>> Pelley: PICTURE A BAR GRAPH
THAT AVERAGES THE BEST POLITICAL
POLLS.
DONALD TRUMP STANDS ABOVE THE
CROWDED SKYLINE OF REPUBLICAN
CANDIDATES LIKE ONE OF HIS
BOASTFUL BUILDINGS.
FIRST IN THE NATION, FIRST IN
IOWA, FIRST IN NEW HAMPSHIRE,
AND FIRST FOR THE LAST 11 WEEKS.
POLITICAL ARCHITECTS ARE AMAZED
BECAUSE TRUMP ROSE ON A SHAKY FOUNDATION.
HIS "SHOOT FROM THE LIP" STYLE
MANAGED TO OFFEND WOMEN,
LATINOS, AND AMERICAN P.O.W.s.
NOW, WITH SUMMER OVER AND FOUR
MONTHS TO IOWA, VOTERS
CAPTIVATED BY A LARGER-THAN-LIFE
PERSONALITY BEGIN TO WANT THE
FINE DETAILS.
THAT'S WHAT WE WERE LOOKING FOR
THIS PAST TUESDAY WHEN WE MET
TRUMP, ON TOP, IN HIS FIFTH
AVENUE PENTHOUSE IN MANHATTAN.
HE SURPRISED US WITH NEWS ABOUT HIS TAX PLAN.
SO, NOW YOU'VE GOT EVERYBODY'S ATTENTION.
>> Donald Trump: I DO HAVE THEIR
ATTENTION.
>> Pelley: REVOLUTION IS EASY,
GOVERNING IS HARD.
AND WHAT I'D LIKE TO GET TO IS
HOW YOU INTEND TO GOVERN THE
COUNTRY IF YOU ARE ELECTED PRESIDENT.
WHAT'S YOUR TAX PLAN?
>> Trump: IT'S A SUBSTANTIAL
REDUCTION FOR THE MIDDLE-INCOME
PEOPLE, BECAUSE OUR MIDDLE
CLASS, SCOTT, IS BEING
ABSOLUTELY DECIMATED.
IT WILL BE A CORPORATE ALSO
REDUCTION. I THINK IT'LL BE A GREAT INCENTIVE FOR CORPORATIONS.
>> Pelley: WHO ARE YOU GOING TO
RAISE TAXES ON?
>> Trump: IF YOU LOOK AT
ACTUALLY RAISE, SOME VERY
WEALTHY ARE GOING TO BE RAISED.
SOME PEOPLE THAT ARE GETTING
UNFAIR DEDUCTIONS ARE GOING TO BE RAISED.
BUT OVERALL, IT'S GOING TO BE A
TREMENDOUS INCENTIVE TO GROW THE
ECONOMY, AND WE'RE GOING TO TAKE
IN THE SAME OR MORE MONEY.
AND I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE
SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE
SPECTACULAR.
>> Pelley: BUT REPUBLICANS DON'T
RAISE TAXES.
>> Trump: WELL, WE'RE NOT RAISING TAXES.
>> Pelley: WHAT KIND OF REPUBLICAN ARE YOU?
>> Trump: I MEAN, THE ONLY...
WELL, I'M A PRETTY GOOD
REPUBLICAN, BUT I WILL TELL YOU
THIS-- I DO HAVE SOME
DIFFERENCES.
I DON'T WANT TO HAVE CERTAIN
PEOPLE ON WALL STREET GETTING
AWAY WITH PAYING NO TAX.
>> Pelley: YOU SAY YOU'RE GOING TO LOWER TAXES ON THE MIDDLE
CLASS. WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT?
>> Trump: WELL, WE'RE TALKING
ABOUT NUMBERS THAT WILL BE
ANNOUNCED OVER THE NEXT TWO
DAYS, AND THEY'LL BE SIGNIFICANT
FOR THE MIDDLE CLASS.
>> Pelley: DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE
NUMBERS ARE? >> Trump: I KNOW THEM RIGHT NOW.
>> Pelley: WELL, WHY DON'T YOU
TELL ME?
THIS IS "60 MINUTES."
IT'S TIME TO TELL THE FOLKS AT
HOME THE DETAILS OF WHAT YOU
INTEND TO DO. >> Trump: I KNOW, I KNOW.
I WILL SAY THIS-- THERE WILL BE A LARGE SEGMENT OF OUR COUNTRY
THAT WILL HAVE A ZERO RATE, A
ZERO RATE.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING I HAVEN'T
TOLD ANYBODY. >> Pelley: YOU'RE TALKING
ABOUT...
