IN

1464
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:32,000
MEXICO RESEARCHING OR LOOKING

1465
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:33,000
INTO HIS DEALS THERE?

1466
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:34,000
COULD IT COME FROM HIS

1467
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:35,000
FRUSTRATION?

1468
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:37,000
APPARENTLY, HE DIDN'T DO VERY

1469
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:39,000
WELL DOWN THERE?

1470
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:41,000
>> WELL, I WAS THE BUREAU CHIEF

1471
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:42,000
IN MEXICO FOR FIVE YEARS WITH MY

1472
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,000
HUSBAND, KEN SULLIVAN, AND WE

1473
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:47,000
WENT TO INTERVIEW THE LAST TWO

1474
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:48,000
PRESIDENTS TO TALK ABOUT THIS.

1475
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:51,000
PRESIDENTS FOX AND CALDERON.

1476
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:52,000
AND AS FAR AS WE CAN TELL -- AND

1477
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:54,000
ESPECIALLY HAVING BEEN AT

1478
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:56,000
RALLIES, IT COMES FROM A LOT OF

1479
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:58,000
PEOPLE IN AMERICA LIKE WHAT HE

1480
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:00,000
HAS TO SAY, AND HE KNOWS THAT.

1481
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:02,000
HE GETS REINFORCED EVERY DAY.

1482
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:04,000
IT MAY BE THE MOST POPULIST

1483
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:05,000
THING THAT HE SAYS.

1484
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:07,000
THERE'S NO HINT THAT HE'S

1485
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:10,000
ALWAYS, YOU KNOW NOT LIKED

1486
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:12,000
MEXICO OR ANYTHING.

1487
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:17,000
HIS GIFT IS THAT HE IS SAYING --

1488
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:18,000
THIS IS WHAT WE KEEP HEARING AT

1489
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:20,000
RALLIES AND TALKING TO MILLIONS

1490
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:22,000
OF AMERICANS, THEY'RE FED UP.

1491
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:24,000
AND HE SAYS, AND HE'LL TELL YOU

1492
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:25,000
THAT IN INTERVIEWS, THAT HE'S A

1493
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:27,000
REFLECTION OF WHAT PEOPLE WANT.

1494
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:29,000
YOU KNOW, HE THINKS THAT OUR

1495
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:31,000
IMMIGRATION POLICIES HAVE BEEN

1496
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:34,000
WRONG.

1497
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:35,000
>> TO AMPLIFY THAT, I THINK ONE

1498
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:36,000
THING THAT'S A SAFE BET WITH

1499
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,000
DONALD TRUMP -- ALTHOUGH WE

1500
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:40,000
CAN'T BE SURE OF IT -- IS THAT

1501
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:42,000
HE'S ACTUALLY THE EMBODIMENT OF

1502
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:44,000
A POPULIST POLITICIAN, AND WE'VE

1503
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:45,000
HAD A HISTORY OF THOSE GOING

1504
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:47,000
BACK 200-PLUS YEARS.

1505
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:49,000
AND THEY EMERGE PERIOD CREATE,

1506
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:50,000
AND THE PATTERNS ARE VERY

1507
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:51,000
SIMILAR.

1508
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:53,000
THEY SAY WHAT PEOPLE WANT TO
HEAR.

1509
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:55,000
THEY TRY TO, THEY TRY TO APPEAL

1510
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:57,000
TO PEOPLE'S ANGER AND

1511
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:59,000
FRUSTRATION, AND IT'S POSSIBLE

1512
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:02,000
THAT DONALD TRUMP DOESN'T HAVE

1513
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:04,000
ANY ANIMUS TOWARDS MEXICANS AND

1514
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:06,000
THAT HE'S ONLY PLAYING THE CARDS

1515
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:07,000
THAT HE SEES ARE OUT THERE FOR

1516
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:08,000
HIM TO PLAY WITH.

1517
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:13,000
..

1518
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:47,000
HE WAS CONSIDERING RUNNING AS A

1519
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:49,000
THIRD-PARTY CANDIDATE AGAINST

1520
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:53,000
PAT BUCHANAN.

1521
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:56,000
THE REASON HE DID BETTER IS HE

1522
00:47:56,000 --> 00:48:00,000
WAS ALL ABOUT INCLUSIVENESS.

1523
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:01,000
HE DID NOT LIKE THE WAY PAT

1524
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:02,000
BUCHANAN SPOKE ABOUT PEOPLE

1525
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:03,000
INCLUDING JEWS, BLACKS, GAYS AND

1526
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:05,000
MEXICANS.

1527
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:07,000
WHAT WE ARE SEEING NOW WHEN YOU

1528
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:08,000
GO TO THE RALLIES AND YOU

1529
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:10,000
EXPERIENCE THAT, AND HE SAID IT

1530
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:12,000
HIMSELF, WHEN THE CROWD GETS

1531
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:16,000
LOW, HE LOVES TO BRING OUT THE

1532
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:18,000
ISSUE OF WHO'S GOING TO BUILD

1533
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:20,000
THE WALL BECAUSE THE CROWDS GO

1534
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:23,000
NUTS.

1535
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:24,000
IT'S A WAY TO ADD SOMETHING TO

1536
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:26,000
THE POLITICAL PERSPECTIVE THAT

1537
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:29,000
SOMETHING CAN UNDERSTAND.

1538
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:33,000
FOR HIM THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT.

