1 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:06,000 >> Stahl: THE REPUBLICAN 2 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:08,000 NATIONAL CONVENTION THAT BEGINS 3 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:09,000 TOMORROW IN CLEVELAND WILL STAR 4 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:11,000 DONALD TRUMP AND HIS CHOSEN 5 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:14,000 RUNNING MATE THE GOVERNOR OF INDIANA, MIKE PENCE. 6 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:16,000 THE REPUBLICAN LEADERSHIP HAS 7 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:19,000 PRAISED PENCE AS A GOOD CHOICE TO UNITE THE PARTY. 8 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:21,000 HE'S KNOWN AS A RELIABLE 9 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:22,000 CONSERVATIVE WITH CLOSE TIES TO 10 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:24,000 THE RELIGIOUS RIGHT AND HE ALSO 11 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:25,000 HAS GOOD RELATIONS WITH 12 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:27,000 REPUBLICANS IN CONGRESS, HAVING 13 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:28,000 SERVED SIX TERMS IN THE HOUSE OF 14 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:31,000 REPRESENTATIVES. 15 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:33,000 BUT THERE ARE SIGNIFICANT AREAS 16 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:35,000 IN TERMS OF VALUES AND POLICY 17 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:36,000 WHERE HE HAS DIFFERED WITH MR. 18 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:39,000 TRUMP IN THE PAST. 19 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:40,000 WE HAD THE CHANCE TO ASK THE TWO 20 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:42,000 OF THEM ABOUT THAT IN THEIR 21 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:44,000 FIRST AND ONLY INTERVIEW 22 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:46,000 TOGETHER, YESTERDAY AFTERNOON IN 23 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:48,000 NEW YORK, IN TRUMP'S THREE-STORY 24 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:49,000 PENTHOUSE APARTMENT IN THE TRUMP 25 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:51,000 TOWER. 26 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:52,000 FIRST OF ALL, GOVERNOR PENCE, 27 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:53,000 CONGRATULATIONS. 28 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:54,000 >> Mike Pence: THANK YOU. 29 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:56,000 >> Stahl: THIS PROBABLY COMES AS 30 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:57,000 A HUGE, LIFE-CHANGING MOMENT FOR 31 00:00:57,000 --> 00:00:58,000 YOU. 32 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:00,000 >> Pence: IT HAS. 33 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:02,000 IT'S VERY, VERY HUMBLING AND I 34 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:04,000 COULDN'T BE MORE HONORED TO HAVE 35 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:06,000 THE OPPORTUNITY TO RUN WITH, AND 36 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:07,000 SERVE WITH, THE NEXT PRESIDENT 37 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:09,000 OF THE UNITED STATES. 38 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:10,000 >> Stahl: BEFORE WE ACTUALLY 39 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:12,000 TALK ABOUT THE POLITICS, YOU 40 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:14,000 KNOW, THERE'VE BEEN SO MANY-- 41 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:15,000 MAJOR WORLD EVENTS VERY 42 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:18,000 RECENTLY, IN THE LAST WEEK. 43 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:19,000 I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN REMEMBER 44 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:21,000 THE LAST TIME WE HAVE SEEN A 45 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:23,000 WORLD THIS MUCH IN CHAOS. 46 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:24,000 YOU EVEN SAID, "IT'S SPINNING 47 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:27,000 APART." 48 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:28,000 ARE YOU READY FOR THIS WORLD 49 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:30,000 THAT WE ARE FACING TODAY? 50 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:31,000 >> Donald Trump: WE'RE BOTH READY. 51 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:33,000 I'VE NO DOUBT. 52 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:34,000 WE NEED TOUGHNESS. 53 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:36,000 WE NEED STRENGTH. 54 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:40,000 OBAMA'S WEAK, HILLARY'S WEAK. 55 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:42,000 AND PART OF IT IS THAT; A BIG PART OF IT. 56 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:43,000 WE NEED LAW AND ORDER. 57 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:45,000 WE NEED STRONG BORDERS. 58 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:46,000 >> Stahl: BUT ALL REACTIONS TO 59 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:47,000 WHAT'S BEEN GOING ON AREN'T 60 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:49,000 MUSCULAR. 61 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:52,000 FOR EXAMPLE, LOOK WHAT HAPPENED IN TURKEY. 62 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:54,000 THERE WAS A MILITARY COUP IN A 63 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:55,000 DEMOCRATIC COUNTRY, A N.A.T.O. 64 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:57,000 ALLY. 65 00:01:57,000 --> 00:01:59,000 HOW WOULD YOU RESPOND TO THAT? 66 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:01,000 >> Trump: WELL, AS A PRESIDENT, 67 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:02,000 I'M GOING TO BE... YOU KNOW, 68 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:03,000 THEY'VE BEEN AN ALLY AND I STAY 69 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:05,000 WITH OUR ALLIES. 70 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:07,000 THEY HAVE BEEN AN ALLY. 71 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:10,000 BUT THAT WAS A QUICK COUP. 72 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:12,000 I WAS ACTUALLY SURPRISED TO SEE HOW WELL IT WAS HANDLED. 73 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:13,000 AND YOU KNOW WHO REALLY HANDLED 74 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:14,000 IT? THE PEOPLE. 75 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:15,000 SO, I MEAN, WE CAN SAY WHAT WE 76 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:16,000 WANT, BUT THE PEOPLE HANDLED IT. 77 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:19,000 WHEN THEY SURROUNDED THE ARMY 78 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:20,000 TANKS... AND WITHOUT THE PEOPLE, 79 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:21,000 YOU WOULD'VE NEVER HAD IT. 80 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:22,000 THE MILITARY WOULD'VE TAKEN OVER. 81 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:24,000 >> Pence: BUT I TRULY DO BELIEVE 82 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:26,000 THAT THE LARGER ISSUE HERE IS 83 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:29,000 DECLINING AMERICAN POWER IN THE WORLD. 84 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:30,000 I TRULY DO BELIEVE THAT HISTORY 85 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:33,000 TEACHES THAT WEAKNESS AROUSES 86 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:35,000 EVIL AND WHETHER IT BE THE 87 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:36,000 HORRIFIC ATTACK IN FRANCE, THE 88 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:39,000 INSPIRED ATTACKS HERE IN THE 89 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:40,000 UNITED STATES, THE INSTABILITY 90 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:42,000 IN TURKEY THAT LED TO A COUP. 91 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:44,000 I THINK THAT IS ALL A RESULT OF 92 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:46,000 A FOREIGN POLICY OF HILLARY 93 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:48,000 CLINTON AND BARACK OBAMA THAT 94 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:50,000 HAS LED FROM BEHIND AND THAT HAS 95 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:53,000 SENT AN-AN INEXACT, UNCLEAR 96 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:54,000 MESSAGE ABOUT AMERICAN RESOLVE. 97 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:56,000 ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I SAID 98 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:59,000 YES IN A HEARTBEAT TO RUN WITH 99 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:01,000 THIS MAN IS BECAUSE HE EMBODIES 100 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:03,000 AMERICAN STRENGTH, AND I KNOW 101 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:04,000 THAT HE WILL PROVIDE THAT KIND 102 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:05,000 OF BROAD-SHOULDERED AMERICAN 103 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:06,000 STRENGTH ON THE GLOBAL STAGE AS 104 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:07,000 WELL. 105 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:09,000 >> Stahl: LET'S-LET'S TALK ABOUT 106 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:10,000 WHAT HAPPENED IN NICE HORRENDOUS 107 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:13,000 CARNAGE HORRIBLE, OF INNOCENCE. 108 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:16,000 >> Trump: HORRIBLE. >> Stahl: HORRIBLE. 109 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:18,000 YOU SAID YOU WOULD DECLARE WAR AGAINST I.S.I.S. 110 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:19,000 WHAT EXACTLY DO YOU HAVE... 111 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:20,000 >> Trump: IT IS WAR. 112 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:21,000 BY THE WAY, IT IS WAR. 113 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:22,000 >> Stahl: NO, BUT DOES THAT... 114 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:23,000 WHEN YOU SAY, "DECLARE WAR," DO 115 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:24,000 YOU WANT TO SEND AMERICAN TROOPS 116 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:26,000 IN THERE? IS THAT WHAT YOU MEAN? 117 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:28,000 >> Trump: LOOK, WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT HATE US. 118 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:31,000 WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT WANNA WIPE US OUT. 119 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:33,000 WE'RE GONNA DECLARE WAR AGAINST I.S.I.S. 120 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:35,000 WE HAVE TO WIPE OUT I.S.I.S. THESE ARE PEOPLE THAT... 121 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:36,000 >> Stahl: WITH TROOPS ON THE GROUND? 