1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:03,000 ONG MEN COMING TO POWER IN THE UNITED STATES. 2 00:00:03,000 --> 00:00:06,000 OF COURSE IT IS HORRIFYING VERY 3 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:07,000 OPPRESSIVE, DICTATORIAL STATE SO 4 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:12,000 I WANTED TO SEE WHAT THERE WAS 5 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:13,000 PARTICULARLY IN THOSE BOOKS. 6 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:15,000 YOU HAVE TO WATCH THIS REALLY 7 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:20,000 WEIRD MOVIE IDIOTIC WITH THE -- 8 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:25,000 YOU SEE GLIMMERS. 9 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:27,000 THE APPEAL, THERE WAS A FAMOUS 10 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:31,000 MOMENT I CAN'T REMEMBER WHICH 11 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:32,000 PRIMARY, ARIZONA AFTER ARIZONA. I LOVE THE POORLY EDUCATED 12 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:37,000 BECAUSE HE HAD DONE SO WELL IN 13 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:38,000 THAT DEMOGRAPHIC. 14 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:43,000 IN THOSE BOOKS THE LEADERS THAT 15 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:49,000 BECOME TOTALITARIAN FIGURES HAD 16 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:51,000 STRONG APPEAL AMONG WHAT WE NOW 17 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:56,000 CALL LOW INFORMATION VOTERS. 18 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:02,000 YOU SEE SOME PARALLELS, AND 19 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:06,000 EXPECTATION THAT THERE IS 20 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:07,000 SOMETHING WRONG IS THESE ARE 21 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:08,000 VERY DYSTOPIAN NOVEL TO GO MUCH 22 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:12,000 FURTHER THAN I THINK DONALD 23 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:13,000 TRUMP WOULD EVER GO. 24 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:16,000 THERE ARE THESE KIND OF 25 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:19,000 INTERLUDES IN HISTORY AND 26 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:23,000 SINCLAIR LEWIS, WHAT HAPPENED, 27 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:26,000 EXCUSE ME, IN THE PLOT AGAINST 28 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:29,000 AMERICA, CHARLES LINDBERGH COMES 29 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:33,000 TO POWER AND THE COUNTRY 30 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:36,000 HORRIBLY FOR TWO YEARS AND 31 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:39,000 DISAPPEARS AND ROOSEVELT COMES 32 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:44,000 BACK AND EVERYTHING PICKS UP AS 33 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:45,000 WE KNOW IT. WHICH CAN HAPPEN IN REAL LIFE. 34 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:50,000 I WAS LOOKING FOR INSPIRATION IN 35 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:53,000 FICTION AND I THINK THERE ARE 36 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:56,000 ELEMENTS THAT YOU RECOGNIZE IN 37 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:58,000 TRUMP'S PERSONAL STYLE AND 38 00:01:58,000 --> 00:01:59,000 RHETORIC AND HIS APPEAL TO THE 39 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:02,000 AUDIENCE. >> THE MOST IMPORTANT THING I 40 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:05,000 LEARNED AT WORK, MISTER TRUMP 41 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:07,000 WRITES, IS NOT TO BE OVERLY 42 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:09,000 IMPRESSED BY ACADEMIC 43 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:10,000 CREDENTIALS. DIDN'T TAKE ME LONG TO REALIZE 44 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:15,000 THERE IS ANYTHING AWESOME OR 45 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:17,000 EXCEPTIONAL ABOUT MY CLASSMATES. 46 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:18,000 MICHAEL KRUSE, LET'S GO BACK TO 47 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:21,000 WHERE WE STARTED. 48 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:23,000 IS THIS CAMPAIGN PLAYBOOK? 49 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:26,000 >> IT CAN BE SEEN AS SUCH. 50 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:28,000 THERE ARE LOTS OF BOOKS HE HAS 51 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:29,000 WRITTEN OR COWRITTEN OR BEEN 52 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:33,000 WRITTEN FOR HIM THAT ALL ADDED 53 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:35,000 UP, THE CAMPAIGN PLAYBOOK FOR 54 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:37,000 DONALD TRUMP. 55 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:38,000 >> MONICA LANGLEY. 56 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:42,000 >> I SAY DEFINITIVELY YES. 57 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:44,000 IT IS CLASSIC DONALD TRUMP AND 58 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:47,000 ELEMENTS OF THE DEAL, THE 59 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:52,000 ELEMENTS OF HIS CAMPAIGN. 60 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:53,000 >> MONICA LANGLEY, MICHAEL 61 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:54,000 KRUSE, CARLOS LOZADA, THANK YOU 62 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:56,000 FOR BEING ON THIS ROUNDTABLE ON 63 00:02:56,000 --> 00:03:01,000 BookTV. 64 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:06,000 >> NEXT UP ON OUR BLOCK OF 65 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:11,000 PROGRAMS ABOUT DONALD TRUMP, 66 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:15,000 TRUMP REVEALED, WITH AUTHORS 67 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:18,000 MARC FISHER AND MICHAEL KRANISH. 68 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:23,000 >> WHY DON'T WE GET STARTED? 69 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:24,000 MY NAME IS MARTY BARRON, 70 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:25,000 EXECUTIVE EDITOR OF THE WASHINGTON POST. 71 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:30,000 WE ARE EXCITED THAT ALL OF YOU 72 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:31,000 CAME OUT THIS EVENING, TO 73 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:33,000 WELCOME YOU HERE. 74 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:35,000 TONIGHT YOU ARE GOING TO GET THE 75 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:40,000 CHANCE TO MEET SOME OF THE 76 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:41,000 JOURNALISTS AND EDITORS OF 77 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:42,000 "TRUMP REVEALED: AN AMERICAN 78 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:43,000 JOURNEY OF AMBITION, EGO, MONEY AND POWER". 79 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:45,000 THIS WAS AN EXHAUSTIVELY 80 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:46,000 RESEARCHED BOOK ABOUT THE LIFE 81 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:48,000 AND CAREER OF DONALD TRUMP. 82 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:51,000 THE POST HAS A LONG TRADITION 83 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:53,000 WITH THE PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEES 84 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:56,000 OF EACH MAJOR PARTY AND THIS 85 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:59,000 YEAR DONALD TRUMP'S SHALL WE SAY 86 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:04,000 NOVEL AND OVERSIZED PRESENCE IN 87 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:06,000 THE POLITICAL ARENA, AND 88 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:09,000 OPPORTUNITY TO DO A BOOK. 89 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:11,000 WE ARE ESPECIALLY GRATEFUL, ALL 90 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:16,000 THESE FOLKS WHO CAME IN ON TIME 91 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:20,000 FOR MAKING THAT POSSIBLE. 92 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:22,000 I WANT TO MENTION WE HAVE 93 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:26,000 PUBLISHER NAN BROWN, THERE WE 94 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:31,000 GO. 95 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:32,000 [APPLAUSE] 96 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:33,000 >> EDITOR IN CHIEF COLIN 97 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:35,000 HARRISON. 98 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:37,000 YOU ALL WORKED INCREDIBLY FAST 99 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:38,000 AND INCREDIBLY HARD AND WITH 100 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:41,000 SKILL THROUGHOUT AND WE ARE 101 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:42,000 GRATEFUL. 102 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:45,000 FROM THE POST THERE ARE TWO 103 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:46,000 DOESN'T JOURNALISTS WHO WORKED 104 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:50,000 ON THIS BOOK. 105 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:55,000 THEY NEEDED TO GO VERY DEEP. 106 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:56,000 THAT IS WHY WE DEPLOYED SUCH A 107 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:57,000 LARGE SCHEME. SCOTT WILSON, OUR NATIONAL 108 00:04:57,000 --> 00:05:00,000 EDITOR WHO COULD NOT BE HERE 109 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:03,000 THIS EVENING ASSEMBLED THAT 110 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:05,000 TEAM, FLOWING FROM EVERY 111 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:06,000 DEPARTMENT IN OUR NEWSROOM. 112 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:08,000 ALL THAT CAME TOGETHER IN A 113 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:09,000 MATTER OF MONTHS. 114 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:14,000 THIS EVENING YOU WILL HEAR FROM 115 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:16,000 FIVE OF THE PEOPLE WHO WORKED ON 116 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:20,000 THIS BOOK AND WITH THE 117 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:21,000 CO-AUTHORS, MICHAEL KRANISH WHO 118 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:22,000 IS HERE AND MARC FISHER WHO IS 119 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:27,000 BEHIND ME AND I WILL STEP AWAY, 120 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:30,000 THE PRIMARY AUTHORS OF "TRUMP 121 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:31,000 REVEALED: AN AMERICAN JOURNEY OF AMBITION, EGO, MONEY AND POWER," 122 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:32,000 EVERYONE CONTRIBUTED TO IT. 123 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:33,000 THIS IS A CONFERENCE OF 124 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:35,000 EXAMINATION OF DONALD TRUMP'S 125 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:37,000 LIFE, HIS PERSONALITY, HIS 126 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:39,000 PERSONAL FEELINGS AND 127 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:40,000 LONG-RUNNING ENCOUNTERS WITH 128 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:41,000 POLITICIANS. 129 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:43,000 WE BELIEVE THIS IS THE KIND OF 130 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:44,000 IN-DEPTH REPORTING WE EXPECT 131 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:49,000 FROM THE POST AND WITH THAT A 132 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:54,000 SPECIAL PLEASURE FOR ME TO 133 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:55,000 INTRODUCE TODAY'S MODERATOR AND 134 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:56,000 ONE OF THE CO-AUTHORS OF THE BOOK "TRUMP REVEALED: AN 135 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:57,000 AMERICAN JOURNEY OF AMBITION, 136 00:05:57,000 --> 00:06:00,000 EGO, MONEY AND POWER," SENIOR EDITOR MARC FISHER. 137 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:02,000 [APPLAUSE] 138 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:05,000 >> THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING OUT, 139 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:08,000 A BIG CROWD BUT I UNDERSTAND 140 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:13,000 MANY OF YOU ARE HERE, ONE THING 141 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:14,000 WE CAN'T FIND ENOUGH OF THESE 142 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:15,000 DAYS IS INFORMATION ABOUT DONALD 143 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:19,000 TRUMP. THAT IS KIND OF TRUE BECAUSE HE 144 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:23,000 IS THE FIRST MAJOR PARTY 145 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:24,000 CANDIDATE IN 60 YEARS SINCE 146 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:29,000 DWIGHT EISENHOWER WHO HAS NOT PREVIOUSLY HELD ELECTED OFFICE. 147 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:31,000 THAT MEANS HE HAS NOT BEEN 148 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:32,000 VETTED IN THE WAY MOST POLITICIANS ARE AS A MATTER OF 149 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:34,000 COURSE AS THEY RUN FOR THEIR 150 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:36,000 OFFICE. 151 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:38,000 OBVIOUSLY HE HAS HAD CELEBRITY 152 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:42,000 FOR DECADES. 153 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:43,000 CELEBRITY IS A DIFFERENT KIND OF ATTENTION FROM HAVING YOUR LIFE 154 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:48,000 AND CAREER, BACKGROUND 155 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:51,000 RIGOROUSLY EXAMINED IN A WAY 156 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:52,000 THAT WOULD HELP VOTERS UNDERSTAND HOW YOU THINK, HOW 157 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:54,000 YOU MAKE DECISIONS, WHAT YOU 158 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:57,000 REALLY BELIEVE IN. 159 00:06:57,000 --> 00:06:59,000 MAKING THE ROUNDS ON TV, 160 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:02,000 PROMOTION OF THIS BOOK WE FOUND 161 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:05,000 THE SINGLE MOST EFFECTIVE WAY TO 162 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:10,000 SELL THIS BOOK WAS ONE SINGLE 163 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:11,000 TWEET FROM DONALD JADE TRUMP, 164 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:16,000 LATE OF JAMAICA ESTATES NEW 165 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:18,000 YORK, THE BOOK WAS ACTUALLY 166 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:22,000 RELEASED, HE PUT OUT A TWEET 167 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:24,000 SAYING, CALLING THE BOOK A JOB 168 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:28,000 SAYING IT WAS BORING AND YOU 169 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:31,000 SHOULDN'T BUY IT. 170 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:36,000 OUR NUMBERS WENT SOARING AFTER 171 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:37,000 THAT. 172 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:38,000 TREMENDOUSLY GRATEFUL TO HIM SINCE HE INFORMED THE MILLION -- 173 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:39,000 11 MILLION OF HIS CLOSEST 174 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:40,000 FRIENDS ABOUT THE BOOK. 175 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:42,000 WHAT WAS FASCINATING ABOUT THAT 176 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:43,000 WAS HE COULD NOT HELP HIMSELF. 177 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:48,000 ANY RATIONAL CAMPAIGN ADVISOR 178 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:49,000 WOULD HAVE TOLD HIM TO IGNORE IT 179 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:51,000 BUT HE COULDN'T HELP HIMSELF SO 180 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:52,000 HE DID THIS. 181 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:53,000 THIS WAS CONFIRMATION OF 182 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:57,000 SOMETHING IN THE BOOK, THIS IS A 183 00:07:57,000 --> 00:07:59,000 MAN WHO DEEPLY BELIEVES THE 184 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:00,000 PROPER RESPONSE, THE ONLY PROPER 185 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:01,000 RESPONSE TO ANYTHING THAT COULD 186 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:06,000 BE AT ALL CRITICAL IS TO ATTACK 187 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:09,000 AND ATTACK HARD. 188 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:12,000 THE DERIVATION OF THAT 189 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:13,000 CHARACTERISTIC OF DONALD TRUMP 190 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:17,000 NOT ONLY TO HIS CHILDHOOD, A 191 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:19,000 FATHER TAUGHT HIM TO BE A KILLER 192 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:21,000 AND WARNED HIM AGAINST BEING 193 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:22,000 NOTHING BUT ALSO TO HIS 194 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:24,000 RELATIONSHIP WITH WORK, HOME, 195 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:27,000 THE INFAMOUS NEW YORK ATTORNEY 196 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:29,000 WHICH WAS HIS MENTOR WHEN HE WAS 197 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:32,000 JUST STARTING OUT ON HIS OWN IN 198 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:33,000 BUSINESS. 199 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:35,000 MARTY BARRON, THE ORIGINS OF 200 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:39,000 THIS BOOK, A LITTLE MORE ON THAT 201 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:40,000 BEFORE WE GET INTO THE DISCUSSION. 202 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:43,000 THIS BOOK CAME TOGETHER IN LATE 203 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:45,000 MARCH. 204 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:50,000 BACK TO THE PRIMARY SEASON, IT 205 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:51,000 BECAME VERY CLEAR DONALD TRUMP 206 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:56,000 WAS THE LIKELY NOMINEE. 207 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:57,000 AT THAT POINT THIS TEAM OF 20 208 00:08:57,000 --> 00:09:00,000 REPORTERS WAS PUT TOGETHER. 209 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:05,000 THE DEAL WE STRUCK THAT CAME, 210 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:08,000 WAS SIGNED ON A THURSDAY, THE 211 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:09,000 PLAN WAS TO ANNOUNCE IT TO THE 212 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:14,000 PUBLIC THE FOLLOWING MONDAY. THE NEXT DAY, FRIDAY, I CALLED 213 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:17,000 HOPE HITS, DONALD TRUMP'S PRESS 214 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:19,000 SECRETARY, TO LET HER KNOW THIS 215 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:20,000 WOULD BE ON THE FOLLOWING MONDAY 216 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:23,000 AND ASKED HER, WE WANTED TO HAVE 217 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:25,000 A SERIES OF INTERVIEWS WITH 218 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:27,000 DONALD TRUMP, GET AS MUCH OF HIS 219 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:29,000 TIME AS WE COULD BECAUSE 220 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:32,000 ALTHOUGH WE HAD A LARGE GROUP OF 221 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:37,000 REPORTERS DIGGING INTO EVERY 222 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:38,000 ASPECT OF TRUMP'S LIFE, HE HAD DOCUMENTS, TALKING TO EVERYONE 223 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:41,000 FROM HIS FRIEND AND CLASSMATE 224 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:42,000 AND NEIGHBORS THROUGH HIS 225 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:45,000 BUSINESS ASSOCIATES, PARTNERS, 226 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:47,000 COMPETITORS, CONTRACTORS AND SO 227 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:49,000 ON. 228 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:54,000 WE WANTED AS MUCH TIME AS WE 229 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:56,000 COULD GET WITH THEM. I EXPLAINED THE DEAL WE MADE AND 230 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:57,000 THE BOOK WE WOULD BE DOING A LOT 231 00:09:57,000 --> 00:09:59,000 OF REPORTERS WOULD BE CALLING 232 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:03,000 THEM AND SHE CUT ME OFF AND SAID 233 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:05,000 WE ARE PROFITEERING OFF OF 234 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:07,000 MISTER TRUMP. 235 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:09,000 WHICH WAS KIND OF CURIOUS GIVEN 236 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:12,000 THAT HE SPENT A LOT OF HIS TIME 237 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:17,000 TALKING TO REPORTERS, 238 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:25,000 PROFIT-MAKING INSTITUTIONS. SHE WAS NOT OPEN TO THAT LINE OF 239 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:26,000 REASONING AND CUT OFF THE 240 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:27,000 CONVERSATION AND THAT WE WILL NOT COOPERATE WITH THIS BOOK, 241 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:32,000 YOU ARE ON YOUR OWN. 242 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:33,000 IT WAS A FAIRLY LIKELY OUTCOME ANYWAY THAT DID NOT AFFECT OUR 243 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:34,000 PLAN HOW TO REPORT ON THIS BOOK 244 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:37,000 BUT LOW AND BEHOLD THE FOLLOWING 245 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:38,000 MONDAY SHE CALLED BACK AND SAID 246 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:40,000 SHE HAD A CHANCE TO AS SHE PUT 247 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:45,000 IT TELL MISTER TRUMP ABOUT YOUR 248 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:52,000 FABULOUS IDEA AND HE ACTUALLY 249 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:53,000 LIKED THE IDEA AND WANTED US TO 250 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:54,000 COME TO TRUMP TOWER AS OFTEN AS 251 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:57,000 WE LIKE AND AS LONG AS WE LIKE 252 00:10:57,000 --> 00:10:58,000 TO SEE THE BOOK IS FAIR AND 253 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:03,000 ACCURATE AND GET THE REAL STORY 254 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:05,000 OUT ABOUT HIS LIFE WHEN 255 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:08,000 INTERESTING CURIOSITY IS HIS OWN PRESS SECRETARY WORKED WITH HIM 256 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:10,000 FOR A NUMBER OF MONTHS, HE WOULD 257 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:12,000 VERY MUCH LIKE THE OPPORTUNITY 258 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:15,000 TO TALK ABOUT HIS FAVORITE 259 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:18,000 SUBJECT, HIMSELF. 260 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:22,000 AS WE TALKED TO TRUMP IN THE 261 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:24,000 WEEKS THAT FOLLOWED HE REGULARLY 262 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:25,000 EXTENDED OUR INTERVIEW TIME, 263 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:26,000 DOUBLED AND TRIPLED THE AMOUNT 264 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:30,000 OF TIME HE SPENT WITH US, SOME 265 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:34,000 HE ANSWERED IN MORE DETAIL THAN 266 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:37,000 OTHERS, BUT HE SPOKE WITH A 267 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:41,000 NUMBER OF REPORTERS ON THE 268 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:44,000 PHONE, AS THEY WENT INTO GREATER 269 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:45,000 DEPTH THAT THEY WERE DIGGING 270 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:50,000 INTO, WE HAD PEOPLE WORKING ON 271 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:51,000 THIS BOOK WHO WERE EXPERTS IN 272 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:56,000 REPORTING IN ATLANTIC CITY ON 273 00:11:57,000 --> 00:12:02,000 FINANCES ORGANIZED CRIME 274 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:04,000 CONNECTIONS, LOOKED INTO BRIEF 275 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:07,000 EXPERIENCE AS A SPORTS FRANCHISE 276 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:10,000 IN THE FOOTBALL LEAGUE. 