1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:03,000 MEN COMING TO POWER IN THE UNITED STATES. 2 00:00:03,000 --> 00:00:06,000 OF COURSE IT IS HORRIFYING, VERY 3 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:07,000 OPPRESSIVE, DICTATORIAL STATE SO 4 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:12,000 I WANTED TO SEE WHAT THERE WAS 5 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:13,000 PARTICULARLY IN THOSE BOOKS. 6 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:15,000 YOU HAVE TO WATCH THIS REALLY 7 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:20,000 WEIRD MOVIE IDIOTIC WITH THE -- 8 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:25,000 YOU SEE GLIMMERS. 9 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:27,000 THE APPEAL, THERE WAS A FAMOUS 10 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:31,000 MOMENT I CAN'T REMEMBER WHICH 11 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:32,000 PRIMARY, ARIZONA AFTER ARIZONA. I LOVE THE POORLY EDUCATED 12 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:37,000 BECAUSE HE HAD DONE SO WELL IN 13 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:38,000 THAT DEMOGRAPHIC. 14 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:43,000 IN THOSE BOOKS THE LEADERS THAT 15 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:49,000 BECOME TOTALITARIAN FIGURES HAD 16 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:51,000 STRONG APPEAL AMONG WHAT WE NOW 17 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:56,000 CALL LOW INFORMATION VOTERS. 18 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:02,000 YOU SEE SOME PARALLELS, AND 19 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:06,000 EXPECTATION THAT THERE IS 20 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:07,000 SOMETHING WRONG IS THESE ARE 21 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:08,000 VERY DYSTOPIAN NOVEL TO GO MUCH 22 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:12,000 FURTHER THAN I THINK DONALD 23 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:13,000 TRUMP WOULD EVER GO. 24 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:16,000 THERE ARE THESE KIND OF 25 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:19,000 INTERLUDES IN HISTORY AND 26 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:23,000 SINCLAIR LEWIS, WHAT HAPPENED, 27 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:26,000 EXCUSE ME, IN THE PLOT AGAINST 28 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:29,000 AMERICA, CHARLES LINDBERGH COMES 29 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:33,000 TO POWER AND THE COUNTRY 30 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:36,000 HORRIBLY FOR TWO YEARS AND 31 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:39,000 DISAPPEARS AND ROOSEVELT COMES 32 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:44,000 BACK AND EVERYTHING PICKS UP AS 33 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:45,000 WE KNOW IT. WHICH CAN HAPPEN IN REAL LIFE. 34 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:50,000 I WAS LOOKING FOR INSPIRATION IN 35 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:53,000 FICTION AND I THINK THERE ARE 36 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:56,000 ELEMENTS THAT YOU RECOGNIZE IN 37 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:58,000 TRUMP'S PERSONAL STYLE AND 38 00:01:58,000 --> 00:01:59,000 RHETORIC AND HIS APPEAL TO THE 39 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:02,000 AUDIENCE. >> THE MOST IMPORTANT THING I 40 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:05,000 LEARNED AT WORK, MISTER TRUMP 41 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:07,000 WRITES, IS NOT TO BE OVERLY 42 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:09,000 IMPRESSED BY ACADEMIC 43 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:10,000 CREDENTIALS. DIDN'T TAKE ME LONG TO REALIZE 44 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:15,000 THERE IS ANYTHING AWESOME OR 45 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:17,000 EXCEPTIONAL ABOUT MY CLASSMATES. 46 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:18,000 MICHAEL KRUSE, LET'S GO BACK TO 47 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:21,000 WHERE WE STARTED. 48 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:23,000 IS THIS CAMPAIGN PLAYBOOK? 49 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:26,000 >> IT CAN BE SEEN AS SUCH. 50 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:28,000 THERE ARE LOTS OF BOOKS HE HAS 51 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:29,000 WRITTEN OR COWRITTEN OR BEEN 52 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:33,000 WRITTEN FOR HIM THAT ALL ADDED 53 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:35,000 UP, THE CAMPAIGN PLAYBOOK FOR 54 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:37,000 DONALD TRUMP. 55 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:38,000 >> MONICA LANGLEY. 56 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:42,000 >> I SAY DEFINITIVELY YES. 57 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:43,000 IT IS CLASSIC DONALD TRUMP AND 58 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:47,000 ELEMENTS OF THE DEAL, THE 59 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:52,000 ELEMENTS OF HIS CAMPAIGN. 60 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:53,000 >> MONICA LANGLEY, MICHAEL 61 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:54,000 KRUSE, CARLOS LOZADA, THANK YOU 62 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:56,000 FOR BEING ON THIS ROUNDTABLE ON 63 00:02:56,000 --> 00:03:01,000 BookTV. 64 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:06,000 >> NEXT UP ON OUR BLOCK OF 65 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:11,000 PROGRAMS ABOUT DONALD TRUMP, 66 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:15,000 TRUMP REVEALED, WITH AUTHORS 67 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:18,000 MARC FISHER AND MICHAEL KRANISH. 68 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:23,000 >> WHY DON'T WE GET STARTED? 69 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:24,000 MY NAME IS MARTY BARRON, 70 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:25,000 EXECUTIVE EDITOR OF THE WASHINGTON POST. 71 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:30,000 WE ARE EXCITED THAT ALL OF YOU 72 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:31,000 CAME OUT THIS EVENING, TO 73 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:33,000 WELCOME YOU HERE. 74 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:35,000 TONIGHT YOU ARE GOING TO GET THE 75 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:40,000 CHANCE TO MEET SOME OF THE 76 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:41,000 JOURNALISTS AND EDITORS OF 77 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:42,000 "TRUMP REVEALED: AN AMERICAN 78 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:43,000 JOURNEY OF AMBITION, EGO, MONEY AND POWER". 79 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:45,000 THIS WAS AN EXHAUSTIVELY 80 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:46,000 RESEARCHED BOOK ABOUT THE LIFE 81 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:48,000 AND CAREER OF DONALD TRUMP. 82 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:51,000 THE POST HAS A LONG TRADITION 83 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:53,000 WITH THE PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEES 84 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:56,000 OF EACH MAJOR PARTY AND THIS 85 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:59,000 YEAR DONALD TRUMP'S SHALL WE SAY 86 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:04,000 NOVEL AND OVERSIZED PRESENCE IN 87 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:06,000 THE POLITICAL ARENA, AND 88 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:09,000 OPPORTUNITY TO DO A BOOK. 89 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:11,000 WE ARE ESPECIALLY GRATEFUL, ALL 90 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:16,000 THESE FOLKS WHO CAME IN ON TIME 91 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:20,000 FOR MAKING THAT POSSIBLE. 92 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:22,000 I WANT TO MENTION WE HAVE 93 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:26,000 PUBLISHER NAN BROWN, THERE WE 94 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:31,000 GO. 95 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:32,000 [APPLAUSE] 96 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:33,000 >> EDITOR IN CHIEF COLIN 97 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:35,000 HARRISON. 98 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:37,000 YOU ALL WORKED INCREDIBLY FAST 99 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:38,000 AND INCREDIBLY HARD AND WITH 100 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:41,000 SKILL THROUGHOUT AND WE ARE 101 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:42,000 GRATEFUL. 102 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:45,000 FROM THE POST THERE ARE TWO 103 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:46,000 DOESN'T JOURNALISTS WHO WORKED 104 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:50,000 ON THIS BOOK. 105 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:55,000 THEY NEEDED TO GO VERY DEEP. 106 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:56,000 THAT IS WHY WE DEPLOYED SUCH A 107 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:57,000 LARGE SCHEME. SCOTT WILSON, OUR NATIONAL 108 00:04:57,000 --> 00:05:00,000 EDITOR WHO COULD NOT BE HERE 109 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:03,000 THIS EVENING ASSEMBLED THAT 110 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:05,000 TEAM, FLOWING FROM EVERY 111 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:06,000 DEPARTMENT IN OUR NEWSROOM. 112 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:08,000 ALL THAT CAME TOGETHER IN A 113 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:09,000 MATTER OF MONTHS. 114 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:14,000 THIS EVENING YOU WILL HEAR FROM 115 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:16,000 FIVE OF THE PEOPLE WHO WORKED ON 116 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:20,000 THIS BOOK AND WITH THE 117 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:21,000 CO-AUTHORS, MICHAEL KRANISH WHO 118 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:22,000 IS HERE AND MARC FISHER WHO IS 119 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:27,000 BEHIND ME AND I WILL STEP AWAY, 120 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:30,000 THE PRIMARY AUTHORS OF "TRUMP 121 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:31,000 REVEALED: AN AMERICAN JOURNEY OF AMBITION, EGO, MONEY AND POWER," 122 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:32,000 EVERYONE CONTRIBUTED TO IT. 123 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:33,000 THIS IS A CONFERENCE OF 124 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:35,000 EXAMINATION OF DONALD TRUMP'S 125 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:37,000 LIFE, HIS PERSONALITY, HIS 126 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:39,000 PERSONAL FEELINGS AND 127 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:40,000 LONG-RUNNING ENCOUNTERS WITH 128 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:41,000 POLITICIANS. 129 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:43,000 WE BELIEVE THIS IS THE KIND OF 130 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:44,000 IN-DEPTH REPORTING WE EXPECT 131 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:49,000 FROM THE POST AND WITH THAT A 132 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:54,000 SPECIAL PLEASURE FOR ME TO 133 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:55,000 INTRODUCE TODAY'S MODERATOR AND 134 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:56,000 ONE OF THE CO-AUTHORS OF THE BOOK "TRUMP REVEALED: AN 135 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:57,000 AMERICAN JOURNEY OF AMBITION, 136 00:05:57,000 --> 00:06:00,000 EGO, MONEY AND POWER," SENIOR EDITOR MARC FISHER. 137 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:02,000 [APPLAUSE] 138 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:05,000 >> THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING OUT, 139 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:08,000 A BIG CROWD BUT I UNDERSTAND 140 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:13,000 MANY OF YOU ARE HERE, ONE THING 141 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:14,000 WE CAN'T FIND ENOUGH OF THESE 142 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:15,000 DAYS IS INFORMATION ABOUT DONALD 143 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:19,000 TRUMP. THAT IS KIND OF TRUE BECAUSE HE 144 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:23,000 IS THE FIRST MAJOR PARTY 145 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:24,000 CANDIDATE IN 60 YEARS SINCE 146 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:29,000 DWIGHT EISENHOWER WHO HAS NOT PREVIOUSLY HELD ELECTED OFFICE. 147 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:31,000 THAT MEANS HE HAS NOT BEEN 148 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:32,000 VETTED IN THE WAY MOST POLITICIANS ARE AS A MATTER OF 149 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:34,000 COURSE AS THEY RUN FOR THEIR 150 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:36,000 OFFICE. 151 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:38,000 OBVIOUSLY HE HAS HAD CELEBRITY 152 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:42,000 FOR DECADES. 153 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:43,000 CELEBRITY IS A DIFFERENT KIND OF ATTENTION FROM HAVING YOUR LIFE 154 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:48,000 AND CAREER, BACKGROUND 155 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:51,000 RIGOROUSLY EXAMINED IN A WAY 156 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:52,000 THAT WOULD HELP VOTERS UNDERSTAND HOW YOU THINK, HOW 157 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:54,000 YOU MAKE DECISIONS, WHAT YOU 158 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:57,000 REALLY BELIEVE IN. 159 00:06:57,000 --> 00:06:59,000 MAKING THE ROUNDS ON TV, 160 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:02,000 PROMOTION OF THIS BOOK, WE FOUND 161 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:05,000 THE SINGLE MOST EFFECTIVE WAY TO 162 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:10,000 SELL THIS BOOK WAS ONE SINGLE 163 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:11,000 TWEET FROM DONALD JADE TRUMP, 164 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:16,000 LATE OF JAMAICA ESTATES NEW 165 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:18,000 YORK, THE BOOK WAS ACTUALLY 166 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:22,000 RELEASED, HE PUT OUT A TWEET 167 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:24,000 SAYING, CALLING THE BOOK A JOB 168 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:28,000 SAYING IT WAS BORING AND YOU 169 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:31,000 SHOULDN'T BUY IT. 170 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:36,000 OUR NUMBERS WENT SOARING AFTER 171 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:37,000 THAT. 172 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:38,000 TREMENDOUSLY GRATEFUL TO HIM SINCE HE INFORMED THE MILLION -- 173 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:39,000 11 MILLION OF HIS CLOSEST 174 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:40,000 FRIENDS ABOUT THE BOOK. 175 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:42,000 WHAT WAS FASCINATING ABOUT THAT 176 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:43,000 WAS HE COULD NOT HELP HIMSELF. 177 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:48,000 ANY RATIONAL CAMPAIGN ADVISOR 178 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:49,000 WOULD HAVE TOLD HIM TO IGNORE IT 179 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:51,000 BUT HE COULDN'T HELP HIMSELF SO 180 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:52,000 HE DID THIS. 181 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:53,000 THIS WAS CONFIRMATION OF 182 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:57,000 SOMETHING IN THE BOOK, THIS IS A 183 00:07:57,000 --> 00:07:59,000 MAN WHO DEEPLY BELIEVES THE 184 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:00,000 PROPER RESPONSE, THE ONLY PROPER 185 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:01,000 RESPONSE TO ANYTHING THAT COULD 186 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:06,000 BE AT ALL CRITICAL IS TO ATTACK 187 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:09,000 AND ATTACK HARD. 188 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:12,000 THE DERIVATION OF THAT 189 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:13,000 CHARACTERISTIC OF DONALD TRUMP, 190 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:17,000 NOT ONLY TO HIS CHILDHOOD, A 191 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:19,000 FATHER TAUGHT HIM TO BE A KILLER 192 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:21,000 AND WARNED HIM AGAINST BEING 193 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:22,000 NOTHING BUT ALSO TO HIS 194 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:24,000 RELATIONSHIP WITH WORK, HOME, 195 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:27,000 THE INFAMOUS NEW YORK ATTORNEY 196 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:29,000 WHICH WAS HIS MENTOR WHEN HE WAS 197 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:32,000 JUST STARTING OUT ON HIS OWN IN 198 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:33,000 BUSINESS. 199 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:35,000 MARTY BARRON, THE ORIGINS OF 200 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:39,000 THIS BOOK, A LITTLE MORE ON THAT 201 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:40,000 BEFORE WE GET INTO THE DISCUSSION. 202 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:43,000 THIS BOOK CAME TOGETHER IN LATE 203 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:44,000 MARCH. 204 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:49,000 BACK TO THE PRIMARY SEASON, IT 205 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:51,000 BECAME VERY CLEAR DONALD TRUMP 206 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:56,000 WAS THE LIKELY NOMINEE. 207 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:57,000 AT THAT POINT THIS TEAM OF 20 208 00:08:57,000 --> 00:09:00,000 REPORTERS WAS PUT TOGETHER. 209 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:05,000 THE DEAL WE STRUCK THAT CAME, 210 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:08,000 WAS SIGNED ON A THURSDAY, THE 211 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:09,000 PLAN WAS TO ANNOUNCE IT TO THE 212 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:14,000 PUBLIC THE FOLLOWING MONDAY. THE NEXT DAY, FRIDAY, I CALLED 213 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:17,000 HOPE HITS, DONALD TRUMP'S PRESS 214 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:18,000 SECRETARY, TO LET HER KNOW THIS 215 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:20,000 WOULD BE ON THE FOLLOWING MONDAY 216 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:23,000 AND ASKED HER, WE WANTED TO HAVE 217 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:25,000 A SERIES OF INTERVIEWS WITH 218 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:27,000 DONALD TRUMP, GET AS MUCH OF HIS 219 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:29,000 TIME AS WE COULD BECAUSE 220 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:32,000 ALTHOUGH WE HAD A LARGE GROUP OF 221 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:37,000 REPORTERS DIGGING INTO EVERY 222 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:38,000 ASPECT OF TRUMP'S LIFE, HE HAD DOCUMENTS, TALKING TO EVERYONE 223 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:41,000 FROM HIS FRIEND AND CLASSMATE 224 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:42,000 AND NEIGHBORS THROUGH HIS 225 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:45,000 BUSINESS ASSOCIATES, PARTNERS, 226 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:47,000 COMPETITORS, CONTRACTORS AND SO 227 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:49,000 ON. 228 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:54,000 WE WANTED AS MUCH TIME AS WE 229 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:56,000 COULD GET WITH THEM. I EXPLAINED THE DEAL WE MADE AND 230 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:57,000 THE BOOK WE WOULD BE DOING A LOT 231 00:09:57,000 --> 00:09:58,000 OF REPORTERS WOULD BE CALLING 232 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:03,000 THEM AND SHE CUT ME OFF AND SAID 233 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:05,000 WE ARE PROFITEERING OFF OF 234 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:07,000 MISTER TRUMP. 235 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:09,000 WHICH WAS KIND OF CURIOUS GIVEN 236 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:12,000 THAT HE SPENT A LOT OF HIS TIME 237 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:17,000 TALKING TO REPORTERS, 238 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:25,000 PROFIT-MAKING INSTITUTIONS. SHE WAS NOT OPEN TO THAT LINE OF 239 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:26,000 REASONING AND CUT OFF THE 240 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:27,000 CONVERSATION AND THAT WE WILL NOT COOPERATE WITH THIS BOOK, 241 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:32,000 YOU ARE ON YOUR OWN. 242 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:33,000 IT WAS A FAIRLY LIKELY OUTCOME ANYWAY THAT DID NOT AFFECT OUR 243 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:34,000 PLAN HOW TO REPORT ON THIS BOOK 244 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:37,000 BUT LOW AND BEHOLD THE FOLLOWING 245 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:38,000 MONDAY SHE CALLED BACK AND SAID 246 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:40,000 SHE HAD A CHANCE TO AS SHE PUT 247 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:45,000 IT TELL MISTER TRUMP ABOUT YOUR 248 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:52,000 FABULOUS IDEA AND HE ACTUALLY 249 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:53,000 LIKED THE IDEA AND WANTED US TO 250 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:54,000 COME TO TRUMP TOWER AS OFTEN AS 251 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:57,000 WE LIKE AND AS LONG AS WE LIKE 252 00:10:57,000 --> 00:10:58,000 TO SEE THE BOOK IS FAIR AND 253 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:03,000 ACCURATE AND GET THE REAL STORY 254 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:05,000 OUT ABOUT HIS LIFE WHEN INTERESTING CURIOSITY IS HIS OWN 255 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:08,000 PRESS SECRETARY WORKED WITH HIM 256 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:10,000 FOR A NUMBER OF MONTHS, HE WOULD 257 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:12,000 VERY MUCH LIKE THE OPPORTUNITY 258 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:15,000 TO TALK ABOUT HIS FAVORITE 259 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:18,000 SUBJECT, HIMSELF. 260 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:22,000 AS WE TALKED TO TRUMP IN THE 261 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:24,000 WEEKS THAT FOLLOWED HE REGULARLY 262 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:25,000 EXTENDED OUR INTERVIEW TIME, 263 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:26,000 DOUBLED AND TRIPLED THE AMOUNT 264 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:30,000 OF TIME HE SPENT WITH US, SOME 265 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:34,000 HE ANSWERED IN MORE DETAIL THAN 266 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:37,000 OTHERS, BUT HE SPOKE WITH A 267 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:41,000 NUMBER OF REPORTERS ON THE 268 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:44,000 PHONE, AS THEY WENT INTO GREATER 269 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:45,000 DEPTH THAT THEY WERE DIGGING 270 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:50,000 INTO, WE HAD PEOPLE WORKING ON 271 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:51,000 THIS BOOK WHO WERE EXPERTS IN 272 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:56,000 REPORTING IN ATLANTIC CITY ON 273 00:11:57,000 --> 00:12:02,000 FINANCES, ORGANIZED CRIME 274 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:04,000 CONNECTIONS, LOOKED INTO BRIEF 275 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:07,000 EXPERIENCE AS A SPORTS FRANCHISE 276 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:10,000 IN THE FOOTBALL LEAGUE. 