>> Trump: WE'RE TALKING ABOUT
PEOPLE IN THE LOW-INCOME
BRACKETS THAT ARE SUPPOSED TO BE PAYING TAXES.
MANY OF THEM DON'T ANYWAY.
>> Pelley: YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT
MAKING PART OF THE POPULATION
EXEMPT FROM INCOME TAX. >> Trump: THAT IS CORRECT.
>> Pelley: YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT
CUTTING CORPORATE INCOME TAXES? >> Trump: THAT IS CORRECT.
>> Pelley: BUT THERE'S A
$19 TRILLION FEDERAL DEBT. >> Trump: THAT'S RIGHT.
WE'RE GOING TO GROW THE ECONOMY SO MUCH...
>> Pelley: YOU CAN'T AFFORD TO
DO THOSE THINGS. >> Trump: NO, NO, BUT IF THE
ECONOMY GROWS THE WAY IT SHOULD
GROW, IF I BRING JOBS BACK FROM
CHINA, FROM JAPAN, FROM MEXICO,
FROM SO MANY COUNTRIES; EVERYBODY'S TAKING OUR JOBS.
>> Pelley: HOW DO YOU GET THEM
BACK... >> Trump: YOU GET THEM BACK...
>> Pelley: ...THOSE $20 AN HOUR
JOBS THAT THIS COUNTRY WAS BUILT ON?
>> Trump: RIGHT.
EXACTLY.
YOU GET THEM BACK BY TAKING THEM AWAY FROM OTHER COUNTRIES.
I MEAN, IF YOU LOOK AT CHINA, WE HAVE...
>> Pelley: HOW DOES THE PRESIDENT DO THAT?
>> Trump: WELL, THE PRESIDENT
DOES IT BY NOT ALLOWING PLACES
LIKE CHINA TO DEVALUATE... YOU
KNOW, THEY DEVALUE THEIR
CURRENCY, SCOTT, TO SUCH AN
EXTENT THAT IT'S IMPOSSIBLE FOR
OUR COMPANIES TO COMPETE.
EVERY TIME THEY DO THAT, THEY
SUCK THE BLOOD RIGHT OUT OF OUR
COUNTRY. >> Pelley: YOU'RE NOT RUNNING
FOR PRESIDENT OF CHINA.
>> Trump: NO, I'M RUNNING...
>> Pelley: YOU'RE NOT GOING TO
BE ABLE TO PREVENT THE
DEVALUATION OF THEIR CURRENCY.
>> Trump: OH, ABSOLUTELY.
SURE YOU ARE, SURE YOU ARE.
LOOK, THEY DON'T RESPECT OUR
PRESIDENT, THEY DON'T RESPECT
OUR COUNTRY. THEY WILL RESPECT ME.
THEY WON'T BE DOING IT, BUT
HERE'S WHAT WE HAVE TO DO-- IF
THEY DON'T COME TO THE TABLE,
THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A TAX WHEN
THEY PUT THEIR PRODUCTS INTO
THIS COUNTRY.
AND THEY'RE GOING TO BEHAVE. >> Pelley: SO, YOU WOULD TAX
THEIR... >> Trump: I WOULD.
>> Pelley: ...PRODUCTS COMING INTO THE UNITED STATES.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A TRADE
WAR.
>> Trump: I DON'T WANT TO SAY TAX ANYTHING.
I'M TALKING ABOUT A FAIR WAR.
I'M TALKING ABOUT ALSO, I HAVE
THE SMARTEST PEOPLE ON WALL
STREET LINED UP ALREADY.
THEY'RE GOING TO REPRESENT US ON
JAPAN, ON MEXICO.
MEXICO, BY THE WAY, IS TAKING OUR JOBS.
I LOVE THE MEXICAN PEOPLE.
THEY'RE GREAT PEOPLE.
BUT THE LEADERSHIP IS TOO SMART FOR OUR COUNTRY.
FORD MOTOR COMPANY, MOVING A
$2.5 BILLION PLANT TO MEXICO.
MEXICO...
>> Pelley: BUT THERE'S NOTHING
YOU CAN DO ABOUT THAT AS PRESIDENT.
>> Trump: SURE THERE IS.
>> Pelley: HOW DO YOU KEEP THEM
FROM EXPORTING AMERICAN JOBS TO MEXICO?
