found details with the picture that you just don't see by glancing at it. there's a little blurriness on young charlotte's sleeve. doesn't connect with the rest of the picture. if you look at the right pants leg of young prince louis, there seems to be some problem or breaking in the picture on the floor behind him. you would have to be pretty sharp to find them. i didn't see them. it just goes to show, the palace said when the princess first went into the hospital back in january, they weren't going to be giving regular updates. they didn't have to release this photo. they did, and the backlash has been intense. >> and they said they're not going to release the original photograph. there are a couple other things wrong. you can go online and see the close-ups. i had to look a few times to figure it out myself. matt bradley, thank you so much. that's going to do it for me right now.

"deadline: white house" starts right now. ♪♪ hi there, everyone, it's 4:00 in new york. the disgraced twice-inimpeached quite indicted president with delusions of grandeur and thin skin is proving that birds of a feather do indeed flock together. while president joe biden was on the road pitching an agenda nor the second term, the ex-president was meeting with the pro-putin anti-democratic leader of hungary singing his praises, watch that. >> there's nobody better, smarter, or better than viktor orban, he's fantastic. does a good job. noncontroversial, because he said this is the way it's going to be. he's the boss. he's a greater leader. fantastic leader in europe and all over the world. they respect him. >> never mind the fact that orban is anything but,

noncontroversial, even in his own country. and death by a thousand cuts approach to ending democracy in his own nation has been universally condemned. the meeting between the hungarian strongman leader and the wannabe american strong man, also yielded an alarming and dangers policy announcement, orban in that conversation to hungarian media said if trump is elected he will not give a penny in the ukraine/russia war, therefore, the war will end because it's obvious ukraine cannot stand on its own two feet. the stance that is devastating to ukraine, the fighting in ukraine controversy all over the world would be a body blow to the world. also a strategic victory for vladimir putin, another dictator that the ex-president has been

idolized for years. dictators, even hitler runs deep, it's in his dna. and what he says about them in public isn't alarming enough, but what he says about them in private can be even worse. form national security adviser john bolton to donald trump telling jim sciutto in a new book, quote, he views himself as a big guy, he likes dealing with other big guys and big guys like erdogan in turkey get to put people in jail and don't have to ask anybody's permission. he kind of like that. and the former chief of staff says of his old boss, trump, he's not a tough guy by any means but that's how he envisions himself. according to general kelly, trump's praise of hitler for doing what trump said, quote, a lot of good things are just the tip of the iceberg. kelly continues, well, he said, hitler did some good things.

i said, well what? he said, trump, said, hitler rebuilds the economy. what did he do with that economy, he turned it against his own people. i said, you can never say anything good about is the guy, nothing. mussolini was a great guy in comparison. it's pretty hard to believe he missed the holocaust, though. and pretty hard to understand how he missed the 400,000 american g.i.s who were killed in the european theater, kelly told me, i think it's more the tough guy thing. the ex-president and presumptive nominee's deep entireautocrats, means, we begin in france, michael goal is here. charlie sykes, eddie cloud is here. with me at the table, democratic

strategic at hunter college, michael is here. michael one of the features of the trump 2024 campaign is it's all out there. it's not on the stump. there aren't as many private conversations seen by ordinary journalists like yourself. i'm sure there will be in coming months one of the dangerous things from a traditional candidate is one of the things he's announcing from the stump. that include the full-on fawning of the world's most dangerous autocrats. >> yeah, i think it's been year this year and last year's campaigning he repeatedly praises strong man dictators, putin, and he doubles down, after saying it at times, the press will crucify me. and orban is a person he mentions on the trail, obviously, there's an affinity

for orban and far-right conservatives. he was invoking orban's praise for him as good quality. >> yeah, michael, i remember when trump met with the russian ambassador in the oval office. and it was russian media -- i think your colleagues were the first to report that on the trump white house beat. this had an echo to that. where orban was the first to report that trump would cut off ukraine and cut off u.s. funds to ukraine. something he actually tried to do to zelenskyy. as president he got impeached for it. what do you think of the lack of any sort of policies or procedures in terms of having the american press have this information before the hungarian press? >> i think there's an extent to which trump is treating himself like a president. given his claims that -- false claims, i should say, that he won the 2020 election. i think one thing that is

striking is the campaign did send out a readout from this meeting, but the readout focused on litigation. and the only drips we got from that meeting came originally from orban's social media, with the nice things that trump was saying. trump talking about foreign policy with the white house, i think there's a lot of question about what he's actually saying and what he thinks. in the meantime, you had the pronouncements during the rallies where he talks about the views on nato and where he would encourage russia to attack allies who he didn't think would contribute to the military. we don't know what he's having in the conversations. there's an extent to which the speech has to speak for itself on this. >> and speak for themselves, they do. charlie sykes, something that we've been asking for years is really coming into full view. and to the credit of john kelly and john bolton, they have both spoken before, john bolton wrote

a book. >> right. >> where he writes about his persons during impeachment one. they went beyond trump's perversion of u.s. policy, with ukraine, writings concerns that u.s. foreign policy when it came to turkey had also been corrupted. and general kelly said he describes trump as the most disturbed person he's seen. and trump's former advisers say he most consistently lavished praise on russian president vladimir putin. john bolton recalls a comment from trump from the nato summit. following nato leaders meeting, said the adversary quote may be the easiest of all. he said to the press as he goes to the hospital i think the

easiest meeting would be with vladimir putin. who would think that? john bolton, there's only one person, they're big guys, i wish i could act like they do. we have all of the pieces now, charlie sykes, i guess at one point this stops being a trump story and starts being a biden story? >> well, this will never be surreal. i think that's the main point. it's not just that donald trump has an obvious fetish for strong men, it's that last line, he wishes he could be more like them. you have to ask when he looks at them with admiration, what does that tell you what he wants to do when he becomes the tough guy again. orban's record, as you point out is not noncontroversial. he's attacking the courts, he's attacking the media.

and cruel treatment of refugees. and white nationalist rhetoric. he has inferred anti-semitism. and yet donald trump look at him and says he's the boss, he's the guy that i admire so much. so i think this is this moment, this is kind of a challenge, because this is not trump derangement syndrome. this is out of the mouth of donald trump on a regular and consistent basis. these are the reports that we're getting from the people who work the most closely with him. that donald trump, far from being the american patriot, far from being, you know, the conservative protector of american values, looks at the world thugs and thinks i wish i could be more like them. i admire them so much. there's really no precedent in american history for something like this. >> let's deal with hitler. i mean, we've had some of this seep into public view. this is confirmation of that previous reporting in jim sciutto's new book.