277 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:13,000 EVERY CHAPTER OF HIS LIFE. 278 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:18,000 ONE OF THE GOALS IS COMPLETENESS 279 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:19,000 AND ANOTHER, TRANSPARENCY. 280 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:21,000 WE KNOW THE DOCUMENT IN THE BOOK 281 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:25,000 DONALD TRUMP IS HIGHLY LITIGIOUS 282 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:28,000 PERSON, HE HAS SUED THE AUTHOR 283 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:32,000 OF THE PREVIOUS BIOGRAPHY FOR 284 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:34,000 $5 BILLION. 285 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:36,000 WE ASKED, A CERTAIN CURIOSITY 286 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:41,000 ABOUT THAT, WE ASKED ABOUT THAT 287 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:46,000 CASE, HE SAID HE NEVER READ THE 288 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:49,000 BOOK. I WAS PUZZLED BY THAT. HOW DO YOU GO ABOUT SUING 289 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:50,000 SOMEBODY FOR $5 BILLION WHEN YOU 290 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:53,000 NEVER READ THE BOOK? 291 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:56,000 HE SAID PEOPLE TOLD ME IT WAS A 292 00:12:56,000 --> 00:13:00,000 BAD BOOK. 293 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:01,000 A CLASSIC TRUMP IS HIM, HE 294 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:04,000 DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING UNTOWARD 295 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:05,000 ABOUT THAT. 296 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:09,000 HE WAS VERY GRACIOUS, VERY 297 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:10,000 GENEROUS WITH HIS TIME, ANSWERED 298 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:14,000 QUESTIONS BUT EVERY ONCE IN A 299 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:15,000 WHILE WOULD SLIP IN A THREAD 300 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:16,000 ABOUT HOW IF IT WAS A BAD BOOK 301 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:18,000 AS HE PUT IT HE WOULD COME AFTER 302 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:23,000 US AND COME AFTER THE POST. 303 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:25,000 THERE WAS THIS ALTERNATING GRACIOUSNESS AND TENSION THROUGH 304 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:30,000 THE WHOLE RELATIONSHIP WE HAD 305 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:32,000 WITH HIM. 306 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:33,000 THIS KIND OF APPROACH, A GOOD 307 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:35,000 BOOK OR A BAD BOOK, SOMETHING 308 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:36,000 SHOT THROUGH THE BOOK, SHOT 309 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:39,000 THROUGH HIS LIFE, ONE OF THE 310 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:41,000 THINGS THAT MAKES HIM DECIDE 311 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:42,000 WHETHER A BOOK OR ARTICLE IS 312 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:45,000 GOOD OR BAD IS WHETHER IT 313 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:46,000 QUESTIONS THE EXTENT OF HIS 314 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:51,000 WEALTH. 315 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:38,000 >> AWAY DO -- WE DO HAVE WAYS OF 316 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:40,000 COMING TO THE CONCLUSION THAT 317 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:42,000 HE'S NOT WORTH WHAT HE SAYS HE 318 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:46,000 IS. 319 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:48,000 AND, IN FACT, IN A DEPOSITION IN 320 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:50,000 THE CASE WHICH WE HAVE AS PART 321 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:53,000 OF THE ARCHIVE THAT BACKS UP 322 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:55,000 THIS BOOK, TRUMP WAS ASKED 323 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:58,000 DIRECTLY HOW DO YOU COME UP WITH 324 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:00,000 THIS NUMBER THAT YOU BANDY ABOUT 325 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:03,000 ABOUT HOW MUCH YOU'RE WORTH? 326 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:05,000 AND HE SAID, QUOTE: IT DEPENDS 327 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:07,000 ON HOW I FEELEN ON A GIVEN -- 328 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:08,000 FEEL ON A GIVEN DAY. 329 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:09,000 [LAUGHTER] 330 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:11,000 NOW, THERE'S ACTUALLY SOMETHING 331 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:13,000 LEGITIMATE ABOUT THAT BECAUSE 332 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:14,000 HIS BRAND IS HIS NAME, AND HIS 333 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:17,000 NAME IS WHAT GIVES VALUE TO MANY 334 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:18,000 OF HIS PROPERTIES AND OTHER 335 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:20,000 BUSINESSES, AND SO PEOPLE DECIDE 336 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:22,000 TO STAY AT A TRUMP HOTEL OR GO 337 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:23,000 TO A TRUMP GOLF COURSE IN PART 338 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:25,000 BECAUSE OF THAT NAME. 339 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:27,000 SO THERE'S A CLEAR VALUE TO IT. 340 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:29,000 AND PUTTING A NUMBER TO THAT 341 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:30,000 VALUE IS MORE AN ART THAN A 342 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:32,000 SCIENCE. 343 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:36,000 BUT HOW HE ASSESSES HIMSELF, 344 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:37,000 TAKES THE ACTUAL ASSESSED VALUE 345 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:39,000 OF PROPERTIES THAT ANYONE CAN 346 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:41,000 LOOK UP ON THE TAX ROLLS, AND HE 347 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:42,000 ADDS THE VALUE THAT HE CONNECTS 348 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:44,000 FROM HIS NAME, HIS REPUTATION 349 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:47,000 AND HIS BRAND. 350 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:51,000 ISSO HE IS A TRICKY FIGURE TO 351 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:53,000 WRITE ABOUT IN THAT SENSE. 352 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:55,000 IN FACT, WHEN HE WAS -- COMEDY 353 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:57,000 CENTRAL, THE CABLE CHANNEL, WAS 354 00:15:57,000 --> 00:15:59,000 GOING TO DO A ROAST OF DONALD 355 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:00,000 TRUMP SOME YEARS BACK, AND THE 356 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:01,000 DIRECTIONS WENT OUT TO THE 357 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:04,000 COMEDIANS WHO WERE GOING TO BE 358 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:05,000 ROASTING HIM THAT, UNLIKE MOST 359 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:06,000 OF THESE ROASTS, HIS FAMILY IS 360 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:09,000 FAIR GAME. 361 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:10,000 YOU CAN JOKE ABOUT HIS KIDS, HIS 362 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:11,000 BACKGROUND, ANY OF THAT IS 363 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:13,000 TOTALLY FAIR. 364 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:14,000 ONLY ONE THING THEY WERE TOLD 365 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:15,000 THEY MAY NOT JOKE ABOUT, AND 366 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:17,000 THAT WAS THE EXTENT OF HIS 367 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:18,000 WEALTH. 368 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:19,000 [LAUGHTER] 369 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:22,000 SO HE'S A TRICKY CHARACTER TO 370 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:24,000 WRITE ABOUT, BUT WE DID HAVE 371 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:26,000 THIS GREAT TEAM OF FOLKS WHO 372 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:28,000 YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR FROM 373 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:31,000 TONIGHT, AND I WANT TO TURN OVER 374 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:32,000 TO MICHAEL KRANISH, MY 375 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:34,000 CO-WRITER, WHO WILL GIVE YOU A 376 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:36,000 COUPLE EXAMPLES OF THE THINGS 377 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:37,000 THAT MADE DONALD TRUMP WHAT HE 378 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:40,000 ISED TODAY. 379 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:42,000 WHAT HE IS TODAY. 380 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:45,000 [APPLAUSE] 381 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:50,000 >> THANK YOU, MARC. 382 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:53,000 THANK EVERYBODY FOR COMING OUT HERE. 383 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:54,000 IT'S A GREAT HONOR TO BE PART OF THIS PROJECT. 384 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:55,000 I DON'T KNOW IF FOLKS KNOW THIS, 385 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:57,000 BUT WHEN I WAS A KID GROWING UP 386 00:16:57,000 --> 00:16:59,000 IN D.C., I WAS A WASHINGTON POST 387 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:00,000 PAPER BOY FOR ABOUT FIFE YEARS. 388 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:01,000 [LAUGHTER] 389 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:02,000 -- FIVE YEARS. 390 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:04,000 I'M THRILLED TO BE HERE WORKING 391 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:06,000 ON THIS PROJECT. 392 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:08,000 I WANT TO TELL YOU A STORY THAT 393 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:09,000 EXPLAINS WHY I THINK BIOGRAPHY 394 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:10,000 IS SO IMPORTANT IN WRITING ABOUT 395 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:12,000 A PRESIDENTIAL BE CANDIDATE. 396 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:13,000 WE DO FANTASTIC STORIES, AND 397 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:15,000 BIOGRAPHY IS SORT OF THE THREAD 398 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:16,000 THAT WE TRY TO PUT TOGETHER. 399 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:18,000 BECAUSE IN THE CASE OF DONALD 400 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:20,000 TRUMP, YOU HAVE A MAN WHO HAS 401 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:22,000 NEVER RUN FOR PUBLIC OFFICE OR 402 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:23,000 HELD PUBLIC OFFICE, SO THERE'S 403 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:25,000 AN AWFUL LOT THAT WE DON'T KNOW 404 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:26,000 ABOUT HIM, EVEN THOUGH HE'S ONE 405 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:27,000 OF THE MOST COVERED FIGURES OF 406 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:29,000 OUR GENERATION. 407 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:31,000 SO IF YOU LOOK AT A PERSON'S 408 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:33,000 LIFE, HOW THEY'VE DEALT WITH 409 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:34,000 CRISES, THAT TO ME IS ONE OF THE 410 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:36,000 MOST IMPORTANT THINGS. 411 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:37,000 SOMEONE WHO HAS DEALT WITH DARK 412 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:39,000 MOMENTS IN THEIR LIFE AND, 413 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:40,000 CERTAINLY, DONALD TRUMP FITS 414 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:42,000 THAT CATEGORY VERY, VERY WELL. 415 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:44,000 SO I WANT TO TAKE YOU TO THE 416 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:45,000 MORNING OF OCTOBER 10TH OF 1989 417 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:47,000 IN ATLANTIC CITY. 418 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:49,000 IT'S A BRIGHT, SUNNY DAY, AND 419 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:51,000 THREE OF DONALD TRUMP'S TOP 420 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:53,000 CASINO EXECUTIVES -- HE'S GOT 421 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:55,000 TWO AT THIS MOMENT X HE'S ABOUT 422 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:56,000 TO OPEN A THIRD, THE TAJ MAHAL. 423 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:58,000 AND THESE THREE EXECUTIVES ARE 424 00:17:58,000 --> 00:17:59,000 ABOUT TO TAKE A HELICOPTER RIDE 425 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:01,000 TO NEW YORK CITY TO MEET WITH 426 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:02,000 DONALD TRUMP AND TO PROMOTE A 427 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:04,000 BOXING MATCH TO BE HELD AT ONE 428 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:08,000 OF HIS CASINOS. 429 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:09,000 SO THE THREE MEN GET ONBOARD A 430 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:11,000 SIKORSKY HELICOPTER, THEY HAVE A 431 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:12,000 PRESS CONFERENCE AT THE PLAZA 432 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:14,000 HOTEL IN NEW YORK, THEY MEET 433 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:15,000 WITH DONALD TRUMP AT THE TRUMP 434 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:17,000 TOWER ON THE 26TH FLOOR. 435 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:19,000 THE MEETING GOES A LITTLE BIT 436 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:21,000 LONG, AND THEY CAN NO LONGER 437 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:24,000 TAKE THE SIKORSKY BACK TO 438 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:26,000 ATLANTIC CITY, SO THEY TAKE AN 439 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:28,000 ITALIAN-MADE AUGUSTA HELICOPTER. 440 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:29,000 THEY BOARD THE HELICOPTER, AND A 441 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:31,000 FEW MINUTES INTO THE FLIGHT 442 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:33,000 THEY'RE OVER THE GARDEN STATE 443 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:35,000 PARKWAY, AND WHAT THEY COULDN'T 444 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:37,000 HAVE KNOWN WAS THAT THERE WAS A 445 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:39,000 SMALL SCRATCH ON ONE OF THE 446 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:41,000 ROTOR BLADES AND THAT HELICOPTER 447 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:44,000 BASICALLY BURST APART, AND THE 448 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:45,000 THREE MEN AND THE TWO CREW WERE 449 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:46,000 KILLED. 450 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:48,000 IT IS ONE OF THE MOST TRAGIC 451 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:49,000 DAYS IN DONALD TRUMP'S LIFE ASK, 452 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:50,000 CERTAINLY, FOR THE PEOPLE KILLED 453 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:52,000 IN THAT TRAGEDY. 454 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:54,000 FOR DONALD TRUMP, I ASKED HIM 455 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:56,000 ABOUT THIS, I TALKED TO HIM 456 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:58,000 EXTENSIVELY ABOUT THIS INCIDENT, 457 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:00,000 AND HE DOES SAY ASIDE FROM THE 458 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:02,000 DEATHS OF HIS PARENTS AND HIS 459 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:03,000 BROTHER, FRED JR., THIS WAS THE 460 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:05,000 MOST DIFFICULT DAY OF HIS LIFE. 461 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:07,000 THESE MEN WERE IN CHARGE OF 462 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:08,000 MAKING SURE HE WOULD BE 463 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:10,000 SUCCESSFUL. 464 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:11,000 DONALD TRUMP HAD BUILT SOME 465 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:12,000 BUILDINGS IN NEW YORK CITY, AND 466 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:13,000 HE WAS TAKING A BIG GAMBLE IN 467 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:16,000 ATLANTIC CITY. 468 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:18,000 AT THAT TIME THIS WAS THE ONLY 469 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:20,000 LEGAL CASINO OPERATION ON THE 470 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:21,000 EAST COAST, SO HE HAD TWO 471 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:22,000 CASINOS, WAS ABOUT TO OPEN A 472 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:25,000 THIRD, AND SUDDENLY THE PEOPLE 473 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:27,000 WHO WERE IN CHARGE OF THAT HAD PERISHED. 474 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:28,000 DONALD TRUMP HAD NOT REALLY 475 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:29,000 FOCUSED HIMSELF ON THAT 476 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:30,000 BUSINESS. 477 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:32,000 IN FACT, AT THE TIME HE WAS 478 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:34,000 HAVING AN AFFAIR WITH MARLA 479 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:36,000 MAPLES, AND AS HE SAID IN 480 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:38,000 INTERVIEWS FOR THIS BOOK, HE HAD 481 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:40,000 TAKEN HIS EYE OFF THE BALL, AND 482 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:41,000 SUDDENLY HE REALIZED HE WAS IN 483 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:43,000 DEEP, DEEP TROUBLE. 484 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:45,000 SO THERE WAS ONE PERSON HE GOT A 485 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:47,000 PHONE CALL FROM SHORTLY AFTER THE ACCIDENT. 486 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:48,000 THAT MAN'S NAME WAS JOHN 487 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:50,000 O'DONNELL, AND O'DONNELL WAS 488 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:51,000 SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN ON THE 489 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:54,000 HELICOPTER RIDE, BUT INSTEAD HE 490 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:56,000 WAS IN HAWAII COMPETING IN AN 491 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:57,000 ATHLETIC EVENT, AND HE'D SENT A 492 00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:59,000 JUNIOR EXECUTIVE. 493 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:00,000 DONALD NOW BASICALLY HAD ALL 494 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:02,000 THIS OPERATION ON HIS SHOULDERS, 495 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:03,000 AND DONALD TRUMP MET WITH HIM 496 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:05,000 WHEN HE CAME BACK FROM HAWAII, 497 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:07,000 AND HE SAID NOW IT'S YOUR TURN, 498 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:08,000 AND THEN HE SAID, DON'T LEAVE 499 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:09,000 ME. 500 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:12,000 AND O'DONNELL LATER SAID THIS 501 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:14,000 WAS THE FIRST TIME HE'D SEEN 502 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:16,000 SUCH FEAR AND UNCERTAINTY IN 503 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:17,000 DONALD TRUMP'S EYES AND VOICE. 504 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:19,000 AND LONG STORY SHORT BECAUSE I 505 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:21,000 WANT TO GIVE EVERYBODY A CHANCE 506 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:22,000 TO TALK AND QUESTIONS AND SO 507 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:23,000 FORTH. 508 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:25,000 WHAT HAPPENED NEXT WAS THINGS 509 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:27,000 HAD GOTTEN SO BAD, DONALD TRUMP 510 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:29,000 HAD GONE SO DEEPLY IN DEBT THAT 511 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:30,000 THERE WERE GREAT, GREAT PROBLEMS 512 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:32,000 DESPITE THE PUBLIC ACCLAIM FOR 513 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:34,000 THE OPENING OF THE TAJ MAHAL, 514 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:35,000 AND PRETTY SOON ALL THREE 515 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:38,000 CASINOS WENT INTO BANKRUPTCY, 516 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:39,000 AND A LOT OF PEOPLE WERE FIRED. 517 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:42,000 DONALD TRUMP SAID SOMEBODY WHO 518 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:44,000 WAS RUNNING THE CASINO BE HAD A 519 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:47,000 TYPE C PERSONALITY, AND HE BLAMED OTHERS. 520 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:49,000 BUT AS I MENTIONED, HE ALSO TOLD 521 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:51,000 US HE'D TAKEN HIS EYE OFF THE BALL. 522 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:53,000 WE TELL THE STORY ABOUT HOW HE 523 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:55,000 MANAGED TO SURVIVE THE ORDEAL OF 524 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:57,000 HIS CAREER IN ATLANTIC CITY, AND 525 00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:58,000 THE FACT THAT HE DID SURVIVE 526 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:00,000 TELLS YOU SOMETHING. 527 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:02,000 HE BASICALLY HAD TO LOOK OUT FOR 528 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:03,000 HIMSELF, AND AS HE TOLD US, I 529 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:05,000 WAS LOOKING OUT FOR DONALD 530 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:07,000 TRUMP, I NEEDED TO SURVIVE, AND 531 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:08,000 THAT'S WHAT MATTERED AT THE MOMENT. 532 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:10,000 AND HE DID SURVIVE. 533 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:12,000 SO WITH THAT STORY, YOU 534 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:13,000 UNDERSTAND WHY THOSE WHO 535 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:14,000 UNDERESTIMATE HIM WOULD DO SO AT 536 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:16,000 THEIR PERIL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 537 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:21,000 [APPLAUSE] 538 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:24,000 >> SO I'M GOING TO TURN TO SOME 539 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:25,000 OF THE OTHER REPORTERS WHO 540 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:27,000 WORKED ON THE BOOK. 541 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:28,000 BOB O'HARE ROW WAS A REPORTER IN 542 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:31,000 THE POST INVESTIGATIONS UNIT, 543 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:33,000 AND HE DID SOME OF THE VERY 544 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:35,000 DIFFICULT DOCUMENT WORK ON THIS 545 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:36,000 BOOK AS WELL AS FINDING SOME 546 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:38,000 PEOPLE WHO WOULD TALK ABOUT THAT 547 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:39,000 PERIOD THAT MICHAEL WAS JUST 548 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:42,000 TALKING ABOUT IN ATLANTIC CITY. 549 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:43,000 SOME VERY ROUGH TIMES FOR DONALD 550 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:45,000 TRUMP. 