1539
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:34,000
IN FACT, HE SPOKE TO A NUMBER OF

1540
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:37,000
PEOPLE WHO ARE TALKING TO HIM

1541
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:38,000
ABOUT THE DECISION TO RUN FOR

1542
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:40,000
PRESIDENT.

1543
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:41,000
WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE ISSUES

1544
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:42,000
THAT WERE REALLY IMPORTANT TO

1545
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:43,000
HIM, THE RELATIONSHIP WITH

1546
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:45,000
MEXICO DIDN'T REALLY COME UP.

1547
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:46,000
IN FACT, A A NUMBER OF THEM WERE

1548
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:49,000
A SURPRISE.

1549
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:50,000
HE MADE ALLUSIONS TO RACIST AND

1550
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:51,000
CRIMINAL TALKS IN THE FIRST

1551
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:53,000
SPEECH.

1552
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:55,000
>> ONE OF THE PEOPLE WE SPOKE TO

1553
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:58,000
WHO IS CLOSEST WITH TRUMP GAVE

1554
00:48:58,000 --> 00:48:59,000
US SOME GUIDANCE AND SAID WHEN

1555
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:01,000
YOU'RE TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HIS

1556
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:06,000
MOTIVES, ALWAYS GO FIRST TO THE

1557
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:12,000
FACT THAT HE THINKS OF HIMSELF

1558
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:16,000
AS A SHOWMAN AND HE WANTS TO GET

1559
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:21,000
AFFIRMATION FROM THE CROWD.

1560
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:22,000
>> AND WHEN ASKED ABOUT

1561
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:23,000
SOMETHING THAT'S IMPORTANT WITH

1562
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:24,000
THE PRESIDENT AND THAT IS HIS

1563
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:26,000
TEMPER.

1564
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:30,000
I WANT TO LET YOU KNOW, IN THE

1565
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:32,000
80s AND EARLY '90s I WAS IN

1566
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:34,000
CHARGE OF PROMOTING ATLANTIC
CITY SO I HAVE SOME KNOWLEDGE

1567
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:36,000
ABOUT THIS.

1568
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:39,000
WHEN DONALD TRUMP SAW AN ARTICLE

1569
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:42,000
IN THE ATLANTIC CITY PRESS OR AN

1570
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:43,000
EDITORIAL, HE PULLED THE

1571
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:45,000
NEWSPAPER OFF THE NEWSSTAND AND

1572
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:50,000
ALL OF HIS HOTELS AND ATLANTIC

1573
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:52,000
CITY MAGAZINE WHICH HE OWNED.

1574
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:56,000
HE STOPPED PAYING THE DUES WHICH

1575
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:59,000
WAS 25% OF THE BUDGET.

1576
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:00,000
I ALWAYS THINK OF HIM IS

1577
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:02,000
PETULANT.

1578
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:05,000
I WAS WONDERING IF YOU FOUND IN
YOUR RESEARCH ANYTHING THAT

1579
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:08,000
WOULD GIVE YOU SOME GUIDANCE AS

1580
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:10,000
TO WHAT HIS TEMPER WILL BE LIKE

1581
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:12,000
IF HE GETS ELECTED.

1582
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:16,000
>> HE HAS SAID MANY TIMES, I CAN

1583
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:20,000
BE A SCREAMER.

1584
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:23,000
I WAS TALKING ABOUT JOHN

1585
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:26,000
O'DONNELL WHO WROTE A BOOK ABOUT

1586
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:29,000
TRUMP AND HE CITES THESE TEMPER

1587
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:31,000
ISSUES AND TEMPERAMENT ISSUES.

1588
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:34,000
DONALD GOT SO FRUSTRATED WITH

1589
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:38,000
THIS THAT HE ENDED UP QUITTING.

1590
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:40,000
I ASKED TRUMP ABOUT THIS AND HE

1591
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:44,000
SAID JACK O'DONNELL DIDN'T QUIT

1592
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:45,000
I FIRED HIM SO WE WENT BACK AND

1593
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:47,000
FORTH BREAD YOU HEAR THAT FROM A

1594
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:50,000
NUMBER OF PEOPLE AND TRUMP

1595
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:52,000
HIMSELF SAID HE WAS A SCREAMER.

1596
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:54,000
THOSE ARE HIS OWN WORDS.

1597
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:59,000
HOW WOULD THAT REFLECT, DONALD

1598
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:01,000
TRUMP AND HIS FATHER FRED TRUMP

1599
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:06,000
IN 1973, THEY ADVISED DONALD

1600
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:08,000
TRUMP, WHEN YOU'RE HIT, HIT BACK

1601
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:10,000
HARDER.

1602
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:12,000
THAT IS THE ROOT OF HIS

1603
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:17,000
PERSONALITY TO A GREAT DEGREE HE

1604
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:22,000
SETTLED THAT CASE EVENTUALLY BUT

1605
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:28,000
HE HAS ENDUED THAT PHILOSOPHY.

1606
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:29,000
>> HE SETTLED THE CASE ONLY

1607
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:30,000
AFTER DRAGGING IT OUT AND

1608
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:31,000
ATTACKING VICIOUSLY THE

1609
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:36,000
PROSECUTOR AND THAT'S AN ASPECT

1610
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:44,000
THAT HE IS VERY OPEN ABOUT

1611
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:49,000
WANTING TO PUNISH PEOPLE WHO, AS

1612
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:50,000
HE SAYS, VICIOUSLY ATTACKED ME.