this is what jim sciutto reports. according to john kelly, trump's praise of hitler for doing, quote, a lot of good things is the tip of the iceberg. if hitler did a lot of good things is the tip of the iceberg, this feels like something worth understanding between now and november, charlie? >> it does seem like something worth understanding. and if this is not disqualifying, what would be? and yet, i have to tell you that i think it's unlikely that donald trump will lose a single republican endorsement as a result of all of this, although it's hard to even imagine, it's hard to even come up with something that would be more disturbing. you know, that when you think about when you want installed as the commander in chief, who you want to put in the office held by george washington and abraham lincoln, would you want someone who admires, even a little bit, admires adolf hitler within zip codes of the oval office?

but this is where we're at here. and i don't know what more you can say. because, you know, nicolle, we've been talking about the last seven years, what is the red line. what would make republicans look at donald trump and say this man is not fit to be in office. i may agree with him about tax policy or whatever, but you can't have somebody that admires this strong men that actually thinks that viktor orban and vladimir putin are the kinds of people they want to emulate. now it's up to the electorate and up to joe biden to sharpen this contrast which he started to do last thursday night in the state of the union address. >> eddie, let me show you some of what president joe biden has to say about, again, the journalist that had the job of covering it, has had some of the toughest beats in the land. and trump is staying this out

loud. >> donald trump has a different constituency. here's a guy kicking off his campaign up the road with marjorie taylor greene. it can tell you a lot about a person he keeps company with. and yesterday, he was hosting at his club viktor orban who says he doesn't think democracy works, calling him a fantastic leader. seriously. he's been sucking up to -- anyway, one of those dictators and authoritarian thugs all around the world. he said the north korean dictator kim jong-un wrote him a beautiful letter. he bragged about calling xi jinping a king. he called putin, he said do whatever the hell you want to our allies. i'm not making these quotes up. he says he wants to be a dictator, i believe him. >> and, eddie, what's so

amazing, is we now have such clear lines, between life and leaders on earth one, and life and leaders on earth two. if you contrast the biden speech, we'll call that earth one and the boos and the jeers. if you look at vaughn hillyard's superb reporting in the aftermath of trump allies where they're asked about strong man. putin, yes, ukraine and then this is not a clash between trump and biden. they have very traditional views in the post world war ii time about nato and our allies, but trump supporters, at least the ones who have been interviewed on camera having watched trump's speeches which touch on these themes have been radicalized to

be something very different. >> yes, nicolle, i think you made a point to charlie in your leadup to the question, in some ways, we know who trump is, this is about biden and us, right. when we talk about trump, we need to talk about his desire to be a big man. his attraction to autocratic leaders or dictatorial leaders but we have to understand the etiological underpinnings, so there is trump, the personality and what he's trafficking in. orban is a leading figure in global white nationalism. he's a leading figure in global white christian nationalism. you think about it, may 14th is the buffalo shooting. and we know that murderer, right, wrote a treatis of sorts talking about it. two days later in hungary, orban talked about the same theory, talking about being replaced by migrants. so that attraction to orban is

rooted in this story that biden mentioned in the state of the union about the other side, right, the other side, the american story that trump is interested in is one of hatred and greed and revenge. and it's a story that has deep roots in u.s. history. and so even though it's earth one and earth two on a certain level, there's this kind of blurring, there's this line, this overlap that's rooted deep in our history that we have to begin to unpack. the folks he's speaking to, a good thing, nicolle, they actually believe that they're losing the country. and they need a strong man to claim it, right? and we saw this, right in the midst of those plantation owners exploiting those poor white folk. and calling them to fight in the civil war on behalf of slavery, even though they weren't benefitting from the institution. so, we've seen some of this before. >> yeah. i mean, biden, i think -- there are two things going on here.

one, those of us who covered trump for eight years, you know, the cassette tape starts and stops, wherever we pick it up, we pick it up. the journalist that covers a rally has to cover a rally. but there is a vital, i would argue international reality in widening the lens. and i don't know if i've ever said global white nationalist, and what ties this global in syncs that lead to policies together. it's a real wake-up call for those of us covering the story the third time around to get smart about what it is that juices his supporters, about that. i mean, it's a bizarre, i hate to invoke, you know, fat aged performer, because whatever that tortured metaphor is that trump is doing. but to eddie's point, it's got resonance. >> yeah, i don't know the last

time you had a hip-hop on your show. to eddie's point there's a great quote by one of my favorite rappers who said that black and white didn't argue the most, clearly we would see the government. that is what donald trump is trying to do, sow that dissension. one thing that was said, he's trying to a strong man, yes, he is but that's not a recent phenomenon. they went back to 2015 and looked at it and said, you know what, a lot of this has been consistent for many years. so this is who he has been. i don't know if it's because i just read this stuff all the time and i'm a black man and say that somebody is thinking about me and trying to abrogate my rights that i focus on it, he's been consistent and repetitive,

so, we have no reason not to believe that he will carry out what he says. to michael's point, he does act like a president in exile. contrast this to 2008, barack obama goes to germany. he makes a speech in front of 1 million people or so, young people. and essentially credits them for being at the front of the movement to democratize europe and the rest of the world. think about in contrast what donald trump is doing, as a president -- you know, this sort of president in exile. by pulling together these threads of white nationalism across the globe. guess what he's going to do if he gets back to office? he's going to bring all of that to bear with what happens in the united states. >> i want to see if i can find some of that biden speech because it's such a great contrast. to also, your point, we found that. trump has been saying the same thing. i would be there with joe, when he said these things and joe's

head -- what -- let me take a very short break. when we come back, donald trump's rallies as we've been discussing have dived into really dark spaces, previewing what he hopes to accomplish if he's re-elected. themes of retribution and despair. and decline, we're quoting him, a toxic mix that threatens to throw democracy into further chaos. plus, why people are still talking about the republican response about the state of the union arrest this week. the senator's very, very misleading tale of trafficking at the border being debunked. later in the forecast, he can't just stop, liable for defamation, trump did it again, attacking e. jean carroll over the weekend. will she sue him again? all of this continues when "deadline: white house" comes back after a quick break. don't go anywhere. of recurrence of hr-positive,rk

