1 00:00:00,0 --> 00:00:07,638 PELLEY: PICTURE A BAR GRAPH THAT AVERAGES THE BEST POLITICAL POLLS. 2 00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:10,293 DONALD TRUMP STANDS ABOVE THE CROWDED SKYLINE OF REPUBLICAN CANDIDATES LIKE ONE OF HIS 3 00:00:10,295 --> 00:00:16,683 BOASTFUL BUILDINGS. FIRST IN THE NATION, FIRST IN IOWA, FIRST IN NEW HAMPSHIRE, 4 00:00:16,685 --> 00:00:22,570 AND FIRST FOR THE LAST 11 WEEKS. POLITICAL ARCHITECTS ARE AMAZED BECAUSE TRUMP ROSE ON A SHAKY 5 00:00:22,572 --> 00:00:30,257 FOUNDATION. HIS "SHOOT FROM THE LIP" STYLE MANAGED TO OFFEND WOMEN, 6 00:00:30,259 --> 00:00:35,336 LATINOS, AND AMERICAN P.O.W.S. NOW, WITH SUMMER OVER AND FOUR MONTHS TO IOWA, VOTERS 7 00:00:35,338 --> 00:00:41,268 CAPTIVATED BY A LARGER-THAN-LIFE PERSONALITY BEGIN TO WANT THE FINE DETAILS. 8 00:00:41,270 --> 00:00:47,110 THAT'S WHAT WE WERE LOOKING FOR THIS PAST TUESDAY WHEN WE MET TRUMP, ON TOP, IN HIS FIFTH 9 00:00:47,112 --> 00:00:52,559 AVENUE PENTHOUSE IN MANHATTAN. HE SURPRISED US WITH NEWS ABOUT HIS TAX PLAN. 10 00:00:52,561 --> 00:00:55,432 SO, NOW YOU'VE GOT EVERYBODY'S ATTENTION. DONALD TRUMP: I DO HAVE THEIR 11 00:00:55,434 --> 00:01:03,90 ATTENTION. PELLEY: REVOLUTION IS EASY, GOVERNING IS HARD. 12 00:01:03,92 --> 00:01:04,207 AND WHAT I'D LIKE TO GET TO IS HOW YOU INTEND TO GOVERN THE COUNTRY IF YOU ARE ELECTED 13 00:01:04,209 --> 00:01:07,639 PRESIDENT. WHAT'S YOUR TAX PLAN? TRUMP: IT'S A SUBSTANTIAL 14 00:01:07,641 --> 00:01:10,823 REDUCTION FOR THE MIDDLE-INCOME PEOPLE, BECAUSE OUR MIDDLE CLASS, SCOTT, IS BEING 15 00:01:10,825 --> 00:01:14,386 ABSOLUTELY DECIMATED. IT WILL BE A CORPORATE ALSO REDUCTION. 16 00:01:14,388 --> 00:01:17,220 I THINK IT'LL BE A GREAT INCENTIVE FOR CORPORATIONS. PELLEY: WHO ARE YOU GOING TO 17 00:01:17,222 --> 00:01:22,654 RAISE TAXES ON? TRUMP: IF YOU LOOK AT ACTUALLY RAISE, SOME VERY 18 00:01:22,656 --> 00:01:24,554 WEALTHY ARE GOING TO BE RAISED. SOME PEOPLE THAT ARE GETTING UNFAIR DEDUCTIONS ARE GOING TO 19 00:01:24,556 --> 00:01:29,299 BE RAISED. BUT OVERALL, IT'S GOING TO BE A TREMENDOUS INCENTIVE TO GROW THE 20 00:01:29,301 --> 00:01:34,66 ECONOMY, AND WE'RE GOING TO TAKE IN THE SAME OR MORE MONEY. AND I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE 21 00:01:34,68 --> 00:01:37,40 SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE SPECTACULAR. PELLEY: BUT REPUBLICANS DON'T 22 00:01:37,42 --> 00:01:38,668 RAISE TAXES. TRUMP: WELL, WE'RE NOT RAISING TAXES. 23 00:01:38,670 --> 00:01:40,932 PELLEY: WHAT KIND OF REPUBLICAN ARE YOU? TRUMP: I MEAN, THE ONLY... 24 00:01:40,934 --> 00:01:44,482 WELL, I'M A PRETTY GOOD REPUBLICAN, BUT I WILL TELL YOU THIS-- I DO HAVE SOME 25 00:01:44,484 --> 00:01:48,96 DIFFERENCES. I DON'T WANT TO HAVE CERTAIN PEOPLE ON WALL STREET GETTING 26 00:01:48,98 --> 00:01:49,790 AWAY WITH PAYING NO TAX. PELLEY: YOU SAY YOU'RE GOING TO LOWER TAXES ON THE MIDDLE 27 00:01:49,792 --> 00:01:51,904 CLASS. WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? TRUMP: WELL, WE'RE TALKING 28 00:01:51,906 --> 00:01:54,844 ABOUT NUMBERS THAT WILL BE ANNOUNCED OVER THE NEXT TWO DAYS, AND THEY'LL BE SIGNIFICANT 29 00:01:54,846 --> 00:01:57,511 FOR THE MIDDLE CLASS. PELLEY: DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE NUMBERS ARE? 30 00:01:57,513 --> 00:02:00,390 TRUMP: I KNOW THEM RIGHT NOW. PELLEY: WELL, WHY DON'T YOU TELL ME? 31 00:02:00,392 --> 00:02:03,63 THIS IS "60 MINUTES." IT'S TIME TO TELL THE FOLKS AT HOME THE DETAILS OF WHAT YOU 32 00:02:03,65 --> 00:02:07,196 INTEND TO DO. TRUMP: I KNOW, I KNOW. I WILL SAY THIS-- THERE WILL BE 33 00:02:07,198 --> 00:02:07,127 A LARGE SEGMENT OF OUR COUNTRY THAT WILL HAVE A ZERO RATE, A ZERO RATE. 34 00:02:07,129 --> 00:02:09,33 AND THAT'S SOMETHING I HAVEN'T TOLD ANYBODY. PELLEY: YOU'RE TALKING 35 00:02:09,35 --> 00:02:21,344 ABOUT... TRUMP: WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE IN THE LOW-INCOME 36 00:02:21,346 --> 00:02:21,593 BRACKETS THAT ARE SUPPOSED TO BE PAYING TAXES. MANY OF THEM DON'T ANYWAY. 