host: good morning. it's wednesday, may 15. this is the national police week, and there are several events happening in washington, d.c., including a candlelight vigil at the national mall, speeches, and other ceremonies.

this morning we'll get your views of police in your community. how much cooperation is there between your community and local law enforcement? how much do you trust your police? our phone lines are regional. if you're in the eastern or central time zones, call us on 202-748-8000. if you're in mountain or pacific, it's 202-748-8001. and we have a line set aside for those working in law enforcement. that number is 202-748-8002. you can also send us a text at 202-748-8003. and we're on social media, facebook.com/cspan, and x, @cspanwj. welcome to "washington journal." as i said, this is national police week, and this is their website. it's policeweek.org. it says national police week offers honor, remembrance and peer support, while allowing law

enforcement survivors and citizens to gather and pay homage to those who gave their lives in the line of duty. and let's take a look at yesterday, house speaker mike johnson delivered remarks in tribute of fallen police officers during a prayer vigil on capitol hill. >> we want to thank you all for being here on what is a somber evening. there's during national police week and ahead of police officers memorial day, we give much deserved recognition to our law enforcement officers, in particular, of course, those who have fall known the line of duty. the men and women, all of our law enforcement, are the men and women who pursue justice, maintain order, and guard the safety of our communities from crime and chaos. and those who have given their

lives for this noble and necessary cause are buried with honor and, of course, with heartache. we mourn because they were taken too soon. but in their supreme sacrifice, these officers have shown the greatest form of love, the act of laying down one's life for others. 26,000 officers have died in the line of duty in the u.s., 56 just this past year alone. it is a dangerous vocation, but it is more than a vocation, it is a calling. and we honor those who step up to that calling. these officers exemplify the american spirit. they have pledged their lives and sacred honor so that we may all live in peace. and today we gather to pay tribute to those who clothe themselves in the uniforms of dignity and decency, those who stand on the lines of justice and keep us all safe. we also say thank you to the families who have lost their loved ones because of their commitment to keeping our

community safe. host: that was from yesterday. this is national police week, so we're asking you the question on your view of police in your community. the lines are regional. if you're in the eastern or central time zones, it's 202-748-8000. mountain pacific, 202-748-8001. we do have our line set aside for law enforcement, so if you are currently working in the law enforcement field, call us on 202-748-8002. speaker johnson mentioned fallen officers. this is the associated press with this headline, assault on law enforcement in the u.s. reached a 10-year high in 2023, according to the f.b.i. now we'll hear from the, a portion of f.b.i. director christopher wray's police week message. >> they've made a choice to serve and protect, to defend our

communities and hold criminals accountable. and to show up and be there for people in their how of need. it's hard to imagine a higher calling than that. so police week gives us an important opportunity to recognize and thank those heroes who walk among us, the men and women of courage and character who think of others before themselves, no matter the cost. it's a sad reality and unacceptable one that sometimes that commitment to others means making the ultimate sacrifice. but the loss of even one brave officer is too many. last year, 60 law enforcement officers were feloniously killed, as in murdered, in the line of duty. 60 officers who picked up their badges one morning, said goodbye to their families, and didn't

make it home at the end of the day. 60 officers who are willing to run guard danger rather than run away and put their lives on the line to keep others, often complete strangers, safe. tragically, that trend is continuing this year. so police week is also a time for us to remember those who have made that ultimate sacrifice. to mourn their loss and to pay tribute to their selfless service. host: and that was f.b.i. director christopher wray. we are taking your calls, and we'll start with shannon in waterloo, iowa. good morning. caller: good morning. i just wanted to answer your question about the way i felt about police. from waterloo, iowa, it's been a very negative kind of annotation

to that. where we're from, the police department used to have a lit cal k.k.k. symbol in their cars, and they used to just -- and before it was removed, they just kind of felt like they needed it. when they removed this, they had the mayor try to run on the campaign to bring it back. host: when was this, shannon? caller: last campaign, 2020. we were able to get the griffin off the car. it still stands within the police department there. we had a black male shot killed a couple of years ago. he was running. they just shot him. and then they act like they couldn't do anything about it. half the police force doesn't live in the city. the one black cop that i did know as a kid, he was literally just a p.s.o., and that was the

one cop in the entire city. it just kind of felt like they're not allowing us to get up and actually move, breathe and live as we should. host: have you had any interaction there, shannon, personally? caller: yes, i got pulled over a couple of years ago before i joined the military, and it was a routine stop, but then he started asking questions about me and my family, like he had something on me. so it was just always these questioning things where i can't trust the cops, because all they do is just try to write you up on something. host: all right, appreciate you sharing that with us. we have this from kevin on x, who says that he has minimal contact and has a positive attitude of st. petersburg, florida, police department. here is an article from the

washington examiner with this headline, house g.o.p. looks to cement law and order platform during national police week. i'll just read you some of it that says that lawmakers will vote on a slew of police-related legislation over the coming days, including bills that increase protection for law enforcement officers, as well as resolutions denouncing the biden administration over what republicans consider to be "soft on crime policies." the law enforcement bills will also include a number of provisions seeking to crack down on the rise of illegal immigration at the southern border, which has become a hot-button topic on capitol hill. so here's some of the bills that they're looking at. one of the top bills lawmakers will vote on this week is a proposal to require that illegal immigrants who are arrested for assaulting law enforcement officers are "quickly arrested and detained by immigration and customs enforcement, that's

i.c.e., until they are deported from the united states. it's called the detain and deport illegal aliens who assault cops act. it's introduced by representatives jeff van drew, a republican from new jersey, and it comes in response to an attack on two new york police department officers by a group of immigrants just outside the shelter near times square earlier this year. republicans have seized on that incident, as well as others, to blame the biden administration's border policies for causing a rise in crime across the country. let's take a look at some brief remarks that former president trump made at a rally recently about this topic. >> to give back our police, we're going to give them back the protection and the respect that they need. we're going to give them immunity that them don't get

sued. host: and that was the former president talking about immunity. wonder what you think about that as well, if you think that your local law enforcement should be immune from prosecution. for alleged misconduct. i wanted to show enthuse from "the washington post." -- show you this from "the washington post." they are tracking police shootings. this is in "the washington post." last updated may 3, and it says 1,126 people have been shot and killed by police in the past 12 months. since 2015, the number is 9,628. this is the last three of the victims, so a 23-year-old in fort walton beach, florida. a 43-year-old in dover, ohio.

and a 19-year-old in tiffen, ohio. this is the article. this will show you kind of how it compares visually with the last few years. so here's 2023 at the top. this is the number of victims on this side, and this is the month. so over the course of a year where we are at 2023 being the last full year that we have. so we're getting your comments on that, and we are getting this comment from r.r. over x, who says just like every other profession, there are good cops and there ar bad cops. i convince called the cops for a domestic violence incident. the cop was young and not really trainedo handle the situation. he told me to never call the cops again. he was a bad cop. they all aren't.

and back to the phones, to don in michigan. hi, don, good morning. caller: good morning. i think our police problem is pretty bad, especially i think our law enforcement, when they approach an african-american, they have to approach the person. i really don't know where america is going with law enforcement, but they got to do a better job, and all police officers are not bad, i agree. but the bad ones need to be off the force and not protected, and they need to get rid of where they can't be sued.

if they do illegal shooting, they should be sued, arrested and charged just like anybody else. it's terrible the way they slaughter young black men, just terrible. have a great day, and vote blue up and down the ticket. host: and this is the grio that says trump's vow for police immunity could spell trouble for black communities. if there's no criminal accountability of police or criminal behavior, then we're living in a country that's becoming a police state. that's according to maya wylie, an advocate and civil rights attorney. oliver, falls church, virginia, good morning. caller: hello. host: go right ahead, oliver. caller: good morning. host: good morning. caller: listen, real quick, i

love c-span, and real quick, i'm going to just say that i stopped calling for a while and just observed, i guess a month period, and this is the first time i called back in about a month. i live here in the northern virginia area, live here in falls church, virginia, if you know the area. so i lived in the metro area all my life. maryland, virginia, and the district of columbia, a short period of time when i was younger. i'm 70 years old now. i'm retired. i get my disability. no, ma'am, sorry, i'm getting social security, mine went from disability, because i had a heart attack, but i'm doing ok physically, and then now i'm on social security, and i'm in a housing program through the government. i couldn't live if the

government hadn't stepped up and picked up what i couldn't do for myself. host: and what are your thoughts, oliver, on falls church city police? caller: listen, they're really, really nice people, but i think that if we don't hold them accountability when something goes wrong, things will completely fall apart, and i really belief, i am praying that joe biden wins that white house back for a four more year and that he can complete another term and get our country back on track again with americans not fighting at other americans' throat. keep up the good work at c-span, thank you. host: all right, and this is a reason.com with this article. trump promises to give police immunity from prosecution.

the pledge, while mostly legally ill lit rail, offers a reminder of the former president's outlook on government accountability. it says between police and prosecutors, law enforcement officers are already the most powerful people in government, so it's unclear what trump means by giving them "their power back." the second promise, immunity from prosecution is more concrete and a reminder of the president's views on government accountability. there are, however, a few problems. let's begin with the first. as president, trump would be extremely constrained in immunizing anyone, including police officers from prosecution, as most criminal proceedings are in state court, where his power wouldn't apply. and while it's true that some officers are charged federally for alleged misconduct, where he could lobby the department of justice to refuse to charge any cops, those prosecutions are often in addition to state charges. joe is in piscataway, new

jersey, and you're in law enforcement, joe, what do you do? caller: yes, i just want to say that, to me, when i see things like this being discussed, it's very good. but people don't necessarily understand that the accountability starts when someone is first recruited. it's the training. that could start a very long discussion about how to do that. there's no consistency among departments here in new jersey. they try the country training, but to be done within a year, and it wasn't until the 12th month in many instances. that's just an observation. what the general public doesn't know over the course of decades is internal internally it was handled very well, but from what i've seen, for example, some of mile an hour direct experiences was in training with officers

who were looking for issues. they couldn't wait for their first problem on the street. they should have been pulled right away. so i moon, how to summarize what i'm trying to say will be a huge topic is that if you audited every department across this country, you would find an extreme inconsistency within the training. so, being give you one more example, and i don't want to take up a lot of your time, but i had a friend who was a capitol police officer. he was new. he had been there. he was young. he was doing well. he really had an issue with how they were deployed and how they were engaged for what they could do, and i said, well, why do you need to do this, this, and this? we can't do that. what are you talking about? has training trained that much? and i don't know that necessarily training changed

that much, but the enforcement of how it's deployed, like anything, i mean -- host: what do you think would be a good solution there, joe? caller: well, the last thing we need is another committee. however, if either voluntarily or otherwise, i think every single, from the smallest sheriff's department to the largest federal organization, they need to all submit to an audit of how they're training and with observers. host: and do you think that any police misconduct that you might have seen on your force is just due to lack of training and not necessarily "bad cops?" caller: well, yeah, it defends how you define training. -- it depends how you define training. we're in the world of definitions. the people who are training the officers, they're training to discern someone that needs to be pulled for maturity or emotional issue. i've seen stuff where i'm like,

you know, guys, when i get back and i'm asked, everything is going to be right up front to be in a report, so you end it now, whatever they might have been doing. the blue line is real, you know? it's a fact. you have to be very immature to not understand that exists. however, as human beings, where people are talking to basically other people, yeah, well -- host: when you say blue line, you mean essentially police officers not informing on fellow police officers when they see any misconduct? caller: absolutely. host: have you crossed that line? have you been able to say, look, i'm reporting this? caller: well, fortunately, i have the ability to see ahead where things are going, so i did not see anything that i needed to report, but i made sure i wasn't there to see it.

