1 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:06,000 >> Stahl: THE REPUBLICAN 2 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:08,000 NATIONAL CONVENTION THAT BEGINS 3 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:09,000 TOMORROW IN CLEVELAND WILL STAR 4 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:11,000 DONALD TRUMP AND HIS CHOSEN 5 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:14,000 RUNNING MATE THE GOVERNOR OF INDIANA, MIKE PENCE. 6 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:16,000 THE REPUBLICAN LEADERSHIP HAS 7 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:19,000 PRAISED PENCE AS A GOOD CHOICE TO UNITE THE PARTY. 8 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:21,000 HE'S KNOWN AS A RELIABLE 9 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:22,000 CONSERVATIVE WITH CLOSE TIES TO 10 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:24,000 THE RELIGIOUS RIGHT AND HE ALSO 11 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:25,000 HAS GOOD RELATIONS WITH 12 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:27,000 REPUBLICANS IN CONGRESS, HAVING 13 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:28,000 SERVED SIX TERMS IN THE HOUSE OF 14 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:31,000 REPRESENTATIVES. 15 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:33,000 BUT THERE ARE SIGNIFICANT AREAS 16 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:35,000 IN TERMS OF VALUES AND POLICY 17 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:36,000 WHERE HE HAS DIFFERED WITH MR. 18 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:39,000 TRUMP IN THE PAST. 19 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:40,000 WE HAD THE CHANCE TO ASK THE TWO 20 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:42,000 OF THEM ABOUT THAT IN THEIR 21 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:44,000 FIRST AND ONLY INTERVIEW 22 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:46,000 TOGETHER, YESTERDAY AFTERNOON IN 23 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:48,000 NEW YORK, IN TRUMP'S THREE-STORY 24 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:49,000 PENTHOUSE APARTMENT IN THE TRUMP 25 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:51,000 TOWER. 26 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:52,000 FIRST OF ALL, GOVERNOR PENCE 27 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:53,000 CONGRATULATIONS. 28 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:54,000 >> Mike Pence: THANK YOU. 29 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:57,000 >> Stahl: THIS PROBABLY COMES AS 30 00:00:57,000 --> 00:00:58,000 A HUGE, LIFE-CHANGING MOMENT FOR YOU. 31 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:00,000 >> Pence: IT HAS. 32 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:03,000 IT'S VERY, VERY HUMBLING AND I 33 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:04,000 COULDN'T BE MORE HONORED TO HAVE 34 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:06,000 THE OPPORTUNITY TO RUN WITH, AND 35 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:07,000 SERVE WITH, THE NEXT PRESIDENT 36 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:09,000 OF THE UNITED STATES. 37 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:10,000 >> Stahl: BEFORE WE ACTUALLY 38 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:12,000 TALK ABOUT THE POLITICS, YOU 39 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:14,000 KNOW, THERE'VE BEEN SO MANY-- 40 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:15,000 MAJOR WORLD EVENTS VERY 41 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:18,000 RECENTLY, IN THE LAST WEEK. 42 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:19,000 I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN REMEMBER 43 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:21,000 THE LAST TIME WE HAVE SEEN A 44 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:23,000 WORLD THIS MUCH IN CHAOS. 45 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:24,000 YOU EVEN SAID, "IT'S SPINNING 46 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:27,000 APART." 47 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:28,000 ARE YOU READY FOR THIS WORLD 48 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:30,000 THAT WE ARE FACING TODAY? 49 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:31,000 >> Donald Trump: WE'RE BOTH READY. 50 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:33,000 I'VE NO DOUBT. 51 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:34,000 WE NEED TOUGHNESS. 52 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:36,000 WE NEED STRENGTH. 53 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:40,000 OBAMA'S WEAK, HILLARY'S WEAK. 54 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:42,000 AND PART OF IT IS THAT; A BIG PART OF IT. 55 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:43,000 WE NEED LAW AND ORDER. 56 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:45,000 WE NEED STRONG BORDERS. 57 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:46,000 >> Stahl: BUT ALL REACTIONS TO 58 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:47,000 WHAT'S BEEN GOING ON AREN'T 59 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:49,000 MUSCULAR. 60 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:52,000 FOR EXAMPLE, LOOK WHAT HAPPENED IN TURKEY. 61 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:54,000 THERE WAS A MILITARY COUP IN A 62 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:55,000 DEMOCRATIC COUNTRY, A N.A.T.O. 63 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:57,000 ALLY. 64 00:01:57,000 --> 00:01:59,000 HOW WOULD YOU RESPOND TO THAT? 65 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:01,000 >> Trump: WELL, AS A PRESIDENT 66 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:02,000 I'M GOING TO BE... YOU KNOW, 67 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:03,000 THEY'VE BEEN AN ALLY AND I STAY 68 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:05,000 WITH OUR ALLIES. 69 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:07,000 THEY HAVE BEEN AN ALLY. 70 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:10,000 BUT THAT WAS A QUICK COUP. 71 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:12,000 I WAS ACTUALLY SURPRISED TO SEE HOW WELL IT WAS HANDLED. 72 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:13,000 AND YOU KNOW WHO REALLY HANDLED 73 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:14,000 IT? THE PEOPLE. 74 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:15,000 SO, I MEAN, WE CAN SAY WHAT WE 75 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:16,000 WANT, BUT THE PEOPLE HANDLED IT. 76 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:19,000 WHEN THEY SURROUNDED THE ARMY 77 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:20,000 TANKS... AND WITHOUT THE PEOPLE, 78 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:21,000 YOU WOULD'VE NEVER HAD IT. 79 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:22,000 THE MILITARY WOULD'VE TAKEN OVER. 80 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:24,000 >> Pence: BUT I TRULY DO BELIEVE 81 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:26,000 THAT THE LARGER ISSUE HERE IS 82 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:29,000 DECLINING AMERICAN POWER IN THE WORLD. 83 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:30,000 I TRULY DO BELIEVE THAT HISTORY 84 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:33,000 TEACHES THAT WEAKNESS AROUSES 85 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:35,000 EVIL AND WHETHER IT BE THE 86 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:36,000 HORRIFIC ATTACK IN FRANCE, THE 87 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:39,000 INSPIRED ATTACKS HERE IN THE 88 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:40,000 UNITED STATES, THE INSTABILITY 89 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:42,000 IN TURKEY THAT LED TO A COUP. 90 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:44,000 I THINK THAT IS ALL A RESULT OF 91 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:46,000 A FOREIGN POLICY OF HILLARY 92 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:48,000 CLINTON AND BARACK OBAMA THAT 93 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:50,000 HAS LED FROM BEHIND AND THAT HAS 94 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:53,000 SENT AN-AN INEXACT, UNCLEAR 95 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:54,000 MESSAGE ABOUT AMERICAN RESOLVE. 96 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:56,000 ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I SAID 97 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:59,000 YES IN A HEARTBEAT TO RUN WITH 98 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:01,000 THIS MAN IS BECAUSE HE EMBODIES 99 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:03,000 AMERICAN STRENGTH, AND I KNOW 100 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:04,000 THAT HE WILL PROVIDE THAT KIND 101 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:05,000 OF BROAD-SHOULDERED AMERICAN 102 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:06,000 STRENGTH ON THE GLOBAL STAGE AS 103 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:07,000 WELL. 104 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:09,000 >> Stahl: LET'S-LET'S TALK ABOUT 105 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:10,000 WHAT HAPPENED IN NICE HORRENDOUS 106 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:13,000 CARNAGE HORRIBLE, OF INNOCENCE. 107 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:16,000 >> Trump: HORRIBLE. >> Stahl: HORRIBLE. 108 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:18,000 YOU SAID YOU WOULD DECLARE WAR AGAINST I.S.I.S. 109 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:19,000 WHAT EXACTLY DO YOU HAVE... 110 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:20,000 >> Trump: IT IS WAR. 111 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:21,000 BY THE WAY, IT IS WAR. 112 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:22,000 >> Stahl: NO, BUT DOES THAT... 113 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:23,000 WHEN YOU SAY, "DECLARE WAR," DO 114 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:24,000 YOU WANT TO SEND AMERICAN TROOPS 115 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:26,000 IN THERE? IS THAT WHAT YOU MEAN? 116 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:28,000 >> Trump: LOOK, WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT HATE US. 117 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:31,000 WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT WANNA WIPE US OUT. 118 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:33,000 WE'RE GONNA DECLARE WAR AGAINST I.S.I.S. 119 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:35,000 WE HAVE TO WIPE OUT I.S.I.S. THESE ARE PEOPLE THAT... 120 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:36,000 >> Stahl: WITH TROOPS ON THE GROUND? 