HOLIDAYS WE SAT DOWN WITH DONALD TRUMP TO TALK ABOUT HIS
PROSPECTS IN THE HOTLY CONTESTED IOWA CAUCUS.
LOVE TO WIN IOWA. I COULD HAVE SAID, NO, I WANT TO
WIN IOWA. DICKERSON: HIS THOUGHTS ABOUT
NEW TERROR VIDEO FEATURING HIS CONTROVERSIAL POSITION ON
MUSLIMS. TOTAL AND COMPLETE SHUT DOWN
OF MUSLIMS ENTERING THE UNITED STATES.
DICKERSON: DOES IT CONCERN YOU THAT YOU'RE BEING USED IN
RECRUITMENT VIDEO BY TERRORISTS? THEY USE OTHER PEOPLE, TOO.
I HAVE TO SAY WHAT I HAVE TO SAY.
DICKERSON: WEIGHS IN AN HILLARY CLINTON AND TED CHRIS
AND TALKS ABOUT PRIORITIES AND STYLE AS PRESIDENT.
I WOULD BE A MUCH DIFFERENT PERSON I THINK AS PRESIDENT.
DICKERSON: LOOK AHEAD AT WHAT 2016 WILL HOLD FOR THE BARGAINS
ISIS, U.S. FOREIGN POLICY AND PRESIDENT OBAMA'S LAST YEAR IN
OFFICE. IT'S ALL COMING UP ON "FACE THE
NATION."
CAPTIONING SPONSORED BY CBS
GOOD MORNING WELCOME TO "FACE THE NATION" I'M JOHN DICKERSON.
WE BEGIN THE NEW YEAR WITH <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">CAMPAIGN 2016 AND ONE OF THE
PEOPLE WHO CONTINUES TO SHAKE UP <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">THE POLITICAL WORLD, DONALD
TRUMP. WE CAUGHT UP WITH HIM AT HIS
HOME IN PALM BEACH ON NEW YEAR'S <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">DAY STARTED OUR CONVERSATION
WITH PRESIDENT OBAMA'S EXPECTED PLAN FOR NEW EXECUTIVE ACTIONS
ON GUNS. INCLUDING EXPANDING BACKGROUND
CHECKS PURCHASES AT GUN SHOWS WE ASKED ALREADY TRUMP WHAT HE
THOUGHT ABOUT THE PRESIDENT'S PLAN.
>> WELLY LIKE IT. I DON'T LIKE ANYTHING HAVING TO
DO WITH CHANGING OUR SECOND AMENDMENT.
WE HAVE PLENTY OF RULES AND REGULATIONS, THERE'S PLENTY OF
THINGS THAT THEY CAN DO RIGHT <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">NOW THAT ARE ALREADY THERE THAT.
WE HAVE TREMENDOUS MENTAL HEALTH PROBLEM, WE'RE CLOSING PLACES
ALL OVER THE WORLD, ALL OVER THE COUNTRY THEY'RE CLOSING.
ALL THEY WANT TO DO IS BAN THE <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">GUNS.
IT'S NOT THE GUN THAT PULLS THE <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">TRIGGER.
I DON'T LIKE IT. I DON'T LIKE WHAT HE'S DOING.
I THINK THAT HE'S LOOKING TO DO <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">EXECUTIVE ORDERS TO DO SOMETHING
HAVING TO DO WITH GUNS. >> DICKERSON: BACKGROUND CHECKS
HAPPEN FOR NORMAL GUN PURCHASES <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">THAT ARE NORMAL STORE.
HIS ARGUMENT WOULD BE JUST DO IT <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">HERE, THIS LOOPHOLE YOU WANT TO
MAKE IT THE SAME EVERYWHERE. >> BUT I DON'T LIKE CHANGING
ANYTHING. RIGHT NOW THEY HAVE PLENTY OF
RULES AND REGULATIONS THEY SHOULD BE LOOKING AT MENTAL
HEALTH. WE SHOULD BE INSTITUTIONS FOR
PEOPLE THAT ARE SICKOS ALL OVER <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">THE PLACE THAT'S THE PLACE HERE
IS THE PROBLEM. I WOULD SPEND MORE MONEY ON
THIS. HERE IS THE PROBLEM, THE BAD
GUYS ARE ALWAYS GOING TO GET THE GUNS. YOU CAN HAVE ALL THE
RESTRICTIONS YOU WANT. THE BAD GUYS WILL ALWAYS HAVE
THE GUNS. >> DICKERSON: LET ME ASK YOU
ABOUT EXECUTIVE ORDERS IN GENERAL, LIKE THEM, DON'T LIKE
THEM, THE PRESIDENT USES THEM TO <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">GO AROUND CONGRESS.
>> WELL, I DON'T LIKE THEM. <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">OUR COUNTRY WASN'T BASED ON
EXECUTIVE ORDERS. NOBODY REALLY KNEW WE EVEN HAD
EXECUTIVE ORDER SUCH A THING. <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE YOU GET
ALONG WITH CONGRESS, YOU CAJOLE, <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">GO BACK AND FORTH ARE EVERYBODY
GETS IN A ROOM AND END UP WITH <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">DEALS.
HIS COMPROMISE ON LOTS OF OTHER THINGS, HE GIVING UP ON THE
PROCESS AN SIGNS EXECUTIVE ORDERS.