37 00:02:21,595 --> 00:02:23,400 PELLEY: YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT MAKING PART OF THE POPULATION EXEMPT FROM INCOME TAX. 38 00:02:23,402 --> 00:02:24,722 TRUMP: THAT IS CORRECT. PELLEY: YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT CUTTING CORPORATE INCOME TAXES? 39 00:02:24,724 --> 00:02:28,661 TRUMP: THAT IS CORRECT. PELLEY: BUT THERE'S A $19 TRILLION FEDERAL DEBT. 40 00:02:28,663 --> 00:02:28,397 TRUMP: THAT'S RIGHT. WE'RE GOING TO GROW THE ECONOMY SO MUCH... 41 00:02:28,399 --> 00:02:29,758 PELLEY: YOU CAN'T AFFORD TO DO THOSE THINGS. TRUMP: NO, NO, BUT IF THE 42 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:34,728 ECONOMY GROWS THE WAY IT SHOULD GROW, IF I BRING JOBS BACK FROM CHINA, FROM JAPAN, FROM MEXICO, 43 00:02:34,730 --> 00:02:33,334 FROM SO MANY COUNTRIES; EVERYBODY'S TAKING OUR JOBS. PELLEY: HOW DO YOU GET THEM 44 00:02:33,336 --> 00:02:36,270 BACK... TRUMP: YOU GET THEM BACK... PELLEY: ...THOSE $20 AN HOUR 45 00:02:36,272 --> 00:02:38,205 JOBS THAT THIS COUNTRY WAS BUILT ON? TRUMP: RIGHT. 46 00:02:38,207 --> 00:02:41,7 EXACTLY. YOU GET THEM BACK BY TAKING THEM AWAY FROM OTHER COUNTRIES. 47 00:02:41,9 --> 00:02:49,450 I MEAN, IF YOU LOOK AT CHINA, WE HAVE... PELLEY: HOW DOES THE 48 00:02:49,452 --> 00:02:56,299 PRESIDENT DO THAT? TRUMP: WELL, THE PRESIDENT DOES IT BY NOT ALLOWING PLACES 49 00:02:56,301 --> 00:02:57,555 LIKE CHINA TO DEVALUATE... YOU KNOW, THEY DEVALUE THEIR CURRENCY, SCOTT, TO SUCH AN 50 00:02:57,557 --> 00:03:01,595 EXTENT THAT IT'S IMPOSSIBLE FOR OUR COMPANIES TO COMPETE. EVERY TIME THEY DO THAT, THEY 51 00:03:01,597 --> 00:03:00,50 SUCK THE BLOOD RIGHT OUT OF OUR COUNTRY. PELLEY: YOU'RE NOT RUNNING 52 00:03:00,52 --> 00:03:03,24 FOR PRESIDENT OF CHINA. TRUMP: NO, I'M RUNNING... PELLEY: YOU'RE NOT GOING TO 53 00:03:03,26 --> 00:03:09,278 BE ABLE TO PREVENT THE DEVALUATION OF THEIR CURRENCY. TRUMP: OH, ABSOLUTELY. 54 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:09,557 SURE YOU ARE, SURE YOU ARE. LOOK, THEY DON'T RESPECT OUR PRESIDENT, THEY DON'T RESPECT 55 00:03:09,559 --> 00:03:14,675 OUR COUNTRY. THEY WILL RESPECT ME. THEY WON'T BE DOING IT, BUT 56 00:03:14,677 --> 00:03:18,928 HERE'S WHAT WE HAVE TO DO-- IF THEY DON'T COME TO THE TABLE, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A TAX WHEN 57 00:03:18,930 --> 00:03:24,994 THEY PUT THEIR PRODUCTS INTO THIS COUNTRY. AND THEY'RE GOING TO BEHAVE. 58 00:03:24,996 --> 00:03:28,713 PELLEY: SO, YOU WOULD TAX THEIR... TRUMP: I WOULD. 59 00:03:28,715 --> 00:03:30,306 PELLEY: ...PRODUCTS COMING INTO THE UNITED STATES. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A TRADE 60 00:03:30,308 --> 00:03:34,81 WAR. TRUMP: I DON'T WANT TO SAY TAX ANYTHING. 61 00:03:34,83 --> 00:03:33,373 I'M TALKING ABOUT A FAIR WAR. I'M TALKING ABOUT ALSO, I HAVE THE SMARTEST PEOPLE ON WALL 62 00:03:33,375 --> 00:03:36,703 STREET LINED UP ALREADY. THEY'RE GOING TO REPRESENT US ON JAPAN, ON MEXICO. 63 00:03:36,705 --> 00:03:37,649 MEXICO, BY THE WAY, IS TAKING OUR JOBS. I LOVE THE MEXICAN PEOPLE. 64 00:03:37,651 --> 00:03:41,681 THEY'RE GREAT PEOPLE. BUT THE LEADERSHIP IS TOO SMART FOR OUR COUNTRY. 65 00:03:41,683 --> 00:03:49,189 FORD MOTOR COMPANY, MOVING A $2.5 BILLION PLANT TO MEXICO. MEXICO... 66 00:03:49,191 --> 00:03:48,178 PELLEY: BUT THERE'S NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT THAT AS PRESIDENT. 67 00:03:48,180 --> 00:03:50,876 TRUMP: SURE THERE IS. PELLEY: HOW DO YOU KEEP THEM FROM EXPORTING AMERICAN JOBS TO 68 00:03:50,878 --> 00:03:55,531 MEXICO? TRUMP: LET'S SAY FORD... LET'S SAY FORD MOVES TO MEXICO. 