277 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:13,000 EVERY CHAPTER OF HIS LIFE. 278 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:18,000 ONE OF THE GOALS IS COMPLETENESS 279 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:19,000 AND ANOTHER, TRANSPARENCY. 280 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:21,000 WE KNOW THE DOCUMENT IN THE BOOK 281 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:25,000 DONALD TRUMP IS HIGHLY LITIGIOUS 282 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:28,000 PERSON, HE HAS SUED THE AUTHOR 283 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:32,000 OF THE PREVIOUS BIOGRAPHY FOR 284 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:34,000 $5 BILLION. 285 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:36,000 WE ASKED A CERTAIN CURIOSITY 286 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:41,000 ABOUT THAT WE ASKED ABOUT THAT 287 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:46,000 CASE, HE SAID HE NEVER READ THE 288 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:49,000 BOOK. I WAS PUZZLED BY THAT. HOW DO YOU GO ABOUT SUING 289 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:50,000 SOMEBODY FOR $5 BILLION WHEN YOU 290 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:53,000 NEVER READ THE BOOK? 291 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:56,000 HE SAID PEOPLE TOLD ME IT WAS A 292 00:12:56,000 --> 00:13:00,000 BAD BOOK. 293 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:01,000 A CLASSIC TRUMP IS HIM, HE 294 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:04,000 DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING UNTOWARD 295 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:05,000 ABOUT THAT. 296 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:09,000 HE WAS VERY GRACIOUS VERY 297 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:10,000 GENEROUS WITH HIS TIME, ANSWERED 298 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:14,000 QUESTIONS BUT EVERY ONCE IN A 299 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:15,000 WHILE WOULD SLIP IN A THREAD 300 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:16,000 ABOUT HOW IF IT WAS A BAD BOOK 301 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:18,000 AS HE PUT IT HE WOULD COME AFTER 302 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:23,000 US AND COME AFTER THE POST. 303 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:25,000 THERE WAS THIS ALTERNATING GRACIOUSNESS AND TENSION THROUGH 304 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:30,000 THE WHOLE RELATIONSHIP WE HAD 305 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:32,000 WITH HIM. 306 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:33,000 THIS KIND OF APPROACH, A GOOD 307 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:35,000 BOOK OR A BAD BOOK, SOMETHING 308 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:36,000 SHOT THROUGH THE BOOK, SHOT 309 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:39,000 THROUGH HIS LIFE, ONE OF THE 310 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:41,000 THINGS THAT MAKES HIM DECIDE 311 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:43,000 WHETHER A BOOK OR ARTICLE IS 312 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:45,000 GOOD OR BAD IS WHETHER IT 313 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:46,000 QUESTIONS THE EXTENT OF HIS 314 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:51,000 WEALTH. .. 315 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:30,000 .. 316 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:38,000 >> AWAY DO -- WE DO HAVE WAYS OF 317 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:40,000 COMING TO THE CONCLUSION THAT 318 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:42,000 HE'S NOT WORTH WHAT HE SAYS HE 319 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:46,000 IS. 320 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:48,000 AND, IN FACT, IN A DEPOSITION IN 321 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:50,000 THE CASE WHICH WE HAVE AS PART 322 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:53,000 OF THE ARCHIVE THAT BACKS UP 323 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:56,000 THIS BOOK, TRUMP WAS ASKED 324 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:58,000 DIRECTLY HOW DO YOU COME UP WITH 325 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:00,000 THIS NUMBER THAT YOU BANDY ABOUT 326 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:03,000 ABOUT HOW MUCH YOU'RE WORTH? 327 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:05,000 AND HE SAID, QUOTE: IT DEPENDS 328 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:07,000 ON HOW I FEELEN ON A GIVEN -- 329 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:08,000 FEEL ON A GIVEN DAY. 330 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:09,000 [LAUGHTER] 331 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:11,000 NOW, THERE'S ACTUALLY SOMETHING 332 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:13,000 LEGITIMATE ABOUT THAT BECAUSE 333 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:14,000 HIS BRAND IS HIS NAME, AND HIS 334 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:17,000 NAME IS WHAT GIVES VALUE TO MANY 335 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:18,000 OF HIS PROPERTIES AND OTHER 336 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:20,000 BUSINESSES, AND SO PEOPLE DECIDE 337 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:22,000 TO STAY AT A TRUMP HOTEL OR GO 338 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:23,000 TO A TRUMP GOLF COURSE IN PART 339 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:25,000 BECAUSE OF THAT NAME. 340 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:27,000 SO THERE'S A CLEAR VALUE TO IT. 341 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:29,000 AND PUTTING A NUMBER TO THAT 342 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:30,000 VALUE IS MORE AN ART THAN A 343 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:32,000 SCIENCE. 344 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:36,000 BUT HOW HE ASSESSES HIMSELF, 345 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:37,000 TAKES THE ACTUAL ASSESSED VALUE 346 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:39,000 OF PROPERTIES THAT ANYONE CAN 347 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:41,000 LOOK UP ON THE TAX ROLLS, AND HE 348 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:42,000 ADDS THE VALUE THAT HE CONNECTS 349 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:44,000 FROM HIS NAME, HIS REPUTATION 350 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:47,000 AND HIS BRAND. 351 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:51,000 ISSO HE IS A TRICKY FIGURE TO 352 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:53,000 WRITE ABOUT IN THAT SENSE. 353 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:55,000 IN FACT, WHEN HE WAS -- COMEDY 354 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:57,000 CENTRAL, THE CABLE CHANNEL, WAS 355 00:15:57,000 --> 00:15:59,000 GOING TO DO A ROAST OF DONALD 356 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:00,000 TRUMP SOME YEARS BACK, AND THE 357 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:02,000 DIRECTIONS WENT OUT TO THE 358 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:04,000 COMEDIANS WHO WERE GOING TO BE 359 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:06,000 ROASTING HIM THAT, UNLIKE MOST 360 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:09,000 OF THESE ROASTS, HIS FAMILY IS FAIR GAME. 361 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:10,000 YOU CAN JOKE ABOUT HIS KIDS, HIS 362 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:11,000 BACKGROUND, ANY OF THAT IS 363 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:13,000 TOTALLY FAIR. 364 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:14,000 ONLY ONE THING THEY WERE TOLD 365 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:15,000 THEY MAY NOT JOKE ABOUT, AND 366 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:17,000 THAT WAS THE EXTENT OF HIS 367 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:18,000 WEALTH. 368 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:19,000 [LAUGHTER] 369 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:22,000 SO HE'S A TRICKY CHARACTER TO 370 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:24,000 WRITE ABOUT, BUT WE DID HAVE 371 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:26,000 THIS GREAT TEAM OF FOLKS WHO 372 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:28,000 YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR FROM 373 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:31,000 TONIGHT, AND I WANT TO TURN OVER 374 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:32,000 TO MICHAEL KRANISH, MY 375 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:34,000 CO-WRITER, WHO WILL GIVE YOU A 376 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:36,000 COUPLE EXAMPLES OF THE THINGS 377 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:37,000 THAT MADE DONALD TRUMP WHAT HE 378 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:40,000 ISED TODAY. 379 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:42,000 WHAT HE IS TODAY. 380 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:45,000 [APPLAUSE] 381 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:50,000 >> THANK YOU, MARC. 382 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:53,000 THANK EVERYBODY FOR COMING OUT HERE. 383 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:54,000 IT'S A GREAT HONOR TO BE PART OF THIS PROJECT. 384 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:55,000 I DON'T KNOW IF FOLKS KNOW THIS, 385 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:57,000 BUT WHEN I WAS A KID GROWING UP 386 00:16:57,000 --> 00:16:59,000 IN D.C., I WAS A WASHINGTON POST 387 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:00,000 PAPER BOY FOR ABOUT FIFE YEARS. 388 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:01,000 [LAUGHTER] 389 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:02,000 -- FIVE YEARS. 390 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:04,000 I'M THRILLED TO BE HERE WORKING 391 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:06,000 ON THIS PROJECT. 392 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:08,000 I WANT TO TELL YOU A STORY THAT 393 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:09,000 EXPLAINS WHY I THINK BIOGRAPHY 394 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:10,000 IS SO IMPORTANT IN WRITING ABOUT 395 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:12,000 A PRESIDENTIAL BE CANDIDATE. 396 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:13,000 WE DO FANTASTIC STORIES, AND 397 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:15,000 BIOGRAPHY IS SORT OF THE THREAD 398 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:16,000 THAT WE TRY TO PUT TOGETHER. 399 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:18,000 BECAUSE IN THE CASE OF DONALD 400 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:20,000 TRUMP, YOU HAVE A MAN WHO HAS 401 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:22,000 NEVER RUN FOR PUBLIC OFFICE OR 402 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:23,000 HELD PUBLIC OFFICE, SO THERE'S 403 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:25,000 AN AWFUL LOT THAT WE DON'T KNOW 404 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:26,000 ABOUT HIM, EVEN THOUGH HE'S ONE 405 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:27,000 OF THE MOST COVERED FIGURES OF 406 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:29,000 OUR GENERATION. 407 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:31,000 SO IF YOU LOOK AT A PERSON'S 408 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:33,000 LIFE, HOW THEY'VE DEALT WITH 409 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:34,000 CRISES, THAT TO ME IS ONE OF THE 410 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:36,000 MOST IMPORTANT THINGS. 411 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:37,000 SOMEONE WHO HAS DEALT WITH DARK 412 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:39,000 MOMENTS IN THEIR LIFE AND, 413 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:40,000 CERTAINLY, DONALD TRUMP FITS 414 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:42,000 THAT CATEGORY VERY, VERY WELL. 415 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:44,000 SO I WANT TO TAKE YOU TO THE 416 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:45,000 MORNING OF OCTOBER 10TH OF 1989 417 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:47,000 IN ATLANTIC CITY. 418 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:49,000 IT'S A BRIGHT, SUNNY DAY, AND 419 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:51,000 THREE OF DONALD TRUMP'S TOP 420 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:53,000 CASINO EXECUTIVES -- HE'S GOT 421 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:55,000 TWO AT THIS MOMENT X HE'S ABOUT 422 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:56,000 TO OPEN A THIRD, THE TAJ MAHAL. 423 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:58,000 AND THESE THREE EXECUTIVES ARE 424 00:17:58,000 --> 00:17:59,000 ABOUT TO TAKE A HELICOPTER RIDE 425 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:01,000 TO NEW YORK CITY TO MEET WITH 426 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:02,000 DONALD TRUMP AND TO PROMOTE A 427 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:04,000 BOXING MATCH TO BE HELD AT ONE 428 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:08,000 OF HIS CASINOS. 429 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:09,000 SO THE THREE MEN GET ONBOARD A 430 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:11,000 SIKORSKY HELICOPTER, THEY HAVE A 431 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:13,000 PRESS CONFERENCE AT THE PLAZA 432 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:14,000 HOTEL IN NEW YORK, THEY MEET 433 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:15,000 WITH DONALD TRUMP AT THE TRUMP 434 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:17,000 TOWER ON THE 26TH FLOOR. 435 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:19,000 THE MEETING GOES A LITTLE BIT 436 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:21,000 LONG, AND THEY CAN NO LONGER 437 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:24,000 TAKE THE SIKORSKY BACK TO 438 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:26,000 ATLANTIC CITY, SO THEY TAKE AN 439 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:28,000 ITALIAN-MADE AUGUSTA HELICOPTER. 440 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:29,000 THEY BOARD THE HELICOPTER, AND A 441 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:31,000 FEW MINUTES INTO THE FLIGHT 442 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:33,000 THEY'RE OVER THE GARDEN STATE 443 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:35,000 PARKWAY, AND WHAT THEY COULDN'T 444 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:37,000 HAVE KNOWN WAS THAT THERE WAS A 445 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:39,000 SMALL SCRATCH ON ONE OF THE 446 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:41,000 ROTOR BLADES AND THAT HELICOPTER 447 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:44,000 BASICALLY BURST APART, AND THE 448 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:45,000 THREE MEN AND THE TWO CREW WERE 449 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:46,000 KILLED. 450 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:48,000 IT IS ONE OF THE MOST TRAGIC 451 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:49,000 DAYS IN DONALD TRUMP'S LIFE ASK, 452 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:50,000 CERTAINLY, FOR THE PEOPLE KILLED 453 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:52,000 IN THAT TRAGEDY. 454 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:54,000 FOR DONALD TRUMP, I ASKED HIM 455 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:56,000 ABOUT THIS, I TALKED TO HIM 456 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:58,000 EXTENSIVELY ABOUT THIS INCIDENT, 457 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:00,000 AND HE DOES SAY ASIDE FROM THE 458 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:02,000 DEATHS OF HIS PARENTS AND HIS 459 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:03,000 BROTHER, FRED JR., THIS WAS THE 460 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:05,000 MOST DIFFICULT DAY OF HIS LIFE. 461 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:07,000 THESE MEN WERE IN CHARGE OF 462 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:08,000 MAKING SURE HE WOULD BE 463 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:10,000 SUCCESSFUL. 464 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:11,000 DONALD TRUMP HAD BUILT SOME 465 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:13,000 BUILDINGS IN NEW YORK CITY, AND 466 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:16,000 HE WAS TAKING A BIG GAMBLE IN ATLANTIC CITY. 467 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:18,000 AT THAT TIME THIS WAS THE ONLY 468 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:20,000 LEGAL CASINO OPERATION ON THE 469 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:21,000 EAST COAST, SO HE HAD TWO 470 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:22,000 CASINOS, WAS ABOUT TO OPEN A 471 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:25,000 THIRD, AND SUDDENLY THE PEOPLE 472 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:27,000 WHO WERE IN CHARGE OF THAT HAD PERISHED. 473 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:28,000 DONALD TRUMP HAD NOT REALLY 474 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:29,000 FOCUSED HIMSELF ON THAT 475 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:30,000 BUSINESS. 476 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:32,000 IN FACT, AT THE TIME HE WAS 477 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:34,000 HAVING AN AFFAIR WITH MARLA 478 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:36,000 MAPLES, AND AS HE SAID IN 479 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:38,000 INTERVIEWS FOR THIS BOOK, HE HAD 480 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:40,000 TAKEN HIS EYE OFF THE BALL, AND 481 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:41,000 SUDDENLY HE REALIZED HE WAS IN 482 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:43,000 DEEP, DEEP TROUBLE. 483 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:45,000 SO THERE WAS ONE PERSON HE GOT A 484 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:47,000 PHONE CALL FROM SHORTLY AFTER THE ACCIDENT. 485 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:48,000 THAT MAN'S NAME WAS JOHN 486 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:50,000 O'DONNELL, AND O'DONNELL WAS 487 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:51,000 SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN ON THE 488 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:54,000 HELICOPTER RIDE, BUT INSTEAD HE 489 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:56,000 WAS IN HAWAII COMPETING IN AN 490 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:57,000 ATHLETIC EVENT, AND HE'D SENT A 491 00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:59,000 JUNIOR EXECUTIVE. 492 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:00,000 DONALD NOW BASICALLY HAD ALL 493 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:02,000 THIS OPERATION ON HIS SHOULDERS, 494 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:03,000 AND DONALD TRUMP MET WITH HIM 495 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:05,000 WHEN HE CAME BACK FROM HAWAII, 496 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:07,000 AND HE SAID NOW IT'S YOUR TURN 497 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:08,000 AND THEN HE SAID, DON'T LEAVE 498 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:09,000 ME. 499 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:12,000 AND O'DONNELL LATER SAID THIS 500 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:14,000 WAS THE FIRST TIME HE'D SEEN 501 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:16,000 SUCH FEAR AND UNCERTAINTY IN 502 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:17,000 DONALD TRUMP'S EYES AND VOICE. 503 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:19,000 AND LONG STORY SHORT BECAUSE I 504 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:21,000 WANT TO GIVE EVERYBODY A CHANCE 505 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:22,000 TO TALK AND QUESTIONS AND SO 506 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:23,000 FORTH. 507 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:25,000 WHAT HAPPENED NEXT WAS THINGS 508 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:27,000 HAD GOTTEN SO BAD, DONALD TRUMP 509 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:29,000 HAD GONE SO DEEPLY IN DEBT THAT 510 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:31,000 THERE WERE GREAT, GREAT PROBLEMS 511 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:32,000 DESPITE THE PUBLIC ACCLAIM FOR 512 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:34,000 THE OPENING OF THE TAJ MAHAL 513 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:35,000 AND PRETTY SOON ALL THREE 514 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:38,000 CASINOS WENT INTO BANKRUPTCY 515 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:39,000 AND A LOT OF PEOPLE WERE FIRED. 516 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:42,000 DONALD TRUMP SAID SOMEBODY WHO 517 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:44,000 WAS RUNNING THE CASINO BE HAD A 518 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:47,000 TYPE C PERSONALITY, AND HE BLAMED OTHERS. 519 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:49,000 BUT AS I MENTIONED, HE ALSO TOLD 520 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:51,000 US HE'D TAKEN HIS EYE OFF THE BALL. 521 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:53,000 WE TELL THE STORY ABOUT HOW HE 522 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:55,000 MANAGED TO SURVIVE THE ORDEAL OF 523 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:57,000 HIS CAREER IN ATLANTIC CITY, AND 524 00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:58,000 THE FACT THAT HE DID SURVIVE 525 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:00,000 TELLS YOU SOMETHING. 526 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:02,000 HE BASICALLY HAD TO LOOK OUT FOR 527 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:03,000 HIMSELF, AND AS HE TOLD US, I 528 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:05,000 WAS LOOKING OUT FOR DONALD 529 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:07,000 TRUMP, I NEEDED TO SURVIVE, AND 530 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:08,000 THAT'S WHAT MATTERED AT THE MOMENT. 531 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:10,000 AND HE DID SURVIVE. 532 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:12,000 SO WITH THAT STORY, YOU 533 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:13,000 UNDERSTAND WHY THOSE WHO 534 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:14,000 UNDERESTIMATE HIM WOULD DO SO AT 535 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:16,000 THEIR PERIL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 536 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:21,000 [APPLAUSE] 537 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:24,000 >> SO I'M GOING TO TURN TO SOME 538 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:25,000 OF THE OTHER REPORTERS WHO 539 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:27,000 WORKED ON THE BOOK. 540 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:28,000 BOB O'HARE ROW WAS A REPORTER IN 541 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:31,000 THE POST INVESTIGATIONS UNIT 542 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:33,000 AND HE DID SOME OF THE VERY 543 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:35,000 DIFFICULT DOCUMENT WORK ON THIS 544 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:36,000 BOOK AS WELL AS FINDING SOME 545 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:38,000 PEOPLE WHO WOULD TALK ABOUT THAT 546 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:39,000 PERIOD THAT MICHAEL WAS JUST 547 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:42,000 TALKING ABOUT IN ATLANTIC CITY. 548 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:43,000 SOME VERY ROUGH TIMES FOR DONALD 549 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:45,000 TRUMP. 