>> Stahl: THE REPUBLICAN
NATIONAL CONVENTION THAT BEGINS
TOMORROW IN CLEVELAND WILL STAR
DONALD TRUMP AND HIS CHOSEN
RUNNING MATE THE GOVERNOR OF INDIANA, MIKE PENCE.
THE REPUBLICAN LEADERSHIP HAS
PRAISED PENCE AS A GOOD CHOICE TO UNITE THE PARTY.
HE'S KNOWN AS A RELIABLE
CONSERVATIVE WITH CLOSE TIES TO
THE RELIGIOUS RIGHT AND HE ALSO
HAS GOOD RELATIONS WITH
REPUBLICANS IN CONGRESS, HAVING
SERVED SIX TERMS IN THE HOUSE OF
REPRESENTATIVES.
BUT THERE ARE SIGNIFICANT AREAS
IN TERMS OF VALUES AND POLICY
WHERE HE HAS DIFFERED WITH MR.
TRUMP IN THE PAST.
WE HAD THE CHANCE TO ASK THE TWO
OF THEM ABOUT THAT IN THEIR
FIRST AND ONLY INTERVIEW
TOGETHER, YESTERDAY AFTERNOON IN
NEW YORK, IN TRUMP'S THREE-STORY
PENTHOUSE APARTMENT IN THE TRUMP
TOWER.
FIRST OF ALL, GOVERNOR PENCE
CONGRATULATIONS.
>> Mike Pence: THANK YOU.
>> Stahl: THIS PROBABLY COMES AS
A HUGE, LIFE-CHANGING MOMENT FOR YOU.
>> Pence: IT HAS.
IT'S VERY, VERY HUMBLING AND I
COULDN'T BE MORE HONORED TO HAVE
THE OPPORTUNITY TO RUN WITH, AND
SERVE WITH, THE NEXT PRESIDENT
OF THE UNITED STATES.
>> Stahl: BEFORE WE ACTUALLY
TALK ABOUT THE POLITICS, YOU
KNOW, THERE'VE BEEN SO MANY--
MAJOR WORLD EVENTS VERY
RECENTLY, IN THE LAST WEEK.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN REMEMBER
THE LAST TIME WE HAVE SEEN A
WORLD THIS MUCH IN CHAOS.
YOU EVEN SAID, "IT'S SPINNING
APART."
ARE YOU READY FOR THIS WORLD
THAT WE ARE FACING TODAY?
>> Donald Trump: WE'RE BOTH READY.
I'VE NO DOUBT.
WE NEED TOUGHNESS.
WE NEED STRENGTH.
OBAMA'S WEAK, HILLARY'S WEAK.
AND PART OF IT IS THAT; A BIG PART OF IT.
WE NEED LAW AND ORDER.
WE NEED STRONG BORDERS.
>> Stahl: BUT ALL REACTIONS TO
WHAT'S BEEN GOING ON AREN'T
MUSCULAR.
FOR EXAMPLE, LOOK WHAT HAPPENED IN TURKEY.
THERE WAS A MILITARY COUP IN A
DEMOCRATIC COUNTRY, A N.A.T.O.
ALLY.
HOW WOULD YOU RESPOND TO THAT?
>> Trump: WELL, AS A PRESIDENT
I'M GOING TO BE... YOU KNOW,
THEY'VE BEEN AN ALLY AND I STAY
WITH OUR ALLIES.
THEY HAVE BEEN AN ALLY.
BUT THAT WAS A QUICK COUP.
I WAS ACTUALLY SURPRISED TO SEE HOW WELL IT WAS HANDLED.
AND YOU KNOW WHO REALLY HANDLED
IT? THE PEOPLE.
SO, I MEAN, WE CAN SAY WHAT WE
WANT, BUT THE PEOPLE HANDLED IT.
WHEN THEY SURROUNDED THE ARMY
TANKS... AND WITHOUT THE PEOPLE,
YOU WOULD'VE NEVER HAD IT.
THE MILITARY WOULD'VE TAKEN OVER.
>> Pence: BUT I TRULY DO BELIEVE
THAT THE LARGER ISSUE HERE IS
DECLINING AMERICAN POWER IN THE WORLD.
I TRULY DO BELIEVE THAT HISTORY
TEACHES THAT WEAKNESS AROUSES
EVIL AND WHETHER IT BE THE
HORRIFIC ATTACK IN FRANCE, THE
INSPIRED ATTACKS HERE IN THE
UNITED STATES, THE INSTABILITY
IN TURKEY THAT LED TO A COUP.
I THINK THAT IS ALL A RESULT OF
A FOREIGN POLICY OF HILLARY
CLINTON AND BARACK OBAMA THAT
HAS LED FROM BEHIND AND THAT HAS
SENT AN-AN INEXACT, UNCLEAR
MESSAGE ABOUT AMERICAN RESOLVE.
ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I SAID
YES IN A HEARTBEAT TO RUN WITH
THIS MAN IS BECAUSE HE EMBODIES
AMERICAN STRENGTH, AND I KNOW
THAT HE WILL PROVIDE THAT KIND
OF BROAD-SHOULDERED AMERICAN
STRENGTH ON THE GLOBAL STAGE AS
WELL.
>> Stahl: LET'S-LET'S TALK ABOUT
WHAT HAPPENED IN NICE HORRENDOUS
CARNAGE HORRIBLE, OF INNOCENCE.
>> Trump: HORRIBLE. >> Stahl: HORRIBLE.
YOU SAID YOU WOULD DECLARE WAR AGAINST I.S.I.S.
WHAT EXACTLY DO YOU HAVE...
>> Trump: IT IS WAR.
BY THE WAY, IT IS WAR.
>> Stahl: NO, BUT DOES THAT...