1613
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:51,000
A LOT OF POLITICIANS WANT

1614
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:55,000
PAYBACK TO COME NOW OR LATER SO

1615
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:56,000
HE IS FIXING TO THAT MOLD.

1616
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:57,000
>> IT'S WORTH NOTING THAT A LOT
OF AMERICANS FIND THIS

1617
00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:59,000
APPEALING.

1618
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:03,000
AGAIN, I THINK THERE ARE A LOT

1619
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:08,000
OF PEOPLE THAT THINK WHEN HE'S

1620
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:09,000
HIT, HE'S GOING TO HIT TENS

1621
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:10,000
TIMES HARDER AND THAT'S WHAT

1622
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:11,000
HE'S GOING TO DO OUT THERE, THEY

1623
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:13,000
LIKE HIS CONFIDENCE AND HE IS

1624
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:16,000
CLEARLY FEEDING OFF AN ENORMOUS

1625
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:19,000
AMOUNT OF AMERICANS WHO LIKE

1626
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:22,000
WHAT THEY SEE ON TV.

1627
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:23,000
>> THAT AUDACIOUS ATTITUDE IS

1628
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:24,000
SOMETHING THAT WE TRACE IN THE

1629
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:25,000
BOOK ALL THE WAY BACK TO HIS
CHILDHOOD.

1630
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:27,000
THERE'S A NUMBER OF EXAMPLES

1631
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:31,000
GOING BACK TO ELEMENTARY SCHOOL

1632
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:36,000
OF THAT BEHAVIOR.

1633
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:50,000
[INAUDIBLE]

1634
00:52:57,000 --> 00:53:01,000
MY QUESTION IS, WHICH IS VERY

1635
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:06,000
SCARY TO ME, AFTER 2000 THE

1636
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:08,000
PRESS SAID THEY WENT DOWN ON THE

1637
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:12,000
JOB, NOT GOING AFTER BUSH'S

1638
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:17,000
MOTIVES FOR GOING INTO IRAQ.

1639
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:20,000
IT WASN'T UNTIL A DAY OR TWO AGO

1640
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:23,000
I HAVE SEEN THE PRESS BEGIN TO

1641
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:27,000
SAY THIS ISN'T TRUE.

1642
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:29,000
NOT REALLY REPORT ON WHAT HE IS

1643
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:31,000
SAYING BUT SOME JUST ABYSS

1644
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:33,000
DISPOSITION OF IT.

1645
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:38,000
AFTER HE CONFRONTED I'M VERY

1646
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:40,000
SCARED ABOUT VOTERS WHO, AS YOU

1647
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:42,000
SAID, BUT THEIR PASSION, THEY

1648
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:44,000
LIKE THAT WHAT THEY HEAR BUT MY

1649
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:46,000
CREDO IS, LET'S GET THE FACTS

1650
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:48,000
ARGUE ABOUT CONCLUSION.

1651
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:53,000
WHAT IS THE PRESS TO HOLD HIM

1652
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:54,000
ACCOUNTABLE.

1653
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:57,000
I'M NOT TO TALK ABOUT THE

1654
00:53:57,000 --> 00:53:58,000
WASHINGTON POST, TO HOLD HIM

1655
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:03,000
ACCOUNTABLE AND SAY YOU CAN'T

1656
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:08,000
MAKE THESE ALLEGATIONS.

1657
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:12,000
>> I'D SAY EVERY WACO WE GET A

1658
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:14,000
QUESTION ABOUT THE SENSE THAT

1659
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:19,000
MANY PEOPLE HAVE THAT THERE IS

1660
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:20,000
NONE AGGRESSIVE COVERAGE DONALD

1661
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:21,000
TRUMP.

1662
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:23,000
ASK A QUESTION ABOUT HILLARY

1663
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:25,000
CLINTON.

1664
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:28,000
YES I THINK THE RECORDING THAT

1665
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:31,000
WENT INTO THIS BOOK ALSO SAID

1666
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:33,000
SOME OF THE 30 MAJOR STORIES

1667
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:38,000
THAT APPEARED AND THERE IS GREAT

1668
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:41,000
DETAIL AND PUSHING BACK AGAINST

1669
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:42,000
HIS OWN NARRATIVE AND VERSION OF

1670
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:44,000
HIS LIFE AND SUCCESSES AND
CAREER.

1671
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:46,000
YOU'RE RIGHT, THERE ARE OTHER

1672
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:47,000
ASPECTS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN AS

1673
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:51,000
AGGRESSIVE IN DOING THE

1674
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:53,000
REPORTING THAT WE THINK IS OUR

1675
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:54,000
OBLIGATION IN THE PRESIDENTIAL

1676
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:59,000
CAMPAIGN SO, THERE ARE REAL

1677
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:04,000
QUESTIONS TO BE ASKED ABOUT

1678
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:06,000
GETTING OVER VAST STRETCHES OF

1679
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:08,000
TIME TO RUNNING HIS VALLEYS AND

1680
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:12,000
SO ON MORE TIME WAS GIVEN TO

1681
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:14,000
OTHER CANDIDATES.

1682
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:16,000
WE CAN'T CONTROL WHAT THEY DO,

1683
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:19,000
THIS WAS OUR OBLIGATION TO

1684
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:22,000
REPORT AND COMMIT THEM ENORMOUS

1685
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:25,000
RESOURCES TO THIS BOOK AND THE

1686
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:26,000
STORIES THAT APPEAR THE PAPER

1687
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:28,000
WILL CONTINUE TO APPEAR IN THE

1688
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:33,000
POST.