122 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:38,000 >> Trump: I AM GOING TO HAVE 123 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:39,000 VERY FEW TROOPS ON THE GROUND. 124 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:41,000 WE'RE GONNA HAVE UNBELIEVABLE 125 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:42,000 INTELLIGENCE, WHICH WE NEED, 126 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:44,000 WHICH, RIGHT NOW, WE DON'T HAVE. 127 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:46,000 WE DON'T HAVE THE PEOPLE OVER THERE. 128 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:47,000 WE ARE GOING TO USE... >> Stahl: YOU WANT TO SEND 129 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:48,000 AMERICANS... 130 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:49,000 >> Trump: EXCUSE ME-- AND WE'RE 131 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:50,000 GOING TO HAVE SURROUNDING STATES 132 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:53,000 AND, VERY IMPORTANTLY, GET 133 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:54,000 N.A.T.O. INVOLVED BECAUSE WE 134 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:55,000 SUPPORT N.A.T.O. FAR MORE THAN 135 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:56,000 WE SHOULD, FRANKLY, BECAUSE YOU 136 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:57,000 HAVE A LOT OF COUNTRIES THAT 137 00:03:57,000 --> 00:03:59,000 AREN'T DOING WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING. 138 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:00,000 AND WE HAVE TO WIPE OUT I.S.I.S. 139 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:01,000 AND SPEAKING OF TURKEY, TURKEY 140 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:04,000 IS AN ALLY. 141 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:07,000 TURKEY CAN DO IT BY THEMSELVES. 142 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:09,000 BUT THEY HAVE TO BE INCENTIVIZED. 143 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:10,000 FOR WHATEVER REASON, THEY'RE 144 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:13,000 NOT. SO WE HAVE NO CHOICE. 145 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:14,000 >> Stahl: BUT I STILL DON'T KNOW 146 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:15,000 IF YOU'RE GOING TO SEND TROOPS 147 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:16,000 OVER... >> Trump: VERY LITTLE. 148 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:17,000 I'M GONNA... 149 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:18,000 >> Stahl: BUT DECLARE WAR... 150 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:19,000 >> Trump: ...GET NEIGHBORING 151 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:20,000 STATES AND I'M GOING TO GET... 152 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:21,000 WE ARE GOING TO GET N.A.T.O.; WE'RE GOING TO WIPE 'EM OUT. 153 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:22,000 WE'RE GONNA... 154 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:23,000 >> Stahl: BUT DECLARE WAR? 155 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:24,000 >> Pence: LESLEY... 156 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:25,000 >> Stahl: WHAT DOES THAT MEAN...? 157 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:26,000 >> Pence: THIS IS... THIS IS THE 158 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:27,000 KIND... THIS IS THE KIND OF LEADERSHIP THAT AMERICA NEEDS 159 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:30,000 AND IT... 160 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:31,000 >> Stahl: BUT WHAT... >> Pence: ...AND IT BEGINS WITH 161 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:32,000 DECIDING TO DESTROY THE ENEMIES 162 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:34,000 OF OUR FREEDOM. >> Stahl: HOW? 163 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:36,000 >> Pence: AND HOW WE DO THAT? I HAVE EVERY CONFIDENCE. 164 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:37,000 YOU-YOU REMEMBER I SERVED ON THE 165 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:38,000 FOREIGN AFFAIRS COMMITTEE. 166 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:40,000 AND I'M VERY CONFIDENT THAT WHEN 167 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:42,000 DONALD TRUMP BECOMES PRESIDENT 168 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:43,000 OF THE UNITED STATES, HE'LL GIVE 169 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:45,000 A DIRECTIVE TO OUR MILITARY 170 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:47,000 COMMANDERS, BRING TOGETHER OTHER 171 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:48,000 NATIONS, AND WE WILL USE THE 172 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:50,000 ENORMOUS RESOURCES OF THE UNITED 173 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:53,000 STATES TO DESTROY THAT ENEMY. 174 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:54,000 >> Trump: NOW LOOK, WE ARE GOING 175 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:55,000 TO GET RID OF I.S.I.S., BIG 176 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:56,000 LEAGUE. 177 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:57,000 AND WE'RE GONNA GET RID OF 'EM 178 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:58,000 FAST. 179 00:04:58,000 --> 00:04:59,000 AND WE'RE GONNA USE SURROUNDING 180 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:01,000 STATES. WE'RE GONNA USE N.A.T.O., 181 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:02,000 PROBABLY. 182 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:03,000 AND WE'RE GONNA DECLARE WAR. 183 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:04,000 IT IS WAR. 184 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:05,000 WHEN THE WORLD TRADE CENTER 185 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:06,000 COMES TUMBLING DOWN, WITH 186 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:07,000 THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE BEING 187 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:08,000 KILLED, PEOPLE ARE STILL... I 188 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:09,000 HAVE FRIENDS THAT ARE STILL... 189 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:10,000 ( overtalk ) 190 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:11,000 >> Stahl: BUT WE DID GO TO WAR, 191 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:12,000 IF YOU REMEMBER. 192 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:13,000 WE WENT TO IRAQ. 193 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:14,000 >> Trump: YEAH, YOU WENT TO IRAQ, BUT THAT WAS HANDLED SO 194 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:15,000 BADLY. 195 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:17,000 AND THAT WAS A WAR-- BY THE WAY, 196 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:18,000 THAT WAS A WAR THAT WE SHOULDN'T 197 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:19,000 HAVE ENTERED BECAUSE IRAQ DID 198 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:20,000 NOT KNOCK DOWN... EXCUSE ME... 199 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:21,000 ( overtalk ) 200 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:22,000 >> Stahl: YOUR RUNNING MATE... 201 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:23,000 >> Trump: IRAQ DID NOT... ( overtalk ) 202 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:24,000 >> Stahl: ...VOTED FOR IT 203 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:25,000 >> Trump: I DON'T CARE. 204 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:26,000 >> Stahl: WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU 205 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:27,000 DON'T CARE THAT HE VOTED FOR? 206 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:28,000 >> Trump: IT'S A LONG TIME AGO. 207 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:29,000 AND HE VOTED THAT WAY AND THEY 208 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:30,000 WERE ALSO MISLED. 209 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:31,000 A LOT OF INFORMATION WAS GIVEN 210 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:32,000 TO PEOPLE. 211 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:33,000 ( overtalk ) >> Stahl: BUT YOU'VE HARPED ON 212 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:34,000 THIS. >> Trump: BUT I WAS AGAINST THE 213 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:36,000 WAR IN IRAQ FROM THE BEGINNING. 214 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:37,000 >> Stahl: YEAH, BUT YOU'VE USED THAT VOTE OF HILLARY'S THAT WAS 215 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:39,000 THE SAME AS GOVERNOR PENCE... 216 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:40,000 ( overtalk ) 217 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:41,000 >> Stahl: ...AS THE EXAMPLE OF 218 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:43,000 HER BAD JUDGMENT. 219 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:44,000 >> Trump: MANY PEOPLE HAVE, AND 220 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:45,000 FRANKLY, I'M ONE OF THE FEW THAT 221 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:46,000 WAS RIGHT ON IRAQ. 222 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:47,000 >> Stahl: YEAH, BUT WHAT ABOUT 223 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:48,000 HE... ( overtalk ) 224 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:49,000 >> Trump: HE'S ENTITLED TO MAKE A MISTAKE EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE. 225 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:50,000 >> Stahl: BUT SHE'S NOT? 226 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:51,000 OKAY, COME ON... 227 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:53,000 >> Trump: BUT SHE'S NOT. >> Stahl: SHE'S NOT? 228 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:54,000 >> Trump: NO. SHE'S NOT. 229 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:55,000 >> Stahl: GOT IT. 230 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:56,000 I HAVE TO MOVE ON OR WE'RE NEVER 231 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:59,000 GONNA FIND OUT WHY HE CHOSE YOU. ( laughter ) 232 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:00,000 WHY DID YOU PICK HIM? 233 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:01,000 YOU HAD OTHER CANDIDATES... 