121 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:38,000 >> Trump: I AM GOING TO HAVE 122 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:39,000 VERY FEW TROOPS ON THE GROUND. 123 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:41,000 WE'RE GONNA HAVE UNBELIEVABLE 124 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:42,000 INTELLIGENCE, WHICH WE NEED, 125 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:44,000 WHICH, RIGHT NOW, WE DON'T HAVE. 126 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:46,000 WE DON'T HAVE THE PEOPLE OVER THERE. 127 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:47,000 WE ARE GOING TO USE... >> Stahl: YOU WANT TO SEND 128 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:48,000 AMERICANS... 129 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:49,000 >> Trump: EXCUSE ME-- AND WE'RE 130 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:50,000 GOING TO HAVE SURROUNDING STATES 131 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:53,000 AND, VERY IMPORTANTLY, GET 132 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:54,000 N.A.T.O. INVOLVED BECAUSE WE 133 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:55,000 SUPPORT N.A.T.O. FAR MORE THAN 134 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:56,000 WE SHOULD, FRANKLY, BECAUSE YOU 135 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:57,000 HAVE A LOT OF COUNTRIES THAT 136 00:03:57,000 --> 00:03:59,000 AREN'T DOING WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING. 137 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:00,000 AND WE HAVE TO WIPE OUT I.S.I.S. 138 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:01,000 AND SPEAKING OF TURKEY, TURKEY 139 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:04,000 IS AN ALLY. 140 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:07,000 TURKEY CAN DO IT BY THEMSELVES. 141 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:09,000 BUT THEY HAVE TO BE INCENTIVIZED. 142 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:10,000 FOR WHATEVER REASON, THEY'RE 143 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:13,000 NOT. SO WE HAVE NO CHOICE. 144 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:14,000 >> Stahl: BUT I STILL DON'T KNOW 145 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:15,000 IF YOU'RE GOING TO SEND TROOPS 146 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:16,000 OVER... >> Trump: VERY LITTLE. 147 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:17,000 I'M GONNA... 148 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:18,000 >> Stahl: BUT DECLARE WAR... 149 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:19,000 >> Trump: ...GET NEIGHBORING 150 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:20,000 STATES AND I'M GOING TO GET... 151 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:21,000 WE ARE GOING TO GET N.A.T.O.; WE'RE GOING TO WIPE 'EM OUT. 152 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:22,000 WE'RE GONNA... 153 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:23,000 >> Stahl: BUT DECLARE WAR? 154 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:24,000 >> Pence: LESLEY... 155 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:25,000 >> Stahl: WHAT DOES THAT MEAN...? 156 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:26,000 >> Pence: THIS IS... THIS IS THE 157 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:27,000 KIND... THIS IS THE KIND OF LEADERSHIP THAT AMERICA NEEDS 158 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:30,000 AND IT... 159 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:31,000 >> Stahl: BUT WHAT... >> Pence: ...AND IT BEGINS WITH 160 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:32,000 DECIDING TO DESTROY THE ENEMIES 161 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:34,000 OF OUR FREEDOM. >> Stahl: HOW? 162 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:36,000 >> Pence: AND HOW WE DO THAT? I HAVE EVERY CONFIDENCE. 163 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:37,000 YOU-YOU REMEMBER I SERVED ON THE 164 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:38,000 FOREIGN AFFAIRS COMMITTEE. 165 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:40,000 AND I'M VERY CONFIDENT THAT WHEN 166 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:42,000 DONALD TRUMP BECOMES PRESIDENT 167 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:43,000 OF THE UNITED STATES, HE'LL GIVE 168 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:45,000 A DIRECTIVE TO OUR MILITARY 169 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:47,000 COMMANDERS, BRING TOGETHER OTHER 170 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:48,000 NATIONS, AND WE WILL USE THE 171 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:50,000 ENORMOUS RESOURCES OF THE UNITED 172 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:53,000 STATES TO DESTROY THAT ENEMY. 173 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:54,000 >> Trump: NOW LOOK, WE ARE GOING 174 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:55,000 TO GET RID OF I.S.I.S., BIG 175 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:56,000 LEAGUE. 176 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:57,000 AND WE'RE GONNA GET RID OF 'EM 177 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:58,000 FAST. 178 00:04:58,000 --> 00:04:59,000 AND WE'RE GONNA USE SURROUNDING 179 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:01,000 STATES. WE'RE GONNA USE N.A.T.O. 180 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:02,000 PROBABLY. 181 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:03,000 AND WE'RE GONNA DECLARE WAR. 182 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:04,000 IT IS WAR. 183 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:05,000 WHEN THE WORLD TRADE CENTER 184 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:06,000 COMES TUMBLING DOWN, WITH 185 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:07,000 THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE BEING 186 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:08,000 KILLED, PEOPLE ARE STILL... I 187 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:09,000 HAVE FRIENDS THAT ARE STILL... 188 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:10,000 ( overtalk ) 189 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:11,000 >> Stahl: BUT WE DID GO TO WAR 190 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:12,000 IF YOU REMEMBER. 191 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:13,000 WE WENT TO IRAQ. 192 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:14,000 >> Trump: YEAH, YOU WENT TO IRAQ, BUT THAT WAS HANDLED SO 193 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:15,000 BADLY. 194 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:17,000 AND THAT WAS A WAR-- BY THE WAY, 195 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:18,000 THAT WAS A WAR THAT WE SHOULDN'T 196 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:19,000 HAVE ENTERED BECAUSE IRAQ DID 197 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:20,000 NOT KNOCK DOWN... EXCUSE ME... 198 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:21,000 ( overtalk ) 199 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:22,000 >> Stahl: YOUR RUNNING MATE... 200 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:23,000 >> Trump: IRAQ DID NOT... ( overtalk ) 201 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:24,000 >> Stahl: ...VOTED FOR IT 202 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:25,000 >> Trump: I DON'T CARE. 203 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:26,000 >> Stahl: WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU 204 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:27,000 DON'T CARE THAT HE VOTED FOR? 205 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:28,000 >> Trump: IT'S A LONG TIME AGO. 206 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:29,000 AND HE VOTED THAT WAY AND THEY 207 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:30,000 WERE ALSO MISLED. 208 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:31,000 A LOT OF INFORMATION WAS GIVEN 209 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:32,000 TO PEOPLE. 210 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:33,000 ( overtalk ) >> Stahl: BUT YOU'VE HARPED ON 211 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:34,000 THIS. >> Trump: BUT I WAS AGAINST THE 212 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:36,000 WAR IN IRAQ FROM THE BEGINNING. 213 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:37,000 >> Stahl: YEAH, BUT YOU'VE USED THAT VOTE OF HILLARY'S THAT WAS 214 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:39,000 THE SAME AS GOVERNOR PENCE... 215 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:40,000 ( overtalk ) 216 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:41,000 >> Stahl: ...AS THE EXAMPLE OF 217 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:43,000 HER BAD JUDGMENT. 218 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:44,000 >> Trump: MANY PEOPLE HAVE, AND 219 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:45,000 FRANKLY, I'M ONE OF THE FEW THAT 220 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:46,000 WAS RIGHT ON IRAQ. 221 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:47,000 >> Stahl: YEAH, BUT WHAT ABOUT 222 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:48,000 HE... ( overtalk ) 223 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:49,000 >> Trump: HE'S ENTITLED TO MAKE A MISTAKE EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE. 224 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:50,000 >> Stahl: BUT SHE'S NOT? 225 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:51,000 OKAY, COME ON... 226 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:52,000 >> Trump: BUT SHE'S NOT. 227 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:53,000 >> Stahl: SHE'S NOT? 228 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:54,000 >> Trump: NO. SHE'S NOT. 229 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:55,000 >> Stahl: GOT IT. 230 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:56,000 I HAVE TO MOVE ON OR WE'RE NEVER 231 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:57,000 GONNA FIND OUT WHY HE CHOSE YOU. 232 00:05:57,000 --> 00:05:59,000 ( laughter ) 233 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:00,000 WHY DID YOU PICK HIM? 234 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:01,000 YOU HAD OTHER CANDIDATES... 