>> DICKERSON: IF YOU WERE PRESIDENT YOU SEEM LIKE KIND OF
GUY IF YOU WERE PRESIDENT YOU <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">MIGHT USE EXECUTIVE ORDER OR
TWO. >> LOT OF PRECEDENT THAT HE'S
DOING. AMAZINGLY THE COURTS TOOK THAT
PACK A STEP AND DID SOMETHING <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">THAT WAS VERY SURPRISING WHICH
IS, THEY DID THE RIGHT THING. <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">SO THAT MAYBE THAT ONE, I WOULD
BE RESCINDING A LOT OF EXECUTIVE <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">ORDERS THAT HE'S DONE.
ONLY GOOD ABOUT EXECUTIVE ORDER, <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">THE NEW PRESIDENT COMES IN,
FIRST DAY, FIRST HOUR, FIRST <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">MINUTE YOU CAN RESCIND THEM.
>> DICKERSON: LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT VIDEO BEING PUT OUT BY
ISIS GROUP, DONALD J. TRUMP CALLING FOR TOTAL AND COMPLETE
SHUT DOWN. OF MUSLIMS ENTERING THE UNITED
STATES. [ CHEERING AND APPLAUSE ]
CAN FIGURE OUT WHAT [BLEEP] IS <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">GOING ON.
>> DICKERSON: THEN VIDEO GOES ON <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">SAYS, THE WEST WILL EVENTUALLY
TURN AGAINST ITS MUSLIM CITIZENS.
THEY ARE SAYING TO MUSLIMS, <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">EITHER YOU JOIN JIHAD OR LEAVE
THE UNITED STATES BECAUSE OF <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">WHAT MR. TRUMP IS PROPOSING.
>> LOOK, HERE IS THE PROBLEM. <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">I BRING IT UP, OTHER PEOPLE HAVE
CALLED ME THEY SAY, YOU HAVE <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">GUTS TO BRING IT UP BECAUSE
FRANKLY IT'S TRUE. BUT NOBODY WANTS TO GET
INVOLVED. NOW PEOPLE ARE GETTING INVOLVED.
PEOPLE THAT ARE ON DIFFERENT PERSUASIONS THAN ME RIGHT NOW,
JOHN, ARE SAYING, YOU KNOW, <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">MAYBE TRUMP ISN'T WRONG.
WE WANT TO EXAMINE IT. THERE'S A LOT OF BAD STUFF GOING
ON. I'M WATCHING THE NEWS TONIGHT,
ACTUALLY, CBS, AND SO MANY OF <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">THE ELEMENTS, YOU LOOK AT
GERMANY, YOU LOOK AT BRUSSELS, <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">YOU LOOK ALL OVER THE WORLD,
SHUTTING DOWN CITIES THAT NEVER <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">HAD A PROBLEM BEFORE.
THEY'RE SHUTTING DOWN COUNTRIES THAT NEVER HAD A PROBLEM BEFORE.
YOU LOOK AT PARIS, WHAT HAPPENED.
YOU LOOK AT CALIFORNIA, WHAT <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">HAPPENED.
MAYBE IT'S NOT POLITICALLY CORRECT, IT'S A BIG PROBLEM NOW
WE HAVE TO SELL OFF THE PROBLEM <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">IDEA YOU'RE BEING USED IN
ESSENTIALLY RECRUITMENT VIDEO BY <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">TERRORIST ORGANIZATION?
>> THEY USE OTHER PEOPLE, TOO, <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">WHAT AM I GOING TO DO.
I HAVE TO SAY WHAT I HAVE TO <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">SAY.
YOU KNOW WHAT I HAVE TO SAY, <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">THERE'S A PROBLEM.
WE HAVE TO FIND OUT WHAT IS THE <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">PROBLEM AND SOLVE THAT PROBLEM.
>> DICKERSON: DO YOU THINK THE PROBLEM IS THAT -- THAT THE WEST
IS ON A COLLISION COURSE WITH RADICAL ISLAM OR IS THIS JUST
ISIS IS THE PROBLEM? >> I THINK RADICAL ISLAM MAY BE
ON A COLLISION COURSE WITH US. YOU COULD CAKE IT AROUND A
LITTLE BIT. BUT IT IS A VERY, VERY DEEP
SEEDED HATRED THAT'S GOING ON. YOU HAVE A HATRED LIKE PEOPLE
WILLING TO GIVE THEIR LIVES, I <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">HAVE TO TELL YOU, IT IS SO BIG,
IT IS THE BIGGEST THING THERE IS <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">RIGHT NOW, WHEN I WATCH
PRESIDENT OBAMA, OUR BIGGEST <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">PROBLEM.
IT'S JUST -- HE DOESN'T WANT TO <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">USE THE WORDS RADICAL ISLAM.
ANYTHING HAVING TO DO WITH <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">RADICAL AND ISLAM.