>> Trump: LET'S SAY FORD...
LET'S SAY FORD MOVES TO MEXICO.
IF THEY WANT TO SELL THAT CAR IN
THE UNITED STATES, THEY PAY A TAX.
HERE'S WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN:
THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BUILD THEIR PLANT THERE.
THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD IT IN THE UNITED STATES.
>> Pelley: BUT THERE IS A NORTH
AMERICAN FREE TRADE AGREEMENT.
>> Trump: AND THERE SHOULDN'T
BE. IT'S A DISASTER.
>> Pelley: BUT IT IS THERE.
>> Trump: OKAY, YEAH, BUT...
>> Pelley: IF YOU'RE PRESIDENT,
YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO LIVE
WITH IT. >> Trump: EXCUSE ME, WE WILL
EITHER RENEGOTIATE IT OR WE WILL
BREAK IT.
BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, EVERY
AGREEMENT HAS AN END. >> Pelley: YOU CAN'T JUST BREAK
THE LAW.
>> Trump: EXCUSE ME, EVERY AGREEMENT HAS AN END.
EVERY AGREEMENT HAS TO BE FAIR.
EVERY AGREEMENT HAS A DEFRAUD
CLAUSE.
WE'RE BEING DEFRAUDED BY ALL
THESE COUNTRIES. >> Pelley: IT'S CALLED FREE
TRADE... >> Trump: NO, IT'S NOT.
>> Pelley: ...AND IT IS A
PLANK...
>> Trump: IT'S NOT THE... >> Pelley: ...OF THE REPUBLICAN
PLATFORM. >> Trump: SCOTT, WE NEED FAIR
TRADE, NOT FREE TRADE.
WE NEED FAIR TRADE.
IT'S GOT TO BE FAIR.
>> Pelley: TRUMP'S DIFFERENCES
WITH REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS
HAVE HIM RISING ON A MOOD OF
NATIONAL FRUSTRATION.
IN OUR CBS NEWS POLL, NEARLY
HALF OF REPUBLICANS IN THE EARLY
PRIMARY STATES SAY THEY'RE NOT
DISSATISFIED WITH WASHINGTON,
THEY'RE ANGRY.
THEY TELL US THAT BUSINESS
KNOW HOW MATTERS MUCH MORE THAN
A POLITICAL RESUME.
AND WHEN THEY SEE THE
MULTIBILLIONAIRE IN HIS PRIVATE
757, 80% OF REPUBLICANS SAY THEY
SEE A STRONG LEADER.
>> Trump: SO, I WANT TO BUILD OUR COUNTRY.
OUR COUNTRY'S BEEN DECIMATED.
WE HAVE SPENT SO MUCH MONEY IN
THE MIDDLE EAST AND OTHER
PLACES.
WE... OUR ROADS ARE FALLING
APART, OUR BRIDGES ARE FALLING
APART, EVERYTHING'S FALLING APART.
WE HAVE TO REBUILD OUR COUNTRY.
>> Pelley: THIS SOUNDS GREAT.
HOW ARE YOU GOING TO PAY FOR IT?
>> Trump: WE'RE GOING TO
ABSOLUTELY BE ABLE TO PAY FOR IT.
MY ECONOMY WILL EXPAND SO
RAPIDLY, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE
JOBS BACK FROM OTHER COUNTRIES
AND WE WILL BE ABLE TO PAY FOR
IT.
>> Pelley: ARE YOU SERIOUS ABOUT
DEPORTING 12 MILLION ILLEGAL
IMMIGRANTS?
>> Trump: WELL, NOBODY KNOWS THE
NUMBER, BUT THE ANSWER IS-- YOU
JUST SAID IT, THEY'RE ILLEGAL
IMMIGRANTS. THEY'RE HERE ILLEGALLY.
FIRST OF ALL, I HAVE TO START A
LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY. WE'RE GOING TO BUILD A WALL, AND
WE'RE GOING TO CREATE A BORDER.
IT'S GOING TO BE A GREAT WALL, AND IT'S NOT GOING TO BE VERY
EXPENSIVE.
AND IT'S GOING TO BE PEANUTS
COMPARED TO THE KIND OF NUMBERS, YOU KNOW?
>> Pelley: HOW ARE YOU GOING TO
BUILD A WALL... >> Trump: IT'S CALLED
MANAGEMENT.
>> Pelley: ...THAT IS CHEAP AND
IMPENETRABLE?