69 00:03:55,533 --> 00:03:57,550 IF THEY WANT TO SELL THAT CAR IN THE UNITED STATES, THEY PAY A TAX. 70 00:03:57,552 --> 00:04:00,287 HERE'S WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN: THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BUILD THEIR PLANT THERE. 71 00:04:00,289 --> 00:04:02,555 THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD IT IN THE UNITED STATES. PELLEY: BUT THERE IS A NORTH 72 00:04:02,557 --> 00:04:04,558 AMERICAN FREE TRADE AGREEMENT. TRUMP: AND THERE SHOULDN'T BE. 73 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:07,627 IT'S A DISASTER. PELLEY: BUT IT IS THERE. TRUMP: OKAY, YEAH, BUT... 74 00:04:07,629 --> 00:04:09,662 PELLEY: IF YOU'RE PRESIDENT, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO LIVE WITH IT. 75 00:04:09,664 --> 00:04:12,466 TRUMP: EXCUSE ME, WE WILL EITHER RENEGOTIATE IT OR WE WILL BREAK IT. 76 00:04:12,468 --> 00:04:14,467 BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, EVERY AGREEMENT HAS AN END. PELLEY: YOU CAN'T JUST BREAK 77 00:04:14,469 --> 00:04:17,536 THE LAW. TRUMP: EXCUSE ME, EVERY AGREEMENT HAS AN END. 78 00:04:17,539 --> 00:04:21,407 EVERY AGREEMENT HAS TO BE FAIR. EVERY AGREEMENT HAS A DEFRAUD CLAUSE. 79 00:04:21,410 --> 00:04:23,415 WE'RE BEING DEFRAUDED BY ALL THESE COUNTRIES. PELLEY: IT'S CALLED FREE 80 00:04:23,417 --> 00:04:25,78 TRADE... TRUMP: NO, IT'S NOT. PELLEY: ...AND IT IS A 81 00:04:25,80 --> 00:04:27,446 PLANK... TRUMP: IT'S NOT THE... PELLEY: ...OF THE REPUBLICAN 82 00:04:27,449 --> 00:04:30,916 PLATFORM. TRUMP: SCOTT, WE NEED FAIR TRADE, NOT FREE TRADE. 83 00:04:30,919 --> 00:04:36,523 WE NEED FAIR TRADE. IT'S GOT TO BE FAIR. PELLEY: TRUMP'S DIFFERENCES 84 00:04:36,525 --> 00:04:41,595 WITH REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS HAVE HIM RISING ON A MOOD OF NATIONAL FRUSTRATION. 85 00:04:41,597 --> 00:04:47,134 IN OUR CBS NEWS POLL, NEARLY HALF OF REPUBLICANS IN THE EARLY PRIMARY STATES SAY THEY'RE NOT 86 00:04:47,136 --> 00:04:52,639 DISSATISFIED WITH WASHINGTON, THEY'RE ANGRY. THEY TELL US THAT BUSINESS 87 00:04:52,641 --> 00:04:59,890 KNOW HOW MATTERS MUCH MORE THAN A POLITICAL RESUME. AND WHEN THEY SEE THE 88 00:04:59,892 --> 00:05:14,941 MULTIBILLIONAIRE IN HIS PRIVATE 757, 80% OF REPUBLICANS SAY THEY SEE A STRONG LEADER. 89 00:05:14,943 --> 00:05:15,233 TRUMP: SO, I WANT TO BUILD OUR COUNTRY. OUR COUNTRY'S BEEN DECIMATED. 90 00:05:15,235 --> 00:05:19,123 WE HAVE SPENT SO MUCH MONEY IN THE MIDDLE EAST AND OTHER PLACES. 91 00:05:19,125 --> 00:05:21,565 WE... OUR ROADS ARE FALLING APART, OUR BRIDGES ARE FALLING APART, EVERYTHING'S FALLING 92 00:05:21,567 --> 00:05:25,939 APART. WE HAVE TO REBUILD OUR COUNTRY. PELLEY: THIS SOUNDS GREAT. 93 00:05:25,941 --> 00:05:26,390 HOW ARE YOU GOING TO PAY FOR IT? TRUMP: WE'RE GOING TO ABSOLUTELY BE ABLE TO PAY FOR 94 00:05:26,392 --> 00:05:36,971 IT. MY ECONOMY WILL EXPAND SO RAPIDLY, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE 95 00:05:36,973 --> 00:05:37,515 JOBS BACK FROM OTHER COUNTRIES AND WE WILL BE ABLE TO PAY FOR IT. 96 00:05:37,517 --> 00:05:42,69 PELLEY: ARE YOU SERIOUS ABOUT DEPORTING 12 MILLION ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS? 97 00:05:42,71 --> 00:05:44,472 TRUMP: WELL, NOBODY KNOWS THE NUMBER, BUT THE ANSWER IS-- YOU JUST SAID IT, THEY'RE ILLEGAL 98 00:05:44,474 --> 00:05:51,465 IMMIGRANTS. THEY'RE HERE ILLEGALLY. FIRST OF ALL, I HAVE TO START A 99 00:05:51,467 --> 00:05:54,920 LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY. WE'RE GOING TO BUILD A WALL, AND WE'RE GOING TO CREATE A BORDER. 100 00:05:54,922 --> 00:05:54,631 IT'S GOING TO BE A GREAT WALL, AND IT'S NOT GOING TO BE VERY EXPENSIVE. 