SO UNTIL HE'S WILLING TO ADMIT, <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">HOW CAN YOU NOT AT LEAST TALK
ABOUT THE PROBLEM. ONE OF THE THINGS I'VE DONE I
BROUGHT THE PROBLEM UP. THE WORLD IS TALKING ABOUT WHAT
I'VE SAID. NOW BIG PARTS OF THE WORLD ARE
SAYING, TRUMP IS REALLY RIGHT AT <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">LEAST IDENTIFYING WHAT'S GOING
ON. IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SOLVE THE
PROBLEM UNLESS YOU IDENTIFY IT. >> DICKERSON: LET ME ASK YOU
ABOUT THE PRESIDENCY. WILL YOU TALK AS MUCH AS A
PRESIDENT AS YOU DO AS A CANDIDATE?
WILL YOU BE -- WILL YOU BE ON TV ALL THE TIME, GIVING RALLIES
THAT KIND OF THING? >> WELL, I THINK I WOULD BE
GIVING RALLIES. I WANT TO RALLY THIS COUNTRY
BECAUSE OUR COUNTRY HAS NO SPIRIT.
I WOULD CERTAINLY NOT TALK AS MUCH.
I'M GOING TO ORIGINALLY 17 PEOPLE NOW 14 PEOPLE AND 13
PEOPLE LOT OF PEOPLE ARE GOING <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">TO BE DROPPING OUT.
>> DICKERSON: OUR CANDIDATES. >> OTHER CANDIDATES.
OBVIOUSLY I HAVE TO DO A LOT OF <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">TALKING, I'M GETTING HIT FROM 15
DIFFERENT SIDES I LIKE TO DEFEND <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">MYSELF.
BUT I WOULD BE A MUCH DIFFERENT <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">PERSON I THINK AS PRESIDENT.
BUT I WOULD BE VERY ENTHUSIASTIC, LIKE I AM RIGHT
NOW TOWARD THE COUNTRY. WE NEED SPIRIT.
WE NEED A CHEERLEADER. PRESIDENT OBAMA IS A BAD
CHEERLEADER. I THOUGHT HE WOULD BE A GOOD
CHEERLEADER, THAT'S ONE THING I <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">THOUGHT THAT HE WAS GOING TO BE
A GREAT CHEERLEADER. HE'S REALLY A BIG DIVIDER.
WE NEED CHEERLEADING. >> DICKERSON: YOU TALKED TO SOME
OF OUR SUPPORTERS, A FEW OF THEM SAID WHEN DONALD TRUMP GETS TO
BE PRESIDENT HE'LL HAVE PEOPLE <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">TO COACH HIM TAKE OFF THESE
ROUGH EDGES OF THE THINGS HE SAYS.
ARE THEY RIGHT? >> I DON'T THINK I HAVE ROUGH
EDGES, I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU. <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">I WENT TO IVY LEAGUE SCHOOL, I
WAS A GOOD STUDENT, I WITHIN TO <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">THE WHARTON SCHOOL OF FINANCE,
ONE OF THE GREAT SCHOOLS OF THE <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">WORLD.
AND I CAN BE MORE POLITICALLY <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">CORRECT THAN ANY COACH THAT THEY
CAN GET ME. I CAN BE THE MOST POLITICALLY
CORRECT PERSON WITH YOU. I COULD SAY SOMETHING AT THE END
OF THIS INTERVIEW YOU WOULD SAY, WOW, WAS THAT BORING.
GIVE US -- >> DICKERSON: GIVE US PERFECTLY
POLITICAL -- >> HERE IS THE PROBLEM WITH
POLITICAL CORRECTNESS, TAKES TOO <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">LONG.
WE DON'T HAVE TIME. I TALKED TO YOU ABOUT ANCHOR
BABIES AT ONE NEWS CONFERENCE. <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">AND ONE OF THE REPORTERS,
ACTUALLY FROM ABC, SAID, THAT'S <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">A DEROGATORY TERM.
I SAID, WHY? HE SAID, WELL, HE DIDN'T KNOW
WHY. HE SAID, WHAT WOULD YOU CALL
THEM? THE BABIES OF UNDOCUMENTED
IMMIGRANTS -- LIKE SEVEN OR EIGHT WORD DEFINITION.
I'M SORRY WE DON'T HAVE TIME FOR <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">THAT.
I CAN BE THE MOST POLITICALLY <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">CORRECT PERSON THAT YOU'VE EVER
INTERVIEWED. TAKES TOO MUCH TIME.
>> DICKERSON: ISN'T THERE A COST?
THINK OF ALL THE NAMES THEY CALL YOU BECAUSE OF THE THINGS YOU
SAY. >> WELL, THINK OF THE FACT THAT
I'M LEADING IN THE POLL BY TREMENDOUS MARGINS.
I THINK THAT'S PART OF IS, TOO. PEOPLE DON'T WANT POLITICAL
CORRECTNESS, THEY'RE TIRED OF IT.
THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">HAS RESONATED WITH ME.
I DON'T GO OUT OF MY WAY TO BE <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">POLITICALLY INCORRECT.
WHEN. >> DICKERSON: THEN YOU THINK OF
THE PRESIDENCY, NOT THE SHOW PART, WHAT SIT GOING TO BE LIKE?
DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT, THE OPERATION?
>> I DON'T THINK ABOUT IT. HERE IS THE THING.
WHAT I THINK IS THE PROCESS, WE <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">HAVE LOT OF THINGS TO SELL.
HEALTH CARE PROBLEM THAT'S INCREDIBLE.