550 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:46,000 AND, BOB, YOU LEARNED A LOT 551 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:48,000 ABOUT TRUMP'S BUSINESS STYLE AND 552 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:50,000 ABOUT THE KINDS OF CHARACTERS HE 553 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:52,000 WAS WILLING TO ASSOCIATE HIMSELF 554 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:54,000 WITH IN ORDER TO GET A START IN 555 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:56,000 A VERY ROUGH AND TUMBLE OF 556 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:58,000 ATLANTIC CITY'S CASINO WORLD. 557 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:00,000 TALK TO US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT. 558 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:03,000 >> IT'S ACTUALLY REMARKABLE 559 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:05,000 BECAUSE IT WAS A LONG TIME AGO 560 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:06,000 BUT IT FEELS VERY FRESH. 561 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:08,000 AND I THINK PREDICTIVE IN SOME 562 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:09,000 WAYS ABOUT THE TYPE OF 563 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:11,000 PERSONALITY THAT HE IS. 564 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:12,000 PROBABLY THE MOST FORMIDABLE 565 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:14,000 CHARACTER THAT HE CONNECTED 566 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:17,000 HIMSELF WITH WAS ROY COHN, AND 567 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:18,000 IF PEOPLE DON'T REMEMBER ROY 568 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:20,000 COHN, HE'S WORTH LOOKING INTO. 569 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:22,000 HE WAS THE BRAINS BEHIND THE 570 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:24,000 McCARTHY HEARINGS IN THE '50s. 571 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:26,000 AND HE WAS A BRILLIANT 572 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:28,000 SOMETHING OF A PRODIGY AS A 573 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:33,000 YOUNG MAN AND WAS PRETTY MUCH A 574 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:34,000 SAVAGE LEGAL MIND WHO FOCUSED ON 575 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:37,000 ATTACKING AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE 576 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:40,000 AND NEVER APOLOGIZING. 577 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:42,000 AND HE RAN INTO TRUMP IN EARLY 578 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:45,000 '70s, AND TRUMP EMBRACED HIM 579 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:46,000 AND THEY BECAME, THEY DEVELOPED 580 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:48,000 AN INTERESTING RELATIONSHIP THAT 581 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:52,000 WAS BOTH LEGAL AND A FRIENDSHIP. 582 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:53,000 AND COHN SORT OF SQUIRED HIM 583 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:55,000 AROUND NEW YORK, INTRODUCED HIM 584 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:57,000 TO A LOT OF POWERFUL PEOPLE. 585 00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:59,000 AND I THINK THAT THAT WAS 586 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:00,000 PROBABLY, SET THE TONE FOR MUCH 587 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:03,000 OF THE REST OF HIS CAREER. 588 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:05,000 COHN REPRESENTED HIM THROUGH THE 589 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:07,000 '80s, AND THERE ARE QUALITIES 590 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:10,000 THAT WE SEE IN DONALD TRUMP NOW 591 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,000 SOME OF THE HARSHER QUALITIES 592 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:15,000 THAT ARE REMARKABLY SIMILAR TO 593 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:17,000 ROY COHN'S METHODS AND DEMEANOR. 594 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:19,000 >> AND JUST BRIEFLY, TELL US A 595 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:21,000 LITTLE BIT ABOUT ASSEMBLING THE 596 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:23,000 DOCUMENTS THAT GAVE US INSIGHTS 597 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:24,000 INTO TRUMP'S FINANCES IN THAT 598 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:26,000 PERIOD. 599 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:28,000 >> OH, THERE'S A MASSIVE TROVE 600 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:30,000 OF INFORMATION, AND WE PROBABLY 601 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:32,000 TAPPED, WELL, WE TAPPED A LOT OF 602 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:34,000 IT, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF 603 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:35,000 MATERIAL TO BE EXAMINED. 604 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:37,000 ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE FOUND 605 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:40,000 IS THAT DONALD TRUMP HAS 606 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:43,000 SURROUNDED HIMSELF IN COMPLEXITY 607 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:44,000 AND KIND OF A CLOUD OF OBSCURITY 608 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:47,000 THROUGHOUT HIS CAREER. 609 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:49,000 DEALS ARE COMPLEX, ANSWERS ARE 610 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:52,000 COMPLEX AND VAGUE OFTEN TIMES 611 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:54,000 AND THE DOCUMENTS THAT WE WERE 612 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:55,000 ABLE THE COMPILE PARTICULARLY 613 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:57,000 FROM THE CASINO CONTROL 614 00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:59,000 COMMISSION IN NEW JERSEY HELPED 615 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:03,000 US TO CUT THROUGH THE FOG OF 616 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:05,000 OBFUSCATION AND TO GET TO PARTICULARS. 617 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:08,000 AND THE ONE THAT WAS MOST 618 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:09,000 STRIKING TO ME -- AND IT WAS SO 619 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:11,000 STRIKING I ACTUALLY DID NOT 620 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,000 BELIEVE IT FOR A WHILE UNTIL I 621 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:14,000 REPORTED IT THOROUGHLY AND 622 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:18,000 REALIZED IT WAS TRUE, WAS THAT 623 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:20,000 WHEN DONALD TRUMP WAS TRYING TO 624 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,000 GET HIS THIRD CASINO, THE TAJ, 625 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:23,000 HE HAD TO SHOW THAT HE WAS 626 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,000 FINANCIALLY CAPABLE OF MANAGING 627 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:27,000 HIMSELF AND MAKING IT THRIVE. 628 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:31,000 AND HE PROMISED THE REGULATORS 629 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:34,000 THAT HE WAS NOT GOING TO USE 630 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:36,000 JUNK BONDS TO FINANCE THE TAJ. 631 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,000 AND IN THE, HIS TESTIMONY WHICH 632 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,000 IS IN BLACK AND WHITE, YOU CAN 633 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:44,000 ACTUALLY READ IT ONLINE, HE SAYS 634 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:46,000 THAT PEOPLE THAT USE JUNK BONDS 635 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:47,000 ARE LOSERS, IN EFFECT, AND THAT 636 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:48,000 THEY'RE STUPID, AND THAT 637 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:50,000 COMPANIES THAT USE JUNK BONDS 638 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:52,000 ARE, IN EFFECT, JUNK. 639 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:54,000 AND IT WAS ONLY -- AND THEY 640 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,000 APPROVED HIS MOVE TO GO FORWARD, 641 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:58,000 AND IT WAS ONLY A FEW MONTHS 642 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:00,000 LATER THAT HE COULD NOT RAISE 643 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:01,000 THE MONEY AT THE LOW PRIME RATES 644 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,000 THAT HE HAD PROMISED AND USED 645 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:05,000 JUNK BONDS. 646 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:06,000 AND IN MAKING THAT DECISION AND 647 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:10,000 ACTUALLY SIGNING OFF ON THOSE 648 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,000 JUNK BONDS, HE SEALED HIS FATE 649 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,000 AND HIS WHOLE EMPIRE WAS ALMOST 650 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:15,000 CERTAIN TO GO DOWN THE TUBES AS 651 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:19,000 WAS PREDICTED BY A FINANCIAL 652 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:20,000 ANALYST WHO WAS WATCHING 653 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:22,000 EVERYTHING VERY CLOSELY. 654 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:23,000 SO THAT'S THE KIND OF DETAIL WE 655 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,000 WERE ABLE TO MINE TO GET TO THE 656 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:26,000 PARTICULARS RATHER THAN THE 657 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:27,000 GENERALITIES THAT HAD SURROUNDED 658 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:29,000 HIM AND THAT HE SURROUNDED 659 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:31,000 HIMSELF WITH. 660 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:33,000 >> MARY JORDAN IS THE NATIONAL 661 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:35,000 REPORTER AT THE POST WHO LED THE 662 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:37,000 GROUP OF REPORTERS WHO LOOKED 663 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:39,000 INTO DONALD TRUMP'S FAMILY, HIS 664 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:41,000 RELATIONSHIPS WITH HIS WIVES 665 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:44,000 THREE WIVES AND HIS FIVE 666 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:45,000 CHILDREN, AND AS PART OF THAT WE 667 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:46,000 MADE AN EFFORT TO TALK TO ALL OF 668 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:47,000 THOSE PEOPLE. 669 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:49,000 TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT 670 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:50,000 THAT WAS LIKE AND WHAT CAME OUT OF I IT. 671 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:52,000 >> SO I GOT THE WOMEN. 672 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,000 [LAUGHTER] 673 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:57,000 AND KAREN HELLER IS HERE 674 00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:58,000 ANOTHER GREAT REPORTER, AND BOY, 675 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,000 WAS THAT INTERESTING. OKAY. 676 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:02,000 THERES HAS NEVER BEEN A 677 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:03,000 PRESIDENT WHO HAS THREE WIVES 678 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:04,000 ALIVE WALKING AROUND. 679 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:05,000 [LAUGHTER] 680 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:06,000 THAT'S NEVER HAPPENED, RIGHT? 681 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:07,000 AND WHERE ARE THEY? 682 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,000 WE KNOW EVERYTHING. 683 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,000 THIS GUY IS ON THE AIR ALL THE 684 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:12,000 TIME. 685 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:16,000 WHERE IS HIS FIRST WIFE, IVANA 686 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:17,000 THE FAMOUS ONE WHO WAS THE ONE 687 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:21,000 IN FACT, FROM THE FORMER 688 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:22,000 CZECHOSLOVAKIA WHO COINED THE 689 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,000 TERM, THE DONALD. 690 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,000 SHE'S ALSO THE ONE WHEN THEY HAD 691 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:29,000 A WICKED, WICKED PUBLIC DIVORCE, 692 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:31,000 IT WAS ON THE COVER EVERY DAY OF 693 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:32,000 TABLOIDS, SAID DON'T GET MAD 694 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:33,000 GET EVERYTHING. 695 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:35,000 [LAUGHTER] OKAY. 696 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:36,000 THIS WOMAN LIKES TO TALK, AND 697 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:38,000 SHE'S JUST DISAPPEARED. 698 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:40,000 NEVER SEE HER. 699 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:41,000 SECOND WIFE, SHE'S STILL ALIVE 700 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:44,000 SHE'S BEEN MARRIED FOUR TIMES 701 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,000 AND DONALD WENT TO HER FOURTH WEDDING. 702 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:48,000 BUT MARLA MAPLES COMES ALONG 703 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:49,000 AND HE'S STILL MARRIED 704 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:51,000 INCONVENIENTLY TO THE FIRST 705 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:52,000 WOMAN, AND SO THIS WAS HIDDEN 706 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:55,000 FOR A WHILE, BUT THEN THERE WAS 707 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:57,000 THIS BIG SCENE IN ASPEN AT 708 00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:58,000 CHRISTMAS TIME, AND THE TWO 709 00:26:58,000 --> 00:26:59,000 WOMEN WERE FIGHTING OVER DONALD. 710 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:00,000 HE LOVED IT. 711 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,000 IT WAS IN THE PAPER. 712 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,000 AT THAT TIME HE WASN'T RUNNING 713 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:05,000 FOR OFFICE X HE LOVED, LOVED 714 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,000 THAT WOMEN -- HE WAS ON PAGE 6 715 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:10,000 IN THE TABLOIDS IN NEW YORK. 716 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,000 IN FACT, MANY, MANY PEOPLE WE 717 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:14,000 TALKED TO SAID HE CULTIVATED THIS. 718 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:16,000 HE LOVED BEING IN THE NEWSPAPER 719 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:18,000 ABOUT THIS, THIS WOMAN. 720 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:21,000 AND AND NOW ALONG CAME -- AND THAT WOMAN. 721 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,000 AND ALONG CAME MARLA MAPLES WITH 722 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,000 A GREAT NAME, FORMER BEAUTY 723 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:26,000 PAGEANT WINNER IN GEORGIA. 724 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:29,000 IT WASN'T EVEN, LIKE, MISS 725 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,000 GEORGIA, IT'S LIKE MISS PEACH. 726 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:33,000 [LAUGHTER] 727 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,000 BUT SHE WAS VERY, OBVIOUSLY, 728 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:39,000 VERY GOOD LOOKING AND YOUNGER 729 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,000 AND IN THE END HE GOT DIVORCED 730 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:42,000 FROM IVANA, MARRIED MARLA. 731 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,000 WHERE IS SHE? SHE'S GONE. 732 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:45,000 YOU DON'T SEE HER AT ALL DURING 733 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,000 THIS CAMPAIGN. 734 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:50,000 IT IS REALLY STUNNING. 735 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,000 ESPECIALLY -- AND THE LAST THING 736 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,000 I JUST POSTED A STORY A COUPLE 737 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:55,000 HOURS AGO, TODAY, ABOUT HIS 738 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,000 CURRENT WIFE -- OR I SHOULD SAY 739 00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:58,000 HIS THIRD WIFE, BECAUSE IF YOU 740 00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,000 SAY CURRENT WIFE, SOMETIMES 741 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:02,000 PEOPLE THINK THERE'S MORE 742 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:06,000 COMING. [LAUGHTER] 743 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,000 BUT ANYWAY, SO HIS THIRD WIFE, 744 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:12,000 MELANIA TRUMP, SHE WAS MISS -- 745 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,000 SHE HAS NOD BEEN HEARD OF SINCE 746 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:15,000 THE -- NOT BEEN HEARD OF SINCE 747 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,000 THE REPUBLICAN NATIONAL 748 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,000 CONVENTION ON THE 21ST OF JULY. 749 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:20,000 WE'RE IN THE HOME STRETCH OF A 750 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,000 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN WHERE IF 751 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:23,000 HE WINS, SHE IS THE FIRST LADY 752 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:24,000 OF THE UNITED STATES. 753 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,000 SHE HAS AN OFFICE IN THE WHITE 754 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,000 HOUSE, SHE HAS A PUBLIC 755 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,000 PLATFORM, AND SHE HAS LITERALLY GONE SILENT. 756 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:34,000 IT'S VERY, VERY UNUSUAL. 757 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:35,000 AS MANY THINGS IN THIS CAMPAIGN 758 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:36,000 ARE UNUSUAL. 759 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:38,000 OKAY. 760 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:41,000 SO THREE WIVES, ALL OF THEM ARE 761 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:43,000 NOT TALKING WHILE THE KIDS ARE. 762 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,000 BUT JUST IF I COULD FOR A 763 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:48,000 MINUTE, LET'S ROLL BACK, A BOOK 764 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,000 ON HIS LIFE ABOUT WHAT IT USED 765 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:52,000 TO BE ABOUT DONALD AND WOMEN. 766 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:53,000 HE USED TO GO ON HOWARD STERN, 767 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:54,000 FOR INSTANCE. 768 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,000 HE WAS THE SHOCK JOCK. 769 00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,000 AND HE'D GO ON ALL THE TIME. 770 00:28:58,000 --> 00:28:59,000 AND STERN WOULD SAY, DONALD, 771 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:04,000 WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT DIANE 772 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:05,000 SAWYER, WOULD YOU DO HER, YOU 773 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:06,000 KNOW? AND ALL THIS KIND OF TALK. 774 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,000 AND IT WAS MUCH MORE GRAPHIC 775 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,000 THAN THAT. 776 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:11,000 AND HE WAS ALWAYS TALKING ABOUT 777 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,000 WOMEN, HE WAS ALWAYS TALKING 778 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:16,000 ABOUT HOW PRINCESS DIANA GOT 779 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,000 AWAY FROM HIM, YOU KNOW, IF HE 780 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:19,000 ONLY HAD A CHANCE REALLY TO GO 781 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:20,000 YOU KNOW? 782 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:23,000 BUT WOMEN DEFINED HIM. 783 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,000 AND I THINK WHEN WE TALK TO 784 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,000 PEOPLE WHO KNOW HIM, KNEW HIM IN 785 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:28,000 THE '80s, THE '90s, THEY 786 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,000 SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT? 787 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:31,000 THERE WERE A LOT OF RICH PEOPLE 788 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:32,000 IN NEW YORK. 789 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,000 THERE WERE A LOT OF RICH PEOPLE 790 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:35,000 WHO HAD BUILDINGS IN NEW YORK, 791 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,000 BUT THERE WAS ONLY ONE DONALD 792 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:39,000 TRUMP WHO WAS ALWAYS IN THE 793 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:40,000 PAPER WITH SOME OTHER BABE WHO 794 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:41,000 WANTED HIM, AND THAT WAS A 795 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:42,000 DIRECT QUOTE FROM SOMEONE WHO 796 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:43,000 KNEW HIM. 797 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,000 SO I THINK FOR A LONG TIME WOMEN 798 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,000 GOT ATTENTION FOR DONALD TRUMP. 799 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:48,000 AND FOR SOME REASON, I THINK HE 800 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:49,000 LIKED ATTENTION. 801 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:50,000 [LAUGHTER] 802 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:54,000 AND I THINK THAT HE, WHEN YOU GO 803 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,000 TO HIS OFFICE, I'VE INTERVIEWED 804 00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:57,000 HIM IN HIS OFFICE, AND I'VE 805 00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:59,000 TALKED TO MELANIA ON THE PHONE 806 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:02,000 IT'S VERY STRIKING THAT THERE'S 807 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:03,000 ONLY REALLY GOOD LOOKING WOMEN 808 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:06,000 IN THE OFFICE. 809 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:07,000 HE TALKS ABOUT WOMEN'S 810 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:10,000 APPEARANCES NONSTOP. 811 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:11,000 I MEAN, HE'S 70 YEARS OLD, AND I 812 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:14,000 KNOW A LOT OF OLDER PEOPLE 813 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,000 OFTEN, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY SEE 814 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:17,000 SOMEBODY, THEY SAY IT, BUT IT'S 815 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:20,000 VERY UNUSUAL TO HAVE A PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE -- AND 816 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:21,000 HE'S GETTING TRIPPED UP ON THIS 817 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:22,000 EVERY SO OFTEN, BECAUSE 818 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,000 APPEARANCES DO MATTER. 819 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,000 SO IN CONTRAST TO THE OLD DAYS 820 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:27,000 WHERE HE JUST LOVED TALKING 821 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,000 ABOUT DONALD TRUMP AND WOMEN, WE 822 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:31,000 DON'T HEAR FROM THEM ANYMORE. 