101 00:05:54,633 --> 00:05:56,28 AND IT'S GOING TO BE PEANUTS COMPARED TO THE KIND OF NUMBERS, YOU KNOW? 102 00:05:56,30 --> 00:05:57,36 PELLEY: HOW ARE YOU GOING TO BUILD A WALL... TRUMP: IT'S CALLED 103 00:05:57,38 --> 00:05:59,903 MANAGEMENT. PELLEY: ...THAT IS CHEAP AND IMPENETRABLE? 104 00:05:59,906 --> 00:06:04,852 TRUMP: IT WILL BE A REAL WALL. IT'LL BE A WALL THAT WORKS. 105 00:06:04,854 --> 00:06:13,921 IT'LL ACTUALLY BE A WALL THAT WILL LOOK GOOD, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, BECAUSE WHAT THEY HAVE NOW 106 00:06:13,923 --> 00:06:16,16 IS A JOKE. THEY'RE... THEY'RE UGLY, LITTLE AND DON'T WORK. 107 00:06:16,18 --> 00:06:16,764 PELLEY: LET'S ASSUME YOUR WALL HAS GONE UP. TRUMP: GOOD. 108 00:06:16,766 --> 00:06:18,741 PELLEY: 11 MILLION, 12 MILLION ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS... TRUMP: OR WHATEVER THE NUMBER 109 00:06:18,743 --> 00:06:20,712 IS. PELLEY: ...STILL IN THE COUNTRY. 110 00:06:20,714 --> 00:06:23,509 WHAT DO YOU DO? TRUMP: IF THEY'VE DONE WELL, THEY'RE GOING OUT AND THEY'RE 111 00:06:23,511 --> 00:06:23,260 COMING BACK IN LEGALLY. BECAUSE YOU SAID IT... PELLEY: YOU'RE ROUNDING THEM 112 00:06:23,262 --> 00:06:32,537 ALL UP. TRUMP: WE'RE ROUNDING THEM UP IN A VERY HUMANE WAY, IN A VERY 113 00:06:32,539 --> 00:06:38,138 NICE WAY. AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE HAPPY BECAUSE THEY WANT TO BE 114 00:06:38,140 --> 00:06:44,537 LEGALIZED. AND... AND, BY THE WAY, I KNOW IT DOESN'T SOUND NICE, BUT NOT 115 00:06:44,539 --> 00:06:46,313 EVERYTHING IS NICE. PELLEY: IT DOESN'T SOUND PRACTICAL. 116 00:06:46,316 --> 00:06:49,88 TRUMP: IT IS PRACTICAL. IT'S GOING TO WORK. THEY HAVE TO COME HERE LEGALLY. 117 00:06:49,90 --> 00:06:56,694 AND YOU KNOW, WHEN I TALK ABOUT THE WALL-- AND I SAID IT BEFORE-- WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A 118 00:06:56,696 --> 00:06:51,155 TREMENDOUS, BEAUTIFUL, WIDE OPEN DOOR. NICE BIG DOOR. 119 00:06:51,157 --> 00:06:58,786 WE WANT PEOPLE TO COME INTO THE COUNTRY. PELLEY: YOU KNOW, THE PROBLEM 120 00:06:58,788 --> 00:07:06,599 WITH A LOT OF THESE IDEAS IS THAT THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES IS NOT THE C.E.O. OF 121 00:07:06,601 --> 00:07:07,532 AMERICA. TRUMP: THAT'S RIGHT. PELLEY: THE CONSTITUTION IS 122 00:07:07,534 --> 00:07:08,659 GOING TO TELL YOU NO. TRUMP: WE'LL SEE. PELLEY: THE CONGRESS IS GOING 123 00:07:08,661 --> 00:07:10,929 TO TELL YOU NO. TRUMP: WE'LL SEE. PELLEY: THE SUPREME COURT IS 124 00:07:10,931 --> 00:07:13,314 GOING TO TELL YOU NO. TRUMP: WELL, WE'LL SEE. PELLEY: AND YOU'RE NOT USED 125 00:07:13,316 --> 00:07:15,573 TO WORKING IN AN ENVIRONMENT LIKE THAT. TRUMP: LOOK, I DO IT ALL THE 126 00:07:15,575 --> 00:07:20,79 TIME. PELLEY: WHO TELLS YOU NO? TRUMP: I DO IT ALL THE TIME. 127 00:07:20,81 --> 00:07:19,541 NOT THAT MANY PEOPLE. I DO IT ALL THE TIME. AND I DEAL WITH GOVERNMENTS ALL 128 00:07:19,543 --> 00:07:21,950 THE TIME. I HAVE... OVERSEAS, I HAVE VAST HOLDINGS OVERSEAS. 129 00:07:21,952 --> 00:07:26,423 PELLEY: WHAT IS THE ROLE OF THE U.S. MILITARY IN THE WORLD? TRUMP: I WANT TO HAVE A 130 00:07:26,425 --> 00:07:29,696 MILITARY THAT'S SO STRONG, SO POWERFUL, SO MODERN, HAS THE GREATEST EQUIPMENT IN THE WORLD, 131 00:07:29,698 --> 00:07:31,571 AND THAT EVERYBODY SAYS, "WE'RE NOT GOING TO MESS WITH THEM." AND WE DON'T HAVE THAT NOW. 132 00:07:31,574 --> 00:07:35,135 PELLEY: WHEN HAS THE U.S. MILITARY BEEN TOO SMALL TO ACCOMPLISH ITS MISSION? 