WHEN YOU SAY, "DECLARE WAR," DO
YOU WANT TO SEND AMERICAN TROOPS
IN THERE? IS THAT WHAT YOU MEAN?
>> Trump: LOOK, WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT HATE US.
WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT WANNA WIPE US OUT.
WE'RE GONNA DECLARE WAR AGAINST I.S.I.S.
WE HAVE TO WIPE OUT I.S.I.S. THESE ARE PEOPLE THAT...
>> Stahl: WITH TROOPS ON THE GROUND?
>> Trump: I AM GOING TO HAVE
VERY FEW TROOPS ON THE GROUND.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE UNBELIEVABLE
INTELLIGENCE, WHICH WE NEED,
WHICH, RIGHT NOW, WE DON'T HAVE.
WE DON'T HAVE THE PEOPLE OVER THERE.
WE ARE GOING TO USE... >> Stahl: YOU WANT TO SEND
AMERICANS...
>> Trump: EXCUSE ME-- AND WE'RE
GOING TO HAVE SURROUNDING STATES
AND, VERY IMPORTANTLY, GET
N.A.T.O. INVOLVED BECAUSE WE
SUPPORT N.A.T.O. FAR MORE THAN
WE SHOULD, FRANKLY, BECAUSE YOU
HAVE A LOT OF COUNTRIES THAT
AREN'T DOING WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING.
AND WE HAVE TO WIPE OUT I.S.I.S.
AND SPEAKING OF TURKEY, TURKEY
IS AN ALLY.
TURKEY CAN DO IT BY THEMSELVES.
BUT THEY HAVE TO BE INCENTIVIZED.
FOR WHATEVER REASON, THEY'RE
NOT. SO WE HAVE NO CHOICE.
>> Stahl: BUT I STILL DON'T KNOW
IF YOU'RE GOING TO SEND TROOPS
OVER... >> Trump: VERY LITTLE.
I'M GONNA...
>> Stahl: BUT DECLARE WAR...
>> Trump: ...GET NEIGHBORING
STATES AND I'M GOING TO GET...
WE ARE GOING TO GET N.A.T.O.; WE'RE GOING TO WIPE 'EM OUT.
WE'RE GONNA...
>> Stahl: BUT DECLARE WAR?
>> Pence: LESLEY...
>> Stahl: WHAT DOES THAT MEAN...?
>> Pence: THIS IS... THIS IS THE
KIND... THIS IS THE KIND OF LEADERSHIP THAT AMERICA NEEDS
AND IT...
>> Stahl: BUT WHAT... >> Pence: ...AND IT BEGINS WITH
DECIDING TO DESTROY THE ENEMIES
OF OUR FREEDOM. >> Stahl: HOW?
>> Pence: AND HOW WE DO THAT? I HAVE EVERY CONFIDENCE.
YOU-YOU REMEMBER I SERVED ON THE
FOREIGN AFFAIRS COMMITTEE.
AND I'M VERY CONFIDENT THAT WHEN
DONALD TRUMP BECOMES PRESIDENT
OF THE UNITED STATES, HE'LL GIVE
A DIRECTIVE TO OUR MILITARY
COMMANDERS, BRING TOGETHER OTHER
NATIONS, AND WE WILL USE THE
ENORMOUS RESOURCES OF THE UNITED
STATES TO DESTROY THAT ENEMY.
>> Trump: NOW LOOK, WE ARE GOING
TO GET RID OF I.S.I.S., BIG
LEAGUE.
AND WE'RE GONNA GET RID OF 'EM
FAST.
AND WE'RE GONNA USE SURROUNDING
STATES. WE'RE GONNA USE N.A.T.O.
PROBABLY.
AND WE'RE GONNA DECLARE WAR.
IT IS WAR.
WHEN THE WORLD TRADE CENTER
COMES TUMBLING DOWN, WITH
THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE BEING
KILLED, PEOPLE ARE STILL... I
HAVE FRIENDS THAT ARE STILL...
( overtalk )
>> Stahl: BUT WE DID GO TO WAR
IF YOU REMEMBER.
WE WENT TO IRAQ.
>> Trump: YEAH, YOU WENT TO IRAQ, BUT THAT WAS HANDLED SO
BADLY.
AND THAT WAS A WAR-- BY THE WAY,
THAT WAS A WAR THAT WE SHOULDN'T
HAVE ENTERED BECAUSE IRAQ DID
NOT KNOCK DOWN... EXCUSE ME...
( overtalk )
>> Stahl: YOUR RUNNING MATE...
>> Trump: IRAQ DID NOT... ( overtalk )
>> Stahl: ...VOTED FOR IT
>> Trump: I DON'T CARE.
>> Stahl: WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU
DON'T CARE THAT HE VOTED FOR?
>> Trump: IT'S A LONG TIME AGO.
AND HE VOTED THAT WAY AND THEY
WERE ALSO MISLED.
A LOT OF INFORMATION WAS GIVEN
TO PEOPLE.
( overtalk ) >> Stahl: BUT YOU'VE HARPED ON
THIS. >> Trump: BUT I WAS AGAINST THE
WAR IN IRAQ FROM THE BEGINNING.
>> Stahl: YEAH, BUT YOU'VE USED THAT VOTE OF HILLARY'S THAT WAS
THE SAME AS GOVERNOR PENCE...
( overtalk )
>> Stahl: ...AS THE EXAMPLE OF
HER BAD JUDGMENT.
>> Trump: MANY PEOPLE HAVE, AND
FRANKLY, I'M ONE OF THE FEW THAT
WAS RIGHT ON IRAQ.
>> Stahl: YEAH, BUT WHAT ABOUT
HE... ( overtalk )
>> Trump: HE'S ENTITLED TO MAKE A MISTAKE EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE.