551 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:46,000 AND, BOB, YOU LEARNED A LOT 552 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:48,000 ABOUT TRUMP'S BUSINESS STYLE AND 553 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:50,000 ABOUT THE KINDS OF CHARACTERS HE 554 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:52,000 WAS WILLING TO ASSOCIATE HIMSELF 555 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:54,000 WITH IN ORDER TO GET A START IN 556 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:56,000 A VERY ROUGH AND TUMBLE OF 557 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:58,000 ATLANTIC CITY'S CASINO WORLD. 558 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:00,000 TALK TO US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT. 559 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:03,000 >> IT'S ACTUALLY REMARKABLE 560 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:05,000 BECAUSE IT WAS A LONG TIME AGO, 561 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:06,000 BUT IT FEELS VERY FRESH. 562 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:08,000 AND I THINK PREDICTIVE IN SOME 563 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:09,000 WAYS ABOUT THE TYPE OF 564 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:11,000 PERSONALITY THAT HE IS. 565 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:12,000 PROBABLY THE MOST FORMIDABLE 566 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:14,000 CHARACTER THAT HE CONNECTED 567 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:17,000 HIMSELF WITH WAS ROY COHN, AND 568 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:18,000 IF PEOPLE DON'T REMEMBER ROY 569 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:20,000 COHN, HE'S WORTH LOOKING INTO. 570 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:22,000 HE WAS THE BRAINS BEHIND THE 571 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:24,000 McCARTHY HEARINGS IN THE '50s. 572 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:26,000 AND HE WAS A BRILLIANT, 573 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:28,000 SOMETHING OF A PRODIGY AS A 574 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:33,000 YOUNG MAN AND WAS PRETTY MUCH A 575 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:34,000 SAVAGE LEGAL MIND WHO FOCUSED ON 576 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:37,000 ATTACKING AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE 577 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:40,000 AND NEVER APOLOGIZING. 578 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:42,000 AND HE RAN INTO TRUMP IN EARLY 579 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:45,000 '70s, AND TRUMP EMBRACED HIM, 580 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:46,000 AND THEY BECAME, THEY DEVELOPED 581 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:48,000 AN INTERESTING RELATIONSHIP THAT 582 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:52,000 WAS BOTH LEGAL AND A FRIENDSHIP. 583 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:53,000 AND COHN SORT OF SQUIRED HIM 584 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:55,000 AROUND NEW YORK, INTRODUCED HIM 585 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:57,000 TO A LOT OF POWERFUL PEOPLE. 586 00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:59,000 AND I THINK THAT THAT WAS 587 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:00,000 PROBABLY, SET THE TONE FOR MUCH 588 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:03,000 OF THE REST OF HIS CAREER. 589 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:05,000 COHN REPRESENTED HIM THROUGH THE 590 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:07,000 '80s, AND THERE ARE QUALITIES 591 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:10,000 THAT WE SEE IN DONALD TRUMP NOW, 592 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,000 SOME OF THE HARSHER QUALITIES 593 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:15,000 THAT ARE REMARKABLY SIMILAR TO 594 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:17,000 ROY COHN'S METHODS AND DEMEANOR. 595 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:19,000 >> AND JUST BRIEFLY, TELL US A 596 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:21,000 LITTLE BIT ABOUT ASSEMBLING THE 597 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:23,000 DOCUMENTS THAT GAVE US INSIGHTS 598 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:24,000 INTO TRUMP'S FINANCES IN THAT 599 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:26,000 PERIOD. 600 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:28,000 >> OH, THERE'S A MASSIVE TROVE 601 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:30,000 OF INFORMATION, AND WE PROBABLY 602 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:32,000 TAPPED, WELL, WE TAPPED A LOT OF 603 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:34,000 IT, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF 604 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:35,000 MATERIAL TO BE EXAMINED. 605 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:37,000 ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE FOUND 606 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:40,000 IS THAT DONALD TRUMP HAS 607 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:43,000 SURROUNDED HIMSELF IN COMPLEXITY 608 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:44,000 AND KIND OF A CLOUD OF OBSCURITY 609 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:47,000 THROUGHOUT HIS CAREER. 610 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:49,000 DEALS ARE COMPLEX, ANSWERS ARE 611 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:52,000 COMPLEX AND VAGUE OFTEN TIMES, 612 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:54,000 AND THE DOCUMENTS THAT WE WERE 613 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:55,000 ABLE THE COMPILE PARTICULARLY 614 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:57,000 FROM THE CASINO CONTROL 615 00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:59,000 COMMISSION IN NEW JERSEY HELPED 616 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:03,000 US TO CUT THROUGH THE FOG OF 617 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:05,000 OBFUSCATION AND TO GET TO PARTICULARS. 618 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:08,000 AND THE ONE THAT WAS MOST 619 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:09,000 STRIKING TO ME -- AND IT WAS SO 620 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:11,000 STRIKING I ACTUALLY DID NOT 621 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,000 BELIEVE IT FOR A WHILE UNTIL I 622 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:14,000 REPORTED IT THOROUGHLY AND 623 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:18,000 REALIZED IT WAS TRUE, WAS THAT 624 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:20,000 WHEN DONALD TRUMP WAS TRYING TO 625 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,000 GET HIS THIRD CASINO, THE TAJ, 626 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:23,000 HE HAD TO SHOW THAT HE WAS 627 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,000 FINANCIALLY CAPABLE OF MANAGING 628 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:27,000 HIMSELF AND MAKING IT THRIVE. 629 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:31,000 AND HE PROMISED THE REGULATORS 630 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:34,000 THAT HE WAS NOT GOING TO USE 631 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:36,000 JUNK BONDS TO FINANCE THE TAJ. 632 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,000 AND IN THE, HIS TESTIMONY WHICH 633 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,000 IS IN BLACK AND WHITE, YOU CAN 634 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:44,000 ACTUALLY READ IT ONLINE, HE SAYS 635 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:46,000 THAT PEOPLE THAT USE JUNK BONDS 636 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:47,000 ARE LOSERS, IN EFFECT, AND THAT 637 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:48,000 THEY'RE STUPID, AND THAT 638 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:50,000 COMPANIES THAT USE JUNK BONDS 639 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:52,000 ARE, IN EFFECT, JUNK. 640 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:54,000 AND IT WAS ONLY -- AND THEY 641 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,000 APPROVED HIS MOVE TO GO FORWARD, 642 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:58,000 AND IT WAS ONLY A FEW MONTHS 643 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:00,000 LATER THAT HE COULD NOT RAISE 644 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:01,000 THE MONEY AT THE LOW PRIME RATES 645 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,000 THAT HE HAD PROMISED AND USED 646 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:05,000 JUNK BONDS. 647 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:06,000 AND IN MAKING THAT DECISION AND 648 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:10,000 ACTUALLY SIGNING OFF ON THOSE 649 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,000 JUNK BONDS, HE SEALED HIS FATE 650 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,000 AND HIS WHOLE EMPIRE WAS ALMOST 651 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:15,000 CERTAIN TO GO DOWN THE TUBES AS 652 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:19,000 WAS PREDICTED BY A FINANCIAL 653 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:20,000 ANALYST WHO WAS WATCHING 654 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:22,000 EVERYTHING VERY CLOSELY. 655 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:23,000 SO THAT'S THE KIND OF DETAIL WE 656 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,000 WERE ABLE TO MINE TO GET TO THE 657 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:26,000 PARTICULARS RATHER THAN THE 658 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:27,000 GENERALITIES THAT HAD SURROUNDED 659 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:29,000 HIM AND THAT HE SURROUNDED 660 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:31,000 HIMSELF WITH. 661 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:33,000 >> MARY JORDAN IS THE NATIONAL 662 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:35,000 REPORTER AT THE POST WHO LED THE 663 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:37,000 GROUP OF REPORTERS WHO LOOKED 664 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:39,000 INTO DONALD TRUMP'S FAMILY, HIS 665 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:41,000 RELATIONSHIPS WITH HIS WIVES, 666 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:44,000 THREE WIVES AND HIS FIVE 667 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:45,000 CHILDREN, AND AS PART OF THAT WE 668 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:46,000 MADE AN EFFORT TO TALK TO ALL OF 669 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:47,000 THOSE PEOPLE. 670 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:49,000 TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT 671 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:50,000 THAT WAS LIKE AND WHAT CAME OUT OF I IT. 672 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:52,000 >> SO I GOT THE WOMEN. 673 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,000 [LAUGHTER] 674 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:57,000 AND KAREN HELLER IS HERE, 675 00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:58,000 ANOTHER GREAT REPORTER, AND BOY, 676 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,000 WAS THAT INTERESTING. OKAY. 677 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:02,000 THERES HAS NEVER BEEN A 678 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:03,000 PRESIDENT WHO HAS THREE WIVES 679 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:04,000 ALIVE WALKING AROUND. 680 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:05,000 [LAUGHTER] 681 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:06,000 THAT'S NEVER HAPPENED, RIGHT? 682 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:07,000 AND WHERE ARE THEY? 683 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,000 WE KNOW EVERYTHING. 684 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,000 THIS GUY IS ON THE AIR ALL THE 685 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:12,000 TIME. 686 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:16,000 WHERE IS HIS FIRST WIFE, IVANA, 687 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:17,000 THE FAMOUS ONE WHO WAS THE ONE, 688 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:21,000 IN FACT, FROM THE FORMER 689 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:22,000 CZECHOSLOVAKIA WHO COINED THE 690 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,000 TERM, THE DONALD. 691 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,000 SHE'S ALSO THE ONE WHEN THEY HAD 692 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:29,000 A WICKED, WICKED PUBLIC DIVORCE, 693 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:31,000 IT WAS ON THE COVER EVERY DAY OF 694 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:32,000 TABLOIDS, SAID DON'T GET MAD, 695 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:33,000 GET EVERYTHING. 696 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:35,000 [LAUGHTER] OKAY. 697 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:36,000 THIS WOMAN LIKES TO TALK, AND 698 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:38,000 SHE'S JUST DISAPPEARED. 699 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:40,000 NEVER SEE HER. 700 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:41,000 SECOND WIFE, SHE'S STILL ALIVE, 701 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:44,000 SHE'S BEEN MARRIED FOUR TIMES 702 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,000 AND DONALD WENT TO HER FOURTH WEDDING. 703 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:48,000 BUT MARLA MAPLES COMES ALONG, 704 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:49,000 AND HE'S STILL MARRIED 705 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:51,000 INCONVENIENTLY TO THE FIRST 706 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:52,000 WOMAN, AND SO THIS WAS HIDDEN 707 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:55,000 FOR A WHILE, BUT THEN THERE WAS 708 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:57,000 THIS BIG SCENE IN ASPEN AT 709 00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:58,000 CHRISTMAS TIME, AND THE TWO 710 00:26:58,000 --> 00:26:59,000 WOMEN WERE FIGHTING OVER DONALD. 711 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:00,000 HE LOVED IT. 712 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,000 IT WAS IN THE PAPER. 713 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,000 AT THAT TIME HE WASN'T RUNNING 714 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:05,000 FOR OFFICE X HE LOVED, LOVED 715 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,000 THAT WOMEN -- HE WAS ON PAGE 6 716 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:10,000 IN THE TABLOIDS IN NEW YORK. 717 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:11,000 IN FACT, MANY, MANY PEOPLE WE 718 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:12,000 TALKED TO SAID HE CULTIVATED 719 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:14,000 THIS. 720 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:16,000 HE LOVED BEING IN THE NEWSPAPER 721 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:18,000 ABOUT THIS, THIS WOMAN. 722 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:21,000 AND AND NOW ALONG CAME -- AND THAT WOMAN. 723 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,000 AND ALONG CAME MARLA MAPLES WITH 724 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,000 A GREAT NAME, FORMER BEAUTY 725 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:26,000 PAGEANT WINNER IN GEORGIA. 726 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:29,000 IT WASN'T EVEN, LIKE, MISS 727 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,000 GEORGIA, IT'S LIKE MISS PEACH. 728 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:33,000 [LAUGHTER] 729 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,000 BUT SHE WAS VERY, OBVIOUSLY, 730 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:39,000 VERY GOOD LOOKING AND YOUNGER, 731 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,000 AND IN THE END HE GOT DIVORCED 732 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:42,000 FROM IVANA, MARRIED MARLA. 733 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,000 WHERE IS SHE? SHE'S GONE. 734 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:45,000 YOU DON'T SEE HER AT ALL DURING 735 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,000 THIS CAMPAIGN. 736 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:50,000 IT IS REALLY STUNNING. 737 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,000 ESPECIALLY -- AND THE LAST THING 738 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,000 I JUST POSTED A STORY A COUPLE 739 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:55,000 HOURS AGO, TODAY, ABOUT HIS 740 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,000 CURRENT WIFE -- OR I SHOULD SAY 741 00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:58,000 HIS THIRD WIFE, BECAUSE IF YOU 742 00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,000 SAY CURRENT WIFE, SOMETIMES 743 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:02,000 PEOPLE THINK THERE'S MORE 744 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:06,000 COMING. [LAUGHTER] 745 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,000 BUT ANYWAY, SO HIS THIRD WIFE, 746 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:12,000 MELANIA TRUMP, SHE WAS MISS -- 747 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,000 SHE HAS NOD BEEN HEARD OF SINCE 748 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:15,000 THE -- NOT BEEN HEARD OF SINCE 749 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,000 THE REPUBLICAN NATIONAL 750 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,000 CONVENTION ON THE 21ST OF JULY. 751 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:20,000 WE'RE IN THE HOME STRETCH OF A 752 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,000 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN WHERE IF 753 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:23,000 HE WINS, SHE IS THE FIRST LADY 754 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:24,000 OF THE UNITED STATES. 755 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,000 SHE HAS AN OFFICE IN THE WHITE 756 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,000 HOUSE, SHE HAS A PUBLIC 757 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,000 PLATFORM, AND SHE HAS LITERALLY GONE SILENT. 758 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:34,000 IT'S VERY, VERY UNUSUAL. 759 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:35,000 AS MANY THINGS IN THIS CAMPAIGN 760 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:36,000 ARE UNUSUAL. 761 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:38,000 OKAY. 762 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:41,000 SO THREE WIVES, ALL OF THEM ARE 763 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:43,000 NOT TALKING WHILE THE KIDS ARE. 764 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,000 BUT JUST IF I COULD FOR A 765 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:48,000 MINUTE, LET'S ROLL BACK, A BOOK 766 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,000 ON HIS LIFE ABOUT WHAT IT USED 767 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:52,000 TO BE ABOUT DONALD AND WOMEN. 768 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:53,000 HE USED TO GO ON HOWARD STERN, 769 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:54,000 FOR INSTANCE. 770 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,000 HE WAS THE SHOCK JOCK. 771 00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,000 AND HE'D GO ON ALL THE TIME. 772 00:28:58,000 --> 00:28:59,000 AND STERN WOULD SAY, DONALD, 773 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:04,000 WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT DIANE 774 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:05,000 SAWYER, WOULD YOU DO HER, YOU 775 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:06,000 KNOW? AND ALL THIS KIND OF TALK. 776 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,000 AND IT WAS MUCH MORE GRAPHIC 777 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,000 THAN THAT. 778 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:11,000 AND HE WAS ALWAYS TALKING ABOUT 779 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,000 WOMEN, HE WAS ALWAYS TALKING 780 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:16,000 ABOUT HOW PRINCESS DIANA GOT 781 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,000 AWAY FROM HIM, YOU KNOW, IF HE 782 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:19,000 ONLY HAD A CHANCE REALLY TO GO, 783 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:20,000 YOU KNOW? 784 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:23,000 BUT WOMEN DEFINED HIM. 785 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,000 AND I THINK WHEN WE TALK TO 786 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,000 PEOPLE WHO KNOW HIM, KNEW HIM IN 787 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:28,000 THE '80s, THE '90s, THEY 788 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,000 SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT? 789 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:31,000 THERE WERE A LOT OF RICH PEOPLE 790 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:32,000 IN NEW YORK. 791 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,000 THERE WERE A LOT OF RICH PEOPLE 792 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:35,000 WHO HAD BUILDINGS IN NEW YORK, 793 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,000 BUT THERE WAS ONLY ONE DONALD 794 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:39,000 TRUMP WHO WAS ALWAYS IN THE 795 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:40,000 PAPER WITH SOME OTHER BABE WHO 796 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:41,000 WANTED HIM, AND THAT WAS A 797 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:42,000 DIRECT QUOTE FROM SOMEONE WHO 798 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:43,000 KNEW HIM. 799 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,000 SO I THINK FOR A LONG TIME WOMEN 800 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,000 GOT ATTENTION FOR DONALD TRUMP. 801 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:48,000 AND FOR SOME REASON, I THINK HE 802 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:49,000 LIKED ATTENTION. 803 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:50,000 [LAUGHTER] 804 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:54,000 AND I THINK THAT HE, WHEN YOU GO 805 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,000 TO HIS OFFICE, I'VE INTERVIEWED 806 00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:57,000 HIM IN HIS OFFICE, AND I'VE 807 00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:59,000 TALKED TO MELANIA ON THE PHONE, 808 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:02,000 IT'S VERY STRIKING THAT THERE'S 809 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:03,000 ONLY REALLY GOOD LOOKING WOMEN 810 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:06,000 IN THE OFFICE. 811 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:07,000 HE TALKS ABOUT WOMEN'S 812 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:10,000 APPEARANCES NONSTOP. 813 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:11,000 I MEAN, HE'S 70 YEARS OLD, AND I 814 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:14,000 KNOW A LOT OF OLDER PEOPLE 815 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,000 OFTEN, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY SEE 816 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:17,000 SOMEBODY, THEY SAY IT, BUT IT'S 817 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:20,000 VERY UNUSUAL TO HAVE A PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE -- AND 818 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:21,000 HE'S GETTING TRIPPED UP ON THIS 819 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:22,000 EVERY SO OFTEN, BECAUSE 820 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,000 APPEARANCES DO MATTER. 821 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,000 SO IN CONTRAST TO THE OLD DAYS 822 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:27,000 WHERE HE JUST LOVED TALKING 823 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,000 ABOUT DONALD TRUMP AND WOMEN, WE 824 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:31,000 DON'T HEAR FROM THEM ANYMORE. 