234 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:02,000 >> Trump: OKAY, I DID. I HAD A LOT of PEOPLE THAT 235 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:03,000 WANTED IT; A LOT MORE PEOPLE 236 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:04,000 THAN ANYBODY... 237 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:05,000 >> Stahl: THAT CAME TO YOU AND BEGGED YOU FOR IT? 238 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:06,000 >> Trump: THAT CALLED ME AND 239 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:08,000 CAME TO ME AND WANTED IT BADLY. 240 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:09,000 AND, YOU KNOW, THE PRESS DIDN'T 241 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:10,000 REPORT THAT. 242 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:13,000 THE PRESS SAID, "WELL, MAYBE HE'S HAVING HARD TIME PICKING." 243 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:14,000 >> Stahl: WELL, WHAT ABOUT THE 244 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:15,000 GOVERNOR? 245 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:16,000 DID HE WANT IT LIKE THAT? 246 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:17,000 >> Trump: I ACTUALLY BROUGHT IT UP TO HIM. 247 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:18,000 >> Stahl: OKAY. >> Trump: I GOT TO KNOW HIM 248 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:19,000 DURING THE... WHEN I WAS IN 249 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:21,000 INDIANA DURING THE PRIMARIES, 250 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:23,000 AND I DID VERY WELL IN INDIANA, 251 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:24,000 LIKE I DID JUST ABOUT EVERYWHERE 252 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:26,000 ELSE IN ALL FAIRNESS. 253 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:28,000 BUT... I GOT TO KNOW HIM VERY 254 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:29,000 WELL AND I GAINED GREAT RESPECT 255 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:30,000 FOR HIM. 256 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:33,000 AND I LOOKED AT THE NUMBERS, 257 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:34,000 MEANING THE FINANCIALS, WHICH WE 258 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:35,000 WOULD SAY IN BUSINESS. 259 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:36,000 BUT I LOOKED AT THE NUMBERS. 260 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:37,000 UNEMPLOYMENT? 261 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:38,000 WHAT A GREAT JOB HE DID. JOBS? 262 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:40,000 WHAT A GREAT JOB HE DID. 263 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:42,000 TRIPLE-A RATING ON HIS BONDS. 264 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:43,000 >> Stahl: BUT YOU WENT TO HIM 265 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:44,000 AND SAID... 266 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:45,000 >> Trump: I DID-- 267 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:46,000 >> Stahl: WOULD YOU WANT TO BE 268 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:47,000 CONSIDERED... >> Trump: I BROACHED IT. 269 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:49,000 >> Stahl: HE DIDN'T... 270 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:50,000 >> Stahl: AND THEN HE SAID, "I-I REALLY WANT IT." 271 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:51,000 SO WHY DID YOU PICK HIM? 272 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:52,000 >> Trump: I WOULD SAY THAT HE 273 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:53,000 THOUGHT ABOUT IT A LITTLE BIT. 274 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:54,000 AND ABOUT TWO SECONDS LATER, HE 275 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:55,000 CALLED ME, WITH HIS INCREDIBLE WIFE, AND SAID... 276 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:56,000 >> Stahl: THAT I'D LIKE TO BE... 277 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:57,000 BUT WHAT... 278 00:06:57,000 --> 00:06:58,000 >> Trump: LIKE MANY OTHERS. 279 00:06:58,000 --> 00:06:59,000 >> Stahl: HOW DOES HE HELP YOU? 280 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:01,000 HOW DOES HE HELP YOU WIN IN 281 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:03,000 TERMS OF GROUPS OF PEOPLE? 282 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:05,000 AND WHAT IS YOUR WEAKNESS THAT 283 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:07,000 HE COMPENSATES FOR AND SO FORTH? 284 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:08,000 >> Trump: WELL, I WENT FOR THE 285 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:09,000 QUALITY INDIVIDUAL RATHER THAN 286 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:10,000 I'M GONNA WIN A STATE, BECAUSE 287 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:12,000 I'M DOING VERY WELL IN INDIANA, 288 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:14,000 AND I GUESS I'M A LOT UP. 289 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:15,000 AND I THINK I'M GONNA WIN INDIANA. 290 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:17,000 I HAVE A GREAT RELATIONSHIP AND 291 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:18,000 BOBBY KNIGHT HELPED ME SO MUCH WITH INDIANA. 292 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:19,000 INDIANA'S A GREAT PLACE; GREAT 293 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:20,000 STATE. 294 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:21,000 ( overtalk ) 295 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:22,000 >> Stahl: WHY DIDN'T YOU PICK HIM? 296 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:23,000 NO, I'M JOKING-- MOVING ON. 297 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:24,000 >> Trump: HE WOULD'VE BEEN VERY GOOD. 298 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:27,000 BUT HE'S A TERRIFIC GUY. 299 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:28,000 BUT-BUT I REALLY LIKE HIM AS AN 300 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:29,000 INDIVIDUAL. 301 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:31,000 >> Stahl: SO YOU MUST'VE 302 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:34,000 CONSIDERED, OBVIOUSLY, BY THE 303 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:36,000 REACTION TO YOUR CHOICE, A LOT 304 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:37,000 OF THE CONSERVATIVES ARE VERY 305 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:38,000 HAPPY. 306 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:39,000 >> Trump: VERY HAPPY. 307 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:40,000 >> Stahl: WAS THAT PART OF THE... 308 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:42,000 >> Trump: YES, IT WAS PARTY UNITY. 309 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:44,000 I'M AN OUTSIDER. 310 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:46,000 I AM A PERSON THAT USED TO BE 311 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:47,000 ESTABLISHMENT WHEN I'D GIVE THEM HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF 312 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:49,000 DOLLARS. 313 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:50,000 BUT WHEN I DECIDED TO RUN, I 314 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:51,000 BECAME VERY ANTI-ESTABLISHMENT 315 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:52,000 BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND THE 316 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:53,000 SYSTEM... 317 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:54,000 >> Stahl: IS HE ESTABLISHMENT? 318 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:55,000 >> Trump: ...THAN ANYBODY ELSE. 319 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:56,000 HE'S VERY ESTABLISHMENT, IN MANY 320 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:57,000 WAYS, AND THAT'S NOT A BAD THING. 321 00:07:57,000 --> 00:07:58,000 BUT I WILL TELL YOU... 322 00:07:58,000 --> 00:07:59,000 >> Stahl: THAT'S KIND OF INTERESTING... 323 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:00,000 >> Trump: I HAVE SEEN MORE 324 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:02,000 PEOPLE THAT, FRANKLY, DID NOT 325 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:03,000 LIKE ME SO MUCH, AND NOW THEY'RE 326 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:05,000 SAYING, "WHAT A GREAT PICK." 327 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:07,000 YOU SEE THE KIND OF REACTION. 328 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:09,000 HE-HE HAS HELPED BRING THE PARTY 329 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:10,000 TOGETHER. 330 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:11,000 I UNDERSTAND. 331 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:12,000 LOOK, I GOT MORE VOTES THAN 332 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:13,000 ANYBODY, BUT I ALSO UNDERSTAND THERE'S A FACTION... 333 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:14,000 >> Stahl: IS IT ALREADY UNIFIED, 334 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:15,000 DO YOU THINK? 335 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:16,000 >> Trump: I THINK IT'S VERY CLOSE TO UNIFIED. 336 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:17,000 AND I WILL SAY... 337 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:18,000 >> Stahl: JUST BECAUSE OF THIS PICK? 338 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:19,000 >> Trump: NO. I THINK IT'S BE... I THINK IT 339 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:20,000 WAS MUCH MORE UNIFIED THAN 340 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:22,000 PEOPLE THOUGHT. 341 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:23,000 YOU SAW THAT WITH THE RECENT 342 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:24,000 VOTE WHERE WE WON IN A 343 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:26,000 LANDSLIDE. 