1689
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:34,000
>> TRUMP HATES WHAT WE WRITE, WE

1690
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:35,000
HAVE A FACT FACT CHECKER

1691
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:37,000
FULL-TIME, WE'VE HAD ALL THESE

1692
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:40,000
BIG STORIES, BUT IT IS A KEY

1693
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:41,000
QUESTION.

1694
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:43,000
I THINK THE DEBATE AND STRONG

1695
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:45,000
MODERATING IN THE UPCOMING

1696
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:46,000
DEBATE IS ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL
BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT EVERYBODY'S

1697
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:47,000
WATCHING.

1698
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:51,000
PEOPLE LOOK AT ONE STORY AND

1699
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:53,000
THEN I'LL SAY WHY ENERGY GOING

1700
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:55,000
AFTER DONALD TRUMP.

1701
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:58,000
THEN I'LL SAY THIS.

1702
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:01,000
THE DEBATES ARE BOTH THERE AND

1703
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:03,000
IT'S GOING TO DEPEND A LOT ON

1704
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:04,000
THE MODERATOR.

1705
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:06,000
>> JUST BE CLEAR, HE, HE MADE

1706
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:09,000
THE IDEA THAT HASN'T BEEN TALKED

1707
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:13,000
ABOUT IN THE LAST COUPLE DAYS.

1708
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:16,000
MANY TIMES THE FACT CHECKER

1709
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:17,000
THEY DO EXTRAORDINARY WORK AND

1710
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:19,000
CHECK EVERYTHING IN ALMOST

1711
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:21,000
REAL-TIME AND THERE'S A STORY UP

1712
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:22,000
TODAY THAT BASICALLY THEY WENT

1713
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:24,000
OVER AGAIN WHAT DONALD TRUMP

1714
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:25,000
SAID.

1715
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:27,000
HE SAID I WAS AGAINST THE WAR

1716
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:28,000
FROM THE BEGINNING WHEN IN FACT

1717
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:31,000
EVERY FACT CHECK HAS SHOWN

1718
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:36,000
THAT'S NOT THE CASE.

1719
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:37,000
EVERY TIME THAT STATEMENT IS

1720
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:38,000
MADE, THE FACT FACT CHECKER PUTS

1721
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:40,000
THINGS OUT, THEY KNOW THAT'S NOT

1722
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:45,000
ACTUALLY CORRECT.

1723
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:50,000
>> DO YOU THINK HE MEANS WHAT HE

1724
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:51,000
SAYS OR IS THAT ALL PART THE

1725
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:52,000
SHOW.

1726
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:55,000
>> IT DEPENDS WHAT HE'S SAYING.

1727
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:59,000
IT'S HARD TO BELIEVE IN TALKING

1728
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:01,000
TO HIM THAT HE MEANS WHAT HE
SAYS.

1729
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:02,000
>> I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO

1730
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:03,000
NOTE THAT THERE IS AN ACCURACY

1731
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:06,000
QUESTION AND THERE'S AN HONESTY

1732
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:07,000
QUESTION AND SO MANY PEOPLE WHO

1733
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:11,000
SUPPORT DONALD TRUMP, IT'S NOT

1734
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:13,000
SO MUCH THE FACT THAT THE

1735
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:15,000
GENUINE PASSION THAT HE ELICITS

1736
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:17,000
WHEN HE SPEAKING.

1737
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:20,000
I THINK IT'S A IMPORTANT

1738
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:23,000
DISTINCTION TO MAKE MAKE AND

1739
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:24,000
ACKNOWLEDGE.

1740
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:25,000
THE FACT THAT HE GETS UP THERE

1741
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:26,000
AND HE SAYS SOMETHING THAT

1742
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:28,000
ALIGNS WITH PEOPLE.

1743
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:30,000
FOR THOSE WHO FEEL THAT THEY

1744
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:35,000
HAVE DISENFRANCHISED THEIR IDEA

1745
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:38,000
OF HOW A POLITICAL LEADER SHOULD

1746
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:43,000
OPERATE AND WHAT THEIR IDEAS

1747
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:44,000
SHOULD BE.

1748
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:45,000
ONE THING THAT'S BEEN SO

1749
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:46,000
IMPORTANT FOR HIS CANDIDACY IS

1750
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:47,000
THAT SKILL IS ONE SKILL THAT

1751
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:48,000
HILLARY CLINTON REALLY STRUGGLES

1752
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:51,000
WITH.

1753
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:53,000
I THINK WE NEED TALK ABOUT THIS

1754
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:57,000
GENUINE QUESTION, A LOT OF

1755
00:57:57,000 --> 00:57:58,000
VOTERS ARE WONDERING IF THERE

1756
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:03,000
GENUINELY LISTENING.

1757
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:13,000
>> I AM IMPRESSED WITH HOW MANY

1758
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:16,000
OF OUR INSTITUTIONS ARE BEING

1759
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:21,000
PRIVATIZED AND I SEE THIS AS

1760
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:26,000
POTENTIALLY GIVING OTHER PEOPLE

1761
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:31,000
ASPIRATIONS TO ENTER INTO A

1762
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:33,000
POWER STRUCTURE AND GIVE THEM
THE CHANCE.