823 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:33,000 >> MARY HAD AN ESPECIALLY 824 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,000 REVEALING INTERVIEW WITH DONALD 825 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,000 TRUMP'S LAWYER ABOUT THIS 826 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:39,000 QUESTION OF HOW -- TRUMP HAD 827 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:41,000 SPENT YEARS AND YEARS 828 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:43,000 CULTIVATING THIS PLAYBOY IMAGE 829 00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:45,000 AND INVITING REPORTERS TO COME 830 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,000 OUT AND SEE HIM AT A CLUB WHEN 831 00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:48,000 HE WOULD BE THERE WITH THE 832 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:52,000 PRETTIEST MODELS. 833 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,000 AND YET HIS LAWYER TOLD YOU WHEN 834 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:55,000 THE CAMERAS WERE TURNED OFF, IT 835 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:57,000 WAS ACTUALLY A VERY DIFFERENT 836 00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,000 KIND OF DYNAMIC. 837 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,000 >> WELL, HE WOULD GO TO ALL THE 838 00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:03,000 NIGHTCLUB OPENINGS, STUDIO 54 IN 839 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,000 THE DAY. 840 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:07,000 ESPECIALLY DURING THIS GAP WHEN 841 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:09,000 HE WASN'T MARRIED, AFTER MARLA 842 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:10,000 MAPLES AND BEFORE MELANIA, THAT 843 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:11,000 HE WASN'T MARRIED. 844 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,000 AND HE BLITZED THE SCENE. 845 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:14,000 BUT HE WAS VERY CAREFUL ABOUT 846 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,000 HOW HE SPENT HIS TIME, BECAUSE 847 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:19,000 IT WAS WHERE THERE WERE CAMERAS. 848 00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:21,000 AND HE WAS ALWAYS WITH MODELS. 849 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,000 HE WOULD CALL MODELING AGENCIES 850 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:24,000 UP AND, IN FACT, WHEN HE HAD 851 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:28,000 PARTIES, MAKE SURE THAT HIS OWN 852 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:29,000 PARTIES HAD A RATIO OF 5 TO 1, 853 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,000 GORGEOUS WOMEN TO MEN. 854 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:33,000 YOU KNOW, CONSTANTLY SURROUNDING 855 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:34,000 HIMSELF WITH WOMEN AND AT 856 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:35,000 OPENINGS. 857 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:38,000 SO I SAID TO HIS LAWYER, YOU 858 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:39,000 KNOW, HOW DID HE HAVE TIME FOR 859 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:40,000 THIS? 860 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,000 HE'S ALWAYS TELLING MANY ME THAT 861 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:43,000 HE'S WORK -- HOW COULD I DO ALL 862 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:44,000 THIS STUFF, MARY? 863 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,000 I MEAN, I'M WORKING. 864 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,000 I HAVE ALL THIS MONEY AND 865 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:49,000 RESPONSIBILITY, I HAVE GREAT 866 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:50,000 BUILDINGS, HAVE YOU SEEN MY 867 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:51,000 GREAT BUILDINGS? 868 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:52,000 [LAUGHTER] 869 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:53,000 THIS IS HOW HE TALKS, HOW COULD 870 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:54,000 I POSSIBLY HAVE BEEN WITH ALL 871 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:57,000 THESE WOMEN? 872 00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:58,000 SO ASKED DICK GOLDBERG, AND HE 873 00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,000 AGREED COMPLETELY. 874 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:01,000 HE SAID, ACTUALLY, HE'S ON THE 875 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:04,000 TRUMP TOWER AND HE WORKS IN PART 876 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:05,000 OF IT, HE REALLY JUST LIKES TO 877 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,000 TAKE THE ELEVATOR UP AND TURN ON 878 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:08,000 THE TUBE AND WATCH TV. 879 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,000 SO I SAID THIS TO TRUMP AND 880 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,000 TRUMP SAID, WELL, YOU KNOW 881 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:15,000 MAYBE IT WASN'T AS GLAMOROUS AS 882 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,000 IT'S OUT TO BE. 883 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:18,000 I MEAN, IMAGE, YOU KNOW, HE WAS 884 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,000 GREAT AT GETTING ATTENTION. 885 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,000 I MEAN, HOW MANY WOMEN DID HE 886 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:23,000 REALLY IS HAVE AND HOW MUCH TV? 887 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:24,000 I DON'T KNOW. 888 00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,000 [LAUGHTER] 889 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:31,000 >> ROBERT SAMUELS LOOKED INTO 890 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,000 THE TRANSITION DONALD TRUMP MADE 891 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,000 FROM CELEBRITY INTO POLITICIAN, 892 00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,000 SO TELL US A LITTLE -- DID HE 893 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:44,000 SEE THIS AS A COMPLETELY 894 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:45,000 DIFFERENT KIND OF PURSUIT, OR 895 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:46,000 WAS IT KIND OF A NATURAL 896 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:49,000 PROGRESSION FOR HIM? >> RIGHT. 897 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:50,000 WELL, ONE OF THE GOVERNING 898 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:53,000 QUESTIONS THAT I WAS REALLY 899 00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:55,000 INTERESTED IN FINDING WAS WHY IS 900 00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:57,000 THIS MAN DOING THIS? [LAUGHTER] 901 00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:59,000 AND IT WAS VERY CLEAR FROM 902 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:02,000 SPEAKING WITH PEOPLE WHO KNEW 903 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:03,000 HIM THAT AT SOME POINT HE DIDN'T 904 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,000 REALIZE THE PHENOMENON AND THE 905 00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:06,000 MOVEMENT THAT THAT WE'VE SEEN 906 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:10,000 SWEEP ACROSS THE COUNTRY. 907 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:11,000 WHAT WE KNOW THROUGH HIS 908 00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:14,000 POLITICAL LIFE AND AFFILIATION 909 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,000 IS THAT HE DIDN'T REALLY HAVE 910 00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,000 MUCH STOMACH FOR PARTISAN 911 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,000 PRINCIPLES. 912 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,000 BETWEEN 1999 AND 2012, HE 913 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:23,000 CHANGED POLITICAL PARTIES SEVEN 914 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:26,000 TIMES. [LAUGHTER] 915 00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:30,000 HE'S DONATED BETWEEN 1995 AND 916 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:33,000 2012, HE DONATED $3.1 MILLION BY 917 00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:34,000 HIMSELF WITHOUT LOOKING AT HIS 918 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:35,000 COMPANIES TO ALL SORTS OF OLD 919 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:36,000 DECISIONS. 920 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:37,000 HE DONATED TO CLINTON, HE 921 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,000 DONATED TO CARTER. 922 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:42,000 HE LOVED RONALD REAGAN. 923 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:45,000 SO WHAT IS THIS ABOUT REALLY? 924 00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:47,000 AND TO DO THAT, WE STARTED 925 00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,000 LOOKING AT LOTS AND LOTS OF 926 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,000 FOOTAGE AND INTERVIEWS THAT HE'S 927 00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,000 DONE OVER THE YEARS, AND WE 928 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,000 TALKED SOME PEOPLE INTO SHOWING 929 00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:57,000 US THE UNAIRED, UNEDITED 930 00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:01,000 VERSIONS OF THESE TAPES. 931 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:02,000 AND EARLY ON FROM HIS VERY FIRST 932 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:05,000 MAJOR NETWORK TELEVISION 933 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,000 INTERVIEW THIS 1980 -- IN 1980 934 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:08,000 WE SEE A THEME THAT STARTS TO 935 00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:09,000 EMERGE. 936 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:10,000 HE'S TALKING ABOUT A BUILDING, 937 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,000 AND THEN HE BEGINS TO RAIL ON 938 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,000 THE IDEA THAT AMERICA'S BEING 939 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,000 LAUGHED AT, THAT THERE'S 940 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,000 SOMETHING THAT'S HAPPENING IN 941 00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:19,000 THE POLITICAL SYSTEM WHERE 942 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,000 LEADERS AREN'T STRONG ENOUGH 943 00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:23,000 LIKE THEY USED TO BE. 944 00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,000 AND HE BEGINS TO PONDER WHETHER 945 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:28,000 OR NOT POLITICIANS TODAY CAN BE 946 00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,000 LIKE AN ABRAHAM LINCOLN, ASK HE 947 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,000 SAYS ABRAHAM LINCOLN COULD NEVER 948 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:35,000 WIN THIS 1980 BECAUSE HE WAS TOO 949 00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:37,000 UGLY, HE DID NOT LOOK GOOD ON 950 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:38,000 TV, AND HE DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO 951 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:39,000 MASTER THE MEDIA. 952 00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:41,000 AND THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED 953 00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:44,000 STATES IN THIS MODERN ERA NEEDS 954 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:47,000 TO KNOW HOW TO DO THESE SKILLS. 955 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:50,000 AND SO WHAT WE SEE OVER THE 956 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:51,000 COURSE OF TIME IS DONALD TRUMP 957 00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:53,000 ASSESSING POLITICIANS AND 958 00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:58,000 PRESIDENTS ON THEIR ABILITY TO 959 00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:01,000 AFFECT MESSAGES, TO COMMUNICATE 960 00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:02,000 MESSAGES EFFECTIVELY AND TO 961 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:05,000 FIGURE OUT WHETHER OR NOT THEY 962 00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,000 MAKE THE COUNTRY FEEL GREAT 963 00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:10,000 AGAIN. 964 00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,000 AND EVERYONE DOES A PRETTY OKAY 965 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:13,000 JOB UNTIL OBAMA WHO HE CONSIDERS 966 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:16,000 A TOTAL DISASTER. 967 00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:19,000 BY THIS POINT IN 2012, DONALD 968 00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:22,000 TRUMP HAS MASTERED THE CELEBRITY 969 00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,000 THAT HE SAID THOSE GREAT MINDS 970 00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,000 IN 1980 DID NOT MASTER. 971 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:28,000 HE'S BECOME THE STAR OF "THE 972 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,000 APPRENTICE," HE HAS THIS TWITTER 973 00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,000 FOLLOWING THAT EVERYONE ENJOYS BECAUSE HE'S TALKING ABOUT 974 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:33,000 EVERYTHING FROM WHETHER OR NOT 975 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,000 BARACK OBAMA'S FROM THE UNITED 976 00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:36,000 STATES TO WHETHER OR NOT KATY 977 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:37,000 PERRY'S MARRIAGES ARE GOING TO 978 00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:38,000 WORK OUT. 979 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,000 [LAUGHTER] 980 00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:43,000 AND HE DECIDES THAT HE IS, IN 981 00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,000 FACT, THE PERSON WHO COULD BEST 982 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:46,000 SYMBOLIZE THE GREATNESS AND 983 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,000 TOUGH LEADERSHIP OF AMERICA. 984 00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:51,000 AND SO THERE'S A LOT OF -- 985 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:52,000 THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF SKEPTICISM 986 00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:53,000 ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT DONALD 987 00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:55,000 TRUMP WANTED TO DO THIS, WHETHER 988 00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,000 HE WANTED TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT. 989 00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:59,000 BUT IT IS TRUE THAT DAYS AFTER 990 00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:01,000 ROMNEY LOST THAT ELECTION, HE 991 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,000 WAS THE ONE WHO FILED AN 992 00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:04,000 APPLICATION TO THE PATENT 993 00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:07,000 OFFICE, AND HE COPYRIGHTED ONE 994 00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:08,000 PHRASE, AND THAT PHRASE WAS 995 00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,000 "MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN." 996 00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:15,000 9 AND SO YOU SEE THE THEMATICS 997 00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,000 OF HIS CAMPAIGN STARTING EARLY 998 00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:19,000 ON IN HIS PUBLIC PERSONA, BUT IT 999 00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,000 HAD BEEN SOMETHING HE HAD BEEN 1000 00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:22,000 THINKING ABOUT AND TOYING AROUND 1001 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,000 WITH FOR SEVERAL DECADES. 1002 00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,000 >> GREAT. 1003 00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:29,000 THERE'S ONE PIECE OF VIDEO THAT 1004 00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:32,000 YOU GOT FROM, IT WAS AN OLD RONA 1005 00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,000 BARRETT CELEBRITY INTERVIEW FROM 1006 00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:35,000 THE 1980s WHICH HAD NEVER 1007 00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,000 AIRED, YOU GOT PARTS THAT HAD 1008 00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:38,000 NEVER AIRED, AND HE WAS 1009 00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,000 REMARKABLY SIMILAR IN THE WAY HE 1010 00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:42,000 TALKED ABOUT POLITICAL ISSUES, 1011 00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:45,000 BUT HE WAS ALSO VERY FRANK ABOUT 1012 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,000 THE SORT OF DYNAMIC ABOUT WHAT 1013 00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:48,000 WAS MAKING HIM DECIDE TO RUN OR 1014 00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,000 NOT TO RUN. WAS THAT -- 1015 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:51,000 >> IT'S INTERESTING, AND MAYBE 1016 00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:55,000 IT WAS BECAUSE IT WAS SO EARLY 1017 00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:57,000 IN DONALD TRUMP'S POLITICAL 1018 00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:58,000 CAREER, BUT RONA BARRETT REALLY 1019 00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:01,000 GOT PROBABLY THE BEST 1020 00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,000 INFORMATION OUT OF DONALD TRUMP 1021 00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:06,000 THAN ANY INTERVIEW THAT I HAD 1022 00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:11,000 SEEN, US NOTWITHSTANDING. [LAUGHTER] 1023 00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:14,000 AND YOU SEE, YOU SEE HIM GOING 1024 00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:15,000 THROUGH -- HE -- RONA BARRETT 1025 00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:16,000 ASKED HIM, DO YOU WANT TO BE 1026 00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,000 PRESIDENT? 1027 00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:20,000 HE SAID, NO, I LOVE BUILDING 1028 00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:21,000 I'M AN AROUND THE U.S., I LOVE 1029 00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:23,000 BUILDING -- ARTIST, I LOVE 1030 00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:26,000 BUILDING MY BUILDINGS, AND OVER 1031 00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:27,000 IT REALLY AFFECTS HIM. 1032 00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:30,000 HE STARTS TO TAKE TO THIS IDEA 1033 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:31,000 THAT, HUH, MAYBE ONE DAY I COULD 1034 00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:32,000 BE PRESIDENT. 1035 00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:33,000 PARTICULARLY BECAUSE PEOPLE 1036 00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:34,000 CONTINUOUSLY ASK HIM WHETHER OR 1037 00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,000 NOT HE WANTS TO BE THE PRESIDENT 1038 00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:39,000 OF THE UNITED STATES. 1039 00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:40,000 >> AND HE SHOWS UP IN POLLS 1040 00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,000 THROUGH THE DECADES AGAIN AND 1041 00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,000 AGAIN NOT BECAUSE HE WAS RUNNING 1042 00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:45,000 FOR ANYTHING, BUT BECAUSE OF HIS 1043 00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:48,000 NAME RECOGNITION, PEOPLE PUT HIM 1044 00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:49,000 ON POLLS, AND HE DID VERY WELL. 1045 00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:50,000 SO IT KIND OF BUILT. 1046 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,000 WELL, WE WANT TO TURN IT OVER TO 1047 00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:53,000 ALL OF YOU TO TAKE YOUR 1048 00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:55,000 QUESTIONS, SO IF YOU WANT TO 1049 00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,000 RAISE YOUR HAND, WE'LL HAVE THE 1050 00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:00,000 FOLKS WITH THE MICROPHONES COME 1051 00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,000 BY AND START -- GO AHEAD. 1052 00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:04,000 YEP. 1053 00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:05,000 >> COULD YOU DISCUSS HIS PERSONALITY? 1054 00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,000 WAS HE WARM? 1055 00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,000 DID HE LOOK YOU IN THE IDEA? 1056 00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,000 WAS HE RESERVED? 1057 00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:13,000 DID YOU SEE HIM WITH MELANIA? 1058 00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:14,000 A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HIS PERSONALITY. 1059 00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:15,000 >> SURE. 1060 00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,000 IN OUR INTERVIEWS AT TRUMP 1061 00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,000 TOWER, THEY WERE IN HIS OFFICE 1062 00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:21,000 ON THE 26TH FLOOR WITH THIS 1063 00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,000 GLORIOUS VIEW OF CENTRAL PARK 1064 00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,000 AND FIFTH EAVE, AND HE WAS -- 1065 00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:27,000 FIFTH AVENUE, AND HE WAS VERY 1066 00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:28,000 COURTEOUS AND WAS, YOU KNOW, AS 1067 00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:29,000 I SAID BEFORE, QUITE GENEROUS 1068 00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,000 WITH HIS TIME. 1069 00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:34,000 WE NEVER SAW MELANIA. 1070 00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:35,000 HIS KIDS WOULD WANDER IN, IVANKA 1071 00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,000 AND ERIC WOULD WANDER IN FROM 1072 00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:40,000 TIME TO TIME. 1073 00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:41,000 AND TALK WITH HIM ABOUT A 1074 00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:44,000 BUSINESS TRIP HE WERE GOING ON 1075 00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:45,000 OR A PROBLEM AT THE PROPERTY IN 1076 00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,000 MIAMI. 1077 00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:48,000 BUT HE'S VERY SOFT SPOKEN IN 1078 00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:50,000 THAT SETTING. 1079 00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:53,000 YOU GET NONE OF THE BLUSTER THAT 1080 00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:55,000 WE'RE FAMILIAR WITH FROM THE RALLIES. 1081 00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,000 AND HE -- ON THE OTHER HAND, IT 1082 00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:58,000 IS DIFFICULT TO HAVE A LINEAR 1083 00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,000 CONVERSATION WITH HIM. 1084 00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:01,000 YOU CAN ASK HIM ABOUT STUFF, AND 1085 00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:03,000 HE KNOWS HIS FIELD 1086 00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:06,000 EXTRAORDINARILY WELL. 1087 00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:08,000 IF YOU ASK HIM ABOUT BUSINESS 1088 00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:12,000 DEALS HE MADE IN 1978, HE WILL 1089 00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:13,000 REMEMBER BUILDING MATERIALS AND 1090 00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:15,000 SUBCONTRACTORS' NAMES AND THE 1091 00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:17,000 WHOLE PROCESS OF MAKING, OF 1092 00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,000 WORKING THROUGH A NEGOTIATION. 1093 00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:20,000 BUT IF YOU ASK HIM ANYTHING THAT 1094 00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:24,000 VEERS OFF OF WHAT HE KNOWS BEST, 1095 00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:26,000 THE KNOWLEDGE BASE IS VERY THIN, 1096 00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:28,000 AND HE TENDS TO CHANGE THE TOPIC 1097 00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:31,000 VERY QUICKLY, A SENTENCE OR TWO 1098 00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:32,000 AND HE'S OFF ON TO SOMETHING 1099 00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:34,000 ELSE. 1100 00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:37,000 HE HAS SORT OF BASE TOPICS THAT 1101 00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:39,000 HE GOES BACK TO WHEN HE'S A 1102 00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,000 LITTLE BIT FLUSTERED ABOUT NOT 1103 00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:42,000 KNOWING SOMETHING. 