344 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:27,000 YOU SAW THAT WITH THE BIG VOTE, 345 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:28,000 THE PRIMARY VOTE. 346 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:30,000 I THINK IT'S FAR MORE UNIFIED 347 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:34,000 THAN THE PRESS LETS ON. 348 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:36,000 BUT HAVING GOVERNOR MIKE PENCE 349 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:38,000 HAS REALLY... PEOPLE THAT I 350 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:40,000 WASN'T NECESSARILY LIKING OR 351 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:42,000 GETTING ALONG ARE LOVING THIS 352 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:43,000 PICK, BECAUSE THEY HAVE SUCH RESPECT FOR HIM. 353 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:44,000 >> Stahl: AND THAT WAS... 354 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:45,000 >> Trump: AND THE PARTY UNITY IS 355 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:46,000 OKAY. YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S OKAY TO 356 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:47,000 SAY I PICKED SOMEBODY, BECAUSE 357 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:49,000 I... AS ONE OF THE THINGS. 358 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:50,000 BUT I REALLY BELIEVE THE MAIN 359 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:52,000 REASON I PICKED HIM IS THE 360 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:54,000 INCREDIBLE JOB HE'S DONE. 361 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:55,000 JUST LOOK AT THE ECONOMICS OF INDIANA... 362 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:56,000 >> Stahl: INDIANA... 363 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:57,000 >> Trump: ...AND WHAT'S GOING 364 00:08:57,000 --> 00:08:58,000 ON. 365 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:00,000 >> Stahl: BUT WHAT ABOUT THE CHEMISTRY BETWEEN YOU TWO? 366 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:03,000 YOU DON'T REALLY KNOW EACH OTHER THAT WELL. 367 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:05,000 YOU'RE... AT LEAST I'VE READ, A 368 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:08,000 VERY LOW-KEY, VERY RELIGIOUS. 369 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:10,000 YOU'RE A BRASH NEW YORKER... 370 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:11,000 >> Trump: RELIGIOUS. 371 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:12,000 >> Stahl: RELIGIOUS? 372 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:13,000 >> Trump: RELIGIOUS... >> Stahl: ARE YOU? 373 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:14,000 >> Trump: YEAH, RELIGIOUS. 374 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:15,000 >> Stahl: ...YOU WOULDN'T... 375 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:16,000 >> Trump: HEY, I WON THE 376 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:17,000 EVANGELICALS. THE EVANGELICALS... 377 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:18,000 >> Stahl: THAT DOESN'T... 378 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:19,000 >> Pence: YOU KNOW, NOBODY THOUGHT... 379 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:21,000 >> Trump: ...WELL, I THINK IT MEANS A LOT. 380 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:22,000 I DON'T THINK THEY THINK I'M 381 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:23,000 PERFECT, AND THEY WOULD GET UP 382 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:24,000 AND THEY WOULD SAY, "YOU KNOW, 383 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:25,000 HE'S NOT PERFECT," BUT... 384 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:26,000 >> Stahl: THEY'D POINT TO THE... 385 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:27,000 >> Trump: ...THEY LIKE ME... 386 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:29,000 >> Stahl: ...DIVORCES... 387 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:30,000 >> Trump: BUT I WON. I WON STATES WITH EVANGELICALS 388 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:32,000 THAT NOBODY THOUGHT I'D EVEN COME CLOSE TO. 389 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:34,000 >> Stahl: WELL, THAT'S TRUE... >> Trump: AND I WON... 390 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:35,000 >> Stahl: SO YOU DIDN'T... 391 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:36,000 >> Trump: ...WITH LANDSLIDES... >> Stahl: ...NEED HIM FOR THE 392 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:37,000 EVANGELICALS? >> Trump: I THINK IT HELPS. 393 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:38,000 BUT I DON'T THINK I NEEDED HIM, NO, BECAUSE I WON WITH 394 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:39,000 EVANGELICALS. 395 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:40,000 >> Pence: BUT I THINK WE HAVE 396 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:41,000 MORE IN COMMON... 397 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:42,000 >> Stahl: YEAH, TELL ME... 398 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:43,000 >> Pence: THAN... 399 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:44,000 >> Stahl: ...WHAT YOU THINK YOU 400 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:45,000 HAVE IN COMMON. 401 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:46,000 >> Trump: WHAT MIGHT BE 402 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:47,000 IMMEDIATELY OBVIOUS. >> Stahl: BESIDES ISSUES. 403 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:48,000 VALUES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. >> Trump: I THINK WE WILL HAVE 404 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:49,000 VERY, VERY GOOD CHEMISTRY. 405 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:50,000 I FEEL THAT. AND I CAN FEEL THAT PRETTY EARLY 406 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:51,000 ON. 407 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:52,000 I DON'T THINK YOU NEED TO BE 408 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:53,000 WITH SOMEBODY FOR TWO YEARS TO FIND THAT OUT. 409 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:54,000 MY FEELING IS... 410 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:55,000 >> Stahl: YOUR GUT FEELING. 411 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:57,000 >> Trump: I KNEW HIM DURING THE 412 00:09:57,000 --> 00:09:59,000 PRIMARIES, DURING MANY TRIPS TO 413 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:00,000 INDIANA, I'D BE WITH HIM. 414 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:01,000 I THINK WE HAVE A GREAT 415 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:02,000 CHEMISTRY. 416 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:04,000 >> Stahl: I WANT TO ASK YOU 417 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:05,000 THOUGH ABOUT SOMETHING YOU'VE 418 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:06,000 SAID ABOUT NEGATIVE CAMPAIGNING. 419 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:07,000 >> Trump: YEAH. 420 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:08,000 >> Stahl: YOU SAID NEGATIVE 421 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:10,000 CAMPAIGNING IS WRONG, AND A 422 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:12,000 CAMPAIGN OUGHT TO DEMONSTRATE 423 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:15,000 THE BASIC DECENCY OF THE CANDIDATE. 424 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:17,000 >> Pence: RIGHT. 425 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:19,000 >> Stahl: WITH THAT IN MIND, WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT YOUR 426 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:20,000 RUNNING MATE'S CAMPAIGN AND THE 427 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:22,000 TONE AND THE NEGATIVITY OF IT? 428 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:23,000 >> Pence: I THINK THIS IS A GOOD 429 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:24,000 MAN WHO'S BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE 430 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:25,000 ISSUES THE AMERICAN PEOPLE CARE 431 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:26,000 ABOUT. 432 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:27,000 >> Stahl: BUT NAME CALLING? 433 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:28,000 >> Pence: IN THAT... 434 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:29,000 >> Stahl: "LYIN' TED?" 435 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:30,000 >> Pence: IN THE ESSAY THAT I 436 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:31,000 WROTE A LONG TIME AGO, I SAID 437 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:32,000 CAMPAIGNS OUGHT TO BE ABOUT 438 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:34,000 SOMETHING MORE IMPORTANT THAN 439 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:36,000 JUST ONE CANDIDATE'S ELECTION. 440 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:39,000 AND-AND THIS CAMPAIGN AND DONALD 441 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:40,000 TRUMP'S CANDIDACY HAS BEEN ABOUT 442 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:41,000 THE ISSUES THE AMERICAN PEOPLE 443 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:42,000 CARE ABOUT. 444 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:43,000 >> Stahl: BUT WHAT ABOUT... 445 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:44,000 >> Trump: LESLEY, LESLEY... 446 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:45,000 >> Stahl: ...THE NEGATIVE SIDE? 447 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:47,000 HE APOLOGIZED FOR BEING A NEGATIVE... 448 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:48,000 >> Trump: WE'RE DIFFERENT PEOPLE. 449 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:49,000 I UNDERSTAND THAT. 450 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:50,000 I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE. 451 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:52,000 HILLARY CLINTON IS A LIAR. 452 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:53,000 HILLARY CLINTON-- THAT WAS JUST 453 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:54,000 PROVEN-- 454 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:55,000 >> Stahl: THAT'S... 455 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:56,000 >> Trump: ...LAST WEEK. 456 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:57,000 >> Stahl: THAT'S NEGATIVE. >> Trump: HILLARY CLINTON... 457 00:10:57,000 --> 00:10:58,000 >> Stahl: BY THE WAY... 458 00:10:58,000 --> 00:10:59,000 >> Trump: YOU BETTER BELIEVE IT. 459 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:00,000 HILLARY CLINTON IS A CROOK. >> Stahl: THAT'S NEGATIVE... 