>> Stahl: BUT SHE'S NOT?
OKAY, COME ON...
>> Trump: BUT SHE'S NOT.
>> Stahl: SHE'S NOT?
>> Trump: NO. SHE'S NOT.
>> Stahl: GOT IT.
I HAVE TO MOVE ON OR WE'RE NEVER
GONNA FIND OUT WHY HE CHOSE YOU.
( laughter )
WHY DID YOU PICK HIM?
YOU HAD OTHER CANDIDATES...
>> Trump: OKAY, I DID. I HAD A LOT of PEOPLE THAT
WANTED IT; A LOT MORE PEOPLE
THAN ANYBODY...
>> Stahl: THAT CAME TO YOU AND BEGGED YOU FOR IT?
>> Trump: THAT CALLED ME AND
CAME TO ME AND WANTED IT BADLY.
AND, YOU KNOW, THE PRESS DIDN'T
REPORT THAT.
THE PRESS SAID, "WELL, MAYBE HE'S HAVING HARD TIME PICKING."
>> Stahl: WELL, WHAT ABOUT THE
GOVERNOR?
DID HE WANT IT LIKE THAT?
>> Trump: I ACTUALLY BROUGHT IT UP TO HIM.
>> Stahl: OKAY. >> Trump: I GOT TO KNOW HIM
DURING THE... WHEN I WAS IN
INDIANA DURING THE PRIMARIES
AND I DID VERY WELL IN INDIANA
LIKE I DID JUST ABOUT EVERYWHERE
ELSE IN ALL FAIRNESS.
BUT... I GOT TO KNOW HIM VERY
WELL AND I GAINED GREAT RESPECT
FOR HIM.
AND I LOOKED AT THE NUMBERS,
MEANING THE FINANCIALS, WHICH WE
WOULD SAY IN BUSINESS.
BUT I LOOKED AT THE NUMBERS.
UNEMPLOYMENT?
WHAT A GREAT JOB HE DID. JOBS?
WHAT A GREAT JOB HE DID.
TRIPLE-A RATING ON HIS BONDS.
>> Stahl: BUT YOU WENT TO HIM
AND SAID...
>> Trump: I DID--
>> Stahl: WOULD YOU WANT TO BE
CONSIDERED... >> Trump: I BROACHED IT.
>> Stahl: HE DIDN'T...
>> Stahl: AND THEN HE SAID, "I-I REALLY WANT IT."
SO WHY DID YOU PICK HIM?
>> Trump: I WOULD SAY THAT HE
THOUGHT ABOUT IT A LITTLE BIT.
AND ABOUT TWO SECONDS LATER, HE
CALLED ME, WITH HIS INCREDIBLE WIFE, AND SAID...
>> Stahl: THAT I'D LIKE TO BE...
BUT WHAT...
>> Trump: LIKE MANY OTHERS.
>> Stahl: HOW DOES HE HELP YOU?
HOW DOES HE HELP YOU WIN IN
TERMS OF GROUPS OF PEOPLE?
AND WHAT IS YOUR WEAKNESS THAT
HE COMPENSATES FOR AND SO FORTH?
>> Trump: WELL, I WENT FOR THE
QUALITY INDIVIDUAL RATHER THAN
I'M GONNA WIN A STATE, BECAUSE
I'M DOING VERY WELL IN INDIANA
AND I GUESS I'M A LOT UP.
AND I THINK I'M GONNA WIN INDIANA.
I HAVE A GREAT RELATIONSHIP AND
BOBBY KNIGHT HELPED ME SO MUCH WITH INDIANA.
INDIANA'S A GREAT PLACE; GREAT
STATE.
( overtalk )
>> Stahl: WHY DIDN'T YOU PICK HIM?
NO, I'M JOKING-- MOVING ON.
>> Trump: HE WOULD'VE BEEN VERY GOOD.
BUT HE'S A TERRIFIC GUY.
BUT-BUT I REALLY LIKE HIM AS AN
INDIVIDUAL.
>> Stahl: SO YOU MUST'VE
CONSIDERED, OBVIOUSLY, BY THE
REACTION TO YOUR CHOICE, A LOT
OF THE CONSERVATIVES ARE VERY
HAPPY.
>> Trump: VERY HAPPY.
>> Stahl: WAS THAT PART OF THE...
>> Trump: YES, IT WAS PARTY UNITY.
I'M AN OUTSIDER.
I AM A PERSON THAT USED TO BE
ESTABLISHMENT WHEN I'D GIVE THEM HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF
DOLLARS.
BUT WHEN I DECIDED TO RUN, I
BECAME VERY ANTI-ESTABLISHMENT
BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND THE
SYSTEM...
>> Stahl: IS HE ESTABLISHMENT?
>> Trump: ...THAN ANYBODY ELSE.
HE'S VERY ESTABLISHMENT, IN MANY
WAYS, AND THAT'S NOT A BAD THING.
BUT I WILL TELL YOU...
>> Stahl: THAT'S KIND OF INTERESTING...
>> Trump: I HAVE SEEN MORE
PEOPLE THAT, FRANKLY, DID NOT
LIKE ME SO MUCH, AND NOW THEY'RE
SAYING, "WHAT A GREAT PICK."
YOU SEE THE KIND OF REACTION.
HE-HE HAS HELPED BRING THE PARTY
TOGETHER.
I UNDERSTAND.
LOOK, I GOT MORE VOTES THAN
ANYBODY, BUT I ALSO UNDERSTAND THERE'S A FACTION...
>> Stahl: IS IT ALREADY UNIFIED,
DO YOU THINK?
>> Trump: I THINK IT'S VERY CLOSE TO UNIFIED.
AND I WILL SAY...
>> Stahl: JUST BECAUSE OF THIS PICK?