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they're like rock concerts for those living on earth two, but the rest of us recognize donald trump's political rallies for exactly what they are. a radioactive witch's brew of outright lies, heavy grievances and as we discussed donald trump's dark dystopian plans for a second term. the gaffs and stumbles, a degree of cognitive decline that leads trump to talk about his cognitivity. and exactly what it would look and sound like, reporters at the "washington post" trained their eyes on just weren't such speech. it was from late last month,

took place in south carolina. long and laden with resentment, he played all the hits, execution, martyrdom and as we mentioned, trump's speech provides a road map of what a second term might look like, fulfilling his promises to root out the deep state of civil servants cracking down on illegal immigration and crime. and points out his weaknesses as candidates, sometimes slurring his words confusing names of world heres and attacking minority in defensive ways. we're back. your thoughts on this single speech under a microscope. >> you know, i think it's interesting to look at that speech because it was coming as the general election was there. at the time, nikki haley was still in the race. i actually thought the speech he gave on saturday when i wrote about for the "times," talked

about the fact that the speech is not changing as we move into the general election season. it was two hours, longer than he's been going recently. he talked about his time, he went after megyn kelly, and he, of course, attacked president biden and said a lot about immigrants that i think has gotten attention over the last several months. it's very clear as we head toward november and looking at a race that's going to be dominated by independent voters in a handful of states, the message is not changing. the same we heard a year ago. >> what is he still mad about megyn kelly about, has he not caught her turn back to the right? >> he basically said her name, megyn kelly, r.i.p. made fun of her for pivoting back to conservatism and politics again. >> wow. let me show you -- and again, i want to be careful to explain why we're showing trump sound. wee have been over eight years

pretty judicious on how and when we use it. >> he's running this country, at least he's a leader, unlike what we have in this country. >> but, again, he killed journalists that don't agree with him. >> well, i think our country does plenty of killing also, joe. >> the problem is not that putin -- >> so that was trump on his love for dictators. to stick a pin in that, i want to, because you've been out there with him, especially the tour speech, i want to show you trump flubs and how he handles his own flubs on the stump. >> he must be cognitively impaired. i'm not cognitive -- when i am, you're going to hear it, boom, this is me, bing! >> did you just say maduro venezuela -- unbelievable, even

argentina, they went maga. argentina, a great guy. >> we're a nation that recently heard, saudi arabia and russia -- ahh -- >> the polls are all rigged. of course, lately, they haven't been rigged, they're winning by so much, i want to say, disregard that statement. >> all incompetent biden administration. >> ukraine and russia would you not be fighting, potin, i know him very well. >> they're weaponizing election high level interference against joe biden top and only political appointment, a guy named me. >> i mean, if he wasn't running for president and was ceo, the business community and the stocks, this would be a totally different story but because he's totally incubated by movement that doesn't give a you know what, that just kind of goes unnoticed outside of the

reporters who cover it. does any -- what would the supporters do when he calls putin potin, i mean, is it a dog whistle, what is it? >> i think we have to look at the extent to which his supporters are there at this point. i mean, they're there. this is their leader. the people who are at these rallies back him no matter what. part of the reason why, they're waiting for hours in line, you're not going into one of these things if you're not already a fan of donald trump. when i talk about the stumps, they write them off and say, sure, he misspoke, but look at joe biden. my colleague and i wrote a story at the end of last year, talking about how trump continues to attack joe biden saying he's not mentally fit. as president, people are paying more attention, you know, to these stumbles that he seems to be having or things. we've seen that in the last few weeks, those things have gotten quite a bit of attention. the people at these rallies

don't mind. the question is whether or not independent voters, what we've been saying that joe biden is not mentally ready to be president. >> and charlie, joe biden gives a speech that he gave last week, you could not like what the stuff he's running on but he's forcibly defending the agenda. here's a point. he's running against biden, somebody who has triggered him. he gets impeached the first time because he's so reluctant to run against biden in the general election that he wants to damage his family. he's running against him as someone who is not up to the task. here's trump constantly talking about his own brush with a cognitive evaluation. >> first they say, he wants to take over the world, he's going to take over the world. he's a dictator. >> his guy is so brilliant he wants to take over the world. >> next day, they'll say he's

crazy. the next day they'll say he's incompetent. >> this is one of the dumbest human beings ever. that was bad. i asked doc ronny. >> i asked dr. ronnie jackson. they're not that easy. >> what about a cognitive test. >> he said, well, you know, it's not that easy. >> i took two of them, i aced it, i'm proud to say. >> i aced it. 30 or 35 questions. >> 30 or 35 questions. you get to the end questions. very few people can answer those questions. >> like a giraffe, a tiger, a whale, which one was the whale. >> the tusks. >> person, woman, man, camera, tv, they say that's amazing. how did you do that? >> now, with national security, it's not an algebra test. it's a screen for cognitive decline. and again, this is only an issue

because trump is making it an issue in the campaign. and that's his side of the story. what do we do with that, charlie? >> well, he also gave joe biden quite a gift by lowering the bar of expectations with the performance. i mean, trump and his allies in the media have spent months now basically saying that joe biden was in complete cognitive decline. it was senile, would be drooling from the podium. and when joe biden puts a rather forceful vigorous performance, what are they left to say? so, you know, i just want to go back to something a little bit earlier. i really do think it's important that we continue to shine the spotlight on what donald trump is saying. we have the message that he's putting out. i know that a lot of people think about if we just ignore him, somehow it's going to be okay and he's going to go away. i think we tried that before. i don't think that the networks ought to air his speeches live.

but we need to listen and take seriously what will he is saying. because i think there are a lot of americans who kind of have tuned out who and what donald is. you know, they've listened. they've gone on with their lives. it's kind of background noise. 2024 is going to be about focusing the american people on who and what donald trump is. and what he is telling us about himself, every single day. so, i hope he keeps doing this. i hope you keep highlighting and the rest of the media keeps highlighting what's going on in these speeches. let's not pretend that there's anything normal about it. that there's anything safe about it. that there's anything routine about it. because i think that's going to be the key to 2024. >> eddie, you got a quick last word. >> well, i think it's important to understand what he's saying. i think charlie's absolutely right. and we also need to understand

the nature of the rituals of these gatherings. >> hmm. >> of these speech, these campaigns, they're ritual acts. they have liturgies, people are being socialized into callousness. their sense of displacement is being manipulated in sorts of ways so we need to understand the ritual practice that is underpinning what donald trump is doing and its threat to american democracy. >> michael gold, thank you for reporting. charlie sykes and eddie glaude, thank you. basel sticks around. donald trump and would like us to believe that immigrants are creating a frightening border. a horrific story told by a junior senator and how one of the biggest political stages that exists in this country is being called out for what it is today.