OBAMACARE GOING UP 45%. YOU SEE THE DEDUCTIBLE THAT'S
HAPPENING GOING UP SO HIGH NEVER <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">GOING TO BE ABLE TO USE IT.
YOU LOOK AT ISIS. YOU LOOK AT OUR MILITARIES IN
SHATTER YOU HAVE THE GENERAL SAYING IT'S NOT PREPARED, WE'RE
IN THE PREPARED AS A MILITARY WE'RE NOT PREPARED.
IT'S BEEN ONE OF THE WORST -- HE <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">SAID -- HE ACTUALLY SAID FROM
THE BEGINNING, I WATCHED HIM INTER VIEW HE WAS TALKING ABOUT
LACKED PREPAREDNESS FROM THE BEGINNING.
LOOK AT OUR VETS HOW BADLY THEY <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">HAVE BEEN TREATED.
OUR BORDERS HOW PEOPLE ARE JUST <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">POURING ACROSS OUR BORDERS.
THERE'S PLENTY TO DO. >> DICKERSON: TALK ABOUT THE
PRESIDENCY AND FINGER ON THE <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">BUTTON.
UNITED STATES HAS NOT USED NUCLEAR WEAPONS SINCE 1945.
WHEN SHOULD IT? >> WELL, IT IS AN ABSOLUTE LAST
STANCE. I USE THE WORD UNPREDICTABLE.
YOU WANT TO BE UNPREDICTABLE. <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">SOMEBODY RECENTLY SAID I MADE A
GREAT BUSINESS DEAL. THE PERSON ON THE OTHER SIDE WAS
INTERVIEWED BY A NEWSPAPER. HOW DID TRUMP DO THIS.
THEY SAY HE'S SO UNPREDICTABLE. <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">I DIDN'T KNOW IF THEY MEANT IT
POSITIVELY OR NEGATIVELY. BUT HE MEANT IT POSITIVELY.
WE HAVE TO BE SOMEWHAT UNPREDICTABLE.
NUCLEAR HAS TO BE ABSOLUTELY LAST STANCE.
I WAS AGAINST THE WAR IN IRAQ. I'M NOT A FAST TRIGGER.
YOU HAVE GUYS WHO THINK ARE VERY LOW KEY, BE FASTER THAN ME.
I WOULD BE VERY SLOW TRIGGER <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">WITH NUCLEAR.
NUCLEAR IS A MAJOR PROBLEM. WE HAVE MAJOR PROBLEMS, BECAUSE
YOU HAVE OTHER PEOPLE THAT WOULD BE VERY FAST, YOU LOOK AT NORTH
KOREA, SOME OF THESE COUNSEL TREES, I DON'T THINK THEY WOULD
HESITATE TO USE IT IF THEY <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">REALLY HAD IT.
>> DICKERSON: THE UNITED STATES <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">--
>> IT'S REALLY A LAST RESORT AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED.
>> DICKERSON: PRESIDENT OBAMA SIGNED OR SAID NO MORE SPYING ON
ALLIES BUT REPORT IN THE "WALL <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">STREET JOURNAL" THAT WAS SPYING
ON TOP ISRAELI OFFICIALS. WOULD YOU SAY NO SPYING ON
ISRAELI OFFICIALS AT ALL? >> I WOULD CERTAINLY NOT WANT TO
DO IT. BUT I HAVE TO SAY THIS, WE'RE
BEING SPIED ON BY EVERYBODY. AND IT'S TERRIBLE WHAT IS GOING
ON IN THAT WHOLE THING. WE FIND OUT THAT WE'RE BEING
SPIED ON BY THEM. EVERYTHING IS OUT.
THE ONE BAD THING ABOUT THE COMPUTER GENERATION, I HAVE A
SON, HE'S NINE YEARS OLD, HE CAN <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">VIRTUALLY TAKE APART ANY
COMPUTER. THESE PEOPLE ARE SO BRILLIANT
WITH COMPUTERS, THE OLD DAYS WHEN YOU FIGHT A WAR YOU GIVE
SOMEBODY AN ARMED GUARD HE HAS <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">ENVELOPE NOW GOING THROUGH SO
MANY CHANNELS YOU DON'T KNOW WHO <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">IS GETTING IT.
IT'S A REAL PROBLEM. THE PROBLEM WITH THE COMPUTER
AGE IS, I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">SECRECY ANY MORE.
>> DICKERSON: YOU'D LEAVE OPEN POSSIBILITY OF SPYING ON
ANYBODY, EVEN ALLIES. >> I WOULD LEAVE OPEN
POSSIBILITIES OF DOING WHATEVER <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">IT TAKES TO MAKE OUR COUNTRY
VERY, VERY STRONG AND TO MAKE <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">OUR COUNTRY GREAT AGAIN.
>> DICKERSON: LET'S TALK POLITICS FOR A MINUTE.
YOU SAID THAT SENATOR CRUZ <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">APPEARED TO BE COPYING YOUR
IMMIGRATION PLAN. YOUR PLAN AS I UNDERSTAND IT IS
DEPORTATIONS THEN LET GOOD ONES <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">BACK IN ONCE THEY HAVE LEFT THE
COUNTRY. >> HAVE TO GO THROUGH A PROCESS.
DICKERSON: HIS PLAN JUST DEPORTATION.
