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THAT AVERAGES THE BEST POLITICAL

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DONALD TRUMP STANDS ABOVE THE

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CANDIDATES LIKE ONE OF HIS

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BOASTFUL BUILDINGS.

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FIRST IN THE NATION, FIRST IN

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IOWA, FIRST IN NEW HAMPSHIRE,

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AND FIRST FOR THE LAST 11 WEEKS.

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POLITICAL ARCHITECTS ARE AMAZED

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BECAUSE TRUMP ROSE ON A SHAKY
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HIS "SHOOT FROM THE LIP" STYLE

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LATINOS, AND AMERICAN P.O.W.s.

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NOW, WITH SUMMER OVER AND FOUR

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MONTHS TO IOWA, VOTERS

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CAPTIVATED BY A LARGER-THAN-LIFE

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PERSONALITY BEGIN TO WANT THE

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FINE DETAILS.

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THAT'S WHAT WE WERE LOOKING FOR

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THIS PAST TUESDAY WHEN WE MET

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AVENUE PENTHOUSE IN MANHATTAN.

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HE SURPRISED US WITH NEWS ABOUT
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SO, NOW YOU'VE GOT EVERYBODY'S
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>> Donald Trump: I DO HAVE THEIR

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>> Pelley: REVOLUTION IS EASY,

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GOVERNING IS HARD.

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AND WHAT I'D LIKE TO GET TO IS

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HOW YOU INTEND TO GOVERN THE

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COUNTRY IF YOU ARE ELECTED
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WHAT'S YOUR TAX PLAN?

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>> Trump: IT'S A SUBSTANTIAL

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REDUCTION FOR THE MIDDLE-INCOME

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PEOPLE, BECAUSE OUR MIDDLE

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IT WILL BE A CORPORATE ALSO

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REDUCTION.
I THINK IT'LL BE A GREAT
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>> Pelley: WHO ARE YOU GOING TO

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RAISE TAXES ON?

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>> Trump: IF YOU LOOK AT

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ACTUALLY RAISE, SOME VERY

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SOME PEOPLE THAT ARE GETTING

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UNFAIR DEDUCTIONS ARE GOING TO
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TREMENDOUS INCENTIVE TO GROW THE

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ECONOMY, AND WE'RE GOING TO TAKE

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>> Pelley: BUT REPUBLICANS DON'T

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RAISE TAXES.

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>> Trump: WELL, WE'RE NOT
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>> Pelley: WHAT KIND OF
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>> Trump: I MEAN, THE ONLY...

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WELL, I'M A PRETTY GOOD

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REPUBLICAN, BUT I WILL TELL YOU

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I DON'T WANT TO HAVE CERTAIN

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PEOPLE ON WALL STREET GETTING

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>> Pelley: YOU SAY YOU'RE GOING
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CLASS.
WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT?

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>> Trump: WELL, WE'RE TALKING

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ABOUT NUMBERS THAT WILL BE

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>> Pelley: DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE

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NUMBERS ARE?
>> Trump: I KNOW THEM RIGHT NOW.

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>> Pelley: WELL, WHY DON'T YOU

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IT'S TIME TO TELL THE FOLKS AT

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HOME THE DETAILS OF WHAT YOU

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INTEND TO DO.
>> Trump: I KNOW, I KNOW.

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I WILL SAY THIS-- THERE WILL BE
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THAT WILL HAVE A ZERO RATE, A

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>> Trump: WE'RE TALKING ABOUT

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BRACKETS THAT ARE SUPPOSED TO BE
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MANY OF THEM DON'T ANYWAY.

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MAKING PART OF THE POPULATION

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EXEMPT FROM INCOME TAX.
>> Trump: THAT IS CORRECT.

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>> Pelley: YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT

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CUTTING CORPORATE INCOME TAXES?
>> Trump: THAT IS CORRECT.

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>> Pelley: BUT THERE'S A

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$19 TRILLION FEDERAL DEBT.
>> Trump: THAT'S RIGHT.

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WE'RE GOING TO GROW THE ECONOMY
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>> Pelley: YOU CAN'T AFFORD TO

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DO THOSE THINGS.
>> Trump: NO, NO, BUT IF THE

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ECONOMY GROWS THE WAY IT SHOULD

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GROW, IF I BRING JOBS BACK FROM

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CHINA, FROM JAPAN, FROM MEXICO,

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FROM SO MANY COUNTRIES;
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>> Pelley: HOW DO YOU GET THEM

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>> Trump: YOU GET THEM BACK...