by issuing that warning, it stopped it. there's ways of handling it, and that was my training. it's a conflict issue. it's hard to get somebody to understand necessarily what i'm saying, so what i'm saying now could be seen as bad. but there's probably a lot of cops shaking their head going, yeah, he handled it correctly, because it ended it. host: all right, joe, appreciate that. amanda in missouri, good morning. caller: good morning. this topic today, i'd like to share a quote. laws are made by the dominant socioeconomic ethnic group. it's just a promise of violence that's enacted, and police are basically an occupying army. the police in this country, they're just here to protect, not actually help people. i think that's very evident by what happened in texas and uvalde, the cops just stood there. these peaceful protests, cops

are using violence from peaceful protesters to remove them. host: have you had any direct involvement with police officers? oh, looks like we lost her. anthony in mohegan lake, new york, good morning, anthony. caller: good morning. what's your name again? host: mimi. caller: mimi, i'm from westchester. i'm a wealthy millionaire, i've been having donald trump help me with social security. i have sued a few police departments, state, and that whole police commissioner that was working for new york, the black lady, yeah, we fired her, and i sued her for a trillion and a million -- host: earnest in columbus,

georgia, good morning. caller: well, i got a different perspective on it. i'm going to make an analogy. we got airplane controllers. you got to be smart to be able to control patterns for airplanes, and these people get paid a good salary. we got places, part of our society, but we don't recognize it, but we don't get the best of the people to do the job, because the pay scale causes this to hire people that really is not qualified maybe, and that's not a knock on these people. they're just looking at what they have, but my thing is if we would just pay them more money, we could get better qualified people to make better decisions. this is just common sense. that's really the crux of the problem. you get cheap labor, you get cheap work. host: and laura in spokane,

washington, good morning. host: good morning. the reason why i called is that i hear this constant criticism and demonizing of police officers, and i feel that it is completely wrong, especially when they are taken away their authority to be able to stop criminals. the reason why i say this is because all of this demonizing of our police officers and retraining in the woke agenda has cost the lives of hundreds of police officers. and in 2021, over 8,000 young black men were killed by other black men, ok? and the reason for that is because they can't get them off the street, so they kill innocent black men in these gangs and stuff, and that's the big tragedy here. host: who can't get them off the street? caller: the cops.

host: so they killed them? caller: no, they don't kill them. they put them in jail before they can kill anybody else. but it's cost almost a whole generation of young black men and a whole generation of police officers. i mean, it's ridiculous, this idea that our cops are out to get people. they're not. they have lots to do. they don't need to run around looking for people to cause harm to. black, white, or indifferent. host: i wonder what your reaction has been to some of the cases in the past where that has happened. caller: ok, what i have found in most cases, when i look at it really closely, let me put a hot ember on this. george floyd, ok, we all watched what happened to george floyd. we seen what we thought was the cop's foot on his throat. but when george floyd took his last breath, it wasn't

obstructed. he took his last breath. those cops are innocent. and i know i'm going to get hit for that, but excuse me, i'm sorry, but it's true. they are criminals. they are committing criminal acts. cops have to stop that in order so that some kid does not get killed walking down the street. host: all right, laura, and we are taking your calls for about another half-hour on the question of your view of police in your community, this idea that the former president has said giving police immunity from prosecution. want to know how much interaction that you have with your local law enforcement and any cooperation that might be going on between your community and your local police. our numbers are regional. eastern and central time zones, 202-748-8000. mountain or pacific,

202-748-8001. our line for law enforcement, 202-748-8002. earlier, a few months ago, earlier this year president biden spoke and gave remarks to a group of law enforcement officers at the white house. here it is. >> the american rescue plan, we have the largest federal investment of fighting crime and preventing violence crime any time in our history. and that's a big deal. we know being in law enforcement is harder than ever, and we expect it to be everything to everybody. that's why we've invested in more crisis responders to work alongside police officers as mental health workers to respond to nonviolent crimes as well. more investment in recruiting, retraining and training officers. more investment in violence prevention to get guns off the street. on top of that, we're hiring

more u.s. attorneys, recruiting more u.s. marshals, investing more in technology and training to clear the court back log, solve murders, and deal with apprehending violent fugitives. and we're also working hard to ensure bonds of trust between officers and the people they all serve. my budget calls for more officers in the street, trained in community policing, walking the beat, working hard hand in hand with community leaders and partners and gaining public trust and advance public safety. people in this room know when their communities trust their police, we can solve a hell of lot more crimes a hell of a lot more faster. that's why i signed this bill. it's very effective so far. i'm going to continue to call on congress to pass the george floyd policing, justice in policing act, so we can make police reform the lay of the

land. host: checking in on our social media, here is vickie on facebook. i appreciate the jy do to many times a thankless job, a job madeuch harder than it be because they have to deal with theesults of bad policies that let criminals back into our communities. they are often the ones who are with your loved ones when they ke their last breath. their pay is low. the risk is high. and they are under attack from the left. and this ishane also on facebook. for my extremely local community, there great. because they're a part of the communy, rather than set apart from the community. i've lived other places where they aren't, and it was a very different kind of expernce. and this is terry, our n.c.o.'s are the best, thank you new york police department first precinct. john is calling us from turtle

creek, pennsylvania. john, good morning. caller: good morning, america. thanks for taking my call. i'm sitting here listening this morning, i had to call in because i feel like the police are just being run into the ground by most of the callers. it's really funny that people feel this way. there's been so many opportunities for people to see exactly what the police do in america. there was a show called "cops" on fox for years. there's actually a cops show on now on the reels channel on friday and saturday nights that follow police live. so you're actually with a camera crew with a police and you actually get to see what they deal with. i think people ought to watch these shows. and for all the bad cops in the united states, they ought to be sat down and they ought to watch these shows because it will actually show them how they're really supposed to do their job. i'm hearing a lot of people call

in this morning and throw the cops into the ground. the young girl called in earlier because she must be one of these protesters and was complaining how they're handling the protesters. it's a shame that the parents haven't educated the kids to know what police are, what they're here for, and you don't tell a cop that you're not going to do something that they ask you to do. and as long as you cooperate and do what the police do, you don't get hurt, there's no problems, and usually you'll have to deal with whatever you did and go through the courts and stuff. but if you watch these cop shows, you'd be amazed to found out how many of the people that they try to pull over in this country just take off and run from them and cause all kinds of horrible accidents that kill people in this country, things that we don't need. and most of the time they're running because they have a little bit of marijuana in their

car. they're going to get a ticket for it, but they think they're going to go to jail. i really wish people would quit slamming the police. they work hard. it takes a lot to put that badge on and do that job. and they definitely deserve more of our credit, but thank you for taking my call. host: let's go to washington, d.c. next to dexter. dexter, you're on the air. caller: good morning, mimi. i just want to say that the police have two jobs. one job is to protect, the other job is to serve. and you can tell by all of these different phone calls who's being protected and who's being served. i'm a african-american male. i'm almost 54 now, but when i was in my 20's and 30's, everywhere i went in my car, the police would literally be going the opposite direction, see me, pull me right over, put me in handcuffs, search my car, for absolutely nothing, and then let

me go without a warning. it happened so many times that it seemed normal. i was sitting in a neighborhood one day and seen about five or six young black guys sitting on the corner. they be young guys, teenagers, and they were just talking. a police car pulled up, got on the speaker, and told them keep it moving, and then followed them all the way up the street. so what i'm trying to say is, the police come into black neighborhoods. they literally mess with the young people, put them enraged, and then they leave and expect the crimes to happen. so they create most of the crimes in black neighborhoods. they instigate most of the crimes in black neighborhoods. and they have no respect for black people in this country at all. they treat us any kind of way they want to, so like i said from the beginning, you can tell by the phone calls who's being served and who's being protected. host: dexter, you said you used to get pulled over all the time as you've gotten older and now middle aged, has that stopped?

caller: they run my tags, they see that i'm older and tonight pull me over. they literally right around the city in maryland, virginia, and d.c., literally looking for young black men to harass, because that's their mandate, to run around and chase after the people that they think are doing the crimes. if if they would economically help people, there wouldn't be any crime. you oppress us, keep us broke, and then expect us not to commit crimes? that doesn't make any sense. you create crimes. host: dexter, does this happen with white police officers and black police officers? caller: yes, some of the black cops, they mostly do more so that they can show the white they're with them, so they do a lot more. when i was 14 years old, they chased me from the street,

handcuffed me, threw me in a trash can, pulled me out the trash can face first on the ground, and then locked me up. and i was 14. host: but why did you run away? if there's a cop chasing you, why did you not you just -- caller: ma'am, ma'am, ma'am, black people see the the cops as the enemy. every time they come after us, we literally run, because if you let them catch you, you might get whupped or end up dead. host: all right, and chris in buffalo, new york, good morning. caller: good morning. host: chris, are you there? caller: yes. host: go ahead. caller: the police -- host: june in oklahoma, good morning. caller: good morning.

i heard some things that disturbed me, because i know, in fact, there's a few things that have been true, but people need to look at things from a police officer's point of view. we had an incident for another policeman in a town that was trying to stop a person that was acting irrationally, and he wound up dead. because he chose the lesser action. our society -- host: sorry, who ended up dead? caller: the officer. host: the person that was tased shot him? caller: yes. and these police officers are hesitant to act. it's costing them their lives.

if you check the numbers, the percent increase in the policeman, has gone up drastically. in oklahoma, typically we need to have 100 new highway patrolman. this year we only had 22. no one wants the job. the pay has increased. they don't want the job because it's dangerous, and there's very little respect by the public. at the same time, the businesses are paying more money to hire security guards. because the public is irrational, out of control, there's so many people on drugs it's ridiculous. i know one young black officer

had said that he became an officer because the best people in his rough neighborhood were the police. they were the ones trying to help others and provide safety. host: all right, june, let me get a little bit more information on that article i mentioned from the a.p. about assaults on law enforcement in the u.s. reaching a 10-year high in 2023. it says that agencies reported 466 assaults with fire amples, which is the highest level in a decade. that's up from less than 200 officers assaulted and injured by guns in 2024. there were 60 officers killed as a result of criminal acts in 2023. that's compared to 61 the year prior and 73 in 2021. while those numbers declined over the last three years, there

were more officer killings as the result of criminal acts in that time than any other three-year period in the last two decades, according to the f.b.i. those killed in that last decade, so between 2014 and 2023, had an average of 12 years of experience as a sworn officer. more than 230 officers were reportedly accidentally killed in the line of duty between 2019 and 2023. most of those officers, 57%, died in vehicle crashes, and another 30% were hit by a vehicle. todd in west virginia, you're on the air. caller: good morning, mimi, how are you doing today? host: you're retired law enforcement. caller: yes, ma'am, i am. i just want to say i love you guys, and thank you for the open forum. we can hear debate from all sides of the nation, so god bless you, ma'am.