133 00:07:35,138 --> 00:07:37,73 TRUMP: IT'S NOT A QUESTION OF TOO SMALL. PELLEY: WE'RE... 134 00:07:37,75 --> 00:07:39,420 TRUMP: WE... WE DON'T HAVE LEADERSHIP. PELLEY: WE'RE AT WAR WITH 135 00:07:39,422 --> 00:07:43,376 ISIS AS WE SIT HERE. HOW DO YOU END IT? TRUMP: I WOULD END ISIS 136 00:07:43,378 --> 00:07:50,657 FORCEFULLY. I THINK ISIS... WHAT THEY DID WAS UNBELIEVABLE, WHAT THEY DID 137 00:07:50,659 --> 00:07:59,285 WITH JAMES FOLEY AND THE CUTTING OFF OF HEADS OF EVERYBODY. I MEAN, THESE PEOPLE ARE TOTALLY 138 00:07:59,287 --> 00:08:06,429 A DISASTER. NOW, LET ME JUST SAY THIS-- ISIS IN SYRIA, ASSAD IN SYRIA, ASSAD 139 00:08:06,431 --> 00:08:11,962 AND ISIS ARE MORTAL ENEMIES. WE GO IN TO FIGHT ISIS. WHY AREN'T WE LETTING ISIS GO 140 00:08:11,964 --> 00:08:13,614 AND FIGHT ASSAD, AND THEN WE PICK UP THE REMNANTS? WHY ARE WE DOING THIS? 141 00:08:13,616 --> 00:08:18,484 WE'RE FIGHTING ISIS, AND ASSAD HAS TO BE SAYING TO HIMSELF, "THEY ARE THE NICEST OR DUMBEST 142 00:08:18,486 --> 00:08:21,178 PEOPLE THAT I'VE EVER IMAGINED." PELLEY: LET ME GET THIS RIGHT-- SO WE LAY OFF ISIS FOR 143 00:08:21,180 --> 00:08:24,817 NOW... TRUMP: EXCUSE ME, LET... PELLEY: ...LAY OFF IN SYRIA, 144 00:08:24,820 --> 00:08:27,887 LET THEM DESTROY ASSAD, AND THEN WE GO IN BEHIND THAT. TRUMP: THAT'S WHAT I WOULD 145 00:08:27,889 --> 00:08:33,859 SAY. YES, THAT'S WHAT I WOULD SAY. PELLEY: OR, HE HAD ANOTHER 146 00:08:33,861 --> 00:08:38,898 IDEA-- LEAVE IT TO AN OLD ADVERSARY. TRUMP: IF YOU LOOK AT SYRIA, 147 00:08:38,901 --> 00:08:40,599 RUSSIA WANTS TO GET RID OF ISIS. WE WANT TO GET RID OF ISIS. MAYBE LET RUSSIA DO IT. 148 00:08:40,601 --> 00:08:46,273 LET THEM GET RID OF ISIS. WHAT THE HELL DO WE CARE? PELLEY: OKAY, THAT'S SYRIA. 149 00:08:46,275 --> 00:08:48,562 WHAT DO YOU DO IN IRAQ... TRUMP: WITH THAT... PELLEY: ...WITH ISIS? 150 00:08:48,564 --> 00:08:50,564 TRUMP: LOOK, WITH ISIS IN IRAQ, YOU'VE GOT TO KNOCK THEM OUT. 151 00:08:50,566 --> 00:08:54,585 YOU'VE GOT TO KNOCK THEM OUT. YOU'VE GOT TO FIGHT THEM. YOU'VE GOT TO FIGHT THEM. 152 00:08:54,587 --> 00:09:00,958 YOU HAVE TO STAND... PELLEY: ON THE GROUND? TRUMP: IF YOU NEED, YOU'RE 153 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:03,320 GOING TO HAVE TO DO THAT, YES. PELLEY: TROOPS ON THE GROUND. TRUMP: YES. 154 00:09:03,322 --> 00:09:08,776 PELLEY: 15 YEARS AGO, HE ADVOCATED A PREEMPTIVE STRIKE ON NORTH KOREA'S NUCLEAR PROGRAM, 155 00:09:08,778 --> 00:09:13,795 WHICH HE STILL SEES AS A MAJOR THREAT. TRUMP: WELL, YOU'RE GOING TO 156 00:09:13,797 --> 00:09:13,946 HAVE TO DO SOMETHING AT SOME POINT. PELLEY: YOU WOULD DROP A BOMB 157 00:09:13,948 --> 00:09:17,177 ON THEIR NUCLEAR REACTOR? TRUMP: I WOULD DO SOMETHING. YOU HAVE TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT 158 00:09:17,179 --> 00:09:19,454 NORTH KOREA. NOW, WHAT I WOULD DO IS, I WOULD MAKE CHINA RESPECT US BECAUSE 159 00:09:19,456 --> 00:09:21,385 CHINA HAS EXTREME CONTROL OVER NORTH KOREA. AND I WOULD SAY, "CHINA, YOU 160 00:09:21,387 --> 00:09:21,881 BETTER GO IN THERE, AND YOU BETTER DO SOMETHING BECAUSE ECONOMICALLY IT COULD COST 161 00:09:21,883 --> 00:09:26,278 CHINA." PELLEY: AND THEY'RE GOING TO LISTEN TO DONALD TRUMP? 162 00:09:26,281 --> 00:09:28,13 TRUMP: WE D... YEAH, THEY'RE GOING TO LISTEN TO ME. PELLEY: THEY DON'T LISTEN TO 163 00:09:28,15 --> 00:09:29,916 PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES... TRUMP: THEY'RE GOING TO 164 00:09:29,918 --> 00:09:31,551 LISTEN TO ME. PELLEY: ...BUT DONALD TRUMP THEY'RE GOING TO LISTEN... 165 00:09:31,553 --> 00:09:33,719 TRUMP: JUST LIKE I HAVE THE CHINESE BANKS IN MY BUILDINGS, THEY LISTEN TO ME, THEY RESPECT 166 00:09:33,721 --> 00:09:36,156 ME. CHINA HAS ALMOST COMPLETE CONTROL OVER NORTH KOREA. 167 00:09:36,158 --> 00:09:41,294 CHINA WILL DO THAT. AND IF THEY DON'T DO THAT, THEY HAVE TO SUFFER ECONOMICALLY 168 00:09:41,296 --> 00:09:44,330 BECAUSE WE HAVE THE ENGINE THAT MAKES CHINA WORK. YOU KNOW, WITHOUT THE UNITED 169 00:09:44,333 --> 00:09:48,112 STATES OR WITHOUT CHINA SUCKING OUT ALL OUR MONEY AND OUR JOBS, CHINA WOULD COLLAPSE IN ABOUT 170 00:09:48,114 --> 00:09:50,979 TWO MINUTES. PELLEY: WHAT'S YOUR PLAN FOR OBAMACARE? 