825 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:33,000 >> MARY HAD AN ESPECIALLY 826 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,000 REVEALING INTERVIEW WITH DONALD 827 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,000 TRUMP'S LAWYER ABOUT THIS 828 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:39,000 QUESTION OF HOW -- TRUMP HAD 829 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:41,000 SPENT YEARS AND YEARS 830 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:43,000 CULTIVATING THIS PLAYBOY IMAGE 831 00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:45,000 AND INVITING REPORTERS TO COME 832 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,000 OUT AND SEE HIM AT A CLUB WHEN 833 00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:48,000 HE WOULD BE THERE WITH THE 834 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:52,000 PRETTIEST MODELS. 835 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,000 AND YET HIS LAWYER TOLD YOU WHEN 836 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:55,000 THE CAMERAS WERE TURNED OFF, IT 837 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:56,000 WAS ACTUALLY A VERY DIFFERENT 838 00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:59,000 KIND OF DYNAMIC. 839 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,000 >> WELL, HE WOULD GO TO ALL THE 840 00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:03,000 NIGHTCLUB OPENINGS, STUDIO 54 IN 841 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,000 THE DAY. 842 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:07,000 ESPECIALLY DURING THIS GAP WHEN 843 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:09,000 HE WASN'T MARRIED, AFTER MARLA 844 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:10,000 MAPLES AND BEFORE MELANIA, THAT 845 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:11,000 HE WASN'T MARRIED. 846 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,000 AND HE BLITZED THE SCENE. 847 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:14,000 BUT HE WAS VERY CAREFUL ABOUT 848 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,000 HOW HE SPENT HIS TIME, BECAUSE 849 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:19,000 IT WAS WHERE THERE WERE CAMERAS. 850 00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:21,000 AND HE WAS ALWAYS WITH MODELS. 851 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,000 HE WOULD CALL MODELING AGENCIES 852 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:24,000 UP AND, IN FACT, WHEN HE HAD 853 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:28,000 PARTIES, MAKE SURE THAT HIS OWN 854 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:29,000 PARTIES HAD A RATIO OF 5 TO 1, 855 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,000 GORGEOUS WOMEN TO MEN. 856 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:33,000 YOU KNOW, CONSTANTLY SURROUNDING 857 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:34,000 HIMSELF WITH WOMEN AND AT 858 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:35,000 OPENINGS. 859 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:38,000 SO I SAID TO HIS LAWYER, YOU 860 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:39,000 KNOW, HOW DID HE HAVE TIME FOR 861 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:40,000 THIS? 862 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,000 HE'S ALWAYS TELLING MANY ME THAT 863 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:43,000 HE'S WORK -- HOW COULD I DO ALL 864 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:44,000 THIS STUFF, MARY? 865 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,000 I MEAN, I'M WORKING. 866 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,000 I HAVE ALL THIS MONEY AND 867 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:49,000 RESPONSIBILITY, I HAVE GREAT 868 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:50,000 BUILDINGS, HAVE YOU SEEN MY 869 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:51,000 GREAT BUILDINGS? 870 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:52,000 [LAUGHTER] 871 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:53,000 THIS IS HOW HE TALKS, HOW COULD 872 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:54,000 I POSSIBLY HAVE BEEN WITH ALL 873 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:57,000 THESE WOMEN? 874 00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:58,000 SO ASKED DICK GOLDBERG, AND HE 875 00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,000 AGREED COMPLETELY. 876 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:01,000 HE SAID, ACTUALLY, HE'S ON THE 877 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:04,000 TRUMP TOWER AND HE WORKS IN PART 878 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:05,000 OF IT, HE REALLY JUST LIKES TO 879 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:06,000 TAKE THE ELEVATOR UP AND TURN ON 880 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,000 THE TUBE AND WATCH TV. 881 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,000 SO I SAID THIS TO TRUMP AND 882 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,000 TRUMP SAID, WELL, YOU KNOW, 883 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:15,000 MAYBE IT WASN'T AS GLAMOROUS AS 884 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,000 IT'S OUT TO BE. 885 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:18,000 I MEAN, IMAGE, YOU KNOW, HE WAS 886 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,000 GREAT AT GETTING ATTENTION. 887 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,000 I MEAN, HOW MANY WOMEN DID HE 888 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:23,000 REALLY IS HAVE AND HOW MUCH TV? 889 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:24,000 I DON'T KNOW. 890 00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,000 [LAUGHTER] 891 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:31,000 >> ROBERT SAMUELS LOOKED INTO 892 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,000 THE TRANSITION DONALD TRUMP MADE 893 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,000 FROM CELEBRITY INTO POLITICIAN, 894 00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,000 SO TELL US A LITTLE -- DID HE 895 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:44,000 SEE THIS AS A COMPLETELY 896 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:45,000 DIFFERENT KIND OF PURSUIT, OR 897 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:46,000 WAS IT KIND OF A NATURAL 898 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:49,000 PROGRESSION FOR HIM? >> RIGHT. 899 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:50,000 WELL, ONE OF THE GOVERNING 900 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:53,000 QUESTIONS THAT I WAS REALLY 901 00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:55,000 INTERESTED IN FINDING WAS WHY IS 902 00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:57,000 THIS MAN DOING THIS? [LAUGHTER] 903 00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:59,000 AND IT WAS VERY CLEAR FROM 904 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:02,000 SPEAKING WITH PEOPLE WHO KNEW 905 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:03,000 HIM THAT AT SOME POINT HE DIDN'T 906 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,000 REALIZE THE PHENOMENON AND THE 907 00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:06,000 MOVEMENT THAT THAT WE'VE SEEN 908 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:10,000 SWEEP ACROSS THE COUNTRY. 909 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:11,000 WHAT WE KNOW THROUGH HIS 910 00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:14,000 POLITICAL LIFE AND AFFILIATION 911 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,000 IS THAT HE DIDN'T REALLY HAVE 912 00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,000 MUCH STOMACH FOR PARTISAN 913 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,000 PRINCIPLES. 914 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,000 BETWEEN 1999 AND 2012, HE 915 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:23,000 CHANGED POLITICAL PARTIES SEVEN 916 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:26,000 TIMES. [LAUGHTER] 917 00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:30,000 HE'S DONATED BETWEEN 1995 AND 918 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:33,000 2012, HE DONATED $3.1 MILLION BY 919 00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:34,000 HIMSELF WITHOUT LOOKING AT HIS 920 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:35,000 COMPANIES TO ALL SORTS OF OLD 921 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:36,000 DECISIONS. 922 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:37,000 HE DONATED TO CLINTON, HE 923 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,000 DONATED TO CARTER. 924 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:42,000 HE LOVED RONALD REAGAN. 925 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:45,000 SO WHAT IS THIS ABOUT REALLY? 926 00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:47,000 AND TO DO THAT, WE STARTED 927 00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,000 LOOKING AT LOTS AND LOTS OF 928 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,000 FOOTAGE AND INTERVIEWS THAT HE'S 929 00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,000 DONE OVER THE YEARS, AND WE 930 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,000 TALKED SOME PEOPLE INTO SHOWING 931 00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:57,000 US THE UNAIRED, UNEDITED 932 00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:01,000 VERSIONS OF THESE TAPES. 933 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:02,000 AND EARLY ON FROM HIS VERY FIRST 934 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:05,000 MAJOR NETWORK TELEVISION 935 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,000 INTERVIEW THIS 1980 -- IN 1980, 936 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:08,000 WE SEE A THEME THAT STARTS TO 937 00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:09,000 EMERGE. 938 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:10,000 HE'S TALKING ABOUT A BUILDING, 939 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,000 AND THEN HE BEGINS TO RAIL ON 940 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,000 THE IDEA THAT AMERICA'S BEING 941 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,000 LAUGHED AT, THAT THERE'S 942 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,000 SOMETHING THAT'S HAPPENING IN 943 00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:19,000 THE POLITICAL SYSTEM WHERE 944 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,000 LEADERS AREN'T STRONG ENOUGH 945 00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:22,000 LIKE THEY USED TO BE. 946 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:25,000 AND HE BEGINS TO PONDER WHETHER 947 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:28,000 OR NOT POLITICIANS TODAY CAN BE 948 00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,000 LIKE AN ABRAHAM LINCOLN, ASK HE 949 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,000 SAYS ABRAHAM LINCOLN COULD NEVER 950 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:35,000 WIN THIS 1980 BECAUSE HE WAS TOO 951 00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:37,000 UGLY, HE DID NOT LOOK GOOD ON 952 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:38,000 TV, AND HE DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO 953 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:39,000 MASTER THE MEDIA. 954 00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:41,000 AND THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED 955 00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:44,000 STATES IN THIS MODERN ERA NEEDS 956 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,000 TO KNOW HOW TO DO THESE SKILLS. 957 00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:49,000 AND SO WHAT WE SEE OVER THE 958 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,000 COURSE OF TIME IS DONALD TRUMP 959 00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:53,000 ASSESSING POLITICIANS AND 960 00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:58,000 PRESIDENTS ON THEIR ABILITY TO 961 00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:01,000 AFFECT MESSAGES, TO COMMUNICATE 962 00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:02,000 MESSAGES EFFECTIVELY AND TO 963 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:05,000 FIGURE OUT WHETHER OR NOT THEY 964 00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,000 MAKE THE COUNTRY FEEL GREAT 965 00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:10,000 AGAIN. 966 00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,000 AND EVERYONE DOES A PRETTY OKAY 967 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:13,000 JOB UNTIL OBAMA WHO HE CONSIDERS 968 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:16,000 A TOTAL DISASTER. 969 00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:19,000 BY THIS POINT IN 2012, DONALD 970 00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:22,000 TRUMP HAS MASTERED THE CELEBRITY 971 00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,000 THAT HE SAID THOSE GREAT MINDS 972 00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,000 IN 1980 DID NOT MASTER. 973 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:28,000 HE'S BECOME THE STAR OF "THE 974 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,000 APPRENTICE," HE HAS THIS TWITTER 975 00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,000 FOLLOWING THAT EVERYONE ENJOYS BECAUSE HE'S TALKING ABOUT 976 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:33,000 EVERYTHING FROM WHETHER OR NOT 977 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,000 BARACK OBAMA'S FROM THE UNITED 978 00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:36,000 STATES TO WHETHER OR NOT KATY 979 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:37,000 PERRY'S MARRIAGES ARE GOING TO 980 00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:38,000 WORK OUT. 981 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,000 [LAUGHTER] 982 00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:43,000 AND HE DECIDES THAT HE IS, IN 983 00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,000 FACT, THE PERSON WHO COULD BEST 984 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:46,000 SYMBOLIZE THE GREATNESS AND 985 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,000 TOUGH LEADERSHIP OF AMERICA. 986 00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:51,000 AND SO THERE'S A LOT OF -- 987 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:52,000 THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF SKEPTICISM 988 00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:53,000 ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT DONALD 989 00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:55,000 TRUMP WANTED TO DO THIS, WHETHER 990 00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,000 HE WANTED TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT. 991 00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:59,000 BUT IT IS TRUE THAT DAYS AFTER 992 00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:01,000 ROMNEY LOST THAT ELECTION, HE 993 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,000 WAS THE ONE WHO FILED AN 994 00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:04,000 APPLICATION TO THE PATENT 995 00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:07,000 OFFICE, AND HE COPYRIGHTED ONE 996 00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:08,000 PHRASE, AND THAT PHRASE WAS 997 00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,000 "MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN." 998 00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:15,000 9 AND SO YOU SEE THE THEMATICS 999 00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,000 OF HIS CAMPAIGN STARTING EARLY 1000 00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:19,000 ON IN HIS PUBLIC PERSONA, BUT IT 1001 00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,000 HAD BEEN SOMETHING HE HAD BEEN 1002 00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:22,000 THINKING ABOUT AND TOYING AROUND 1003 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,000 WITH FOR SEVERAL DECADES. 1004 00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,000 >> GREAT. 1005 00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:29,000 THERE'S ONE PIECE OF VIDEO THAT 1006 00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:32,000 YOU GOT FROM, IT WAS AN OLD RONA 1007 00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,000 BARRETT CELEBRITY INTERVIEW FROM 1008 00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:35,000 THE 1980s WHICH HAD NEVER 1009 00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,000 AIRED, YOU GOT PARTS THAT HAD 1010 00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:38,000 NEVER AIRED, AND HE WAS 1011 00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,000 REMARKABLY SIMILAR IN THE WAY HE 1012 00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:42,000 TALKED ABOUT POLITICAL ISSUES, 1013 00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:45,000 BUT HE WAS ALSO VERY FRANK ABOUT 1014 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,000 THE SORT OF DYNAMIC ABOUT WHAT 1015 00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:48,000 WAS MAKING HIM DECIDE TO RUN OR 1016 00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,000 NOT TO RUN. WAS THAT -- 1017 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:51,000 >> IT'S INTERESTING, AND MAYBE 1018 00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:55,000 IT WAS BECAUSE IT WAS SO EARLY 1019 00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:57,000 IN DONALD TRUMP'S POLITICAL 1020 00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:58,000 CAREER, BUT RONA BARRETT REALLY 1021 00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:01,000 GOT PROBABLY THE BEST 1022 00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,000 INFORMATION OUT OF DONALD TRUMP 1023 00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:06,000 THAN ANY INTERVIEW THAT I HAD 1024 00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:11,000 SEEN, US NOTWITHSTANDING. [LAUGHTER] 1025 00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:14,000 AND YOU SEE, YOU SEE HIM GOING 1026 00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:15,000 THROUGH -- HE -- RONA BARRETT 1027 00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:16,000 ASKED HIM, DO YOU WANT TO BE 1028 00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,000 PRESIDENT? 1029 00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:20,000 HE SAID, NO, I LOVE BUILDING, 1030 00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:21,000 I'M AN AROUND THE U.S., I LOVE 1031 00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:23,000 BUILDING -- ARTIST, I LOVE 1032 00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:26,000 BUILDING MY BUILDINGS, AND OVER 1033 00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:27,000 IT REALLY AFFECTS HIM. 1034 00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:30,000 HE STARTS TO TAKE TO THIS IDEA 1035 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:31,000 THAT, HUH, MAYBE ONE DAY I COULD 1036 00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:32,000 BE PRESIDENT. 1037 00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:33,000 PARTICULARLY BECAUSE PEOPLE 1038 00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:34,000 CONTINUOUSLY ASK HIM WHETHER OR 1039 00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,000 NOT HE WANTS TO BE THE PRESIDENT 1040 00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:39,000 OF THE UNITED STATES. 1041 00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:40,000 >> AND HE SHOWS UP IN POLLS 1042 00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,000 THROUGH THE DECADES AGAIN AND 1043 00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,000 AGAIN NOT BECAUSE HE WAS RUNNING 1044 00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:45,000 FOR ANYTHING, BUT BECAUSE OF HIS 1045 00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:48,000 NAME RECOGNITION, PEOPLE PUT HIM 1046 00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:49,000 ON POLLS, AND HE DID VERY WELL. 1047 00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:50,000 SO IT KIND OF BUILT. 1048 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,000 WELL, WE WANT TO TURN IT OVER TO 1049 00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:53,000 ALL OF YOU TO TAKE YOUR 1050 00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:55,000 QUESTIONS, SO IF YOU WANT TO 1051 00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,000 RAISE YOUR HAND, WE'LL HAVE THE 1052 00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:00,000 FOLKS WITH THE MICROPHONES COME 1053 00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,000 BY AND START -- GO AHEAD. 1054 00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:04,000 YEP. 1055 00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:05,000 >> COULD YOU DISCUSS HIS PERSONALITY? 1056 00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,000 WAS HE WARM? 1057 00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,000 DID HE LOOK YOU IN THE IDEA? 1058 00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,000 WAS HE RESERVED? 1059 00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:13,000 DID YOU SEE HIM WITH MELANIA? 1060 00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:14,000 A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HIS PERSONALITY. 1061 00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:15,000 >> SURE. 1062 00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,000 IN OUR INTERVIEWS AT TRUMP 1063 00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,000 TOWER, THEY WERE IN HIS OFFICE 1064 00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:21,000 ON THE 26TH FLOOR WITH THIS 1065 00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,000 GLORIOUS VIEW OF CENTRAL PARK 1066 00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,000 AND FIFTH EAVE, AND HE WAS -- 1067 00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:27,000 FIFTH AVENUE, AND HE WAS VERY 1068 00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:28,000 COURTEOUS AND WAS, YOU KNOW, AS 1069 00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:29,000 I SAID BEFORE, QUITE GENEROUS 1070 00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,000 WITH HIS TIME. 1071 00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:34,000 WE NEVER SAW MELANIA. 1072 00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:35,000 HIS KIDS WOULD WANDER IN, IVANKA 1073 00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,000 AND ERIC WOULD WANDER IN FROM 1074 00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:40,000 TIME TO TIME. 1075 00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:41,000 AND TALK WITH HIM ABOUT A 1076 00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:44,000 BUSINESS TRIP HE WERE GOING ON 1077 00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:45,000 OR A PROBLEM AT THE PROPERTY IN 1078 00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,000 MIAMI. 1079 00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:48,000 BUT HE'S VERY SOFT SPOKEN IN 1080 00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:50,000 THAT SETTING. 1081 00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:53,000 YOU GET NONE OF THE BLUSTER THAT 1082 00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:54,000 WE'RE FAMILIAR WITH FROM THE RALLIES. 1083 00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:57,000 AND HE -- ON THE OTHER HAND, IT 1084 00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:58,000 IS DIFFICULT TO HAVE A LINEAR 1085 00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,000 CONVERSATION WITH HIM. 1086 00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:01,000 YOU CAN ASK HIM ABOUT STUFF, AND 1087 00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:03,000 HE KNOWS HIS FIELD 1088 00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:06,000 EXTRAORDINARILY WELL. 1089 00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:08,000 IF YOU ASK HIM ABOUT BUSINESS 1090 00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:12,000 DEALS HE MADE IN 1978, HE WILL 1091 00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:13,000 REMEMBER BUILDING MATERIALS AND 1092 00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:15,000 SUBCONTRACTORS' NAMES AND THE 1093 00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:17,000 WHOLE PROCESS OF MAKING, OF 1094 00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,000 WORKING THROUGH A NEGOTIATION. 1095 00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:20,000 BUT IF YOU ASK HIM ANYTHING THAT 1096 00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:24,000 VEERS OFF OF WHAT HE KNOWS BEST, 1097 00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:26,000 THE KNOWLEDGE BASE IS VERY THIN, 1098 00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:28,000 AND HE TENDS TO CHANGE THE TOPIC 1099 00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:31,000 VERY QUICKLY, A SENTENCE OR TWO 1100 00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:32,000 AND HE'S OFF ON TO SOMETHING 1101 00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:34,000 ELSE. 1102 00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:37,000 HE HAS SORT OF BASE TOPICS THAT 1103 00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:39,000 HE GOES BACK TO WHEN HE'S A 1104 00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,000 LITTLE BIT FLUSTERED ABOUT NOT 1105 00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:42,000 KNOWING SOMETHING. 