>> Trump: IT WILL BE A REAL WALL.
IT'LL BE A WALL THAT WORKS.
IT'LL ACTUALLY BE A WALL THAT
WILL LOOK GOOD, BELIEVE IT OR
NOT, BECAUSE WHAT THEY HAVE NOW
IS A JOKE.
THEY'RE... THEY'RE UGLY, LITTLE AND DON'T WORK.
>> Pelley: LET'S ASSUME YOUR
WALL HAS GONE UP. >> Trump: GOOD.
>> Pelley: 11 MILLION, 12
MILLION ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS...
>> Trump: OR WHATEVER THE NUMBER IS.
>> Pelley: ...STILL IN THE
COUNTRY. WHAT DO YOU DO?
>> Trump: IF THEY'VE DONE WELL,
THEY'RE GOING OUT AND THEY'RE
COMING BACK IN LEGALLY.
BECAUSE YOU SAID IT... >> Pelley: YOU'RE ROUNDING THEM
ALL UP.
>> Trump: WE'RE ROUNDING THEM UP
IN A VERY HUMANE WAY, IN A VERY
NICE WAY. AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE HAPPY
BECAUSE THEY WANT TO BE
LEGALIZED.
AND... AND, BY THE WAY, I KNOW
IT DOESN'T SOUND NICE, BUT NOT
EVERYTHING IS NICE.
>> Pelley: IT DOESN'T SOUND
PRACTICAL. >> Trump: IT IS PRACTICAL.
IT'S GOING TO WORK.
THEY HAVE TO COME HERE LEGALLY.
AND YOU KNOW, WHEN I TALK ABOUT
THE WALL-- AND I SAID IT
BEFORE-- WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A
TREMENDOUS, BEAUTIFUL, WIDE OPEN
DOOR. NICE BIG DOOR. WE WANT PEOPLE TO COME INTO THE
COUNTRY.
>> Pelley: YOU KNOW, THE PROBLEM
WITH A LOT OF THESE IDEAS IS
THAT THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES IS NOT THE C.E.O. OF
AMERICA. >> Trump: THAT'S RIGHT.
>> Pelley: THE CONSTITUTION IS GOING TO TELL YOU NO.
>> Trump: WE'LL SEE.
>> Pelley: THE CONGRESS IS GOING TO TELL YOU NO.
>> Trump: WE'LL SEE. >> Pelley: THE SUPREME COURT IS
GOING TO TELL YOU NO. >> Trump: WELL, WE'LL SEE.
>> Pelley: AND YOU'RE NOT USED
TO WORKING IN AN ENVIRONMENT LIKE THAT.
>> Trump: LOOK, I DO IT ALL THE
TIME. >> Pelley: WHO TELLS YOU NO?
>> Trump: I DO IT ALL THE TIME.
NOT THAT MANY PEOPLE.
I DO IT ALL THE TIME. AND I DEAL WITH GOVERNMENTS ALL
THE TIME.
I HAVE... OVERSEAS, I HAVE VAST
HOLDINGS OVERSEAS.
>> Pelley: WHAT IS THE ROLE OF
THE U.S. MILITARY IN THE WORLD?
>> Trump: I WANT TO HAVE A
MILITARY THAT'S SO STRONG, SO
POWERFUL, SO MODERN, HAS THE
GREATEST EQUIPMENT IN THE WORLD,
AND THAT EVERYBODY SAYS, "WE'RE
NOT GOING TO MESS WITH THEM."
AND WE DON'T HAVE THAT NOW.
>> Pelley: WHEN HAS THE U.S.
MILITARY BEEN TOO SMALL TO
ACCOMPLISH ITS MISSION?
>> Trump: IT'S NOT A QUESTION OF
TOO SMALL. >> Pelley: WE'RE...
>> Trump: WE... WE DON'T HAVE
LEADERSHIP.
>> Pelley: WE'RE AT WAR WITH
ISIS AS WE SIT HERE.
HOW DO YOU END IT?
>> Trump: I WOULD END ISIS
FORCEFULLY.
I THINK ISIS... WHAT THEY DID
WAS UNBELIEVABLE, WHAT THEY DID
WITH JAMES FOLEY AND THE CUTTING
OFF OF HEADS OF EVERYBODY.
I MEAN, THESE PEOPLE ARE TOTALLY
A DISASTER.
NOW, LET ME JUST SAY THIS-- ISIS
IN SYRIA, ASSAD IN SYRIA, ASSAD
AND ISIS ARE MORTAL ENEMIES.