IS HE HE STRICTER ON UNDOCUMENTED --
>> FIRST OF ALL HIS PLAN JUST <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">HAPPENED, OKAY?
FACT I WAS WATCHING THE OTHER <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">DAY, I WAS WATCHING TED TALK, WE
WILL BUILD A WALL. FIRST TIME I'VE HEARD HIM.
MY WIFE SAID, OH, LOOK, HE'S COPYING WHAT YOU'VE BEEN SAYING
FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME. NO, NO.
I'M TALKING ABOUT DEPORTATION. <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">AND PEOPLE CAN COME BACK INTO
THE COUNTRY, NOT JUST THAT GROUP <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">BUT OTHER PEOPLE CAN COME BACK
BUT EVERYBODY HAS TO COME INTO OUR COUNTRY LEGALLY.
I WANT A STRONG BORDER. AND I'M THE ONE THAT CAME UP
WITH IT. WHEN I ANNOUNCED THAT I WAS
RUNNING, I BROUGHT UP ILLEGAL <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">IMMIGRATION.
IT WASN'T EVEN A SUBJECT THAT <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">WOULD HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED IN
THIS DEBATE. NOW IT'S ONE OF THE VERY BIG
SUBJECTS. TED CRUZ IS TRYING TO STEP UP
HIS WHOLE GAME ON AMNESTY AND ON <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION BECAUSE IT
WAS ACTUALLY QUITE WEAK. YOU LISTEN TO HIM AND MARCO
RUBIO TRYING TO SOLVE THE PROBLEMS THAT THEY HAVE HAD IN
THE PAST BECAUSE THEY WERE BOTH <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">WEAK ON IT.
I HAVE BEEN VERY STRONG ON IT. <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">SO THEY'RE TRYING TO GET
STRONGER. NOBODY HAS THAT POSITION LIKE I
HAVE THAT POSITION. IMENT WANT THE WALL.
I WANT EVERYBODY OUT. NOW PEOPLE ARE COMING TO ME.
BUT NOBODY HAS THAT ISSUE. NOBODY IS GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO
IT LIKE ME. NOBODY AS AN EXAMPLE ON THE
WALL, NOBODY IS GETTING MEXICO <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">TO PAY FOR THE WALL, THE COST OF
THE WALL, BUT ME. THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW.
IT'S NOT IN THEIR VOCABULARY. <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">>> DICKERSON: NOBODY THINKS
YOU'RE GOING TO GET -- >> THEY MAKE A FORTUNE WITH US
SO MUCH MONTH ARE MONEY THAN WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
THEY CAN -- WE HAVE TRADE DEFICITS, WE HAVE -- IF YOU LOOK
AT THE KIND OF NUMBERS THAT MEXICO MAKES WITH US, THE WALL
IS PEANUTS. ONLY BUSINESS PERSON WOULD SAY.
THAT THE POLITICIANS DON'T <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">UNDERSTAND IT, THEY'RE ALL TALK
AND TO ACTION. >> DICKERSON: YOU SAID THAT THE
GOOD ONES WOULD COME BACK ON <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">EXPEDITED BASIS, WOULDN'T
SENATOR CRUZ SAY WELL THAT'S AMNESTY?
>> THE GOOD ONES WOULD BE COMING <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">BACK I WOULD SAY THAT WE WANT TO
HAVE THEM BACK. BUT WE WANT TO HAVE LOT OF OTHER
PEOPLE. WE HAVE ONE PROBLEM, WE HAVE
MILLIONS OF PEOPLE ON LIST THAT <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">HAVE GONE THROUGH LEGAL PROCESS
THEY CAN'T GET INTO THE COUNTRY. <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">WE HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF THEM.
I WANT PEOPLE TO COME IN. THEY JUST HAVE TO COME BACK
LEGALLY. >> DICKERSON: WHEN YOU SAY ABOUT
SENATOR CRUZ NOT TOO MANY EVANGELICALS COME OUT OF THE
CUBA? >> IT MEANS THAT CUBA GENERALLY
SPEAKING TO A CATHOLIC COUNTRY. <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">AND YOU DON'T EQUATE
EVANGELICALS WITH CUBA. I DON'T.
I THINK EVANGELICALS I HAVE -- I GUESS I AM, I'M PRESBYTERIAN,
PROTESTANT, BUT I DON'T SEE IT <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">AS COMING OUT OF CUBA.
>> DICKERSON: BUT YOU'RE NOT QUESTIONING WHETHER -- AS FAR AS
YOU KNOW YOU COULD BE MORE <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">DEVOUT AS YOU ARE.
>> CERTAINLY IT'S POSSIBLE. I'M NOT QUESTIONING.
I SAY IT IN SOMEWHAT SMILING <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">MANNER, BUT THERE'S A LITTLE
TRUTH TO IT. >> DICKERSON: WHEN WE COME BACK
IN ONE MINUTE DONALD TRUMP TALKS <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">ABOUT HAAK WOMEN IN THE
WORKPLACE AND ABOUT WINNING <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">IOWA.
>> DICKERSON: WE'RE BACK WITH MORE OF OUR INTERVIEW WITH
DONALD TRUMP. HILLARY CLINTON, WHAT DOES IT
MEAN WHEN YOU SAY SHE'S PLAYING <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">THE WOMAN CARD?