but as well, ma'am, i grew up in an era where we hated cops, i hated cops, but believe it or not, i changed life around and got into law enforcement through positive reinforcement, structure, and the love of my life is god. but as well, it's sad to see where we're at as a nation today. i have to say, unfortunately the racism thing, law enforcement for george floyd and his situation, but i don't know a lot of people know this or not, but did you know george floyd knew the arresting officer? yeah, george floyd used to be a bouncer at a bar, and they had run-ins all the time together, so yeah, they had a history, you guys, and the rest of the nation, yeah, but you might want to look that one up. when i changed life around, ma'am, and got into law

enforcement -- host: i'm just curious, you said that you hated the police and then ended up turning your life around and joining. what was it that made you hate the police in your younger years? caller: and all the bad things that most teenagers in 1991, 1992, and yeah, i was into, we were the reckless youth at that time. i don't know what you consider us now, we were the reckless youth. like i said, we disrespected cops. we hated them. we disrespected like these kids are nowadays. they're so lost. i was lost, unfortunately. but i changed life around. but i see it out here on these campuses, and it hurts my heart. it hurts my heart to see the hate that's destroying the country like it is, including we all put our pant legged on one leg at a time. i was in an environment where my friend went to afghanistan

alongside the rest of my brothers and sisters down here at 167th military police, down here at the airlift in martinsburg, guys, they all went to war. a lot of my friends didn't come back the same, ok? but we had a director come into our house, and it supposedly helped us, luke i said, my warden was at war. but this guy wanted to micromanage us, and fortunately, i'm a white caucasian, and this guy, yeah, he was an african-american, and as well, it didn't become race, but this guy hated the other side, and it was really sad, because he drove a lot of my co-workers out the door because of the abuse that we took. host: all right, todd, appreciate you joining, sharing your experiences. this is tracy on facebook that says i live in louisville, kentucky. do t name breonna taylor ra

a bell? that's just a few on the list. when the d.o.j. has to come in on your police department, it's bad. and frank on facebook says too many of them in my area, western new yk, we've got local, state, sheriff, and all the cops th goes along with multiple layers of law enforcement. they are very important. but it is one of the things that callses taxes to be very high. and glen says what police? milford, pennsylvania is the county seat. i've been here over 30 years and have never seen a cop on the street. and p.s.p. is understaffed. let's talk to pat, new york, good morning. caller: good morning. i started my morning off with a program on cnn this morning, and i saw mike johnson on the steps of the courthouse with a handful of other politicians that were

supporting donald trump in the hush money trial. and then you have the program about the cops on. and my opinion this morning is you have these politicians that stand behind trump who was the key person involved in the january 6 insurrection, where cops were killed. one cop was killed and others were hurt. that's just my opinion this morning. you talked about cops in the community and the support, and then you have these politicians that come on in the morning, or yesterday, stand on the steps supporting a guy that was instrumental in the insurrection. host: and pat, how about the police in hamburg, new york? caller: oh, i have no problem with them. it's a small, hate to say it, small white community, and we have no issues. i live outside the city of buffalo.

it's a small suburb. we have our problems occasionally in the city of buffalo. but, you know, it's understandable for the size of the city. that's all i have to say, to tell you the truth. host: let's go to eastern maryland. good morning. go right ahead. caller: good morning. thanks for taking my call. as i was listening, i think that we all want the same thing in terms of the response of law enforcement, and i think americans all want the same thing. we all want to feel safe. we all want to feel protected. my background is mental health. i'm also serving my local police accountability board. i'm a african-american male. from my perspective, i see that oftentimes when people talk about law enforcement, so two things come to mind. one thing is people come from different perspectives, so you

have certain people who grew up with law enforcement, and they had a positive experience. they kind of pant a broad brush stroke, and therefore, that's the perspective. other people who had negative experiences with law enforcement they might think that broad brush stroke as well. as we continue discussions, we should maybe perhaps stop stereotyping all law enforcement in all good or all bad, because if you have certain individuals or certain processes that are negative and adverse in certain communities, and then you have other systems where things are very positive and things are working very well, so one thing i'll just ask for the discussion is maybe we're looking at it as like a broad stereotype, either good or bad, and i don't think that's helpful to the discussion, because both are true in different circumstances and situations. host: all right, and peter,

tucson, arizona. hi, peter. caller: hi, how you doing today? thank you for your program. host: thank you for calling us. go right ahead. caller: i just want to say that i live in a small township outside of tucson, oro valley, arizona, and let me tell you, we've got the world's best police department. this is the best town, and god bless america. host: what makes them the best police department? caller: they are spread thoroughly through the community. they're there when you need them. and they're just passively in the background when times are good. when you need them, let me tell you, they're there for you. we're lower to upper middle class community, about 35,000 people. i think the police department would be a model for every police department in the united states. they are fantastic. host: all right. a few callers mentioned the

protests on campus and the police action there. here is a democratic congresswoman, rashida tlaib, talking about that. >> police pepper spray, brutalize and arrest nonviolent student protesters at george washington university at 3:00 a.m. this is an explicit attempt to prepress students exercising their first amendment rights to protest their university's complicit actions on behalf of israeli government genocide of palestinians. i wanted to be clear. these students' first amendment rights do not end when they enter the campus. it always stays on them ads americans, as people, as human beings here in this country. it is outrageous that police are now entering college campuses across our nation with their guns drawn, targeting students with pepper spray, tear gas, rubber bullets and tasers. shame. host: our question for the next

10 minutes is your view of police in your community. on facebook, joe says we are all onir-name basis in my small town. and carinsays i live in texas, and wlo our law enforcement, our firefighters, and our military. they are our heroes. you have nothing to fear fm law enforcement if you follow thla. if you don't follow theaws, it's their job to arrest you to protect the public. i support law enforcement. going back to the calls, john in north town, pennsylvania. caller: hi, good morning. first time calling. i just wanted to make a comment. a man said january 6, that police officers were killed. there were no police officers killed on january 6. only an unarmed protester was shot and killed by the police on

january 6. and also, i see it's a lot about race. do you have mother statistics on the 1,100 killed by police of who was white, who was black, who was unarmed, how many were unarmed? that seems like it might be important. because cnn and msnbc would like to tell you that the police are out hunting black people. and i think that's wrong. and i'm no fan of the police. that's all i have, thank you. host: so to answer your question, going back to that article on the "washington post," it does have here broken out by race, black americans are killed at a much higher rate than white americans. and here you have six per million per year. this is black, followed by hispanic, white nonhispanic, and then other, and then it says

that although half the people shot and killed by police are white, black americans are shot at a disproportionate rate. they account for roughly 14% of the u.s. population and are killed by police at more than twice the rate of white americans. hispanic americans are also killed by police at a disproportionate rate. this gives you their age. but if you would luke like that, found more information at "the washington post.com." and let's talk to joe next, north plainfield, new jersey. you're on the air. caller: good morning, thank you for taking my call. i've lived in new jersey all my life, except for college, and my experiences with the police have been, for the most part, pretty upsetting. i used to be a child protective worker for my county. and on many occasions in

different communities here in this county, regardless -- i shouldn't say regardless, i would go into police stations to ask for their help to go investigate a child abuse case, and immediately their demeanor would be negative. they would ignore me. they acted like i had invaded their police station. they were short with me. and on those occasions, when i did go out with police officers to situations where they were somewhat decent to me or even nice to me, more than -- i can't tell you how many times the police told me that the people that we were investigating were animals. on top of that, it i've had many occasions where i've been stopped in this county or followed in this county because i was picking someone up in the middle of the night and they traveled me closely to get my license plate number. they stopped me and asked me

questions for simply riding on the street am one time i was dressed up formally in tux, etc., and they asked me, they searched my car. host: based on what? caller: based on the fact that the person who was driving was going 65 in a 50 mile an hour zone. on top of that, here in my own neighborhood, i was walking around the corner one time, and i was pretty upset. i asked somebody who was parked in a car, i could see he had a cell phone, and i wanted to know if he could help me figure out where i wanted to go. i was looking for a particular address. and he said what do you want. and i said, oh, i was just going to ask you if you could look up an address for me, i'm in the middle of an investigation, get away from the car. so i said nothing, i moved away from the car. i was careful to take his license plate.

do you know that i walked around the corner, there were four police officers and four cops that stopped me, made me put my hands on top of the car, searched me, and made me explain what i was doing. and then would not let me go until i told them where i lived. on top of that, i have to say, yes, i'm a 67-year-old black woman, retired black woman, with white hair. explain to me what i did wrong. let me also say that recently i've been dealing with a woman who has a shop around in this area, and her husband was there. i go there for vegetables. i've lived long enough to know, immediately he was rude to me. like i don't want to be bothered by you. he told me later he was a police officer. i can't tell you how many times i have considered the idea that people make a decision about who

i am and what i'm like based on what i look like, and this man is a police officer. so if he treated a 67-year-old woman with white hair that way, how does he treat a young person when he meets them in his job as a police officer? thank you so much. host: and in denver, keith is next. good morning. caller: kind of a heartbreaking story from the caller that i just heard. it kind of tracks with my experience. i'm 64. i'm black. i think the question is a little bit difficult, because it deserves a nuanced answer. one thing is, i think what's so insulting to many black people is we tell america that we have

a certain experience with the police. now, young people believe us, most young people. they've seen it. not only, remember, george floyd wasn't a single incident. there was a slew of incidents, but we just funneled it into that name for convenience, right? there's breonna taylor, there's freddie gray. there's so much. there's a story in a.p., and this happened, when two black men in mississippi, one of them was shot by a cop, shot in the mouth. they have a massive lawsuit. the police department hasn't responded. but police just consider this. -- but please just consider this. this is for all. when you have two populations that have the same cultural

background as americans, but different racial cultural backgrounds, and 90% of one group is saying our experiences with the cops are not like yours, do not have the audacity, the nastiness to say you're a liar. all of you are liars. it's because you do this. no, we keep telling you over and over, we're polite, we know how to approach police. we get to talk. we know how to interact with police. we had a kid here in aurora, colorado, who was killed by cops and paramedics, and he was just walking down the street, and he was special needs. and he wore a hood, and they shot him up with ketamine. that made national headlines.

all he was doing was walking down the street, nothing, got tackled. my run-ins with the police have been good and bad. it depends on the officer. so that concept of immunity for police, trump saying immunity, we could murder someone on fifth avenue. but the experience of black americans, my friends in white america, may not be the same as yours. host: all right, keith, and let's get another call in from gwenn in minnesota. good morning. caller: good morning. i was just calling in because i'm listening to some of the other callers, that lady from washington that said that george floyd took his last breath, and it wasn't the cop's fault. you know, it's amazing. everybody in the country,

everybody around the world watched that man die. derek chauvin's hands. i was here. i watched it. i saw it live. it's unbelievable that people can make all kinds of excuses to justify the criminal aspect. now, i'm not saying that all cops are bad, but i live here in minnesota. in 2016, july of 2016, i watche, casteel, the cat walked the -- he was trapped in the seatbelt on the passenger side, the middle of the summer. this cop put nine bullets into

that man while a nine-year-old girl sat in the backseat of that car and they let that cop go. at some point we have to realize that this can't just continue. the kid just got killed in florida. walked up to the door and shot him. i understand that there is a huge difference in african-american people carrying concealed and carry, the difference in that and white people doing it. a white person can walk down the street with a gun strapped to his hip no problem. host: we are out of time, but there will be more time for you to weigh in on this topic later on in the program. coming up, inside elections' jacob rubashkin discusses key