460 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:01,000 >> Trump: I CALL HER "CROOKED 461 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:03,000 HILLARY." SHE'S CROOKED HILLARY. 462 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:04,000 HE WON'T... I-I DON'T... I 463 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:05,000 DIDN'T ASK HIM TO DO IT, BUT I 464 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:06,000 DON'T THINK HE SHOULD DO IT 465 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:08,000 BECAUSE IT'S DIFFERENT FOR HIM. 466 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:09,000 >> Stahl: BUT HE... >> Trump: HE'S NOT THAT KIND OF 467 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:10,000 A... >> Stahl: HE PROBABLY... 468 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:11,000 >> Trump: ...PERSON. WE'RE DIFFERENT PEOPLE. 469 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:12,000 >> Stahl: DON'T YOU THINK HE... 470 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:13,000 >> Trump: TO ME SHE'S CROOKED HILLARY. >> Stahl: ...THINKS THAT'S 471 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:14,000 WRONG? >> Trump: I DON'T THINK HE 472 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:15,000 SHOULD USE THAT TERM. I'VE NEVER SAID ONE WAY OR THE 473 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:16,000 OTHER. 474 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:18,000 BUT TO HIM, I DON'T THINK IT 475 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:19,000 WOULD SOUND RIGHT, BUT HE WILL 476 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:20,000 SAY HOW DISHONEST SHE IS BY 477 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:22,000 GOING OVER THE FACTS. 478 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:23,000 >> Stahl: BUT WOULD YOU GO TO 479 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:25,000 HIM... LET'S SAY YOU WON, YOU'RE 480 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:26,000 THE VICE PRESIDENT, YOUR OFFICE 481 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:28,000 IS, I ASSUME, DOWN THE HALL, AND 482 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:29,000 YOU GO IN AND YOU SAY, "YOU 483 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:30,000 KNOW, YOU SHOULDN'T BE SAYING... 484 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:31,000 NAME CALLING." 485 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:33,000 WOULD YOU DO THAT? 486 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:34,000 WOULD YOU GO IN AND SAY, "YOU 487 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:35,000 CROSSED THE LINE, I THINK YOU 488 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:36,000 SHOULD APOLOGIZE"? 489 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:38,000 WOULD YOU DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT? 490 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:39,000 >> Pence: LOOK, I... >> Stahl: HE'S LAUGHING. 491 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:40,000 >> Pence: IT'S PROBABLY... 492 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:41,000 IT'S... IT'S PROBABLY... 493 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:43,000 >> Stahl: IT'S OKAY. 494 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:44,000 >> Pence: ...OBVIOUS TO PEOPLE 495 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:46,000 THAT OUR STYLES ARE DIFFERENT. 496 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:47,000 BUT I PROMISE YOU, OUR VISION IS 497 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:48,000 EXACTLY THE SAME. 498 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:49,000 >> Stahl: NO, BUT WOULD YOU... 499 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:50,000 >> Pence: AND LET ME BE CLEAR... 500 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:51,000 >> Stahl: WILL YOU ANSWER THAT? 501 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:52,000 WOULD YOU GO IN? 502 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:53,000 >> Pence: WELL THE... ONE OF THE 503 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:54,000 THINGS I FOUND OUT ABOUT THIS 504 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:55,000 MAN IS HE APPRECIATES CANDOR. AND... 505 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:56,000 >> Stahl: SO YOU WOULD GO IN-- 506 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:57,000 >> Pence: I-I... 507 00:11:57,000 --> 00:11:58,000 >> Trump: I'D LIKE HIM TO IF HE THINKS I WAS DOING SOMETHING 508 00:11:58,000 --> 00:11:59,000 WRONG. 509 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:00,000 >> Stahl: WOULD YOU LISTEN TO HIM? 510 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:01,000 >> Pence: YEAH. >> Stahl: IF HE SAID YOU... 511 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:02,000 >> Trump: ABSOLUTELY. >> Stahl: ...CROSSED THE LINE? 512 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:03,000 >> Trump: ABSOLUTELY. I MIGHT NOT APOLOGIZE. 513 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:04,000 YOU KNOW, YOU SAID APOLOGIZE, BUT... 514 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:05,000 >> Stahl: I DID SAY APOLOGIZE. 515 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:06,000 >> Trump: BUT I MIGHT NOT DO THAT, BUT... 516 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:08,000 ( laughter ) 517 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:09,000 I WOULD ABSOLUTELY WANT HIM TO 518 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:10,000 COME IN IF HE THINKS I'M DOING 519 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:12,000 SOMETHING WRONG. 520 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:15,000 MIKE, I WOULD WANT HIM TO COME 521 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:16,000 IN AND SAY, REALLY, YOU'RE 522 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:17,000 DOING, YOU GOTTA... AND THAT'S 523 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:18,000 OKAY. 524 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:19,000 I ACCEPT THAT FROM MY 525 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:22,000 CONSULTANTS AND MY PEOPLE AND IF 526 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:24,000 MIKE CAME IN AND TOLD ME, YOU 527 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:25,000 KNOW, "I THINK YOU SHOULD DO 528 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:26,000 THIS OR THAT..." 529 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:27,000 >> Stahl: BACK OFF THAT. 530 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:28,000 >> Trump: I WOULD LISTEN AND 531 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:29,000 VERY LIKELY LISTEN TO HIM. 532 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:30,000 >> Stahl: DO YOU THINK JOHN 533 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:31,000 McCAIN IS NOT A HERO BECAUSE HE 534 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:33,000 WAS CAPTURED? 535 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:35,000 >> Pence: I HAVE A GREAT DEAL OF RESPECT FOR JOHN McCAIN, AND... 536 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:36,000 >> Stahl: DO YOU THINK HE WENT 537 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:38,000 TOO FAR? 538 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:39,000 >> Trump: YOU COULD SAY YES. 539 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:41,000 I... THAT'S OKAY. 540 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:42,000 THAT ONE, YOU COULD SAY YES, I 541 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:43,000 MEAN, YOU'RE NOT... IT'S FINE. 542 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:44,000 HEY, LOOK, I LIKE JOHN McCAIN. 543 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:45,000 BUT WE HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF OUR VETS. 544 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:46,000 >> Stahl: NO, BUT I WANT TO KNOW 545 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:47,000 IF... >> Trump: OKAY, BUT I'M JUST... 546 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:48,000 >> Stahl: MR. PENCE WOULD GO IN 547 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:49,000 AND SAY TO YOU... >> Trump: I'M JUST SAYING, 548 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:50,000 THAT'S WHY NOT THAT MANY PEOPLE ARE THAT UPSET. 549 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:51,000 >> Stahl: WHAT ARE YOU... WHAT DID YOU SAY? 550 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:52,000 YOU KNOW, WOULD YOU DO SOMETHING 551 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:53,000 LIKE THAT? 552 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:55,000 >> Pence: I-I PROMISE YOU THAT 553 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:57,000 WHEN THE CIRCUMSTANCES ARISE 554 00:12:57,000 --> 00:13:01,000 WHERE I HAVE A DIFFERENCE ON 555 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:04,000 POLICY OR ON PRESENTATION, I-I-I 556 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:05,000 HAVE... I CAN TELL YOU IN MY 557 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:07,000 HEART, I KNOW I WOULD HAVE NO 558 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:08,000 HESITATION, WERE I PRIVILEGED TO 559 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:10,000 BE VICE PRESIDENT, TO WALK INTO 560 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:12,000 THE PRESIDENT'S OFFICE, CLOSE THE DOOR, AND SHARE MY HEART. 561 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:14,000 AND I ALSO KNOW THIS GOOD MAN 562 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:15,000 WOULD LISTEN, AND HAS... AND HAS 563 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:17,000 THE LEADERSHIP QUALITIES TO DRAW 564 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:19,000 FROM THE PEOPLE AROUND HIM. 565 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:20,000 >> Stahl: LET'S TALK ABOUT SOME 566 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:22,000 OF THE ISSUES. 567 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:23,000 BECAUSE THERE SEEMS TO BE SOME 568 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:24,000 DAYLIGHT BETWEEN YOU TWO, AND WE 569 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:25,000 CAN JUST TICK... GO QUICKLY 570 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:26,000 THROUGH THESE. 571 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:28,000 IMMIGRATION. 572 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:29,000 MR. TRUMP, YOU HAVE CALLED FOR A 573 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:30,000 TEMPORARY BAN ON MUSLIMS 574 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:32,000 ENTERING THE UNITED STATES. 