235 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:02,000 >> Trump: OKAY, I DID. I HAD A LOT of PEOPLE THAT 236 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:03,000 WANTED IT; A LOT MORE PEOPLE 237 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:04,000 THAN ANYBODY... 238 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:05,000 >> Stahl: THAT CAME TO YOU AND BEGGED YOU FOR IT? 239 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:06,000 >> Trump: THAT CALLED ME AND 240 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:08,000 CAME TO ME AND WANTED IT BADLY. 241 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:09,000 AND, YOU KNOW, THE PRESS DIDN'T 242 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:10,000 REPORT THAT. 243 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:13,000 THE PRESS SAID, "WELL, MAYBE HE'S HAVING HARD TIME PICKING." 244 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:14,000 >> Stahl: WELL, WHAT ABOUT THE 245 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:15,000 GOVERNOR? 246 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:16,000 DID HE WANT IT LIKE THAT? 247 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:17,000 >> Trump: I ACTUALLY BROUGHT IT UP TO HIM. 248 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:18,000 >> Stahl: OKAY. >> Trump: I GOT TO KNOW HIM 249 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:19,000 DURING THE... WHEN I WAS IN 250 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:21,000 INDIANA DURING THE PRIMARIES 251 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:23,000 AND I DID VERY WELL IN INDIANA 252 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:24,000 LIKE I DID JUST ABOUT EVERYWHERE 253 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:26,000 ELSE IN ALL FAIRNESS. 254 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:28,000 BUT... I GOT TO KNOW HIM VERY 255 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:29,000 WELL AND I GAINED GREAT RESPECT 256 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:30,000 FOR HIM. 257 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:33,000 AND I LOOKED AT THE NUMBERS, 258 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:34,000 MEANING THE FINANCIALS, WHICH WE 259 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:35,000 WOULD SAY IN BUSINESS. 260 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:36,000 BUT I LOOKED AT THE NUMBERS. 261 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:37,000 UNEMPLOYMENT? 262 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:39,000 WHAT A GREAT JOB HE DID. JOBS? 263 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:40,000 WHAT A GREAT JOB HE DID. 264 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:42,000 TRIPLE-A RATING ON HIS BONDS. 265 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:43,000 >> Stahl: BUT YOU WENT TO HIM 266 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:44,000 AND SAID... 267 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:45,000 >> Trump: I DID-- 268 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:46,000 >> Stahl: WOULD YOU WANT TO BE 269 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:47,000 CONSIDERED... >> Trump: I BROACHED IT. 270 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:49,000 >> Stahl: HE DIDN'T... 271 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:50,000 >> Stahl: AND THEN HE SAID, "I-I REALLY WANT IT." 272 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:51,000 SO WHY DID YOU PICK HIM? 273 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:52,000 >> Trump: I WOULD SAY THAT HE 274 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:53,000 THOUGHT ABOUT IT A LITTLE BIT. 275 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:54,000 AND ABOUT TWO SECONDS LATER, HE 276 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:55,000 CALLED ME, WITH HIS INCREDIBLE WIFE, AND SAID... 277 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:56,000 >> Stahl: THAT I'D LIKE TO BE... 278 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:57,000 BUT WHAT... 279 00:06:57,000 --> 00:06:58,000 >> Trump: LIKE MANY OTHERS. 280 00:06:58,000 --> 00:06:59,000 >> Stahl: HOW DOES HE HELP YOU? 281 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:01,000 HOW DOES HE HELP YOU WIN IN 282 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:03,000 TERMS OF GROUPS OF PEOPLE? 283 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:05,000 AND WHAT IS YOUR WEAKNESS THAT 284 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:07,000 HE COMPENSATES FOR AND SO FORTH? 285 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:08,000 >> Trump: WELL, I WENT FOR THE 286 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:09,000 QUALITY INDIVIDUAL RATHER THAN 287 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:11,000 I'M GONNA WIN A STATE, BECAUSE 288 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:12,000 I'M DOING VERY WELL IN INDIANA 289 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:14,000 AND I GUESS I'M A LOT UP. 290 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:15,000 AND I THINK I'M GONNA WIN INDIANA. 291 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:17,000 I HAVE A GREAT RELATIONSHIP AND 292 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:18,000 BOBBY KNIGHT HELPED ME SO MUCH WITH INDIANA. 293 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:19,000 INDIANA'S A GREAT PLACE; GREAT 294 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:20,000 STATE. 295 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:21,000 ( overtalk ) 296 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:22,000 >> Stahl: WHY DIDN'T YOU PICK HIM? 297 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:23,000 NO, I'M JOKING-- MOVING ON. 298 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:24,000 >> Trump: HE WOULD'VE BEEN VERY GOOD. 299 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:27,000 BUT HE'S A TERRIFIC GUY. 300 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:28,000 BUT-BUT I REALLY LIKE HIM AS AN 301 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:29,000 INDIVIDUAL. 302 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:31,000 >> Stahl: SO YOU MUST'VE 303 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:34,000 CONSIDERED, OBVIOUSLY, BY THE 304 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:36,000 REACTION TO YOUR CHOICE, A LOT 305 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:37,000 OF THE CONSERVATIVES ARE VERY 306 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:38,000 HAPPY. 307 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:39,000 >> Trump: VERY HAPPY. 308 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:40,000 >> Stahl: WAS THAT PART OF THE... 309 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:42,000 >> Trump: YES, IT WAS PARTY UNITY. 310 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:44,000 I'M AN OUTSIDER. 311 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:46,000 I AM A PERSON THAT USED TO BE 312 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:47,000 ESTABLISHMENT WHEN I'D GIVE THEM HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF 313 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:49,000 DOLLARS. 314 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:50,000 BUT WHEN I DECIDED TO RUN, I 315 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:51,000 BECAME VERY ANTI-ESTABLISHMENT 316 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:52,000 BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND THE 317 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:53,000 SYSTEM... 318 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:54,000 >> Stahl: IS HE ESTABLISHMENT? 319 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:55,000 >> Trump: ...THAN ANYBODY ELSE. 320 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:56,000 HE'S VERY ESTABLISHMENT, IN MANY 321 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:57,000 WAYS, AND THAT'S NOT A BAD THING. 322 00:07:57,000 --> 00:07:58,000 BUT I WILL TELL YOU... 323 00:07:58,000 --> 00:07:59,000 >> Stahl: THAT'S KIND OF INTERESTING... 324 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:00,000 >> Trump: I HAVE SEEN MORE 325 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:02,000 PEOPLE THAT, FRANKLY, DID NOT 326 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:03,000 LIKE ME SO MUCH, AND NOW THEY'RE 327 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:05,000 SAYING, "WHAT A GREAT PICK." 328 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:07,000 YOU SEE THE KIND OF REACTION. 329 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:09,000 HE-HE HAS HELPED BRING THE PARTY 330 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:10,000 TOGETHER. 331 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:11,000 I UNDERSTAND. 332 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:12,000 LOOK, I GOT MORE VOTES THAN 333 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:13,000 ANYBODY, BUT I ALSO UNDERSTAND THERE'S A FACTION... 334 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:14,000 >> Stahl: IS IT ALREADY UNIFIED, 335 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:15,000 DO YOU THINK? 336 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:16,000 >> Trump: I THINK IT'S VERY CLOSE TO UNIFIED. 337 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:17,000 AND I WILL SAY... 338 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:18,000 >> Stahl: JUST BECAUSE OF THIS PICK? 339 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:19,000 >> Trump: NO. I THINK IT'S BE... I THINK IT 340 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:20,000 WAS MUCH MORE UNIFIED THAN 341 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:22,000 PEOPLE THOUGHT. 342 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:23,000 YOU SAW THAT WITH THE RECENT 343 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:24,000 VOTE WHERE WE WON IN A 344 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:26,000 LANDSLIDE. 