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>> hello, everyone. i'm dana perino along with judge jeanine pirro, jesse watters, and greg gutfeld. it's 5:00 in new york city and this is "the five." the debate over the debate somehow it is back. the trump and harris campaigns are clashing. including whether the microphones will be muted. team kamala wants them hot so they can catch tromped losing his cool on the microphone. team trump wants to keep them muted as it was during the debate with biden. kamala harris is attacking trump for wanting to stick to the rules after her campaign bashed him as a coward for wanting the same rules to change back when trump floated a schedule. the former president seem to be, like, that's cool. i'm fine. watch this. >> they want to make a change in the rules because she can answer questions. we agreed to the same rules. i would rather have -- the agreement was that it would be

the same. as i was last time. in that case, it was muted. i didn't like at the last time, but it worked out fine. not spending a lot of time on it. my whole life i've been prepared for debate. >> with this result, everything is set for september 10th. but it is not just the microphones. trump is accusing the debate host of political bias after this interview between republican senator tom cotton tom cotton and abc reporter jonathan karl. >> when you mean taking away health insurance? >> she said when she ran for president she wants to eliminate private health insurance on the job. >> that is not our position now. >> how do you know that is not our position? she has not said that. she has not said that. >> may be anonymous aides on friday night have said that. >> i thought tom cotton did a great job. ready to go. judge, in a negotiation when you

have a deal and let's say a new party comes in, and they accept that deal. i don't think it is right to try to change the rules. from a negotiation standpoint, what do you think the trump team should do? >> i think the trump team is already done what they need to do. you can have the mute mic on or off. i don't care. i will do it anywhere. it's interesting. i'm not sure in terms of contractual things whether it's in the name of the democratic party or the brandon harris campaign where he has resumed their principal for her as the agent. i'm not gonna go into that right now. thank you. i have to tell you something. what is very interesting to me about this whole thing is, i think she wants the mute button off. if you will recall, one of the most viral moments that we remember from one of her rallies was when she said, i am speaking. and i think she really wants to have the ability to say that again.

and to stop trump and say "i'm speaking." >> the palestinian protesters. >> i also think the fact that the mainstream media is covering for kamala and for her inability to come out and make statements about when she is standing for does a disservice not only to the media, but it also does a disservice to the independents. independents who are looking for policy recommendations from kamala. on the one hand, they say they love kamala. she is all about joy and everything else. there is not peace in the middle. we want to know what you stand for before you actually think we are going to vote for you. i also think there is another piece that is no confidence. i don't think kamala harris has confidence in herself. she talked about price gauging -- i have never heard that word before. she got panned on her economic policy from the left on the right. i think that she doesn't have the ability and the confidence

that we saw she lacked during the 3.5 years when she was the vice president. and finally, i think -- i don't think she can multitask. i think she is spending all of our time getting ready for the debate. she is doing nothing else. that is why she very much wants to do this. at the same time, i think she is frightened as well. >> we are waiting for this big interview that's going to happen before the end of the month. >> first of all, good to be back around this table. i have said before, she has to do interviews and has to do debates. i agree 100% with what the judge has said. i'm going to add onto it. the pettiness from both of these campaigns about microphones being on or off, i remind them both, you are running for the privilege of serving us in the united states. when campaigns get together, this is not some new phenomenon. you're not the only candidates

we have had. candidates teams get to gather and on three debates. they bicker on who is going to get to do it within networks. it's a little different. we deserve to hear you talk about national security, economic growth, people's anxieties and aspirations, education, reproductive rights. all the things you want to talk about. you should be able to stand by side by side it three times. the fact that we are talking about one is an embarrassment and affront to the system and the people. finally, get with it. we deserve it. we deserve better. when the judge and i can agree on a monday afternoon 100%, something is really wrong. or something could be right. and we can have a great week. >> harold just told them to get it together. >> i like what harold said about that, but i disagree on one thing. i like the pettiness. [laughter] >> am not surprised. we won the presidential commission on debates was