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senate race was determined on the democratic side. tell us what happens. >> there was a very closely watched democratic primary in maryland. the outgoing senator is not running for reelection. we saw two major democratic candidates, prince georges county executive and western maryland congressman vying for the nomination. what made this race interesting was that truax and spent $62 million of his own money. he is very wealthy on this race. more money than anyone has self-funded in a self primary in american history. alsobrooks spent a fraction on her campaign. when those were tallied she won by 12 points. a stunning result looking at the financial picture. on the republican side former governor there he hogan. he will be there nominee.

he will make maryland, which is traditionally a blue democratic state into a top-tier senate race come the fall. host: let's go back to the primary on the democratic side. why do you think given how much money david truon -- david trone spent why do you think angela alsobrooks was so successful by 12 points? guest: the underlying factor is you can have all the money in the world but if voters are not buying what you're selling it won't get you all the way there. he hit a diminishing marginal return on every additional million dollars he put on tv. everyone knew who he was and who he was about. they didn't want to vote for him. elections are choices. when alsobrooks spun up her operation and voters knew that they had a choice, they felt they would rather go with her.

trone did not close out the race strongly. he had a number of gaffes. he used a racial slurs in a congressional hearing. it was bad news after bad news for him in the final month, that very crucial in of the race. ultimately, it shows in the results. host: you are talking about the senate race now between former republican governor of maryland larry hogan, who was a very popular governor, and angela alsobrooks. you were saying that maryland is very much a -- very much leans democratic. why could this be competitive? guest: because of hogan's popularity. we saw him win two elections and a landslide victory in 2018 that was a good democratic year nationwide. in maryland, hogan was able to

appeal to independents and democrats. if you look at his numbers he is as popular in some cases, maybe not now, but a year ago as popular among democrats as republicans in maryland. has significant support among black voters, which are traditionally democratic constituency. high numbers among independents. he brings a lot to the table. it makes him competitive. it doesn't make him a favorite. even governors who are popular in their own states, when they try to run for senate often they aren't able to seal the deal. host: why is that? guest: voters really do pay attention to the differences between a governors race and a senate race. they understand that a governor is dealing with things internal to the state. they are not executives. they are dealing with the state legislature. that is the power dynamic there.

voters in states that have a particular partisan bent, like maryland, massachusetts, or vermont, appreciate having a governor from the other party to provide some semblance of balance at the state and -- state political level. but the senate matters on a national level of democrats or republicans controlled the senate. the party affiliation of any senator is arguably more important than the party affiliation of a governor. larry hogan is a republican and maryland is a democratic state. even though voters like him, they don't like republicans. they don't want republicans to be in charge of making policy at a national level, and that will be democrats' most compelling argument tom the fall. host: we are focusing on 2024. if you have a question for jacob rubashkin of inside elections,

you can give us a call. the lines are by region this time. sorry, by party. democrats, (202) 748-8000. republicans, (202) 748-8001. independents, (202) 748-8002. you can send us a text, (202) 748-8003. we are on facebook and x. let's talk about west virginia. that has joe manchin, democrat, who has announced his retirement. what are you looking at? guest: this is crucial for the senate because it is by far republicans' best pickup opportunity. the senate is split with 51 cats and 49 republicans. if trump wins the presidency, then all of the republicans need to flip one seat in the senate to reclaim majority. that is 50-50 split with the vice presidential tie-breaking vote.

. joe manchin was the only democrat who could hold a senate seat in west virginia. this is a state that has become so republican that was a miracle that joe manchin was able to win in 2018. host: why was he able to win? guest: it was a really good year for democrats, again, with the trump presidency motivating democratic voters in all corners of the country, even places where democrats haven't shown much strength lately. he had that going for him. he had a weak republican opponent in patrick morsi who is going to now be the next governor of west virginia, but at that time he came out bruised from a primary and didn't have a lot of money. joe manchin was popular. he had a real appeal to former democrats in the state that would never cast a ballot for another democrat except for joe manchin. he was able to win by under three points. i think that he saw the writing on the wall.

that is why he decided not to run for reelection. governor jim justice come the outgoing governor, is going to be the next senator. he won a convincing victory in the republican primary and should have no problem with the general election in the fall. host: zooming out to the senate in general, your recent newsletter had the title, with donald trump leading joe biden in the presidential race, republicans have a great opportunity to win control of the senate in 2024. explain that. guest: the senate is 51 democrats, give or take a few independents who caucus with them, 49 republicans. to get to a majority republicans need to win two seats. they have one in the bag in west virginia. that means that if they win one morsi, flip one more seat, they will have control of the matter who was president. it gets better for them because if donald trump wins the presidency, we know that a 50-50

senate is broken by the vice president. if the vice president is a republican, then a 50-50 senate is a republican senate. right now, if we look at the map as is and remove west virginia from the democratic column to the republican column, that is a 50-50 senate. trump is up in the polls. if the election was today he would have a good shot at winning. democrats are on their heels in the senate. it will be difficult for them to maintain the majority. it is going to be impossible for them to maintain a majority if trump wins the presidency this fall. host: inside elections changed a rating for the arizona senate race. guest: it is not all bad news for democrats in the senate. i know that i sound a little bit negative. it is predominately bad news, but there are a few bright spots. one is arizona. this was a very complex race when independent senator kyrsten

sinema was talking about running for reelection as an independent. it is rare that we see a three-person senate race this day and age. when she got out and became more clear how the race was going to look. the democratic likely nominee, the republican nominee or likely republican nominee, are held -- are headed towards a clash this fall. what we looked at was ruben has some real advantages in this race. he has a tremendous financial advantage. and he has the opportunity to introduce himself to voters in a favorable way. lake has less money and is deeply unpopular after her 2022 gubernatorial run. you combine those factors and you look at the posture of national republicans who are very excited about montana, ohio, and a few other states and don't want to talk about arizona, who aren't as convinced that arizona is going to be competitive and may not put any

money towards helping lake win the race. all of that points to a picture where democrats are slightly favored to hold that seat. host: let's talk to callers. michelle, independent in maryland. caller: hello, can you hear me? host: yes, go ahead. caller: i wanted to talk about maryland politics. it is my pet p flynn maryland is painted as a democratic state. hogan was very popular. maryland had another republican governor in recent years. i can't think of his name, perhaps your guest can. if you look at the counties in maryland, the only strong

democratic counties are pg county, predominantly african-american. montgomery, anne arundel, and howard county. howard and montgomery county are not strong democratic counties. every other county is not democratic. that is why you have the flip-flop. you have hogan, you have the other republican governor who win election in maryland. it is a misnomer that maryland is a strong democratic state, because we have -- pg county is really the strongest. host: have you decided to vote for larry hogan in november? caller: i did vote for larry hogan previously, twice.

in november, as an african-american woman, angela alsobrooks is the first african-american woman that we would send to the senate. so, i will vote for her for that reason. i think i like how she ran our county for the most part. she did bring crime down. it was a very difficult time for her as the county executive in the current political environment we are in trying to run our county. yes, i will support angela alsobrooks. host: jacob? guest: i think that that is a good example of why larry hogan is the underdog in the race. you have voters who voted for him not once but twice in governor races who are not even, at this early juncture, really talking about voting for him in a senate race. he won over a lot of voters who

would not otherwise vote for a republican, because he was running for governor. it is going to be a different dynamic in the senate. the one thing that i will say is montgomery and prince george's, and i would throw in baltimore city as well, make up the bulwark of the population of the state.these are the most populous areas. as a montgomery county native myself, i would be comfortable calling it a solidly democratic county. there is a distinction between governors races and senate races. the other governor the caller was talking about who served from 2002-2006, he lost reelection in 2006 to martin o'malley. larry hogan, these are the exceptions that prove the rule.

it's difficult for a republican to be elected to any statewide office in maryland, let alone a senate race, which hasn't happened in nearly 40 years. host: richard in augusta, georgia. caller: my concern is the democrats in the senate -- winning the senate would be crucial for the democrats have control of the senate in order to get if we need to another new supreme court justice. also, that last time i checked the constitution, it says majority vote rule in voting and the filibuster needs to be eliminated. mitch mcconnell, when he gets the filibuster, he runs with it. the democrats got to give president biden if he wins the election a 50-vote majority in

the senate. that's what we need. so that we can stop this craziness of those nine believers in the 2020 elections -- nonbelievers in the 2020 elections, because it was fair and secure. host: jacob? guest: the senate is very important and voters understand that. the supreme court confirming nominations of any variety, but the supreme court especially, is one of the crucial duties of the senate. it is one thing that they do that the house doesn't get to do, so it's especially important to them. democrats are staring down the barrel of the most conservative supreme court in generations, and one that looks likely to persist for a generation, especially if trump wins the presidency. if trump wins the presidency and has a republican senate, there is ample reason to believe that the older conservative justices on the court, justice clarence

thomas, justice alito, may cause it quits, hang up their robes, and be replaced by a younger justice, in their 40's or 50's, who could conceivably serve for another 30 or 40 years, cementing the 6-3 conservative majority on the court. if democrats are able to win the presidency and hold the senate, i think that there would be tremendous pressure on justice sonya sotomayor, the oldest member of the liberal wing of the court, to step down. there would also be a lot of interest, of course, if either justice thomas or justice alito left the court on a democratic senate. that would be an opportunity for democrats to transform the court and try to claw back a little bit of a territory that they've lost over the last couple of decades. host: you alluded to these races briefly. that is montana and ohio. though senate races. talk about those. you are calling those tossups

? guest: these are the most crucial races on the battlefield, the entire story when it comes to control of the majority. the democrat in montana, sherrod brown, the democrat in ohio, if they win then the democrats have a shot of keeping the senate. if they lose, there is no path. they are running in states that trump carried in 2020. in montana by double digits, ohio by high single digits, and will carry again in 2024. they have to win over trump voters to their side. we have had the 70 odd some senate races concurrent with presidential races over the last two cycles. of those 70, just one has gone the opposite direction of the presidential race. only one senate candidate from the republican party has won while the democrat was winning at the presidential level.

susan collins in maine in 2020. host: how are these tossups? it seems like it's bad for the democrats. guest: they have incumbent strength, jon tester is popular. he has an appeal in montana that has persisted even as the state has become significantly more republican. talk about a purple state, montana used to be a true purple state. in the 18 years since tester was elected, the state has really become a republican stronghold. he is still popular. he has an appeal as a farmer. the way that he looks, the way he talks, it connects with voters. his republican opponent is relatively untested. he is a first-time candidate, navy seal veteran, very wealthy, runs a business, but he has made some stumbles that we see in first-time campaigns. he has given democrats an

opportunity to litigate aspects of his military record, his business record, and perhaps most crucially he is not a montana native. he only moved to the state in the last decade. that is a strategy that tester has used successfully in previous runs, painting his opponents as interlopers or out-of-staters. democrats have a tough challenge there. in ohio, a similar story. sherrod brown is a strong incumbent, a strong fundraiser, an appeal among working-class voters, in eastern ohio that has shifted from democrats over the last decade or so. his opponent, another relatively new political figure, ran for senate last cycle, lost the primary, and is back this time, has some stuff in his background that i think democrats will litigate as well. it is a candidate quality and local issues argument for democrats. republicans want to nationalize both of these races and

democrats want to keep them as small as possible. whoever wins will go a long way in illustrating whether we still can see politician survive off of the strength of their personal brand over the national environment. host: let's talk to marian potomac, maryland. independent. -- mary in potomac, maryland. independent. caller: i am calling to say that everyone working for -- voting for a republican is voting against their best interest. republicans are threatening social security and medicare, which is going to affect millions of people, including us who are seniors and who have been getting social security and dependent upon social security for paying our bills and taxes and everything. also, i can't imagine anybody in their right mind, knowing what trump is like -- trump is only for trump.