171 00:09:50,981 --> 00:09:55,513 TRUMP: OBAMACARE'S GOING TO BE REPEALED AND REPLACED. OBAMACARE IS A DISASTER IF YOU 172 00:09:55,515 --> 00:10:04,39 LOOK AT WHAT'S GOING ON WITH PREMIUMS, WHERE THEY'RE UP 45%, 50%, 55%. 173 00:10:04,41 --> 00:10:04,928 PELLEY: HOW DO YOU FIX IT? TRUMP: THERE'S MANY DIFFERENT WAYS. 174 00:10:04,930 --> 00:10:09,734 BY THE WAY, EVERYBODY'S GOT TO BE COVERED. THIS IS AN UN-REPUBLICAN THING 175 00:10:09,736 --> 00:10:11,124 FOR ME TO SAY BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES, THEY SAY, "NO, NO, THE LOWER 25%, THEY CAN'T AFFORD 176 00:10:11,126 --> 00:10:12,492 PRIVATE," BUT... PELLEY: UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE. 177 00:10:12,494 --> 00:10:14,159 TRUMP: ...I AM GOING TO TAKE CARE OF EVERYBODY. I... I DON'T CARE IF IT COSTS ME 178 00:10:14,161 --> 00:10:16,771 VOTES OR NOT. EVERYBODY'S GOING TO BE TAKEN CARE OF MUCH BETTER THAN THEY'RE 179 00:10:16,773 --> 00:10:20,457 TAKEN CARE OF NOW. PELLEY: THE UNINSURED PERSON IS GOING TO BE TAKEN CARE OF, 180 00:10:20,459 --> 00:10:26,148 HOW? HOW? TRUMP: THEY'RE GOING TO BE 181 00:10:26,150 --> 00:10:26,171 TAKEN CARE OF. I WOULD MAKE A DEAL WITH EXISTING HOSPITALS TO TAKE CARE 182 00:10:26,174 --> 00:10:32,920 OF PEOPLE. AND YOU KNOW WHAT? IF THIS IS PROBABLY... 183 00:10:32,922 --> 00:10:36,435 PELLEY: MAKE A DEAL? WHO PAYS FOR IT? TRUMP: THE GOVERNMENT'S GOING 184 00:10:36,437 --> 00:10:39,560 TO PAY FOR IT, BUT WE'RE GOING TO SAVE SO MUCH MONEY ON THE OTHER SIDE. 185 00:10:39,562 --> 00:10:39,955 BUT FOR THE MOST, IT'S GOING TO BE A PRIVATE PLAN AND PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO GO OUT AND 186 00:10:39,957 --> 00:10:43,318 NEGOTIATE GREAT PLANS WITH LOTS OF DIFFERENT COMPETITION WITH LOTS OF COMPETITORS WITH GREAT 187 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:44,522 COMPANIES. AND THEY CAN HAVE THEIR DOCTORS, THEY CAN HAVE PLANS, THEY CAN 188 00:10:44,524 --> 00:10:48,627 HAVE EVERYTHING. PELLEY: IN YOUR BOOK, "THE AMERICA WE DESERVE," YOU 189 00:10:48,630 --> 00:10:52,98 PROPOSED RAISING THE SOCIAL SECURITY RETIREMENT AGE TO 70. IS THAT STILL YOUR PLAN? 190 00:10:52,100 --> 00:10:56,302 TRUMP: YEAH, NOT ANYMORE BECAUSE NOW WHAT I WANT TO DO IS TAKE MONEY BACK FROM OTHER 191 00:10:56,304 --> 00:10:58,538 COUNTRIES THAT ARE KILLING US, AND I WANT TO SAVE SOCIAL SECURITY. 192 00:10:58,540 --> 00:11:02,508 AND WE'RE GOING TO SAVE IT WITHOUT INCREASES. WE'RE NOT GOING TO RAISE THE 193 00:11:02,510 --> 00:11:05,445 AGE, AND IT WILL BE JUST FINE. PELLEY: HOW ARE YOU GOING TO DO THAT? 194 00:11:05,447 --> 00:11:09,182 IT IS A BASKET CASE? TRUMP: THROUGH CAPABILITY. WE WILL SET IT UP BY MAKING OUR 195 00:11:09,184 --> 00:11:15,521 COUNTRY RICH AGAIN. PELLEY: YOU KNOW, THE... THE HEART OF ALL OF YOUR PLANS SEEMS 196 00:11:15,523 --> 00:11:17,456 TO BE, "WE'RE GOING TO BE RICH." TRUMP: WE ARE GOING TO DO GREAT. 197 00:11:17,458 --> 00:11:19,258 AS A COUNTRY, WE ARE GOING TO DO GREAT. PELLEY: YOU KNOW, NEITHER 198 00:11:19,260 --> 00:11:21,560 PARTY LIKES YOU VERY MUCH. HOW ARE YOU GOING TO GET... TRUMP: I WOULD SAY THAT'S 199 00:11:21,562 --> 00:11:24,229 TRUE, YES. PELLEY: HOW ARE YOU GOING TO GET ANYTHING THROUGH CONGRESS? 200 00:11:24,231 --> 00:11:25,898 TRUMP: WHEN YOU SAY THE PARTY, THE ESTABLISHMENT DOESN'T. 201 00:11:25,901 --> 00:11:27,767 FOR INSTANCE, I NOTICED THAT... THAT... PELLEY: WELL, THAT'S WHO 202 00:11:27,769 --> 00:11:30,502 CONGRESS IS. HOW ARE YOU GOING TO GET ANYTHING... 203 00:11:30,505 --> 00:11:32,471 TRUMP: THAT'S... OH, I'LL GET ALONG. I GET... I'VE GOTTEN ALONG WITH 204 00:11:32,473 --> 00:11:34,874 POLITICIANS MY WHOLE LIFE. I'VE MADE A FORTUNE ON POLITICIANS. 