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republican senator katie britt's alabama state of the union response, picking up on fantastic reporting of jonathan cast that details a brazen representation made by the senator about that horrific story that became the centerpiece of her strange rebuttal. britt implied with the graphic sexual abuse experienced by a real victim of human trafficking was a result of the biden administration immigration policies. but it turns out the abuse endured occurred 2007 and 2008 when george w. bush was president and didn't even happen in the united states of america. it happened in mexico. the woman, karlajacinto.

>> did you mean to give the impression that this horrible story happened on president biden's watch? >> no, shannon, look, i very specifically said this is what president biden did during his first 100 days. >> aye-yai-yai. joining our conversation, former rnc spokesman and host of a podcast, tim miller is here. dawn everest is here. basel is still with us. >> i mean, look, tim, when you are -- and i hate quoting the old politics, i know every day i relearn it every day, it's like getting kicked on the side of the head. but rules of politics, when you're in a hole, stop kicking. of course, he meant to imply it was his fault. >> the first words were joe biden. i do think the rules of politics do apply to some people and i

think the gravity goes to katie britt. even in maga media world, some of us were dumb founded by her performance, and just the fact it was so phony. and to use this story, to do it in a performative manner to make a point, when none of the underlying facts supported your point, it's just so gross. sometimes, some live in a fantasy world. you could imagine a republican rebuttal from early 2000s. or democratic rebuttal saying, hey, we need to be concerned. you know, the people at the border, we need to be concerned about their humanity. but we also need to have stricter border security. we need to make changes to put in law enforcement. and president biden hasn't been aggressive enough. if you could imagine a substantive response that is both compassionate and addresses

an actual issue, a policy issue. these republicans aren't capable of that. all you get is just unabashed cruelty from donald trump planning mass deportations in camps. and putting out somebody like katie britt to try to paper over that and put this kind of sheen, this phony sheen of compassion on top of his cruelty, with no substance on it. it was just totally fabricated lies. and the whole thing is pretty pathetic. i guess the whole thing, it seems like the backlash against her comes from all corners, maybe this is one time when political gravity will apply. >> i guess the problem, donna, it's heard around the world. and i think one of the strongest parts of biden's speech when the republican senator said that's true about the border section. the truth and the facts is that joe biden gave republicans just about everything they wanted in the border -- biden actually got

further than my old boss, mccain and bush, president obama. i mean, he got farther with a bipartisan deal than any recent president. i think that -- i think that holds up going back at least the previous three administrations. and republicans killed it. because trump called them and told them to. the only ones that went to support it are the people that listeneded to donald trump and donald trump. >> that was the real danger in what katie britt said because sheer she was laying a false story at the feet of joe biden at the same time where she joined with her republicans and killed the border security. she was actually in front of the group that was negotiating the bill, and she joined in killing it. so, joe biden said in that speech, are you going to fight about it, or are you going to fix it? and clearly, republicans want to fight about it.

they wanted this fight for 2024 and for the election. sand they've gotten the fight, except that the tables have turned. and their hypocrisy was laid bare by katie britt in this bizarre story that never happened in the united states. just never really happened in the way that she described. and she never cleaned it up. so, this idea that she cleaned up the lie actually wasn't true. because she never cleaned it up at all. she still suggested that it was at the feet and the hands of biden policies that resulted in that really horrible story. and, you know, so republicans really don't have a leg to stand on. we may actually have the upper hand when it came to the fight on immigration. they don't have it at all now. >> i think that's right. i mean, "snl" is so brilliant. you know, they are really on to something when they can hue so

closely, maybe that was sarah palin's actual answers in interviews. in this story again, this is actually what happened, she tells the story of wrong year, wrong president, wrong country. >> one wonders why she would do that, is she not smart enough? are the people who wrote the text just not paying attention? actually, i just want to call attention to the substance, she said it because it works. the fear that she's engendered with works. not with us, but a core group of maga supporters. just to take something from donald trump's speech and immigration, and he calls immigrants an agony of our people. the plunder of our cities, sacking our own towns, violating our citizens. the conquest of our country. when you listen to language like, you know, i think about 1915 movie called "birth of a nation" which portrayed avenue can americans as hypersexual and violent.

and to the rescue of american virtue was the kkk. now, it's very clear, there are differences between african americans and immigrants and migrants in this country. the throughline, however, is the way in which white supremacists are viewed as being virtuous and being able to stand up to the virtues of our country. and when donald trump starts calling out white scream supremacists and tasking them, the bullets don't care about the back story. and there's been fun poked at that speech, no question about it. traditional politics will tell you she should have created a clear alternative to what joe biden was saying. and she absolutely did not do that. but they used that story because that story works. that fear -- that story is a proxy for fear. and the concern is that it will

metastasize in a way that goes well beyond the joke. >> and basel, we should add to your list, poison in the blood. because that's what that is about. let's not let katie britt off the hook. she's an attorney, she's a united states senator. and she should just know better. >> yes. >> no one is going anywhere. next for us, president joe biden owning all of the conversations, all the questions, all the jabs about his age in the first major ad buy in his general election campaign. we'll show you the new ad, next.

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for all of the lame punditry about joe biden's age, he's taking matters into his own hands, it would seem. he's out with a new ad. it goes directly to one of the biggest attacks leveled against him. take a look. >> look, i'm not a young guy. that's no secret. but here's the deal. i understand how to get things done for the american people. i led the country through the covid crisis. today we have the strongest economy in the world. i passed a law that lowers prescription drug prices, caps insulin at $35 a month for seniors. for four years donald trump tried to pass an infrastructure law, and he failed. i got it done. donald trump took away the freedom of women to choose. i'm determined to maikro v. wade the law of the land again. donald trump believes the job of the president is to take care of donald trump.