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>> Pelley: ...THOSE $20 AN HOUR

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JOBS THAT THIS COUNTRY WAS BUILT
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>> Trump: RIGHT.

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EXACTLY.

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YOU GET THEM BACK BY TAKING THEM
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I MEAN, IF YOU LOOK AT CHINA, WE
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>> Pelley: HOW DOES THE
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>> Trump: WELL, THE PRESIDENT

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DOES IT BY NOT ALLOWING PLACES

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LIKE CHINA TO DEVALUATE... YOU

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KNOW, THEY DEVALUE THEIR

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CURRENCY, SCOTT, TO SUCH AN

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EXTENT THAT IT'S IMPOSSIBLE FOR

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OUR COMPANIES TO COMPETE.

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EVERY TIME THEY DO THAT, THEY

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SUCK THE BLOOD RIGHT OUT OF OUR

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COUNTRY.
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FOR PRESIDENT OF CHINA.

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>> Trump: NO, I'M RUNNING...

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>> Pelley: YOU'RE NOT GOING TO

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DEVALUATION OF THEIR CURRENCY.

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SURE YOU ARE, SURE YOU ARE.

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LOOK, THEY DON'T RESPECT OUR

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PRESIDENT, THEY DON'T RESPECT

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OUR COUNTRY.
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AND THEY'RE GOING TO BEHAVE.
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THEIR...
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>> Pelley: ...PRODUCTS COMING
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WAR.

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>> Trump: I DON'T WANT TO SAY
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THE SMARTEST PEOPLE ON WALL

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STREET LINED UP ALREADY.

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JAPAN, ON MEXICO.

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MEXICO, BY THE WAY, IS TAKING
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I LOVE THE MEXICAN PEOPLE.

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BUT THE LEADERSHIP IS TOO SMART
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FORD MOTOR COMPANY, MOVING A

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>> Pelley: BUT THERE'S NOTHING

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>> Trump: SURE THERE IS.

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>> Pelley: HOW DO YOU KEEP THEM

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FROM EXPORTING AMERICAN JOBS TO
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LET'S SAY FORD MOVES TO MEXICO.

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THE UNITED STATES, THEY PAY A
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THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BUILD THEIR
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THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD IT IN THE
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>> Pelley: BUT THERE IS A NORTH

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AMERICAN FREE TRADE AGREEMENT.

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>> Trump: AND THERE SHOULDN'T

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>> Pelley: BUT IT IS THERE.

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>> Trump: OKAY, YEAH, BUT...

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>> Pelley: IF YOU'RE PRESIDENT,

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>> Trump: EXCUSE ME, WE WILL

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AGREEMENT HAS AN END.
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>> Trump: EXCUSE ME, EVERY
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EVERY AGREEMENT HAS TO BE FAIR.

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EVERY AGREEMENT HAS A DEFRAUD

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WE'RE BEING DEFRAUDED BY ALL

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THESE COUNTRIES.
>> Pelley: IT'S CALLED FREE

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TRADE...
>> Trump: NO, IT'S NOT.

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>> Trump: IT'S NOT THE...
>> Pelley: ...OF THE REPUBLICAN

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>> Trump: SCOTT, WE NEED FAIR

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THEY'RE ANGRY.

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THEY TELL US THAT BUSINESS

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>> Trump: SO, I WANT TO BUILD
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OUR COUNTRY'S BEEN DECIMATED.

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WE HAVE SPENT SO MUCH MONEY IN

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THE MIDDLE EAST AND OTHER

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WE... OUR ROADS ARE FALLING

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APART, OUR BRIDGES ARE FALLING

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APART, EVERYTHING'S FALLING
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WE HAVE TO REBUILD OUR COUNTRY.

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>> Pelley: THIS SOUNDS GREAT.

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>> Trump: WE'RE GOING TO

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RAPIDLY, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE

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>> Pelley: ARE YOU SERIOUS ABOUT

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DEPORTING 12 MILLION ILLEGAL

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IMMIGRANTS?

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>> Trump: WELL, NOBODY KNOWS THE

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JUST SAID IT, THEY'RE ILLEGAL

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COMPARED TO THE KIND OF NUMBERS,
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>> Pelley: HOW ARE YOU GOING TO

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BUILD A WALL...
>> Trump: IT'S CALLED

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MANAGEMENT.

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>> Pelley: ...THAT IS CHEAP AND

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IMPENETRABLE?