345 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:27,000 YOU SAW THAT WITH THE BIG VOTE 346 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:28,000 THE PRIMARY VOTE. 347 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:30,000 I THINK IT'S FAR MORE UNIFIED 348 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:34,000 THAN THE PRESS LETS ON. 349 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:36,000 BUT HAVING GOVERNOR MIKE PENCE 350 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:38,000 HAS REALLY... PEOPLE THAT I 351 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:40,000 WASN'T NECESSARILY LIKING OR 352 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:42,000 GETTING ALONG ARE LOVING THIS 353 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:43,000 PICK, BECAUSE THEY HAVE SUCH RESPECT FOR HIM. 354 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:44,000 >> Stahl: AND THAT WAS... 355 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:45,000 >> Trump: AND THE PARTY UNITY IS 356 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:46,000 OKAY. YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S OKAY TO 357 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:47,000 SAY I PICKED SOMEBODY, BECAUSE 358 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:49,000 I... AS ONE OF THE THINGS. 359 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:50,000 BUT I REALLY BELIEVE THE MAIN 360 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:52,000 REASON I PICKED HIM IS THE 361 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:54,000 INCREDIBLE JOB HE'S DONE. 362 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:55,000 JUST LOOK AT THE ECONOMICS OF INDIANA... 363 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:56,000 >> Stahl: INDIANA... 364 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:57,000 >> Trump: ...AND WHAT'S GOING 365 00:08:57,000 --> 00:08:58,000 ON. 366 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:00,000 >> Stahl: BUT WHAT ABOUT THE CHEMISTRY BETWEEN YOU TWO? 367 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:03,000 YOU DON'T REALLY KNOW EACH OTHER THAT WELL. 368 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:05,000 YOU'RE... AT LEAST I'VE READ, A 369 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:08,000 VERY LOW-KEY, VERY RELIGIOUS. 370 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:10,000 YOU'RE A BRASH NEW YORKER... 371 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:11,000 >> Trump: RELIGIOUS. 372 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:12,000 >> Stahl: RELIGIOUS? 373 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:13,000 >> Trump: RELIGIOUS... >> Stahl: ARE YOU? 374 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:14,000 >> Trump: YEAH, RELIGIOUS. 375 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:15,000 >> Stahl: ...YOU WOULDN'T... 376 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:16,000 >> Trump: HEY, I WON THE 377 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:17,000 EVANGELICALS. THE EVANGELICALS... 378 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:18,000 >> Stahl: THAT DOESN'T... 379 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:19,000 >> Pence: YOU KNOW, NOBODY THOUGHT... 380 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:21,000 >> Trump: ...WELL, I THINK IT MEANS A LOT. 381 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:22,000 I DON'T THINK THEY THINK I'M 382 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:23,000 PERFECT, AND THEY WOULD GET UP 383 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:24,000 AND THEY WOULD SAY, "YOU KNOW, 384 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:25,000 HE'S NOT PERFECT," BUT... 385 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:27,000 >> Stahl: THEY'D POINT TO THE... 386 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:29,000 >> Trump: ...THEY LIKE ME... >> Stahl: ...DIVORCES... 387 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:30,000 >> Trump: BUT I WON. I WON STATES WITH EVANGELICALS 388 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:32,000 THAT NOBODY THOUGHT I'D EVEN COME CLOSE TO. 389 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:34,000 >> Stahl: WELL, THAT'S TRUE... >> Trump: AND I WON... 390 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:35,000 >> Stahl: SO YOU DIDN'T... 391 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:36,000 >> Trump: ...WITH LANDSLIDES... >> Stahl: ...NEED HIM FOR THE 392 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:37,000 EVANGELICALS? >> Trump: I THINK IT HELPS. 393 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:38,000 BUT I DON'T THINK I NEEDED HIM NO, BECAUSE I WON WITH 394 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:39,000 EVANGELICALS. 395 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:40,000 >> Pence: BUT I THINK WE HAVE 396 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:41,000 MORE IN COMMON... 397 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:42,000 >> Stahl: YEAH, TELL ME... 398 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:43,000 >> Pence: THAN... 399 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:44,000 >> Stahl: ...WHAT YOU THINK YOU 400 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:45,000 HAVE IN COMMON. 401 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:46,000 >> Trump: WHAT MIGHT BE 402 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:47,000 IMMEDIATELY OBVIOUS. >> Stahl: BESIDES ISSUES. 403 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:48,000 VALUES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. >> Trump: I THINK WE WILL HAVE 404 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:49,000 VERY, VERY GOOD CHEMISTRY. 405 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:50,000 I FEEL THAT. AND I CAN FEEL THAT PRETTY EARLY 406 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:51,000 ON. 407 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:52,000 I DON'T THINK YOU NEED TO BE 408 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:53,000 WITH SOMEBODY FOR TWO YEARS TO FIND THAT OUT. 409 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:54,000 MY FEELING IS... 410 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:55,000 >> Stahl: YOUR GUT FEELING. 411 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:57,000 >> Trump: I KNEW HIM DURING THE 412 00:09:57,000 --> 00:09:59,000 PRIMARIES, DURING MANY TRIPS TO 413 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:00,000 INDIANA, I'D BE WITH HIM. 414 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:01,000 I THINK WE HAVE A GREAT 415 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:02,000 CHEMISTRY. 416 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:04,000 >> Stahl: I WANT TO ASK YOU 417 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:05,000 THOUGH ABOUT SOMETHING YOU'VE 418 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:06,000 SAID ABOUT NEGATIVE CAMPAIGNING. 419 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:07,000 >> Trump: YEAH. 420 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:08,000 >> Stahl: YOU SAID NEGATIVE 421 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:10,000 CAMPAIGNING IS WRONG, AND A 422 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:12,000 CAMPAIGN OUGHT TO DEMONSTRATE 423 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:15,000 THE BASIC DECENCY OF THE CANDIDATE. 424 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:17,000 >> Pence: RIGHT. 425 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:19,000 >> Stahl: WITH THAT IN MIND, WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT YOUR 426 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:20,000 RUNNING MATE'S CAMPAIGN AND THE 427 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:23,000 TONE AND THE NEGATIVITY OF IT? 428 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:24,000 >> Pence: I THINK THIS IS A GOOD MAN WHO'S BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE 429 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:25,000 ISSUES THE AMERICAN PEOPLE CARE 430 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:26,000 ABOUT. 431 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:27,000 >> Stahl: BUT NAME CALLING? 432 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:28,000 >> Pence: IN THAT... 433 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:29,000 >> Stahl: "LYIN' TED?" 434 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:30,000 >> Pence: IN THE ESSAY THAT I 435 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:31,000 WROTE A LONG TIME AGO, I SAID 436 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:32,000 CAMPAIGNS OUGHT TO BE ABOUT 437 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:34,000 SOMETHING MORE IMPORTANT THAN 438 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:36,000 JUST ONE CANDIDATE'S ELECTION. 439 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:39,000 AND-AND THIS CAMPAIGN AND DONALD 440 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:40,000 TRUMP'S CANDIDACY HAS BEEN ABOUT 441 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:41,000 THE ISSUES THE AMERICAN PEOPLE 442 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:42,000 CARE ABOUT. 443 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:43,000 >> Stahl: BUT WHAT ABOUT... 444 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:44,000 >> Trump: LESLEY, LESLEY... 445 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:45,000 >> Stahl: ...THE NEGATIVE SIDE? 446 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:47,000 HE APOLOGIZED FOR BEING A NEGATIVE... 447 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:48,000 >> Trump: WE'RE DIFFERENT PEOPLE. 448 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:49,000 I UNDERSTAND THAT. 449 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:50,000 I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE. 450 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:52,000 HILLARY CLINTON IS A LIAR. 451 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:53,000 HILLARY CLINTON-- THAT WAS JUST 452 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:54,000 PROVEN-- 453 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:55,000 >> Stahl: THAT'S... 454 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:56,000 >> Trump: ...LAST WEEK. 455 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:57,000 >> Stahl: THAT'S NEGATIVE. >> Trump: HILLARY CLINTON... 456 00:10:57,000 --> 00:10:58,000 >> Stahl: BY THE WAY... 457 00:10:58,000 --> 00:10:59,000 >> Trump: YOU BETTER BELIEVE IT. 458 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:00,000 HILLARY CLINTON IS A CROOK. >> Stahl: THAT'S NEGATIVE... 