i believe the job of the president is to fight for you, the american people. and that's what i'm doing. >> can we do one more take? >> look, i'm very young, energetic and handsome. what the hell am i doing this for? >> i love that. donna? >> i love it. because it really shows his personality. he is a fun-loving guy, and he jokes about himself. and i always thought he should lean into his age and experience and wisdom and this does exactly that. i'm glad he's owning it. >> wisdom is a very important point because you have the ability to step back, take notice and speak from a place of strength, something donald trump doesn't do, which he called -- talking about donald trump, his wobbly intellect the other day and absolutely right. just lean into it. and i guarantee people will see the contrast. >> so tim, i worked for a president who had a different perceived weakness. it was sort of the penchant to misspeak. and he once gave a speech at the correspondents dinner where he took on his own sort of blunders and he said you might have wondered what i meant when i said is our children learning or

ob-gyns spreading their love with -- he ticked through it all, and the room was roaring. they knew he knew that he sometimes flubbed his lines. >> yeah, self-deprecation is powerful in politics. it always has been. i think it's particularly powerful when your opponent is incapable of it, like donald trump. because he's a narcissistic sociopath. so i think biden has to address this head on. doing it with self-deprecation is smart. the other part i really liked is a lot of times these nerdy policy, you know, legislation does not break through in elections like this. but the thing about the infrastructure bill, infrastructure became a meme during the trump years because it was always infrastructure week and everybody knows that he failed. and so to use that as a proof point, that i am capable, i might be old but i can get stuff done, this guy talked about it every week, we got it done and now you're seeing the actual results in your community. i like that as a contrast point, and i want them to continue driving it throughout the campaign. >> i have a question for both of you on that.

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tim makes such a good point about biden getting done this thing that trump couldn't do, couldn't get it done, couldn't finish the job. how do you make that something that is in front of voters over the next eight months, that every bridge, every road, every -- you know, every time they see the bars on their phone biden was for that and if you've got a republican senator or congressman chances are they voted against it. >> couple of things. charlie made the point actually earlier on the show that this is a point in time where you've really got to go to the american voter and just constantly remind them of everything joe biden has done and that the democrats have done. and one thing that they're starting to do, i with i think is going to be fantastic, is getting the cabinet members out there. so you've got pete buttigieg, the transportation secretary, out there -- >> i've got him this week. i've got him here tomorrow. >> i hosted him at hunter college a couple months ago. it was fantastic. students loved him. i think he's good on the issues.

he's also great in motivating and mobilizing young voters as well. so get them out there to be able to tell their individual stories. >> and what's your advice, having sort of been out there and in front of voters yourself? >> well, i think it's really specific projects. one of the great things about the administration is this money is spreading all across the country in these projects and i think every time he shows up in a state pointing out the number of jobs in that state, in those communities, you know, it's the bridge and it's the road. and, you know, all of the electric charging stations and the batteries that are being produced. there's a good story to tell. and i think you have to tell it with pictures and not just with words. >> and the political side of it is exactly what tim said. trump wanted it so badly. he announced infrastructure week literally every week was infrastructure week. it became a joke. tim miller, basil, donna. donna, you stick around. thank you for spending time with us today. coming up for us, you can aadd

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i just got a review, and -- has there ever been a worse host than jimmy kimmel at the oscars? his opening was that of a less than average person trying too hard to be something which he is not and never can be. get rid of kimmel and perhaps replace him with another washed up but cheap abc talent. see if you can get which former president just posted that on truth social. anyone? no? well, thank you, president trump. thank you for watching. i'm surprised you're still -- isn't it past your jail time? the hate watching is a

thing. we all know that around here too. hi again, everyone. wasn't that good? it's 5:00 in new york. what a moment. that was last night's academy awards. a moment that was so amusing because it just got right at the truth of trump. trump hasn't been sentenced to prison yet he's facing a whopping 91 felony counts across four criminal cases, the first of which goes to trial two weeks from today. in that case he was charged with 34 counts of falsifying business records each carrying a maximum sentence of four years. but trump's legal battles don't stop there. two massive civil trials of his have wrapped in recent months and while their penalties do not include any jail time he's looking at some huge, huge fines. he was found liable for fraud in the state of new york, where he needs to pay nearly half a billion dollars. and just before that he was found liable for sexual abuse and defamation when it came to writer e. jean carroll's cases. trump posted a $91.6 million bond on friday in the carroll

case, a sum of money that for a normal person would give one pause from doing the thing that got them in that much trouble in the first place, speaking out against her, defaming her again. but as we know, trump is no normal defendant or person. over the weekend he repeated the same claims about her that got him in trouble in the first place at a rally in georgia. trump said again that he didn't know carroll and that her accusation was false. and just this morning during a phoner on cnbc trump referred to her as miss bergdorf goodman, alluding to the department store where carroll says he sexually assaulted her. that comment came mere hours before carroll's attorney, robbie kaplan, notified the judge that they agreed to friday's bond payment. now, kaplan did not directly address the latest comments from trump but said in a separate statement this. "the statute of limitations for defamation in most jurisdictions is between one and three years. as we said after the last jury verdict, we continue to monitor every statement that donald trump makes about our client, e.

jean carroll." here's what she said after e. jean's second trial ended. >> you are confident he won't do it again. what happens if he does? >> i can't be confident about anything donald trump does. >> all options are on the table. >> what does that mean? >> if we have to bring another case, we'll bring another case. it's just going to be more money. >> more money. as attorney george conway points out, trump's latest comments about carroll could present trouble for the ex-president. he writes this. "the fact that trump libelled e. jean carroll on cnbc is highly significant for a procedural reason in addition to a substantive one. were e. jean to sue trump just for the speech he gave in northwest georgia the other day, she would have had to sue in the u.s. district court for the northern district of georgia. but now that he libelled her on squawk box, which is anchored in manhattan, she may now sue in the u.s. district court for the southern district of new york. if she does that, the case would be assigned to judge lewis

kaplan as a case related to the earlier two cases that produced $88.3 million in damages awards." donald trump continuing to step in it by defaming e. jean carroll even after paying a bond of more than $90 million is where we begin the hour with some of our most favorite reporters and friends. former top official at the department of justice and msnbc legal analyst andrew weissmann is here. with me at the table msnbc legal correspondent lisa rubin's back. and former democratic congresswoman donna edwards is still with us. andrew weissmann, i start with you. take us to law school. what's going on? at roberta kaplan's conference room table. >> well, you know, i just -- i want to step back first to big picture, which is donald trump is really running as an outlaw. >> that's so true. >> he is running in the same way that john gotti, the former boss of the gambino family, john

gotti's defense was not that i didn't do it, it was basically what's it to you? why do you care? and the continued statements that could form another defamation suit is basically i'm incorrigible, my base doesn't care and i'm going to continue doing it. and both what you're seeing in the civil e. jean carroll case, what you're seeing with the desperate attempts to avoid a criminal trial are all part of the same sort of presentation, which is i am just presenting my spin, my disinformation, my unchecked invective and i don't want to be ever in a forum, in a courtroom where facts and law matter. and that's why you're seeing these sort of crazy immunity

motions being made for cases that were brought -- the gravamen is before he was president. cases where the gravamen is after he was president saying wait a second, i can't ever be sued. and i think that with respect to these statements i think george conway has it exactly right. it will be -- this basically could be a great annuity for both e. jean carroll and her law firm because if he continues making these statements and especially if he is making them before -- in the southern district of new york we've seen this movie. we know how this ends because we saw the second trial and there's no reason to think that there would be any different. other than remember, what the jury is asked is what is the sum of money that would get him to stop? and so if it went from 5 million the first time around to 85 the second time around, there's no reason to think it's not going to continue that exponential trajectory in terms of the consequences for him.