WE GO IN TO FIGHT ISIS.
WHY AREN'T WE LETTING ISIS GO
AND FIGHT ASSAD, AND THEN WE
PICK UP THE REMNANTS? WHY ARE WE DOING THIS?
WE'RE FIGHTING ISIS, AND ASSAD
HAS TO BE SAYING TO HIMSELF,
"THEY ARE THE NICEST OR DUMBEST
PEOPLE THAT I'VE EVER IMAGINED."
>> Pelley: LET ME GET THIS
RIGHT-- SO WE LAY OFF ISIS FOR NOW...
>> Trump: EXCUSE ME, LET...
>> Pelley: ...LAY OFF IN SYRIA,
LET THEM DESTROY ASSAD, AND THEN
WE GO IN BEHIND THAT.
>> Trump: THAT'S WHAT I WOULD SAY.
YES, THAT'S WHAT I WOULD SAY.
>> Pelley: OR, HE HAD ANOTHER
IDEA-- LEAVE IT TO AN OLD
ADVERSARY.
>> Trump: IF YOU LOOK AT SYRIA, RUSSIA WANTS TO GET RID OF ISIS.
WE WANT TO GET RID OF ISIS.
MAYBE LET RUSSIA DO IT. LET THEM GET RID OF ISIS.
WHAT THE HELL DO WE CARE?
>> Pelley: OKAY, THAT'S SYRIA.
WHAT DO YOU DO IN IRAQ... >> Trump: WITH THAT...
>> Pelley: ...WITH ISIS?
>> Trump: LOOK, WITH ISIS IN
IRAQ, YOU'VE GOT TO KNOCK THEM OUT.
YOU'VE GOT TO KNOCK THEM OUT.
YOU'VE GOT TO FIGHT THEM.
YOU HAVE TO STAND... >> Pelley: ON THE GROUND?
>> Trump: IF YOU NEED, YOU'RE
GOING TO HAVE TO DO THAT, YES. >> Pelley: TROOPS ON THE GROUND.
>> Trump: YES.
>> Pelley: 15 YEARS AGO, HE
ADVOCATED A PREEMPTIVE STRIKE ON
NORTH KOREA'S NUCLEAR PROGRAM,
WHICH HE STILL SEES AS A MAJOR
THREAT.
>> Trump: WELL, YOU'RE GOING TO
HAVE TO DO SOMETHING AT SOME
POINT. >> Pelley: YOU WOULD DROP A BOMB
ON THEIR NUCLEAR REACTOR?
>> Trump: I WOULD DO SOMETHING.
YOU HAVE TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT NORTH KOREA.
NOW, WHAT I WOULD DO IS, I WOULD
MAKE CHINA RESPECT US BECAUSE
CHINA HAS EXTREME CONTROL OVER
NORTH KOREA.
AND I WOULD SAY, "CHINA, YOU
BETTER GO IN THERE, AND YOU
BETTER DO SOMETHING BECAUSE
ECONOMICALLY IT COULD COST CHINA."
>> Pelley: AND THEY'RE GOING TO
LISTEN TO DONALD TRUMP?
>> Trump: WE D... YEAH, THEY'RE GOING TO LISTEN TO ME.
>> Pelley: THEY DON'T LISTEN TO
PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES...
>> Trump: THEY'RE GOING TO LISTEN TO ME.
>> Pelley: ...BUT DONALD TRUMP
THEY'RE GOING TO LISTEN... >> Trump: JUST LIKE I HAVE THE
CHINESE BANKS IN MY BUILDINGS,
THEY LISTEN TO ME, THEY RESPECT ME.
CHINA HAS ALMOST COMPLETE CONTROL OVER NORTH KOREA.
CHINA WILL DO THAT.
AND IF THEY DON'T DO THAT, THEY
HAVE TO SUFFER ECONOMICALLY
BECAUSE WE HAVE THE ENGINE THAT MAKES CHINA WORK.
YOU KNOW, WITHOUT THE UNITED
STATES OR WITHOUT CHINA SUCKING
OUT ALL OUR MONEY AND OUR JOBS,
CHINA WOULD COLLAPSE IN ABOUT TWO MINUTES.
>> Pelley: WHAT'S YOUR PLAN FOR OBAMACARE?
>> Trump: OBAMACARE'S GOING TO
BE REPEALED AND REPLACED.