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>> Trump: IT WILL BE A REAL
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IT'LL ACTUALLY BE A WALL THAT

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NOT, BECAUSE WHAT THEY HAVE NOW

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THEY'RE... THEY'RE UGLY, LITTLE
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>> Pelley: LET'S ASSUME YOUR

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WALL HAS GONE UP.
>> Trump: GOOD.

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>> Pelley: 11 MILLION, 12

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MILLION ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS...

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>> Trump: OR WHATEVER THE NUMBER
IS.

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>> Pelley: ...STILL IN THE

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COUNTRY.
WHAT DO YOU DO?

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>> Trump: IF THEY'VE DONE WELL,

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THEY'RE GOING OUT AND THEY'RE

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COMING BACK IN LEGALLY.

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BECAUSE YOU SAID IT...
>> Pelley: YOU'RE ROUNDING THEM

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ALL UP.

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>> Trump: WE'RE ROUNDING THEM UP

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IN A VERY HUMANE WAY, IN A VERY

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NICE WAY.
AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE HAPPY

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BECAUSE THEY WANT TO BE

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LEGALIZED.

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IT DOESN'T SOUND NICE, BUT NOT

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EVERYTHING IS NICE.

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>> Pelley: IT DOESN'T SOUND

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PRACTICAL.
>> Trump: IT IS PRACTICAL.

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IT'S GOING TO WORK.

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THEY HAVE TO COME HERE LEGALLY.

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AND YOU KNOW, WHEN I TALK ABOUT

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THE WALL-- AND I SAID IT

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BEFORE-- WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A

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TREMENDOUS, BEAUTIFUL, WIDE OPEN

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DOOR.
NICE BIG DOOR.
WE WANT PEOPLE TO COME INTO THE

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COUNTRY.

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>> Pelley: YOU KNOW, THE PROBLEM

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WITH A LOT OF THESE IDEAS IS

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THAT THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED
STATES IS NOT THE C.E.O. OF

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AMERICA.
>> Trump: THAT'S RIGHT.

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>> Pelley: THE CONSTITUTION IS
GOING TO TELL YOU NO.

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>> Trump: WE'LL SEE.

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>> Pelley: THE CONGRESS IS GOING
TO TELL YOU NO.

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>> Trump: WE'LL SEE.
>> Pelley: THE SUPREME COURT IS

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GOING TO TELL YOU NO.
>> Trump: WELL, WE'LL SEE.

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>> Pelley: AND YOU'RE NOT USED

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TO WORKING IN AN ENVIRONMENT
LIKE THAT.

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>> Trump: LOOK, I DO IT ALL THE

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TIME.
>> Pelley: WHO TELLS YOU NO?

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>> Trump: I DO IT ALL THE TIME.

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NOT THAT MANY PEOPLE.

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I DO IT ALL THE TIME.
AND I DEAL WITH GOVERNMENTS ALL

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THE TIME.

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I HAVE... OVERSEAS, I HAVE VAST

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HOLDINGS OVERSEAS.

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>> Pelley: WHAT IS THE ROLE OF

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THE U.S. MILITARY IN THE WORLD?

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>> Trump: I WANT TO HAVE A

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MILITARY THAT'S SO STRONG, SO

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POWERFUL, SO MODERN, HAS THE

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GREATEST EQUIPMENT IN THE WORLD,

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AND THAT EVERYBODY SAYS, "WE'RE

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NOT GOING TO MESS WITH THEM."

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AND WE DON'T HAVE THAT NOW.

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>> Pelley: WHEN HAS THE U.S.

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MILITARY BEEN TOO SMALL TO

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ACCOMPLISH ITS MISSION?

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>> Trump: IT'S NOT A QUESTION OF

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TOO SMALL.
>> Pelley: WE'RE...

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>> Trump: WE... WE DON'T HAVE

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LEADERSHIP.

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>> Pelley: WE'RE AT WAR WITH

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ISIS AS WE SIT HERE.

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HOW DO YOU END IT?

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>> Trump: I WOULD END ISIS

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FORCEFULLY.

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I THINK ISIS... WHAT THEY DID

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WAS UNBELIEVABLE, WHAT THEY DID

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WITH JAMES FOLEY AND THE CUTTING

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OFF OF HEADS OF EVERYBODY.

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I MEAN, THESE PEOPLE ARE TOTALLY

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A DISASTER.

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NOW, LET ME JUST SAY THIS-- ISIS

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IN SYRIA, ASSAD IN SYRIA, ASSAD

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AND ISIS ARE MORTAL ENEMIES.