>> so i'm going to deal with your brilliant political analysis in a minute. because that he's running as an outlaw is so astute but i want to stay with your legal mind. as a prosecutor what is the profile of someone who can't be regulated by financial penalties? >> well, this is where there is one more thing that the parties can do. and this was something that you saw a little bit in the judge engoron civil case brought by the attorney general, which was barring donald trump for a period of time from doing business in new york. and that is in the form of what's called injunctive relief, meaning that money is not going to be sufficient to protect the victims here. and that kind of relief, that injunction saying you know what, you now need to just clam up, that's polite terminology and

not exactly legal terminology, that was something that was sought by ruby freeman and shaye moss with respect to rudy giuliani in connection with their defamation case which they won. but then rudy giuliani declared bankruptcy. but that issue of whether at some point you're going to have some sort of injunction against the former president to stop him from defaming e. jean carroll i find very tantalizing as a prospect. just remember, if the former president were to violate an injunction that all sorts of sanctions can come up at that point including jail. if you are -- if you violate intentionally a court order, that is contempt of court. that is the kind of thing which of course courts don't like to do. but at some point when you've got a victim like e. jean carroll, who is -- remember, a jury found she's not only been repeatedly defamed, she was

sexually assaulted. there was one and only one victim in that case, and it is e. jean carroll, as has been found by a court of law. so at some point it will be interesting to see whether they take that step of seeking an injunction, not just continued damages, which clearly are not working. >> e. jean carroll is such a fascinating figure. and the abuse that she's had to withstand from trump not just in the dressing room but in an ongoing way is staggering. and here's nancy mace piling on as well, basically saying rape adjudicated in the civil court isn't rape at all. >> i'm not going to sit here on your show and be asked a question meant to shame me about another potential rape victim. i'm not going to do that. >> it's actually not about shaming you. it's a question about donald trump. you've endorsed donald trump for president. donald trump has been found liable for rape by a jury. donald trump has been found

liable for defaming the victim of that rape by a jury. it's been affirmed by a judge -- >> it was not a criminal court case, number one. number two, i live with shame. and you're asking me a question about my political choices trying to shame me as a rape victim and i find it disgusting. this is why women won't come forward. >> women won't come forward because they're defamed by those who perpetrate rape. >> they are judged and they're shamed. you're trying to shame me this morning. >> i'm not shaming you at all -- >> i told my story. it took me 25 years to tell my story. i was judged for it. i'm still judged for it today. >> i asked you a very simple question bsh. >> you're shaming me for my political choices. >> i'm asking you a question about why you endorse someone who's been found liable for rape. >> it was not a criminal court. >> so many women who are victims of this crime do not reach the point where the people who rape them ever pay any price in a civil or criminal court of law because of people denying the

truth of the crime. and i think e. jean carroll dealt with this beautifully. she tweeted this. "thank you, george stephanopoulos, for valentinely defending me. i wish representative nancy mace well and i salute all survivors for their strength, endurance and holding on to their sanity." which was a beautiful thing to say. but e. jean carroll shouldn't have to rely on a journalist defending her. and this is the sort of post-fact america that trump forces all his supporters to live in, where nancy mace is -- i don't even know what she was trying to say, that a rape conviction in civil court, a rape judgment isn't a judgment at all? it's nonsensical. >> well, first of all, i want to say what i think nancy mace is doing, you know this better than anyone, nicolle, as a coms professional, is message adherence. right? she was trying to say nothing by continuing to advance her narrative about you're trying to shame me. what she was trying not to do was answer a very legitimate

question posed to her as somebody who's advocated for victims of sexual assault and rape. how do you square your support of donald trump and the advocacy that you have done on behalf of yourself and hundreds of thousands of other victims of rape and sexual assault? that's a legitimate question for any prominent woman who supports donald trump laet loan one who publicly identifies herself as a victim of sexual assault. i have deepest empathy for nancy mace and what she's gone through. i don't believe that she has a pass on what was indeed a legitimate question from george stephanopoulos. and i agree with you, e. jean carroll shouldn't have to rely on george stephanopoulos. but i also want to suggest to you e. jean carroll doesn't need anyone to rescue her. e. jean carroll at 80-plus years old has more strength than almost anyone i'd met in my entire life. i'd be hard pressed to come up with someone that i've met that has more fortitude than e. jean carroll has in one of her fingers. >> that's absolutely right. i mean, she sat at this table.

she's stunning in her steeliness. and it's disgusting that in 2024 we still have to talk around and around the bush about what the definition of rape is or what the judgment of rape is. and the republicans have put themselves in this position of having to twist themselves around and around. but the die was cast when the "access hollywood" tape came out. and frankly i bring that up because it entered into this trial. >> it did. >> because he was describing the act that he was found liable for basically. >> right. and i think what's happened here is especially for republican women they can't figure out how to square that -- >> it can't be squared. >> that's the point. it can't be. and so they dance around all of this, defending a man that they know is a sexual predator. that's what he is. and he's demonstrated that over and over again. nancy mace knows that, but she also knows that she was seeking that trump endorsement.