459 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:01,000 >> Trump: I CALL HER "CROOKED 460 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:03,000 HILLARY." SHE'S CROOKED HILLARY. 461 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:04,000 HE WON'T... I-I DON'T... I 462 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:05,000 DIDN'T ASK HIM TO DO IT, BUT I 463 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:06,000 DON'T THINK HE SHOULD DO IT 464 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:08,000 BECAUSE IT'S DIFFERENT FOR HIM. 465 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:09,000 >> Stahl: BUT HE... >> Trump: HE'S NOT THAT KIND OF 466 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:10,000 A... >> Stahl: HE PROBABLY... 467 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:11,000 >> Trump: ...PERSON. WE'RE DIFFERENT PEOPLE. 468 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:12,000 >> Stahl: DON'T YOU THINK HE... 469 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:13,000 >> Trump: TO ME SHE'S CROOKED HILLARY. >> Stahl: ...THINKS THAT'S 470 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:14,000 WRONG? >> Trump: I DON'T THINK HE 471 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:15,000 SHOULD USE THAT TERM. I'VE NEVER SAID ONE WAY OR THE 472 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:16,000 OTHER. 473 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:18,000 BUT TO HIM, I DON'T THINK IT 474 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:19,000 WOULD SOUND RIGHT, BUT HE WILL 475 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:20,000 SAY HOW DISHONEST SHE IS BY 476 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:22,000 GOING OVER THE FACTS. 477 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:23,000 >> Stahl: BUT WOULD YOU GO TO 478 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:25,000 HIM... LET'S SAY YOU WON, YOU'RE 479 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:26,000 THE VICE PRESIDENT, YOUR OFFICE 480 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:28,000 IS, I ASSUME, DOWN THE HALL, AND 481 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:29,000 YOU GO IN AND YOU SAY, "YOU 482 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:30,000 KNOW, YOU SHOULDN'T BE SAYING... 483 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:31,000 NAME CALLING." 484 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:33,000 WOULD YOU DO THAT? 485 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:34,000 WOULD YOU GO IN AND SAY, "YOU 486 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:35,000 CROSSED THE LINE, I THINK YOU 487 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:36,000 SHOULD APOLOGIZE"? 488 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:38,000 WOULD YOU DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT? 489 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:39,000 >> Pence: LOOK, I... >> Stahl: HE'S LAUGHING. 490 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:40,000 >> Pence: IT'S PROBABLY... 491 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:41,000 IT'S... IT'S PROBABLY... 492 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:43,000 >> Stahl: IT'S OKAY. 493 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:44,000 >> Pence: ...OBVIOUS TO PEOPLE 494 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:46,000 THAT OUR STYLES ARE DIFFERENT. 495 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:47,000 BUT I PROMISE YOU, OUR VISION IS 496 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:48,000 EXACTLY THE SAME. 497 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:49,000 >> Stahl: NO, BUT WOULD YOU... 498 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:50,000 >> Pence: AND LET ME BE CLEAR... 499 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:51,000 >> Stahl: WILL YOU ANSWER THAT? 500 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:52,000 WOULD YOU GO IN? 501 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:53,000 >> Pence: WELL THE... ONE OF THE 502 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:54,000 THINGS I FOUND OUT ABOUT THIS 503 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:55,000 MAN IS HE APPRECIATES CANDOR. AND... 504 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:56,000 >> Stahl: SO YOU WOULD GO IN-- 505 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:57,000 >> Pence: I-I... 506 00:11:57,000 --> 00:11:58,000 >> Trump: I'D LIKE HIM TO IF HE THINKS I WAS DOING SOMETHING 507 00:11:58,000 --> 00:11:59,000 WRONG. 508 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:00,000 >> Stahl: WOULD YOU LISTEN TO HIM? 509 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:01,000 >> Pence: YEAH. >> Stahl: IF HE SAID YOU... 510 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:02,000 >> Trump: ABSOLUTELY. >> Stahl: ...CROSSED THE LINE? 511 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:03,000 >> Trump: ABSOLUTELY. I MIGHT NOT APOLOGIZE. 512 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:04,000 YOU KNOW, YOU SAID APOLOGIZE BUT... 513 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:05,000 >> Stahl: I DID SAY APOLOGIZE. 514 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:06,000 >> Trump: BUT I MIGHT NOT DO THAT, BUT... 515 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:08,000 ( laughter ) 516 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:10,000 I WOULD ABSOLUTELY WANT HIM TO 517 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:12,000 COME IN IF HE THINKS I'M DOING SOMETHING WRONG. 518 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:15,000 MIKE, I WOULD WANT HIM TO COME 519 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:16,000 IN AND SAY, REALLY, YOU'RE 520 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:17,000 DOING, YOU GOTTA... AND THAT'S 521 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:18,000 OKAY. 522 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:19,000 I ACCEPT THAT FROM MY 523 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:22,000 CONSULTANTS AND MY PEOPLE AND IF 524 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:24,000 MIKE CAME IN AND TOLD ME, YOU 525 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:25,000 KNOW, "I THINK YOU SHOULD DO 526 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:26,000 THIS OR THAT..." 527 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:27,000 >> Stahl: BACK OFF THAT. 528 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:28,000 >> Trump: I WOULD LISTEN AND 529 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:29,000 VERY LIKELY LISTEN TO HIM. 530 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:30,000 >> Stahl: DO YOU THINK JOHN 531 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:31,000 McCAIN IS NOT A HERO BECAUSE HE 532 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:33,000 WAS CAPTURED? 533 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:35,000 >> Pence: I HAVE A GREAT DEAL OF RESPECT FOR JOHN McCAIN, AND... 534 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:36,000 >> Stahl: DO YOU THINK HE WENT 535 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:38,000 TOO FAR? 536 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:39,000 >> Trump: YOU COULD SAY YES. 537 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:41,000 I... THAT'S OKAY. 538 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:42,000 THAT ONE, YOU COULD SAY YES, I 539 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:43,000 MEAN, YOU'RE NOT... IT'S FINE. 540 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:44,000 HEY, LOOK, I LIKE JOHN McCAIN. 541 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:45,000 BUT WE HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF OUR 542 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:46,000 VETS. >> Stahl: NO, BUT I WANT TO KNOW 543 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:47,000 IF... >> Trump: OKAY, BUT I'M JUST... 544 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:48,000 >> Stahl: MR. PENCE WOULD GO IN 545 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:49,000 AND SAY TO YOU... >> Trump: I'M JUST SAYING, 546 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:50,000 THAT'S WHY NOT THAT MANY PEOPLE ARE THAT UPSET. 547 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:51,000 >> Stahl: WHAT ARE YOU... WHAT DID YOU SAY? 548 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:52,000 YOU KNOW, WOULD YOU DO SOMETHING 549 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:53,000 LIKE THAT? 550 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:55,000 >> Pence: I-I PROMISE YOU THAT 551 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:57,000 WHEN THE CIRCUMSTANCES ARISE 552 00:12:57,000 --> 00:13:01,000 WHERE I HAVE A DIFFERENCE ON 553 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:04,000 POLICY OR ON PRESENTATION, I-I-I 554 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:05,000 HAVE... I CAN TELL YOU IN MY 555 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:07,000 HEART, I KNOW I WOULD HAVE NO 556 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:08,000 HESITATION, WERE I PRIVILEGED TO 557 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:10,000 BE VICE PRESIDENT, TO WALK INTO 558 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:12,000 THE PRESIDENT'S OFFICE, CLOSE THE DOOR, AND SHARE MY HEART. 559 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:14,000 AND I ALSO KNOW THIS GOOD MAN 560 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:15,000 WOULD LISTEN, AND HAS... AND HAS 561 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:17,000 THE LEADERSHIP QUALITIES TO DRAW 562 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:19,000 FROM THE PEOPLE AROUND HIM. 563 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:20,000 >> Stahl: LET'S TALK ABOUT SOME 564 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:22,000 OF THE ISSUES. 565 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:23,000 BECAUSE THERE SEEMS TO BE SOME 566 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:24,000 DAYLIGHT BETWEEN YOU TWO, AND WE 567 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:25,000 CAN JUST TICK... GO QUICKLY 568 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:26,000 THROUGH THESE. 569 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:28,000 IMMIGRATION. 570 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:29,000 MR. TRUMP, YOU HAVE CALLED FOR A 571 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:30,000 TEMPORARY BAN ON MUSLIMS 572 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:32,000 ENTERING THE UNITED STATES. 