>> Trump: NO. I THINK IT'S BE... I THINK IT
WAS MUCH MORE UNIFIED THAN
PEOPLE THOUGHT.
YOU SAW THAT WITH THE RECENT
VOTE WHERE WE WON IN A
LANDSLIDE.
YOU SAW THAT WITH THE BIG VOTE
THE PRIMARY VOTE.
I THINK IT'S FAR MORE UNIFIED
THAN THE PRESS LETS ON.
BUT HAVING GOVERNOR MIKE PENCE
HAS REALLY... PEOPLE THAT I
WASN'T NECESSARILY LIKING OR
GETTING ALONG ARE LOVING THIS
PICK, BECAUSE THEY HAVE SUCH RESPECT FOR HIM.
>> Stahl: AND THAT WAS...
>> Trump: AND THE PARTY UNITY IS
OKAY. YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S OKAY TO
SAY I PICKED SOMEBODY, BECAUSE
I... AS ONE OF THE THINGS.
BUT I REALLY BELIEVE THE MAIN
REASON I PICKED HIM IS THE
INCREDIBLE JOB HE'S DONE.
JUST LOOK AT THE ECONOMICS OF INDIANA...
>> Stahl: INDIANA...
>> Trump: ...AND WHAT'S GOING
ON.
>> Stahl: BUT WHAT ABOUT THE CHEMISTRY BETWEEN YOU TWO?
YOU DON'T REALLY KNOW EACH OTHER THAT WELL.
YOU'RE... AT LEAST I'VE READ, A
VERY LOW-KEY, VERY RELIGIOUS.
YOU'RE A BRASH NEW YORKER...
>> Trump: RELIGIOUS.
>> Stahl: RELIGIOUS?
>> Trump: RELIGIOUS... >> Stahl: ARE YOU?
>> Trump: YEAH, RELIGIOUS.
>> Stahl: ...YOU WOULDN'T...
>> Trump: HEY, I WON THE
EVANGELICALS. THE EVANGELICALS...
>> Stahl: THAT DOESN'T...
>> Pence: YOU KNOW, NOBODY THOUGHT...
>> Trump: ...WELL, I THINK IT MEANS A LOT.
I DON'T THINK THEY THINK I'M
PERFECT, AND THEY WOULD GET UP
AND THEY WOULD SAY, "YOU KNOW,
HE'S NOT PERFECT," BUT...
>> Stahl: THEY'D POINT TO THE...
>> Trump: ...THEY LIKE ME... >> Stahl: ...DIVORCES...
>> Trump: BUT I WON. I WON STATES WITH EVANGELICALS
THAT NOBODY THOUGHT I'D EVEN COME CLOSE TO.
>> Stahl: WELL, THAT'S TRUE... >> Trump: AND I WON...
>> Stahl: SO YOU DIDN'T...
>> Trump: ...WITH LANDSLIDES... >> Stahl: ...NEED HIM FOR THE
EVANGELICALS? >> Trump: I THINK IT HELPS.
BUT I DON'T THINK I NEEDED HIM NO, BECAUSE I WON WITH
EVANGELICALS.
>> Pence: BUT I THINK WE HAVE
MORE IN COMMON...
>> Stahl: YEAH, TELL ME...
>> Pence: THAN...
>> Stahl: ...WHAT YOU THINK YOU
HAVE IN COMMON.
>> Trump: WHAT MIGHT BE
IMMEDIATELY OBVIOUS. >> Stahl: BESIDES ISSUES.
VALUES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. >> Trump: I THINK WE WILL HAVE
VERY, VERY GOOD CHEMISTRY.
I FEEL THAT. AND I CAN FEEL THAT PRETTY EARLY
ON.
I DON'T THINK YOU NEED TO BE
WITH SOMEBODY FOR TWO YEARS TO FIND THAT OUT.
MY FEELING IS...
>> Stahl: YOUR GUT FEELING.
>> Trump: I KNEW HIM DURING THE
PRIMARIES, DURING MANY TRIPS TO
INDIANA, I'D BE WITH HIM.
I THINK WE HAVE A GREAT
CHEMISTRY.
>> Stahl: I WANT TO ASK YOU
THOUGH ABOUT SOMETHING YOU'VE
SAID ABOUT NEGATIVE CAMPAIGNING.
>> Trump: YEAH.
>> Stahl: YOU SAID NEGATIVE
CAMPAIGNING IS WRONG, AND A
CAMPAIGN OUGHT TO DEMONSTRATE
THE BASIC DECENCY OF THE CANDIDATE.
>> Pence: RIGHT.
>> Stahl: WITH THAT IN MIND, WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT YOUR
RUNNING MATE'S CAMPAIGN AND THE
TONE AND THE NEGATIVITY OF IT?
>> Pence: I THINK THIS IS A GOOD MAN WHO'S BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE
ISSUES THE AMERICAN PEOPLE CARE
ABOUT.
>> Stahl: BUT NAME CALLING?
>> Pence: IN THAT...
>> Stahl: "LYIN' TED?"
>> Pence: IN THE ESSAY THAT I
WROTE A LONG TIME AGO, I SAID
CAMPAIGNS OUGHT TO BE ABOUT
SOMETHING MORE IMPORTANT THAN
JUST ONE CANDIDATE'S ELECTION.
AND-AND THIS CAMPAIGN AND DONALD
TRUMP'S CANDIDACY HAS BEEN ABOUT
THE ISSUES THE AMERICAN PEOPLE
CARE ABOUT.
>> Stahl: BUT WHAT ABOUT...
>> Trump: LESLEY, LESLEY...
>> Stahl: ...THE NEGATIVE SIDE?
HE APOLOGIZED FOR BEING A NEGATIVE...
>> Trump: WE'RE DIFFERENT PEOPLE.