OBAMACARE IS A DISASTER IF YOU
LOOK AT WHAT'S GOING ON WITH
PREMIUMS, WHERE THEY'RE UP 45%,
50%, 55%.
>> Pelley: HOW DO YOU FIX IT?
>> Trump: THERE'S MANY DIFFERENT WAYS.
BY THE WAY, EVERYBODY'S GOT TO
BE COVERED.
THIS IS AN UN-REPUBLICAN THING
FOR ME TO SAY BECAUSE A LOT OF
TIMES, THEY SAY, "NO, NO, THE LOWER 25%, THEY CAN'T AFFORD
PRIVATE," BUT... >> Pelley: UNIVERSAL HEALTH
CARE. >> Trump: ...I AM GOING TO TAKE
CARE OF EVERYBODY. I... I DON'T CARE IF IT COSTS ME
VOTES OR NOT.
EVERYBODY'S GOING TO BE TAKEN
CARE OF MUCH BETTER THAN THEY'RE TAKEN CARE OF NOW.
>> Pelley: THE UNINSURED PERSON
IS GOING TO BE TAKEN CARE OF,
HOW? HOW?
>> Trump: THEY'RE GOING TO BE
TAKEN CARE OF. I WOULD MAKE A DEAL WITH
EXISTING HOSPITALS TO TAKE CARE
OF PEOPLE. AND YOU KNOW WHAT?
IF THIS IS PROBABLY... >> Pelley: MAKE A DEAL?
WHO PAYS FOR IT?
>> Trump: THE GOVERNMENT'S GOING
TO PAY FOR IT, BUT WE'RE GOING
TO SAVE SO MUCH MONEY ON THE
OTHER SIDE.
BUT FOR THE MOST, IT'S GOING TO BE A PRIVATE PLAN AND PEOPLE ARE
GOING TO BE ABLE TO GO OUT AND
NEGOTIATE GREAT PLANS WITH LOTS
OF DIFFERENT COMPETITION WITH
LOTS OF COMPETITORS WITH GREAT
COMPANIES.
AND THEY CAN HAVE THEIR DOCTORS,
THEY CAN HAVE PLANS, THEY CAN HAVE EVERYTHING.
>> Pelley: IN YOUR BOOK, "THE
AMERICA WE DESERVE," YOU
PROPOSED RAISING THE SOCIAL
SECURITY RETIREMENT AGE TO 70.
IS THAT STILL YOUR PLAN?
>> Trump: YEAH, NOT ANYMORE
BECAUSE NOW WHAT I WANT TO DO IS TAKE MONEY BACK FROM OTHER
COUNTRIES THAT ARE KILLING US, AND I WANT TO SAVE SOCIAL
SECURITY.
AND WE'RE GOING TO SAVE IT
WITHOUT INCREASES.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO RAISE THE
AGE, AND IT WILL BE JUST FINE.
>> Pelley: HOW ARE YOU GOING TO
DO THAT?
IT IS A BASKET CASE?
>> Trump: THROUGH CAPABILITY.
WE WILL SET IT UP BY MAKING OUR
COUNTRY RICH AGAIN.
>> Pelley: YOU KNOW, THE... THE
HEART OF ALL OF YOUR PLANS SEEMS
TO BE, "WE'RE GOING TO BE RICH."
>> Trump: WE ARE GOING TO DO GREAT.
AS A COUNTRY, WE ARE GOING TO DO
GREAT. >> Pelley: YOU KNOW, NEITHER
PARTY LIKES YOU VERY MUCH. HOW ARE YOU GOING TO GET...
>> Trump: I WOULD SAY THAT'S TRUE, YES.
>> Pelley: HOW ARE YOU GOING TO
GET ANYTHING THROUGH CONGRESS?
>> Trump: WHEN YOU SAY THE PARTY, THE ESTABLISHMENT
DOESN'T. FOR INSTANCE, I NOTICED THAT...
THAT...
>> Pelley: WELL, THAT'S WHO CONGRESS IS.
HOW ARE YOU GOING TO GET ANYTHING...
>> Trump: THAT'S... OH, I'LL GET
ALONG. I GET... I'VE GOTTEN ALONG WITH
POLITICIANS MY WHOLE LIFE.
I'VE MADE A FORTUNE ON POLITICIANS.
NOBODY KNOWS POLITICIANS BETTER
THAN I DO.
I GET ALONG WITH POLITICIANS.
>> Pelley: YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO BUY THEM ANYMORE.