575 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:33,000 DO YOU AGREE WITH THAT? 576 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:35,000 >> Pence: I DO. 577 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:36,000 IN FACT, IN INDIANA WE SUSPENDED 578 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:37,000 THE SYRIAN REFUGEE PROGRAM IN 579 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:38,000 THE... IN THE WAKE OF THE 580 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:40,000 TERRORIST ATTACK. 581 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:41,000 WE HAVE NO HIGHER PRIORITY THAN 582 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:42,000 THE SAFETY AND SECURITY OF THE 583 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:43,000 PEOPLE OF THIS COUNTRY, AND-AND 584 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:47,000 DONALD TRUMP... 585 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:48,000 >> Stahl: NOW IN DECEMBER... 586 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:49,000 >> Pence: IS RIGHT TO ARTICULATE THAT VIEW. 587 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:51,000 >> Stahl: IN DECEMBER YOU 588 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:52,000 TWEETED, AND I QUOTE YOU, "CALLS 589 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:53,000 TO BAN MUSLIMS FROM ENTERING THE 590 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:54,000 U.S. ARE OFFENSIVE AND 591 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:55,000 UNCONSTITUTIONAL." 592 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:56,000 >> Trump: SO YOU CALL IT 593 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:57,000 TERRITORIES. 594 00:13:57,000 --> 00:13:58,000 OKAY? 595 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:00,000 WE'RE GONNA DO TERRITORIES. 596 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:01,000 WE'RE GONNA NOT LET PEOPLE COME 597 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:03,000 IN FROM SYRIA THAT NOBODY KNOWS WHO THEY ARE. 598 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:05,000 HILLARY CLINTON WANTS 550% MORE 599 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:06,000 PEOPLE TO COME IN THAN OBAMA. 600 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:07,000 >> Stahl: SO YOU... 601 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:08,000 >> Trump: WHO DOESN'T KNOW WHAT 602 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:09,000 HE'S... >> Stahl: SO YOU'RE CHANGING 603 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:10,000 YOUR POSITION? >> Trump: SO WE'RE GOING TO... 604 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:11,000 NO, I... CALL IT WHATEVER YOU 605 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:12,000 WANT. WE'LL CALL IT TERRITORIES, OKAY? 606 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:13,000 >> Stahl: SO NOT MUSLIMS? 607 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:14,000 >> Trump: YOU KNOW, THE 608 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:15,000 CONSTITUTION, THERE'S NOTHING 609 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:17,000 LIKE IT. 610 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:19,000 BUT IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY GIVE 611 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:23,000 US THE RIGHT TO COMMIT SUICIDE, AS A COUNTRY, OKAY? 612 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:24,000 AND I'LL TELL YOU THIS-- CALL IT 613 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:26,000 WHATEVER YOU WANT, CHANGE 614 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:28,000 TERRITORIES, BUT THERE ARE 615 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:30,000 TERRITORIES AND TERROR STATES 616 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:32,000 AND TERROR NATIONS THAT WE'RE 617 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:34,000 NOT GONNA ALLOW THE PEOPLE TO COME INTO OUR COUNTRY. 618 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:36,000 AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE A THING CALLED "EXTREME VETTING." 619 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:37,000 AND IF PEOPLE WANNA COME IN, THERE'S GONNA BE EXTREME 620 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:38,000 VETTING. 621 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:39,000 WE'RE GONNA HAVE EXTREME 622 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:40,000 VETTING. 623 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:42,000 THEY'RE GONNA COME IN AND WE'RE 624 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:43,000 GONNA KNOW WHERE THEY CAME FROM 625 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:44,000 AND WHO THEY ARE. 626 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:45,000 >> Pence: YOU JUST ASKED ME IF 627 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:47,000 I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THAT... 628 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:48,000 AND I AM. 629 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:49,000 WHAT-WHAT DONALD... >> Stahl: YOU'RE ON THE SAME 630 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:50,000 PAGE ON THAT? 631 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:51,000 >> Pence: WHICH CLEARLY-- CLEARLY THIS MAN IS NOT A 632 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:53,000 POLITICIAN. 633 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:55,000 HE DOESN'T SPEAK LIKE A POLITICIAN. 634 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:56,000 >> Stahl: HE'S DONE PRETTY WELL. 635 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:57,000 >> Pence: HE-HE SPEAKS FROM HIS 636 00:14:57,000 --> 00:14:58,000 HEART. 637 00:14:58,000 --> 00:14:59,000 >> Trump: IS THAT A GOOD THING? 638 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:00,000 I THINK THAT'S A GOOD THING. 639 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:01,000 >> Pence: HE SPEAKS FROM HIS HEART. AND... 640 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:02,000 >> Stahl: WELL, I... 641 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:03,000 >> Trump: WELL, I-I SPEAK FROM MY HEART AND MY BRAIN. 642 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:05,000 JUST SO WE UNDERSTAND... ( laughter ) 643 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:06,000 >> Pence: RIGHT. 644 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:08,000 >> Trump: THIS IS MAYBE MORE IMPORTANT. 645 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:11,000 >> Stahl: LET'S GO TO TRADE. 646 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:12,000 YOU HAVE VOTED FOR EVERY TRADE 647 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:14,000 AGREEMENT WHEN YOU WERE IN CONGRESS. 648 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:15,000 >> Pence: I HAVE. 649 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:16,000 >> Stahl: THAT CAME BEFORE YOU. YOU'RE SUPPORTING THE TRANS- 650 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:17,000 PACIFIC PARTNERSHIP THAT MR. 651 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:18,000 TRUMP SAYS WOULD RAPE THIS 652 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:22,000 COUNTRY. 653 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:24,000 NOW, ARE YOU GOING TO BE ABLE TO 654 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:26,000 GO OUT AND CAMPAIGN IN SUPPORT 655 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:30,000 OF HIS PROTECTIONIST POSITIONS? 656 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:31,000 >> Pence: I SUPPORT FREE TRADE, 657 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:33,000 AND SO DOES DONALD TRUMP. 658 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:34,000 >> Stahl: NOT REALLY. 659 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:35,000 >> Trump: I DO. 660 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:36,000 I'M FREE TRADE, BUT I WANNA MAKE GOOD DEALS. 661 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:37,000 NO, NO, I'M ALL FOR FREE 662 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:38,000 TRADE... >> Stahl: YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT... 663 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:39,000 >> Trump: KNOW I'M NOT AN 664 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:40,000 ISOLATIONIST. 665 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:41,000 A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK BECAUSE I 666 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:42,000 WANNA MAKE GOOD DEALS... 667 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:43,000 >> Stahl: YOU WANT TO UNDO THESE... 668 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:44,000 >> Trump: THESE ARE STUPID 669 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:47,000 PEOPLE... 670 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:49,000 WAIT A MINUTE LESLEY, THESE ARE 671 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:50,000 STUPID PEOPLE THAT THINK THAT. 672 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:51,000 I WANNA MAKE GREAT DEALS FOR OUR COUNTRY. 673 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:52,000 WE HAVE DEALS LIKE THE DEAL SIGNED BY BILL CLINTON, NAFTA, 674 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:53,000 ONE OF THE WORST THINGS THAT 675 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:54,000 EVER HAPPENED TO THIS COUNTRY IN 676 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:55,000 TERMS OF TRADE IN TERMS OF 677 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:56,000 ECONOMICS. 678 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:57,000 >> Stahl: WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT NAFTA? 679 00:15:57,000 --> 00:15:58,000 >> Pence: YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY 680 00:15:58,000 --> 00:15:59,000 RIGHT. I'VE SUPPORTED FREE TRADE 681 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:00,000 THROUGHOUT MY CAREER. BUT... 682 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:01,000 >> Stahl: OKAY. 683 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:02,000 >> Pence: ...THE TRUTH OF THE 684 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:05,000 MATTER IS NAFTA HAS PROVISIONS 685 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:07,000 IN THAT LAW THAT CALL FOR IT TO 686 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:11,000 BE REVIEWED, THAT HAVE NEVER BEEN... NEVER BEEN INITIATED. 