1763
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:36,000
ARE WE TALKING TO A DAY WHERE WE

1764
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:40,000
ARE GOING TO PROFIT FROM MANY IN

1765
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:45,000
OUR POLITICAL SYSTEM.

1766
00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:52,000
>> I'M OUT THERE AND TALKING TO

1767
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:54,000
VOTERS A LOT.

1768
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:56,000
I THINK IN SOME SENSE, YES

1769
00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:59,000
PEOPLE HAVE BEEN DRAWN, IT SEEMS

1770
00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:04,000
SO FAR AGO BUT THEY WERE TALKING

1771
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:08,000
ABOUT BERNIE SANDERS AND THE

1772
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:09,000
IMPACT HE WAS HAVING ON THE

1773
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:11,000
DEMOCRATIC PARTY IN THAT
PROCESS.

1774
00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:14,000
WE'VE SEEN A LOT OF PEOPLE ENTER

1775
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:15,000
INTO THE TWO-PARTY SYSTEM AND

1776
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:18,000
THAT WILL CHANGE WHO PEOPLE PICK

1777
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:23,000
AND HOW THEY PERFORM IN THEIR

1778
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:29,000
VOTE.

1779
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:34,000
>> A LOT OF PEOPLE SEEM TO SAY

1780
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:36,000
THERE'S CHECKS AND BALANCES,

1781
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:38,000
HE'S NOT REALLY GOING TO DO WHAT

1782
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:40,000
HE SAYS HE'S GOING TO DO, WHAT

1783
00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:43,000
REASON DO WE THINK, WITH THE

1784
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:47,000
FORCES THAT HE HAS UNLEASHED AND

1785
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:49,000
THE LEGITIMACY BY THE ATTENTION

1786
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:51,000
GIVEN TO THE RACE AND BIGOTRY

1787
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:53,000
AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT FORCES

1788
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:56,000
HAVE BEEN UNLEASHED AND THE

1789
00:59:56,000 --> 01:00:00,000
CHECKS AND BALANCES WE THINK

1790
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:05,000
EXIST MAYBE WON'T EXIST.

1791
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:10,000
I SAW THEM GETTING INVOLVED, AT

1792
01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:16,000
WHAT POINT DO WE BECOME CLOSE TO

1793
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:18,000
A BANANA REPUBLIC?

1794
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:23,000
AT WHAT POINT ARE WE GONNA SAY

1795
01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:25,000
HE REALLY DOESN'T MEAN IT.

1796
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:26,000
DOESN'T MATTER IF HE REALLY

1797
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:27,000
DOESN'T MEAN IT IF HE IS REALLY

1798
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:29,000
ABOUT POWER AND THE FORCES THAT

1799
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:30,000
HE HAS UNLEASHED BECOME BIGGER

1800
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:31,000
THAN HIM AND YOU HAVE THE ESSAY

1801
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:34,000
OUT THERE.

1802
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:37,000
>> I'VE HEARD THIS SO MANY TIMES

1803
01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:39,000
IT'S REALLY JUST A PRESIDENCY.

1804
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:42,000
THEY'RE NOT KIDDING.

1805
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:43,000
THEY SAY LOOK AT WASHINGTON.

1806
01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:47,000
LOOK AT CONGRESS.

1807
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:49,000
REALLY NOT MUCH GET DONE.

1808
01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:50,000
IT'S AN IMAGE BUT HE'S A STRONG

1809
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:51,000
GUY AND HE'S NOT THE SAME OLD

1810
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:52,000
THING.

1811
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:53,000
THAT'S WHAT THEY ARE ELECTING IN

1812
01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:55,000
FOR SOME AMAZING REASON, WE

1813
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:59,000
STARTED READING OF STORY ABOUT

1814
01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:00,000
THE PRESIDENT DOES HAVE A LOT OF

1815
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:01,000
POWER.

1816
01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:02,000
IT SEEMS SO OBVIOUS BUT THEY CAN

1817
01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:05,000
GET US INTO A LOT OF TROUBLE

1818
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:08,000
VERY QUICKLY.

1819
01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:09,000
WE SHOULD KEEP WRITING THAT
BECAUSE THAT SEDIMENT IS OUT

1820
01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:10,000
THERE.

1821
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:13,000
EVEN MORE THAN THAT, THEY WILL

1822
01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:17,000
TALK TO PEOPLE AND THEY'LL SAY

1823
01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:18,000
YOU SUPPORT THE MUSLIM BAN, BUT

1824
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:19,000
HOW WOULD THAT WORK EXACTLY.

1825
01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:22,000
THEN YOU START TALKING ABOUT THE

1826
01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:23,000
MONEY AND HOW IT WORKS AND THEY

1827
01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:24,000
SAY WELL WE DON'T THINK HE'S

1828
01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:25,000
REALLY GONNA DO THAT.

1829
01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:26,000
IT'S IT'S JUST LIKE HE'S GOING

1830
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:27,000
TO BE STRONG AGAINST IT AND

1831
01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:30,000
HE'LL BE THINKING ABOUT HOW HE

1832
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:31,000
WANTS TO KEEP THAT.

1833
01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:32,000
>> SEEM AT THE WALL.

1834
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:33,000
YOU'RE LIKELY TO MINUTE, IT'S

1835
01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:35,000
2000 MILES.

1836
01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:39,000
HOW MUCH MONEY WITH THAT COST.