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WE GO IN TO FIGHT ISIS.

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WHY AREN'T WE LETTING ISIS GO

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AND FIGHT ASSAD, AND THEN WE

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PICK UP THE REMNANTS?
WHY ARE WE DOING THIS?

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WE'RE FIGHTING ISIS, AND ASSAD

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HAS TO BE SAYING TO HIMSELF,

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"THEY ARE THE NICEST OR DUMBEST

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PEOPLE THAT I'VE EVER IMAGINED."

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>> Pelley: LET ME GET THIS

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RIGHT-- SO WE LAY OFF ISIS FOR
NOW...

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>> Trump: EXCUSE ME, LET...

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>> Pelley: ...LAY OFF IN SYRIA,

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LET THEM DESTROY ASSAD, AND THEN

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WE GO IN BEHIND THAT.

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>> Trump: THAT'S WHAT I WOULD
SAY.

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YES, THAT'S WHAT I WOULD SAY.

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>> Pelley: OR, HE HAD ANOTHER

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IDEA-- LEAVE IT TO AN OLD

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ADVERSARY.

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>> Trump: IF YOU LOOK AT SYRIA,
RUSSIA WANTS TO GET RID OF ISIS.

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WE WANT TO GET RID OF ISIS.

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MAYBE LET RUSSIA DO IT.
LET THEM GET RID OF ISIS.

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WHAT THE HELL DO WE CARE?

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>> Pelley: OKAY, THAT'S SYRIA.

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WHAT DO YOU DO IN IRAQ...
>> Trump: WITH THAT...

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>> Pelley: ...WITH ISIS?

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>> Trump: LOOK, WITH ISIS IN

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IRAQ, YOU'VE GOT TO KNOCK THEM
OUT.

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YOU'VE GOT TO KNOCK THEM OUT.

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YOU'VE GOT TO FIGHT THEM.

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YOU'VE GOT TO FIGHT THEM.

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YOU HAVE TO STAND...
>> Pelley: ON THE GROUND?

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>> Trump: IF YOU NEED, YOU'RE

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GOING TO HAVE TO DO THAT, YES.
>> Pelley: TROOPS ON THE GROUND.

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>> Trump: YES.

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>> Pelley: 15 YEARS AGO, HE

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ADVOCATED A PREEMPTIVE STRIKE ON

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NORTH KOREA'S NUCLEAR PROGRAM,

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WHICH HE STILL SEES AS A MAJOR

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THREAT.

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>> Trump: WELL, YOU'RE GOING TO

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HAVE TO DO SOMETHING AT SOME

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POINT.
>> Pelley: YOU WOULD DROP A BOMB

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ON THEIR NUCLEAR REACTOR?

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>> Trump: I WOULD DO SOMETHING.

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YOU HAVE TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT
NORTH KOREA.

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NOW, WHAT I WOULD DO IS, I WOULD

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MAKE CHINA RESPECT US BECAUSE

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CHINA HAS EXTREME CONTROL OVER

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NORTH KOREA.

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AND I WOULD SAY, "CHINA, YOU

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BETTER GO IN THERE, AND YOU

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BETTER DO SOMETHING BECAUSE

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ECONOMICALLY IT COULD COST
CHINA."

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>> Pelley: AND THEY'RE GOING TO

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LISTEN TO DONALD TRUMP?

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>> Trump: WE D... YEAH, THEY'RE
GOING TO LISTEN TO ME.

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>> Pelley: THEY DON'T LISTEN TO

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PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED
STATES...

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>> Trump: THEY'RE GOING TO
LISTEN TO ME.

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>> Pelley: ...BUT DONALD TRUMP

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THEY'RE GOING TO LISTEN...
>> Trump: JUST LIKE I HAVE THE

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CHINESE BANKS IN MY BUILDINGS,

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THEY LISTEN TO ME, THEY RESPECT
ME.

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CHINA HAS ALMOST COMPLETE
CONTROL OVER NORTH KOREA.

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CHINA WILL DO THAT.

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AND IF THEY DON'T DO THAT, THEY

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HAVE TO SUFFER ECONOMICALLY

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BECAUSE WE HAVE THE ENGINE THAT
MAKES CHINA WORK.

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YOU KNOW, WITHOUT THE UNITED

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STATES OR WITHOUT CHINA SUCKING

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OUT ALL OUR MONEY AND OUR JOBS,

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CHINA WOULD COLLAPSE IN ABOUT
TWO MINUTES.