and what happened over this last weekend? she got it. so finding a political end for something that she knows is wrong. so i think that, you know, in listening to nancy mace, i mean, she just tried to go all around that circle trying to figure out how she could answer without ever answering. and this is the dilemma that all these republicans find themselves in. defending somebody who is a law breaker, who's lawless and who's a sexual predator. >> i want to come back to your political analysis, andrew weissmann, because i'm determined to pull you in too to doing double duty as our legal scholar in our analyst. just since we've been on the air based on new reporting from jim sciutto in his new book, we learned about the depths of donald trump's admiration for hitler. you just made a very legitimate defensible sort of description of his embrace of his own rule

and sort of judgment-breaking behavior, calling him an outlaw. and then that kimmel clip, i mean, that is the ultimate sort of loser hate watching a crowd that he smears hollywood regularly. what is he even doing watching the oscars? and kimmel gets the better of him over and over again as he reads that, and everyone in the room is laughing at trump. to run as sort of a party pooper loser, hate watcher people don't like him, an outlaw and hitler lover says something really unbelievable as we sit here in march of an election year. >> well, to tie those two thoughts together in terminals of what we've been talking about in terms of nancy race and what he's been doing and how he's been portraying himself is he -- people so debase themselves and he has debased the country in terms of how he behaves but then

the fact that it is embraced, that somebody who was the victim of sexual assault and rape has to still then figure out how i'm going to sort of embrace this conduct and this person, and you see it in the country. i really can't believe that there's a majority of this country that thinks that you want the president of the united states to be teasing people, whether it's a journalist as he did when he ran the first time, or the current president in terms of a stutter and overcoming that, and this sort of child-like, childish bullying behavior, it's so demeaning to people and people in embracing it are demeaning themselves. and in terms of where the country is, because there are always going to be people like

donald trump, but it's so disheartening in terms of who we are and what we've become where i think -- all of us when we grew up and we're thinking of the president regardless of whether it was a democrat or republican, that was somebody you looked up to. and there was respect for the office. and that is -- everything we're talking about is this problem of what he's doing for the country and the reflection back on what it means about us. >> so true. all right. no one's going anywhere. when we come back, two weeks to go before jury selection is set to begin in the disgraced ex-president's first criminal trial. once again he's doing whatever he can do to delay that and to block the hush money trial in new york from ever even starting. we'll tell you about that next. and later, our series "american autocracy: it could happen

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we are exactly two weeks out from the scheduled start of donald trump's first, possibly only criminal trial, it's the one in new york, and the ex-president seeking to derail it and delay it by any and all means possible. in court documents filed today his lawyers argued that manhattan district attorney alvin bragg's case against

donald trump should be paused until the supreme court weighs in on the scope of his so-called presidential immunity. they are set to hear arguments on that issue on april 25th. trump's lawyers argue that prosecutors have suggested that they will introduce, quote, several types of evidence that implicate the concept of official acts for purposes of presidential immunity. part of the potential evidence that they argue should be precluded from being used at trial include trump's public statements about michael cohen because, they argue, he made those statements in his official capacity as president. we're back with andrew, lisa and donna. lisa, translate. >> this is a hail mary to end all hail marys. we've got jury selection starting in two weeks. but more importantly, nicolle, i just want to take a step back and let our viewers know, donald trump waived an immunity defense in this case months and months and months ago. he tried to float it in trying to get his case removed to

federal court. it was soundly rejected by a federal judge. he initially tried to appeal. and when he realized that that appeal would conflict with arguments he was advancing in the 14th amendment cases he withdrew that appeal last november. and now suddenly two weeks until the start of jury selection he's not saying he's immune from the entire suit because he knows he's waived that argument. what he's saying is because the state intends to introduce evidence about statements that he made when he was already president this court should wait to hear the scope of his immunity defense if any. we know that oral argument is not until april 25th. there is no valid presidential immunity defense as applied to trump's tweets about michael cohen, for example. in fact, the entire case is about personal acts. things that donald trump did to disguise the fact that he had engaged in campaign finance violations with michael cohen and others including the folks at the "national enquirer." there is nothing official about that. when you are acting in your

capacity as a candidate and thereafter to cover up what you did as a candidate, that's inherently not official. and yet they are making this horribly specious argument and at the same time telling judge aileen cannon in florida that they need more time in her case. why? because they're going to trial on march 25th as they attempt to adjourn it. they are playing judges off of each other with a sort of casualness that's almost breathtaking. >> i guess, andrew, i've stopped asking why they do it because it's clear that it's working. will this work? >> i agree with you, this is one where -- you know, as defense counsel if there's like a 1% chance that something might work, assuming that you have a good faith basis, you may make the argument. with judge cannon it's working. with the supreme court it is working. i do not think it will work with judge merchant.

that is the judge who's overseeing the new york criminal case. but i'm sure they're going to appeal his ruling and see if they can get the case stayed, which just to be clear is not the action of an innocent person. someone running for office would normally want to clear her name, would not be sitting there saying i don't want a criminal trial. they'd be saying i didn't do anything wrong and i want my day in court. so here you've got the reverse. whether it's jack smith in the d.c. case or the mar-a-lago case or alvin bragg in the new york case. they're all wanting a day in court. that's actually providing the defendant process. they want to give the defendant his day in court. and donald trump is saying whoa, i don't want my day in court, i do not want to have a forum where the facts and the law will matter, i'm happy to engage in adjectives and adverbs and just

what i say about the case, i do not need people to hear any other story. >> his public statements aren't even to really deny the facts of any of these issues that he's facing legally. >> well, this is what we expected of donald trump and especially as these cases emerged in all these different jurisdictions, that he would use his ability to play these cases off of one another, to play the judges off of one another, and to continue to make his argument publicly because he knows it's working for him politically. so no surprise there. but i think the challenge is going to be how to figure out how to get one of these cases into a courthouse by -- before the election rolls around. and it may be this march 24th date is the one to do that. >> andrew, i think nikki haley started publicly talking about the need to try trump for his alleged crimes. chris christie's campaign i

believe had some polling that showed that if convicted by any of these -- in any of these trials that the bottom falls out of his support. you look at how hard he's fought not to be on trial anywhere. i mean, what do you -- what does the supreme court say its reasoning it for hearing, as lisa just heard, a specious legal argument about immunity? i mean, this is absolutely stepping into something that trump is telling all of us he doesn't want to happen. he doesn't want to face any accountability in the legal system, as anybody else would, as his own followers did for their crimes on january 6th. what is the other side of the equation sort of say to itself or say in law school lectures or in dark rooms or, i don't know, wherever people like that hang out? >> so there are sort of two issues. there's the issue of the new york case and the motion that was just made.