687 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:13,000 WHAT-WHAT I HEAR DONALD TRUMP 688 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:14,000 SAYING IS LET'S-LET'S LOOK AT 689 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:16,000 THESE TRADE AGREEMENTS AND 690 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:17,000 RECONSIDER THEM AND RENEGOTIATE 691 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:18,000 THEM. AND... 692 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:19,000 >> Stahl: AND YOU'RE OKAY WITH 693 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:20,000 THAT? >> Pence: AND WITH REGARD TO 694 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:21,000 OTHER TRADE AGREEMENTS, WE'VE 695 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:23,000 TALKED ABOUT THIS. 696 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:24,000 I REALLY DO BELIEVE WHEN THE 697 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:26,000 AMERICAN PEOPLE ELECT ONE OF THE 698 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:28,000 BEST NEGOTIATORS IN THE WORLD AS 699 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:29,000 PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, 700 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:31,000 WE WOULD DO WELL... 701 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:32,000 >> Trump: WE'RE GONNA BRING BACK 702 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:33,000 JOBS. 703 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:34,000 >> Pence: ...TO NEGOTIATE 704 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:35,000 INDIVIDUALLY WITH COUNTRIES. 705 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:36,000 >> Trump: WE'RE GONNA BRING BACK 706 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:37,000 OUR JOBS, WE'RE GONNA BRING BACK OUR WEALTH, WE'RE GONNA TAKE 707 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:38,000 CARE OF OUR PEOPLE. VERY SIMPLE. 708 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:39,000 >> Stahl: OKAY. 709 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:40,000 MORE ISSUES. 710 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:41,000 WATERBOARDING. 711 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:43,000 MR. TRUMP WANTS TO BRING BACK 712 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:44,000 WATERBOARDING, AND "A HELL OF A 713 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:47,000 LOT MORE." 714 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:48,000 ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH 715 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:50,000 BRINGING BACK WATERBOARDING? 716 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:52,000 >> Pence: I DON'T THINK WE 717 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:53,000 SHOULD EVER TELL OUR ENEMY WHAT 718 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:54,000 OUR TACTICS ARE. 719 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:55,000 >> Stahl: BUT WHAT ABOUT THAT? 720 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:56,000 WHAT ABOUT... 721 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:57,000 >> Pence: I DON'T... >> Stahl: HE'S PUBLICLY SAID 722 00:16:57,000 --> 00:16:58,000 THAT... 723 00:16:58,000 --> 00:16:59,000 >> Trump: I LIKE THAT ANSWER. >> Pence: I DON'T THINK WE 724 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:00,000 SHOULD... I-I THINK... 725 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:01,000 >> Stahl: BUT ARE YOU OKAY WITH 726 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:02,000 THE IDEA OF WATERBOARDING? 727 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:03,000 >> Pence: I THINK... I THINK 728 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:04,000 ENHANCED INTERROGATION SAVED 729 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:06,000 LIVES. 730 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:07,000 >> Stahl: AND YOU'RE OKAY WITH 731 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:08,000 THAT? 732 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:10,000 >> Pence: WHAT I'M OKAY WITH-- 733 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:12,000 WHAT I'M OKAY WITH IS PROTECTING THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. 734 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:14,000 WHAT I'M OKAY WITH IS WHEN 735 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:16,000 PEOPLE HAVE THE INTENT TO COME 736 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:20,000 TO THIS COUNTRY AND TAKE 737 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:21,000 AMERICAN LIVES, THAT-THAT WE 738 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:22,000 ARE... OR THAT-THAT WE ARE 739 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:24,000 PREPARED TO DO WHAT'S NECESSARY 740 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:25,000 TO GAIN THE INFORMATION TO 741 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:27,000 PROTECT THE PEOPLE OF THIS COUNTRY. 742 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:28,000 >> Trump: BUT LESLEY, LET'S STEP 743 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:29,000 FURTHER. 744 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:30,000 WE HAVE AN ENEMY, I.S.I.S. AND 745 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:32,000 OTHERS, WHO CHOP OFF HEADS, WHO 746 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:34,000 DROWN PEOPLE IN STEEL CAGES AND 747 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:36,000 WE CAN'T DO WATERBOARDING. 748 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:37,000 >> Stahl: OKAY, BUT, BUT WHY... 749 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:38,000 >> Trump: OKAY, THEY'RE NOT 750 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:39,000 PLAYING... 751 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:40,000 >> Stahl: ...WOULD YOU USE THEIR 752 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:41,000 TECHNIQUES? >> Trump: WHAT, THOSE TECHNIQUES 753 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:42,000 GET INFORMATION. I DON'T CARE WHAT ANYONE SAYS. 754 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:43,000 >> Stahl: ARE YOU AGREEING WITH HIM? 755 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:45,000 >> Pence: I AM. 756 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:46,000 >> Trump: AND GET INFORMATION USING THOSE THINGS. 757 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:47,000 >> Pence: WHAT I CAN TELL YOU IS 758 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:50,000 ENHANCED INFORMATION GLEANED 759 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:52,000 INFORMATION THAT SAVED AMERICAN 760 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:53,000 LIVES AND, I WAS INFORMED, 761 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:54,000 PREVENTED INCOMING TERRORIST 762 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:55,000 ATTACKS ON THIS COUNTRY FROM 763 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:57,000 BEING SUCCESSFUL. 764 00:17:57,000 --> 00:17:59,000 THE AMERICAN PEOPLE EXPECT THE 765 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:01,000 PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES 766 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:03,000 TO BE PREPARED TO SUPPORT ACTION 767 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:04,000 TO PROTECT THE PEOPLE OF THIS 768 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:05,000 NATION, AND I KNOW DONALD TRUMP 769 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:07,000 WILL. 770 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:08,000 >> Stahl: HAVE YOU ANSWERED ME? 771 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:09,000 >> Pence: I HAVE. 772 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:10,000 >> Stahl: LET'S TALK ABOUT THE 773 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:12,000 CONVENTION. YOU'RE A SHOWMAN. 774 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:13,000 WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO TO KEEP 775 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:14,000 IT FROM BEING A SNOOZE-O-RAMA, 776 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:17,000 AS SOME HAVE HAPPENED. 777 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:18,000 >> Trump: WELL, I THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE AN EXCITING TIME. 778 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:19,000 WE'VE GOT SOME WONDERFUL 779 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:20,000 SPEAKERS. 780 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:22,000 WE HAVE SOME VERY TALENTED PEOPLE. 781 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:24,000 MY FAMILY'S GONNA SPEAK. 782 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:25,000 >> Stahl: WORRIED ABOUT VIOLENCE 783 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:27,000 OUTSIDE? 784 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:28,000 THIS IS AN OPEN-CARRY STATE. 785 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:30,000 PEOPLE CAN CARRY GUNS. 786 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:31,000 THERE'LL BE DEMONSTRATORS. 787 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:32,000 THEY'VE ALREADY SAID THEY'RE 788 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:34,000 GONNA CARRY ASSAULT RIFLES. 789 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:35,000 ARE YOU WORRIED? 790 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:36,000 AND WOULD YOU CALL ON PEOPLE NOT 791 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:38,000 TO CARRY THEIR GUNS? 792 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:39,000 >> Trump: I HAVE GREAT FAITH IN 793 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:41,000 LAW ENFORCEMENT. 794 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:43,000 IF THEY DON'T WANNA TAKE THEIR GUNS, I THINK THAT'S FANTASTIC. 795 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:44,000 BUT I HAVE GREAT CONFIDENCE IN 796 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:46,000 LAW ENFORCEMENT. 797 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:48,000 THE POLICE LIKE DONALD TRUMP. 798 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:50,000 IT'S LAW AND ORDER. 799 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:52,000 AND I HAVE GREAT CONFIDENCE THAT THEY WILL DO A GREAT JOB. 800 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:54,000 >> Stahl: THERE'S NO QUESTION IN 801 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:58,000 ANYBODY'S MIND THAT YOU WANT TO WIN THIS ELECTION. 