1104 00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:43,000 HE'LL ALL OF A SUDDEN TALK ABOUT 1105 00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,000 HIS TV RATINGS. 1106 00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:47,000 >> THERE'S ANOTHER THING THAT HE WOULD DO. 1107 00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:48,000 I SPOKE TO HIM ONLY ON THE PHONE 1108 00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,000 SEVERAL TIMES. 1109 00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:51,000 IF HE WAS PRESSED ON SOMETHING 1110 00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,000 HE WOULD ALMOST SEEM TO GET 1111 00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:54,000 CAUGHT IN A GROOVE, AND HE WOULD 1112 00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,000 REPEAT THE SAME THING OVER AND 1113 00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:57,000 OVER AND OVER AGAIN. 1114 00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,000 AND SOMETIMES ONE OF MY 1115 00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,000 COLLEAGUES, DREW, WAS ESPECIALLY 1116 00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:03,000 ADEPT AT THIS, HE WOULD SORT OF 1117 00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:04,000 SAY, MR. TRUMP, MR. TRUMP, AND 1118 00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:05,000 KIND OF BRING HIM BACK -- 1119 00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,000 [LAUGHTER] ON COURSE. 1120 00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:10,000 AND BE THEN WE'D MOVE ON. 1121 00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:12,000 BUT SORT OF JOKING ASIDE, IT WAS 1122 00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:15,000 REALLY A PRONOUNCED THING TO BE 1123 00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:17,000 TALKING WITH SOMEONE WHO SEEMED 1124 00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:18,000 TO VEER OFF AND GET CAUGHT IN A 1125 00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:19,000 GROOVE. 1126 00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:20,000 >> HE'S A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT 1127 00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,000 PERSON, I THINK, IN PERSON. 1128 00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,000 HE'S VERY CHARMING, HE'S VERY 1129 00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:25,000 NICE, HE KNOWS YOUR NAME, HE 1130 00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:26,000 LOOKS AT YOU. 1131 00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,000 I MEAN, EVERYONE SAYS THAT. 1132 00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,000 IT'S NOT THIS BOMBASTIC GUY THAT 1133 00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:31,000 YOU SEE ON TV, AND EVERYBODY 1134 00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:33,000 THAT'S WORKED WITH HIM OVER THE 1135 00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:35,000 YEARS SAY I WORKED WITH THIS GUY 1136 00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:36,000 FOR 20 YEARS, TURN ON THE TV, I 1137 00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:38,000 DON'T KNOW WHO THIS IS. 1138 00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:41,000 >> THIS GENTLEMAN HERE. 1139 00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:43,000 YEP. 1140 00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:47,000 >> I'M CURIOUS OF THE ASPECTS OF 1141 00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:49,000 TRUMP'S LIFE AND HIS EXPERIENCES 1142 00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:51,000 THAT YOU RESEARCHED, WHAT OF THE 1143 00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:54,000 CHALLENGES OR SITUATIONS WERE 1144 00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:58,000 MOST ANALOGOUS TO THE KINDS OF 1145 00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:02,000 CHALLENGES A PRESIDENT FACES? 1146 00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:03,000 AND WHAT CAN WE LEARN FROM THOSE? 1147 00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:07,000 I MEAN, YOU'VE, YOUR BOOK HAS 1148 00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:10,000 RESEARCHED AND I'M LOOKING 1149 00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,000 FORWARD TO THE CHANCE TO READ IT 1150 00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:13,000 HOW HE DEALT WITH WOMEN, HOW HE 1151 00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:15,000 DEALT WITH CELEBRITY, YOU KNOW 1152 00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:17,000 AND BUSINESS DEALS, BUT THIS IS 1153 00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:22,000 CLEARLY NOT A DIRECT ANALOGY TO 1154 00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:23,000 WHAT A PRESIDENT WOULD FACE. 1155 00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:24,000 >> RIGHT. 1156 00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:28,000 >> AND SO WHAT CAN WE LEARN, 1157 00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:31,000 WHAT IS MOST INSTRUCTIVE IN THIS 1158 00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:33,000 IN UNDERSTANDING WHAT HE WOULD 1159 00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,000 BE ACTUALLY LIKE AS A PRESIDENT? >> MICHAEL? 1160 00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:36,000 >> WELL, YOU KNOW, IT'S A GREAT 1161 00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:38,000 QUESTION. 1162 00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:39,000 AND THE PARALLEL IS WHAT HE DID 1163 00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:40,000 RUNNING HIS BUSINESSES. 1164 00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:42,000 AND NEARLY ALL THE BUSINESSES 1165 00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:44,000 THAT HE RAN WERE PRIVATE BUSINESSES. 1166 00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:47,000 SO THEY'RE DIFFICULT TO EXAMINE 1167 00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:49,000 TIL YOU GO THROUGH ANCILLARY 1168 00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:50,000 SOURCES LIKE CASINO CONTROL 1169 00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:51,000 COMMISSION RECORDS WHICH BOB AND 1170 00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:52,000 OTHER REPORTERS DID, FOR 1171 00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:54,000 EXAMPLE. 1172 00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:55,000 HE DID HAVE SIX CORPORATE 1173 00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,000 BANKRUPTCIES. 1174 00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:58,000 HE HAS OFTEN SAID HE HAD FOUR CORPORATE BANKRUPTCIES. 1175 00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:00,000 THIS IS INSTRUCTIVE TO 1176 00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,000 UNDERSTAND HOW HE SORT OF THINKS. 1177 00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:03,000 AND, CLEARLY, THERE WERE SIX. 1178 00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:04,000 WE ASKED HIM TO EXPLAIN WHEN YOU 1179 00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:07,000 SAY FOUR, WHAT DO YOU MEAN? 1180 00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:08,000 HE SAID, WELL, I THINK OF THE 1181 00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:10,000 THREE CASINOS AS ONE BANKRUPTCY. 1182 00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:12,000 IN FACT, THERE WERE THREE 1183 00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:14,000 SEPARATE CORPORATIONS FOR PRE-PACKAGED BANKRUPTCIES AS 1184 00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:15,000 THEY'RE CALLED, AND THERE 1185 00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:17,000 CLEARLY WERE THREE SEPARATE 1186 00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:19,000 ONES, BUT TO HIM IT'S ONE. 1187 00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:20,000 PART OF IT, HE WANTS TO PUT THE 1188 00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:22,000 BEST IMAGE OUT THERE. 1189 00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:23,000 BUT THE ANSWER DIRECTLY TO YOUR 1190 00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:26,000 QUESTION IS THAT HE WAS TOLD BY 1191 00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:27,000 HIS FATHER, DON'T GO DEEPLY INTO 1192 00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:29,000 DEBT. 1193 00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:30,000 AND AS BOB MENTIONED, HE ENDS UP 1194 00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:32,000 GOING INTO JUNK BONDS. 1195 00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,000 HE WAS HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OR 1196 00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:35,000 EVEN BILLIONS IN DEBT. 1197 00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:37,000 TIME ANDEN AGAIN HE THOUGHT THAT 1198 00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:39,000 HE WAS NOT GOING TO SURVIVE. 1199 00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:41,000 WE TALKED TO A PERSON WHO WAS 1200 00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:42,000 BASICALLY GIVEN THE JOB OF 1201 00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,000 NEGOTIATING WITH BONDHOLDERS OR 1202 00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:47,000 AND BANKS, AND AND THAT PERSON 1203 00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:48,000 TOLD US HE WAS VERY CONCERNED. 1204 00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:50,000 THIS WAS SOMEONE WHO KNEW DONALD 1205 00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:51,000 TRUMP AS WELL AS ANYBODY, AND HE 1206 00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:53,000 WAS VERY CONCERNED ABOUT DONALD 1207 00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:55,000 TRUMP AT THIS MOMENT. 1208 00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:56,000 HE SAID, I'M LOOKING AT HIM, 1209 00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:58,000 IT'S BANKRUPTCY AFTER BANKRUPTCY. 1210 00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:00,000 HE'S IN THE MIDST OF A HUGE 1211 00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:01,000 DIVORCE, HE'S BEING HUMILIATED 1212 00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:03,000 DAY AFTER DAY ON THE FRONT PAGES 1213 00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:05,000 OF THE NEWSPAPERS, AND I WORRY 1214 00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:07,000 THAT, YOU KNOW, HE MIGHT TAKE HIS OWN LIFE. 1215 00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:10,000 IT'S A VERY STRIKING STATEMENT 1216 00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:11,000 FOR SOMEONE WHO ACTUALLY FEELS 1217 00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:13,000 AFFECTIONATELY ABOUT DONALD 1218 00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:14,000 TRUMPMENT AND WHAT HE SAID WAS 1219 00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:16,000 BUT WHEN I WALKED INTO THE 1220 00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:17,000 OFFICE OF DONALD TRUMP, THERE HE 1221 00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:18,000 WAS. 1222 00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:20,000 HIS SUIT LOOKED PERFECT, HIS TIE 1223 00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:21,000 WAS PERFECT AS WELL, AND HE 1224 00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:23,000 WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S 1225 00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:25,000 NEXT, WHAT DO WE DO NEXTING? 1226 00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:29,000 AND HE HAD THIS ABILITY TO TRY 1227 00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:30,000 TO BE THINKING POSITIVELY, ONE 1228 00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:35,000 OF HIS MENTORS WAS NORMAN 1229 00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:37,000 VINCENT PEALE, THE POWER OF 1230 00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:39,000 POSITIVE THINKING. 1231 00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:42,000 THAT COULD MEAN HE'S DETACHED 1232 00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:43,000 FROM REAL ESTATE OR HE'S JUST SO 1233 00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:44,000 POSITIVE-ORIENTED THAT HE 1234 00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:45,000 DOESN'T WANT TO THINK ABOUT SOME 1235 00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:47,000 OF THE DEEP PROBLEMS HE HAD. 1236 00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:48,000 BUT THE REALITY IS WHILE HE 1237 00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:50,000 CERTAINLY SAYS HE'S A GREAT 1238 00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:52,000 BUSINESS PERSON, HIS BUSINESSES 1239 00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:54,000 HAD TROUBLE TIME AND TIME AGAIN. 1240 00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:55,000 DREW CAN TALK MORE, HE'S A 1241 00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:56,000 REPORTER HERE IN THE AUDIENCE 1242 00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:58,000 WHO WORKED ON THIS. 1243 00:43:58,000 --> 00:43:59,000 HE HAD A PUBLIC COMPANY AT ONE 1244 00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:02,000 POINT, ONE TIME ONLY, BECAUSE HE 1245 00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:04,000 HAD TO RAISE A LOT OF CAPITA. 1246 00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:06,000 THAT -- CAPITAL. 1247 00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:07,000 THAT COMPANY DID DO WELL AT 1248 00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:10,000 FIRST, BUT THE STOCK PRICE WENT 1249 00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:11,000 FROM SOMETHING LIKE $35 TO 17 1250 00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:12,000 CENTS. 1251 00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:14,000 AND THE SHAREHOLDERS WERE VERY 1252 00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:15,000 ANGRY, THIS WERE LAWSUITS FILED 1253 00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:16,000 THAT WE WRITE ABOUT, BUT THE 1254 00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:20,000 BOTTOM LINE IS THAT TRUMP WAS 1255 00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:22,000 ABLE TO SURVIVE. 1256 00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:23,000 ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF BEING AT THE 1257 00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:25,000 ABSOLUTE DEPTHS ASK AND FINDING 1258 00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:27,000 A WAY FOR HIMSELF TO SURVIVE. 1259 00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:28,000 AND THIS IS INSTRUCTIVE. 1260 00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:30,000 THIS IS, YOU KNOW, DONALD TRUMP 1261 00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:34,000 VIEWS IT AS, YOU KNOW, HIS WORDS 1262 00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:35,000 ARE IT'S A ONE-MAN ARMY. 1263 00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:37,000 AND HE TALKED IN ONE OF HIS 1264 00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:38,000 BOOKS ABOUT THE POWER OF 1265 00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:40,000 NARCISSISM, FOR EXAMPLE. 1266 00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:42,000 HE STARTED A BOOK BY THAT NAME 1267 00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:43,000 AND HE SAID IT'S A VERY POWERFUL 1268 00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:44,000 THING. 1269 00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:46,000 THE YOU WANT TO BE SUCCESSFUL, 1270 00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:48,000 YOU HAVE TO THINK IN THAT TUNNEL 1271 00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:49,000 VISION WAY ONLY ABOUT MAKING 1272 00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:51,000 SURE YOU DO SURVIVE. 1273 00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:53,000 AND ANOTHER ONE OF HIS POINTS IN 1274 00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:54,000 THE BOOK THINK LIKE A 1275 00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:56,000 BILLIONAIRE, HE ADVISE ARES THAT 1276 00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:58,000 YOU HAVE A, QUOTE, SHORT 1277 00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:00,000 ATTENTION SPAN, UNQUOTE. 1278 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,000 SO EITHER HE SEES THAT AS AN 1279 00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:03,000 ATTRIBUTE OR HE KNOWS HE HAS 1280 00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:05,000 THIS PARTICULAR DISPOSITION, AND 1281 00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:06,000 HE TRIES TO PUT IT IN THE MOST 1282 00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:07,000 POSITIVE WAY. 1283 00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:08,000 BUT EXAMINING THAT BUSINESS 1284 00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:10,000 CAREER AND SEEING, YOU KNOW, AS 1285 00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:12,000 WE TRY TO DO IN THE BOOK, YOU 1286 00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:13,000 KNOW, THE PEAKS AND THE VALLEYS 1287 00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:16,000 AND ACTUALLY HOW HE'S OPERATED 1288 00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:17,000 IT SEEMS TO BE THE BEST GUIDE 1289 00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:18,000 FOR HOW HE MIGHT TRY TO 1290 00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:19,000 OPERATE -- 1291 00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:21,000 >> ONE HUGE QUESTION COMES UP 1292 00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:22,000 THERE IS THAT HE IS THE FIRST 1293 00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:24,000 PRESIDENT WHO HAS A LOT OF 1294 00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:25,000 FOREIGN HOLDINGS AS PEOPLE LOOK 1295 00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:27,000 AT HIS FOREIGN POLICY, YOU KNOW? 1296 00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:30,000 HE'S EXPANDING ABROAD. 1297 00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:32,000 KEVIN SULLIVAN IS HERE, WENT TO 1298 00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:34,000 AZERBAIJAN, WE HAD REPORTERS IN 1299 00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:36,000 MOSCOW LOOKING AT HIS DEALINGS, 1300 00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,000 THEY'RE IN PANAMA, AND WE'VE 1301 00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:39,000 NEVER HAD ANYBODY WHO WOULD BE 1302 00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:40,000 IN THE WHITE HOUSE WHO HAS A 1303 00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:42,000 GLOBAL BUSINESS EMPIRE. 1304 00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:43,000 SO YOUR GOOD QUESTION IS, HOW 1305 00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:45,000 WOULD THIS WORK? 1306 00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:47,000 IS HE GOING TO DIVEST, AND IS IT 1307 00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:48,000 ENOUGH TO DIVEST HIMSELF? 1308 00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:49,000 IS THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION WITH 1309 00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:51,000 THE KIDS? 1310 00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:53,000 I MEAN, THE VALUE GOES UP OF HIS 1311 00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:55,000 HOLDINGS ALL AROUND THE WORLD. 1312 00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:56,000 AND HE IS INCREASING HIS 1313 00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:58,000 WORLDWIDE HOLDINGS. 1314 00:45:58,000 --> 00:45:59,000 IT GOES UP IF HE'S IN THE WHITE 1315 00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:00,000 HOUSE. 1316 00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:02,000 >> I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE IF YOU 1317 00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:04,000 THINK ABOUT WHAT DO PRESIDENTS 1318 00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:06,000 DO, THEY SYNTHESIZE INFORMATION 1319 00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:07,000 AND COME TO DECISIONS, THEY 1320 00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:09,000 PERSUADE PEOPLE OF THEIR 1321 00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:12,000 POSITIONS, AND THEY HAVE A RAM A 1322 00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:13,000 OF SOME KIND. -- A PROGRAM OF 1323 00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:14,000 SOME KIND. 1324 00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,000 WELL, DONALD TRUMP IS NOT 1325 00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:18,000 SOMEONE WHO TAKES IN INFORMATION VERY DEEPLY. 1326 00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:20,000 WE ASKED HIM ABOUT HOW HE MAKES 1327 00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:22,000 DECISIONS, WHAT HE READS, AND HE 1328 00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:24,000 SAYS HE DOESN'T READ REPORTS OR 1329 00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:26,000 BRIEFINGS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. 1330 00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:29,000 HE DOESN'T LIKE TO READ ANYTHING OF ANY LENGTH. 1331 00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:31,000 HE BELIEVES THAT HE COMES TO 1332 00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:32,000 DECISIONS BY GUT, BY INSTINCT. 1333 00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:34,000 AND SO HE VERY MUCH WANTS PEOPLE 1334 00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:36,000 TO COME IN AND TELL HIM ABOUT 1335 00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:37,000 SOMETHING ORALLY, AND HE 1336 00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:38,000 BELIEVES THAT HE WILL GET THE 1337 00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:39,000 NUB OF IT IN A MATTER OF 1338 00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:41,000 SECONDS. 1339 00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:43,000 HE'S, OBVIOUSLY OR, VERY GOOD AT 1340 00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:44,000 PERSUADING PEOPLE THAT HE KNOWS 1341 00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:47,000 A WAY FORWARD, BUT WHEN IT COMES 1342 00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:49,000 TO PERSUADING PEOPLE 1343 00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:52,000 INDIVIDUALLY IN THE WAY THAT THE 1344 00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:53,000 PRESIDENT HAS TO TO FORM 1345 00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:54,000 COALITIONS AND ACHIEVE 1346 00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:56,000 COMPROMISES, THAT'S SOMETHING 1347 00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:57,000 THAT HE'S DONE VERY LITTLE OF IN 1348 00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:59,000 HIS CAREER. 1349 00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:01,000 HE TALKS ABOUT BEING A GREAT 1350 00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:03,000 NEGOTIATOR, AND WE'VE CERTAINLY 1351 00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:04,000 SPOKEN TO SOME OF HIS BUSINESS 1352 00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:06,000 ASSOCIATIONS WHO CREDIT HIM FOR 1353 00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:08,000 THAT, OR BUT WE'VE ALSO SOAKEN 1354 00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:09,000 TO A LOT OF PEOPLE -- SPOKEN TO 1355 00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:11,000 A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO WORK WITH 1356 00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:13,000 HIM WHO SAY THAT HE'S ALL ABOUT 1357 00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:15,000 GETTING HIS WAY, AND HE'S NOT 1358 00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:18,000 ONE TO REACH COMPROMISES. 1359 00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:19,000 YES, OVER HERE. 1360 00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:22,000 GO AHEAD. 