205 00:11:34,876 --> 00:11:38,10 NOBODY KNOWS POLITICIANS BETTER THAN I DO. I GET ALONG WITH POLITICIANS. 206 00:11:38,13 --> 00:11:40,713 PELLEY: YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO BUY THEM ANYMORE. TRUMP: NO, NO, I'M NOT GOING 207 00:11:40,716 --> 00:11:43,416 TO BUY THEM. I'M NOT GOING TO BUY THEM. I'LL GET ALONG WITH THEM. 208 00:11:43,418 --> 00:11:45,418 YOU'VE GOT TO GET ALONG, AND YOU'VE GOT TO GET PEOPLE TO DO WHAT YOU... IT'S CALLED 209 00:11:45,420 --> 00:11:52,458 LEADERSHIP. WE DON'T HAVE ANY LEADERSHIP RIGHT NOW. 210 00:11:52,460 --> 00:11:58,164 PELLEY: IN DALLAS THIS MONTH, HE NEARLY FILLED A 20,000-SEAT ARENA. 211 00:11:58,166 --> 00:12:02,835 OUR POLL SHOWS THAT HIS SUPPORT EXTENDS FROM REPUBLICANS TO INDEPENDENTS, YOUNG AND OLD, 212 00:12:02,838 --> 00:12:09,609 EVANGELICAL AND NOT. BUT HIS POLL NUMBERS DID SLIP SLIGHTLY LAST WEEK, AND 213 00:12:09,611 --> 00:12:16,81 NATIONALLY AMONG ALL VOTERS, MAJORITIES OF BLACKS AND HISPANICS DISAPPROVE. 214 00:12:16,83 --> 00:12:19,818 TRUMP TOLD US HE WILL PAY FOR HIS CAMPAIGN ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE NOMINATION. 215 00:12:19,820 --> 00:12:31,630 TRUMP: YEAH, I'M TOTALLY WILLING TO... I'M SELF-FUNDING MY CAMPAIGN. 216 00:12:31,632 --> 00:12:33,333 NOW, ONCE YOU GET THE NOMINATION, THEN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY KICKS IN AND THEY RAISE 217 00:12:33,335 --> 00:12:35,33 ALL THIS MONEY, AND THEY DO WHATEVER THEY HAVE TO DO. BUT I AM ABSOLUTELY 100% DOING 218 00:12:35,36 --> 00:12:36,502 IT MYSELF. PELLEY: YOU LOVE HEARING ABOUT YOURSELF. 219 00:12:36,505 --> 00:12:39,572 TRUMP: I DO. PELLEY: IT IS OXYGEN TO YOU. WHAT DOES THAT TELL US ABOUT 220 00:12:39,574 --> 00:12:43,543 DONALD TRUMP? TRUMP: NO, IF I'M ON A SHOW, I'LL TURN ON THE SHOW. 221 00:12:43,545 --> 00:12:45,778 BUT I DON'T THINK I'M ANY DIFFERENT THAN ANYBODY ELSE. IF SOMEBODY'S... 222 00:12:45,781 --> 00:12:49,249 PELLEY: I WAS IN YOUR OFFICE. ALL THE MAGAZINES ON YOUR DESK... 223 00:12:49,251 --> 00:12:51,718 TRUMP: WELL, I HAVE A LOT OF COVERS. PELLEY: ...ARE COVERS OF YOU. 224 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:54,754 TRUMP: I THINK I HAVE MORE COVERS... PELLEY: ALL THE PICTURES ON 225 00:12:54,756 --> 00:12:56,822 THE WALL ARE PICTURES OF YOU. TRUMP: WELL, IT'S CHEAPER THAN WALLPAPER. 226 00:12:56,825 --> 00:13:01,327 PELLEY: WHAT ARE WE SUPPOSED TO TAKE FROM THAT? TRUMP: YOU KNOW, LOOK, I'M ON 227 00:13:01,329 --> 00:13:03,62 A LOT OF COVERS-- I THINK MAYBE MORE THAN ALMOST ANY SUPERMODEL. I THINK MORE THAN ANY 228 00:13:03,64 --> 00:13:05,731 SUPERMODEL. BUT IN A WAY, THAT IS A SIGN OF RESPECT. 229 00:13:05,734 --> 00:13:13,672 PEOPLE ARE RESPECTING WHAT YOU ARE DOING. PELLEY: SO, THIS IS THE 230 00:13:13,674 --> 00:13:15,674 CORNER OFFICE AT 5TH AVENUE AND 57TH, PROBABLY THE MOST EXPENSIVE INTERSECTION IN THE 231 00:13:15,677 --> 00:13:17,877 WORLD. TRUMP: I WOULD SAY IT IS, ABSOLUTELY. 232 00:13:17,879 --> 00:13:22,414 PELLEY: BUT THERE ISN'T ENOUGH RESPECT, HE TOLD US, FOR THE BUSINESS HE BUILT. 233 00:13:22,416 --> 00:13:30,723 TRUMP REAL ESTATE SCRAPES THE SKIES OF THE WORLD-- APARTMENTS, OFFICES, HOTELS, CASINOS, FAMOUS 234 00:13:30,725 --> 00:13:35,294 GOLF COURSES AND TELEVISION SHOWS. HE STARTED WITH HIS FATHER'S 235 00:13:35,296 --> 00:13:44,604 SUCCESSFUL REAL ESTATE, AND NOW TRUMP SAYS HE'S WORTH $10 BILLION. 236 00:13:44,606 --> 00:13:46,271 OTHERS ESTIMATE $4 BILLION-- REAL ESTATE VALUES ARE NOTORIOUSLY VARIABLE. 237 00:13:46,273 --> 00:13:49,7 AND YOUR FATHER ALSO USED TO TELL YOU, IF I HAVE THIS RIGHT, "ATTACK, ATTACK, ATTACK." 