>> Trump: NO, NO, I'M NOT GOING TO BUY THEM.
I'M NOT GOING TO BUY THEM. I'LL GET ALONG WITH THEM.
YOU'VE GOT TO GET ALONG, AND
YOU'VE GOT TO GET PEOPLE TO DO WHAT YOU... IT'S CALLED
LEADERSHIP.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY LEADERSHIP RIGHT NOW.
>> Pelley: IN DALLAS THIS MONTH,
HE NEARLY FILLED A 20,000-SEAT ARENA.
OUR POLL SHOWS THAT HIS SUPPORT
EXTENDS FROM REPUBLICANS TO
INDEPENDENTS, YOUNG AND OLD,
EVANGELICAL AND NOT.
BUT HIS POLL NUMBERS DID SLIP
SLIGHTLY LAST WEEK, AND
NATIONALLY AMONG ALL VOTERS,
MAJORITIES OF BLACKS AND
HISPANICS DISAPPROVE.
TRUMP TOLD US HE WILL PAY FOR
HIS CAMPAIGN ALL THE WAY THROUGH
THE NOMINATION.
>> Trump: YEAH, I'M TOTALLY
WILLING TO... I'M SELF-FUNDING
MY CAMPAIGN.
NOW, ONCE YOU GET THE
NOMINATION, THEN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY KICKS IN AND THEY RAISE
ALL THIS MONEY, AND THEY DO WHATEVER THEY HAVE TO DO.
BUT I AM ABSOLUTELY 100% DOING
IT MYSELF. >> Pelley: YOU LOVE HEARING
ABOUT YOURSELF. >> Trump: I DO.
>> Pelley: IT IS OXYGEN TO YOU.
WHAT DOES THAT TELL US ABOUT DONALD TRUMP?
>> Trump: NO, IF I'M ON A SHOW,
I'LL TURN ON THE SHOW.
BUT I DON'T THINK I'M ANY
DIFFERENT THAN ANYBODY ELSE. IF SOMEBODY'S...
>> Pelley: I WAS IN YOUR OFFICE.
ALL THE MAGAZINES ON YOUR
DESK...
>> Trump: WELL, I HAVE A LOT OF COVERS.
>> Pelley: ...ARE COVERS OF YOU.
>> Trump: I THINK I HAVE MORE
COVERS... >> Pelley: ALL THE PICTURES ON
THE WALL ARE PICTURES OF YOU.
>> Trump: WELL, IT'S CHEAPER
THAN WALLPAPER. >> Pelley: WHAT ARE WE SUPPOSED
TO TAKE FROM THAT?
>> Trump: YOU KNOW, LOOK, I'M ON
A LOT OF COVERS-- I THINK MAYBE
MORE THAN ALMOST ANY SUPERMODEL. I THINK MORE THAN ANY
SUPERMODEL.
BUT IN A WAY, THAT IS A SIGN OF
RESPECT. PEOPLE ARE RESPECTING WHAT YOU
ARE DOING.
>> Pelley: SO, THIS IS THE
CORNER OFFICE AT 5th AVENUE AND
57th, PROBABLY THE MOST
EXPENSIVE INTERSECTION IN THE WORLD.
>> Trump: I WOULD SAY IT IS,
ABSOLUTELY. >> Pelley: BUT THERE ISN'T
ENOUGH RESPECT, HE TOLD US, FOR
THE BUSINESS HE BUILT.
TRUMP REAL ESTATE SCRAPES THE
SKIES OF THE WORLD-- APARTMENTS,
OFFICES, HOTELS, CASINOS, FAMOUS
GOLF COURSES AND TELEVISION
SHOWS. HE STARTED WITH HIS FATHER'S
SUCCESSFUL REAL ESTATE, AND NOW
TRUMP SAYS HE'S WORTH $10
BILLION.
OTHERS ESTIMATE $4 BILLION--
REAL ESTATE VALUES ARE NOTORIOUSLY VARIABLE.
AND YOUR FATHER ALSO USED TO
TELL YOU, IF I HAVE THIS RIGHT,
"ATTACK, ATTACK, ATTACK."
>> Trump: I'LL TELL YOU WHAT--
MY FATHER WAS A REALLY GOOD MAN
WITH A TREMENDOUS HEART, BUT HE WAS A TOUGH COOKIE.
>> Pelley: WITH A TOUGHER HIDE,
PERHAPS, THAN HIS SON, WHO HAS
SOMETIMES GONE TO WAR WITH
REPORTERS.