I UNDERSTAND THAT.
I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE.
HILLARY CLINTON IS A LIAR.
HILLARY CLINTON-- THAT WAS JUST
PROVEN--
>> Stahl: THAT'S...
>> Trump: ...LAST WEEK.
>> Stahl: THAT'S NEGATIVE. >> Trump: HILLARY CLINTON...
>> Stahl: BY THE WAY...
>> Trump: YOU BETTER BELIEVE IT.
HILLARY CLINTON IS A CROOK. >> Stahl: THAT'S NEGATIVE...
>> Trump: I CALL HER "CROOKED
HILLARY." SHE'S CROOKED HILLARY.
HE WON'T... I-I DON'T... I
DIDN'T ASK HIM TO DO IT, BUT I
DON'T THINK HE SHOULD DO IT
BECAUSE IT'S DIFFERENT FOR HIM.
>> Stahl: BUT HE... >> Trump: HE'S NOT THAT KIND OF
A... >> Stahl: HE PROBABLY...
>> Trump: ...PERSON. WE'RE DIFFERENT PEOPLE.
>> Stahl: DON'T YOU THINK HE...
>> Trump: TO ME SHE'S CROOKED HILLARY. >> Stahl: ...THINKS THAT'S
WRONG? >> Trump: I DON'T THINK HE
SHOULD USE THAT TERM. I'VE NEVER SAID ONE WAY OR THE
OTHER.
BUT TO HIM, I DON'T THINK IT
WOULD SOUND RIGHT, BUT HE WILL
SAY HOW DISHONEST SHE IS BY
GOING OVER THE FACTS.
>> Stahl: BUT WOULD YOU GO TO
HIM... LET'S SAY YOU WON, YOU'RE
THE VICE PRESIDENT, YOUR OFFICE
IS, I ASSUME, DOWN THE HALL, AND
YOU GO IN AND YOU SAY, "YOU
KNOW, YOU SHOULDN'T BE SAYING...
NAME CALLING."
WOULD YOU DO THAT?
WOULD YOU GO IN AND SAY, "YOU
CROSSED THE LINE, I THINK YOU
SHOULD APOLOGIZE"?
WOULD YOU DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT?
>> Pence: LOOK, I... >> Stahl: HE'S LAUGHING.
>> Pence: IT'S PROBABLY...
IT'S... IT'S PROBABLY...
>> Stahl: IT'S OKAY.
>> Pence: ...OBVIOUS TO PEOPLE
THAT OUR STYLES ARE DIFFERENT.
BUT I PROMISE YOU, OUR VISION IS
EXACTLY THE SAME.
>> Stahl: NO, BUT WOULD YOU...
>> Pence: AND LET ME BE CLEAR...
>> Stahl: WILL YOU ANSWER THAT?
WOULD YOU GO IN?
>> Pence: WELL THE... ONE OF THE
THINGS I FOUND OUT ABOUT THIS
MAN IS HE APPRECIATES CANDOR. AND...
>> Stahl: SO YOU WOULD GO IN--
>> Pence: I-I...
>> Trump: I'D LIKE HIM TO IF HE THINKS I WAS DOING SOMETHING
WRONG.
>> Stahl: WOULD YOU LISTEN TO HIM?
>> Pence: YEAH. >> Stahl: IF HE SAID YOU...
>> Trump: ABSOLUTELY. >> Stahl: ...CROSSED THE LINE?
>> Trump: ABSOLUTELY. I MIGHT NOT APOLOGIZE.
YOU KNOW, YOU SAID APOLOGIZE BUT...
>> Stahl: I DID SAY APOLOGIZE.
>> Trump: BUT I MIGHT NOT DO THAT, BUT...
( laughter )
I WOULD ABSOLUTELY WANT HIM TO
COME IN IF HE THINKS I'M DOING SOMETHING WRONG.
MIKE, I WOULD WANT HIM TO COME
IN AND SAY, REALLY, YOU'RE
DOING, YOU GOTTA... AND THAT'S
OKAY.
I ACCEPT THAT FROM MY
CONSULTANTS AND MY PEOPLE AND IF
MIKE CAME IN AND TOLD ME, YOU
KNOW, "I THINK YOU SHOULD DO
THIS OR THAT..."
>> Stahl: BACK OFF THAT.
>> Trump: I WOULD LISTEN AND
VERY LIKELY LISTEN TO HIM.
>> Stahl: DO YOU THINK JOHN
McCAIN IS NOT A HERO BECAUSE HE
WAS CAPTURED?
>> Pence: I HAVE A GREAT DEAL OF RESPECT FOR JOHN McCAIN, AND...
>> Stahl: DO YOU THINK HE WENT
TOO FAR?
>> Trump: YOU COULD SAY YES.
I... THAT'S OKAY.
THAT ONE, YOU COULD SAY YES, I
MEAN, YOU'RE NOT... IT'S FINE.
HEY, LOOK, I LIKE JOHN McCAIN.
BUT WE HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF OUR
VETS. >> Stahl: NO, BUT I WANT TO KNOW
IF... >> Trump: OKAY, BUT I'M JUST...
>> Stahl: MR. PENCE WOULD GO IN
AND SAY TO YOU... >> Trump: I'M JUST SAYING,
THAT'S WHY NOT THAT MANY PEOPLE ARE THAT UPSET.
>> Stahl: WHAT ARE YOU... WHAT DID YOU SAY?
YOU KNOW, WOULD YOU DO SOMETHING
LIKE THAT?