boring. now we got rid of it. now both of these people have to negotiate the debate. and so, we talk about bathroom breaks and drug testing. this kind of shows how a president would negotiate for a country. the "arc of a deal" of the things they care about and don't care about and you see who has a little savvy. she doesn't have it. she is wholly committed to one debate. she is scared of it. missy jr. just texted me. "please tell greg, i want my shirt back." [laughter] >> please tell jesse jr. not to put band-aids on your hand. >> i think that is a girl on paw patrol. she says she wants to sit down. she says she wants microphones on muted and she wants notes. she wants to do everything differently than joe biden did. she wants to be interrupted. she wants trump to interrupt her, because it never looks good

when a man argues with a woman and interrupts a woman as i have been told many times when jessica is at the table. and i try not to. she will snap back like the judge said and have a moment. why does she need notes? debate prep is probably not going very well if your team is at the last second asking for notes. she hasn't been challenged. on this debate stage, she has to defend the biden record and say what she will do differently. she has to defend her own record and say what her new vision is whatever that is, we don't know. and then, she has to defend her role in the coup and the cover-up. and then she has to somehow attack donald trump on the economy, immigration, foreign policy, and crime. all areas filed by every metric, he has a much better record on. she has to do it with joy -- which is very difficult.

>> you remember in 2012, we were watching the debate to gather. helped obama against romney. you saw jonathan and carl, his instinct was to say that isn't kamala harris' position anymore and senator tom cotton hit that oone out of the park saying how do you know that? it's true that we don't know. >> i'm glad you brought that out. that is a lovely top. that's how you do it, jesse. how do you debate someone who is agreeing with every one of your policies. it's like playing tennis with the opponent on the same side. that is what kamala is with trump. how is he wrong on immigration? he has been proving right. crime is on the right side. she is in they have to agree with them. they are going to have to catch trump. they are going to have to bring up hoaxes and mean tweets and all that stuff. to your point -- which i hate saying. i'm not complaining about media

bias really matters at this point. that should concern the media. when people accept you as unreliable, corrupt garbage, that is bad. it's like being in a relationship. you know this. it's not fun when a spouse is upset with you. it's worse when they no longer care enough to be angry. that is how america is with the media. they are not even taking this seriously anymore. they learned that this is fake. they understand that what they are doing is manufactured for a specific end. to that end, it's kind of scary watching how this election unfolds. it is exactly how the media wants it to. what does their business model need? a really tight razor-thin race. what was that not like a month ago? it wasn't tight. it was a big gap between trump

and biden. all of a sudden, harris comes in and miraculously, no interviews and pressers and policy positions. razor tight and going right down to the wire. the media is a pharmaceutical company. they need you on maintenance therapy. you can only do that if you convince them there is a reason to turn in. a tight race, that keeps them in business. they are like a drug. you wonder why in a population of 400 million at this point, it always comes down to this margin of 300,000 votes in key states. it is so evenly split in the united states. even when most of america is ticked off about food prices, illegal immigration and crime, they don't like the past 4 years. it is still razor-thin. that defies logic. it defies your senses. it shouldn't be right down the middle. 80% of america should say we want something different. that's why i thought there was

going to be a red way. [laughter] speed when you're right. the irony is if we did it that way you are thinking about doing this. a popular vote. democrats would have won back in 2000, 2016. i like the electoral college. i am a minority of 4 people in the democratic party like it. it enables what you are talking against. if not, democrats would win every time. >> did you see how he did that? >> i'm going to get my one too. >> is good to be back around the table. i'm next, president trump honoring the hero's skill. three years ago today and not letting kamala harris off the hook over the chaotic pull out. what can i do to make a better cotton crop?