1361 00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:24,000 [INAUDIBLE CONVERSATIONS] 1362 00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:27,000 >> NO, RIGHT HERE. 1363 00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:32,000 >> I JUST WONDER, HIS STRONG 1364 00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:35,000 ANTI-MEXICAN NARRATIVE IN THIS 1365 00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:37,000 CAMPAIGN WHICH HAS PRETTY MUCH 1366 00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:39,000 DEFINED THE CAMPAIGN, WHERE DOES 1367 00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:41,000 IT COME FROM? 1368 00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:44,000 AND DID YOU HAVE PEOPLE IN 1369 00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:46,000 MEXICO RESEARCHING OR LOOKING 1370 00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:48,000 INTO HIS DEALS THERE? 1371 00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:49,000 COULD IT COME FROM HIS 1372 00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:50,000 FRUSTRATION? 1373 00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:51,000 APPARENTLY, HE DIDN'T DO VERY 1374 00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:53,000 WELL DOWN THERE? 1375 00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:56,000 >> WELL, I WAS THE BUREAU CHIEF 1376 00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:58,000 IN MEXICO FOR FIVE YEARS WITH MY 1377 00:47:58,000 --> 00:47:59,000 HUSBAND, KEVIN SULLIVAN, AND WE 1378 00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:01,000 WENT TO INTERVIEW THE LAST TWO 1379 00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:04,000 PRESIDENTS ABOUT THIS, VICENTE 1380 00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:07,000 FOX AND PHILIPPE CALDERON, AND 1381 00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:08,000 AS FAR AS WE CAN TELL -- AND 1382 00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:10,000 ESPECIALLY HAVING BEEN AT 1383 00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:11,000 RALLIES -- IT COMES FROM A LOT 1384 00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:12,000 OF PEOPLE IN AMERICA LIKE WHAT 1385 00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:13,000 HE HAS TO SAY, AND HE KNOWS 1386 00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:15,000 THAT. 1387 00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:17,000 HE GETS REINFORCED EVERY DAY. 1388 00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:18,000 IT MAY BE THE MOST POPULAR THING 1389 00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:19,000 HE SAYS. 1390 00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:21,000 THERE'S NO HINT THAT HE'S 1391 00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:22,000 ALWAYS, I MEAN, NOT LIKED MEXICO 1392 00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:25,000 OR ANYTHING. 1393 00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:28,000 HE, HIS GIFT IS THAT HE IS 1394 00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:30,000 SAYING -- THIS IS WHAT WE KEEP 1395 00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:31,000 HEARING AT RALLIES AND TALKING 1396 00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:33,000 TO MILLIONS OF AMERICANS 1397 00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:35,000 THEY'RE FED UP, AND HE SAYS, AND 1398 00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:37,000 HE'LL TELL YOU THAT IN 1399 00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:39,000 INTERVIEWS TOO, IS THAT HE'S A 1400 00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:41,000 REFLECTION OF WHAT PEOPLE WANT YOU KNOW? 1401 00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:42,000 HE THINKS THAT OUR IMMIGRATION 1402 00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:45,000 POLICIES HAVE BEEN WRONG. 1403 00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:47,000 >> TO AMPLIFY THAT, I THINK ONE 1404 00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:49,000 THING THAT'S A SAFE BET WITH 1405 00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:51,000 DONALD TRUMP ALTHOUGH WE CAN'T 1406 00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:52,000 BE SURE OF IT, IS THAT HE'S 1407 00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:55,000 ACTUALLY THE EMBODIMENT OF A 1408 00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:57,000 POPULIST POLITICIAN, AND WE'VE 1409 00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:58,000 HAD A HISTORY OF THOSE GOING 1410 00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:01,000 BACK 200-PLUS YEARS. 1411 00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:04,000 AND THEY EMERGE PERIODICALLY, 1412 00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:05,000 AND THE PATTERNS ARE VERY SIMILAR. 1413 00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:07,000 THEY SAY WHAT PEOPLE WANT TO 1414 00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:09,000 HEAR, THEY TRY TO APPEAL TO 1415 00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:14,000 PEOPLE'S ANGER AND FRUSTRATION 1416 00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:16,000 AND IT'S POSSIBLE THAT DONALD 1417 00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:17,000 TRUMP DOESN'T HAVE ANY ANIMUS 1418 00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:19,000 TOWARDS MEXICANS AND THAT HE'S 1419 00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:21,000 ONLY PLAYING THE CARDS THAT HE 1420 00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:23,000 SEES ARE OUT THERE FOR HIM TO 1421 00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:25,000 PLAY WITH. 1422 00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:27,000 AND IF THAT'S THE CASE, WE 1423 00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:28,000 SHOULD BE TROUBLED BECAUSE WHAT 1424 00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:30,000 WE NEED TO SOME DEGREE IN OUR 1425 00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:33,000 LEADERS, I SUPPOSE, IS A GENERAL 1426 00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:34,000 SENSE THAT THEY'RE TELLING US 1427 00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:35,000 WHAT THEY REALLY FEEL AND THE 1428 00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:37,000 TRUTH AND AT LEAST PURSUING 1429 00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:38,000 POLICIES THAT ARE SORT OF 1430 00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:39,000 GENERALLY IN THE INTERESTS OF 1431 00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:41,000 THE COUNTRY. 1432 00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:43,000 >> TO ADD TO WHAT BOB'S SAYING 1433 00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:44,000 I'D LIKE TO CONTRAST THIS -- 1434 00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:46,000 WELL, HIS CURRENT POSITION ON 1435 00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:47,000 MEXICANS WITH WHAT HE SAID IN 1436 00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:49,000 THE PREVIOUS TIME WHEN HE WAS 1437 00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:52,000 REALLY CLOSE TO RUNNING FOR 1438 00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:53,000 PRESIDENT IN 1999 AND 2000. 1439 00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:55,000 UP TO THAT POINT, HE WAS 1440 00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:57,000 CONSIDERING RUNNING AS A THIRD 1441 00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:58,000 PARTY CANDIDATE AGAINST PAT 1442 00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:00,000 BUCHANAN, REMEMBER HIM? 1443 00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:02,000 AND DONALD TRUMP SAID THAT THE 1444 00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:04,000 REASON -- HE'D BE A BETTER 1445 00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:06,000 REFORM PARTY CANDIDATE THAN PAT 1446 00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:07,000 BUY CANNA BECAUSE HE WAS ALL 1447 00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:10,000 ABOUT INCLUSIVENESS, AND HE DID 1448 00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:11,000 NOT LIKE THE WAY PAT BUCHANAN 1449 00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:14,000 SPOKE ABOUT NUMBERS OF PEOPLE 1450 00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:15,000 INCLUDING JEWS, BLACKS GAYS AND 1451 00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:17,000 MEXICANS. 1452 00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:18,000 WHAT YOU'RE SEEING NOW WHEN YOU 1453 00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:20,000 GO TO THE RALLIES AND YOU 1454 00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:21,000 EXPERIENCE THAT -- AND HE'S SAID 1455 00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:23,000 IT HIMSELF -- IS THAT WHEN THE 1456 00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:25,000 CROWD GETS LOW, HE LOVES TO 1457 00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:27,000 BRING OUT THE ISSUE OF WHO'S 1458 00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:28,000 GOING TO BUILD THE WALL, BECAUSE 1459 00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:31,000 THE CROWD GOES NUTS. 1460 00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:33,000 IT'S A WAY TO ADD SOMETHING TO 1461 00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:34,000 THE POLITICAL PERSPECTIVE THAT 1462 00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:36,000 PEOPLE CAN UNDERSTAND AND THAT 1463 00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:37,000 THEY HAVE A VERY VISCERAL 1464 00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:39,000 RESPONSE ABOUT. 1465 00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:42,000 AND FOR HIM, THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT. 1466 00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:45,000 IN FACT, WE SPOKE TO A NUMBER OF 1467 00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:46,000 PEOPLE WHO WERE TALKING TO HIM 1468 00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:47,000 ABOUT THE DECISION TO RUN FOR 1469 00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:49,000 PRESIDENT, AND WHEN HE TALKED 1470 00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:50,000 ABOUT THE ISSUES THAT WERE 1471 00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:52,000 REALLY IMPORTANT TO HIM, THE 1472 00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:53,000 RELATIONSHIP WITH MEXICO DIDN'T 1473 00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:54,000 REALLY COME UP. 1474 00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:57,000 IN FACT, A NUMBER OF THEM WERE 1475 00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:59,000 SURPRISED WHEN HE TALKED, HE 1476 00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:01,000 MADE THE ALLUSIONS TO RAPISTS 1477 00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:02,000 AND CRIMINALS CROSSING THE 1478 00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:04,000 BORDER IN THE FIRST SPEECH. 1479 00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:06,000 >> ONE OF THE PEOPLE WHO WE 1480 00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:08,000 SPOKE TO WHO WAS CLOSEST TO 1481 00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:09,000 TRUMP GAVE US SOME GUIDANCE AND 1482 00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:10,000 SAID WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO 1483 00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:12,000 UNDERSTAND HIS MOTIVES, ALWAYS 1484 00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:15,000 GO FIRST TO THE IDEA THAT HE 1485 00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:16,000 THINKS OF HIMSELF FOREMOST AS A 1486 00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:18,000 SHOWMAN. 1487 00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:21,000 AND HE WILL ALWAYS CHOOSE THE 1488 00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:23,000 MOST PROVOCATIVE LINE OF ATTACK 1489 00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:25,000 BECAUSE HE WANTS TO GET THE 1490 00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:26,000 RESPONSE, THE AFFIRMATION FROM 1491 00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:29,000 THE CROWD. 1492 00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:31,000 YES, SIR, OVER HERE. >> YEAH. 1493 00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:32,000 I WANT TO ASK ABOUT SOMETHING 1494 00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:34,000 THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT IN A 1495 00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:35,000 PRESIDENT, AND THAT'S HIS 1496 00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:36,000 TEMPER. 1497 00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:41,000 I WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT IN 1498 00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:43,000 THE '80s AND EARLY '90s I 1499 00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:44,000 WAS IN CHARGE OF PROMOTING 1500 00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:45,000 ATLANTIC CITY, SO I HAVE A 1501 00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:46,000 LITTLE BIT OF KNOWLEDGE ABOUT 1502 00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:48,000 THIS. 1503 00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:51,000 WHEN DONALD TRUMP SAW AN ARTICLE 1504 00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:55,000 IN THE ATLANTIC CITY PRESS OR 1505 00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:57,000 WORSE, AN EDITORIAL, HE PULLED 1506 00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:59,000 THE NEWSPAPER OFF THE NEWSSTANDS 1507 00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:01,000 IN ALL OF HIS HOTELS AND 1508 00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:03,000 ATLANTIC CITY MAGAZINE, WHICH 1509 00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:06,000 THEY ALSO OWNED. 1510 00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:07,000 HE DIDN'T LIKE WHAT THE CASINO 1511 00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:09,000 ASSOCIATION DID, HE STOPPED 1512 00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:10,000 PAYING THE DUES WHICH WAS 25% OF 1513 00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:11,000 THE BUDGET. 1514 00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:12,000 SO I ALWAYS THINK OF HIM AT 1515 00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:15,000 PETULANT. 1516 00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:16,000 I WAS WONDERING IF YOU FOUND IN 1517 00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:18,000 YOUR RESEARCH ANYTHING THAT 1518 00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:19,000 WOULD GIVE YOU SOME GUIDANCE AS 1519 00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:21,000 TO WHAT HIS TEMPER WILL BE LIKE 1520 00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:23,000 IF HE GETS ELECTED? 1521 00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:25,000 >> HE'S SAID, YOU KNOW, MANY 1522 00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:26,000 TIMES I CAN BE A SCREAMER, 1523 00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:27,000 QUOTE-UNQUOTE. 1524 00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:28,000 AND I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE 1525 00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:29,000 ANECDOTE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IN 1526 00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:31,000 ATLANTIC CITY. 1527 00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:33,000 AND THE PERSON I REFERENCED WHEN 1528 00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:35,000 I STARTED TALKING THIS EVENING 1529 00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:36,000 WAS JOHN O'DONNELL WHO WROTE A 1530 00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:41,000 BOOK CALLED TRUMPED, EXCLAMATION 1531 00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:43,000 POINT, AND HE REPEATEDLY CITES 1532 00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:45,000 THESE TEMPERAMENT ISSUE. 1533 00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:49,000 AND, IN FACT DONALD TRUMP, HE 1534 00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:50,000 GOT SO FRUSTRATED, HE ENDED UP 1535 00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:51,000 QUITTING. 1536 00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:54,000 I ASKED TRUMP ABOUT THIS, HE 1537 00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:56,000 SAID, NO, I FIRED HIM. [LAUGHTER] 1538 00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:57,000 BUT YOU DO HEAR THAT FROM A 1539 00:52:57,000 --> 00:52:58,000 NUMBER OF PEOPLE, AND TRUMP 1540 00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:01,000 HIMSELF HAS SAID HE IS A 1541 00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:02,000 SCREAMER, THOSE WERE HIS OWN WORDS. 1542 00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:04,000 AS TO HOW THAT WOULD REFLECT 1543 00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:05,000 YOU KNOW, BOB MENTIONED ROY 1544 00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:06,000 COHN. 1545 00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:08,000 ROY COHN WAS THE LAWYER FOR 1546 00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:09,000 DONALD TRUMP WHEN THE U.S. 1547 00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:12,000 GOVERNMENT SUED DONALD TRUMP AND 1548 00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:14,000 HIS FATHER FRED TRUMP FOR RACE 1549 00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:16,000 BIAS IN 1973. 1550 00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:18,000 AND ROY COHN ADVISED DONALD 1551 00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:20,000 TRUMP WHEN YOU'RE HIT, HIT BACK 1552 00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:22,000 TEN TIMES HARDER OR A HUNDRED 1553 00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:24,000 TIMES HARDER AND THAT, YOU KNOW, 1554 00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:26,000 IS THE ROOT OF HIS PERSONALITY. 1555 00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:28,000 THEY ACTUALLY SETTLED THAT CASE EVENTUALLY. 1556 00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:31,000 BUT TIME AND TIME AGAIN WE SEE A 1557 00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:33,000 LOT OF LAWSUITS, AND HE HAS, YOU 1558 00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:34,000 KNOW, INDEED THAT PHILOSOPHY 1559 00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:37,000 HIT HIMSELF. 1560 00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:39,000 AND THAT CASE GAVE HIM AN ANIMUS 1561 00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:42,000 TOWARDS THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. 1562 00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:43,000 >> HE SETTLED THE CASE ONLY 1563 00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:45,000 AFTER DRAGGING IT OUT AND 1564 00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:47,000 ATTACKING VICIOUSLY THE 1565 00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:49,000 PROSECUTORS THROUGH ROY COHN X. 1566 00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:51,000 THAT'S AN ASPECT THAT HE'S MORE 1567 00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:53,000 THAN A SCREAMER, HE IS VERY OPEN 1568 00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:56,000 ABOUT WANTING TO PUNISH PEOPLE 1569 00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:57,000 WHO -- HE OFTEN USES THE PHRASE 1570 00:53:57,000 --> 00:53:59,000 VICIOUSLY ATTACK ME. 1571 00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:00,000 AND, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF 1572 00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:04,000 POLITICIANS WANT PAYBACK CAN 1573 00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:07,000 COME NOW OR LATER, SO HE FITS INTO THAT MOLD. 1574 00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:09,000 >> AND IT'S WORTH NOTING THAT A 1575 00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:10,000 LOT OF AMERICANS FIND THIS 1576 00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:11,000 APPEALING. 1577 00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:12,000 AGAIN, I THINK THAT THERE'S A 1578 00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:15,000 LOT OF PEOPLE WHO THINK THIS 1579 00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:16,000 GUY, WHEN HE'S HIT, SAYS HE'S 1580 00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:17,000 GOING TO HIT TEN TIMES HARDER, 1581 00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:18,000 AND THAT'S WHAT HE'S GOING TO DO 1582 00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:20,000 OUT THERE. 1583 00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:22,000 THEY LIKE HIS, YOU KNOW, 1584 00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:25,000 CONFIDENCE, AND HE IS CLEARLY 1585 00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:26,000 FEEDING OFF OF AN ENORMOUS 1586 00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:28,000 AMOUNT OF AMERICANS WHO LIKE 1587 00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:30,000 WHAT THEY SEE ON TV. 1588 00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:32,000 >> AND THAT PUGNACIOUS ATTITUDE 1589 00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:34,000 IS SOMETHING THAT WE TRACE IN 1590 00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:36,000 THE BOOK ALL THE WAY BACK TO HIS CHILDHOOD. 1591 00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:37,000 A NUMBER OF EXAMPLES OF STORIES 1592 00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:41,000 GOING BACK TO ELEMENT 1593 00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:42,000 RESCHOOL -- ELEMENTARY SCHOOL OF 1594 00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:43,000 REALLY KIND OF RUFFIAN BEHAVIOR, 1595 00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:45,000 AS HE CALLS IT. 1596 00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:48,000 YES, SIR. 1597 00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:49,000 >> YOU GUYS ARE REALLY AMAZING. 1598 00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:54,000 [LAUGHTER] 1599 00:54:55,000 --> 00:55:00,000 [INAUDIBLE] 1600 00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:03,000 [LAUGHTER] >> THANK YOU. 1601 00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:06,000 [APPLAUSE] 1602 00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:10,000 >> [INAUDIBLE] 1603 00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:13,000 MY QUESTION, MY QUESTION IS 1604 00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:15,000 WHICH IS VERY SCARY TO ME, IS 1605 00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:16,000 THAT AFTER 2000 THE PRESS SAID 1606 00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:21,000 THEY FELL DOWN ON THE JOB IN NOT 1607 00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:24,000 GOING AFTER BUSH'S MOTIVES FOR 1608 00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:29,000 GOING INTO IRAQ. 1609 00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:31,000 AND IT WASN'T UNTIL A DAY OR TWO 1610 00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:33,000 AGO I HAVE SEEN THE PRESS BEGIN 1611 00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:36,000 TO SAY THIS ISN'T TRUE. 1612 00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:39,000 AND NOT MERELY REPORT ON WHAT HE 1613 00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:40,000 IS SAYING, BUT SOME 1614 00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:43,000 JUXTAPOSITION OF IT. 1615 00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:48,000 HE SAID IN THIS THIS DAY AND SAID 1616 00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:52,000 THAT THAT DAY AND ACTUALLY CONFRONT IT. 1617 00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:54,000 BECAUSE I'M VERY SCARED ABOUT 1618 00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:56,000 VOTERS WHO, AS YOU SAID, THEIR 1619 00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:57,000 PASSIONS, THEY LIKE WHAT THEY 1620 00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:59,000 HEAR. 1621 00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:00,000 BUT MY CREDO IS, LET'S GET THE 1622 00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:02,000 FACTS AND ARGUE ABOUT CONCLUSIONS. 1623 00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:03,000 WHAT DO YOU EXPECT THE PRESS TO 1624 00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:04,000 DO, WHAT IS THE OBLIGATION OF 1625 00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:05,000 THE PRESS TO HOLD HIM 1626 00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:06,000 ACCOUNTABLE? 1627 00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:07,000 I'M NOT NECESSARILY TALKING 1628 00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:09,000 ABOUT "THE WASHINGTON POST," BUT 1629 00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:11,000 JUST IN GENERAL, TO HOLD HIM 1630 00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:14,000 ACCOUNTABLE AND SAY YOU CAN'T 1631 00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:16,000 YOU CAN'T MAKE THESE ALLEGATIONS 1632 00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:18,000 WHEN THE FACTS BELIE IT. 1633 00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:20,000 >> ALL RIGHT. 