1106 00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:43,000 HE'LL ALL OF A SUDDEN TALK ABOUT 1107 00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,000 HIS TV RATINGS. 1108 00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:47,000 >> THERE'S ANOTHER THING THAT HE WOULD DO. 1109 00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:48,000 I SPOKE TO HIM ONLY ON THE PHONE 1110 00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,000 SEVERAL TIMES. 1111 00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:51,000 IF HE WAS PRESSED ON SOMETHING, 1112 00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,000 HE WOULD ALMOST SEEM TO GET 1113 00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:54,000 CAUGHT IN A GROOVE, AND HE WOULD 1114 00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,000 REPEAT THE SAME THING OVER AND 1115 00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:57,000 OVER AND OVER AGAIN. 1116 00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,000 AND SOMETIMES ONE OF MY 1117 00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,000 COLLEAGUES, DREW, WAS ESPECIALLY 1118 00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:02,000 ADEPT AT THIS, HE WOULD SORT OF 1119 00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:04,000 SAY, MR. TRUMP, MR. TRUMP, AND 1120 00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:05,000 KIND OF BRING HIM BACK -- 1121 00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,000 [LAUGHTER] ON COURSE. 1122 00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:10,000 AND BE THEN WE'D MOVE ON. 1123 00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:12,000 BUT SORT OF JOKING ASIDE, IT WAS 1124 00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:15,000 REALLY A PRONOUNCED THING TO BE 1125 00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:17,000 TALKING WITH SOMEONE WHO SEEMED 1126 00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:18,000 TO VEER OFF AND GET CAUGHT IN A 1127 00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:19,000 GROOVE. 1128 00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:20,000 >> HE'S A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT 1129 00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,000 PERSON, I THINK, IN PERSON. 1130 00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,000 HE'S VERY CHARMING, HE'S VERY 1131 00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:25,000 NICE, HE KNOWS YOUR NAME, HE 1132 00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:26,000 LOOKS AT YOU. 1133 00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,000 I MEAN, EVERYONE SAYS THAT. 1134 00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,000 IT'S NOT THIS BOMBASTIC GUY THAT 1135 00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:31,000 YOU SEE ON TV, AND EVERYBODY 1136 00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:33,000 THAT'S WORKED WITH HIM OVER THE 1137 00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:35,000 YEARS SAY I WORKED WITH THIS GUY 1138 00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:36,000 FOR 20 YEARS, TURN ON THE TV, I 1139 00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:38,000 DON'T KNOW WHO THIS IS. 1140 00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:41,000 >> THIS GENTLEMAN HERE. 1141 00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:43,000 YEP. 1142 00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:47,000 >> I'M CURIOUS OF THE ASPECTS OF 1143 00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:49,000 TRUMP'S LIFE AND HIS EXPERIENCES 1144 00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:51,000 THAT YOU RESEARCHED, WHAT OF THE 1145 00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:54,000 CHALLENGES OR SITUATIONS WERE 1146 00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:58,000 MOST ANALOGOUS TO THE KINDS OF 1147 00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:02,000 CHALLENGES A PRESIDENT FACES? 1148 00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:03,000 AND WHAT CAN WE LEARN FROM THOSE? 1149 00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:07,000 I MEAN, YOU'VE, YOUR BOOK HAS 1150 00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:10,000 RESEARCHED AND I'M LOOKING 1151 00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,000 FORWARD TO THE CHANCE TO READ IT 1152 00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:13,000 HOW HE DEALT WITH WOMEN, HOW HE 1153 00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:15,000 DEALT WITH CELEBRITY, YOU KNOW, 1154 00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:17,000 AND BUSINESS DEALS, BUT THIS IS 1155 00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:22,000 CLEARLY NOT A DIRECT ANALOGY TO 1156 00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:23,000 WHAT A PRESIDENT WOULD FACE. 1157 00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:24,000 >> RIGHT. 1158 00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:28,000 >> AND SO WHAT CAN WE LEARN, 1159 00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:31,000 WHAT IS MOST INSTRUCTIVE IN THIS 1160 00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:33,000 IN UNDERSTANDING WHAT HE WOULD 1161 00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,000 BE ACTUALLY LIKE AS A PRESIDENT? >> MICHAEL? 1162 00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:36,000 >> WELL, YOU KNOW, IT'S A GREAT 1163 00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:38,000 QUESTION. 1164 00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:39,000 AND THE PARALLEL IS WHAT HE DID 1165 00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:40,000 RUNNING HIS BUSINESSES. 1166 00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:41,000 AND NEARLY ALL THE BUSINESSES 1167 00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:42,000 THAT HE RAN WERE PRIVATE 1168 00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:44,000 BUSINESSES. 1169 00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:47,000 SO THEY'RE DIFFICULT TO EXAMINE 1170 00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:49,000 TIL YOU GO THROUGH ANCILLARY 1171 00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:50,000 SOURCES LIKE CASINO CONTROL 1172 00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:51,000 COMMISSION RECORDS WHICH BOB AND 1173 00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:52,000 OTHER REPORTERS DID, FOR 1174 00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:54,000 EXAMPLE. 1175 00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:55,000 HE DID HAVE SIX CORPORATE 1176 00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,000 BANKRUPTCIES. 1177 00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:58,000 HE HAS OFTEN SAID HE HAD FOUR CORPORATE BANKRUPTCIES. 1178 00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:00,000 THIS IS INSTRUCTIVE TO 1179 00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,000 UNDERSTAND HOW HE SORT OF THINKS. 1180 00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:03,000 AND, CLEARLY, THERE WERE SIX. 1181 00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:04,000 WE ASKED HIM TO EXPLAIN WHEN YOU 1182 00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:07,000 SAY FOUR, WHAT DO YOU MEAN? 1183 00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:08,000 HE SAID, WELL, I THINK OF THE 1184 00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:10,000 THREE CASINOS AS ONE BANKRUPTCY. 1185 00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:12,000 IN FACT, THERE WERE THREE 1186 00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:14,000 SEPARATE CORPORATIONS FOR PRE-PACKAGED BANKRUPTCIES AS 1187 00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:15,000 THEY'RE CALLED, AND THERE 1188 00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:17,000 CLEARLY WERE THREE SEPARATE 1189 00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:19,000 ONES, BUT TO HIM IT'S ONE. 1190 00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:20,000 PART OF IT, HE WANTS TO PUT THE 1191 00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:22,000 BEST IMAGE OUT THERE. 1192 00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:23,000 BUT THE ANSWER DIRECTLY TO YOUR 1193 00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:26,000 QUESTION IS THAT HE WAS TOLD BY 1194 00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:27,000 HIS FATHER, DON'T GO DEEPLY INTO 1195 00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:29,000 DEBT. 1196 00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:30,000 AND AS BOB MENTIONED, HE ENDS UP 1197 00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:32,000 GOING INTO JUNK BONDS. 1198 00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,000 HE WAS HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OR 1199 00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:35,000 EVEN BILLIONS IN DEBT. 1200 00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:37,000 TIME ANDEN AGAIN HE THOUGHT THAT 1201 00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:39,000 HE WAS NOT GOING TO SURVIVE. 1202 00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:41,000 WE TALKED TO A PERSON WHO WAS 1203 00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:42,000 BASICALLY GIVEN THE JOB OF 1204 00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,000 NEGOTIATING WITH BONDHOLDERS OR 1205 00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:47,000 AND BANKS, AND AND THAT PERSON 1206 00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:48,000 TOLD US HE WAS VERY CONCERNED. 1207 00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:50,000 THIS WAS SOMEONE WHO KNEW DONALD 1208 00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:51,000 TRUMP AS WELL AS ANYBODY, AND HE 1209 00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:53,000 WAS VERY CONCERNED ABOUT DONALD 1210 00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:55,000 TRUMP AT THIS MOMENT. 1211 00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:56,000 HE SAID, I'M LOOKING AT HIM, 1212 00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:58,000 IT'S BANKRUPTCY AFTER BANKRUPTCY. 1213 00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:00,000 HE'S IN THE MIDST OF A HUGE 1214 00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:01,000 DIVORCE, HE'S BEING HUMILIATED 1215 00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:03,000 DAY AFTER DAY ON THE FRONT PAGES 1216 00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:05,000 OF THE NEWSPAPERS, AND I WORRY 1217 00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:07,000 THAT, YOU KNOW, HE MIGHT TAKE HIS OWN LIFE. 1218 00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:10,000 IT'S A VERY STRIKING STATEMENT 1219 00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:11,000 FOR SOMEONE WHO ACTUALLY FEELS 1220 00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:13,000 AFFECTIONATELY ABOUT DONALD 1221 00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:14,000 TRUMPMENT AND WHAT HE SAID WAS 1222 00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:16,000 BUT WHEN I WALKED INTO THE 1223 00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:17,000 OFFICE OF DONALD TRUMP, THERE HE 1224 00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:18,000 WAS. 1225 00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:20,000 HIS SUIT LOOKED PERFECT, HIS TIE 1226 00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:21,000 WAS PERFECT AS WELL, AND HE 1227 00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:23,000 WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S 1228 00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:25,000 NEXT, WHAT DO WE DO NEXTING? 1229 00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:29,000 AND HE HAD THIS ABILITY TO TRY 1230 00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:30,000 TO BE THINKING POSITIVELY, ONE 1231 00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:35,000 OF HIS MENTORS WAS NORMAN 1232 00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:37,000 VINCENT PEALE, THE POWER OF 1233 00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:39,000 POSITIVE THINKING. 1234 00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:42,000 THAT COULD MEAN HE'S DETACHED 1235 00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:43,000 FROM REAL ESTATE OR HE'S JUST SO 1236 00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:44,000 POSITIVE-ORIENTED THAT HE 1237 00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:45,000 DOESN'T WANT TO THINK ABOUT SOME 1238 00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:47,000 OF THE DEEP PROBLEMS HE HAD. 1239 00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:48,000 BUT THE REALITY IS WHILE HE 1240 00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:50,000 CERTAINLY SAYS HE'S A GREAT 1241 00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:52,000 BUSINESS PERSON, HIS BUSINESSES 1242 00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:54,000 HAD TROUBLE TIME AND TIME AGAIN. 1243 00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:55,000 DREW CAN TALK MORE, HE'S A 1244 00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:56,000 REPORTER HERE IN THE AUDIENCE 1245 00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:58,000 WHO WORKED ON THIS. 1246 00:43:58,000 --> 00:43:59,000 HE HAD A PUBLIC COMPANY AT ONE 1247 00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:02,000 POINT, ONE TIME ONLY, BECAUSE HE 1248 00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:04,000 HAD TO RAISE A LOT OF CAPITA. 1249 00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:06,000 THAT -- CAPITAL. 1250 00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:07,000 THAT COMPANY DID DO WELL AT 1251 00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:10,000 FIRST, BUT THE STOCK PRICE WENT 1252 00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:11,000 FROM SOMETHING LIKE $35 TO 17 1253 00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:12,000 CENTS. 1254 00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:14,000 AND THE SHAREHOLDERS WERE VERY 1255 00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:15,000 ANGRY, THIS WERE LAWSUITS FILED 1256 00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:16,000 THAT WE WRITE ABOUT, BUT THE 1257 00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:20,000 BOTTOM LINE IS THAT TRUMP WAS 1258 00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:22,000 ABLE TO SURVIVE. 1259 00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:23,000 ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF BEING AT THE 1260 00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:25,000 ABSOLUTE DEPTHS ASK AND FINDING 1261 00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:26,000 A WAY FOR HIMSELF TO SURVIVE. 1262 00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:28,000 AND THIS IS INSTRUCTIVE. 1263 00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:30,000 THIS IS, YOU KNOW, DONALD TRUMP 1264 00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:34,000 VIEWS IT AS, YOU KNOW, HIS WORDS 1265 00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:35,000 ARE IT'S A ONE-MAN ARMY. 1266 00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:37,000 AND HE TALKED IN ONE OF HIS 1267 00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:38,000 BOOKS ABOUT THE POWER OF 1268 00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:40,000 NARCISSISM, FOR EXAMPLE. 1269 00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:42,000 HE STARTED A BOOK BY THAT NAME, 1270 00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:43,000 AND HE SAID IT'S A VERY POWERFUL 1271 00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:44,000 THING. 1272 00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:46,000 THE YOU WANT TO BE SUCCESSFUL, 1273 00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:48,000 YOU HAVE TO THINK IN THAT TUNNEL 1274 00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:49,000 VISION WAY ONLY ABOUT MAKING 1275 00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:51,000 SURE YOU DO SURVIVE. 1276 00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:53,000 AND ANOTHER ONE OF HIS POINTS IN 1277 00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:54,000 THE BOOK THINK LIKE A 1278 00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:56,000 BILLIONAIRE, HE ADVISE ARES THAT 1279 00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:58,000 YOU HAVE A, QUOTE, SHORT 1280 00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:00,000 ATTENTION SPAN, UNQUOTE. 1281 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,000 SO EITHER HE SEES THAT AS AN 1282 00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:03,000 ATTRIBUTE OR HE KNOWS HE HAS 1283 00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:05,000 THIS PARTICULAR DISPOSITION, AND 1284 00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:06,000 HE TRIES TO PUT IT IN THE MOST 1285 00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:07,000 POSITIVE WAY. 1286 00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:08,000 BUT EXAMINING THAT BUSINESS 1287 00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:10,000 CAREER AND SEEING, YOU KNOW, AS 1288 00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:12,000 WE TRY TO DO IN THE BOOK, YOU 1289 00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:13,000 KNOW, THE PEAKS AND THE VALLEYS 1290 00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:16,000 AND ACTUALLY HOW HE'S OPERATED, 1291 00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:17,000 IT SEEMS TO BE THE BEST GUIDE 1292 00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:18,000 FOR HOW HE MIGHT TRY TO 1293 00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:19,000 OPERATE -- 1294 00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:21,000 >> ONE HUGE QUESTION COMES UP 1295 00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:22,000 THERE IS THAT HE IS THE FIRST 1296 00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:24,000 PRESIDENT WHO HAS A LOT OF 1297 00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:25,000 FOREIGN HOLDINGS AS PEOPLE LOOK 1298 00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:27,000 AT HIS FOREIGN POLICY, YOU KNOW? 1299 00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:30,000 HE'S EXPANDING ABROAD. 1300 00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:32,000 KEVIN SULLIVAN IS HERE, WENT TO 1301 00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:34,000 AZERBAIJAN, WE HAD REPORTERS IN 1302 00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:36,000 MOSCOW LOOKING AT HIS DEALINGS, 1303 00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,000 THEY'RE IN PANAMA, AND WE'VE 1304 00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:39,000 NEVER HAD ANYBODY WHO WOULD BE 1305 00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:40,000 IN THE WHITE HOUSE WHO HAS A 1306 00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:42,000 GLOBAL BUSINESS EMPIRE. 1307 00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:43,000 SO YOUR GOOD QUESTION IS, HOW 1308 00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:45,000 WOULD THIS WORK? 1309 00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:47,000 IS HE GOING TO DIVEST, AND IS IT 1310 00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:48,000 ENOUGH TO DIVEST HIMSELF? 1311 00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:49,000 IS THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION WITH 1312 00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:51,000 THE KIDS? 1313 00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:53,000 I MEAN, THE VALUE GOES UP OF HIS 1314 00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:55,000 HOLDINGS ALL AROUND THE WORLD. 1315 00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:56,000 AND HE IS INCREASING HIS 1316 00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:58,000 WORLDWIDE HOLDINGS. 1317 00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:00,000 IT GOES UP IF HE'S IN THE WHITE HOUSE. 1318 00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:02,000 >> I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE IF YOU 1319 00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:04,000 THINK ABOUT WHAT DO PRESIDENTS 1320 00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:06,000 DO, THEY SYNTHESIZE INFORMATION 1321 00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:07,000 AND COME TO DECISIONS, THEY 1322 00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:09,000 PERSUADE PEOPLE OF THEIR 1323 00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:12,000 POSITIONS, AND THEY HAVE A RAM A 1324 00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:13,000 OF SOME KIND. -- A PROGRAM OF 1325 00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:14,000 SOME KIND. 1326 00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,000 WELL, DONALD TRUMP IS NOT 1327 00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:18,000 SOMEONE WHO TAKES IN INFORMATION VERY DEEPLY. 1328 00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:20,000 WE ASKED HIM ABOUT HOW HE MAKES 1329 00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:22,000 DECISIONS, WHAT HE READS, AND HE 1330 00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:24,000 SAYS HE DOESN'T READ REPORTS OR 1331 00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:26,000 BRIEFINGS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. 1332 00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:29,000 HE DOESN'T LIKE TO READ ANYTHING OF ANY LENGTH. 1333 00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:31,000 HE BELIEVES THAT HE COMES TO 1334 00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:32,000 DECISIONS BY GUT, BY INSTINCT. 1335 00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:34,000 AND SO HE VERY MUCH WANTS PEOPLE 1336 00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:35,000 TO COME IN AND TELL HIM ABOUT 1337 00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:37,000 SOMETHING ORALLY, AND HE 1338 00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:38,000 BELIEVES THAT HE WILL GET THE 1339 00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:39,000 NUB OF IT IN A MATTER OF 1340 00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:41,000 SECONDS. 1341 00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:43,000 HE'S, OBVIOUSLY OR, VERY GOOD AT 1342 00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:44,000 PERSUADING PEOPLE THAT HE KNOWS 1343 00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:47,000 A WAY FORWARD, BUT WHEN IT COMES 1344 00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:49,000 TO PERSUADING PEOPLE 1345 00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:52,000 INDIVIDUALLY IN THE WAY THAT THE 1346 00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:53,000 PRESIDENT HAS TO TO FORM 1347 00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:54,000 COALITIONS AND ACHIEVE 1348 00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:56,000 COMPROMISES, THAT'S SOMETHING 1349 00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:57,000 THAT HE'S DONE VERY LITTLE OF IN 1350 00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:59,000 HIS CAREER. 1351 00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:01,000 HE TALKS ABOUT BEING A GREAT 1352 00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:03,000 NEGOTIATOR, AND WE'VE CERTAINLY 1353 00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:04,000 SPOKEN TO SOME OF HIS BUSINESS 1354 00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:06,000 ASSOCIATIONS WHO CREDIT HIM FOR 1355 00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:08,000 THAT, OR BUT WE'VE ALSO SOAKEN 1356 00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:09,000 TO A LOT OF PEOPLE -- SPOKEN TO 1357 00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:11,000 A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO WORK WITH 1358 00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:13,000 HIM WHO SAY THAT HE'S ALL ABOUT 1359 00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:15,000 GETTING HIS WAY, AND HE'S NOT 1360 00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:18,000 ONE TO REACH COMPROMISES. 1361 00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:19,000 YES, OVER HERE. 1362 00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:22,000 GO AHEAD. 