>> Pence: I-I PROMISE YOU THAT
WHEN THE CIRCUMSTANCES ARISE
WHERE I HAVE A DIFFERENCE ON
POLICY OR ON PRESENTATION, I-I-I
HAVE... I CAN TELL YOU IN MY
HEART, I KNOW I WOULD HAVE NO
HESITATION, WERE I PRIVILEGED TO
BE VICE PRESIDENT, TO WALK INTO
THE PRESIDENT'S OFFICE, CLOSE THE DOOR, AND SHARE MY HEART.
AND I ALSO KNOW THIS GOOD MAN
WOULD LISTEN, AND HAS... AND HAS
THE LEADERSHIP QUALITIES TO DRAW
FROM THE PEOPLE AROUND HIM.
>> Stahl: LET'S TALK ABOUT SOME
OF THE ISSUES.
BECAUSE THERE SEEMS TO BE SOME
DAYLIGHT BETWEEN YOU TWO, AND WE
CAN JUST TICK... GO QUICKLY
THROUGH THESE.
IMMIGRATION.
MR. TRUMP, YOU HAVE CALLED FOR A
TEMPORARY BAN ON MUSLIMS
ENTERING THE UNITED STATES.
DO YOU AGREE WITH THAT?
>> Pence: I DO.
IN FACT, IN INDIANA WE SUSPENDED
THE SYRIAN REFUGEE PROGRAM IN
THE... IN THE WAKE OF THE
TERRORIST ATTACK.
WE HAVE NO HIGHER PRIORITY THAN
THE SAFETY AND SECURITY OF THE
PEOPLE OF THIS COUNTRY, AND-AND
DONALD TRUMP...
>> Stahl: NOW IN DECEMBER...
>> Pence: IS RIGHT TO ARTICULATE THAT VIEW.
>> Stahl: IN DECEMBER YOU
TWEETED, AND I QUOTE YOU, "CALLS
TO BAN MUSLIMS FROM ENTERING THE
U.S. ARE OFFENSIVE AND
UNCONSTITUTIONAL."
>> Trump: SO YOU CALL IT
TERRITORIES.
OKAY?
WE'RE GONNA DO TERRITORIES.
WE'RE GONNA NOT LET PEOPLE COME
IN FROM SYRIA THAT NOBODY KNOWS WHO THEY ARE.
HILLARY CLINTON WANTS 550% MORE
PEOPLE TO COME IN THAN OBAMA.
>> Stahl: SO YOU...
>> Trump: WHO DOESN'T KNOW WHAT
HE'S... >> Stahl: SO YOU'RE CHANGING
YOUR POSITION? >> Trump: SO WE'RE GOING TO...
NO, I... CALL IT WHATEVER YOU
WANT. WE'LL CALL IT TERRITORIES, OKAY?
>> Stahl: SO NOT MUSLIMS?
>> Trump: YOU KNOW, THE
CONSTITUTION, THERE'S NOTHING
LIKE IT.
BUT IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY GIVE
US THE RIGHT TO COMMIT SUICIDE AS A COUNTRY, OKAY?
AND I'LL TELL YOU THIS-- CALL IT
WHATEVER YOU WANT, CHANGE
TERRITORIES, BUT THERE ARE
TERRITORIES AND TERROR STATES
AND TERROR NATIONS THAT WE'RE
NOT GONNA ALLOW THE PEOPLE TO COME INTO OUR COUNTRY.
AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE A THING CALLED "EXTREME VETTING."
AND IF PEOPLE WANNA COME IN, THERE'S GONNA BE EXTREME
VETTING.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE EXTREME
VETTING.
THEY'RE GONNA COME IN AND WE'RE
GONNA KNOW WHERE THEY CAME FROM
AND WHO THEY ARE.
>> Pence: YOU JUST ASKED ME IF
I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THAT...
AND I AM.
WHAT-WHAT DONALD...
>> Stahl: YOU'RE ON THE SAME PAGE ON THAT?
>> Pence: WHICH CLEARLY-- CLEARLY THIS MAN IS NOT A
POLITICIAN.
HE DOESN'T SPEAK LIKE A POLITICIAN.
>> Stahl: HE'S DONE PRETTY WELL.
>> Pence: HE-HE SPEAKS FROM HIS
HEART.
>> Trump: IS THAT A GOOD THING?
I THINK THAT'S A GOOD THING.
>> Pence: HE SPEAKS FROM HIS HEART. AND...
>> Stahl: WELL, I...
>> Trump: WELL, I-I SPEAK FROM MY HEART AND MY BRAIN.
JUST SO WE UNDERSTAND... ( laughter )
>> Pence: RIGHT.
>> Trump: THIS IS MAYBE MORE IMPORTANT.
>> Stahl: LET'S GO TO TRADE.
YOU HAVE VOTED FOR EVERY TRADE
AGREEMENT WHEN YOU WERE IN CONGRESS.
>> Pence: I HAVE.
>> Stahl: THAT CAME BEFORE YOU. YOU'RE SUPPORTING THE TRANS-
PACIFIC PARTNERSHIP THAT MR.
TRUMP SAYS WOULD RAPE THIS
COUNTRY.
NOW, ARE YOU GOING TO BE ABLE TO
GO OUT AND CAMPAIGN IN SUPPORT
OF HIS PROTECTIONIST POSITIONS?
>> Pence: I SUPPORT FREE TRADE
AND SO DOES DONALD TRUMP.
>> Stahl: NOT REALLY.
>> Trump: I DO.
I'M FREE TRADE, BUT I WANNA MAKE GOOD DEALS.
NO, NO, I'M ALL FOR FREE
TRADE... >> Stahl: YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT...
>> Trump: KNOW I'M NOT AN
ISOLATIONIST.
A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK BECAUSE I
WANNA MAKE GOOD DEALS...
>> Stahl: YOU WANT TO UNDO THESE...
>> Trump: THESE ARE STUPID
PEOPLE...