1634 00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:22,000 WE'VE ACTUALLY, I'D SAY 1635 00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:24,000 EVERYWHERE WE GO WE GET A 1636 00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:25,000 QUESTION ABOUT THIS SENSE THAT 1637 00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:29,000 MANY PEOPLE HAVE THAT THERE'S 1638 00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:31,000 BEEN LATE OR NOT AGGRESSIVE 1639 00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:33,000 COVERAGE OF DONALD TRUMP. 1640 00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:34,000 WE ALSO GET THE SAME QUESTION 1641 00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:36,000 ABOUT HILLARY CLINTON. 1642 00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:38,000 AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE 1643 00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:40,000 REPORTING THAT WENT INTO THIS 1644 00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:42,000 BOOK ALSO FED MORE THAN 30 MAJOR 1645 00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:45,000 STORIES THAT APPEARED IN THE 1646 00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:46,000 POST OVER THE LAST FEW MONTHS 1647 00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:48,000 THAT GO INTO GREAT DETAIL IN 1648 00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:50,000 PUSHING BACK EXISTENCE TRUMP'S 1649 00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:51,000 OWN NARRATIVE -- AGAINST TRUMP'S 1650 00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:53,000 OWN NARRATIVE, OWN VERSION OF 1651 00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:54,000 HIS LIFE AND SUCCESSES AND CAREER. 1652 00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:56,000 BUT YOU'RE RIGHT, THERE ARE 1653 00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:59,000 OTHER ASPECTS OF THE NEWS MEDIA 1654 00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:01,000 THAT HAVE NOT BEEN AS AGGRESSIVE 1655 00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:04,000 IN DOING THE REPORTING THAT WE 1656 00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:06,000 THINK IS OUR OBLIGATION IN ANY 1657 00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:08,000 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN, IN ANY CAMPAIGN. 1658 00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:10,000 SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK 1659 00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:12,000 PARTICULARLY IN TELEVISION THERE 1660 00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:14,000 ARE QUESTIONS TO BE ASKED ABOUT, 1661 00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:17,000 YOU KNOW, GIVING OVER VAST 1662 00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:20,000 STRETCHES OF TIME TO RUNNING HIS 1663 00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:22,000 RALLIES AND SO ON, YOU KNOW, 1664 00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:23,000 GREATLY MORE TIME THAN WAS GIVEN 1665 00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:25,000 TO OTHER CANDIDATES. 1666 00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:26,000 BUT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T CONTROL 1667 00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:28,000 WHAT THEY DO. 1668 00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:29,000 WE DECIDED THAT THIS WAS OUR 1669 00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:31,000 OBLIGATION TO DO THIS DEEP 1670 00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:33,000 REPORTING AND COMMIT ENORMOUS 1671 00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:34,000 RESOURCES TO THIS BOOK AND AND 1672 00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:36,000 THE STORIES THAT HAVE APPEARED 1673 00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:37,000 IN THE PAPER AND WILL CONTINUE 1674 00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:38,000 TO APPEAR IN THE POST. 1675 00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:40,000 >> AND THE POST HAS BEEN BANNED 1676 00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:42,000 BY TRUMP, YOU KNOW? 1677 00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:44,000 I MEAN, HE HATES WHAT WE WRITE. 1678 00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:46,000 WE HAVE A FACT CHECKER FULL 1679 00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:47,000 TIME, WE'VE HAD ALL THESE BIG 1680 00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:50,000 STORIES. 1681 00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:52,000 BUT, YOU KNOW, IT IS A KEY QUESTION. 1682 00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:54,000 I THINK THE DEBATES AND STRONG 1683 00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:55,000 MODERATING IN THE UPCOMING 1684 00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:57,000 DEBATES IS ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL 1685 00:57:57,000 --> 00:57:59,000 BECAUSE THAT'S WHEN EVERYONE'S WATCHING. 1686 00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:00,000 BECAUSE PEOPLE LOOK AT ONE 1687 00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:01,000 STORY, AND THEN THEY CALL -- ONE 1688 00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:03,000 STORY ABOUT HILLARY CLINTON, AND 1689 00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:05,000 THEY'LL SAY WHYEN AREN'T YOU 1690 00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:06,000 GOING -- WHY AREN'T YOU GOING 1691 00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:09,000 AFTER DONALD TRUMP, AND THEN 1692 00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:12,000 THEY'LL SEE ONE THING ABOUT 1693 00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:14,000 DONALD TRUMP AND WHY THIS? 1694 00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:15,000 THE DEBATE IS GOING TO DEPEND A 1695 00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:17,000 LOT ON THE MODERATORS. 1696 00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:18,000 >> AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, HE MADE 1697 00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:20,000 THE IDEA THAT HASN'T BEEN TALKED 1698 00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:21,000 ABOUT THE LAST COUPLE OF DAYS. 1699 00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:22,000 THIS HAS BEEN WRITTEN ABOUT FOR 1700 00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:23,000 MONTHS BY OTHER ORGANIZATIONS, 1701 00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:25,000 BY OUR ORGANIZATION. 1702 00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:27,000 MANY TIMES THE FACT CHECKER THAT 1703 00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:29,000 MARY MENTIONED, I MEAN, THEY DO 1704 00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:30,000 EXTRAORDINARY WORK WHERE THEY 1705 00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:31,000 CHECK EVERYTHING IN ALMOST 1706 00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:33,000 REALTIME, AND THERE'S A STORY UP 1707 00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:35,000 TODAY THAT, BASICALLY, THEY WENT 1708 00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:36,000 OVER AGAIN WHAT DONALD TRUMP SAID. 1709 00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:37,000 HE SAID THAT I WAS AGAINST THE 1710 00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:39,000 WAR FROM THE BEGINNING BUT, IN 1711 00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:41,000 FACT, EVERY FACT CHECK HAS SAID 1712 00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:42,000 THAT'S NOT THE CASE, THAT HE 1713 00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:43,000 SAID ON HOWARD STERN THAT -- HE 1714 00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:45,000 DIDN'T SAY HE WAS AGAINST THE 1715 00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:46,000 WAR AT THAT TIME. 1716 00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:48,000 SO EVERYTHING TIME THAT 1717 00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:50,000 STATEMENT'S MADE -- EVERY TIME 1718 00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:51,000 THE STATEMENT'S MADE, THE FACT 1719 00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:53,000 CHECKER PUTS SOMETHING OUT TO 1720 00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:54,000 SAY, NO, THAT'S NOT THE CASE. 1721 00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:56,000 >> ALL THE WAY IN THE BACK. 1722 00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:57,000 >> DO YOU THINK HE MEANS WHAT HE 1723 00:58:57,000 --> 00:58:59,000 SAYS, OR IS IT ALL JUST PART OF 1724 00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:01,000 THE SHOW? 1725 00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:03,000 >> IT DEPENDS WHAT HE'S SAYING. 1726 00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:05,000 [LAUGHTER] 1727 00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:06,000 I MEAN, IT'S HARD TO BELIEVE 1728 00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:08,000 SOMETIMES WHEN TALKING TO HIM 1729 00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:09,000 THAT HE ACTUALLY MEANS WHAT HE SAYS. 1730 00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:12,000 >> I THINK IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT 1731 00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:13,000 TO NOTE THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S 1732 00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:15,000 AN ACCURACY QUESTION, AND 1733 00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:16,000 THERE'S AN HONESTY QUESTION FOR 1734 00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:18,000 PEOPLE. 1735 00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:20,000 AND SO MANY PEOPLE WHO SUPPORT 1736 00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:23,000 DONALD TRUMP, IT'S NOT SO MUCH 1737 00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:25,000 THE FACTS, BUT IT'S THE GENUINE 1738 00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:27,000 PASSION THAT HE ELICITS WHEN 1739 00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:29,000 HE'S SPEAKING. 1740 00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:30,000 AND BE I THINK THAT'S A VERY 1741 00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:31,000 IMPORTANT DISTINCTION TO MAKE, 1742 00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:33,000 AND IT'S AN IMPORTANT 1743 00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:34,000 DISTINCTION TO ACKNOWLEDGE, THE 1744 00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:36,000 FACT THAT HE GETS UP THERE AND 1745 00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:37,000 HE SAYS SOMETHING THAT ALIGNS 1746 00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:38,000 WITH PEOPLE. 1747 00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:41,000 IT'S AN EMPOWERING FEELING. 1748 00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:43,000 FOR THOSE WHO FEEL THAT THE 1749 00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:45,000 OBAMA YEARS HAVE DISENFRANCHISED 1750 00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:46,000 THEIR IDEAS OF HOW THE COUNTRY 1751 00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:47,000 SHOULD OPERATE AND WHAT A 1752 00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:49,000 POLITICAL LEADER SHOULD BE. 1753 00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:50,000 AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAS 1754 00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:55,000 BEEN SO IMPORTANT FOR HIS 1755 00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:57,000 CANDIDACY IS THAT SKILL IS ONE 1756 00:59:57,000 --> 00:59:58,000 SKILL THAT HILLARY CLINTON HAS 1757 00:59:58,000 --> 00:59:59,000 ACKNOWLEDGED THAT SHE REALLY 1758 00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:00,000 STRUGGLES WITH. 1759 01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:02,000 AND SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, WHEN 1760 01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:04,000 WE TALK ABOUT THIS GENUINE 1761 01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:05,000 QUESTION, I THINK A LOT OF 1762 01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:07,000 VOTERS ARE WONDERING WHETHER OR 1763 01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:09,000 NOT THE PERSON IS, THE 1764 01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:10,000 CANDIDATES ARE GENUINELY 1765 01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:12,000 LISTENING TO THEM. 1766 01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:15,000 AND ON THAT FRONT, DONALD TRUMP 1767 01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:17,000 IS. 1768 01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:21,000 >> YES. 1769 01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:25,000 >> I AM, I AM IMRESTED WITH HOW 1770 01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:26,000 MANY OF OUR INSTITUTIONS ARE 1771 01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:30,000 BEING PRIVATIZED. 1772 01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:33,000 AND I SEE THIS AS POTENTIALLY 1773 01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:38,000 GIVING OTHER PEOPLE WHO HAVE 1774 01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:41,000 ASPIRATIONS TO ENTER INTO A 1775 01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:44,000 POWER STRUCTURE THE CHANCE. 1776 01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:46,000 ARE WE, ARE WE LOOKING TO A DAY 1777 01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:50,000 WHEN WE'RE GOING TO PROFIT FROM 1778 01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:53,000 MANY OF TRUMP'S SPAWN IN OUR 1779 01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:57,000 POLITICAL SYSTEM? 1780 01:00:57,000 --> 01:00:58,000 [LAUGHTER] 1781 01:00:58,000 --> 01:01:00,000 >> I DON'T KNOW WHERE TO START. 1782 01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:02,000 I THINK, YOU KNOW, I'M OUT 1783 01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:03,000 THERE, I'M TALKING TO VOTERS A 1784 01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:06,000 LOT. 1785 01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:08,000 AND I THINK IN SOME SENSES, YES. 1786 01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:11,000 I MEAN, I THINK PEOPLE HAVE BEEN 1787 01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:12,000 DRAWN, I MEAN, IT SEEMS SO FAR 1788 01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:14,000 AGO BUT, YOU KNOW, SIX MONTHS 1789 01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:15,000 AGO EVERYONE WAS TALKING ABOUT 1790 01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:17,000 BERNIE SANDERS AND THE IMPACT 1791 01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:19,000 THAT HE WAS HAVING ON THE 1792 01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:21,000 DEMOCRATIC PARTY AND THAT PROCESS. 1793 01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:23,000 AND WE'RE SEEING A LOT OF 1794 01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:24,000 DIFFERENT TYPES OF VOICES ENTER 1795 01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:25,000 INTO THE STANDARD TWO-PARTY 1796 01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:27,000 SYSTEM. 1797 01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:28,000 AND THAT WILL INEVITABLY CHANGE 1798 01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:30,000 WHO PEOPLE PICK AND HOW THEY 1799 01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:31,000 PERFORM IN TERMS OF WHEN THEY'RE 1800 01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:34,000 TRYING TO WIN VOTES. 1801 01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:37,000 >> YES SIR. 1802 01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:40,000 >> HOW DID -- THE THING THAT 1803 01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:42,000 I'VE BEEN PONDERING IS, BUILDING 1804 01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:44,000 ON THIS OTHER QUESTION, A LOT OF 1805 01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:46,000 PEOPLE SEEM TO SAY, WELL 1806 01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:47,000 HE'S -- THERE'S CHECKS AND 1807 01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:49,000 BALANCES, HE'S NOT REALLY GOING 1808 01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:50,000 TO DO WHAT HE SAYS HE'S GOING TO 1809 01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:51,000 DO. 1810 01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:54,000 WHAT REASON DO WE REALLY THINK 1811 01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:56,000 WITH THE FORCES THAT HE'S 1812 01:01:56,000 --> 01:01:59,000 UNLEASHED AND THE LEGITIMACY BY 1813 01:01:59,000 --> 01:02:03,000 THE ATTENTION GIVEN TO SOME OF 1814 01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:04,000 THE RACISM AND BIGOTRY AND 1815 01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:05,000 THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT FORCES 1816 01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:06,000 HAVE BEEN UNLEASHED IN OUR 1817 01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:08,000 SOCIETY THAT THE CHECKS AND 1818 01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:10,000 BALANCES WE THINK EXIST MAYBE 1819 01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:11,000 WON'T EXIST? 1820 01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:13,000 AND I GET REALLY TROUBLED, FOR 1821 01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:15,000 INSTANCE, WHEN YOU SEE FORMER 1822 01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:17,000 MEMBERS OF SENIOR OFFICERS ON 1823 01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:19,000 BOTH SIDES GETTING INVOLVED, AND 1824 01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:20,000 IT JUST -- I WONDER WHAT KIND 1825 01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:25,000 OF, AT WHAT POINT DO WE BECOME 1826 01:02:25,000 --> 01:02:26,000 CLOSE TO A BANANA REPUBLIC? 1827 01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:30,000 YOU KNOW? 1828 01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:31,000 AT WHAT POINT DO, ARE WE BEING 1829 01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:32,000 TOO -- SAY, WELL, HE REALLY 1830 01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:34,000 DOESN'T MEAN IT. 1831 01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:36,000 DOES IT REALLY MATTER IF HE 1832 01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:37,000 DOESN'T REALLY MEAN IT IF HE'S 1833 01:02:37,000 --> 01:02:38,000 REALLY ABOUT POWER AND THE 1834 01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:41,000 FORCES THAT HE'S UNLEASHED 1835 01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:43,000 BECOME BIGGER THAN HIM AND YOU 1836 01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:44,000 HAVE LIKE THE ESSAY OR OUT THERE 1837 01:02:44,000 --> 01:02:46,000 OR -- 1838 01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:47,000 >> I'VE HEARD THIS SO MANY TIMES. 1839 01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:48,000 YOU KNOW, IT'S REALLY JUST THE 1840 01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:49,000 PRESIDENCY. 1841 01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:50,000 [LAUGHTER] 1842 01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:52,000 I MEAN, AND THEY'RE NOT KIDDING. 1843 01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:54,000 THEY SAY LOOK AT WASHINGTON. 1844 01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:55,000 I MEAN, THERE'S CONGRESS, REALLY 1845 01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:56,000 NOT MUCH GETS DONE. 1846 01:02:56,000 --> 01:02:58,000 IT'S THE IMAGE. 1847 01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:02,000 HE'S A STRONG GUY AND, NUMBER 1848 01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:04,000 TWO, HE'S NOT THE SAME OLD THING. 1849 01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:06,000 SO THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE ELECTING. 1850 01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:08,000 AND FOR SOME AMAZING REASON, SO 1851 01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:09,000 WE STARTED WRITING A STORY 1852 01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:10,000 ABOUT, ACTUALLY, THE PRESIDENT 1853 01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:13,000 HAS A LOT OF POWER. 1854 01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:14,000 I MEAN, IT SEEMS SO OBVIOUS TO. 1855 01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:15,000 [LAUGHTER] 1856 01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:16,000 YOU COULD GET US INTO A LOT OF 1857 01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:17,000 TROUBLE VERY QUICKLY. 1858 01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:19,000 [LAUGHTER] 1859 01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:20,000 AND WE SHOULD KEEP WRITING THAT, 1860 01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:21,000 BECAUSE THAT SENTIMENT IS OUT 1861 01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:22,000 THERE. 1862 01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:23,000 AND EVEN MORE THAN THAT, YOU 1863 01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:24,000 KNOW, YOU'LL TALK TO PEOPLE AND 1864 01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:26,000 YOU'LL SAY, WELL, YOU SUPPORT 1865 01:03:26,000 --> 01:03:28,000 THE MUSLIM BAN. 1866 01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:29,000 BUT DO -- HOW DOES THAT WORK 1867 01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:30,000 EXACTLY? 1868 01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:31,000 AND THEN YOU STARTED TALKING 1869 01:03:31,000 --> 01:03:34,000 ABOUT MONEY AND THE WORK. 1870 01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:35,000 YOU KNOW, WE DON'T REALLY THINK 1871 01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:36,000 HE'S GOING TO DO THAT, IT'S MORE 1872 01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:37,000 LIKE HE'S GOING TO BE STRONG 1873 01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:39,000 AGAINST IT, AND HE'LL BE 1874 01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:41,000 THINKING ABOUT HE WANTS TO KEEP 1875 01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:43,000 THAT. 1876 01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:45,000 THE SAME WITH THE WALL. 1877 01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:46,000 WAIT A MINUTE, IT'S 2,000 MILES. 1878 01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:48,000 HOW MUCH MONEY WOULD THAT COST? 1879 01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:50,000 AND AGAIN -- SO HE'S GETTING THE 1880 01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:52,000 BENEFIT OF IT BECAUSE PEOPLE 1881 01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:53,000 WANT HIM TO SAY IT, THEY SHOUT 1882 01:03:53,000 --> 01:03:55,000 IT AT RAFTERS, AND YET THEY'RE 1883 01:03:55,000 --> 01:03:56,000 LIKE, OH, WE DON'T REALLY EXPECT 1884 01:03:56,000 --> 01:03:57,000 HE'S GOING TO BUILD IT. 1885 01:03:57,000 --> 01:03:59,000 IT'S THE SENTIMENT. 1886 01:03:59,000 --> 01:04:01,000 IT'S THAT HE WANTS TO. 1887 01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:05,000 IT'S THAT HE'S TELLING US I HEAR 1888 01:04:05,000 --> 01:04:06,000 YOU, YOU'RE FED UP WITH ALL THE 1889 01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:08,000 IMMIGRATION AND A LOT OF PEOPLE 1890 01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:09,000 WHO THINK THAT NAFTA WAS BAD 1891 01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:11,000 TOOK THEIR JOBS. 1892 01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:15,000 SO HE'S JUST BETTER THAN HIS TO 1893 01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:16,000 OBJECT KIND OF CONNECTING WITH 1894 01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:18,000 PEOPLE THROUGH TV. 1895 01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:20,000 >> THERE'S ANOTHER ASPECT TO 1896 01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:21,000 YOUR QUESTION, AND IT COMES FROM 1897 01:04:21,000 --> 01:04:24,000 THE WORD "UNLEASHED." 1898 01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:26,000 I'VE HAD THIS IN THE BACK OF MY 1899 01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:28,000 MIND FOR A LONG TIME BEFORE THE 1900 01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:31,000 ELECTION, BUT IT'S REALLY COME 1901 01:04:31,000 --> 01:04:32,000 INTO PLAY IN THE LAST SEVERAL 1902 01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:34,000 MONTHS WHICH IS I THINK WHAT 1903 01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:36,000 WE'RE SEEING NOW HAS BEEN IN 1904 01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:37,000 PLAY, HAS BEEN DEVELOPING AND 1905 01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:40,000 UNFOLDING AND UNPACKING ITSELF 1906 01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:41,000 FOR ABOUT 15 OR 20 YEARS, MAYBE 1907 01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:44,000 25 YEARS. 