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>> Pelley: WHAT'S YOUR PLAN FOR
OBAMACARE?

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>> Trump: OBAMACARE'S GOING TO

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BE REPEALED AND REPLACED.

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OBAMACARE IS A DISASTER IF YOU

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LOOK AT WHAT'S GOING ON WITH

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PREMIUMS, WHERE THEY'RE UP 45%,

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50%, 55%.

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>> Pelley: HOW DO YOU FIX IT?

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>> Trump: THERE'S MANY DIFFERENT
WAYS.

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BY THE WAY, EVERYBODY'S GOT TO

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BE COVERED.

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THIS IS AN UN-REPUBLICAN THING

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FOR ME TO SAY BECAUSE A LOT OF

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TIMES, THEY SAY, "NO, NO, THE
LOWER 25%, THEY CAN'T AFFORD

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PRIVATE," BUT...
>> Pelley: UNIVERSAL HEALTH

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CARE.
>> Trump: ...I AM GOING TO TAKE

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CARE OF EVERYBODY.
I... I DON'T CARE IF IT COSTS ME

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VOTES OR NOT.

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EVERYBODY'S GOING TO BE TAKEN

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CARE OF MUCH BETTER THAN THEY'RE
TAKEN CARE OF NOW.

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>> Pelley: THE UNINSURED PERSON

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IS GOING TO BE TAKEN CARE OF,

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HOW?
HOW?

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>> Trump: THEY'RE GOING TO BE

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TAKEN CARE OF.
I WOULD MAKE A DEAL WITH

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EXISTING HOSPITALS TO TAKE CARE

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OF PEOPLE.
AND YOU KNOW WHAT?

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IF THIS IS PROBABLY...
>> Pelley: MAKE A DEAL?

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WHO PAYS FOR IT?

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>> Trump: THE GOVERNMENT'S GOING

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TO PAY FOR IT, BUT WE'RE GOING

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TO SAVE SO MUCH MONEY ON THE

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OTHER SIDE.

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BUT FOR THE MOST, IT'S GOING TO
BE A PRIVATE PLAN AND PEOPLE ARE

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GOING TO BE ABLE TO GO OUT AND

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NEGOTIATE GREAT PLANS WITH LOTS

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OF DIFFERENT COMPETITION WITH

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LOTS OF COMPETITORS WITH GREAT

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COMPANIES.

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AND THEY CAN HAVE THEIR DOCTORS,

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THEY CAN HAVE PLANS, THEY CAN
HAVE EVERYTHING.

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>> Pelley: IN YOUR BOOK, "THE

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AMERICA WE DESERVE," YOU

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PROPOSED RAISING THE SOCIAL

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SECURITY RETIREMENT AGE TO 70.

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IS THAT STILL YOUR PLAN?

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>> Trump: YEAH, NOT ANYMORE

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BECAUSE NOW WHAT I WANT TO DO IS
TAKE MONEY BACK FROM OTHER

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COUNTRIES THAT ARE KILLING US,
AND I WANT TO SAVE SOCIAL

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SECURITY.

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AND WE'RE GOING TO SAVE IT

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WITHOUT INCREASES.

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WE'RE NOT GOING TO RAISE THE

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AGE, AND IT WILL BE JUST FINE.

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>> Pelley: HOW ARE YOU GOING TO

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DO THAT?

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IT IS A BASKET CASE?

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>> Trump: THROUGH CAPABILITY.

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WE WILL SET IT UP BY MAKING OUR

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COUNTRY RICH AGAIN.

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>> Pelley: YOU KNOW, THE... THE

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HEART OF ALL OF YOUR PLANS SEEMS

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TO BE, "WE'RE GOING TO BE RICH."

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>> Trump: WE ARE GOING TO DO
GREAT.

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AS A COUNTRY, WE ARE GOING TO DO

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GREAT.
>> Pelley: YOU KNOW, NEITHER

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PARTY LIKES YOU VERY MUCH.
HOW ARE YOU GOING TO GET...

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>> Trump: I WOULD SAY THAT'S
TRUE, YES.

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>> Pelley: HOW ARE YOU GOING TO

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GET ANYTHING THROUGH CONGRESS?

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>> Trump: WHEN YOU SAY THE
PARTY, THE ESTABLISHMENT

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DOESN'T.
FOR INSTANCE, I NOTICED THAT...

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THAT...

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>> Pelley: WELL, THAT'S WHO
CONGRESS IS.

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HOW ARE YOU GOING TO GET
ANYTHING...