nobody is more important than trump. he works only for what is beneficial to him. host: mary, getting back to the senate race, are you going to be voting for mrs. alsobrooks? caller: no, voting for trone. host: you know he lost, right? caller: no, i don't know he lost. host: sorry, mary. angela alsobrooks won and will be going against former governor larry hogan. caller: i used to be a republican and then i moved because i realized republicans do nothing. they don't care for the middle class. all they want to do is endorse everything trump does. by that i mean he wants to give

the biggest tax breaks to the richest. host: let's get a response. guest: maryland has gotten more democratic. i don't think mary is alone in being a former republican who trump turned into someone who will vote in the democratic primary and probably vote for a democrat in the general election. joe biden won a larger victory in maryland that i believe any democratic president since lyndon johnson in 1964 in that landslide victory. he won maryland by as big of a margin as trump won idaho. these are big numbers. it is because maryland, of all states, is uniquely anti-trump and is well-positioned positioned for the emerging democratic coalition. again, not to hammer the point home too much, but larry hogan has an uphill climb in this fight in the fall. host: margaret in wyoming, independent.

good morning. caller: good morning. i do have a question for mr. rubashkin. i would like to know, all right, what is going on in america. the open immigration, the open border, and the heavy, heavy deficits that the united states is incurring under the biden regime. i would like to know if that is having any effect on the voting that is going to take place in maryland, or anywhere else in the country that would be turning away from the ideological agenda of the democratic party more towards the center? that is my question. host: what do you think of those issues? the border, the deficit? guest: we have seen immigration emerged as one of if not the top

issue for republicans this election cycle. 2022 was all about the economy, about cost. 2024, republicans really want it to be about the border and immigration policies. not just in border states, not just arizona and texas, but montana their number one issue against jon tester is the border. ohio, they will talk about the border, fentanyl, drug trafficking. in maryland, which is not a southern border state, larry hogan, when he needed to win votes in the republican primary, because he has some issues with republicans because he is a little more moderate. when he had to win over voters in the republican primary he went to the order and -- went to the border and ran ads talking about securing the border. that is how he was appealing to republicans in maryland. this will be a top issue this fall. republicans will talk about it

nonstop. it is an open question if it will be enough to get them across the finish line. democrats have some issues going for them as well, but absolutely the border conversation is going to be a big ticket item in all of these senate races in a couple of months. host: jacob rubashkin, deputy editor of inside elections. you can find their newsletter at insideelections.com. jacob, thank you for joining us. next, we have maryland democratic representative glenn ivey who will discuss the israel-hamas war, u.s. military aid to israel, and black voters in later, will johnson will discuss national police week. we will be right back.

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and counting, powered by cable. >> washington journal continues. host: will come back. we are joined by representative glenn ivey, a democrat from maryland and a member of the judiciary committee and the homeland security committee. welcome to the program. guest: thanks for having me. host: i want to start with the results from the senate democratic primary yesterday. you endorsed angela also brooks. she won. we want to get your reaction. guest: we thought she would have to get a great chance to win although mr. trump spent over $10,000. she raised what would normally be a good amount of money and had some independent expenditures so she will be able to spend about 10. she ran a strong grassroots campaign.

she established herself as a serious and respected leader. i think that is how she got her victory. the thing that did surprise me was the margin of victory. i think she won by 10 points. i thought it would be two or three. i think it was a tossup race. it ended up being a strong night for her and deservedly so. >> does that bode well for her with her matchup with governor hogan in november? >> i think it bodes extremely well for her. she ran very well against a candidate with a strong campaign and spent an amount of money that i think is record-breaking in maryland. clearly that has been a concern that a lot of money will come to maryland to support governor hogan from republican sources

around the country. that will not be a real concern for miss alsobrooks. mr. trump is a democrat. there is some similarity of his profile with mr. hogans. i think she will be a good contrast from a democratic perspective and the bottom line message is even though hogan was popular as governor, he will have to pay some issues -- faced some issues, abortion at the top of the list. it is front and center now and he will have to speak to it eventually. the other issue that will be really pivotal for maryland democrats who might have switched over to him before, his first but when he gets here is to pick the senate leader and that means it will be, it is not even mitch mcconnell. it will be people further to the right. i think for a lot of democrats

that is a bridge too far. host: i want to turn now to the war in gaza. last week president said he would stop supplying israel with office weapons if they carried through with their full-scale invasion. i don't know if you are aware of the associated rest with this headline from last night saying "biden administration is sending $1 billion more in weapons and ammunition to israel." that is according to congressional aides. i want to ask you about that pause in weapons delivery. do you agree with president biden and your thoughts on that? guest: the way it happened was concerning a public break was problematic in part because it probably sent signals to iran and hamas and other proxies that i don't know the we want to have sent to them. i don't think there was ever a

full break with israel. there really has not been a break at all. the 2000 pompoms wasn't issue -- the 2000 pound bombs was an issue. i think the key part of this now is to figure out if israel is going to move forward with this military offensive in rafah, how to protect civilians whether they have to evacuate women and children, how will they do that, they need to figure that out. the other big issue will be humanitarian aid. i know there have been challenges with respect to getting that to the people who need it. they are either approaching famine conditions or they are there now. i think israel, the united states and other actors like saudi arabia and jordan need to take steps to make sure that we save people and civilians from that sort of scenario. finally, the day after issue. one of the big things that has

blown up in the past few days is there has been a resurgence of hamas in northern gaza. we need to figure out how to move forward in a way that provides a political exit strategy that does not include hamas. we need to make sure the united states, israel, arab allies and qatar and others are helping to figure that out and make sure a two state solution is on the horizon. host: going back to u.s. military aid, should there be any condition on israel for that u.s. military aid? guest: i am agreeing with the track i think that they are on right now. it sounds like they are still working through some things. i think president biden is continuing to send military aid to israel. i would not be for shutting down military aid entirely or anything along those lines.

i don't think defensive military aid has ever been on the table. offensive military aid i still think they need to receive it. regardless of how people feel about what is going on in gaza, israel still has other threats especially from the north, hezbollah and other iranian proxies that they need to defend themselves against. we saw that a few weeks ago where we had to step in with other nations to protect israel from a military assault from the north. i am for making sure they have the ability to defend themselves and to continue to press forward with respect to his hamas. it really needs to be in the context of making sure we do every day we can to protect civilians from the military offensive and from famine. host: and you can call in for our guest representative ivey. he will be with us until 9:00 a.m. eastern. democrats (202) 748-8000. republicans (202) 748-8001.

independents, (202) 748-8002. you can send us a text also at (202) 748-8003. be sure to send your first name and your city, state. congressman, you said if israel follow through on the invasion of rafah, do you think that they will? are you hearing anything in your committee? guest: i don't have any special information on that front. netanyahu has indicated that he wants to go forward. i think there are pros and cons not only from the u.s. perspective but from the israeli perspective too. i am not sure what he will choose to do or how he will go about doing it. we will have to see how it plays out. i hope that whatever they decide to do we continue to make sure we are doing as much as possible to get humanitarian aid to civilians in gaza and also to make sure that the military offensive continues and it looks

like it could continue for some time. we have to do as much as we can to get civilians out of the way of that conflict so there are not any casualties or injuries that do not need to occur. host: congressman, this week the house is set to vote on the israel security assistant support act to permit all approved weapon transfers to israel, that they move forward. i want to read a bit of that r the sake of our viewers. it says tt it prohibits the dition from withholding military aid to israel passed by congress and it requires the prompt delivery of any aid and that any weapons currently being withheld would have to be shipped within 15 days and finally, the bill would restrict funds for the pentagon and state department including the salaries of individual officials until agencies comply.

congressman ivey, your position on that? guest: we will see how it plays out. it sounds like a tournament is overreach by the republican colleagues. i think democratic leadership has expressed concerns about it already. it is important to make sure that traditionally in the united states the president, the executive branch has taken the lead role on foreign policy. i don't see any reason to change that now. president biden has been in tricky terrain but he has done a good job navigating it. it is a piece of legislation, a revolution, messaging thing. it is totally political. it does not really help the cause which is making sure israel can finish the job in the right way there, making sure that we protect civilians from casualties and death and making sure that humanitarian aid gets

ramped up. unfortunately that bill will not do anything to address those for the reasons we just talked about. we need to do things to make sure we are moving this in the right direction which is getting toward a two state solution and making sure that allies like jordan and egypt can continue to work -- and saudi arabia in particular. we will need all of them in the postwar scenario. the marshall plan 2.0 which is what i call it, we will have to rebuild gaza and make sure it is moving in the right direction. we have challenges on the west bank. if we are serious about a two state solution, we need to things -- many things to move forward legislatively in the u.s.. some of it has happened already but the resolution you just read does not do anything to fix those challenges. host: how much of a factor do you think the war in gaza will be in support for president biden in his reelection bid in

november especially among young voters, arab-american voters and other voters of color? guest: it is a big issue apparently in some circles. certainly younger voters, some states and some communities. i think there is a real challenge for president biden and his reelection bid to navigate those two extremes. no matter what he does he will end up losing some voters one way or the other. to his credit, he has managed to move foreign policy in the direction that has been done for the right reasons from a policy basis. we will just have to hope that the politics play out in the right way at the end. i don't think that should be the first consideration in the decisions we make on this front. it needs to be about working toward a bilateral cease-fire so we can stop the fighting over there for as long as possible and as quickly as possible.

getting humanitarian aid to make sure we can avoid famine scenarios and other types of diseases and other issues from wiping out civilians. it is also important to make sure we build a coalition that can help israel and the palestinians and others move toward a viable two state solution when the fighting is over. host: let's talk to callers. first is on the republican line in florida, steve. good morning. caller: good morning. how are you? host: good. caller: i am listening to what he has to say from the state of maryland. i totally disagree with everything. i have seen this two state solution since the 1970's and 1980's they have complained about this. how can you have a two state solution to start with when you have a terrorist state on the other side? another thing is we are giving the palestinians, all i hear is about the pell city and food and aid -- the palestinians food

and. the palestinians elected the hamas government. i have watched it since jimmy carter and nixon. all of the years through. it is a great cliche. president biden is doing a disgusting job. how dare he tell the allies of our country that he will withhold aid? he is a president, not a dictator. it is a quid pro quo and the president should be impeached for saying that. if i were south korea, the philippines, japan, i would be looking at my treaty because you cannot trust this man. yesterday was more disgusting. i watched secretary blinken playing electric guitar over in ukraine. these people are dying. these wars have started because of the nonsense from the democratic party. i am sitting here, it is amazing what is going on. host: let's get the congressman to respond. guest: let's think that through.

i guess gaza in the west bank would be merged back into israel . i don't know if it would continue to be a jewish state under that scenario. if you are worried about hamas in the current circumstances, if you put them all back in one country together, how would it play out then? how would democracy work? how would votes work? israel has had success with integrating voters, palestinian voters in many instances. that is a possibility. israel wants to continue to be a jewish state. i support that cause. i don't know how you can have a one state solution that would work. when you ask people about it, what the path forward there is, you don't really hear much on specifics of how to do it. i think a two state solution is a tough path forward, for sure.