1908 01:04:44,000 --> 01:04:45,000 AND THE SEPARATION, THE LACK OF 1909 01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:50,000 COMITY IN CONGRESS, THE -- 1910 01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:52,000 IRONICALLY WITH THE RISE OF THE 1911 01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:54,000 INTERNET, WE'VE SEEN A SURGE, A 1912 01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:55,000 DEEPENING OF ANTI-INTELLECTUAL 1913 01:04:55,000 --> 01:04:57,000 BEHAVIOR. 1914 01:04:57,000 --> 01:04:58,000 AND I SORT OF FEEL LIKE IT'S 1915 01:04:58,000 --> 01:05:00,000 COME INTO PLAY ALMOST CRESTING 1916 01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:02,000 NOW WITH THIS ELECTION. 1917 01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:03,000 AND TO ME, THAT'S THE MORE -- 1918 01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:05,000 THOSE ARE THE UNDERCURRENTS THAT 1919 01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:07,000 ARE MORE TROUBLING BECAUSE IT'S 1920 01:05:07,000 --> 01:05:09,000 NOT WHO GETS ELECTED PRESIDENT 1921 01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:12,000 NECESSARILY, IT'S DEEPER TRENDS 1922 01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:15,000 IN OUR SOCIETY WHICH I SUSPECT 1923 01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:16,000 WE'LL BE EXPLORING AFTER THE 1924 01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:17,000 ELECTION, BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT 1925 01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:19,000 GOING TO GO AWAY IMMEDIATELY. 1926 01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:21,000 >> I WOULD JUST ADD ONE 1927 01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:23,000 CAUTIONARY NOTE BECAUSE THERE'S 1928 01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:26,000 AN ASSUMPTION OFTEN AMONG TRUMP 1929 01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:28,000 OPPONENTS THAT THE RALLIES ARE 1930 01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:32,000 THESE GATHERINGS OF EXTREMISTS 1931 01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:34,000 AND RACISTS AND SO ON, AND IT'S JUST NOT THE CASE. 1932 01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:36,000 THERE ARE CRAZIES AT HIS 1933 01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:37,000 RALLIES, TO BE SURE. 1934 01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:39,000 THERE ARE EXTREMISTS. 1935 01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:43,000 BUT THERE ARE ALSO A LOT OF -- I 1936 01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:44,000 DID A STORY A FEW WEEKS AGO 1937 01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:45,000 ABOUT OBAMA/TRUMP VOTERS, AND 1938 01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:47,000 THERE ARE A LOT OF THEM. 1939 01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:48,000 AND THESE ARE THE HOPE AND 1940 01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:51,000 CHANGE VOTERS, AND THESE ARE 1941 01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:52,000 PEOPLE WHO SAW IN BARACK OBAMA 1942 01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:55,000 SOMEONE WHO HEARD EXACTLY THE 1943 01:05:55,000 --> 01:05:57,000 KINDS OF THINGS THAT ROBERT AND 1944 01:05:57,000 --> 01:05:59,000 BOB MENTIONED AND TOOK THAT TO 1945 01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:02,000 HEART AND REFLECTED WHAT THE 1946 01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:03,000 FRUSTRATIONS AND TROUBLES THAT 1947 01:06:03,000 --> 01:06:04,000 PEOPLE WERE GOING THROUGH. 1948 01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:06,000 AND A LOT OF THOSE SAME PEOPLE 1949 01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:07,000 SEE THAT IN DONALD TRUMP, AND 1950 01:06:07,000 --> 01:06:09,000 THOSE ARE NOT EXTREMISTS. 1951 01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:10,000 SO WE HAVE TIME FOR JUST ONE 1952 01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:11,000 LAST QUESTION. 1953 01:06:11,000 --> 01:06:16,000 YES, MA'AM. 1954 01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:19,000 >> [INAUDIBLE] 1955 01:06:19,000 --> 01:06:22,000 DO YOU THINK TRUMP 1956 01:06:22,000 --> 01:06:23,000 APPRECIATES -- [INAUDIBLE] 1957 01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:25,000 THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE 1958 01:06:25,000 --> 01:06:27,000 PRESIDENCY AND THINKS ABOUT HIS 1959 01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:29,000 OWN SKILLS VIS-A-VIS THOSE 1960 01:06:29,000 --> 01:06:31,000 REQUIREMENTS? 1961 01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:32,000 >> HE KNOWS HE'S GOOD AT 1962 01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:33,000 EVERYTHING. 1963 01:06:33,000 --> 01:06:35,000 [LAUGHER] >> YEAH. 1964 01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:37,000 >> I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT HE WAS -- 1965 01:06:37,000 --> 01:06:39,000 I MEAN, HE WOULD SAY THAT. 1966 01:06:39,000 --> 01:06:40,000 AND PEOPLE RESPOND TO HIS 1967 01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:42,000 CONFIDENCE. 1968 01:06:42,000 --> 01:06:44,000 HE HAS SAID THAT HE WILL GET 1969 01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:47,000 REALLY SMART PEOPLE AROUND HIM 1970 01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:48,000 AND, I MEAN, IT'S ALL ABOUT THE 1971 01:06:48,000 --> 01:06:50,000 CONFIDENCE. 1972 01:06:50,000 --> 01:06:52,000 AND HE IS NOT, I MEAN, HE HAS 1973 01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:53,000 NOT SAID, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS 1974 01:06:53,000 --> 01:06:55,000 ALEPPO YET. [LAUGHTER] 1975 01:06:55,000 --> 01:06:57,000 >> BUT WE DID LEARN THAT HE 1976 01:06:57,000 --> 01:06:59,000 WOULD HAVE CAUGHT OSAMA bin 1977 01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:00,000 LADEN BEFORE 9/11 TODAY. 1978 01:07:00,000 --> 01:07:02,000 [LAUGHTER] 1979 01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:04,000 >> I THINK, I THINK THE UNDERCUT 1980 01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:06,000 OF YOUR QUESTION'S A REALLY 1981 01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:08,000 IMPORTANT THING TO EXPLORE. 1982 01:07:08,000 --> 01:07:10,000 AND THROUGHOUT THIS COUNTRY I 1983 01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:11,000 THINK THERE'S A BIG DEBATE OVER 1984 01:07:11,000 --> 01:07:12,000 WHAT IS THE REQUIREMENT FOR A 1985 01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:14,000 PRESIDENT, RIGHT? 1986 01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:18,000 AND FOR DONALD TRUMP, HE SAID 1987 01:07:18,000 --> 01:07:20,000 WHAT THE REQUIREMENT WAS 30 1988 01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:21,000 YEARS AGO, AND HE REITERATED IT 1989 01:07:21,000 --> 01:07:24,000 20 YEARS AGO. 1990 01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:26,000 AND THAT WAS A PERSON WHO COULD 1991 01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:29,000 REINVIGORATE THE SPIRIT OF 1992 01:07:29,000 --> 01:07:30,000 AMERICA WHO HAS BOLDNESS AND 1993 01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:33,000 POMPOSITY. THOSE ARE HIS WORDS. 1994 01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:34,000 AND SO DOES HE FIT, THINK HE 1995 01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:35,000 FITS THE REQUIREMENT? 1996 01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:36,000 ABSOLUTELY. 1997 01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:38,000 I THINK, I MEAN, THE QUESTION IS 1998 01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:41,000 A SORT OF VALUES QUESTION ON 1999 01:07:41,000 --> 01:07:42,000 WHAT THE PRESIDENCY SHOULD BE. 2000 01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:44,000 AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S 2001 01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:46,000 WHERE THINGS GET INTERESTING. 2002 01:07:46,000 --> 01:07:48,000 >> I THINK IT'S REMARKABLE WITH 2003 01:07:48,000 --> 01:07:49,000 TRUMP, HE'S ALWAYS HAD THIS VERY 2004 01:07:49,000 --> 01:07:50,000 SMALL CIRCLE OF PEOPLE HE CAN 2005 01:07:50,000 --> 01:07:52,000 REALLY RELY ON. 2006 01:07:52,000 --> 01:07:53,000 THERE ARE USUALLY A COUPLE 2007 01:07:53,000 --> 01:07:55,000 FAMILY MEMBERS W. THE CASINO 2008 01:07:55,000 --> 01:07:57,000 THERE WERE ONE OR TWO PEOPLE 2009 01:07:57,000 --> 01:07:58,000 LIKE I MENTIONED, WHO DIED THIS 2010 01:07:58,000 --> 01:08:00,000 THAT HELICOPTER CRASH. 2011 01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:02,000 AND TIME AND TIME AGAIN YOU SEE 2012 01:08:02,000 --> 01:08:03,000 THERE'S ONE OR TWO VITAL PERSONS 2013 01:08:03,000 --> 01:08:04,000 WHO CAN REALLY TELL HIM WHAT TO 2014 01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:05,000 DO. 2015 01:08:05,000 --> 01:08:06,000 HE DOES PREFER HAVING AN ACT 2016 01:08:06,000 --> 01:08:08,000 LITE. 2017 01:08:08,000 --> 01:08:10,000 HE DOESN'T LIKE TO BE TOLD HE'S 2018 01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:12,000 WRONG, SO OFTEN TIMES YOU SEE PEOPLE BEING FIRED. 2019 01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:13,000 HE'S GONE THROUGH TWO CAMPAIGN 2020 01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:14,000 MANAGERS ALREADY. 2021 01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:15,000 SO THAT WOULD BE A BIG QUESTION 2022 01:08:15,000 --> 01:08:16,000 FOR HIM. 2023 01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:18,000 AS PRESIDENT, HE WOULD HAVE TO 2024 01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:19,000 TACKLE MANY, MANY ISSUES THAT HE 2025 01:08:19,000 --> 01:08:21,000 DOESN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT. 2026 01:08:21,000 --> 01:08:22,000 AND WOULD HE RELY ON THAT 2027 01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:23,000 ADVICE? 2028 01:08:23,000 --> 01:08:24,000 HOW WOULD HE ORGANIZE AND 2029 01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:25,000 SYNTHESIZE THAT? 2030 01:08:25,000 --> 01:08:26,000 I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE BIG 2031 01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:28,000 QUESTIONS. 2032 01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:32,000 >> HE TALKS ABOUT GETTING THINGS 2033 01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:34,000 DONE THE BEST WAY IS AN ARMY OF ONE. 2034 01:08:34,000 --> 01:08:35,000 AND IT'S VERY HARD TO RUN THE 2035 01:08:35,000 --> 01:08:37,000 COUNTRY WITH JUST ONE PERSON: 2036 01:08:37,000 --> 01:08:38,000 HILLARY CLINTON HAS, I MEAN, 2037 01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:40,000 IT'S POLAR OPPOSITE. 2038 01:08:40,000 --> 01:08:41,000 SHE'S HAD ALL THIS EXPERIENCE IN 2039 01:08:41,000 --> 01:08:42,000 GOVERNMENT, AND HE IS CERTAINLY 2040 01:08:42,000 --> 01:08:45,000 GOING TO ANSWER THIS AND SAY 2041 01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:46,000 THAT HE HAS THE TEMPERAMENT, 2042 01:08:46,000 --> 01:08:48,000 HE'S SHOWN THROUGH HIS 2043 01:08:48,000 --> 01:08:50,000 BUSINESSES AND HE HAS THE 2044 01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:51,000 CONFIDENCE TO GET THE RIGHT 2045 01:08:51,000 --> 01:08:52,000 PEOPLE AROUND HIM. 2046 01:08:52,000 --> 01:08:53,000 >> IF HE'S RIGHT, HE'LL 2047 01:08:53,000 --> 01:08:56,000 COMPLETELY REDEFINE WHAT IT 2048 01:08:56,000 --> 01:08:58,000 MEANS TO BE PRESIDENT GIVEN HIS 2049 01:08:58,000 --> 01:09:00,000 BIOGRAPHY, HIS TRACK RECORD, HIS 2050 01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:01,000 LACK OF EXPERIENCE IN THE PUBLIC 2051 01:09:01,000 --> 01:09:03,000 LIFE. 2052 01:09:03,000 --> 01:09:05,000 IF HE'S RIGHT, HE'LL BE THE 2053 01:09:05,000 --> 01:09:07,000 FIRST PERSON TO COME THIS FAR IN 2054 01:09:07,000 --> 01:09:09,000 AN ELECTION -- HE IS FIRST 2055 01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:10,000 PERSON TO COME THIS FAR IN AN 2056 01:09:10,000 --> 01:09:11,000 ELECTION CAMPAIGN. 2057 01:09:11,000 --> 01:09:12,000 AND IF HE'S ELECTED, HE'LL BREAK 2058 01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:15,000 ALL THE MOLDS. 2059 01:09:15,000 --> 01:09:16,000 >> AND HE HAS A READY ANSWER FOR 2060 01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:19,000 YOUR QUESTION WHICH IS WHEN 2061 01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:20,000 THINGS GO RIGHT, HE WAS FULLY 2062 01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:21,000 PREPARED, HE KNEW WHAT TO DO 2063 01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:23,000 AND HE TAKES ALL THE CREDIT. 2064 01:09:23,000 --> 01:09:26,000 AND WHEN THINGS GO WRONG -- AND 2065 01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:27,000 WE SHOW THIS IN VARIOUS STAGES 2066 01:09:27,000 --> 01:09:28,000 THROUGHOUT HIS CAREER -- WHEN 2067 01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:29,000 THINGS GO WRONG, THE SYSTEM IS 2068 01:09:29,000 --> 01:09:30,000 RIGGED. 2069 01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:32,000 AND WE'VE HEARD THESE WORDS FROM 2070 01:09:32,000 --> 01:09:35,000 HIM IN RECENT WEEKS X. THAT IS 2071 01:09:35,000 --> 01:09:36,000 EXACTLY THE FRAYS THAT HE USE -- 2072 01:09:36,000 --> 01:09:38,000 PHRASE THAT HE USES THROUGHOUT 2073 01:09:38,000 --> 01:09:40,000 HIS LIFE WHEN HE'S FACED WITH TROUBLES OR FAILURE. 2074 01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:42,000 SO WHEN WE HEAR THAT NOW, YOU 2075 01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:43,000 CAN SORT OF SEE THE GEARS MOVING 2076 01:09:43,000 --> 01:09:45,000 AND, YOU KNOW, HE'S NOT 2077 01:09:45,000 --> 01:09:46,000 OBLIVIOUS TO HIS POSITION IN THE 2078 01:09:46,000 --> 01:09:49,000 POLLS, AND SO HE'S PREPARING 2079 01:09:49,000 --> 01:09:51,000 HIMSELF AND ALL OF US FOR THE 2080 01:09:51,000 --> 01:09:52,000 MESSAGE THAT HE WILL HAVE IF HE 2081 01:09:52,000 --> 01:09:54,000 LOSES. 2082 01:09:54,000 --> 01:09:56,000 SO I THINK WE HAVE TO LEAVE IT 2083 01:09:56,000 --> 01:09:57,000 THERE, BUT THANKS SO MUCH FOR 2084 01:09:57,000 --> 01:09:58,000 COMING OUT -- 2085 01:09:58,000 --> 01:10:03,000 [APPLAUSE] 2086 01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:13,000 [INAUDIBLE CONVERSATIONS] 2087 01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:14,000 >> PRESIDENT-ELECT DONALD TRUMP 2088 01:10:14,000 --> 01:10:16,000 WILL SOON BEGIN THE TRANSITION 2089 01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:18,000 OF POWER BETWEEN HIS 2090 01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:19,000 ADMINISTRATION AND PRESIDENT 2091 01:10:19,000 --> 01:10:20,000 OBAMA'S. 2092 01:10:20,000 --> 01:10:24,000 IN "BEFORE THE OATH," MARTHA 2093 01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:25,000 KUMAR REPORTS ON THE TRANSFER OF 2094 01:10:25,000 --> 01:10:26,000 POWER BETWEEN PRESIDENTS BUSH 2095 01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:30,000 AND OBAMA. 2096 01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:32,000 >> Host: PROFESSOR KUMAR 2097 01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:33,000 WELCOME TO "AFTER WORDS." 2098 01:10:33,000 --> 01:10:35,000 I'M DELIGHTED TO BE HERE WITH 2099 01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:37,000 YOU AND ANXIOUS TO HEAR MUCH 2100 01:10:37,000 --> 01:10:39,000 MORE ABOUT YOUR BOOK, "BEFORE 2101 01:10:39,000 --> 01:10:41,000 THE OATH: TRANSITION OF GEORGE 2102 01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:43,000 W. BUSH AND BARACK OBAMA AND HOW 2103 01:10:43,000 --> 01:10:44,000 THEY MANAGED A TRANSITION TO 2104 01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:46,000 POWER." 2105 01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:47,000 CERTAINLY, THIS TRANSITION 2106 01:10:47,000 --> 01:10:50,000 PERIOD IS AN IMPORTANT PERIOD 2107 01:10:50,000 --> 01:10:52,000 NOT REAL WELL KNOWN BY THE BROAD 2108 01:10:52,000 --> 01:10:54,000 PUBLIC, AND YOU PULL BACK THE 2109 01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:55,000 CURTAIN ON THE INNER WORKINGS OF 2110 01:10:55,000 --> 01:10:57,000 THIS PARTICULAR TRANSITION AND 2111 01:10:57,000 --> 01:10:58,000 REFER TO IT AS A MODEL AND A 2112 01:10:58,000 --> 01:11:00,000 TEMPLATE. 2113 01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:01,000 AND I WAS STRUCK BY A NUMBER OF 2114 01:11:01,000 --> 01:11:03,000 REVELATIONS WHICH WE'LL GET INTO 2115 01:11:03,000 --> 01:11:04,000 INCLUDING THE LEVEL OF 2116 01:11:04,000 --> 01:11:06,000 COOPERATION AND TRUST. 2117 01:11:06,000 --> 01:11:08,000 >> Guest: YEAH. 2118 01:11:08,000 --> 01:11:09,000 >> Host: BUT BEFORE WE DO THAT 2119 01:11:09,000 --> 01:11:10,000 LET'S START WITH KIND OF A 2120 01:11:10,000 --> 01:11:11,000 HOLLYWOOD THRILLER. 2121 01:11:11,000 --> 01:11:12,000 [LAUGHTER] 2122 01:11:12,000 --> 01:11:14,000 LET'S GO STRAIGHT TO THE 2123 01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:15,000 INAUGURAL THAT WAS ALMOST 2124 01:11:15,000 --> 01:11:16,000 COMPLICATED OR MAYBE EVEN 2125 01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:17,000 POSTPONED WITH THE TERRORIST 2126 01:11:17,000 --> 01:11:18,000 THREAT. 2127 01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:21,000 SO JUST WHAT WAS THAT THREAT AND 2128 01:11:21,000 --> 01:11:22,000 HOW DID THE BUSH AND OBAMA TEAMS 2129 01:11:22,000 --> 01:11:23,000 DEAL WITH IT? 2130 01:11:23,000 --> 01:11:24,000 >> Guest: OKAY. 2131 01:11:24,000 --> 01:11:27,000 WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR 2132 01:11:27,000 --> 01:11:30,000 BEING HERE AND FOR TALKING WITH 2133 01:11:30,000 --> 01:11:31,000 ME ABOUT THE BOOK. 2134 01:11:31,000 --> 01:11:34,000 WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE FRONT OF 2135 01:11:34,000 --> 01:11:37,000 THE COVER OF THE BOOK HERE AND 2136 01:11:37,000 --> 01:11:39,000 YOU SEE BUSH AND OBAMA, BOTH OF 2137 01:11:39,000 --> 01:11:40,000 THEM ACTUALLY LOOKING PRETTY 2138 01:11:40,000 --> 01:11:41,000 SERIOUS AND GRIM -- 2139 01:11:41,000 --> 01:11:42,000 >> Host: THEY ARE. 2140 01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:44,000 >> Guest: AND THEY HAD WALKED 2141 01:11:44,000 --> 01:11:46,000 OUT OF THE BLUE ROOM WHERE THEY 2142 01:11:46,000 --> 01:11:49,000 HAD HAD THE TRADITIONAL COFFEE 2143 01:11:49,000 --> 01:11:54,000 WHERE THE PRESIDENT-ELECT AND 2144 01:11:54,000 --> 01:11:59,000 FIRST LADY TO BE COME IN TO BE 2145 01:12:01,000 --> 01:12:02,000 HOSTED BY THE SITTING PRESIDENT. 2146 01:12:02,000 --> 01:12:03,000 AND THE VICE PRESIDENTS ON BOTH 2147 01:12:03,000 --> 01:12:05,000 SIDES TOO. 2148 01:12:05,000 --> 01:12:09,000 SO WHILE THEY WERE THERE 2149 01:12:09,000 --> 01:12:11,000 DISCUSSING WHATEVER OF THE DAY'S 2150 01:12:11,000 --> 01:12:13,000 ACTIVITIES AHEAD, THEY WERE 2151 01:12:13,000 --> 01:12:15,000 TALKING ABOUT IN THE SITUATION 2152 01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:17,000 ROOM THERE WAS A MEETING ABOUT A 2153 01:12:17,000 --> 01:12:19,000 THREAT ON THE INAUGURATION THAT 2154 01:12:19,000 --> 01:12:22,000 HAD COME UP OVER THE WEEKEND. 2155 01:12:22,000 --> 01:12:24,000 THERE WAS A THREAT OF A 2156 01:12:24,000 --> 01:12:26,000 TERRORIST ATTACK ON THE 2157 01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:29,000 INAUGURATION. 2158 01:12:29,000 --> 01:12:32,000 PROBABLY NOT CLOSE TO THE PODIUM 2159 01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:33,000 ITSELF, BUT FARTHER BACK AND THE 2160 01:12:33,000 --> 01:12:36,000 ASSUMPTION WAS THAT THERE WOULD 2161 01:12:36,000 --> 01:12:38,000 BE POSSIBLY PEOPLE KILLED. 2162 01:12:38,000 --> 01:12:39,000 AND SO IT WAS SOMETHING OF GREAT 2163 01:12:39,000 --> 01:12:40,000 CONCERN. 2164 01:12:40,000 --> 01:12:42,000 >> Host: VERY SERIOUS. 2165 01:12:42,000 --> 01:12:43,000 >> Guest: TO THE INTELLIGENCE 2166 01:12:43,000 --> 01:12:44,000 COMMUNITY, THE SECURITY 2167 01:12:44,000 --> 01:12:47,000 COMMUNITY. 2168 01:12:47,000 --> 01:12:50,000 AND SO WHAT THEY, AND WHAT THEY 2169 01:12:50,000 --> 01:12:52,000 DID WAS BRING EVERYONE TOGETHER 2170 01:12:52,000 --> 01:12:57,000 WHO WAS INVOLVED IN SECURITY. 2171 01:12:57,000 --> 01:12:58,000 SO YOU HAD THE CABINET 2172 01:12:58,000 --> 01:13:02,000 SECRETARIES OUTGOING, INCOMING 2173 01:13:02,000 --> 01:13:05,000 LIKE HOMELAND SECURITY AND STATE 2174 01:13:05,000 --> 01:13:08,000 AND DEFENSE, AND THEN NATIONAL 2175 01:13:08,000 --> 01:13:11,000 SECURITY ADVISER AND THEN THE 2176 01:13:11,000 --> 01:13:12,000 INCOMING TERRORISM ADVISER FOR 2177 01:13:12,000 --> 01:13:16,000 PRESIDENT OBAMA. 2178 01:13:16,000 --> 01:13:19,000 AND THEY DISCUSSED THE THREAT 2179 01:13:19,000 --> 01:13:20,000 AND WHAT KINDS OF THINGS SHOULD 2180 01:13:20,000 --> 01:13:23,000 BE DONE. 2181 01:13:23,000 --> 01:13:26,000 AND ONE PERSON WHO WAS IN THE 2182 01:13:26,000 --> 01:13:30,000 MEETING WHO TOLD ME ABOUT IT 2183 01:13:30,000 --> 01:13:32,000 SAID THAT HILLARY CLINTON ASKED -- 2184 01:13:32,000 --> 01:13:33,000 >> Host: FAMILIAR WITH THE 2185 01:13:33,000 --> 01:13:34,000 INAUGURAL CEREMONY -- 2186 01:13:34,000 --> 01:13:37,000 [LAUGHTER] >> Guest: YEAH. 2187 01:13:37,000 --> 01:13:38,000 AND WITH POLITICS AND WITH 2188 01:13:38,000 --> 01:13:42,000 PRESIDENTIAL IMAGE THAT SHE HAD 2189 01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:46,000 THE BEST QUESTION WHICH WAS IS 2190 01:13:46,000 --> 01:13:48,000 THE PRESIDENT GOING TO BE PULLED 2191 01:13:48,000 --> 01:13:50,000 OFF THE PODIUM, I DON'T THINK SO. 2192 01:13:50,000 --> 01:13:53,000 BECAUSE THE OPTICS OF THAT WOULD 2193 01:13:53,000 --> 01:13:55,000 HAVE JUST BEEN TERRIBLE TO 2194 01:13:55,000 --> 01:13:56,000 SHOW -- 2195 01:13:56,000 --> 01:13:57,000 >> Host: YEAH, COULD DISRUPT. 2196 01:13:57,000 --> 01:14:02,000 >> 2197 01:14:02,000 --> 01:14:04,000 >> Guest: -- WHAT A FRAGILE 2198 01:14:04,000 --> 01:14:05,000 SYSTEM WE HAVE THAT WE COULDN'T 2199 01:14:05,000 --> 01:14:08,000 INAUGURATE A PRESIDENT. 2200 01:14:08,000 --> 01:14:09,000 SO THE OBAMA PEOPLE TALKED TO 2201 01:14:09,000 --> 01:14:10,000 HIM. 2202 01:14:10,000 --> 01:14:11,000 BUT THEY HAD FOUND OUT ABOUT IT 2203 01:14:11,000 --> 01:14:13,000 OVER THE WEEKEND. 2204 01:14:13,000 --> 01:14:14,000 AND ONE OF THE -- AN ARTICLE 2205 01:14:14,000 --> 01:14:17,000 THAT I READ, DAVID AXLEROD 2206 01:14:17,000 --> 01:14:19,000 TALKED ABOUT HAVING TALKED TO 2207 01:14:19,000 --> 01:14:24,000 OBAMA ABOUT IT ON SATURDAY. 2208 01:14:24,000 --> 01:14:28,000 AND THAT THEY HAD DECIDED NOT TO 2209 01:14:28,000 --> 01:14:29,000 DO A FINAL RUN-THROUGH OF HIS 2210 01:14:29,000 --> 01:14:32,000 INAUGURAL ADDRESS. 2211 01:14:32,000 --> 01:14:34,000 BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MADE 2212 01:14:34,000 --> 01:14:35,000 THAT WORK WAS THAT BOTH SIDES 2213 01:14:35,000 --> 01:14:36,000 WERE COMFORTABLE -- 2214 01:14:36,000 --> 01:14:37,000 >> Host: YEAH. 2215 01:14:37,000 --> 01:14:40,000 KEY POINT. 2216 01:14:40,000 --> 01:14:42,000 >> Guest: THEY HAD BEEN DEALING 2217 01:14:42,000 --> 01:14:44,000 WITH ONE ANOTHER FOR MONTHS AT A 2218 01:14:44,000 --> 01:14:45,000 A LOWER LEVEL WHERE YOU HAD 2219 01:14:45,000 --> 01:14:47,000 TRANSITION PEOPLE DEALING WITH 2220 01:14:47,000 --> 01:14:48,000 WHITE HOUSE STAFF ON A VARIETY 2221 01:14:48,000 --> 01:14:52,000 OF ISSUES. 2222 01:14:52,000 --> 01:14:57,000 AND THEN PRESIDENT OBAMA, 2223 01:14:57,000 --> 01:14:59,000 PRESIDENT-ELECT NAMED HIS PEOPLE 2224 01:14:59,000 --> 01:15:01,000 EARLY ENOUGH THAT THEY COULD 2225 01:15:01,000 --> 01:15:05,000 WORK TOGETHER WITH THE PEOPLE 2226 01:15:05,000 --> 01:15:07,000 WHO WERE SITTING IN THE OFFICES 2227 01:15:07,000 --> 01:15:09,000 BEFORE THEY LEFT. 2228 01:15:09,000 --> 01:15:10,000 AND SO THEY COULD GET 2229 01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:12,000 INFORMATION ABOUT HOW THINGS 2230 01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:15,000 WORKED. 2231 01:15:15,000 --> 01:15:17,000 AND THAT WAS A REALLY, I THINK 2232 01:15:17,000 --> 01:15:18,000 AN EXCELLENT PART OF THE 2233 01:15:18,000 --> 01:15:20,000 TRANSITION. 2234 01:15:20,000 --> 01:15:22,000 YOU KNOW, YOU CAN GIVE PEOPLE 2235 01:15:22,000 --> 01:15:25,000 PAPER, GIVE THEM MEMORANDA, BUT 2236 01:15:25,000 --> 01:15:26,000 SITTING DOWN AND TALKING TO THEM 2237 01:15:26,000 --> 01:15:28,000 IS A DIFFERENT THING. 2238 01:15:28,000 --> 01:15:30,000 AND THAT HAPPENED, LIKE, IN THE 2239 01:15:30,000 --> 01:15:34,000 NATIONAL SECURITY COUNCIL, FOR 2240 01:15:34,000 --> 01:15:37,000 EXAMPLE, AFTER GENERAL JONES -- 2241 01:15:37,000 --> 01:15:40,000 >> Host: GENERAL JIM JONES. 2242 01:15:40,000 --> 01:15:41,000 >> Guest: WAS SELECTED AS 2243 01:15:41,000 --> 01:15:43,000 NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER, AND 2244 01:15:43,000 --> 01:15:45,000 HE APPOINTED THE PEOPLE WHO WERE 2245 01:15:45,000 --> 01:15:46,000 THE DIRECTORATES IN THE NATIONAL 2246 01:15:46,000 --> 01:15:47,000 SECURITY COUNCIL, AND THEY 2247 01:15:47,000 --> 01:15:49,000 WORKED TOGETHER WITH THE PEOPLE, 2248 01:15:49,000 --> 01:15:50,000 SIDE BY SIDE WITH THE PEOPLE WHO 2249 01:15:50,000 --> 01:15:52,000 WERE THE OUTGOING. 2250 01:15:52,000 --> 01:15:53,000 AND SO THEY WORKED THERE FOR 2251 01:15:53,000 --> 01:15:55,000 SEVERAL WEEKS. 2252 01:15:55,000 --> 01:15:57,000 AND THE ADVANTAGE THAT HAS IS, 2253 01:15:57,000 --> 01:16:00,000 WELL, YOU CAN TALK ABOUT WHAT'S