1363 00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:24,000 [INAUDIBLE CONVERSATIONS] 1364 00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:27,000 >> NO, RIGHT HERE. 1365 00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:32,000 >> I JUST WONDER, HIS STRONG 1366 00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:35,000 ANTI-MEXICAN NARRATIVE IN THIS 1367 00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:37,000 CAMPAIGN WHICH HAS PRETTY MUCH 1368 00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:39,000 DEFINED THE CAMPAIGN, WHERE DOES 1369 00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:41,000 IT COME FROM? 1370 00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:44,000 AND DID YOU HAVE PEOPLE IN 1371 00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:46,000 MEXICO RESEARCHING OR LOOKING 1372 00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:48,000 INTO HIS DEALS THERE? 1373 00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:49,000 COULD IT COME FROM HIS 1374 00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:50,000 FRUSTRATION? 1375 00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:51,000 APPARENTLY, HE DIDN'T DO VERY 1376 00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:53,000 WELL DOWN THERE? 1377 00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:56,000 >> WELL, I WAS THE BUREAU CHIEF 1378 00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:58,000 IN MEXICO FOR FIVE YEARS WITH MY 1379 00:47:58,000 --> 00:47:59,000 HUSBAND, KEVIN SULLIVAN, AND WE 1380 00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:01,000 WENT TO INTERVIEW THE LAST TWO 1381 00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:04,000 PRESIDENTS ABOUT THIS, VICENTE 1382 00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:07,000 FOX AND PHILIPPE CALDERON, AND 1383 00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:08,000 AS FAR AS WE CAN TELL -- AND 1384 00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:10,000 ESPECIALLY HAVING BEEN AT 1385 00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:11,000 RALLIES -- IT COMES FROM A LOT 1386 00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:12,000 OF PEOPLE IN AMERICA LIKE WHAT 1387 00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:13,000 HE HAS TO SAY, AND HE KNOWS 1388 00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:15,000 THAT. 1389 00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:17,000 HE GETS REINFORCED EVERY DAY. 1390 00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:19,000 IT MAY BE THE MOST POPULAR THING HE SAYS. 1391 00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:21,000 THERE'S NO HINT THAT HE'S 1392 00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:22,000 ALWAYS, I MEAN, NOT LIKED MEXICO 1393 00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:25,000 OR ANYTHING. 1394 00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:28,000 HE, HIS GIFT IS THAT HE IS 1395 00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:30,000 SAYING -- THIS IS WHAT WE KEEP 1396 00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:31,000 HEARING AT RALLIES AND TALKING 1397 00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:33,000 TO MILLIONS OF AMERICANS, 1398 00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:35,000 THEY'RE FED UP, AND HE SAYS, AND 1399 00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:37,000 HE'LL TELL YOU THAT IN 1400 00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:39,000 INTERVIEWS TOO, IS THAT HE'S A 1401 00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:41,000 REFLECTION OF WHAT PEOPLE WANT, YOU KNOW? 1402 00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:42,000 HE THINKS THAT OUR IMMIGRATION 1403 00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:45,000 POLICIES HAVE BEEN WRONG. 1404 00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:47,000 >> TO AMPLIFY THAT, I THINK ONE 1405 00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:49,000 THING THAT'S A SAFE BET WITH 1406 00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:51,000 DONALD TRUMP ALTHOUGH WE CAN'T 1407 00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:52,000 BE SURE OF IT, IS THAT HE'S 1408 00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:55,000 ACTUALLY THE EMBODIMENT OF A 1409 00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:57,000 POPULIST POLITICIAN, AND WE'VE 1410 00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:58,000 HAD A HISTORY OF THOSE GOING 1411 00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:01,000 BACK 200-PLUS YEARS. 1412 00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:04,000 AND THEY EMERGE PERIODICALLY, 1413 00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:05,000 AND THE PATTERNS ARE VERY SIMILAR. 1414 00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:07,000 THEY SAY WHAT PEOPLE WANT TO 1415 00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:09,000 HEAR, THEY TRY TO APPEAL TO 1416 00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:14,000 PEOPLE'S ANGER AND FRUSTRATION, 1417 00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:15,000 AND IT'S POSSIBLE THAT DONALD 1418 00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:17,000 TRUMP DOESN'T HAVE ANY ANIMUS 1419 00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:19,000 TOWARDS MEXICANS AND THAT HE'S 1420 00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:21,000 ONLY PLAYING THE CARDS THAT HE 1421 00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:23,000 SEES ARE OUT THERE FOR HIM TO 1422 00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:25,000 PLAY WITH. 1423 00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:27,000 AND IF THAT'S THE CASE, WE 1424 00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:28,000 SHOULD BE TROUBLED BECAUSE WHAT 1425 00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:30,000 WE NEED TO SOME DEGREE IN OUR 1426 00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:33,000 LEADERS, I SUPPOSE, IS A GENERAL 1427 00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:34,000 SENSE THAT THEY'RE TELLING US 1428 00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:35,000 WHAT THEY REALLY FEEL AND THE 1429 00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:37,000 TRUTH AND AT LEAST PURSUING 1430 00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:38,000 POLICIES THAT ARE SORT OF 1431 00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:39,000 GENERALLY IN THE INTERESTS OF 1432 00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:41,000 THE COUNTRY. 1433 00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:43,000 >> TO ADD TO WHAT BOB'S SAYING, 1434 00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:44,000 I'D LIKE TO CONTRAST THIS -- 1435 00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:46,000 WELL, HIS CURRENT POSITION ON 1436 00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:47,000 MEXICANS WITH WHAT HE SAID IN 1437 00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:48,000 THE PREVIOUS TIME WHEN HE WAS 1438 00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:52,000 REALLY CLOSE TO RUNNING FOR 1439 00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:53,000 PRESIDENT IN 1999 AND 2000. 1440 00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:55,000 UP TO THAT POINT, HE WAS 1441 00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:57,000 CONSIDERING RUNNING AS A THIRD 1442 00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:58,000 PARTY CANDIDATE AGAINST PAT 1443 00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:00,000 BUCHANAN, REMEMBER HIM? 1444 00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:02,000 AND DONALD TRUMP SAID THAT THE 1445 00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:04,000 REASON -- HE'D BE A BETTER 1446 00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:06,000 REFORM PARTY CANDIDATE THAN PAT 1447 00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:07,000 BUY CANNA BECAUSE HE WAS ALL 1448 00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:10,000 ABOUT INCLUSIVENESS, AND HE DID 1449 00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:11,000 NOT LIKE THE WAY PAT BUCHANAN 1450 00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:14,000 SPOKE ABOUT NUMBERS OF PEOPLE 1451 00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:15,000 INCLUDING JEWS, BLACKS, GAYS AND 1452 00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:17,000 MEXICANS. 1453 00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:18,000 WHAT YOU'RE SEEING NOW WHEN YOU 1454 00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:20,000 GO TO THE RALLIES AND YOU 1455 00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:21,000 EXPERIENCE THAT -- AND HE'S SAID 1456 00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:23,000 IT HIMSELF -- IS THAT WHEN THE 1457 00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:25,000 CROWD GETS LOW, HE LOVES TO 1458 00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:27,000 BRING OUT THE ISSUE OF WHO'S 1459 00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:28,000 GOING TO BUILD THE WALL, BECAUSE 1460 00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:31,000 THE CROWD GOES NUTS. 1461 00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:33,000 IT'S A WAY TO ADD SOMETHING TO 1462 00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:34,000 THE POLITICAL PERSPECTIVE THAT 1463 00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:36,000 PEOPLE CAN UNDERSTAND AND THAT 1464 00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:37,000 THEY HAVE A VERY VISCERAL 1465 00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:39,000 RESPONSE ABOUT. 1466 00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:42,000 AND FOR HIM, THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT. 1467 00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:45,000 IN FACT, WE SPOKE TO A NUMBER OF 1468 00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:46,000 PEOPLE WHO WERE TALKING TO HIM 1469 00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:47,000 ABOUT THE DECISION TO RUN FOR 1470 00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:49,000 PRESIDENT, AND WHEN HE TALKED 1471 00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:50,000 ABOUT THE ISSUES THAT WERE 1472 00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:52,000 REALLY IMPORTANT TO HIM, THE 1473 00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:53,000 RELATIONSHIP WITH MEXICO DIDN'T 1474 00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:54,000 REALLY COME UP. 1475 00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:57,000 IN FACT, A NUMBER OF THEM WERE 1476 00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:59,000 SURPRISED WHEN HE TALKED, HE 1477 00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:01,000 MADE THE ALLUSIONS TO RAPISTS 1478 00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:02,000 AND CRIMINALS CROSSING THE 1479 00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:03,000 BORDER IN THE FIRST SPEECH. 1480 00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:06,000 >> ONE OF THE PEOPLE WHO WE 1481 00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:08,000 SPOKE TO WHO WAS CLOSEST TO 1482 00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:09,000 TRUMP GAVE US SOME GUIDANCE AND 1483 00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:10,000 SAID WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO 1484 00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:12,000 UNDERSTAND HIS MOTIVES, ALWAYS 1485 00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:15,000 GO FIRST TO THE IDEA THAT HE 1486 00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:16,000 THINKS OF HIMSELF FOREMOST AS A 1487 00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:18,000 SHOWMAN. 1488 00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:21,000 AND HE WILL ALWAYS CHOOSE THE 1489 00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:23,000 MOST PROVOCATIVE LINE OF ATTACK 1490 00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:25,000 BECAUSE HE WANTS TO GET THE 1491 00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:26,000 RESPONSE, THE AFFIRMATION FROM 1492 00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:29,000 THE CROWD. 1493 00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:31,000 YES, SIR, OVER HERE. >> YEAH. 1494 00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:32,000 I WANT TO ASK ABOUT SOMETHING 1495 00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:34,000 THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT IN A 1496 00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:35,000 PRESIDENT, AND THAT'S HIS 1497 00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:36,000 TEMPER. 1498 00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:41,000 I WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT IN 1499 00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:43,000 THE '80s AND EARLY '90s I 1500 00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:44,000 WAS IN CHARGE OF PROMOTING 1501 00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:45,000 ATLANTIC CITY, SO I HAVE A 1502 00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:46,000 LITTLE BIT OF KNOWLEDGE ABOUT 1503 00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:48,000 THIS. 1504 00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:51,000 WHEN DONALD TRUMP SAW AN ARTICLE 1505 00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:55,000 IN THE ATLANTIC CITY PRESS OR 1506 00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:57,000 WORSE, AN EDITORIAL, HE PULLED 1507 00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:59,000 THE NEWSPAPER OFF THE NEWSSTANDS 1508 00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:01,000 IN ALL OF HIS HOTELS AND 1509 00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:03,000 ATLANTIC CITY MAGAZINE, WHICH 1510 00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:06,000 THEY ALSO OWNED. 1511 00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:07,000 HE DIDN'T LIKE WHAT THE CASINO 1512 00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:09,000 ASSOCIATION DID, HE STOPPED 1513 00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:10,000 PAYING THE DUES WHICH WAS 25% OF 1514 00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:11,000 THE BUDGET. 1515 00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:12,000 SO I ALWAYS THINK OF HIM AT 1516 00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:15,000 PETULANT. 1517 00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:16,000 I WAS WONDERING IF YOU FOUND IN 1518 00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:18,000 YOUR RESEARCH ANYTHING THAT 1519 00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:19,000 WOULD GIVE YOU SOME GUIDANCE AS 1520 00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:21,000 TO WHAT HIS TEMPER WILL BE LIKE 1521 00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:23,000 IF HE GETS ELECTED? 1522 00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:25,000 >> HE'S SAID, YOU KNOW, MANY 1523 00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:26,000 TIMES I CAN BE A SCREAMER, 1524 00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:27,000 QUOTE-UNQUOTE. 1525 00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:28,000 AND I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE 1526 00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:29,000 ANECDOTE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IN 1527 00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:31,000 ATLANTIC CITY. 1528 00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:33,000 AND THE PERSON I REFERENCED WHEN 1529 00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:35,000 I STARTED TALKING THIS EVENING 1530 00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:36,000 WAS JOHN O'DONNELL WHO WROTE A 1531 00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:41,000 BOOK CALLED TRUMPED, EXCLAMATION 1532 00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:43,000 POINT, AND HE REPEATEDLY CITES 1533 00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:45,000 THESE TEMPERAMENT ISSUE. 1534 00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:49,000 AND, IN FACT, DONALD TRUMP, HE 1535 00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:50,000 GOT SO FRUSTRATED, HE ENDED UP 1536 00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:51,000 QUITTING. 1537 00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:54,000 I ASKED TRUMP ABOUT THIS, HE 1538 00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:56,000 SAID, NO, I FIRED HIM. [LAUGHTER] 1539 00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:57,000 BUT YOU DO HEAR THAT FROM A 1540 00:52:57,000 --> 00:52:58,000 NUMBER OF PEOPLE, AND TRUMP 1541 00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:01,000 HIMSELF HAS SAID HE IS A 1542 00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:02,000 SCREAMER, THOSE WERE HIS OWN WORDS. 1543 00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:04,000 AS TO HOW THAT WOULD REFLECT, 1544 00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:05,000 YOU KNOW, BOB MENTIONED ROY 1545 00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:06,000 COHN. 1546 00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:08,000 ROY COHN WAS THE LAWYER FOR 1547 00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:09,000 DONALD TRUMP WHEN THE U.S. 1548 00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:12,000 GOVERNMENT SUED DONALD TRUMP AND 1549 00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:14,000 HIS FATHER FRED TRUMP FOR RACE 1550 00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:16,000 BIAS IN 1973. 1551 00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:18,000 AND ROY COHN ADVISED DONALD 1552 00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:20,000 TRUMP WHEN YOU'RE HIT, HIT BACK 1553 00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:22,000 TEN TIMES HARDER OR A HUNDRED 1554 00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:24,000 TIMES HARDER AND THAT, YOU KNOW, 1555 00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:26,000 IS THE ROOT OF HIS PERSONALITY. 1556 00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:28,000 THEY ACTUALLY SETTLED THAT CASE EVENTUALLY. 1557 00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:31,000 BUT TIME AND TIME AGAIN WE SEE A 1558 00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:33,000 LOT OF LAWSUITS, AND HE HAS, YOU 1559 00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:34,000 KNOW, INDEED THAT PHILOSOPHY, 1560 00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:37,000 HIT HIMSELF. 1561 00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:39,000 AND THAT CASE GAVE HIM AN ANIMUS 1562 00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:42,000 TOWARDS THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. 1563 00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:43,000 >> HE SETTLED THE CASE ONLY 1564 00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:45,000 AFTER DRAGGING IT OUT AND 1565 00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:47,000 ATTACKING VICIOUSLY THE 1566 00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:49,000 PROSECUTORS THROUGH ROY COHN X. 1567 00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:51,000 THAT'S AN ASPECT THAT HE'S MORE 1568 00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:53,000 THAN A SCREAMER, HE IS VERY OPEN 1569 00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:56,000 ABOUT WANTING TO PUNISH PEOPLE 1570 00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:57,000 WHO -- HE OFTEN USES THE PHRASE 1571 00:53:57,000 --> 00:53:59,000 VICIOUSLY ATTACK ME. 1572 00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:00,000 AND, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF 1573 00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:04,000 POLITICIANS WANT PAYBACK CAN 1574 00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:07,000 COME NOW OR LATER, SO HE FITS INTO THAT MOLD. 1575 00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:09,000 >> AND IT'S WORTH NOTING THAT A 1576 00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:10,000 LOT OF AMERICANS FIND THIS 1577 00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:11,000 APPEALING. 1578 00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:12,000 AGAIN, I THINK THAT THERE'S A 1579 00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:15,000 LOT OF PEOPLE WHO THINK THIS 1580 00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:16,000 GUY, WHEN HE'S HIT, SAYS HE'S 1581 00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:17,000 GOING TO HIT TEN TIMES HARDER, 1582 00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:18,000 AND THAT'S WHAT HE'S GOING TO DO 1583 00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:20,000 OUT THERE. 1584 00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:22,000 THEY LIKE HIS, YOU KNOW, 1585 00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:25,000 CONFIDENCE, AND HE IS CLEARLY 1586 00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:26,000 FEEDING OFF OF AN ENORMOUS 1587 00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:28,000 AMOUNT OF AMERICANS WHO LIKE 1588 00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:30,000 WHAT THEY SEE ON TV. 1589 00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:32,000 >> AND THAT PUGNACIOUS ATTITUDE 1590 00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:34,000 IS SOMETHING THAT WE TRACE IN 1591 00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:36,000 THE BOOK ALL THE WAY BACK TO HIS CHILDHOOD. 1592 00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:37,000 A NUMBER OF EXAMPLES OF STORIES 1593 00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:41,000 GOING BACK TO ELEMENT 1594 00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:42,000 RESCHOOL -- ELEMENTARY SCHOOL OF 1595 00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:43,000 REALLY KIND OF RUFFIAN BEHAVIOR, 1596 00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:45,000 AS HE CALLS IT. 1597 00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:48,000 YES, SIR. 1598 00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:49,000 >> YOU GUYS ARE REALLY AMAZING. 1599 00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:54,000 [LAUGHTER] 1600 00:54:55,000 --> 00:55:00,000 [INAUDIBLE] 1601 00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:03,000 [LAUGHTER] >> THANK YOU. 1602 00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:06,000 [APPLAUSE] 1603 00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:10,000 >> [INAUDIBLE] 1604 00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:13,000 MY QUESTION, MY QUESTION IS 1605 00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:15,000 WHICH IS VERY SCARY TO ME, IS 1606 00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:16,000 THAT AFTER 2000 THE PRESS SAID 1607 00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:21,000 THEY FELL DOWN ON THE JOB IN NOT 1608 00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:24,000 GOING AFTER BUSH'S MOTIVES FOR 1609 00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:29,000 GOING INTO IRAQ. 1610 00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:31,000 AND IT WASN'T UNTIL A DAY OR TWO 1611 00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:33,000 AGO I HAVE SEEN THE PRESS BEGIN 1612 00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:36,000 TO SAY THIS ISN'T TRUE. 1613 00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:39,000 AND NOT MERELY REPORT ON WHAT HE 1614 00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:40,000 IS SAYING, BUT SOME 1615 00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:43,000 JUXTAPOSITION OF IT. 1616 00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:48,000 HE SAID IN THIS THIS DAY AND SAD 1617 00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:52,000 THAT THAT DAY AND ACTUALLY CONFRONT IT. 1618 00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:54,000 BECAUSE I'M VERY SCARED ABOUT 1619 00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:56,000 VOTERS WHO, AS YOU SAID, THEIR 1620 00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:57,000 PASSIONS, THEY LIKE WHAT THEY 1621 00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:59,000 HEAR. 1622 00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:00,000 BUT MY CREDO IS, LET'S GET THE 1623 00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:02,000 FACTS AND ARGUE ABOUT CONCLUSIONS. 1624 00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:03,000 WHAT DO YOU EXPECT THE PRESS TO 1625 00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:04,000 DO, WHAT IS THE OBLIGATION OF 1626 00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:05,000 THE PRESS TO HOLD HIM 1627 00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:06,000 ACCOUNTABLE? 1628 00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:07,000 I'M NOT NECESSARILY TALKING 1629 00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:09,000 ABOUT "THE WASHINGTON POST," BUT 1630 00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:11,000 JUST IN GENERAL, TO HOLD HIM 1631 00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:14,000 ACCOUNTABLE AND SAY YOU CAN'T, 1632 00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:16,000 YOU CAN'T MAKE THESE ALLEGATIONS 1633 00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:18,000 WHEN THE FACTS BELIE IT. 1634 00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:20,000 >> ALL RIGHT. 