1837
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:40,000
HE'S GETTING THE BENEFIT BECAUSE

1838
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:43,000
PEOPLE WANT HIM TO SAY IT AND

1839
01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:48,000
THEY SHOUT AT THE RALLIES.

1840
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:49,000
IT'S THE SENTIMENT, IT'S THAT HE

1841
01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:51,000
WANTS TO.

1842
01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:53,000
HE IS TELLING US, I HEAR YOU

1843
01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:55,000
YOU'RE FED UP WITH ALL THE

1844
01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:57,000
IMMIGRATION AND A LOT OF PEOPLE

1845
01:01:57,000 --> 01:01:59,000
WHO THINK THAT NAFTA WAS BAD AND

1846
01:01:59,000 --> 01:02:02,000
TOOK THEIR JOBS SO HE'S JUST

1847
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:07,000
BETTER THAN HIS OPPONENTS KIND

1848
01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:10,000
OF CONNECTING WITH PEOPLE

1849
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:11,000
THROUGH TV.

1850
01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:14,000
>> THERE'S ANOTHER ASPECT TO
YOUR QUESTION.

1851
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:17,000
IT COMES FROM THE WORD UNLEASHED

1852
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:19,000
I'VE HAD THIS IN THE BACK OF MY

1853
01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:20,000
MIND FOR A LONG TIME, BEFORE THE

1854
01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:21,000
ELECTION, BUT IT'S REALLY COMING

1855
01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:22,000
TO A PLAY IN THE LAST SEVERAL

1856
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:24,000
MONTHS WHICH IS, I THINK WHAT WE

1857
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:28,000
ARE SAYING HAS BEEN DEVELOPING

1858
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:29,000
AN UNFOLDING AND I'M PACKING

1859
01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:30,000
ITSELF FOR 15 OR 20 YEARS.

1860
01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:31,000
MAYBE 25 YEARS.

1861
01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:36,000
THE SEPARATION THE RISE OF THE

1862
01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:43,000
INTERNET, WE HAVE SEEN A SURGE

1863
01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:45,000
IN DEEPENING OF ANTI-

1864
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:47,000
INTELLECTUAL BEHAVIOR AND I SORT

1865
01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:48,000
OF FEEL LIKE IT'S COMING TO

1866
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:50,000
PLAY ALMOST CRESTING WITH THE

1867
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:51,000
ELECTION.

1868
01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:53,000
TO ME, THOSE ARE THE

1869
01:02:53,000 --> 01:02:54,000
UNDERCURRENTS THAT ARE MORE

1870
01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:56,000
TROUBLING BECAUSE IT'S NOT WHO

1871
01:02:56,000 --> 01:03:00,000
GETS ELECTED PRESIDENT, IT'S

1872
01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:01,000
DEEPER TRENDS IN OUR SOCIETY

1873
01:03:01,000 --> 01:03:03,000
WHICH I SUSPECT WILL BE

1874
01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:05,000
EXPLORING AFTER THE ELECTION

1875
01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:07,000
BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT GOING TO GO

1876
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:08,000
AWAY IMMEDIATELY.

1877
01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:09,000
>> I WOULD JUST ADD ONE

1878
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:11,000
CAUTIONARY NOTE.

1879
01:03:11,000 --> 01:03:13,000
THERE IS AN ASSUMPTION OFTEN

1880
01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:16,000
ABOUT TRUMP'S OPPONENTS THAT THE

1881
01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:19,000
RALLIES ARE THESE GATHERINGS OF

1882
01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:22,000
EXTREMISTS AND RACES AND SO ON

1883
01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:23,000
AND THAT'S JUST NOT THE CASE.

1884
01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:25,000
THERE ARE CRAZIES AT HIS RALLY

1885
01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:30,000
TO BE SURE, BUT THERE ARE ALSO A

1886
01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:35,000
LOT OF OBAMA TRUMP VOTERS.

1887
01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:36,000
THESE ARE THE HOPE AND CHANGE

1888
01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:39,000
VOTERS.

1889
01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:42,000
WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO SAW SOMEONE

1890
01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:44,000
WHO HEARD EXACTLY THE KIND OF

1891
01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:46,000
THINGS THAT BOB MENTIONED AND

1892
01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:50,000
TOOK THAT TO HEART AND REFLECTED

1893
01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:53,000
WHAT FRUSTRATION AND TROUBLES

1894
01:03:53,000 --> 01:03:57,000
PEOPLE WERE GOING THROUGH PEOPLE

1895
01:03:57,000 --> 01:03:58,000
SEE THAT AND DONALD TRUMP.

1896
01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:03,000
>> ONE MUST QUESTION.

1897
01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:14,000
[INAUDIBLE]

1898
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:17,000
DOES HE THINK ABOUT HIS OWN

1899
01:04:17,000 --> 01:04:19,000
SKILLS.

1900
01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:21,000
>> HE KNOWS HE'S GOOD AT

1901
01:04:21,000 --> 01:04:22,000
EVERYTHING.

1902
01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:24,000
[LAUGHTER]

1903
01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:27,000
>> THAT'S WHAT HE WOULD SAY.

1904
01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:29,000
PEOPLE RESPOND TO HIS CONFIDENCE

1905
01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:32,000
HE HAS SAID HE WILL GET REALLY

1906
01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:37,000
SMART PEOPLE AROUND HIM AND IT'S

1907
01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:40,000
ALL ABOUT THE CONFIDENCE.