>> CONSTANTLY PLAYING THE WOMAN <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">CARD.
PERSONALLY, I'M NOT SURE THAT <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">ANYBODY ELSE OTHER THAN ME IS
GOING TO BEAT HER. I THINK SHE'S A FLAWED
CANDIDATE. YOU SEE WHAT HAS HAPPENED
RECENTLY AND IT HASN'T BEEN A <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">VERY PRETTY PICTURE FOR HER OR
FOR BILL BECAUSE I'M THE ONLY <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">ONE THAT IS WILLING TO TALK
ABOUT HIS PROBLEMS. I MEAN WHAT HE DID AND WHAT HE
HAS GONE THROUGH, I THINK IS <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">FRANKLY TERRIBLE, ESPECIALLY IF
SHE WANTS TO PLAY THE WOMAN <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">CARD.
>> DICKERSON: WHAT DOES IT MEAN <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">TO PLAY THE WOMAN CARD IN YOUR
VIEW? >> SHE'S PLAYING IT.
SHE IS PANDERING, SHE'S PANDERING TO THE PUBLIC AND
SHE'S PANDERING TO WOMEN. AND WHEN SHE DID IT WITH ME,
TALKED ABOUT SEXIST, I SAID, ME, <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">I HAVE MORE RESPECT FOR WOMEN BY
FAR THAN HILLARY CLINTON HAS. <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">I WILL DO MORE FOR WOMEN THAN
HILLARY CLINTON WILL. I'LL DO FAR MORE.
INCLUDING THE PROTECTION OF OUR <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">COUNTRY.
SHE CAUSED A LOT OF THE PROBLEMS <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW.
YOU COULD SAY SHE CAUSED THE <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">MIGRATION, LOOK AT THE PROBLEMS
IN -- >> DICKERSON: AS SECRETARY OF
STATE? >> AS SECRETARY OF STATE.
THE ENTIRE WORLD HAS BEEN UPSET, <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">THE ENTIRE WORLD IS A DIFFERENT
PLACE. DID BARACK OBAMA AND HILLARY
CLINTON'S TERM SHE'S DONE HORRIBLE JOB.
SHE'S CAUSED SO MANY OF THE PROBLEMS.
LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING, SHE'S <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">CAUSED DEATH.
SHE'S CAUSED TREMENDOUS DEATH WITH INCOMPETENT DECISIONS.
I WAS AGAINST THE WAR IN IRAQ, I <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">WASN'T A POLITICS, BUT I WAS
AGAINST THE WAR IN REACTION SHE <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">VOTED FOR THE WAR IN IRAQ $SHE
CAUSED -- >> DICKERSON: SHE CAUSED DEATH,
HOW? >> LOOK AT LIBYA.
THAT WAS HER BABY. I'M NOT EVEN TALKING ABOUT THE
AMBASSADOR AND THE PEOPLE WITH <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">THE AMBASSADOR, YOUNG, WONDERFUL
PEOPLE. WITH MESSAGES COMING IN BY THE
HUNDREDS AND SHE'S NOT EVEN <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">RESPONDING.
I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT. THAT I'M TALKING ABOUT ALL OF
THE DEATH THAT'S BEEN CAUSED. <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">NOT ONLY ON OUR --
>> DICKERSON: THAT PEOPLE WERE SAVED BY GOING IN TAKING --
>> THERE IS NOTHING SAVED. <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">IF WE WOULD HAVE NEVER DONE
ANYTHING IN THE MIDDLE EAST WE'D HAVE MUCH SAFER WORLD RIGHT NOW.
GETTING RID OF SADDAM HUSSEIN, <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">I'M NOT SAYING HE WAS A GOOD
PERSON. HE WAS A BAD PERSON.
BUT WHAT WE HAVE NOW IS FAR <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">WORSE.
ALL OF THIS HAS LED TO ISIS, ALL <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">OF THIS HAS LED TO THE
MIGRATION. ALL OF THIS HAS LED TO
TREMENDOUS DEATH AND DESTRUCTION.
AND SHE FOR THE MOST PART WAS IN <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">CHARGE OF IT ALONG WITH OBAMA.
>> DICKERSON: YOU SAY YOU'LL DO <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">MORE FOR WOMEN THAN HILLARY
CLINTON HOW DO YOU THINK WOMAN'S <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">EXPERIENCE IN DAILY LIFE IS
DIFFERENT THAN THE MAN? >> THEY HAVE A DIFFERENT LIFE.
IT'S A DIFFERENT LIFE. BUT AT THE SAME TIME I DON'T
THINK WOMEN WANT TO BE PANDERED <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">TO.
I THINK WOMEN DON'T LIKE HILLARY <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">CLINTON TO BE HONEST WITH YOU,
JOHN. I THIS YOU THAT WOMEN -- I SEE
IT ALL THE TIME THEY TELL ME, <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">YOU HAVE TO BEAT HER, YOU HAVE
TO WIN. SHE'S A TERRIBLE PERSON, SHE'S A
TERRIBLE PERSON. WOMEN ARE TELLING ME THAT.
I THINK, FRANKLY, THAT WOMEN DO <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">NOT LIKE HILLARY CLINTON.