WAIT A MINUTE LESLEY, THESE ARE
STUPID PEOPLE THAT THINK THAT.
I WANNA MAKE GREAT DEALS FOR OUR COUNTRY.
WE HAVE DEALS LIKE THE DEAL SIGNED BY BILL CLINTON, NAFTA,
ONE OF THE WORST THINGS THAT
EVER HAPPENED TO THIS COUNTRY IN
TERMS OF TRADE IN TERMS OF
ECONOMICS.
>> Stahl: WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT NAFTA?
>> Pence: YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY
RIGHT. I'VE SUPPORTED FREE TRADE
THROUGHOUT MY CAREER. BUT...
>> Stahl: OKAY.
>> Pence: ...THE TRUTH OF THE
MATTER IS NAFTA HAS PROVISIONS
IN THAT LAW THAT CALL FOR IT TO
BE REVIEWED, THAT HAVE NEVER BEEN... NEVER BEEN INITIATED.
WHAT-WHAT I HEAR DONALD TRUMP
SAYING IS LET'S-LET'S LOOK AT
THESE TRADE AGREEMENTS AND
RECONSIDER THEM AND RENEGOTIATE
THEM. AND...
>> Stahl: AND YOU'RE OKAY WITH
THAT? >> Pence: AND WITH REGARD TO
OTHER TRADE AGREEMENTS, WE'VE
TALKED ABOUT THIS.
I REALLY DO BELIEVE WHEN THE
AMERICAN PEOPLE ELECT ONE OF THE
BEST NEGOTIATORS IN THE WORLD AS
PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES
WE WOULD DO WELL...
>> Trump: WE'RE GONNA BRING BACK
JOBS.
>> Pence: ...TO NEGOTIATE
INDIVIDUALLY WITH COUNTRIES.
>> Trump: WE'RE GONNA BRING BACK
OUR JOBS, WE'RE GONNA BRING BACK OUR WEALTH, WE'RE GONNA TAKE
CARE OF OUR PEOPLE. VERY SIMPLE.
>> Stahl: OKAY. MORE ISSUES.
WATERBOARDING.
MR. TRUMP WANTS TO BRING BACK
WATERBOARDING, AND "A HELL OF A
LOT MORE."
ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH
BRINGING BACK WATERBOARDING?
>> Pence: I DON'T THINK WE
SHOULD EVER TELL OUR ENEMY WHAT
OUR TACTICS ARE.
>> Stahl: BUT WHAT ABOUT THAT?
WHAT ABOUT...
>> Pence: I DON'T... >> Stahl: HE'S PUBLICLY SAID
THAT...
>> Trump: I LIKE THAT ANSWER. >> Pence: I DON'T THINK WE
SHOULD... I-I THINK...
>> Stahl: BUT ARE YOU OKAY WITH
THE IDEA OF WATERBOARDING?
>> Pence: I THINK... I THINK
ENHANCED INTERROGATION SAVED LIVES.
>> Stahl: AND YOU'RE OKAY WITH
THAT?
>> Pence: WHAT I'M OKAY WITH--
WHAT I'M OKAY WITH IS PROTECTING THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.
WHAT I'M OKAY WITH IS WHEN
PEOPLE HAVE THE INTENT TO COME
TO THIS COUNTRY AND TAKE
AMERICAN LIVES, THAT-THAT WE
ARE... OR THAT-THAT WE ARE
PREPARED TO DO WHAT'S NECESSARY
TO GAIN THE INFORMATION TO
PROTECT THE PEOPLE OF THIS COUNTRY.
>> Trump: BUT LESLEY, LET'S STEP
FURTHER.
WE HAVE AN ENEMY, I.S.I.S. AND
OTHERS, WHO CHOP OFF HEADS, WHO
DROWN PEOPLE IN STEEL CAGES AND
WE CAN'T DO WATERBOARDING.
>> Stahl: OKAY, BUT, BUT WHY...
>> Trump: OKAY, THEY'RE NOT
PLAYING...
>> Stahl: ...WOULD YOU USE THEIR
TECHNIQUES? >> Trump: WHAT, THOSE TECHNIQUES
GET INFORMATION. I DON'T CARE WHAT ANYONE SAYS.
>> Stahl: ARE YOU AGREEING WITH
HIM? >> Pence: I AM.
>> Trump: AND GET INFORMATION USING THOSE THINGS.
>> Pence: WHAT I CAN TELL YOU IS
ENHANCED INFORMATION GLEANED
INFORMATION THAT SAVED AMERICAN
LIVES AND, I WAS INFORMED,
PREVENTED INCOMING TERRORIST
ATTACKS ON THIS COUNTRY FROM
BEING SUCCESSFUL.
THE AMERICAN PEOPLE EXPECT THE
PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES
TO BE PREPARED TO SUPPORT ACTION
TO PROTECT THE PEOPLE OF THIS
NATION, AND I KNOW DONALD TRUMP
WILL.
>> Stahl: HAVE YOU ANSWERED ME?
>> Pence: I HAVE.
>> Stahl: LET'S TALK ABOUT THE
CONVENTION. YOU'RE A SHOWMAN.
WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO TO KEEP
IT FROM BEING A SNOOZE-O-RAMA,
AS SOME HAVE HAPPENED.
>> Trump: WELL, I THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE AN EXCITING TIME.
WE'VE GOT SOME WONDERFUL
SPEAKERS.
WE HAVE SOME VERY TALENTED PEOPLE.
MY FAMILY'S GONNA SPEAK.
>> Stahl: WORRIED ABOUT VIOLENCE
OUTSIDE?
THIS IS AN OPEN-CARRY STATE.
PEOPLE CAN CARRY GUNS.
THERE'LL BE DEMONSTRATORS.