573 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:33,000 DO YOU AGREE WITH THAT? 574 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:35,000 >> Pence: I DO. 575 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:36,000 IN FACT, IN INDIANA WE SUSPENDED 576 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:37,000 THE SYRIAN REFUGEE PROGRAM IN 577 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:38,000 THE... IN THE WAKE OF THE 578 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:40,000 TERRORIST ATTACK. 579 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:41,000 WE HAVE NO HIGHER PRIORITY THAN 580 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:42,000 THE SAFETY AND SECURITY OF THE 581 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:43,000 PEOPLE OF THIS COUNTRY, AND-AND 582 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:47,000 DONALD TRUMP... 583 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:48,000 >> Stahl: NOW IN DECEMBER... 584 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:49,000 >> Pence: IS RIGHT TO ARTICULATE THAT VIEW. 585 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:51,000 >> Stahl: IN DECEMBER YOU 586 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:52,000 TWEETED, AND I QUOTE YOU, "CALLS 587 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:53,000 TO BAN MUSLIMS FROM ENTERING THE 588 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:54,000 U.S. ARE OFFENSIVE AND 589 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:55,000 UNCONSTITUTIONAL." 590 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:56,000 >> Trump: SO YOU CALL IT 591 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:57,000 TERRITORIES. 592 00:13:57,000 --> 00:13:58,000 OKAY? 593 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:00,000 WE'RE GONNA DO TERRITORIES. 594 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:01,000 WE'RE GONNA NOT LET PEOPLE COME 595 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:03,000 IN FROM SYRIA THAT NOBODY KNOWS WHO THEY ARE. 596 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:05,000 HILLARY CLINTON WANTS 550% MORE 597 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:06,000 PEOPLE TO COME IN THAN OBAMA. 598 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:07,000 >> Stahl: SO YOU... 599 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:08,000 >> Trump: WHO DOESN'T KNOW WHAT 600 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:09,000 HE'S... >> Stahl: SO YOU'RE CHANGING 601 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:10,000 YOUR POSITION? >> Trump: SO WE'RE GOING TO... 602 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:11,000 NO, I... CALL IT WHATEVER YOU 603 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:12,000 WANT. WE'LL CALL IT TERRITORIES, OKAY? 604 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:13,000 >> Stahl: SO NOT MUSLIMS? 605 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:14,000 >> Trump: YOU KNOW, THE 606 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:15,000 CONSTITUTION, THERE'S NOTHING 607 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:17,000 LIKE IT. 608 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:19,000 BUT IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY GIVE 609 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:23,000 US THE RIGHT TO COMMIT SUICIDE AS A COUNTRY, OKAY? 610 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:24,000 AND I'LL TELL YOU THIS-- CALL IT 611 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:26,000 WHATEVER YOU WANT, CHANGE 612 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:28,000 TERRITORIES, BUT THERE ARE 613 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:30,000 TERRITORIES AND TERROR STATES 614 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:32,000 AND TERROR NATIONS THAT WE'RE 615 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:34,000 NOT GONNA ALLOW THE PEOPLE TO COME INTO OUR COUNTRY. 616 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:36,000 AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE A THING CALLED "EXTREME VETTING." 617 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:37,000 AND IF PEOPLE WANNA COME IN, THERE'S GONNA BE EXTREME 618 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:38,000 VETTING. 619 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:39,000 WE'RE GONNA HAVE EXTREME 620 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:40,000 VETTING. 621 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:42,000 THEY'RE GONNA COME IN AND WE'RE 622 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:43,000 GONNA KNOW WHERE THEY CAME FROM 623 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:44,000 AND WHO THEY ARE. 624 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:45,000 >> Pence: YOU JUST ASKED ME IF 625 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:47,000 I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THAT... 626 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:48,000 AND I AM. 627 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:49,000 WHAT-WHAT DONALD... 628 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:50,000 >> Stahl: YOU'RE ON THE SAME PAGE ON THAT? 629 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:51,000 >> Pence: WHICH CLEARLY-- CLEARLY THIS MAN IS NOT A 630 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:53,000 POLITICIAN. 631 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:55,000 HE DOESN'T SPEAK LIKE A POLITICIAN. 632 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:56,000 >> Stahl: HE'S DONE PRETTY WELL. 633 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:57,000 >> Pence: HE-HE SPEAKS FROM HIS 634 00:14:57,000 --> 00:14:58,000 HEART. 635 00:14:58,000 --> 00:14:59,000 >> Trump: IS THAT A GOOD THING? 636 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:00,000 I THINK THAT'S A GOOD THING. 637 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:01,000 >> Pence: HE SPEAKS FROM HIS HEART. AND... 638 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:02,000 >> Stahl: WELL, I... 639 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:03,000 >> Trump: WELL, I-I SPEAK FROM MY HEART AND MY BRAIN. 640 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:05,000 JUST SO WE UNDERSTAND... ( laughter ) 641 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:06,000 >> Pence: RIGHT. 642 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:08,000 >> Trump: THIS IS MAYBE MORE IMPORTANT. 643 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:11,000 >> Stahl: LET'S GO TO TRADE. 644 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:12,000 YOU HAVE VOTED FOR EVERY TRADE 645 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:14,000 AGREEMENT WHEN YOU WERE IN CONGRESS. 646 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:15,000 >> Pence: I HAVE. 647 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:16,000 >> Stahl: THAT CAME BEFORE YOU. YOU'RE SUPPORTING THE TRANS- 648 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:17,000 PACIFIC PARTNERSHIP THAT MR. 649 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:18,000 TRUMP SAYS WOULD RAPE THIS 650 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:22,000 COUNTRY. 651 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:24,000 NOW, ARE YOU GOING TO BE ABLE TO 652 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:26,000 GO OUT AND CAMPAIGN IN SUPPORT 653 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:30,000 OF HIS PROTECTIONIST POSITIONS? 654 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:31,000 >> Pence: I SUPPORT FREE TRADE 655 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:33,000 AND SO DOES DONALD TRUMP. 656 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:34,000 >> Stahl: NOT REALLY. 657 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:35,000 >> Trump: I DO. 658 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:36,000 I'M FREE TRADE, BUT I WANNA MAKE GOOD DEALS. 659 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:37,000 NO, NO, I'M ALL FOR FREE 660 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:38,000 TRADE... >> Stahl: YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT... 661 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:39,000 >> Trump: KNOW I'M NOT AN 662 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:40,000 ISOLATIONIST. 663 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:41,000 A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK BECAUSE I 664 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:42,000 WANNA MAKE GOOD DEALS... 665 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:43,000 >> Stahl: YOU WANT TO UNDO THESE... 666 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:44,000 >> Trump: THESE ARE STUPID 667 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:47,000 PEOPLE... 668 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:49,000 WAIT A MINUTE LESLEY, THESE ARE 669 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:50,000 STUPID PEOPLE THAT THINK THAT. 670 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:51,000 I WANNA MAKE GREAT DEALS FOR OUR COUNTRY. 671 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:52,000 WE HAVE DEALS LIKE THE DEAL SIGNED BY BILL CLINTON, NAFTA, 672 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:53,000 ONE OF THE WORST THINGS THAT 673 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:54,000 EVER HAPPENED TO THIS COUNTRY IN 674 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:55,000 TERMS OF TRADE IN TERMS OF 675 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:56,000 ECONOMICS. 676 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:57,000 >> Stahl: WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT NAFTA? 677 00:15:57,000 --> 00:15:58,000 >> Pence: YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY 678 00:15:58,000 --> 00:15:59,000 RIGHT. I'VE SUPPORTED FREE TRADE 679 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:00,000 THROUGHOUT MY CAREER. BUT... 680 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:01,000 >> Stahl: OKAY. 681 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:02,000 >> Pence: ...THE TRUTH OF THE 682 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:05,000 MATTER IS NAFTA HAS PROVISIONS 683 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:07,000 IN THAT LAW THAT CALL FOR IT TO 684 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:11,000 BE REVIEWED, THAT HAVE NEVER BEEN... NEVER BEEN INITIATED. 