WHY SO THIN-SKINNED?
>> Trump: I DON'T LIKE LIES.
I... I DON'T MIND A BAD STORY.
IF YOU DID A BAD STORY ON ME FOR
"60 MINUTES," IF IT WERE A FAIR
STORY, I WOULDN'T BE THIN-
SKINNED AT ALL.
YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE MEDIA IS
AMONG THE WORST PEOPLE I'VE EVER MET.
AND I MEAN A PRETTY GOOD
PERCENTAGE IS REALLY A TERRIBLE
GROUP OF PEOPLE.
THEY WRITE LIES, THEY WRITE
FALSE STORIES.
THEY KNOW THEY'RE FALSE.
IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE.
AND FRANKLY, I DON'T CALL IT
THIN-SKINNED; I'M ANGRY.
>> Pelley: AN IMPRESSION IS
CREATED, THOUGH, THAT YOU LIKE
TO DISH IT OUT BUT YOU CAN'T
TAKE A PUNCH.
>> Trump: OH, I THINK I CAN TAKE
IT.
I... I COULD TAKE IT IF IT'S FAIR.
AGAIN, IF PEOPLE SAY THINGS THAT
ARE FALSE-- WHICH HAPPENS A LOT
WITH ME-- IF PEOPLE SAY THINGS
THAT ARE FALSE, I WILL FIGHT,
LIKE, HARDER THAN ANYBODY.
IF I DO SOMETHING WRONG-- AND
THAT HAPPENS-- AND THEY WRITE A
FAIR STORY THAT I DID SOMETHING
WRONG, THERE'S NOTHING TO FIGHT
ABOUT. I CAN HANDLE THAT.
I DON'T LIKE LYING.
YOU KNOW, I'M A VERY HONORABLE GUY.
I DON'T LIKE LIES.
>> Pelley: WHAT PERSONAL
HARDSHIP HAS DEFINED YOUR CHARACTER?
>> Trump: WELL, I THINK I'VE HAD
SOME, BUT I HAD A BROTHER WHO
WAS A FANTASTIC GUY, FRED.
AND HE WAS A YOUNG MAN, AND HE
PASSED AWAY AT A FAIRLY YOUNG
AGE, AND HE WAS AN ALCOHOLIC.
HE WOULD TELL ME CONSTANTLY,
"DON'T DRINK."
AND I'VE NEVER HAD A DRINK.
I OWN THE LARGEST WINERY ON THE
EAST COAST AND YET I DON'T
DRINK, WHICH IS A LITTLE WEIRD.
BUT HE'D SAY, "DON'T DRINK,
DON'T SMOKE."
AND HE WOULD TELL ME ALL THE
TIME BECAUSE HE HAD A PROBLEM
WITH IT. HE DIED OF ALCOHOLISM.
>> Pelley: THAT IS A WARNING
THAT HE'S PRESSED ON HIS
CHILDREN, THREE OF WHOM RUN HIS
COMPANIES.
>> Trump: I HAVE CHILDREN THAT
ARE VERY GOOD CHILDREN.
AND... AND SO FAR, I KNOCK ON WOOD.
RIGHT, YOU KNOW, WHO KNOWS?
>> Pelley: VERY ACCOMPLISHED,
YOUR THREE OLDER CHILDREN. >> Trump: TERRIFIC PEOPLE.
BUT I SAY, "NO DRUGS, NO
ALCOHOL, NO CIGARETTES."
>> Pelley: MILLIONS OF PEOPLE
ARE WONDERING RIGHT NOW WHETHER
YOU ARE SERIOUS OR WHETHER THIS
IS A REALITY SHOW.
YESTERDAY, YOU SAID, "IF THE
PRESIDENCY DOESN'T WORK OUT,
I'LL GO BACK TO MY BUSINESS."
>> Trump: WELL, THAT'S TRUE. >> Pelley: DO YOU INTEND...
>> Trump: I MEAN, THAT'S TRUE.
I CAN'T GUARANTEE THAT...
>> Pelley: ...TO BE PRESIDENT, OR NOT? >> Trump: TOTALLY.
BUT THAT'S TRUE.
I ALWAYS LIKE TO HAVE A DOWNSIDE.
I LOVE MY BUSINESS.
I DIDN'T WANT TO DO THIS; I JUST
SEE OUR COUNTRY AS GOING TO
HELL, AND I FELT I HAD TO DO IT.