but it's the best chance to make it work out that is viable. india, pakistan, bangladesh might be a variation of how that worked out in the past and maybe could work out here but it has to be a scenario where there has to be some government. by the way, the hamas vote. the last one was 14 years ago. somewhere in that range. we have to make sure we can work with gaza, people in gaza, not just united states but other countries. jordan, egypt, saudi arabia, many of whom do not like hamas either. in fact, one of the reasons they are posing some of the activity is because they are fighting against what hamas and iran is doing indirectly as well. there is a chance we can bring those forces together as what is happening with the abraham accords prior to october 7. i think we can get back on that track if we move this forward in the right way. host: shabeem in virginia,

democrat, good morning. caller: good morning. guest: good morning. caller: my first question is do you believe all things around the world are a coincidence? my second question, why always in countries one by one, yemen, libya, kosovo, albania and somalia, everywhere somebody gets materials for war. is it for war or democracy? guest: i am not sure i caught all of that. i think muslims have the right to live. we work to have that in the united states. that is something we are looking for in the middle east and around the world as well. i think from the standpoint of

what is going on in gaza right now, one of the reasons it is important to evacuate civilians out of gaza before there is a military offensive in rafah is because we want to protect those lives as much as possible and protect them from injuries. i think that is another reason to support the humanitarian aid. it needs to be expanded, wrapped up. to make sure that people whether they are muslim or not do not starve to death or die from disease. it is important for us to support those goals, not just rhetorically but politically and financially. host: speaking of for military aid, as far as american funding that had been paused given the allegations of palestinian members being involved in the october 7 attack, has that been restarted? what is happened with that?

guest: my understanding is there was a report that came out with respect to honor appeared there were 12 or 13 members who had secretly been working with hamas. that was an allegation made by the idf a few months ago. i think it was an investigation that was done. there was a second one underway. the first ones that we do not have credible evidence of that taking place. i don't know if this is true or not but they said the israelis have not provided the evidence to support the allegations that have been made. in any event, all of those individuals have been removed from umrah. there was a vote here in congress to cut off direct u.s. umrah aid to umrah -- to umrah. the challenge was that umrah was providing municipal services to people in gaza and as well as

those in palestine, egypt and other countries. whether it is food, trash removal, the basic things that municipal governments provide on a day-to-day basis here umrah has been providing there. when we cut it off, it created a vacuum. there are other ngos that provide things like food, -- host: world food kitchen. guest: that's right, world food kitchen. they have a lane they are in which is providing food but they did not provide the other services. it is important to make sure

that one way or the other we make sure we get those services provided again in gaza whether it is the west bank, jordan, egypt and other places and make sure we are not undermining efforts to move forward with a positive and peaceful resolution at the end of the day. at the end of this war we will have to find a way to build a country again let her is in gaza. -- whether it is a thousand here -- we will need those services to be provided. no one has filled the gap that umrah at this point. host: jim in pennsylvania, independent. good morning. caller: good morning. i voted for joe biden last time around. it was the biggest mistake i have ever done. i can tell you appear in erie, pennsylvania, the economy is terrible. i used to be able to go to the grocery store with $100 and i could get five bags of groceries. now i can go into the grocery store with $100 and i can get

two bags of groceries. i can tell you another thing that is really on our mind up here in pennsylvania is the open borders and why -- i used to be a democrat, congressman. the democrat party is for open borders. there is no doubt about it. why in heaven's name with any president let 10 million illegals into our country? if you don't believe me, come to erie, pennsylvania and go to any one of our two hospitals here on the weekend and go into the er and you will see that they are overrun. emergency rooms are overrun. our nurses are working double shifts. it is all because they bring illegals here to erie, pennsylvania. the biden administration. it was not the governor down in texas that did that.

it was the federal government. these two problems right here, and another thing, i heard that other gentlemen talking about the war. host: let's stick with those two for the sake of time. guest: i think the border issue which has been very significant. i am on homeland security and judiciary so we deal with both of those committees. i gotta say this. we need a return toward orderly migration at the border. the problem is that we had a bill coming from the senate that was a bipartisan piece of legislation that i wanted to work on here in the house. unfortunately president trump told speaker johnson not to move forward with it. it was not a perfect bill. there were things i liked. there were things i did not like. senator lankford, a very conservative republican from oklahoma was one of the lead players in the bill. he recognized it was that kind

of compromise. that is usually a good sign of a compromise. unfortunately president trump and speaker johnson decided not to allow his to consider the bill and the republicans control that in both committees. i'm hoping we will be able to get to a point where we can put together some kind of legislation to address those issues. also, there is a lot of legislation that has been proposed here in the house but it is the messaging stuff that is not actually fix the issues. one of the challenges we have is personnel and resources. we need more border control agents to command the border and stop illegal crossings. we need more people in the court , the judicial process to make sure it moves quickly. right now we have major backlogs. multiyear backlogs. people come over and in some instances they have to wait 5, 6, seven years for their court date. that encourages people to come.

if we can get more judges to accelerate the process, it will help us to address that problem and decrease the number of people coming. it is a big problem. immigration has been a big challenge for the united states for four decades. we have a chance to do something right now. my republican colleagues in the house are not choosing to pick it up. i am hoping that we can at some point pick up the bipartisan senate bill and try to work on that. what was the first question? host: it was about the economy and the price of groceries. guest: yes. inflation is a real problem. there's no question. gas is higher. it is too hot. groceries are too high. we need to address that. i don't think that is in president biden's lab per se. some of the things we need to do to move those things in the right direction his administration working on. there have been a lot of positive things that have been helpful on that front.

addressing pharmaceutical costs for example. insulin is capped at $35 now and the government will start renegotiating more prescription drugs to reduce those prices. some of the challenges with respect to food prices and the like, some of that is inflation. it is worldwide. we are doing a little better than many of our similar types of countries on the inflation front. it is still too high to address. there is a lot of positive indicators to suggest we are moving in the right direction. the economy has been growing for 50 plus months in a row. unemployment is at an all-time low especially for the african-american community. there are a lot of new jobs that are being created now during the biden administration. i think there are a lot of positive factors. hopefully over time, i hope by the end of the year some of the prices will continue to go down. gas prices have gone down over the past year. we have to make sure we keep

pushing to get those moving in the right direction even faster. host: dave in los angeles -- i'm sorry. las vegas. independent line. caller: hello. when i went into the service they asked me if i'm a communist and they ask you do you plan to overthrow the u.s. government. with trump, if you say yes, you're not getting in. when trump tried to overthrow the u.s. government, the highest law in the constitution where it says if you do that, you cannot run and the republicans did not impeach him. they did the wrong thing. do we have no law now? he was also convicted of rape in civil court. because of the statute of limits , he was convicted of rape and nobody seems to care and the statute of limitations ran out. he should be in prison now.

how many laws can this guy break before he gets convicted of anything? host: all right, dave. last comment, congressman. guest: it has been shocking. i never would have imagined someone like mr. trump and all the things he has done, not only could he get away with them but he would be the republican nominee for president yet again. it is shocking to me. look, the challenge is to make sure not only that he is held accountable in the court system and as you pointed out, with respect to the sexual assault civil case and the fraud civil case as well with his company that is already moving forward, the criminal case and that everyone is hearing about right now is moving forward and there are three others waiting to happen. if you get selected, he will probably make two of those go away. that is a real concern. the larger issue is the election denialism has become a staple in

the republican party, pretending that if you don't win, the election must have been stolen which is totally contrary to everything the united states democracy stands for. all of that stuff is a real damaging development in the republican party. we need two parties. we need a republican party. the party of reagan, i think, has been overtaken by the party of trump. i'm hoping we can move back at the direction where we have people in the republican party who are the dominant force in that party and support democracy, support elections and the peaceful transition of power. host: representative ivey, a democrat of maryland, thanks for joining us. guest: thank you. host:, the international associate chief of police, their fourth vice president will johnson joins us to discuss national police week and their priorities. and later, more calls and comments. we will be right back.

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our mission is to better the profession of policing, to elevate the service of delivery in the communities where serve and create training and public-policy opportunities to strengthen and build public trust in the communities where they serve. host: it is national police week . happy police week to you. it kicks off on monday. this goes back to 1962. how is it celebrated and commemorated? guest: it is a memorial more than anything else. public service is a sacrifice. we strive to create so much good but in the process of doing that , some of the officers serving their communities are killed in the line of duty so it is a way for us to collectively remember their sacrifices for their communities for those who are still presently serving, to honor the memory and also honor

that through excellent service moving forward. the candlelight vigil was this week. later today a memorial on the capital lawn that will be attended by thousands. host: we mentioned earlier in this program that the fbi is reporting that assaults on law enforcement officers in the u.s. have reached a 10 year high as of 2023. why do you think that is? guest: i think there is a lot of societal factors driving that issue. if you look at the highest level , communities are very divisive right now on a variety of issues. certainly in washington, d.c. you see that play out in the political process. that divisiveness leads to improved opportunities for attacks, violent crime, criminal offenses taking place and the perception that those sorts of actions could be justified or righteous in some way. i think that we are wrestling with that as a community in

terms of how do we address that behavior? how do we address the notion that violent is not a solution -- violence is not a solution? host: there's an article here from frontline pbs that says in hundreds of deadly policing counters, officers broke multiple safety guidelines. i wonder, what are those challenges in actual encounters and why is it that there are sometimes policing who do not follow procedure? is it a training problem? guest: i read the article and i want to commend them with the context they provided in the sense that these encounters that they are focusing on our dynamic, complex. the law requires that they be viewed independently and assessed. but most importantly, it is important to remember that less than 0.15% -- 0.25% of any

policing counter with the public results in the use of force. we make about the 900,000 police officers that are serving across this country -- when we think about the 900,000 police officers that are serving across this country, the instances in this article are stored nearly small. within that we still need to strive to improve, have best practices, take lessons learned from any event and constantly improve the delivery of police services and that is what international association of chiefs of police does through policy development and training opportunities. host: we will take your calls for will johnson, the fourth vice president of the international association of chiefs of police. the lines are regional. eastern and central time zones, (202) 748-8000. mountain or pacific, (202) 748-8001.