685 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:13,000 WHAT-WHAT I HEAR DONALD TRUMP 686 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:14,000 SAYING IS LET'S-LET'S LOOK AT 687 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:16,000 THESE TRADE AGREEMENTS AND 688 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:17,000 RECONSIDER THEM AND RENEGOTIATE 689 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:18,000 THEM. AND... 690 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:19,000 >> Stahl: AND YOU'RE OKAY WITH 691 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:20,000 THAT? >> Pence: AND WITH REGARD TO 692 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:21,000 OTHER TRADE AGREEMENTS, WE'VE 693 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:23,000 TALKED ABOUT THIS. 694 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:24,000 I REALLY DO BELIEVE WHEN THE 695 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:26,000 AMERICAN PEOPLE ELECT ONE OF THE 696 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:28,000 BEST NEGOTIATORS IN THE WORLD AS 697 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:29,000 PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES 698 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:31,000 WE WOULD DO WELL... 699 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:32,000 >> Trump: WE'RE GONNA BRING BACK 700 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:33,000 JOBS. 701 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:34,000 >> Pence: ...TO NEGOTIATE 702 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:35,000 INDIVIDUALLY WITH COUNTRIES. 703 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:36,000 >> Trump: WE'RE GONNA BRING BACK 704 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:37,000 OUR JOBS, WE'RE GONNA BRING BACK OUR WEALTH, WE'RE GONNA TAKE 705 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:39,000 CARE OF OUR PEOPLE. VERY SIMPLE. 706 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:40,000 >> Stahl: OKAY. MORE ISSUES. 707 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:41,000 WATERBOARDING. 708 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:43,000 MR. TRUMP WANTS TO BRING BACK 709 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:44,000 WATERBOARDING, AND "A HELL OF A 710 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:47,000 LOT MORE." 711 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:48,000 ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH 712 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:50,000 BRINGING BACK WATERBOARDING? 713 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:52,000 >> Pence: I DON'T THINK WE 714 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:53,000 SHOULD EVER TELL OUR ENEMY WHAT 715 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:54,000 OUR TACTICS ARE. 716 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:55,000 >> Stahl: BUT WHAT ABOUT THAT? 717 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:56,000 WHAT ABOUT... 718 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:57,000 >> Pence: I DON'T... >> Stahl: HE'S PUBLICLY SAID 719 00:16:57,000 --> 00:16:58,000 THAT... 720 00:16:58,000 --> 00:16:59,000 >> Trump: I LIKE THAT ANSWER. >> Pence: I DON'T THINK WE 721 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:00,000 SHOULD... I-I THINK... 722 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:01,000 >> Stahl: BUT ARE YOU OKAY WITH 723 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:02,000 THE IDEA OF WATERBOARDING? 724 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:04,000 >> Pence: I THINK... I THINK 725 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:06,000 ENHANCED INTERROGATION SAVED LIVES. 726 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:07,000 >> Stahl: AND YOU'RE OKAY WITH 727 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:08,000 THAT? 728 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:10,000 >> Pence: WHAT I'M OKAY WITH-- 729 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:12,000 WHAT I'M OKAY WITH IS PROTECTING THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. 730 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:14,000 WHAT I'M OKAY WITH IS WHEN 731 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:16,000 PEOPLE HAVE THE INTENT TO COME 732 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:20,000 TO THIS COUNTRY AND TAKE 733 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:21,000 AMERICAN LIVES, THAT-THAT WE 734 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:22,000 ARE... OR THAT-THAT WE ARE 735 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:24,000 PREPARED TO DO WHAT'S NECESSARY 736 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:25,000 TO GAIN THE INFORMATION TO 737 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:27,000 PROTECT THE PEOPLE OF THIS COUNTRY. 738 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:28,000 >> Trump: BUT LESLEY, LET'S STEP 739 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:29,000 FURTHER. 740 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:30,000 WE HAVE AN ENEMY, I.S.I.S. AND 741 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:32,000 OTHERS, WHO CHOP OFF HEADS, WHO 742 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:34,000 DROWN PEOPLE IN STEEL CAGES AND 743 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:36,000 WE CAN'T DO WATERBOARDING. 744 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:37,000 >> Stahl: OKAY, BUT, BUT WHY... 745 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:38,000 >> Trump: OKAY, THEY'RE NOT 746 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:39,000 PLAYING... 747 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:40,000 >> Stahl: ...WOULD YOU USE THEIR 748 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:41,000 TECHNIQUES? >> Trump: WHAT, THOSE TECHNIQUES 749 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:42,000 GET INFORMATION. I DON'T CARE WHAT ANYONE SAYS. 750 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:43,000 >> Stahl: ARE YOU AGREEING WITH 751 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:45,000 HIM? >> Pence: I AM. 752 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:46,000 >> Trump: AND GET INFORMATION USING THOSE THINGS. 753 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:47,000 >> Pence: WHAT I CAN TELL YOU IS 754 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:50,000 ENHANCED INFORMATION GLEANED 755 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:52,000 INFORMATION THAT SAVED AMERICAN 756 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:53,000 LIVES AND, I WAS INFORMED, 757 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:54,000 PREVENTED INCOMING TERRORIST 758 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:55,000 ATTACKS ON THIS COUNTRY FROM 759 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:57,000 BEING SUCCESSFUL. 760 00:17:57,000 --> 00:17:59,000 THE AMERICAN PEOPLE EXPECT THE 761 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:01,000 PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES 762 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:03,000 TO BE PREPARED TO SUPPORT ACTION 763 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:04,000 TO PROTECT THE PEOPLE OF THIS 764 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:05,000 NATION, AND I KNOW DONALD TRUMP 765 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:07,000 WILL. 766 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:08,000 >> Stahl: HAVE YOU ANSWERED ME? 767 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:09,000 >> Pence: I HAVE. 768 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:10,000 >> Stahl: LET'S TALK ABOUT THE 769 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:12,000 CONVENTION. YOU'RE A SHOWMAN. 770 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:13,000 WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO TO KEEP 771 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:14,000 IT FROM BEING A SNOOZE-O-RAMA, 772 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:17,000 AS SOME HAVE HAPPENED. 773 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:18,000 >> Trump: WELL, I THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE AN EXCITING TIME. 774 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:19,000 WE'VE GOT SOME WONDERFUL 775 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:20,000 SPEAKERS. 776 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:22,000 WE HAVE SOME VERY TALENTED PEOPLE. 777 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:24,000 MY FAMILY'S GONNA SPEAK. 778 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:25,000 >> Stahl: WORRIED ABOUT VIOLENCE 779 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:27,000 OUTSIDE? 780 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:28,000 THIS IS AN OPEN-CARRY STATE. 781 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:30,000 PEOPLE CAN CARRY GUNS. 782 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:31,000 THERE'LL BE DEMONSTRATORS. 783 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:32,000 THEY'VE ALREADY SAID THEY'RE 784 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:34,000 GONNA CARRY ASSAULT RIFLES. 785 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:35,000 ARE YOU WORRIED? 786 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:36,000 AND WOULD YOU CALL ON PEOPLE NOT 787 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:38,000 TO CARRY THEIR GUNS? 788 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:39,000 >> Trump: I HAVE GREAT FAITH IN 789 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:41,000 LAW ENFORCEMENT. 790 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:42,000 IF THEY DON'T WANNA TAKE THEIR 791 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:43,000 GUNS, I THINK THAT'S FANTASTIC. 792 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:44,000 BUT I HAVE GREAT CONFIDENCE IN 793 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:46,000 LAW ENFORCEMENT. 794 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:48,000 THE POLICE LIKE DONALD TRUMP. 795 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:50,000 IT'S LAW AND ORDER. 796 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:51,000 AND I HAVE GREAT CONFIDENCE THAT 797 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:52,000 THEY WILL DO A GREAT JOB. 798 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:54,000 >> Stahl: THERE'S NO QUESTION IN 799 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:58,000 ANYBODY'S MIND THAT YOU WANT TO WIN THIS ELECTION. 