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>> Trump: THAT'S... OH, I'LL GET

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ALONG.
I GET... I'VE GOTTEN ALONG WITH

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00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:49,000
POLITICIANS MY WHOLE LIFE.

491
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I'VE MADE A FORTUNE ON
POLITICIANS.

492
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NOBODY KNOWS POLITICIANS BETTER

493
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THAN I DO.

494
00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:54,000
I GET ALONG WITH POLITICIANS.

495
00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:56,000
>> Pelley: YOU'RE NOT GOING TO
BE ABLE TO BUY THEM ANYMORE.

496
00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:57,000
>> Trump: NO, NO, I'M NOT GOING
TO BUY THEM.

497
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I'M NOT GOING TO BUY THEM.
I'LL GET ALONG WITH THEM.

498
00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:00,000
YOU'VE GOT TO GET ALONG, AND

499
00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:01,000
YOU'VE GOT TO GET PEOPLE TO DO
WHAT YOU... IT'S CALLED

500
00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:02,000
LEADERSHIP.

501
00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:07,000
WE DON'T HAVE ANY LEADERSHIP
RIGHT NOW.

502
00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:11,000
>> Pelley: IN DALLAS THIS MONTH,

503
00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:14,000
HE NEARLY FILLED A 20,000-SEAT
ARENA.

504
00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:15,000
OUR POLL SHOWS THAT HIS SUPPORT

505
00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:17,000
EXTENDS FROM REPUBLICANS TO

506
00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:18,000
INDEPENDENTS, YOUNG AND OLD,

507
00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:21,000
EVANGELICAL AND NOT.

508
00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:23,000
BUT HIS POLL NUMBERS DID SLIP

509
00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:25,000
SLIGHTLY LAST WEEK, AND

510
00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:27,000
NATIONALLY AMONG ALL VOTERS,

511
00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:29,000
MAJORITIES OF BLACKS AND

512
00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:32,000
HISPANICS DISAPPROVE.

513
00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:33,000
TRUMP TOLD US HE WILL PAY FOR

514
00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:34,000
HIS CAMPAIGN ALL THE WAY THROUGH

515
00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:35,000
THE NOMINATION.

516
00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:37,000
>> Trump: YEAH, I'M TOTALLY

517
00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:38,000
WILLING TO... I'M SELF-FUNDING

518
00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:43,000
MY CAMPAIGN.

519
00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:48,000
NOW, ONCE YOU GET THE

520
00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:49,000
NOMINATION, THEN THE REPUBLICAN
PARTY KICKS IN AND THEY RAISE

521
00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:50,000
ALL THIS MONEY, AND THEY DO
WHATEVER THEY HAVE TO DO.

522
00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:51,000
BUT I AM ABSOLUTELY 100% DOING

523
00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:52,000
IT MYSELF.
>> Pelley: YOU LOVE HEARING

524
00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:53,000
ABOUT YOURSELF.
>> Trump: I DO.

525
00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:55,000
>> Pelley: IT IS OXYGEN TO YOU.

526
00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:56,000
WHAT DOES THAT TELL US ABOUT
DONALD TRUMP?

527
00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:58,000
>> Trump: NO, IF I'M ON A SHOW,

528
00:12:58,000 --> 00:12:59,000
I'LL TURN ON THE SHOW.

529
00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:00,000
BUT I DON'T THINK I'M ANY

530
00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:01,000
DIFFERENT THAN ANYBODY ELSE.
IF SOMEBODY'S...

531
00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:03,000
>> Pelley: I WAS IN YOUR OFFICE.

532
00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:04,000
ALL THE MAGAZINES ON YOUR

533
00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:05,000
DESK...

534
00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:06,000
>> Trump: WELL, I HAVE A LOT OF
COVERS.

535
00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:07,000
>> Pelley: ...ARE COVERS OF YOU.

536
00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:08,000
>> Trump: I THINK I HAVE MORE

537
00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:10,000
COVERS...
>> Pelley: ALL THE PICTURES ON

538
00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:11,000
THE WALL ARE PICTURES OF YOU.

539
00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:12,000
>> Trump: WELL, IT'S CHEAPER

540
00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:13,000
THAN WALLPAPER.
>> Pelley: WHAT ARE WE SUPPOSED

541
00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:14,000
TO TAKE FROM THAT?

542
00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:17,000
>> Trump: YOU KNOW, LOOK, I'M ON

543
00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:18,000
A LOT OF COVERS-- I THINK MAYBE

544
00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:19,000
MORE THAN ALMOST ANY SUPERMODEL.
I THINK MORE THAN ANY

545
00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:20,000
SUPERMODEL.