we have a line for law enforcement, (202) 748-8002. you can also reach us via text and on social media. i want to show you something from the marshall project. this is the headline that says they do not have guns but they are responding to more 911 calls. a new generation of first responders is handling mental health calls and other emergencies in cities across the u.s.. wanting to get your reaction to mental health crises and the ability of police officers to respond to those. guest: i appreciate this question. this is one of the most important topics we are facing in communities. the first thing we have to recognize is the mental health system needs assistance. it is not serving all of the aspects and the needs within the community because when people think that 911 and police officer for someone in mental distress is the only solution

available as a community, we have failed. constantly looking at how do we improve the delivery of medical services in community. how do we improve psychiatric care? how do we provide access because in many communities the closest access that they have for psychiatric services may be hours away particularly in rural jurisdictions. the police should not be viewed as the first solution to this problem. many times, we are the only aspect of government that still makes house calls and people call 911 in crisis, they need help. having an effectively trained officer to understand the complexities of what they are dealing with and the behavior may not be exactly what is manifesting in person is key to success. host: i want to ask you about recruiting and retention of officers because the department of justice put out a report calling it an historic crisis in

finding and keeping officers. what's behind it? guest: they are not wrong. we are experiencing extraordinary headwinds in terms of being able to recruit and retain people that want to serve as police officers in communities. this creates an entire cyclical problem where when we don't have enough officers to meet the needs, then you have needs in the community that go unmet and often times within our system of police delivery, we focus on violent crime and then you have property crimes or public disorder or livability crimes that go unmet because they are not enough officers. as a resident in your community you are far more likely to be impacted by a disorder crime or a property crime or a theft or dealing with the inflation that is caused because of organized retail theft or organized cargo theft impacting communities all across the u.s. because we

simply don't have enough officers to meet the need. host: we have people waiting to talk to you. i just wanted to ask you first about the campus protest and to lease -- and police department and how appropriate that is in response to let's assume peaceful protests. guest: that is the starting point. we have a fundamental guaranteed right in the notice date -- in the united states of freedom of simply and freedom of speech. we can never assume it is always peaceful as officers. one of the most concerning statements that is publicly reported especially in the media is whatever they say, it is mostly peaceful. that mostly is really where police officers operate because those are the intersections where they have to respond, they have to address those agitators. in seducing a republic, the rights of an -- in our concert to snow republic, the rights of

an individual or greater than the rights of the mob. students who are trying to attend classes, take finals and graduate, they have rights too and how police are making sure to balance the approach so that all people's rights are protected is really important. host: let's take a call from tom in tampa, florida. good morning. caller: good morning. good morning chief johnson. appreciate all the work you do. the reason for my call is i was on the second earlier about law enforcement in the community. i tuned in midway through that segment. i was getting somewhat livid at some of the callers that were calling because they were talking about police in the community. they were talking about how they hate the police and everything

wrong about officers. why i was livid was simply because of the fact that i will throw four names out there. u.s. marshall tommy weeks, officer sam poloche, officer elliott and officer josh wire. those four officers were killed in charlotte, north carolina. one of them was my son. my son was like every other officer. he was a husband. he was a father. now his wife is a widow and his children are left without their father who was very important in their lives. how can anybody hate my son? my son was what everybody in the united states is, father and

spouse. i'm sorry, i like what you do, chief. what you are trying to do is make sure we have enough law and order and if it is important in this country, the police must be supported. they go to work every not knowing if they will come home. they do that every day and they don't even talk about it. even though the risk is there, they don't talk about it because they are doing the job they want to do because they want to protect and serve. my son was always a servant, even when he was a teenager. he just loved people. he was a man for others all the time. i think most the people in this country are supportive of law enforcement because when they got information from the medical examiner, the interstate was

lined with people. there were six or seven people with love and support for what these gentlemen did that day. they keep the community safe. host: so sorry for your loss. this is the article on the associated press. four officers killed in north carolina red disadvantage as shots range from above according to police. guest: the first thing i want to say is a heartfelt thank you for his service. when we talk about national police week and the challenges, examples like this resonate within communities. not just policing communities but within communities. i cannot imagine losing a child but i have lost officers under my command. thank you for his service. we mourn for him right now.

he stood as a police officer for the rights of all people including those that disagree with us. although it is personally because behind uniform is a person, it is personally distasteful what people characterize individuals because of the profession we have chosen. i accepted that whenever i entered into the profession and i know that this caller's sunday too -- son did too. it is all about how we make community stronger in a constitutional way and protect victims. in the charlotte case there are many concerns about that incident that international association of chiefs of police has. we talk about recidivism, access to weapons the people who were felons, the violent nature of being able to arrest individuals who are absconding from the law and the challenges that they

have in executing those warrants sometimes it's oversimplified whenever it is being reported either in this case where a tragedy for the law enforcement community habit or in instances where people may not understand police tactics or have questions about police behavior. it is difficult to have those conversations because of the complexities and emotions around the topic at the time. host: let's talk to anne in massachusetts. caller: thank you for taking my call. i was able to get through this morning and i am grateful because i have been going through a huge problem here in rockport. it is a small community. 5000 or 6000 people. i have been harassed by a gentleman next door for the past six years. i tried to have an audience with the chief of police a couple of years ago when one of the officers was working on a case

and wrote up one of my complaints to make it look as though i was the aggressor and not the victim. he refused to meet with me. i have had multiple different charges. i have called the police department over 100 times. the only help they give me is by constantly telling me that i need to go to the court. next door, my husband is a vietnam veteran. i am 75. he is 78. my husband has been spent at -- spit at. the man is now stalking me. he follows me around the yard. he swears, f you. cause me all kinds of names. host: is he mentally ill? caller: i seem to think he is. two weeks ago we had a huge

problem here on a friday. i had to have the police to my house three times. the next night, his sister, he lives with his sister. the sister is 66 and this tournament is 78 -- just gentleman is 78. a number of people have said the same thing. we think he is also abusing her. that is my problem. unless she speaks up, but i am speaking up and i am not getting any results from the police chief. in our community we don't have any crime. the only thing they do is they stop cars and give them a slap on the hand for speeding. host: let's get a response. guest: i think your first question was a great reflection of the challenges that are out there. first i will tell you to continue to engage with your local police department in expressing your concerns. i know that through that

dialogue, a solution will be adverted -- efforted to rectify it. we don't have all the details. we have a limited set of case facts. the intersection between criminal behavior, civil infractions and just poor manners all collide whenever you start talking about neighborhood dispute. is there mental illnesses? is there just a personality disorder in terms of incompatibility? in the united states it is not illegal to be rude. sometimes police are really at the intersection of all of those different data points in terms of how they try to protect the rights for all involved because i'm quite sure that the neighbor, if we had him on this episode, would give us a different set of facts. the police have to wade through

that, reconcile it with the law and move forward with the most appropriate constitutional solution. host: we have a text for you says he wants to know abouto th wall of silence. ce call bring up -- police covering up actions in police corruption. specifically relating to the county district attorney coverups. guest: i don't have any facts about the specific examples but i can address the whole concept of silence or the potential for police misconduct or police corruption. it absolutely has to be unrooted and aggressively addressed. it does not matter whether you are in policing, whether you are a wall street banker or a prosecutor or an attorney. every profession has that is a

potential risk. this is where the building trust campaign for iacp is so important. one of the key pillars in that campaign is leadership and culture. as a police executive, whether you are the chief, a command officer or first-line supervisor, what are you doing to build a culture of honor, integrity and constitutional policing so that we can continuously address the potential for misconduct and prevent it from happening in the first place. host: here is larry in springfield, ohio. caller: hello. i glad you could take my call. thank you. 89 years old. i have been around a while. i have seen a lot of different police department. there was a very good friend of mine who was a county sheriff. i have had a lot of dealings with different people.

the biggest problem right now is not the police. the police do their job and do it quite well i think. as far as retention, i don't blame them. because of the prosecutors and judges turned them right back again. it is hard to do a job when you don't get any backing. those are my comments. host: also, janet in florida, says violencagnst police has increased because violence by the police against the people has increased. do you agree? guest: i do not agree to that last statement, which is not to say that i am not attuned to cases that might be driving that perception or driving that feeling. violence as a response to perceived violence directed unlawfully is not a solution. we are a nation of laws. we are a nation of due process and rights. we are a nation where engagement

and participation in the government's process is key, not violence. if we talk about the first caller's comments about extending the scope of accountability for the entire criminal justice system, that is a key priority for iacp. we always start with ourselves and how we can improve, how we can deliver services better, how can we constantly address areas where we are not as effective as we should be and want to do more. we are only one segment of the entire criminal justice system. prosecutors, judges, probation, parole, recidivism, the mental health community that we already talked about, each of those has equal responsibility in the overall criminal justice system and arguably less accountability

in the public dialogue about improving the system for the communities that we serve. we think we can improve in that area. host: we have a posting on x from annette who says wreoes the police get all the people show up inombat gear to show up to protesters? who calls all these people to show up in huge numbers? why do police stand around and do nothing when one group is beating another group of protesters? i think that last comment she is referring to the ucla situation where there were counter protesters and reports that the police stood by for three hours. guest: before we get into that point, i want to frame the language around it because it is really important. they are not in combat gear. we have to be clear with that. just like with many professions, they have personal protective equipment because we are asking human beings to be in a place that is inherently dangerous

based on all of the facts that you just described in terms of what took place at ucla. when you have crowd dynamics and the mob mentality, there is some psychology around what the mob mentality can produce where people who may not normally act a certain way based on environmental conditions with other protesters in proximity change that behavior. the police officers have to be protected as they are trying to respond to keep the peace. that is the police's role in that moment, to protect the police. clearly the events of ucla are concerning. there is a lot of questions that the policing profession have and the community has. i think we have to allow that conversation and the facts to continue to come in and play out so we can make important decisions about how do we reduce the opportunity for this happening in the future. host: let's talk to robert in ohio.

good morning. caller: good morning. chief johnson, why is it that there are so many shootings when it comes to minority versus the white population? is there anything with all the new technology, with the cameras and some of the lethal weaponry that the police department can use? also, i have a problem with all of these congressmen, senators in all of these different states making it illegal to carry guns and open carry. to me, it poses more problems than it really solves. host: you mean it is legal for

off-duty and former officers to carry concealed. guest: what i think he was referencing was general populations and the presence of weapons and whether or not states are allowing open carry or not. there is a mixed opinion with that. that is part of the constitutional governing process. i would say our elected officials are engaging in that dialogue and trying to represent their communities to the best of their ability based on what their stakeholders are telling them. certainly, there are things that make policing challenging and there are things that are just fundamental facts and rights. we have to be able to deliver those services in those conditions regardless of what the political opinion is on the topic. host: this is what i was talking about which is a law to expand concealed carry for qualified

law enforcement officers. it says that this act introduced by representative dunn bacon of nebraska would allow qualified officers to carry concealed firearms in areas such as school zones, national parks, federal facilities open to the public, state and local private property open to the public. the bill would expand those abilities to off-duty and retired law enforcement i just wonder about your association. you support certain legislation, do you lobby congress? guest: what you are referencing is the act that is already law in the united states. extends the right for police officers to have reciprocity in other states in terms of the powers that are created. the reference is an expansion of that into certain areas that i want to make the point that it

is already legal. when we talk about what does that represent, we have police officers to police communities every single day. that protection and the requirement in the evaluation of their performance and behavior, whether they are on duty or off duty is always subject to public review. not allow police officers to have the weapon they normally have in their communities available in their private life as well. host: the last call is debbie in williamsburg, ohio. caller: i highly respect you. i am a mother of someone in the austin police department. i have seen everything deteriorate as far as our laws protecting our police when they are on duty. our guys get out of there and they are there to protect us.

there are people violating the rights. they have no mistake -- the laws are adjusted so they go out because they're not enough room in the jails for all of this stuff. that is why there are so many drugs. as far as the shooting deaths that is probably drug-related. we have too many rights for the criminals instead of too many rights for the people. that needs to be revised. you cannot expect our police to go out there and risk their lives if they are not going to be taken care of. what is the use of bringing someone in if they will be back out in 24 hours? guest: she brings up a very

important point about the national drug policy. there are a lot of different perspectives on that topic. certainly a lot of different opinions. we would say this. the lack of a national approach -- a uniform drug policy creates challenges and problems with the execution of the public will on that topic. you have to ask yourself this question. a 21-year-old police officer working midnight shift with little to no supervision by themselves, have we as a society given them good guidance on what we expect them to do in any situation? when it comes to a national drug policy and the conflicting patchwork of laws across each different state creates a challenge for police officers to understand what we in the community expect them to do. host: will johnson, former police chief of arlington texas from 2013 to 2030 and vice

president of the international association of chiefs of police. thank you so much for joining us. guest: thank you. host: up next, open forum. more of your calls and comments. democrats (202) 748-8000, republicans, (202) 748-8001, independents. (202) 748-8002. as you're dialing in you can look at this moment from yesterday. anthony blinken joined a ukrainian band in playing neil young's rocking in the free world. here is. >> i know this is a difficult time. you are soldiers, your citizens, particularly in the northeast are suffering tremendously. you need to know the united states is with you. so much of the world is with

you. they are fighting, not just for ukraine but for the free world. the free world is with you, too. maybe we can try something? i don't know if we can pull this off. ♪