1908
01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:45,000
HE HAS NOT SAID WHAT IS ALEPPO

1909
01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:48,000
BUT WE DID LEARN HE WOULD'VE

1910
01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:53,000
CAUGHT OSAMA BIN LADEN FOR.

1911
01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:55,000
I THINK THE UNDERCUT OF YOUR

1912
01:04:55,000 --> 01:04:56,000
QUESTION IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO

1913
01:04:56,000 --> 01:04:58,000
EXPLORE.

1914
01:04:58,000 --> 01:05:00,000
THROUGHOUT THIS COUNTRY, WHAT IS

1915
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:02,000
THE REQUIREMENT FOR PRESIDENT.

1916
01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:07,000
FOR DONALD TRUMP HE SAID WHAT

1917
01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:10,000
THE REQUIREMENT WAS 30 YEARS AGO

1918
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:11,000
AND HE REITERATED IT 20 YEARS

1919
01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:14,000
AGO AND THAT WAS THE PERSON WHO

1920
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:17,000
COULD REINVIGORATE THE SPIRIT OF

1921
01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:18,000
AMERICA WHO HAS BOLDNESS AND

1922
01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:21,000
POMPOSITY.

1923
01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:22,000
THOSE ARE HIS WORD.

1924
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:23,000
DOES HE THINK HE FITS THE

1925
01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:25,000
REQUIREMENT?

1926
01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:27,000
ABSOLUTELY.

1927
01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:31,000
THE QUESTION IS SORT OF A VALUES

1928
01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:33,000
QUESTION AND THAT'S WHERE THINGS

1929
01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:36,000
GET INTERESTING.

1930
01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:38,000
HE HAS ALWAYS HAD THIS VERY

1931
01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:39,000
SMALL CIRCLE OF PEOPLE HE CAN

1932
01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:40,000
REALLY RELY ON.

1933
01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:41,000
THEY'RE USUALLY CORE FAMILY
MEMBERS.

1934
01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:44,000
AT THE CASINOS THERE WAS ONE OR

1935
01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:46,000
TWO PEOPLE WHO DIED IN A

1936
01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:48,000
HELICOPTER CRASH AND TIME AND

1937
01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:51,000
TIME AGAIN YOU SEE THERE IS ONE

1938
01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:52,000
TO VITAL PEOPLE WHO CAN TELL HIM

1939
01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:55,000
WHAT TO DO.

1940
01:05:55,000 --> 01:05:56,000
HE DOESN'T LIKE TO BE TOLD HE'S

1941
01:05:56,000 --> 01:05:58,000
WRONG.

1942
01:05:58,000 --> 01:05:59,000
OFTEN TIMES YOU SEE PEOPLE BEING

1943
01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:01,000
FIRED.

1944
01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:02,000
YOU SEE IT AGAIN IN THIS

1945
01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:03,000
CAMPAIGN.

1946
01:06:03,000 --> 01:06:05,000
HE'S GONE THROUGH TO CAMPAIGN

1947
01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:07,000
MANAGERS ALREADY IN THIS
CAMPAIGN.

1948
01:06:07,000 --> 01:06:10,000
HE WOULD HAVE TO TACKLE MANY

1949
01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:12,000
ISSUES THAT HE DOESN'T KNOW
ANYTHING ABOUT.

1950
01:06:12,000 --> 01:06:15,000
HOW WOULD HE ORGANIZE THAT AND

1951
01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:17,000
EMPHASIZE THAT.

1952
01:06:17,000 --> 01:06:19,000
>> HE TALKS ABOUT GETTING THINGS

1953
01:06:19,000 --> 01:06:23,000
DONE.

1954
01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:25,000
HE THINKS THE BEST WAY IS AN

1955
01:06:25,000 --> 01:06:26,000
ARMY OF ONE AND IT'S HARD TO RUN

1956
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:28,000
A COUNTRY WITH ONE PERSON.

1957
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:30,000
I THINK THIS WOULD BE A KEY

1958
01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:33,000
THING BECAUSE HILLARY CLINTON

1959
01:06:33,000 --> 01:06:34,000
IT'S POLAR OPERA SITE.

1960
01:06:34,000 --> 01:06:35,000
SHE'S HAD ALL THIS EXPERIENCE IN

1961
01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:36,000
GOVERNMENT AND HE IS CERTAINLY

1962
01:06:36,000 --> 01:06:37,000
GOING TO ANSWER THIS AND SAY HE

1963
01:06:37,000 --> 01:06:38,000
HAS THE TEMPERAMENT, HE IS SHOWN

1964
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:39,000
THROUGH HIS BUSINESSES AND HAS

1965
01:06:39,000 --> 01:06:40,000
THE CONFIDENCE TO GET THE RIGHT

1966
01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:41,000
PEOPLE.
>> IF HE'S RIGHT HE WILL

1967
01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:43,000
COMPLETELY REDEFINE WHAT IT

1968
01:06:43,000 --> 01:06:46,000
MEANS TO BE PRESIDENT GIVEN HIS

1969
01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:50,000
BIOGRAPHY, HIS TRACK RECORD, HIS

1970
01:06:50,000 --> 01:06:51,000
LACK OF EXPERIENCE IN THE PUBLIC

1971
01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:53,000
LIFE.