546
00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:21,000
BUT IN A WAY, THAT IS A SIGN OF

547
00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:22,000
RESPECT.
PEOPLE ARE RESPECTING WHAT YOU

548
00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:24,000
ARE DOING.

549
00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:29,000
>> Pelley: SO, THIS IS THE

550
00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:30,000
CORNER OFFICE AT 5th AVENUE AND

551
00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:31,000
57th, PROBABLY THE MOST

552
00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:32,000
EXPENSIVE INTERSECTION IN THE
WORLD.

553
00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:33,000
>> Trump: I WOULD SAY IT IS,

554
00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:35,000
ABSOLUTELY.
>> Pelley: BUT THERE ISN'T

555
00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:36,000
ENOUGH RESPECT, HE TOLD US, FOR

556
00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:38,000
THE BUSINESS HE BUILT.

557
00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:43,000
TRUMP REAL ESTATE SCRAPES THE

558
00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:45,000
SKIES OF THE WORLD-- APARTMENTS,

559
00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:46,000
OFFICES, HOTELS, CASINOS, FAMOUS

560
00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:47,000
GOLF COURSES AND TELEVISION

561
00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:51,000
SHOWS.
HE STARTED WITH HIS FATHER'S

562
00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:53,000
SUCCESSFUL REAL ESTATE, AND NOW

563
00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:58,000
TRUMP SAYS HE'S WORTH $10

564
00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:00,000
BILLION.

565
00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:01,000
OTHERS ESTIMATE $4 BILLION--

566
00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:02,000
REAL ESTATE VALUES ARE
NOTORIOUSLY VARIABLE.

567
00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:03,000
AND YOUR FATHER ALSO USED TO

568
00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:04,000
TELL YOU, IF I HAVE THIS RIGHT,

569
00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:05,000
"ATTACK, ATTACK, ATTACK."

570
00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:07,000
>> Trump: I'LL TELL YOU WHAT--

571
00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:08,000
MY FATHER WAS A REALLY GOOD MAN

572
00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:10,000
WITH A TREMENDOUS HEART, BUT HE
WAS A TOUGH COOKIE.

573
00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:12,000
>> Pelley: WITH A TOUGHER HIDE,

574
00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:13,000
PERHAPS, THAN HIS SON, WHO HAS

575
00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:14,000
SOMETIMES GONE TO WAR WITH

576
00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:15,000
REPORTERS.

577
00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:18,000
WHY SO THIN-SKINNED?

578
00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:19,000
>> Trump: I DON'T LIKE LIES.

579
00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:23,000
I... I DON'T MIND A BAD STORY.

580
00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:25,000
IF YOU DID A BAD STORY ON ME FOR

581
00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:26,000
"60 MINUTES," IF IT WERE A FAIR

582
00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:27,000
STORY, I WOULDN'T BE THIN-

583
00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:28,000
SKINNED AT ALL.

584
00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:30,000
YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE MEDIA IS

585
00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:31,000
AMONG THE WORST PEOPLE I'VE EVER
MET.

586
00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:33,000
AND I MEAN A PRETTY GOOD

587
00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:34,000
PERCENTAGE IS REALLY A TERRIBLE

588
00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:35,000
GROUP OF PEOPLE.

589
00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:36,000
THEY WRITE LIES, THEY WRITE

590
00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:37,000
FALSE STORIES.

591
00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:38,000
THEY KNOW THEY'RE FALSE.

592
00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:43,000
IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE.

593
00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:44,000
AND FRANKLY, I DON'T CALL IT

594
00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:45,000
THIN-SKINNED; I'M ANGRY.

595
00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:47,000
>> Pelley: AN IMPRESSION IS

596
00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:48,000
CREATED, THOUGH, THAT YOU LIKE

597
00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:49,000
TO DISH IT OUT BUT YOU CAN'T

598
00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:50,000
TAKE A PUNCH.

599
00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:51,000
>> Trump: OH, I THINK I CAN TAKE

600
00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:52,000
IT.

601
00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:54,000
I... I COULD TAKE IT IF IT'S
FAIR.

602
00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:55,000
AGAIN, IF PEOPLE SAY THINGS THAT

603
00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:57,000
ARE FALSE-- WHICH HAPPENS A LOT

604
00:14:57,000 --> 00:15:00,000
WITH ME-- IF PEOPLE SAY THINGS

605
00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:02,000
THAT ARE FALSE, I WILL FIGHT,

606
00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:04,000
LIKE, HARDER THAN ANYBODY.