>> ♪ e bond rock in -- keep on r ockin in the free world ♪ >> "washington journal" continues. host: it is open forum taking

your calls on anything public affairs or politics related. democrats (202) 748-8000, republicans (202) 748-8001, independents (202) 748-8002. before we get to calls here is thehill.com with the news biden proposes two debates with trump in june and september. president biden's campaign proposed two debates with former president trump, bucking the commission on presidential debates and potentially setting the stage for a face-off as soon as next month. the biden campaign call for the first debate to take place next june after biden returns from the group of seven summit in europe and after trump's hush money trial in new york will likely have concluded. the campaign suggested a second debate in september ahead of the start of early voting in many states as well as vice

presidential debates in late july after the republican national convention. "as donald trump said he will debate anytime anywhere, we hope both campaigns will quickly accept a broadcast media debate invitation on the parameters above. americans need a debate on the issues, not a debate about debates." we have a video tweet by president joe biden. here it is. >> donald trump lost two debates with me in 2020. now he is acting like he wants to debate me again. make my day. i will even do it twice. let's pick the dates. i hear you are free on wednesdays. host: president biden on x saying he hears the former president is free on wednesdays. lexington, kentucky, you are

first. caller: thanks for taking my call. you had a democratic congressman on earlier today saying president trump was convicted of rape. host: he said sexual assault. caller: he said rape. host: the caller said rape. caller: i heard him say out of his own mouth that president trump was convicted of rape. host: that is incorrect. it should be sexual assault. bruce? anything else? caller: have the truth on here, please. host: nancy in florida. good morning. caller: i comment on the police?

host: go right ahead. caller: when i was in my early 20's i was driving under the influence on the freeway and i was given a sobriety test and i failed. i was put in the front of the police car and he handcuffed me in the front and i decided to take my hands out of the handcuffs and light up a cigarette. i was so disrespectful. i said you are treating me like a criminal and he said you do not understand that police can be injured in these situations. i've always remembered that. just so disrespectful. over the years i have realized how arrogant i was. host: donna in orlando, florida.

democrat. the morning. caller: good morning. thank you for c-span. i have two comments. i want to bring up the issue of the supreme court and how i have been so respectful of them for all my life. i am 76 years old. i am so disappointed in the absolute lack of integrity and corruption in the absurdity of how they behave in front of the american people and i hope the american people are paying attention. the other thing i want to bring up. the embarrassing behavior of the republicans, that they are showing up to defy the gag order placed on former president trump. my hope is the american people

are paying attention, my hope is on voters. that is the only chance we have. everyone must vote and you must vote for democracy. thank you for c-span. host: this is on the front page of the new york times. this is a picture outside of the courtroom. you can see mr. trump in the foreground. behind him is mike johnson, here is the governor of north dakota burgum who is said to be a vice presidential in the running for the slot with mr. trump. there is vivek ramaswamy behind him. joe in leonard town, maryland. independent. caller: good morning to everyone. i have been washington, d.c. my whole life.

we had soldiers on our patio during the mlk riots and so forth. my brothers tell me about that. a long time in washington, d.c. i love washington with my whole heart and soul. i grew up in prince georges county a lot. then i moved to calvert county and now st. mary's county. it is all washington, d.c.. i am an hour from washington. it is just washington. i love it. i want to say our system is out of whack. everybody is fighting each other and having a hard time. everybody probably means well. probably biden means well. trump even means well. i do not want to speculate what

they mean or do not mean. mr. biden and mr. trump -- both use the same attorney. that is not important to a lot of people but it is a fact. here is last thing i will say. there is a call between larry mcdonald. you can look that guy up. he said a couple of things before he died. look up ron paul talking about larry mcdonald. the last thing, can i say something for myself? i have lived here for 54 years and i am tired of the craziness. me and my friends got along. my friends were black, white, mexican, chinese. we had it figured out. i do know how it went south, i don't know people make money. it is insanity at its worst. i am tired of it. i am willing to stand up and try to peacefully fix it.

we cannot fight the people we do not agree with. have sympathy if nothing else. i pray for all and i hope we get this figured out. host: i wanted to share with you the response from president biden's tweet from donald trump. he posted this untruth social and said "crook joe biden is the worst debater i've ever faced. he cannot put two sentences together. crooked is the worst president of the united states by far. it is time for a debate so he could explain his open border policy, ev mandates, the allowance of crushing inflation and high taxes and his weak foreign policy, which is allowing the world to catch on fire. i am ready and willing to debate crooked joe at the two proposed times in june and september.

i would strongly recommend and more than two debates and for excitement purposes a large venue, although biden is supposedly afraid of crowds. that is only because he does not get them. just tell me when and i will be there. let's get ready to rumble." ronnie is in manhattan. democrat. good morning. caller: good morning, mimi. welcome. it has been a good morning. kudos to the last call from maryland and also the call from florida. they were spot on. i am calling out the topic from this morning. i have to say i am african-american and i grew up in a small white down out west. -- a small white town out west.

my first interaction with the cop was a marching band for young people and i got to tour all over the place and see this country. now i live in manhattan and i am about to start working for the nypd. my interactions with the nypd are very positive in my community. i go to the meetings, i know what is going on. host: when you say you are about to work for them, in what capacity? caller: it is called a communications technician. the vetting process response was insane. today is my last physical and then i start at the academy.

i interactions with the local people at the precinct being involved in the community, knowing what is going on. i think a lot of people who are calling up, they should do that. join your local police department. go to the community meetings because they have them. the young people, go to your police athletic leaks. they have to be involved. that is how you have to make change. on donald trump, on that one caller a minor this is off topic , technically donald trump did

assault e. jean carol. the court system you have to go through people and they pick people from the local neighborhoods and they go through and it is a jury of their peers. it is not a banana republic thing. host: let's go to the republican line in michigan. christine. good morning. caller: thank you for taking my call. i would -- i wanted to talk to the officer that was on because 30 years ago in oklahoma i was abused by officers and i was involved in a terrible accident and that is why i came here to michigan. i've been here since 1994. the officers are wonderful people. i have a granddaughter that has

problems like me and she has been on the streets for 10 years. all of the officers are so wonderful, taking care of her and they are such a blessing. i wish people would quit thinking so highly of themselves that they would control their behavior and quit being in everyone's business and just pray for one another. we could have such a wonderful world. host: christine. mike in rockford, illinois. independent line. good morning. caller: two points. where there is smoke there might be fire.

both presidential candidates are just accused of espionage. one of them was just handed the rnc. whatever secrets are being sold as we speak. the point i wanted to make about the rnc and trump, the reason why his cases are being swept under the rug because he is willing -- herschel walker? could he be the great orange rind of the democrats want. that is one point. where there is smoke there is fire. these demonstrators on the college campuses. could it be the oligarchs want the military presence and not the demonstrators and they were just a front? if so they got what they wanted. that is the second point where there is smoke there might be fire. the third point is the budget hearings i've been watching on c-span. god bless c-span.

the bureau of land management selling our property for mining and whatnot. that is huge. also the new rules where they announced 5g were only for the corporations and not the taxpayers who paid for it. thank you. host: silver in nevada, line for democrats. go right ahead. caller: i would like to talk about the problems we are having. i have gotten a bumper sticker that i put on the back of my pickup that says how do you tell if a republican is lying? his mouth moves. not one person has come up and talk to me about that.

host: nevada is considered a swing state. what are you hearing from your neighbors? caller: the neighbors i have are disappointed in the republican party. i am disappointed. i used to be a republican but i cannot vote for people that have a nazi ideology. they are acting like a bunch of nazis. host: in what way? caller: they are trying to mess with the votes. i don't see why these people want to do this. host: move on to marry in florida. republican. hi, mary. caller: i just want to say one

thing about the person that just called from nevada. i also have a bumper sticker that says pray for america. in the past three years what this president has done was defy everything america stands for. he turns his back when it comes to china. he is allowing them to buy property in our country. he looks the other way when a spy balloon goes over the whole country and then decides to shoot it down in south carolina. as far as president trump, i voted for him twice and i will vote for him a third time. i am originally from new jersey. i saw that rally this past saturday. over 100,000 people. that man did nothing wrong. blame hillary clinton and blame

the democrats behind her for what they did to his term. he has done nothing wrong. he has been in court every day and like our president we have right now just said he will debate him. he hears that he is off on wednesdays. president biden cannot do anything without his administration and he is insane in my opinion. they worry about the ukrainian border but not our own border. we have terrorists coming into our country from iran, from afghanistan, from china. from everywhere. he does absolutely nothing. nothing.

the people that live in this country are broke. completely broke. he is giving those people free everything from cell phones to medical help. free housing. free hotels in new york where i used to work. beautiful who tells. -- beautiful hotels. they are destroying them. they destroyed new york. i cannot believe what this administration has done to this country. host: numbers have just come up. this is cnbc. cpi report shows inflation easing in april with consumer prices still rising 3.4% from a year ago. it says that the report showed an increase of .3% from march.

the labor department bureau of labor statistics reported today. inflation eased in april, providing some relief for consumers and on a 12 month basis the cpi -- the consumer price index, increased 3.4% in line with inflation. core inflation was at 3.6%, the lowest reading ex food and energy since april 2021. carl is calling us from west virginia. you are on open forum. caller: this is carl from west virginia. i want to make this point about law enforcement. 40% of white people in this country are scared of black folks because they do not know them. that is why we have these problems on the police force. i know white families that do not know black people, that do

not know them. some of them have grown up and i've known them for years now their sons want to become a police officer. this is the problem in america. we have police officers who are scared of people. i do not think -- i think we have to think this thing over when we hire these guys. it is unbelievable. when i moved out here i cannot believe it. i cannot believe there are white folks in this country that do not know black people, that do not want to know them. that is the problem. that's it. host: riverside, california. line for democrats. good morning. caller: how are you doing? just real quick. the lady calling from florida. this is the problem. i know she said we will pray for america.

when she said there were hundred thousand people that showed up in jersey, that is incorrect. there was a bipartisan bill on the border written by a republican senator for the most part and trump told him not to sign on to that. get your facts together. your hair is slamming together. you look good. have a wonderful day. host: lloyd in iowa. caller: c-span, this business in israel -- you can see it coming a mile away. we will have u.s. troops that will be attacked as the uss liberty was. then the israelis will deny it. i want to recommend a book "the assault on liberty" that details

the assault on that ship. that attack went on for hours. that was not just a buzz bye and then an attack and then they leave. 34 u.s. navy sailors were killed in that attack. we can see this coming in mile away. this world central kitchen commented and they have three vehicles that were hit two minutes apart? that was a deliberate attack. one other thing. if they try to say this is antisemitism, that is impossible. some of those guys that were killed were jewish guys. thank you very much. host: that does it for us today. we will be back tomorrow morning at 7:00 eastern on c-span. we are also on c-span.org. have a great day and enjoy your wednesday. [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2024] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org]