THEY'VE ALREADY SAID THEY'RE
GONNA CARRY ASSAULT RIFLES.
ARE YOU WORRIED?
AND WOULD YOU CALL ON PEOPLE NOT
TO CARRY THEIR GUNS?
>> Trump: I HAVE GREAT FAITH IN
LAW ENFORCEMENT.
IF THEY DON'T WANNA TAKE THEIR
GUNS, I THINK THAT'S FANTASTIC.
BUT I HAVE GREAT CONFIDENCE IN
LAW ENFORCEMENT.
THE POLICE LIKE DONALD TRUMP.
IT'S LAW AND ORDER.
AND I HAVE GREAT CONFIDENCE THAT
THEY WILL DO A GREAT JOB.
>> Stahl: THERE'S NO QUESTION IN
ANYBODY'S MIND THAT YOU WANT TO WIN THIS ELECTION.
I DON'T THINK ANYONE WOULD DOUBT THAT.
BUT WHAT ABOUT BEING PRESIDENT?
DO YOU REALLY WANT TO BE
PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES?
>> Trump: I WANNA MAKE AMERICA
GREAT AGAIN.
HONESTLY.
I WANNA MAKE AM... I'M NOT DOING
THIS BECAUSE... I'M SACRIFICING
TREMENDOUS THINGS.
I COULD BE DOING OTHER THINGS.
IT'S LOVELY TO SIT DOWN WITH YOU
AND BE GRILLED.
THAT'S OKAY.
BUT I COULD BE DOING OTHER
THINGS RIGHT NOW.
AND I HAVE SOME OF THE GREATEST
PROPERTIES IN THE WORLD. I COULD BE OUT THERE...
>> Stahl: WOULD YOU RATHER BE OUT THERE?
>> Trump: I TELL YOU WHAT.
I'VE REALLY ENJOYED THIS
PROCESS.
I'VE GOTTEN TO KNOW THE PEOPLE
OF THIS COUNTRY.
I'VE GOTTEN TO KNOW PLACES THAT
I DIDN'T KNOW, THAT I READ
ABOUT, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW.
I'VE ALSO GOTTEN TO SEE THE
PROBLEMS. AND IT'S A MOVEMENT.
NOW, WHEN YOU ASK ME THE
QUESTION, DO I WANNA BE?
>> Stahl: YEAH. >> Trump: I WANNA BE FOR ONE
REASON.
I WANNA MAKE AMERICA SAFE AGAIN,
AND I WANNA MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN.
THAT'S WHY I'M DOING THIS.
AND I LOVE IT.
>> Stahl: AND YOU WANNA GOVERN? I MEAN IT...
>> Trump: I DO WANNA GOVERN.
>> Stahl: IT IS DIFFERENT
BUILDING A MOVEMENT...
>> Trump: I DO I GOVERN MY... I...
>> Stahl: AND THAN GOING IN
THERE WITH THE NITTY GRITTY AND ALL THAT TOUGH DECISION MAKING.
>> Trump: SURE.
NO, NO I WANNA GOVERN.
>> Stahl: OKAY, THIS IS MY
ABSOLUTE FINAL QUESTION. >> Trump: OKAY.
>> Stahl: YOU'RE NOT KNOWN TO BE
A HUMBLE MAN.
BUT I WONDER...
>> Trump: I THINK I AM, ACTUALLY
HUMBLE.
I THINK I'M MUCH MORE HUMBLE
THAN YOU WOULD UNDERSTAND.
>> Stahl: AS YOU THINK ABOUT THE
PROSPECT OF RUNNING THIS COUNTRY
IN THESE TOUGH TIMES WHERE THE
WORLD IS SPINNING APART-- ARE
YOU AWED?
ARE YOU INTIMIDATED?
ARE YOU HUMBLED BY THE ENORMITY
OF THIS?
>> Trump: YOU JUST SAID IT BEST.
>> Pence: MMM.
>> Trump: IN A WORLD THAT'S
SPINNING APART.
THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING OF.
I'M NOT THINKING OF, "OH GEE ISN'T THIS WONDERFUL?
ISN'T THIS GREAT WHAT I'VE
DONE?"
I'VE HAD PEOPLE THAT SAID, "IT
DOESN'T MATTER IF YOU WIN OR
LOSE, WHAT YOU'VE DONE HAS NEVER
BEEN DONE BEFORE.
YOU'RE GONNA GO DOWN IN THE HISTORY BOOKS."
YOU KNOW WHAT I SAY TO 'EM?"
I SAY, "YOU'RE WRONG."
I WILL CONSIDER IT, 'CAUSE I
FUNDED MY OWN PRIMARIES, I'M
FUNDING NOW A LOT OF THIS CAMPAIGN.
I'M PUTTING IN, YOU KNOW, I'VE
SPENT $55 MILLION IN THE
PRIMARIES.
I'M SPENDING A FORTUNATE NOW.
I'LL TELL YOU, IT IS SPINNING.
OUR WORLD IS SPINNING OUT OF CONTROL.
OUR COUNTRY'S SPINNING OUT OF
CONTROL. THAT'S WHAT I THINK ABOUT.
AND I'LL STOP THAT.
>> Stahl: NOT... HUMBLED OR... AWE.
>> Pence: I CAN SAY TO YOU...
WHAT... >> Stahl: GO AHEAD.
>> Pence: TALKING WITH HIM IN PRIVATE SETTINGS, I LOVE THE
WORDS YOU USED BECAUSE THIS MAN
IS AWED WITH THE AMERICAN
PEOPLE, AND HE IS NOT
INTIMIDATED BY THE WORLD.
AND DONALD TRUMP, THIS GOOD MAN,
I BELIEVE, WILL BE A GREAT
PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.
>> Trump: I LOVE WHAT HE JUST
SAID.
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