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♪ ♪ >> joe biden spends this week at a beach in delaware. with harris nowhere to be seen today honoring the 13 hero skill during the biden administration's botched afghanistan withdrawal three years ago today. trump going to detroit and hammering kamala's role in the chaos. >> caused by kamala harris, joe biden, the humiliation in afghanistan and sent off the collapse of american credibility and respect all around the wo world. every crisis, kamala and biden have created on the world stage

can turn around very quickly. we are going to turn it around. we need strong leadership. we will get the resignations of every single senior official who touched the afghanistan calamity to be on my desk on noon on inauguration day. >> it has been three years since kamala boasted about being "the last person in the room" when joe biden decided to go ahead with the afghanistan withdrawal. people consider you to be the last person in the room. that is because everyone keeps trying to ditch you. they just left. >> you understand the reference. she was somehow involved in the decision. and it was her wise guidance that he was relying upon. she was the last in the room in afghanistan. she was the deciding vote on trillions of inflationary spending. on those three most popular joe biden items, she is

basically like a conjoined twin. you cannot separate the two. let's talk about foreign policy. what is our foreign policy? this is where the president has his most impact. a lot of room to maneuver. we don't know what she believes. she's going to get paralyzed the situation room. >> jesse watters. i don't like that. take it back. >> control her. not in a way. you having f-16s sent over to ukraine. ukraine is actually invading russia. you are going to have her as commander in chief. that is nuts. trump lays the reef today and decides the emotional impact that had and how sad the whole thing was. politically, it was brilliant. harris and biden took the day off. he reminds everyone what happened. it was a very presidential look. it shifted the momentum.

that and the rfk event on friday completely away from harris after her convention. >> it is a good point. joe is on vacation again. harris is distancing herself from the white house or campaigning. from the 1,009, who is running this country? >> i wish i had the answer. we all think of that same person who has installed many of his former aides in the biden administration. this is what happened with joe biden when he ran for office. he was not moderate. he was in that trojan horse and backs up into the white house and all the progressives that you can even recognize for who they are go running into the white house. this is the one area where you truly cannot separate kamala harris from joe biden. it's not only i was the last person in the room. "and you feel comfortable slow. i do.

when the democrats called it a strategic and moral failure, what happened with the biden administration, and same democrat or use those words congressman ryan. vice president harris, he says, we can't assign partisan blame. yes you can. you fire them and make sure there are consequences. we knew that they let thing go to the airport which has one runway. they have credible information. they identified the person what he was wearing. they had a shot in place. they couldn't get the approval to shoot. it was a rules of engagement with this biden administration they end up killing 170 afghans and 13 americans whose names have not come out of joe biden's mouth as he sat there and watch the boxes come off and the confidence i looked at his watch. you know what? we know nothing about our history. when she says every day, i am

mourned and honored those 13, shame on you. that is the kind of exaggeration that we don't believe. the gold star families say biden never publicly named them. he is not someone they are enthralled with and neither is she. >> she says he is the last person in the room. she denied who the dead person in the room was, joe biden. shouldn't she be held accountable for that? >> i am glad you didn't say we talked about this in the green room. this was a catastrophic failure. watching the president won't win the families in arlington. reminded me of that. the disappointing thing for me in all this is twofold. first, i have yet to hear a real accounting of what happened. i understand the decision-making process. i don't need to have anything disclosed that would reveal any

secrets. how to ensure we don't make the same mistake again. i am a believer and lessons learned. we will be confronted with something like this again. we need to know how we can avoid this from happening again. i never assign intentionality to any president. certainly not president biden as well. i don't think president intends to put more fighters in a position where they can be killed. i don't think he intended for that to happen. having said that, if i were president trump in the politics of it, i would want the way you position this, i would want to be in the room standing side by vice president harris and asked the question, why did you think when you are then planned and you are the last person to leave the room? did you agree with everything the president wanted to do? let the voters be the arbiters of whether she is telling the truth or not.