1972
01:06:53,000 --> 01:06:56,000
IF HE'S RIGHT, HE WILL BE THE

1973
01:06:56,000 --> 01:07:00,000
FIRST PERSON TO COME THIS FAR IN

1974
01:07:00,000 --> 01:07:02,000
AN ELECTION CAMPAIGN.
IF HE'S ELECTED, HE WILL BREAK

1975
01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:07,000
ALL THE MOTES.

1976
01:07:09,000 --> 01:07:10,000
>> HE HAS AN ANSWER FOR

1977
01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:11,000
QUESTION.

1978
01:07:11,000 --> 01:07:12,000
WHEN THINGS GO RIGHT, HE KNEW

1979
01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:13,000
WHAT TO DO AND HE TAKES ALL THE

1980
01:07:13,000 --> 01:07:14,000
CREDIT.

1981
01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:16,000
WHEN THINGS GO WRONG AND HE

1982
01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:18,000
SHOWED THIS IN VARIOUS STAGES

1983
01:07:18,000 --> 01:07:19,000
THROUGHOUT THE CAREER, BUT THEN

1984
01:07:19,000 --> 01:07:20,000
THE SYSTEM IS RIGGED.

1985
01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:22,000
WE'VE HEARD THESE WORDS FROM HIM

1986
01:07:22,000 --> 01:07:23,000
AND THAT IS EXACTLY THE PHRASE

1987
01:07:23,000 --> 01:07:26,000
HE USES THROUGHOUT HIS LIFE

1988
01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:28,000
WHETHER HE'S FACING TROUBLE OR
FAILURE.

1989
01:07:28,000 --> 01:07:29,000
WHEN WE SEE THAT NOW YOU CAN

1990
01:07:29,000 --> 01:07:34,000
SORT OF SEE THAT HE'S NOT

1991
01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:36,000
OBLIVIOUS TO THE POSITION IN THE

1992
01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:39,000
POOL AND HE'S PREPARING HIMSELF

1993
01:07:39,000 --> 01:07:41,000
AND ALL OF US FOR THE MESSAGE

1994
01:07:41,000 --> 01:07:43,000
THAT HE WILL HAVE IF HE LOSES.

1995
01:07:43,000 --> 01:07:45,000
I THINK WE HAVE TO LEAVE IT

1996
01:07:45,000 --> 01:07:47,000
THERE, BUT THANK YOU FOR COMING

1997
01:07:47,000 --> 01:07:52,000
OUT.

1998
01:07:53,000 --> 01:07:58,000
[APPLAUSE]

1999
01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:09,000
[INAUDIBLE CONVERSATION]

2000
01:08:17,000 --> 01:08:22,000
[INAUDIBLE CONVERSATION]

2001
01:08:27,000 --> 01:08:29,000
>> NOW THE LAST PROGRAM ON A

2002
01:08:29,000 --> 01:08:30,000
BLOCK OF PROGRAMS ABOUT HILLARY

2003
01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:31,000
CLINTON AND DONALD TRUMP.

2004
01:08:31,000 --> 01:08:34,000
THE AUTHORS OF CLINTON CASH

2005
01:08:34,000 --> 01:08:35,000
CLEAN CLEAN HOUSE AND PARTNERS

2006
01:08:35,000 --> 01:08:40,000
IN CRIME GOOD MORNING, I'M

2007
01:09:08,000 --> 01:09:10,000
PRESIDENT OF JUDICIAL WATCH,

2008
01:09:10,000 --> 01:09:13,000
WELCOME TO OUR EDUCATIONAL PANEL

2009
01:09:13,000 --> 01:09:14,000
ON THE CLINTON SCANDAL UPDATE.

2010
01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:19,000
JOINING US IS AN EXPERT PANEL OF

2011
01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:20,000
CLINTON WATCHERS WHO HAVE

2012
01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:22,000
EXAMINED HER CAREER OVER THE

2013
01:09:22,000 --> 01:09:25,000
DECADES AND HAVE MADE SOME, HAS

2014
01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:27,000
SOME PRETTY STARTLING

2015
01:09:27,000 --> 01:09:29,000
INFORMATION FOR YOU AS WE BEGIN

2016
01:09:29,000 --> 01:09:31,000
THIS PANEL.

2017
01:09:31,000 --> 01:09:33,000
JUDICIAL WATCH IS A NINE

2018
01:09:33,000 --> 01:09:35,000
PARTISAN EDUCATIONAL FOUNDATION.

2019
01:09:35,000 --> 01:09:40,000
WE PROSECUTE GOVERNMENT

2020
01:09:41,000 --> 01:09:42,000
CORRUPTION WHEREVER WE FIND IT

2021
01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:43,000
WHETHER IT IS REPUBLICAN OR

2022
01:09:43,000 --> 01:09:45,000
DEMOCRAT AND JUDICIAL WATCH IS
PLEASED TO BE ABLE TO PRESENT

2023
01:09:45,000 --> 01:09:46,000
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01:09:46,000 --> 01:09:51,000
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2025
01:09:52,000 --> 01:09:53,000
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WELCOME.

2026
01:09:53,000 --> 01:09:55,000
TO PROVIDE YOU SOME CONTEXT

2027
01:09:55,000 --> 01:09:57,000
BEFORE I INTRODUCE OUR PANELIST,
I THOUGHT I WOULD GIVE YOU A

2028
01:09:57,000 --> 01:09:58,000
BRIEF UPDATE ON THE CLINTON

2029
01:09:58,000 --> 01:10:01,000
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