800 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:01,000 I DON'T THINK ANYONE WOULD DOUBT THAT. 801 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:03,000 BUT WHAT ABOUT BEING PRESIDENT? 802 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:05,000 DO YOU REALLY WANT TO BE 803 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:06,000 PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES? 804 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:07,000 >> Trump: I WANNA MAKE AMERICA 805 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:08,000 GREAT AGAIN. 806 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:09,000 HONESTLY. 807 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:10,000 I WANNA MAKE AM... I'M NOT DOING 808 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:11,000 THIS BECAUSE... I'M SACRIFICING 809 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:15,000 TREMENDOUS THINGS. 810 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:16,000 I COULD BE DOING OTHER THINGS. 811 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:17,000 IT'S LOVELY TO SIT DOWN WITH YOU 812 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:19,000 AND BE GRILLED. 813 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:20,000 THAT'S OKAY. 814 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:21,000 BUT I COULD BE DOING OTHER 815 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:23,000 THINGS RIGHT NOW. 816 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:24,000 AND I HAVE SOME OF THE GREATEST 817 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:26,000 PROPERTIES IN THE WORLD. I COULD BE OUT THERE... 818 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:28,000 >> Stahl: WOULD YOU RATHER BE OUT THERE? 819 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:29,000 >> Trump: I TELL YOU WHAT. 820 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:30,000 I'VE REALLY ENJOYED THIS 821 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:31,000 PROCESS. 822 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:32,000 I'VE GOTTEN TO KNOW THE PEOPLE 823 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:33,000 OF THIS COUNTRY. 824 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:34,000 I'VE GOTTEN TO KNOW PLACES THAT 825 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:35,000 I DIDN'T KNOW, THAT I READ 826 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:37,000 ABOUT, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW. 827 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:38,000 I'VE ALSO GOTTEN TO SEE THE 828 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:39,000 PROBLEMS. AND IT'S A MOVEMENT. 829 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:40,000 NOW, WHEN YOU ASK ME THE 830 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:41,000 QUESTION, DO I WANNA BE? 831 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:42,000 >> Stahl: YEAH. >> Trump: I WANNA BE FOR ONE 832 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:43,000 REASON. 833 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:45,000 I WANNA MAKE AMERICA SAFE AGAIN, 834 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:46,000 AND I WANNA MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN. 835 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:47,000 THAT'S WHY I'M DOING THIS. 836 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:50,000 AND I LOVE IT. 837 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:51,000 >> Stahl: AND YOU WANNA GOVERN? I MEAN IT... 838 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:52,000 >> Trump: I DO WANNA GOVERN. 839 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:53,000 >> Stahl: IT IS DIFFERENT 840 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:54,000 BUILDING A MOVEMENT... 841 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:55,000 >> Trump: I DO I GOVERN MY... I... 842 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:56,000 >> Stahl: AND THAN GOING IN 843 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:57,000 THERE WITH THE NITTY GRITTY AND ALL THAT TOUGH DECISION MAKING. 844 00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:58,000 >> Trump: SURE. 845 00:19:58,000 --> 00:19:59,000 NO, NO I WANNA GOVERN. 846 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:00,000 >> Stahl: OKAY, THIS IS MY 847 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:02,000 ABSOLUTE FINAL QUESTION. >> Trump: OKAY. 848 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:03,000 >> Stahl: YOU'RE NOT KNOWN TO BE 849 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:04,000 A HUMBLE MAN. 850 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:05,000 BUT I WONDER... 851 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:06,000 >> Trump: I THINK I AM, ACTUALLY 852 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:07,000 HUMBLE. 853 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:08,000 I THINK I'M MUCH MORE HUMBLE 854 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:10,000 THAN YOU WOULD UNDERSTAND. 855 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:13,000 >> Stahl: AS YOU THINK ABOUT THE 856 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:15,000 PROSPECT OF RUNNING THIS COUNTRY 857 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:16,000 IN THESE TOUGH TIMES WHERE THE 858 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:17,000 WORLD IS SPINNING APART-- ARE 859 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:19,000 YOU AWED? 860 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:21,000 ARE YOU INTIMIDATED? 861 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:22,000 ARE YOU HUMBLED BY THE ENORMITY 862 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:25,000 OF THIS? 863 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:26,000 >> Trump: YOU JUST SAID IT BEST. 864 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:27,000 >> Pence: MMM. 865 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:28,000 >> Trump: IN A WORLD THAT'S 866 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:30,000 SPINNING APART. 867 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:32,000 THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING OF. 868 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:33,000 I'M NOT THINKING OF, "OH GEE ISN'T THIS WONDERFUL? 869 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:34,000 ISN'T THIS GREAT WHAT I'VE 870 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:36,000 DONE?" 871 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:37,000 I'VE HAD PEOPLE THAT SAID, "IT 872 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:38,000 DOESN'T MATTER IF YOU WIN OR 873 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:39,000 LOSE, WHAT YOU'VE DONE HAS NEVER 874 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:40,000 BEEN DONE BEFORE. 875 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:41,000 YOU'RE GONNA GO DOWN IN THE HISTORY BOOKS." 876 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:42,000 YOU KNOW WHAT I SAY TO 'EM?" 877 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:44,000 I SAY, "YOU'RE WRONG." 878 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:45,000 I WILL CONSIDER IT, 'CAUSE I 879 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:46,000 FUNDED MY OWN PRIMARIES, I'M 880 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:49,000 FUNDING NOW A LOT OF THIS CAMPAIGN. 881 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:50,000 I'M PUTTING IN, YOU KNOW, I'VE 882 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:51,000 SPENT $55 MILLION IN THE 883 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:52,000 PRIMARIES. 884 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:54,000 I'M SPENDING A FORTUNATE NOW. 885 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:56,000 I'LL TELL YOU, IT IS SPINNING. 886 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:58,000 OUR WORLD IS SPINNING OUT OF CONTROL. 887 00:20:58,000 --> 00:20:59,000 OUR COUNTRY'S SPINNING OUT OF 888 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:01,000 CONTROL. THAT'S WHAT I THINK ABOUT. 889 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:04,000 AND I'LL STOP THAT. 890 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:06,000 >> Stahl: NOT... HUMBLED OR... AWE. 891 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:07,000 >> Pence: I CAN SAY TO YOU... 892 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:08,000 WHAT... >> Stahl: GO AHEAD. 893 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:10,000 >> Pence: TALKING WITH HIM IN PRIVATE SETTINGS, I LOVE THE 894 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:13,000 WORDS YOU USED BECAUSE THIS MAN 895 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:15,000 IS AWED WITH THE AMERICAN 896 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:16,000 PEOPLE, AND HE IS NOT 897 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:19,000 INTIMIDATED BY THE WORLD. 898 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:20,000 AND DONALD TRUMP, THIS GOOD MAN, 899 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:21,000 I BELIEVE, WILL BE A GREAT 900 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:24,000 PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. 901 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:25,000 >> Trump: I LOVE WHAT HE JUST 902 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:30,000 SAID. 903 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:43,000 >> CBS MONEY WATCH UPDATE SPONSORED BY: 904 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:45,000 >> GOOD EVENING. AFTER A FAILED COUP, THE TURKISH 905 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:47,000 GOVERNMENT IS TRYING TO CALM 906 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:48,000 INVESTORS, SAYING ITS ECONOMIC 907 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:49,000 FOUNDATIONS ARE SOLID. 908 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:51,000 YAHOO IS EXPECTED TO REPORT 909 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:53,000 LOWER EARNINGS TOMORROW AND WRAP 910 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:55,000 UP THE BIDDING PROCESS FOR ITS 911 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:56,000 SALE. 912 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:58,000 AND GOLDMAN SACHS, BANK OF 913 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:00,000 AMERICA AND MORGAN STANLEY 914 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:03,000 REPORT EARNINGS THIS WEEK. 915 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:06,000 I'M JAMIE YUCCAS, CBS NEWS.