>> last word to you. take it wherever you want. >> thank you very much. the political analyst as this point at this time in the campaign, you look at who is winning that day's news cycle. last friday was the first day in many weeks that president trump was able to win back the new cycle went rfk jr. endorsed him. we will talk about that more later. today, kamala harris seated that field to him. only knew she made was wanting to renegotiate the rules of the debate. he made a lot of news by being there with the families and going and taking questions from the press when he went to that event in detroit today as well. she was so eager to be part and to be seen. i am with the president. i'm doing everything. the other night when joe biden a week ago tonight said, kamala harris, my vice president was the tie-breaking vote on the inflation reduction act. he's waiting for the cheers. everyone claps except for her.

she just sat there. this is one of my biggest vulnerabilities. it's like breaking up with someone who is super sentimental and all the pictures and then name is carved into the tree and you break up and can erase it. president trump is making sure that she is not going to be able to separate herself or forget that she was part of biden-harris in the title. >> i don't think it was right to bring that up on live tv. they break out. never happen. i i am fine. we are good. everything is great. got a dog. moving along. it shows you are okay. endorsing trump. is it a musical ♪ when the sawdust settles and the engine finally roars the thing you care about most is a job well done. ♪

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♪ ♪ >> of the liberal press is doing everything they can to destroy the reputation of rfk jr. after the independent candidate dropped out of about 2024 race and endorse donald trump or president, rfk's relatives called his endorsement and "betrayal." jen psaki was more than eager to exploit the rift. posting on her show. she could say this. >> i completely -- separate and disassociate myself from robert kennedy jr. and his flagrant and inexplicable effort to -- >> rfk is taking the high road on his back stabbing family members. take a look at this. >> my family is at the center of the democratic party. members of my family are working

for the biden administration. they are free to take their positions on these issues. i think we all need to be able to disagree with each other and still love each other. >> and trump was first elected, they were so many people who unfriended a lot of republicans because trump was the president. how do you disassociate from a sibling over politics? >> i'm not sure they disassociated. i thought he had the right answer. >> i think he had the right answer. family members of mine were working in the administration. he has every right like every other american to endorse and support whomever he wants. when you do that you have to realize you will incite some opposition to your point. you had to have a kennedy name, there is not a name or synonymous with democrat politics than the kennedys. the front page of the cover of one of our in-house newspapers talked about this, the historic moment when rfk jr. -- you have

to expect some people would react to this. his family has every right to react. i hope they don't make it personal. you and i resemble that comment. we disagree on some things. there is a personal respect for that. i hope that whatever he does going forward how this campaign however he has deployed that we are able to take him on the issues and not his personal character. >> when harold is talking about the kennedy name is symbolic with democratic party politics, rfk made it clear that the democrat party today doesn't espouse the beliefs that his father and uncle did. >> it's interesting to live through the middle of a political realignment. when bill clinton was speaking last tuesday night, that was the first election that i voted in. you think about the way the parties have changed over time. things change and people changing countries change,

policy change. all of these things are happening. i actually don't think that rfk jr. is president trump's key to victory. so i think he could help him in some places? yes. i hope that family rifts can be healed. i never want to hear about any of that. >> is rfk's endorsement of donald trump, is it's about the trail of the democrat party? or is it about his belief that trump is the better candidate? is it a pragmatic decision that he gets to itself on a bigger pulpit about the issues that are important to him like public health and chronic disease? >> all of the above. he will be an advisor making america healthy again. if you get a shot at that opportunity on a federal level, you take it. the democratic party left him he

said. the kennedy family and saying the legacy of the father. jfk was trying to cool things down with the russians. he was trying to remove american troops from quagmires. he was trying to dismantle the intelligence agencies. he cut taxes. he was for free speech. he lived a playboy lifestyle. there are a lot of similarities between donald trump and jfk. what i like is if you were a member of a political dynasty, if your family does something you don't like, you can put out statements against them. that would be great. your sister does something in speaking -- i'm sure my mother was probably, go on msnbc tonight and say my son, jesse watters made a joke about kamala harris being manhandled by generals and the situation room. he has desecrated the memory of our grandfather. it is disgusting. i can see my mom doing that. i wish i had a political dynasty so i could take shots as well.