>> DICKERSON: ARE WOMEN -- DO THEY HAVE THE SAME ADVANTAGES OF
MEN IN TODAY'S WORLD, DO THEY -- <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">>> I THINK THEY HAVE COME A LONG
WAY. I THINK I'VE CERTAINLY WITHIN MY
COMPANY DONE THINGS THAT WERE VERY DIFFERENT BECAUSE 30 YEARS
AGO I HAD WOMAN IN CHARGE OF <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">BUILDING A MASSIVE BUILDING ON
FIFTH AVENUE, MORE THAN 0 YEARS <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">AGO.
NOBODY WOULD HAVE DONE THAT IN <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">TERMS OF CONSTRUCTION.
IT WAS UNHEARD OF. I WAS WAY AHEAD, I HAVE SO MANY
WOMEN EXECUTIVES. THEY'RE INCREDIBLE.
BUT I HAVE BEEN GREAT TO WOMEN <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">IN TERMS OF THE WORLD OF
BUSINESS AND I'VE BEEN GIVEN <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">GREAT CREDIT FOR THAT.
>> DICKERSON: YOU WERE GOING TO <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">SEND $2 MILLION ON ADS --
>> NO. I'M GOING TO SPEND $2 MILLION ON
ADS PER WEEK AT LEAST. >> DICKERSON: WHAT DO PEOPLE
NEED TO KNOW? >> I'M PROBABLY WASTING THE
MONEY. BUT I'M $35 MILLION UNDER
BUDGET" WAS GOING TO HAVE THAT <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">SPENT BY NOW I HAVEN'T SPENT
ANYTHING. I ALMOST FEEL GUILTY.
I'M DOING THE ADS, I'M LEADING <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">BY YOU WILL SAY A LOT, YOU CAN
SAY THE CBS POLL, ANY POLL, I'M <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">WINNING BY A LOT.
I DON'T THINK I NEED THE ADS. BUT I'M DOING THEM, I ALMOST
FEEL GUILTY I'M $35 HIGHWAY 40 <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">MILLION UNDER BUDGET.
I WAS GOING TO HAVE AT LEAST $35 <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">MILLION SPENT AS OF JANUARY
WHICH IS NOW. I SPENT ALMOST NOTHING.
I FEEL GUILTY. I'M GOING TO SPEND A LITTLE
MONEY. I WANT TO BE CERTAIN -- I THINK
I'LL DO VERY WELL IN IOWA. I'LL DO REALLY WELL IN NEW
HAMPSHIRE. NEW HAMPSHIRE THE POLLS ARE
VERY, VERY POWERFUL. VERY STRONG.
IN IOWA I'M LEADING. NOBODY SAYS IT.
IN IOWA THE CNN POLL IT'S 33-20 <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">THAT I'M LEADING TED CRUZ IS
SECOND. NOBODY EVER TALKS ABOUT THAT
POLL, THAT WAS IS VERY MAJOR <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">POLL PROBABLY THE MOST EXPENSIVE
POLL TAKEN. BUT I'M AT 33-20.
I THINK I'M GOING TO DO VERY WELL WAYNE WASHINGTON I'D LOVE
TO WIN IOWA. I COULD HAVE SAID IT DIFFERENTLY
I I DO GREAT WITH EVANGELICALS <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">AND TEA PARTY I'M DOING GREAT.
I HAVE REAL GOOD FEELING WITH <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">IOWA.
>> DICKERSON: LAST QUESTION. ANY NEW YEAR'S RESOLUTION?
>> MAKE OUR COUNTRY GREAT AGAIN. <FONT COLOR="#FFFF00">DICKERSON: MR. TRUMP, THANKS
SO MUCH. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
DICKERSON: WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK WITH OUR POLITICAL PANEL.
STAY WITH US.
THIS HOLIDAY SEASON, GET READY FOR HOMECOMINGS.
I SEE YOU BROUGHT A FRIEND?
I WANNA SEE, I WANNA SEE.
LONGING.
SERENDIPITY.
WHAT ARE THE...
CHANCES.
AND GOOD TIDINGS TO ALL.
HANG ONTO YOUR ANTLERS.
IT'S THE EVENT YOU DON'T WANT TO MISS.
IT'S THE SEASON OF AUDI SALES EVENT.
GET UP TO A $2,500 BONUS
FOR HIGHLY QUALIFIED LESSEES
ON SELECT AUDI MODELS.
DICKERSON: WE'RE BACK WITH SOME ANALYSIS FROM OUR POLITICAL
PANEL. RUTH MARCUS IS THE COLUMNIST
WITH THE "WASHINGTON POST." REIHAN SAL MARKS ARE IS
EXECUTIVE EDITOR OF NATIONAL REVIEW.
MOLLY BALL IS POLITICS WRITER FOR ATLANTIC AND JONATHAN MARTIN
NATIONAL POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT.
DONALD TRUMP, IS IT ESSENTIALLY NOW HIS NOMINATION TO LOSE?