1635 00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:22,000 WE'VE ACTUALLY, I'D SAY 1636 00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:24,000 EVERYWHERE WE GO WE GET A 1637 00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:25,000 QUESTION ABOUT THIS SENSE THAT 1638 00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:29,000 MANY PEOPLE HAVE THAT THERE'S 1639 00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:31,000 BEEN LATE OR NOT AGGRESSIVE 1640 00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:33,000 COVERAGE OF DONALD TRUMP. 1641 00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:34,000 WE ALSO GET THE SAME QUESTION 1642 00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:36,000 ABOUT HILLARY CLINTON. 1643 00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:38,000 AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE 1644 00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:40,000 REPORTING THAT WENT INTO THIS 1645 00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:42,000 BOOK ALSO FED MORE THAN 30 MAJOR 1646 00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:45,000 STORIES THAT APPEARED IN THE 1647 00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:46,000 POST OVER THE LAST FEW MONTHS 1648 00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:48,000 THAT GO INTO GREAT DETAIL IN 1649 00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:50,000 PUSHING BACK EXISTENCE TRUMP'S 1650 00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:51,000 OWN NARRATIVE -- AGAINST TRUMP'S 1651 00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:53,000 OWN NARRATIVE, OWN VERSION OF 1652 00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:54,000 HIS LIFE AND SUCCESSES AND CAREER. 1653 00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:56,000 BUT YOU'RE RIGHT, THERE ARE 1654 00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:59,000 OTHER ASPECTS OF THE NEWS MEDIA 1655 00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:01,000 THAT HAVE NOT BEEN AS AGGRESSIVE 1656 00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:04,000 IN DOING THE REPORTING THAT WE 1657 00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:06,000 THINK IS OUR OBLIGATION IN ANY 1658 00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:08,000 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN, IN ANY CAMPAIGN. 1659 00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:10,000 SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK 1660 00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:12,000 PARTICULARLY IN TELEVISION THERE 1661 00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:14,000 ARE QUESTIONS TO BE ASKED ABOUT, 1662 00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:17,000 YOU KNOW, GIVING OVER VAST 1663 00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:20,000 STRETCHES OF TIME TO RUNNING HIS 1664 00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:22,000 RALLIES AND SO ON, YOU KNOW, 1665 00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:23,000 GREATLY MORE TIME THAN WAS GIVEN 1666 00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:25,000 TO OTHER CANDIDATES. 1667 00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:26,000 BUT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T CONTROL 1668 00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:28,000 WHAT THEY DO. 1669 00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:29,000 WE DECIDED THAT THIS WAS OUR 1670 00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:31,000 OBLIGATION TO DO THIS DEEP 1671 00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:33,000 REPORTING AND COMMIT ENORMOUS 1672 00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:34,000 RESOURCES TO THIS BOOK AND AND 1673 00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:36,000 THE STORIES THAT HAVE APPEARED 1674 00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:37,000 IN THE PAPER AND WILL CONTINUE 1675 00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:38,000 TO APPEAR IN THE POST. 1676 00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:40,000 >> AND THE POST HAS BEEN BANNED 1677 00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:42,000 BY TRUMP, YOU KNOW? 1678 00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:44,000 I MEAN, HE HATES WHAT WE WRITE. 1679 00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:46,000 WE HAVE A FACT CHECKER FULL 1680 00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:47,000 TIME, WE'VE HAD ALL THESE BIG 1681 00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:50,000 STORIES. 1682 00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:52,000 BUT, YOU KNOW, IT IS A KEY QUESTION. 1683 00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:54,000 I THINK THE DEBATES AND STRONG 1684 00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:55,000 MODERATING IN THE UPCOMING 1685 00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:57,000 DEBATES IS ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL 1686 00:57:57,000 --> 00:57:59,000 BECAUSE THAT'S WHEN EVERYONE'S WATCHING. 1687 00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:00,000 BECAUSE PEOPLE LOOK AT ONE 1688 00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:01,000 STORY, AND THEN THEY CALL -- ONE 1689 00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:03,000 STORY ABOUT HILLARY CLINTON, AND 1690 00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:05,000 THEY'LL SAY WHYEN AREN'T YOU 1691 00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:06,000 GOING -- WHY AREN'T YOU GOING 1692 00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:08,000 AFTER DONALD TRUMP, AND THEN 1693 00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:12,000 THEY'LL SEE ONE THING ABOUT 1694 00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:14,000 DONALD TRUMP AND WHY THIS? 1695 00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:15,000 THE DEBATE IS GOING TO DEPEND A 1696 00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:17,000 LOT ON THE MODERATORS. 1697 00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:18,000 >> AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, HE MADE 1698 00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:20,000 THE IDEA THAT HASN'T BEEN TALKED 1699 00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:21,000 ABOUT THE LAST COUPLE OF DAYS. 1700 00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:22,000 THIS HAS BEEN WRITTEN ABOUT FOR 1701 00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:23,000 MONTHS BY OTHER ORGANIZATIONS, 1702 00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:25,000 BY OUR ORGANIZATION. 1703 00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:27,000 MANY TIMES THE FACT CHECKER THAT 1704 00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:29,000 MARY MENTIONED, I MEAN, THEY DO 1705 00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:30,000 EXTRAORDINARY WORK WHERE THEY 1706 00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:31,000 CHECK EVERYTHING IN ALMOST 1707 00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:33,000 REALTIME, AND THERE'S A STORY UP 1708 00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:35,000 TODAY THAT, BASICALLY, THEY WENT 1709 00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:36,000 OVER AGAIN WHAT DONALD TRUMP SAID. 1710 00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:37,000 HE SAID THAT I WAS AGAINST THE 1711 00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:39,000 WAR FROM THE BEGINNING BUT, IN 1712 00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:41,000 FACT, EVERY FACT CHECK HAS SAID 1713 00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:42,000 THAT'S NOT THE CASE, THAT HE 1714 00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:43,000 SAID ON HOWARD STERN THAT -- HE 1715 00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:45,000 DIDN'T SAY HE WAS AGAINST THE 1716 00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:46,000 WAR AT THAT TIME. 1717 00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:48,000 SO EVERYTHING TIME THAT 1718 00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:50,000 STATEMENT'S MADE -- EVERY TIME 1719 00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:51,000 THE STATEMENT'S MADE, THE FACT 1720 00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:53,000 CHECKER PUTS SOMETHING OUT TO 1721 00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:54,000 SAY, NO, THAT'S NOT THE CASE. 1722 00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:56,000 >> ALL THE WAY IN THE BACK. 1723 00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:57,000 >> DO YOU THINK HE MEANS WHAT HE 1724 00:58:57,000 --> 00:58:59,000 SAYS, OR IS IT ALL JUST PART OF 1725 00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:01,000 THE SHOW? 1726 00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:03,000 >> IT DEPENDS WHAT HE'S SAYING. 1727 00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:05,000 [LAUGHTER] 1728 00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:06,000 I MEAN, IT'S HARD TO BELIEVE 1729 00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:08,000 SOMETIMES WHEN TALKING TO HIM 1730 00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:09,000 THAT HE ACTUALLY MEANS WHAT HE SAYS. 1731 00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:12,000 >> I THINK IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT 1732 00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:13,000 TO NOTE THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S 1733 00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:15,000 AN ACCURACY QUESTION, AND 1734 00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:16,000 THERE'S AN HONESTY QUESTION FOR 1735 00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:18,000 PEOPLE. 1736 00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:20,000 AND SO MANY PEOPLE WHO SUPPORT 1737 00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:23,000 DONALD TRUMP, IT'S NOT SO MUCH 1738 00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:25,000 THE FACTS, BUT IT'S THE GENUINE 1739 00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:27,000 PASSION THAT HE ELICITS WHEN 1740 00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:29,000 HE'S SPEAKING. 1741 00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:30,000 AND BE I THINK THAT'S A VERY 1742 00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:31,000 IMPORTANT DISTINCTION TO MAKE, 1743 00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:33,000 AND IT'S AN IMPORTANT 1744 00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:34,000 DISTINCTION TO ACKNOWLEDGE, THE 1745 00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:36,000 FACT THAT HE GETS UP THERE AND 1746 00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:37,000 HE SAYS SOMETHING THAT ALIGNS 1747 00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:38,000 WITH PEOPLE. 1748 00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:41,000 IT'S AN EMPOWERING FEELING. 1749 00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:43,000 FOR THOSE WHO FEEL THAT THE 1750 00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:45,000 OBAMA YEARS HAVE DISENFRANCHISED 1751 00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:46,000 THEIR IDEAS OF HOW THE COUNTRY 1752 00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:47,000 SHOULD OPERATE AND WHAT A 1753 00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:49,000 POLITICAL LEADER SHOULD BE. 1754 00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:50,000 AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAS 1755 00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:55,000 BEEN SO IMPORTANT FOR HIS 1756 00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:57,000 CANDIDACY IS THAT SKILL IS ONE 1757 00:59:57,000 --> 00:59:58,000 SKILL THAT HILLARY CLINTON HAS 1758 00:59:58,000 --> 00:59:59,000 ACKNOWLEDGED THAT SHE REALLY 1759 00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:00,000 STRUGGLES WITH. 1760 01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:02,000 AND SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, WHEN 1761 01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:04,000 WE TALK ABOUT THIS GENUINE 1762 01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:05,000 QUESTION, I THINK A LOT OF 1763 01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:07,000 VOTERS ARE WONDERING WHETHER OR 1764 01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:09,000 NOT THE PERSON IS, THE 1765 01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:10,000 CANDIDATES ARE GENUINELY 1766 01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:12,000 LISTENING TO THEM. 1767 01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:15,000 AND ON THAT FRONT, DONALD TRUMP 1768 01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:17,000 IS. 1769 01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:21,000 >> YES. 1770 01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:25,000 >> I AM, I AM IMRESTED WITH HOW 1771 01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:26,000 MANY OF OUR INSTITUTIONS ARE 1772 01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:30,000 BEING PRIVATIZED. 1773 01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:33,000 AND I SEE THIS AS POTENTIALLY 1774 01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:38,000 GIVING OTHER PEOPLE WHO HAVE 1775 01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:41,000 ASPIRATIONS TO ENTER INTO A 1776 01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:44,000 POWER STRUCTURE THE CHANCE. 1777 01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:46,000 ARE WE, ARE WE LOOKING TO A DAY 1778 01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:50,000 WHEN WE'RE GOING TO PROFIT FROM 1779 01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:53,000 MANY OF TRUMP'S SPAWN IN OUR 1780 01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:57,000 POLITICAL SYSTEM? 1781 01:00:57,000 --> 01:00:58,000 [LAUGHTER] 1782 01:00:58,000 --> 01:01:00,000 >> I DON'T KNOW WHERE TO START. 1783 01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:02,000 I THINK, YOU KNOW, I'M OUT 1784 01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:03,000 THERE, I'M TALKING TO VOTERS A 1785 01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:06,000 LOT. 1786 01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:08,000 AND I THINK IN SOME SENSES, YES. 1787 01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:11,000 I MEAN, I THINK PEOPLE HAVE BEEN 1788 01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:12,000 DRAWN, I MEAN, IT SEEMS SO FAR 1789 01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:14,000 AGO BUT, YOU KNOW, SIX MONTHS 1790 01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:15,000 AGO EVERYONE WAS TALKING ABOUT 1791 01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:17,000 BERNIE SANDERS AND THE IMPACT 1792 01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:19,000 THAT HE WAS HAVING ON THE 1793 01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:21,000 DEMOCRATIC PARTY AND THAT PROCESS. 1794 01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:23,000 AND WE'RE SEEING A LOT OF 1795 01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:24,000 DIFFERENT TYPES OF VOICES ENTER 1796 01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:25,000 INTO THE STANDARD TWO-PARTY 1797 01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:27,000 SYSTEM. 1798 01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:28,000 AND THAT WILL INEVITABLY CHANGE 1799 01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:30,000 WHO PEOPLE PICK AND HOW THEY 1800 01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:31,000 PERFORM IN TERMS OF WHEN THEY'RE 1801 01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:34,000 TRYING TO WIN VOTES. 1802 01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:37,000 >> YES, SIR. 1803 01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:40,000 >> HOW DID -- THE THING THAT 1804 01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:42,000 I'VE BEEN PONDERING IS, BUILDING 1805 01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:44,000 ON THIS OTHER QUESTION, A LOT OF 1806 01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:46,000 PEOPLE SEEM TO SAY, WELL, 1807 01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:47,000 HE'S -- THERE'S CHECKS AND 1808 01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:49,000 BALANCES, HE'S NOT REALLY GOING 1809 01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:50,000 TO DO WHAT HE SAYS HE'S GOING TO 1810 01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:51,000 DO. 1811 01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:54,000 WHAT REASON DO WE REALLY THINK 1812 01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:56,000 WITH THE FORCES THAT HE'S 1813 01:01:56,000 --> 01:01:59,000 UNLEASHED AND THE LEGITIMACY BY 1814 01:01:59,000 --> 01:02:03,000 THE ATTENTION GIVEN TO SOME OF 1815 01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:04,000 THE RACISM AND BIGOTRY AND 1816 01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:05,000 THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT FORCES 1817 01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:06,000 HAVE BEEN UNLEASHED IN OUR 1818 01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:08,000 SOCIETY THAT THE CHECKS AND 1819 01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:10,000 BALANCES WE THINK EXIST MAYBE 1820 01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:11,000 WON'T EXIST? 1821 01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:13,000 AND I GET REALLY TROUBLED, FOR 1822 01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:15,000 INSTANCE, WHEN YOU SEE FORMER 1823 01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:17,000 MEMBERS OF SENIOR OFFICERS ON 1824 01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:19,000 BOTH SIDES GETTING INVOLVED, AND 1825 01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:20,000 IT JUST -- I WONDER WHAT KIND 1826 01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:25,000 OF, AT WHAT POINT DO WE BECOME 1827 01:02:25,000 --> 01:02:26,000 CLOSE TO A BANANA REPUBLIC? 1828 01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:30,000 YOU KNOW? 1829 01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:31,000 AT WHAT POINT DO, ARE WE BEING 1830 01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:32,000 TOO -- SAY, WELL, HE REALLY 1831 01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:34,000 DOESN'T MEAN IT. 1832 01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:36,000 DOES IT REALLY MATTER IF HE 1833 01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:37,000 DOESN'T REALLY MEAN IT IF HE'S 1834 01:02:37,000 --> 01:02:38,000 REALLY ABOUT POWER AND THE 1835 01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:41,000 FORCES THAT HE'S UNLEASHED 1836 01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:43,000 BECOME BIGGER THAN HIM AND YOU 1837 01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:44,000 HAVE LIKE THE ESSAY OR OUT THERE 1838 01:02:44,000 --> 01:02:46,000 OR -- 1839 01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:47,000 >> I'VE HEARD THIS SO MANY TIMES. 1840 01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:48,000 YOU KNOW, IT'S REALLY JUST THE 1841 01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:49,000 PRESIDENCY. 1842 01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:50,000 [LAUGHTER] 1843 01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:52,000 I MEAN, AND THEY'RE NOT KIDDING. 1844 01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:54,000 THEY SAY LOOK AT WASHINGTON. 1845 01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:55,000 I MEAN, THERE'S CONGRESS, REALLY 1846 01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:56,000 NOT MUCH GETS DONE. 1847 01:02:56,000 --> 01:02:58,000 IT'S THE IMAGE. 1848 01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:02,000 HE'S A STRONG GUY AND, NUMBER 1849 01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:04,000 TWO, HE'S NOT THE SAME OLD THING. 1850 01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:06,000 SO THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE ELECTING. 1851 01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:08,000 AND FOR SOME AMAZING REASON, SO 1852 01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:09,000 WE STARTED WRITING A STORY 1853 01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:10,000 ABOUT, ACTUALLY, THE PRESIDENT 1854 01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:13,000 HAS A LOT OF POWER. 1855 01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:14,000 I MEAN, IT SEEMS SO OBVIOUS TO. 1856 01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:15,000 [LAUGHTER] 1857 01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:16,000 YOU COULD GET US INTO A LOT OF 1858 01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:17,000 TROUBLE VERY QUICKLY. 1859 01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:19,000 [LAUGHTER] 1860 01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:20,000 AND WE SHOULD KEEP WRITING THAT, 1861 01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:21,000 BECAUSE THAT SENTIMENT IS OUT 1862 01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:22,000 THERE. 1863 01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:23,000 AND EVEN MORE THAN THAT, YOU 1864 01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:24,000 KNOW, YOU'LL TALK TO PEOPLE AND 1865 01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:26,000 YOU'LL SAY, WELL, YOU SUPPORT 1866 01:03:26,000 --> 01:03:28,000 THE MUSLIM BAN. 1867 01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:29,000 BUT DO -- HOW DOES THAT WORK 1868 01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:30,000 EXACTLY? 1869 01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:31,000 AND THEN YOU STARTED TALKING 1870 01:03:31,000 --> 01:03:34,000 ABOUT MONEY AND THE WORK. 1871 01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:35,000 YOU KNOW, WE DON'T REALLY THINK 1872 01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:36,000 HE'S GOING TO DO THAT, IT'S MORE 1873 01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:37,000 LIKE HE'S GOING TO BE STRONG 1874 01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:39,000 AGAINST IT, AND HE'LL BE 1875 01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:41,000 THINKING ABOUT HE WANTS TO KEEP 1876 01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:42,000 THAT. 1877 01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:45,000 THE SAME WITH THE WALL. 1878 01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:46,000 WAIT A MINUTE, IT'S 2,000 MILES. 1879 01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:48,000 HOW MUCH MONEY WOULD THAT COST? 1880 01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:50,000 AND AGAIN -- SO HE'S GETTING THE 1881 01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:51,000 BENEFIT OF IT BECAUSE PEOPLE 1882 01:03:51,000 --> 01:03:53,000 WANT HIM TO SAY IT, THEY SHOUT 1883 01:03:53,000 --> 01:03:55,000 IT AT RAFTERS, AND YET THEY'RE 1884 01:03:55,000 --> 01:03:56,000 LIKE, OH, WE DON'T REALLY EXPECT 1885 01:03:56,000 --> 01:03:57,000 HE'S GOING TO BUILD IT. 1886 01:03:57,000 --> 01:03:59,000 IT'S THE SENTIMENT. 1887 01:03:59,000 --> 01:04:01,000 IT'S THAT HE WANTS TO. 1888 01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:05,000 IT'S THAT HE'S TELLING US I HEAR 1889 01:04:05,000 --> 01:04:06,000 YOU, YOU'RE FED UP WITH ALL THE 1890 01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:08,000 IMMIGRATION AND A LOT OF PEOPLE 1891 01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:09,000 WHO THINK THAT NAFTA WAS BAD, 1892 01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:11,000 TOOK THEIR JOBS. 1893 01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:15,000 SO HE'S JUST BETTER THAN HIS TO 1894 01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:16,000 OBJECT KIND OF CONNECTING WITH 1895 01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:18,000 PEOPLE THROUGH TV. 1896 01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:20,000 >> THERE'S ANOTHER ASPECT TO 1897 01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:21,000 YOUR QUESTION, AND IT COMES FROM 1898 01:04:21,000 --> 01:04:24,000 THE WORD "UNLEASHED." 1899 01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:26,000 I'VE HAD THIS IN THE BACK OF MY 1900 01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:28,000 MIND FOR A LONG TIME BEFORE THE 1901 01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:31,000 ELECTION, BUT IT'S REALLY COME 1902 01:04:31,000 --> 01:04:32,000 INTO PLAY IN THE LAST SEVERAL 1903 01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:34,000 MONTHS WHICH IS I THINK WHAT 1904 01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:36,000 WE'RE SEEING NOW HAS BEEN IN 1905 01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:37,000 PLAY, HAS BEEN DEVELOPING AND 1906 01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:40,000 UNFOLDING AND UNPACKING ITSELF 1907 01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:41,000 FOR ABOUT 15 OR 20 YEARS, MAYBE 1908 01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:44,000 25 YEARS. 