607
00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:06,000
IF I DO SOMETHING WRONG-- AND

608
00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:07,000
THAT HAPPENS-- AND THEY WRITE A

609
00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:08,000
FAIR STORY THAT I DID SOMETHING

610
00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:09,000
WRONG, THERE'S NOTHING TO FIGHT

611
00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:10,000
ABOUT.
I CAN HANDLE THAT.

612
00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:12,000
I DON'T LIKE LYING.

613
00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:13,000
YOU KNOW, I'M A VERY HONORABLE
GUY.

614
00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:17,000
I DON'T LIKE LIES.

615
00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:19,000
>> Pelley: WHAT PERSONAL

616
00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:22,000
HARDSHIP HAS DEFINED YOUR
CHARACTER?

617
00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:24,000
>> Trump: WELL, I THINK I'VE HAD

618
00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:25,000
SOME, BUT I HAD A BROTHER WHO

619
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WAS A FANTASTIC GUY, FRED.

620
00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:31,000
AND HE WAS A YOUNG MAN, AND HE

621
00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:32,000
PASSED AWAY AT A FAIRLY YOUNG

622
00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:33,000
AGE, AND HE WAS AN ALCOHOLIC.

623
00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:38,000
HE WOULD TELL ME CONSTANTLY,

624
00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:39,000
"DON'T DRINK."

625
00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:40,000
AND I'VE NEVER HAD A DRINK.

626
00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:41,000
I OWN THE LARGEST WINERY ON THE

627
00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:42,000
EAST COAST AND YET I DON'T

628
00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:43,000
DRINK, WHICH IS A LITTLE WEIRD.

629
00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:44,000
BUT HE'D SAY, "DON'T DRINK,

630
00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:46,000
DON'T SMOKE."

631
00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:47,000
AND HE WOULD TELL ME ALL THE

632
00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:48,000
TIME BECAUSE HE HAD A PROBLEM

633
00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:50,000
WITH IT.
HE DIED OF ALCOHOLISM.

634
00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:52,000
>> Pelley: THAT IS A WARNING

635
00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:53,000
THAT HE'S PRESSED ON HIS

636
00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:54,000
CHILDREN, THREE OF WHOM RUN HIS

637
00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:55,000
COMPANIES.

638
00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:56,000
>> Trump: I HAVE CHILDREN THAT

639
00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:58,000
ARE VERY GOOD CHILDREN.

640
00:15:58,000 --> 00:15:59,000
AND... AND SO FAR, I KNOCK ON
WOOD.

641
00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:00,000
RIGHT, YOU KNOW, WHO KNOWS?

642
00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:01,000
>> Pelley: VERY ACCOMPLISHED,

643
00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:03,000
YOUR THREE OLDER CHILDREN.
>> Trump: TERRIFIC PEOPLE.

644
00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:05,000
BUT I SAY, "NO DRUGS, NO

645
00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:06,000
ALCOHOL, NO CIGARETTES."

646
00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:08,000
>> Pelley: MILLIONS OF PEOPLE

647
00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:11,000
ARE WONDERING RIGHT NOW WHETHER

648
00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:13,000
YOU ARE SERIOUS OR WHETHER THIS

649
00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:15,000
IS A REALITY SHOW.

650
00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:17,000
YESTERDAY, YOU SAID, "IF THE

651
00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:18,000
PRESIDENCY DOESN'T WORK OUT,

652
00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:20,000
I'LL GO BACK TO MY BUSINESS."

653
00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:22,000
>> Trump: WELL, THAT'S TRUE.
>> Pelley: DO YOU INTEND...

654
00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:23,000
>> Trump: I MEAN, THAT'S TRUE.

655
00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:24,000
I CAN'T GUARANTEE THAT...

656
00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:25,000
>> Pelley: ...TO BE PRESIDENT,
OR NOT?
>> Trump: TOTALLY.

657
00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:26,000
BUT THAT'S TRUE.

658
00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:28,000
I ALWAYS LIKE TO HAVE A
DOWNSIDE.

659
00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:30,000
I LOVE MY BUSINESS.

660
00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:31,000
I DIDN'T WANT TO DO THIS; I JUST

661
00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:32,000
SEE OUR COUNTRY AS GOING TO

662
00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:35,000
HELL, AND I FELT I HAD TO DO IT.