238 00:13:49,10 --> 00:13:52,812 TRUMP: I'LL TELL YOU WHAT-- MY FATHER WAS A REALLY GOOD MAN WITH A TREMENDOUS HEART, BUT HE 239 00:13:52,814 --> 00:13:57,883 WAS A TOUGH COOKIE. PELLEY: WITH A TOUGHER HIDE, PERHAPS, THAN HIS SON, WHO HAS 240 00:13:57,885 --> 00:14:02,288 SOMETIMES GONE TO WAR WITH REPORTERS. WHY SO THIN-SKINNED? 241 00:14:02,290 --> 00:14:09,294 TRUMP: I DON'T LIKE LIES. I... I DON'T MIND A BAD STORY. IF YOU DID A BAD STORY ON ME FOR 242 00:14:09,296 --> 00:14:12,598 "60 MINUTES," IF IT WERE A FAIR STORY, I WOULDN'T BE THIN- SKINNED AT ALL. 243 00:14:12,601 --> 00:14:15,168 YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE MEDIA IS AMONG THE WORST PEOPLE I'VE EVER MET. 244 00:14:15,170 --> 00:14:19,471 AND I MEAN A PRETTY GOOD PERCENTAGE IS REALLY A TERRIBLE GROUP OF PEOPLE. 245 00:14:19,473 --> 00:14:22,474 THEY WRITE LIES, THEY WRITE FALSE STORIES. THEY KNOW THEY'RE FALSE. 246 00:14:22,476 --> 00:14:29,848 IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE. AND FRANKLY, I DON'T CALL IT THIN-SKINNED; I'M ANGRY. 247 00:14:29,851 --> 00:14:33,419 PELLEY: AN IMPRESSION IS CREATED, THOUGH, THAT YOU LIKE TO DISH IT OUT BUT YOU CAN'T 248 00:14:33,421 --> 00:14:36,54 TAKE A PUNCH. TRUMP: OH, I THINK I CAN TAKE IT. 249 00:14:36,57 --> 00:14:39,291 I... I COULD TAKE IT IF IT'S FAIR. AGAIN, IF PEOPLE SAY THINGS THAT 250 00:14:39,294 --> 00:14:46,132 ARE FALSE-- WHICH HAPPENS A LOT WITH ME-- IF PEOPLE SAY THINGS THAT ARE FALSE, I WILL FIGHT, 251 00:14:46,134 --> 00:14:51,638 LIKE, HARDER THAN ANYBODY. IF I DO SOMETHING WRONG-- AND THAT HAPPENS-- AND THEY WRITE A 252 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:53,505 FAIR STORY THAT I DID SOMETHING WRONG, THERE'S NOTHING TO FIGHT ABOUT. 253 00:14:53,507 --> 00:14:56,708 I CAN HANDLE THAT. I DON'T LIKE LYING. YOU KNOW, I'M A VERY HONORABLE 254 00:14:56,710 --> 00:15:03,182 GUY. I DON'T LIKE LIES. PELLEY: WHAT PERSONAL 255 00:15:03,184 --> 00:15:08,221 HARDSHIP HAS DEFINED YOUR CHARACTER? TRUMP: WELL, I THINK I'VE HAD 256 00:15:08,223 --> 00:15:15,294 SOME, BUT I HAD A BROTHER WHO WAS A FANTASTIC GUY, FRED. AND HE WAS A YOUNG MAN, AND HE 257 00:15:15,296 --> 00:15:21,934 PASSED AWAY AT A FAIRLY YOUNG AGE, AND HE WAS AN ALCOHOLIC. HE WOULD TELL ME CONSTANTLY, 258 00:15:21,937 --> 00:15:25,370 "DON'T DRINK." AND I'VE NEVER HAD A DRINK. I OWN THE LARGEST WINERY ON THE 259 00:15:25,372 --> 00:15:28,374 EAST COAST AND YET I DON'T DRINK, WHICH IS A LITTLE WEIRD. BUT HE'D SAY, "DON'T DRINK, 260 00:15:28,376 --> 00:15:32,377 DON'T SMOKE." AND HE WOULD TELL ME ALL THE TIME BECAUSE HE HAD A PROBLEM 261 00:15:32,380 --> 00:15:35,948 WITH IT. HE DIED OF ALCOHOLISM. PELLEY: THAT IS A WARNING 262 00:15:35,950 --> 00:15:39,518 THAT HE'S PRESSED ON HIS CHILDREN, THREE OF WHOM RUN HIS COMPANIES. 263 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:42,655 TRUMP: I HAVE CHILDREN THAT ARE VERY GOOD CHILDREN. AND... AND SO FAR, I KNOCK ON 264 00:15:42,657 --> 00:15:45,257 WOOD. RIGHT, YOU KNOW, WHO KNOWS? PELLEY: VERY ACCOMPLISHED, 265 00:15:45,260 --> 00:15:48,994 YOUR THREE OLDER CHILDREN. TRUMP: TERRIFIC PEOPLE. BUT I SAY, "NO DRUGS, NO 266 00:15:48,997 --> 00:15:55,301 ALCOHOL, NO CIGARETTES." PELLEY: MILLIONS OF PEOPLE ARE WONDERING RIGHT NOW WHETHER 267 00:15:55,303 --> 00:16:01,239 YOU ARE SERIOUS OR WHETHER THIS IS A REALITY SHOW. YESTERDAY, YOU SAID, "IF THE 268 00:16:01,242 --> 00:16:04,677 PRESIDENCY DOESN'T WORK OUT, I'LL GO BACK TO MY BUSINESS." TRUMP: WELL, THAT'S TRUE. 269 00:16:04,679 --> 00:16:08,13 PELLEY: DO YOU INTEND... TRUMP: I MEAN, THAT'S TRUE. I CAN'T GUARANTEE THAT... 270 00:16:08,15 --> 00:16:09,382 PELLEY: ...TO BE PRESIDENT, OR NOT? TRUMP: TOTALLY. 271 00:16:09,384 --> 00:16:12,452 BUT THAT'S TRUE. I ALWAYS LIKE TO HAVE A DOWNSIDE. 272 00:16:12,454 --> 00:16:16,421 I LOVE MY BUSINESS. I DIDN'T WANT TO DO THIS; I JUST SEE OUR COUNTRY AS GOING TO