1909 01:04:44,000 --> 01:04:45,000 AND THE SEPARATION, THE LACK OF 1910 01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:50,000 COMITY IN CONGRESS, THE -- 1911 01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:52,000 IRONICALLY WITH THE RISE OF THE 1912 01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:54,000 INTERNET, WE'VE SEEN A SURGE, A 1913 01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:55,000 DEEPENING OF ANTI-INTELLECTUAL 1914 01:04:55,000 --> 01:04:57,000 BEHAVIOR. 1915 01:04:57,000 --> 01:04:58,000 AND I SORT OF FEEL LIKE IT'S 1916 01:04:58,000 --> 01:05:00,000 COME INTO PLAY ALMOST CRESTING 1917 01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:02,000 NOW WITH THIS ELECTION. 1918 01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:03,000 AND TO ME, THAT'S THE MORE -- 1919 01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:05,000 THOSE ARE THE UNDERCURRENTS THAT 1920 01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:07,000 ARE MORE TROUBLING BECAUSE IT'S 1921 01:05:07,000 --> 01:05:09,000 NOT WHO GETS ELECTED PRESIDENT 1922 01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:12,000 NECESSARILY, IT'S DEEPER TRENDS 1923 01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:15,000 IN OUR SOCIETY WHICH I SUSPECT 1924 01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:16,000 WE'LL BE EXPLORING AFTER THE 1925 01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:17,000 ELECTION, BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT 1926 01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:19,000 GOING TO GO AWAY IMMEDIATELY. 1927 01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:21,000 >> I WOULD JUST ADD ONE 1928 01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:23,000 CAUTIONARY NOTE BECAUSE THERE'S 1929 01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:26,000 AN ASSUMPTION OFTEN AMONG TRUMP 1930 01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:28,000 OPPONENTS THAT THE RALLIES ARE 1931 01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:31,000 THESE GATHERINGS OF EXTREMISTS 1932 01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:32,000 AND RACISTS AND SO ON, AND IT'S 1933 01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:34,000 JUST NOT THE CASE. 1934 01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:35,000 THERE ARE CRAZIES AT HIS 1935 01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:37,000 RALLIES, TO BE SURE. 1936 01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:39,000 THERE ARE EXTREMISTS. 1937 01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:43,000 BUT THERE ARE ALSO A LOT OF -- I 1938 01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:44,000 DID A STORY A FEW WEEKS AGO 1939 01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:45,000 ABOUT OBAMA/TRUMP VOTERS, AND 1940 01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:47,000 THERE ARE A LOT OF THEM. 1941 01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:48,000 AND THESE ARE THE HOPE AND 1942 01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:51,000 CHANGE VOTERS, AND THESE ARE 1943 01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:52,000 PEOPLE WHO SAW IN BARACK OBAMA 1944 01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:55,000 SOMEONE WHO HEARD EXACTLY THE 1945 01:05:55,000 --> 01:05:57,000 KINDS OF THINGS THAT ROBERT AND 1946 01:05:57,000 --> 01:05:59,000 BOB MENTIONED AND TOOK THAT TO 1947 01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:02,000 HEART AND REFLECTED WHAT THE 1948 01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:03,000 FRUSTRATIONS AND TROUBLES THAT 1949 01:06:03,000 --> 01:06:04,000 PEOPLE WERE GOING THROUGH. 1950 01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:06,000 AND A LOT OF THOSE SAME PEOPLE 1951 01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:07,000 SEE THAT IN DONALD TRUMP, AND 1952 01:06:07,000 --> 01:06:09,000 THOSE ARE NOT EXTREMISTS. 1953 01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:10,000 SO WE HAVE TIME FOR JUST ONE 1954 01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:11,000 LAST QUESTION. 1955 01:06:11,000 --> 01:06:16,000 YES, MA'AM. 1956 01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:19,000 >> [INAUDIBLE] 1957 01:06:19,000 --> 01:06:22,000 DO YOU THINK TRUMP 1958 01:06:22,000 --> 01:06:23,000 APPRECIATES -- [INAUDIBLE] 1959 01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:25,000 THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE 1960 01:06:25,000 --> 01:06:27,000 PRESIDENCY AND THINKS ABOUT HIS 1961 01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:29,000 OWN SKILLS VIS-A-VIS THOSE 1962 01:06:29,000 --> 01:06:31,000 REQUIREMENTS? 1963 01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:32,000 >> HE KNOWS HE'S GOOD AT 1964 01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:33,000 EVERYTHING. 1965 01:06:33,000 --> 01:06:35,000 [LAUGHER] >> YEAH. 1966 01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:37,000 >> I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT HE WAS -- 1967 01:06:37,000 --> 01:06:39,000 I MEAN, HE WOULD SAY THAT. 1968 01:06:39,000 --> 01:06:40,000 AND PEOPLE RESPOND TO HIS 1969 01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:42,000 CONFIDENCE. 1970 01:06:42,000 --> 01:06:44,000 HE HAS SAID THAT HE WILL GET 1971 01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:47,000 REALLY SMART PEOPLE AROUND HIM 1972 01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:48,000 AND, I MEAN, IT'S ALL ABOUT THE 1973 01:06:48,000 --> 01:06:50,000 CONFIDENCE. 1974 01:06:50,000 --> 01:06:52,000 AND HE IS NOT, I MEAN, HE HAS 1975 01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:53,000 NOT SAID, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS 1976 01:06:53,000 --> 01:06:55,000 ALEPPO YET. [LAUGHTER] 1977 01:06:55,000 --> 01:06:57,000 >> BUT WE DID LEARN THAT HE 1978 01:06:57,000 --> 01:06:59,000 WOULD HAVE CAUGHT OSAMA bin 1979 01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:00,000 LADEN BEFORE 9/11 TODAY. 1980 01:07:00,000 --> 01:07:02,000 [LAUGHTER] 1981 01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:04,000 >> I THINK, I THINK THE UNDERCUT 1982 01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:06,000 OF YOUR QUESTION'S A REALLY 1983 01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:08,000 IMPORTANT THING TO EXPLORE. 1984 01:07:08,000 --> 01:07:10,000 AND THROUGHOUT THIS COUNTRY I 1985 01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:11,000 THINK THERE'S A BIG DEBATE OVER 1986 01:07:11,000 --> 01:07:12,000 WHAT IS THE REQUIREMENT FOR A 1987 01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:13,000 PRESIDENT, RIGHT? 1988 01:07:13,000 --> 01:07:18,000 AND FOR DONALD TRUMP, HE SAID 1989 01:07:18,000 --> 01:07:20,000 WHAT THE REQUIREMENT WAS 30 1990 01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:21,000 YEARS AGO, AND HE REITERATED IT 1991 01:07:21,000 --> 01:07:24,000 20 YEARS AGO. 1992 01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:26,000 AND THAT WAS A PERSON WHO COULD 1993 01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:29,000 REINVIGORATE THE SPIRIT OF 1994 01:07:29,000 --> 01:07:30,000 AMERICA WHO HAS BOLDNESS AND 1995 01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:33,000 POMPOSITY. THOSE ARE HIS WORDS. 1996 01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:34,000 AND SO DOES HE FIT, THINK HE 1997 01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:35,000 FITS THE REQUIREMENT? 1998 01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:36,000 ABSOLUTELY. 1999 01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:38,000 I THINK, I MEAN, THE QUESTION IS 2000 01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:41,000 A SORT OF VALUES QUESTION ON 2001 01:07:41,000 --> 01:07:42,000 WHAT THE PRESIDENCY SHOULD BE. 2002 01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:44,000 AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S 2003 01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:46,000 WHERE THINGS GET INTERESTING. 2004 01:07:46,000 --> 01:07:48,000 >> I THINK IT'S REMARKABLE WITH 2005 01:07:48,000 --> 01:07:49,000 TRUMP, HE'S ALWAYS HAD THIS VERY 2006 01:07:49,000 --> 01:07:50,000 SMALL CIRCLE OF PEOPLE HE CAN 2007 01:07:50,000 --> 01:07:52,000 REALLY RELY ON. 2008 01:07:52,000 --> 01:07:53,000 THERE ARE USUALLY A COUPLE 2009 01:07:53,000 --> 01:07:55,000 FAMILY MEMBERS W. THE CASINO 2010 01:07:55,000 --> 01:07:57,000 THERE WERE ONE OR TWO PEOPLE, 2011 01:07:57,000 --> 01:07:58,000 LIKE I MENTIONED, WHO DIED THIS 2012 01:07:58,000 --> 01:08:00,000 THAT HELICOPTER CRASH. 2013 01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:02,000 AND TIME AND TIME AGAIN YOU SEE 2014 01:08:02,000 --> 01:08:03,000 THERE'S ONE OR TWO VITAL PERSONS 2015 01:08:03,000 --> 01:08:04,000 WHO CAN REALLY TELL HIM WHAT TO 2016 01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:05,000 DO. 2017 01:08:05,000 --> 01:08:06,000 HE DOES PREFER HAVING AN ACT 2018 01:08:06,000 --> 01:08:08,000 LITE. 2019 01:08:08,000 --> 01:08:10,000 HE DOESN'T LIKE TO BE TOLD HE'S 2020 01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:12,000 WRONG, SO OFTEN TIMES YOU SEE PEOPLE BEING FIRED. 2021 01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:13,000 HE'S GONE THROUGH TWO CAMPAIGN 2022 01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:14,000 MANAGERS ALREADY. 2023 01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:15,000 SO THAT WOULD BE A BIG QUESTION 2024 01:08:15,000 --> 01:08:16,000 FOR HIM. 2025 01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:18,000 AS PRESIDENT, HE WOULD HAVE TO 2026 01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:19,000 TACKLE MANY, MANY ISSUES THAT HE 2027 01:08:19,000 --> 01:08:21,000 DOESN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT. 2028 01:08:21,000 --> 01:08:22,000 AND WOULD HE RELY ON THAT 2029 01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:23,000 ADVICE? 2030 01:08:23,000 --> 01:08:24,000 HOW WOULD HE ORGANIZE AND 2031 01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:25,000 SYNTHESIZE THAT? 2032 01:08:25,000 --> 01:08:26,000 I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE BIG 2033 01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:28,000 QUESTIONS. 2034 01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:32,000 >> HE TALKS ABOUT GETTING THINGS 2035 01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:34,000 DONE THE BEST WAY IS AN ARMY OF ONE. 2036 01:08:34,000 --> 01:08:35,000 AND IT'S VERY HARD TO RUN THE 2037 01:08:35,000 --> 01:08:37,000 COUNTRY WITH JUST ONE PERSON: 2038 01:08:37,000 --> 01:08:38,000 HILLARY CLINTON HAS, I MEAN, 2039 01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:40,000 IT'S POLAR OPPOSITE. 2040 01:08:40,000 --> 01:08:41,000 SHE'S HAD ALL THIS EXPERIENCE IN 2041 01:08:41,000 --> 01:08:42,000 GOVERNMENT, AND HE IS CERTAINLY 2042 01:08:42,000 --> 01:08:45,000 GOING TO ANSWER THIS AND SAY 2043 01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:46,000 THAT HE HAS THE TEMPERAMENT, 2044 01:08:46,000 --> 01:08:48,000 HE'S SHOWN THROUGH HIS 2045 01:08:48,000 --> 01:08:50,000 BUSINESSES AND HE HAS THE 2046 01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:52,000 CONFIDENCE TO GET THE RIGHT PEOPLE AROUND HIM. 2047 01:08:52,000 --> 01:08:53,000 >> IF HE'S RIGHT, HE'LL 2048 01:08:53,000 --> 01:08:56,000 COMPLETELY REDEFINE WHAT IT 2049 01:08:56,000 --> 01:08:58,000 MEANS TO BE PRESIDENT GIVEN HIS 2050 01:08:58,000 --> 01:09:00,000 BIOGRAPHY, HIS TRACK RECORD, HIS 2051 01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:01,000 LACK OF EXPERIENCE IN THE PUBLIC 2052 01:09:01,000 --> 01:09:03,000 LIFE. 2053 01:09:03,000 --> 01:09:05,000 IF HE'S RIGHT, HE'LL BE THE 2054 01:09:05,000 --> 01:09:07,000 FIRST PERSON TO COME THIS FAR IN 2055 01:09:07,000 --> 01:09:09,000 AN ELECTION -- HE IS FIRST 2056 01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:10,000 PERSON TO COME THIS FAR IN AN 2057 01:09:10,000 --> 01:09:11,000 ELECTION CAMPAIGN. 2058 01:09:11,000 --> 01:09:12,000 AND IF HE'S ELECTED, HE'LL BREAK 2059 01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:15,000 ALL THE MOLDS. 2060 01:09:15,000 --> 01:09:16,000 >> AND HE HAS A READY ANSWER FOR 2061 01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:19,000 YOUR QUESTION WHICH IS WHEN 2062 01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:20,000 THINGS GO RIGHT, HE WAS FULLY 2063 01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:21,000 PREPARED, HE KNEW WHAT TO DO, 2064 01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:23,000 AND HE TAKES ALL THE CREDIT. 2065 01:09:23,000 --> 01:09:26,000 AND WHEN THINGS GO WRONG -- AND 2066 01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:27,000 WE SHOW THIS IN VARIOUS STAGES 2067 01:09:27,000 --> 01:09:28,000 THROUGHOUT HIS CAREER -- WHEN 2068 01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:29,000 THINGS GO WRONG, THE SYSTEM IS 2069 01:09:29,000 --> 01:09:30,000 RIGGED. 2070 01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:32,000 AND WE'VE HEARD THESE WORDS FROM 2071 01:09:32,000 --> 01:09:35,000 HIM IN RECENT WEEKS X. THAT IS 2072 01:09:35,000 --> 01:09:36,000 EXACTLY THE FRAYS THAT HE USE -- 2073 01:09:36,000 --> 01:09:38,000 PHRASE THAT HE USES THROUGHOUT 2074 01:09:38,000 --> 01:09:40,000 HIS LIFE WHEN HE'S FACED WITH TROUBLES OR FAILURE. 2075 01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:42,000 SO WHEN WE HEAR THAT NOW, YOU 2076 01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:43,000 CAN SORT OF SEE THE GEARS MOVING 2077 01:09:43,000 --> 01:09:45,000 AND, YOU KNOW, HE'S NOT 2078 01:09:45,000 --> 01:09:46,000 OBLIVIOUS TO HIS POSITION IN THE 2079 01:09:46,000 --> 01:09:49,000 POLLS, AND SO HE'S PREPARING 2080 01:09:49,000 --> 01:09:51,000 HIMSELF AND ALL OF US FOR THE 2081 01:09:51,000 --> 01:09:52,000 MESSAGE THAT HE WILL HAVE IF HE 2082 01:09:52,000 --> 01:09:54,000 LOSES. 2083 01:09:54,000 --> 01:09:56,000 SO I THINK WE HAVE TO LEAVE IT 2084 01:09:56,000 --> 01:09:57,000 THERE, BUT THANKS SO MUCH FOR 2085 01:09:57,000 --> 01:09:58,000 COMING OUT -- 2086 01:09:58,000 --> 01:10:03,000 [APPLAUSE] 2087 01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:13,000 [INAUDIBLE CONVERSATIONS] 2088 01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:14,000 >> PRESIDENT-ELECT DONALD TRUMP 2089 01:10:14,000 --> 01:10:16,000 WILL SOON BEGIN THE TRANSITION 2090 01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:18,000 OF POWER BETWEEN HIS 2091 01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:19,000 ADMINISTRATION AND PRESIDENT 2092 01:10:19,000 --> 01:10:20,000 OBAMA'S. 2093 01:10:20,000 --> 01:10:24,000 IN "BEFORE THE OATH," MARTHA 2094 01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:25,000 KUMAR REPORTS ON THE TRANSFER OF 2095 01:10:25,000 --> 01:10:26,000 POWER BETWEEN PRESIDENTS BUSH 2096 01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:30,000 AND OBAMA. 2097 01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:32,000 >> Host: PROFESSOR KUMAR, 2098 01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:33,000 WELCOME TO "AFTER WORDS." 2099 01:10:33,000 --> 01:10:35,000 I'M DELIGHTED TO BE HERE WITH 2100 01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:37,000 YOU AND ANXIOUS TO HEAR MUCH 2101 01:10:37,000 --> 01:10:39,000 MORE ABOUT YOUR BOOK, "BEFORE 2102 01:10:39,000 --> 01:10:41,000 THE OATH: TRANSITION OF GEORGE 2103 01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:43,000 W. BUSH AND BARACK OBAMA AND HOW 2104 01:10:43,000 --> 01:10:44,000 THEY MANAGED A TRANSITION TO 2105 01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:46,000 POWER." 2106 01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:47,000 CERTAINLY, THIS TRANSITION 2107 01:10:47,000 --> 01:10:50,000 PERIOD IS AN IMPORTANT PERIOD 2108 01:10:50,000 --> 01:10:52,000 NOT REAL WELL KNOWN BY THE BROAD 2109 01:10:52,000 --> 01:10:54,000 PUBLIC, AND YOU PULL BACK THE 2110 01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:55,000 CURTAIN ON THE INNER WORKINGS OF 2111 01:10:55,000 --> 01:10:57,000 THIS PARTICULAR TRANSITION AND 2112 01:10:57,000 --> 01:10:58,000 REFER TO IT AS A MODEL AND A 2113 01:10:58,000 --> 01:11:00,000 TEMPLATE. 2114 01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:01,000 AND I WAS STRUCK BY A NUMBER OF 2115 01:11:01,000 --> 01:11:03,000 REVELATIONS WHICH WE'LL GET INTO 2116 01:11:03,000 --> 01:11:04,000 INCLUDING THE LEVEL OF 2117 01:11:04,000 --> 01:11:06,000 COOPERATION AND TRUST. 2118 01:11:06,000 --> 01:11:08,000 >> Guest: YEAH. 2119 01:11:08,000 --> 01:11:09,000 >> Host: BUT BEFORE WE DO THAT, 2120 01:11:09,000 --> 01:11:10,000 LET'S START WITH KIND OF A 2121 01:11:10,000 --> 01:11:11,000 HOLLYWOOD THRILLER. 2122 01:11:11,000 --> 01:11:12,000 [LAUGHTER] 2123 01:11:12,000 --> 01:11:14,000 LET'S GO STRAIGHT TO THE 2124 01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:15,000 INAUGURAL THAT WAS ALMOST 2125 01:11:15,000 --> 01:11:16,000 COMPLICATED OR MAYBE EVEN 2126 01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:17,000 POSTPONED WITH THE TERRORIST 2127 01:11:17,000 --> 01:11:18,000 THREAT. 2128 01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:21,000 SO JUST WHAT WAS THAT THREAT AND 2129 01:11:21,000 --> 01:11:22,000 HOW DID THE BUSH AND OBAMA TEAMS 2130 01:11:22,000 --> 01:11:23,000 DEAL WITH IT? 2131 01:11:23,000 --> 01:11:24,000 >> Guest: OKAY. 2132 01:11:24,000 --> 01:11:27,000 WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR 2133 01:11:27,000 --> 01:11:29,000 BEING HERE AND FOR TALKING WITH 2134 01:11:29,000 --> 01:11:31,000 ME ABOUT THE BOOK. 2135 01:11:31,000 --> 01:11:34,000 WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE FRONT OF 2136 01:11:34,000 --> 01:11:37,000 THE COVER OF THE BOOK HERE AND 2137 01:11:37,000 --> 01:11:39,000 YOU SEE BUSH AND OBAMA, BOTH OF 2138 01:11:39,000 --> 01:11:40,000 THEM ACTUALLY LOOKING PRETTY 2139 01:11:40,000 --> 01:11:41,000 SERIOUS AND GRIM -- 2140 01:11:41,000 --> 01:11:42,000 >> Host: THEY ARE. 2141 01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:44,000 >> Guest: AND THEY HAD WALKED 2142 01:11:44,000 --> 01:11:46,000 OUT OF THE BLUE ROOM WHERE THEY 2143 01:11:46,000 --> 01:11:49,000 HAD HAD THE TRADITIONAL COFFEE 2144 01:11:49,000 --> 01:11:54,000 WHERE THE PRESIDENT-ELECT AND 2145 01:11:54,000 --> 01:11:59,000 FIRST LADY TO BE COME IN TO BE 2146 01:12:01,000 --> 01:12:02,000 HOSTED BY THE SITTING PRESIDENT. 2147 01:12:02,000 --> 01:12:03,000 AND THE VICE PRESIDENTS ON BOTH 2148 01:12:03,000 --> 01:12:05,000 SIDES TOO. 2149 01:12:05,000 --> 01:12:09,000 SO WHILE THEY WERE THERE 2150 01:12:09,000 --> 01:12:11,000 DISCUSSING WHATEVER OF THE DAY'S 2151 01:12:11,000 --> 01:12:13,000 ACTIVITIES AHEAD, THEY WERE 2152 01:12:13,000 --> 01:12:15,000 TALKING ABOUT IN THE SITUATION 2153 01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:17,000 ROOM THERE WAS A MEETING ABOUT A 2154 01:12:17,000 --> 01:12:19,000 THREAT ON THE INAUGURATION THAT 2155 01:12:19,000 --> 01:12:22,000 HAD COME UP OVER THE WEEKEND. 2156 01:12:22,000 --> 01:12:24,000 THERE WAS A THREAT OF A 2157 01:12:24,000 --> 01:12:26,000 TERRORIST ATTACK ON THE 2158 01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:29,000 INAUGURATION. 2159 01:12:29,000 --> 01:12:32,000 PROBABLY NOT CLOSE TO THE PODIUM 2160 01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:33,000 ITSELF, BUT FARTHER BACK AND THE 2161 01:12:33,000 --> 01:12:36,000 ASSUMPTION WAS THAT THERE WOULD 2162 01:12:36,000 --> 01:12:38,000 BE POSSIBLY PEOPLE KILLED. 2163 01:12:38,000 --> 01:12:39,000 AND SO IT WAS SOMETHING OF GREAT 2164 01:12:39,000 --> 01:12:40,000 CONCERN. 2165 01:12:40,000 --> 01:12:42,000 >> Host: VERY SERIOUS. 2166 01:12:42,000 --> 01:12:43,000 >> Guest: TO THE INTELLIGENCE 2167 01:12:43,000 --> 01:12:44,000 COMMUNITY, THE SECURITY 2168 01:12:44,000 --> 01:12:47,000 COMMUNITY. 2169 01:12:47,000 --> 01:12:50,000 AND SO WHAT THEY, AND WHAT THEY 2170 01:12:50,000 --> 01:12:52,000 DID WAS BRING EVERYONE TOGETHER 2171 01:12:52,000 --> 01:12:57,000 WHO WAS INVOLVED IN SECURITY. 2172 01:12:57,000 --> 01:12:58,000 SO YOU HAD THE CABINET 2173 01:12:58,000 --> 01:13:02,000 SECRETARIES OUTGOING, INCOMING 2174 01:13:02,000 --> 01:13:05,000 LIKE HOMELAND SECURITY AND STATE 2175 01:13:05,000 --> 01:13:08,000 AND DEFENSE, AND THEN NATIONAL 2176 01:13:08,000 --> 01:13:11,000 SECURITY ADVISER AND THEN THE 2177 01:13:11,000 --> 01:13:12,000 INCOMING TERRORISM ADVISER FOR 2178 01:13:12,000 --> 01:13:16,000 PRESIDENT OBAMA. 2179 01:13:16,000 --> 01:13:19,000 AND THEY DISCUSSED THE THREAT 2180 01:13:19,000 --> 01:13:20,000 AND WHAT KINDS OF THINGS SHOULD 2181 01:13:20,000 --> 01:13:23,000 BE DONE. 2182 01:13:23,000 --> 01:13:26,000 AND ONE PERSON WHO WAS IN THE 2183 01:13:26,000 --> 01:13:30,000 MEETING WHO TOLD ME ABOUT IT 2184 01:13:30,000 --> 01:13:32,000 SAID THAT HILLARY CLINTON ASKED -- 2185 01:13:32,000 --> 01:13:33,000 >> Host: FAMILIAR WITH THE 2186 01:13:33,000 --> 01:13:34,000 INAUGURAL CEREMONY -- 2187 01:13:34,000 --> 01:13:37,000 [LAUGHTER] >> Guest: YEAH. 2188 01:13:37,000 --> 01:13:38,000 AND WITH POLITICS AND WITH 2189 01:13:38,000 --> 01:13:42,000 PRESIDENTIAL IMAGE THAT SHE HAD 2190 01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:46,000 THE BEST QUESTION WHICH WAS IS 2191 01:13:46,000 --> 01:13:48,000 THE PRESIDENT GOING TO BE PULLED 2192 01:13:48,000 --> 01:13:50,000 OFF THE PODIUM, I DON'T THINK SO. 2193 01:13:50,000 --> 01:13:53,000 BECAUSE THE OPTICS OF THAT WOULD 2194 01:13:53,000 --> 01:13:55,000 HAVE JUST BEEN TERRIBLE TO 2195 01:13:55,000 --> 01:13:56,000 SHOW -- 2196 01:13:56,000 --> 01:13:57,000 >> Host: YEAH, COULD DISRUPT. 2197 01:13:57,000 --> 01:14:02,000 >> 2198 01:14:02,000 --> 01:14:04,000 >> Guest: -- WHAT A FRAGILE 2199 01:14:04,000 --> 01:14:05,000 SYSTEM WE HAVE THAT WE COULDN'T 2200 01:14:05,000 --> 01:14:08,000 INAUGURATE A PRESIDENT. 2201 01:14:08,000 --> 01:14:09,000 SO THE OBAMA PEOPLE TALKED TO 2202 01:14:09,000 --> 01:14:10,000 HIM. 2203 01:14:10,000 --> 01:14:11,000 BUT THEY HAD FOUND OUT ABOUT IT 2204 01:14:11,000 --> 01:14:13,000 OVER THE WEEKEND. 2205 01:14:13,000 --> 01:14:14,000 AND ONE OF THE -- AN ARTICLE 2206 01:14:14,000 --> 01:14:17,000 THAT I READ, DAVID AXLEROD 2207 01:14:17,000 --> 01:14:19,000 TALKED ABOUT HAVING TALKED TO 2208 01:14:19,000 --> 01:14:24,000 OBAMA ABOUT IT ON SATURDAY. 2209 01:14:24,000 --> 01:14:27,000 AND THAT THEY HAD DECIDED NOT TO 2210 01:14:27,000 --> 01:14:29,000 DO A FINAL RUN-THROUGH OF HIS 2211 01:14:29,000 --> 01:14:32,000 INAUGURAL ADDRESS. 2212 01:14:32,000 --> 01:14:34,000 BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MADE 2213 01:14:34,000 --> 01:14:35,000 THAT WORK WAS THAT BOTH SIDES 2214 01:14:35,000 --> 01:14:36,000 WERE COMFORTABLE -- 2215 01:14:36,000 --> 01:14:37,000 >> Host: YEAH. 2216 01:14:37,000 --> 01:14:40,000 KEY POINT. 2217 01:14:40,000 --> 01:14:42,000 >> Guest: THEY HAD BEEN DEALING 2218 01:14:42,000 --> 01:14:44,000 WITH ONE ANOTHER FOR MONTHS AT A 2219 01:14:44,000 --> 01:14:45,000 A LOWER LEVEL WHERE YOU HAD 2220 01:14:45,000 --> 01:14:47,000 TRANSITION PEOPLE DEALING WITH 2221 01:14:47,000 --> 01:14:48,000 WHITE HOUSE STAFF ON A VARIETY 2222 01:14:48,000 --> 01:14:52,000 OF ISSUES. 2223 01:14:52,000 --> 01:14:57,000 AND THEN PRESIDENT OBAMA, 2224 01:14:57,000 --> 01:14:59,000 PRESIDENT-ELECT NAMED HIS PEOPLE 2225 01:14:59,000 --> 01:15:01,000 EARLY ENOUGH THAT THEY COULD 2226 01:15:01,000 --> 01:15:05,000 WORK TOGETHER WITH THE PEOPLE 2227 01:15:05,000 --> 01:15:07,000 WHO WERE SITTING IN THE OFFICES 2228 01:15:07,000 --> 01:15:09,000 BEFORE THEY LEFT. 2229 01:15:09,000 --> 01:15:10,000 AND SO THEY COULD GET 2230 01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:12,000 INFORMATION ABOUT HOW THINGS 2231 01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:15,000 WORKED. 2232 01:15:15,000 --> 01:15:17,000 AND THAT WAS A REALLY, I THINK, 2233 01:15:17,000 --> 01:15:18,000 AN EXCELLENT PART OF THE 2234 01:15:18,000 --> 01:15:20,000 TRANSITION. 2235 01:15:20,000 --> 01:15:22,000 YOU KNOW, YOU CAN GIVE PEOPLE 2236 01:15:22,000 --> 01:15:25,000 PAPER, GIVE THEM MEMORANDA, BUT 2237 01:15:25,000 --> 01:15:26,000 SITTING DOWN AND TALKING TO THEM 2238 01:15:26,000 --> 01:15:28,000 IS A DIFFERENT THING. 2239 01:15:28,000 --> 01:15:30,000 AND THAT HAPPENED, LIKE, IN THE 2240 01:15:30,000 --> 01:15:34,000 NATIONAL SECURITY COUNCIL, FOR 2241 01:15:34,000 --> 01:15:37,000 EXAMPLE, AFTER GENERAL JONES -- 2242 01:15:37,000 --> 01:15:40,000 >> Host: GENERAL JIM JONES. 2243 01:15:40,000 --> 01:15:41,000 >> Guest: WAS SELECTED AS 2244 01:15:41,000 --> 01:15:43,000 NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER, AND 2245 01:15:43,000 --> 01:15:45,000 HE APPOINTED THE PEOPLE WHO WERE 2246 01:15:45,000 --> 01:15:46,000 THE DIRECTORATES IN THE NATIONAL 2247 01:15:46,000 --> 01:15:47,000 SECURITY COUNCIL, AND THEY 2248 01:15:47,000 --> 01:15:49,000 WORKED TOGETHER WITH THE PEOPLE, 2249 01:15:49,000 --> 01:15:50,000 SIDE BY SIDE WITH THE PEOPLE WHO 2250 01:15:50,000 --> 01:15:52,000 WERE THE OUTGOING. 2251 01:15:52,000 --> 01:15:53,000 AND SO THEY WORKED THERE FOR 2252 01:15:53,000 --> 01:15:55,000 SEVERAL WEEKS. 2253 01:15:55,000 --> 01:15:57,000 AND THE ADVANTAGE THAT HAS IS, 2254 01:15:57,000 --> 01:16:00,000 WELL, YOU CAN TALK ABOUT WHAT'S