802 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:01,000 I DON'T THINK ANYONE WOULD DOUBT THAT. 803 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:03,000 BUT WHAT ABOUT BEING PRESIDENT? 804 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:05,000 DO YOU REALLY WANT TO BE 805 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:06,000 PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES? 806 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:07,000 >> Trump: I WANNA MAKE AMERICA 807 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:08,000 GREAT AGAIN. 808 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:09,000 HONESTLY. 809 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:10,000 I WANNA MAKE AM... I'M NOT DOING 810 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:11,000 THIS BECAUSE... I'M SACRIFICING 811 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:14,000 TREMENDOUS THINGS. 812 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:16,000 I COULD BE DOING OTHER THINGS. 813 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:17,000 IT'S LOVELY TO SIT DOWN WITH YOU 814 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:19,000 AND BE GRILLED. 815 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:20,000 THAT'S OKAY. 816 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:21,000 BUT I COULD BE DOING OTHER 817 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:23,000 THINGS RIGHT NOW. 818 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:24,000 AND I HAVE SOME OF THE GREATEST 819 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:26,000 PROPERTIES IN THE WORLD. I COULD BE OUT THERE... 820 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:28,000 >> Stahl: WOULD YOU RATHER BE OUT THERE? 821 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:29,000 >> Trump: I TELL YOU WHAT. 822 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:30,000 I'VE REALLY ENJOYED THIS 823 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:31,000 PROCESS. 824 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:32,000 I'VE GOTTEN TO KNOW THE PEOPLE 825 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:33,000 OF THIS COUNTRY. 826 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:34,000 I'VE GOTTEN TO KNOW PLACES THAT 827 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:35,000 I DIDN'T KNOW, THAT I READ 828 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:37,000 ABOUT, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW. 829 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:38,000 I'VE ALSO GOTTEN TO SEE THE 830 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:39,000 PROBLEMS. AND IT'S A MOVEMENT. 831 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:40,000 NOW, WHEN YOU ASK ME THE 832 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:41,000 QUESTION, DO I WANNA BE? 833 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:42,000 >> Stahl: YEAH. >> Trump: I WANNA BE FOR ONE 834 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:43,000 REASON. 835 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:45,000 I WANNA MAKE AMERICA SAFE AGAIN, 836 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:46,000 AND I WANNA MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN. 837 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:47,000 THAT'S WHY I'M DOING THIS. 838 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:50,000 AND I LOVE IT. 839 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:51,000 >> Stahl: AND YOU WANNA GOVERN? I MEAN IT... 840 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:52,000 >> Trump: I DO WANNA GOVERN. 841 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:53,000 >> Stahl: IT IS DIFFERENT 842 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:54,000 BUILDING A MOVEMENT... 843 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:55,000 >> Trump: I DO I GOVERN MY... I... 844 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:56,000 >> Stahl: AND THAN GOING IN 845 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:57,000 THERE WITH THE NITTY GRITTY AND ALL THAT TOUGH DECISION MAKING. 846 00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:58,000 >> Trump: SURE. 847 00:19:58,000 --> 00:19:59,000 NO, NO I WANNA GOVERN. 848 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:00,000 >> Stahl: OKAY, THIS IS MY 849 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:02,000 ABSOLUTE FINAL QUESTION. >> Trump: OKAY. 850 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:03,000 >> Stahl: YOU'RE NOT KNOWN TO BE 851 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:04,000 A HUMBLE MAN. 852 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:05,000 BUT I WONDER... 853 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:06,000 >> Trump: I THINK I AM, ACTUALLY 854 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:07,000 HUMBLE. 855 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:08,000 I THINK I'M MUCH MORE HUMBLE 856 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:10,000 THAN YOU WOULD UNDERSTAND. 857 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:13,000 >> Stahl: AS YOU THINK ABOUT THE 858 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:15,000 PROSPECT OF RUNNING THIS COUNTRY 859 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:16,000 IN THESE TOUGH TIMES WHERE THE 860 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:17,000 WORLD IS SPINNING APART-- ARE 861 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:19,000 YOU AWED? 862 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:21,000 ARE YOU INTIMIDATED? 863 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:22,000 ARE YOU HUMBLED BY THE ENORMITY 864 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:25,000 OF THIS? 865 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:26,000 >> Trump: YOU JUST SAID IT BEST. 866 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:27,000 >> Pence: MMM. 867 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:28,000 >> Trump: IN A WORLD THAT'S 868 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:30,000 SPINNING APART. 869 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:31,000 THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING OF. 870 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:32,000 I'M NOT THINKING OF, "OH GEE, 871 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:33,000 ISN'T THIS WONDERFUL? 872 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:34,000 ISN'T THIS GREAT WHAT I'VE 873 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:36,000 DONE?" 874 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:37,000 I'VE HAD PEOPLE THAT SAID, "IT 875 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:38,000 DOESN'T MATTER IF YOU WIN OR 876 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:39,000 LOSE, WHAT YOU'VE DONE HAS NEVER 877 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:40,000 BEEN DONE BEFORE. 878 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:41,000 YOU'RE GONNA GO DOWN IN THE HISTORY BOOKS." 879 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:42,000 YOU KNOW WHAT I SAY TO 'EM?" 880 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:44,000 I SAY, "YOU'RE WRONG." 881 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:45,000 I WILL CONSIDER IT, 'CAUSE I 882 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:46,000 FUNDED MY OWN PRIMARIES, I'M 883 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:49,000 FUNDING NOW A LOT OF THIS CAMPAIGN. 884 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:50,000 I'M PUTTING IN, YOU KNOW, I'VE 885 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:51,000 SPENT $55 MILLION IN THE 886 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:52,000 PRIMARIES. 887 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:54,000 I'M SPENDING A FORTUNATE NOW. 888 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:56,000 I'LL TELL YOU, IT IS SPINNING. 889 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:58,000 OUR WORLD IS SPINNING OUT OF CONTROL. 890 00:20:58,000 --> 00:20:59,000 OUR COUNTRY'S SPINNING OUT OF 891 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:01,000 CONTROL. THAT'S WHAT I THINK ABOUT. 892 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:04,000 AND I'LL STOP THAT. 893 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:06,000 >> Stahl: NOT... HUMBLED OR... AWE. 894 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:07,000 >> Pence: I CAN SAY TO YOU... 895 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:08,000 WHAT... >> Stahl: GO AHEAD. 896 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:10,000 >> Pence: TALKING WITH HIM IN PRIVATE SETTINGS, I LOVE THE 897 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:13,000 WORDS YOU USED BECAUSE THIS MAN 898 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:15,000 IS AWED WITH THE AMERICAN 899 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:16,000 PEOPLE, AND HE IS NOT 900 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:19,000 INTIMIDATED BY THE WORLD. 901 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:20,000 AND DONALD TRUMP, THIS GOOD MAN, 902 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:21,000 I BELIEVE, WILL BE A GREAT 903 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:24,000 PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. 904 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:25,000 >> Trump: I LOVE WHAT HE JUST 905 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:30,000 SAID. 906 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:43,000 >> CBS MONEY WATCH UPDATE SPONSORED BY: 907 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:45,000 >> GOOD EVENING. AFTER A FAILED COUP, THE TURKISH 908 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:47,000 GOVERNMENT IS TRYING TO CALM 909 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:48,000 INVESTORS, SAYING ITS ECONOMIC 910 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:49,000 FOUNDATIONS ARE SOLID. 911 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:51,000 YAHOO IS EXPECTED TO REPORT 912 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:53,000 LOWER EARNINGS TOMORROW AND WRAP 913 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:55,000 UP THE BIDDING PROCESS FOR ITS 914 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:56,000 SALE. 915 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:58,000 AND GOLDMAN SACHS, BANK OF 916 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:00,000 AMERICA AND MORGAN STANLEY 917 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:03,000 REPORT EARNINGS THIS WEEK. 918 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:06,000 I'M JAMIE YUCCAS, CBS NEWS.