ON THE REPUBLICAN SIDE? HE HAS BIG STRUCTURAL
DISADVANTAGES. BUT I'D SAY THE BIGGEST
ADVANTAGE THAT HE HAS IS THIS. YOU JUST SAW HIM TALKING ABOUT
ALL KINDS OF SUBJECTS. BUT IT REALLY IS THE GUT LEVEL
MESSAGE, IF YOU LOOK AT HIS SUPPORT IT IS HEAVILY
CONCENTRATED IN PARTS OF THE COUNTRY WHERE OVER THE LAST 20
YEARS, MANUFACTURING JOBS HAVE DISAPPEARED IN LARGE NUMBERS.
IF YOU LOOK OVER LAST 20 YEARS, WHICH INDUSTRY IS IT THAT
WASHINGTON HAS FOUGHT TO SUPPORT.
THEY WERE REALLY DESPERATE TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR BIG BANKS CAN
COMPETE WITH THE BANKS IN LONDON, IN TOKYO AND ELSEWHERE.
SO THEY PASSED SERIES OF LAWS TO ENSURE THAT THEY WERE IN THE
BEST SHAPE TO COMPETE GLOBALLY. WHERE IF YOU LOOK AT OUR
INDUSTRIES, IF YOU LOOK AT THE RUST BELTS, THESE PARTS OF THE
COUNTRY THESE ARE PARTS OF THE COUNTRY WHERE THEY DON'T REALLY
FEEL LIKE THEY HAVE HAD FRIENDS AND ALLIES.
DONALD TRUMP DOESN'T ACTUALLY TALK ABOUT INDUSTRIALIZATION BUT
WHAT HE DOES SAY IS THAT THE PEOPLE IN CHARGE ARE NOT
LISTENING TO YOU, THEY ARE FUNDAMENTALLY UNTRUSTWORTHY
WHERE AS I AM PLAIN SPOKEN AND CAN BE TRUSTED.
AND WHICHEVER CANDIDATE IS GOING TO WIN IS SOMEONE WHO CAN
CHANNEL THAT ANGER THAT FEELING OF BEING LEFT OUT NOT LISTENED
TO. DICKERSON: DONALD TRUMP SAID
HE'S GOING TO WIN IOWA. I WAS SO STRUCK BY THAT AT
THE END. SO MUCH OF THE EXPECTATION OF
THESE PRIMARIES IS DRIVEN BY WHAT THE CANDIDATES SAY GOING
IN, HOW THEY SET UP THEIR OWN ASSUMPTIONS ABOUT WHAT STATE
THEY'RE CAN GO TO PERFORM WELL, ONLY GOING TO DO WELL.
BY SAY CAN THAT HE BASICALLY HAS RAISED THE BAR ON HIS OWN
CAMPAIGN IN IOWA. THE TO POINT WHERE CRUZ DOES
BEAT THEM IT'S GOING TO BE EVEN MORE OF BLOW FOR TRUMP OTHERWISE
WOULD HAVE. TRUMP IS SO TRUMPIAN HE CAN HELP
THEM SELFIES UNWITTINGLY SORT OF RAISE THE BAR ON HIMSELF.
DENIES THAT HE SAID IT. ICKERSON: A WINNER HAS TO
WIN. THAT'S THE -- THAT'S THE
CHALLENGE WHEN THE VOTES ARE CAST.
THAT IS HIS CHALLENGE. BUT I THINK TO ANSWER YOUR
QUESTION, IT IS HIS TO LOSE RIGHT NOW.
HE MAY WELL NOT WIN IOWA. WE REALLY STILL DO HAVE
QUESTIONS ABOUT WHETHER HE'S TRUMP VOTERS ARE ACTUALLY TRUMP
VOTERS AS OPPOSED TO TRUMP SUPPORTERS.
BUT IT IS -- I THINK ONLY WORD THAT COMES TO MIND HERE WATCHING
YOUR INTERVIEW WITH HIM WAS TERRIFIC APPALLING.
IN TERMS OF HIS LACK OF SUBSTANCE.
HIS LACK OF DEEP THINKING. HIS FAILURE TO ANSWER REALLY
SERIOUS QUESTIONS LIKE THE ONE THAT YOU ASKED HIM ABOUT, WHAT
IS THE IMPLICATION OF YOUR TURNING UP IN THIS ISIS VIDEO.
BECAUSE HE SAID VERY HURTFUL THINGS THAT REALLY CAN ENCOURAGE
PEOPLE TO JOIN ISIS. AND HOW DO YOU DEAL WITH THAT?
HE DOESN'T HAVE ANSWERS TO THESE QUESTIONS OR ANY SERIOUS
QUESTIONS. AND I REALLY AM JUST BY MYSELF
THUNDER STRUCK THAT WE'RE AT 2016 AND AT THIS POINT.
DICKERSON: WE'LL TALK ABOUT MORE OF THIS, MOLLY, WHEN WE GET
BACK. SIT TIGHT.
YOU SIT TIGHT OUT THERE WE'LL BE BACK WITH MORE ANALYSIS FROM OUR
PANEL.
DICKERSON: SOME OF OUR CBS STATIONS ARE LEAVING US NOW.
MOST OF YOU WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK WITH A LOT MORE "FACE THE
NATION."
CLOSED CAPTIONING PROVIDED BY CBS SPORTS DIVISION
JAMES: WEEK 17. REGULAR-SEASON FINALE IN THE
NFL. BOOMER: RYAN FITZPATRICK IN
THE MIDST OF HIS FINEST YEAR. BART: I THINK WE TAKE HIS