>> we appreciate that. jesse is talking about he mentioned unity. isn't that what donald trump seems to be about? the democrats talk about joy and unity. you have tulsi gabbard today and rfk and donald trump. democrats joining him. >> then democrats don't understand this kind of unity. if you're going to have different people, they have to represent a group. they have to say -- she should say as a female veteran of samoan heritage -- she's not going to say that. i am an american. you look at this diverse group of personalities and characters whether it is rfk. a lot of the people that have been leaving the democratic party are interesting minds. the trump thing as a pirate ship. no one represents black or or black. they are all individuals.

for some reason, that is rebellious today to be an actual individual. it is the most scary thing in the world. there's a lot of things i disagree with. the one thing i liked about him from the beginning. he never criticized trump supporters. he criticized trump but never went after them millions americans. he is a born listener. he understands frustrations and cynicism of millions americans and thinks there is something there that he could actually learn from and may be hope. i think they are creating the most antiestablishment campaign in modern history when you look at all the people, this pirate ship. it is the expendables meets the magnificent seven. it's crazy. it is no joy, but it is action. >> what is amazing is that the secret service. he suspended his campaign on friday. the secret service takes away

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>> after stealing no tax on tips, "copycat" speech kamala is ripping off another trump idea. tries to make it look as if she personally belted. it is another 180 from kamala who is on the record trashing trump's border wall. >> this administration has decided to vilify them and trade on them for the sake of this

presidents in submitted evil vanity project called a wall. i'm not going to vote for a while under any circumstances. >> she should just run under the slogan, twt, trump without the tweets. because that is what she is running out right now. it is so strange that, at election time, they run to the middle. in that middle -- >> perfect. >> where my? what was in the middleware policies that they had just painted as extreme. and now, the weld makes sense. they love the police. if you notice that? they are saluting the flag. they love the flag. they think families are neat. i'm starting to like the democrat party. it only exists for 96 hours, once every four years in august.

>> she is attacking to the center. >> the clip that we just showed up for it was january 20th 2019. what was happening right and then then? she had a big world out in california. president's trump tweeted, look at her. she is want to watch. she's got something there. 10 months later, she had a pulled out of the race because she had no support. she lost all of them money. she never went to a primary to get a vote. what is happening here is, there wasn't a primary. biden was going to be the nominee. she never could have survived in a primary with the issues she is espousing today or the position she is espousing today. she is benefiting so much from this truncated three month campaign that all of a sudden, she can say she is a moderate democrat. oh, okay. i think that tom cotton was correct in asking the abc reporter. how do you know that?

she says that she has changed her mind on the border. okay, why? what did you find? what did you learn? she gets to pretend or maybe she is. maybe she is the moderate democrat and playing a liberal democrat. i don't know. we deserve some answers as harold was saying. >> she is going to go into this trump debate cold. she will not be able to test out any of these lines in intense media interviews. this is going to be tough. >> i think she will have the benefit of looking at some of the polling data. i think greg was exactly right. >> everyone is building. >> the republicans at their convention, the first night had the president of the teamsters talk. i've never seen in my 54 years or 34 years following it going to convention seeing a republican leader with that fiery speech about working people and about owners.

democrats with flags and veterans there and cops there. i think it is the result of two things. 9/11 happened. a lot of young people have come back in the democratic party and republican party. i think it is a good thing in the military when veterans serve. when you look at the economic insecurities of the country of the last 40 and 50 years and now the middle class is not growling some of the numbers for the upper echelon has. it paves the way for donald trump's message in a new kind of democratic message to evolve. we talked around this table a few weeks ago about the middle class and at the republican convention. it's a win for the middle of the country for everyday working americans when both parties are speaking. i expect support. rfk jr. said terrible things about president trump. president trump said terrible things about him 4 weeks ago. we have found commonality in common agreement. the democrats had a few republicans speak at their convention, i think it is a

positive thing. you may not like the outcome, but you got to give people room and space to evolve and grow and hopefully come to your side. >> i want to go back to what greg was talking about. that is an election year. they all go to the metal. she says that she is fixing the border. the toughest thing that kamala has done since she has been vice president is basically -- she says this herself. she supported the toughest bill on the failed's border wall bill. the amazing part of this, she believes in as soon as people get over the wall, they can get free health care, free education, free housing. they should be able to get drivers licenses. they should get on the voting rolls on the welfare rolls. once you get past the wall. there is this temporary realignment to the metal.

but then when she goes back into the white house if she's elected, she is literally tougher on the american people that she is on the illegals. >> you can also get free changes if you are an illegal. we've got to go. up next, elon musk to rescue the astronauts that kamala left stranded in space. ♪ ♪

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>> elon musk is a real-life superhero. his spacex company is stepping into a rescue that 2 astronauts who have been stuck on the international space station since june. your thoughts about elon musk and this boeing star liner. >> i feel sorry for the boeing people. it is like a who pulls over to fix a flat tire because the husband can't do it. the husband has to stand there while the shirtless late-night host anchor is spinning the tire right off. the woman looks at him. please rescue me from this loser

named jesse. >> i know how to fix a tire. >> i think it is a couple of things. the media has been pretty awful to elon musk in many ways. he takes a lot of abuse. it's a good thing that america has 2 companies at least in private space exploration so that elon musk can go and rescue them and help them. you had a whistleblower essay we hate . we hate them. elon musk is the one who's going to be able to save these people and bring them back. i imagine the roles were reversed. if boeing had to figure out a way to go and save them, we wouldn't hear the end of how great boeing's. boeing has a lot to do in regaining public trust and confidence. i'm going to turn it over to the judge. >> can i say something? >> can we agree that we are over female hair floating in space?

>> i like that. i love it. >> let's get to the judge. >> if it's boeing, i ain't going. i'm not flying a boeing plane because the doors fly off. beyond the earth's atmosphere, they have already shown that, you know, they can't compete with elon musk. it's important to note that boeing is dei incentive-based and elon musk is not. his company star liner. i am concerned about whistle-blowers. we had one former quality control manager who committed suicide in march and another quality auditor who died of some fast -- disease in april. we have a third one who is scared for his life. i'm concerned about boeing. i'm not sure that we should be doing as much business as we do with boeing. >> they have to get better, but we have to support them. >> it's not much of an argument

but when you think about it, it is. this guy has rescued astronauts and free speech and the ukraine and military. they are going to be building statues of elon musk eventually. the democrats will topple them. this is an american hero. he needs to be treated with respect. the biden administration should stop suing him. this is not then appealed to have him on my show at all. >> he has done a lot of good for humanity. >> he is welcome anytime. >> he is the most important technologist of our era. "one more thing" is up next. frustrated by skin tags? dr. scholl's has the breakthrough you've been waiting for. now there's an easier-to-use at home skin tag remover, clinically proven to remove skin tags safely in as little as one treatment.

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>> dana: time now for "one more. >> judge jeanine: it's time for red, ted, stella, doodle. sachet your little hines in this house right now. so, it's national dog day. and happy national dog day. there is doodle taking red on a walk to show red the chickens in pennsylvania where my son lives. my son came and took doodle there are the chickens coming out from the chicken coop. red and doodle know not to touch them. but, doodle, as you can see, was raised with the chickens. they are walking on her. and then here's red, ted, and stella being their fabulousselves. no, that's not me. that is me, but that's not fabulous. that's them. who says five is a crowd. there is two there. there is five. >> greg: all right tonight we got a great show. kevin o'leary, we're back at 10:00 p.m. by the way. emily austin, vince august and tyrus. that's tonight at 10:00. let's do that greg's drunk panda

news. pandas had a bachelor party out in midtown last friday. and it got petty hairy. this is them outside the bar. they went outside roadies did. a bunch of shots. they were loaded. check them out. you know, pandas, they can't hold their liquor. >> that's why they are going extinct. exactly. there they go. getting the munchies. >> jesse: do you know pandas have the closest fingerprint to a human? i learned that at trivia pursuit this weekend. did i not get that right. i thought it was a baboon or something. happy 90th to pop. emma's grandfather turned 90. there he is with a cigar and scotch on his birthday. that's how i want to go. >> greg: is he still alive. >> dana: perino on politics is up now with garety from national news. that's it for us. sorry, harold. >> bret: big day national dog day. >> dana: glad you