i am confident that the judge -- the lowest court, the trial court will say no. but then there's the issue of whether some higher court up to and including the supreme court would stay the case based on the arguments. these are much, much more frivolous, as lisa has pointed out. but to your point about why is the supreme court doing what it's doing, unfortunately, i think that the answer to that is although what's before that court is just the issue of presidential immunity, that's an important issue, but that's one that both sides should want to have decided quickly. the whole point of it being heard now is because -- and not waiting for a trial is because both sides normally have an interest in having that decided very quickly because the government obviously wants to get through that and go to trial. the defense usually is saying -- donald trump's saying i should not be under indictment at all, i should not have a gag order

that's hurting me from campaigning. so he should want it quickly. but i think what he is doing and what the supreme court has abetted here is not having a trial at all, by staying -- is really not looking at the issue before them but looking at the big picture, which is not actually having a forum to hear this case. but i do think with respect to the new york case it is a much harder argument for the supreme court, for some federal court to step in and say that these charges, what is the actual charges, do not relate in any way to conduct that donald trump took in his official capacity as president of the united states. it is simply not the case that paying hush money to a porn star to keep information from getting to the public in a campaign -- remember, that was the goal, to get it out of the public discourse in the campaign. that is not a presidential function. and it will be very hard for

anyone to make that argument. and using evidence that comes from a time frame that donald trump was president is not something that is precluded just because you happen to be president. any more than if he was president and said i sexually assaulted e. jean carroll or i paid hush money to a porn star, the fact that he said it while president does not make it immune from coming into evidence. >> do you think andrew weissmann 2024 ten years ago could have imagined writing the sentence "writing your hush money checks from the oval does not constitute an official act" to any cable news -- could you imagine having this conversation ten years ago, andrew weissmann? >> no, i could not. this is -- but i also, nicolle, didn't think i would be in a situation where the country is in the shape it's in where we're having this kind of conversation --

>> yeah, i only laugh so i don't cry. yeah. i only laugh so i don't cry. but we need indeed your brilliant minds to articulate to me like me that aren't lawyers that your lush money checks paid through michael cohen who went to jail so you didn't have to -- it's great clarity for me. but sometimes i just have to shout out from earth one that omfg. when we come back, we will continue our series on american autocracy, it could happen here. we will be joined by the legendary documentary filmmaker ken burns who traced the history of america's response to the rise of nazi germany in the '30s. you don't want to miss this. stay with us. you don't want to . stay with us arting a business is never easy, but starting it eight months pregnant... that's a different story. i couldn't slow down. we were starting a business from the ground up. people were showing up left and right. and so did our business needs the chase ink card made it easy. when you go for something big like this, your kids see that.

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in january 1941 franklin roosevelt came to this chamber to speak to the nation. he said, "i address you at a moment unprecedented in the history of the union." hitler was on the march. war was raging in europe. president roosevelt's purpose was to wake up congress and alert the american people that this was no ordinary time. >> not since fdr has an american president felt the need to start the state of the union by talking about hitler and nazi germany. yet that was thursday night. here we are. thanks to donald trump's obsession with dictators past and present, including hitler.

donald trump allegedly believed hitler, quote, did some good things. we're learning more about that today. it's clear that now if you signal you're kind of okay with hitler instead of being disqualified, instead of the country falling into a debate about whether you should be replaced on the republican ticket, it will be tolerated or maybe even celebrated by the base of the republican party and all of trump's enablers. the sudden bout of indifference or amnesia about the clear and present danger trump's embrace of dictators poses to all of us is something history reminds us we do at our own peril. it's something we've been exploring and digging into in our series "american autocracy: it could happen here." this threat, this specific threat of history repeating itself, has been hauntingly explained by an american hero named guy stern. guy stern escaped nazi germany at the age of 15 only to return as a member of the legendary

ritchie boys. now, the ritchie boys were a secret american intelligence unit many of whom, like stern, were german-born jews who used their knowledge of the german language and german culture to interrogate captured nazi soldiers. the ritchie boys were responsible for most of the combat intelligence the united states got from the front lines. stern was awarded the bronze star. but his entire family perished at the hands of the nazis. guy stern passed away in december at the age of 101. but he never stopped warning us about forgetting these lessons, about the danger of forgetting the lessons we learn from history. this is what he told our friend filmmaker ken burns. >> we have seen the nadir of human behavior and we have no guarantee that evil won't recur. if we can make that clear and

graphic and understandable, not as something to imitate but as a warning of what can happen to human beings, then perhaps we have one shield against its recurrence. >> one shield. joining us now, emmy award-winning filmmaker, documentarian, we've called you a legend already, we'll do it to your face. ken burns, we're so glad you're here. >> i'm so glad to be with you. welcome back, nicolle. we missed you. >> thank you. thank you so much. i mean, this maybe is all that we should be doing, right? maybe all we should be doing is using our space to remind people what history teaches us. >> in a place where there's so much disinformation and misinformation there's also bullying and making the other of somebody, we are desperately in need of the kind of clear-eyed view of guy stern.

he lived to be 101 because he had escaped. he'd been the one selected from his family to go to the united states to try to get the others out. he couldn't get them out. he joined the army. he went -- he lost everybody. and he has borne witness to that. just back up a little bit. you were asking andrew a really good question. ten years ago could you have thought of this? let's say in 1932 you wanted to be in the most civilized, cosmopolitan place on the planet, you know, where everything was new in literature, in architecture, in music, in cinema, in ideas. there would be no better place in 1932 than berlin. the next january, not so much. and so we realize how precipitously we fall. i'm now working on a film, i mean, this one in guy's words continue to resonate with us and we're talking about it daily, but we've been working on a film

about the american revolution, like where we came from, where we are born. and for me it's a kind of reverse engineering that can take place. a few lines past the famous lines of the declaration we know and quote the second sentence jefferson has said "all experience has shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer while evils are sufferable." what he's saying there to all of us is that heretofore all human beings have been subjects. they've been under authoritarian rule. and we're suggesting that there could be a new version of this, that you could be actually a thing called a citizen instead of a subject, that you could be not a superstitious peasant filled with that misinformation, that disinformation, that bullying, but you could be something else. that's the promise of the united states. it didn't fulfill it at any point for everyone, but we were at the very beginning wrestling with the noblest aspirations of

humankind. and they had nothing to do with authoritarianism. and now we find ourselves in this improbable please wake me from this nightmare dream that these things are possible here. it can happen here. and we do have the momentum of most of human existence to show that it could, that we have been an outlier and then a kind of inspirer of others to resist this tide and that we have held high in washington's resigning his military commission, in him resigning from the -- not leaving after two terms, of this idea that the highest office in the land is a citizen. but there are people and tendencies, human nature doesn't change, history doesn't repeat itself but human nature doesn't change, and so we find people relentlessly drawn to these power moves, this bullying, this dissonance, the vulgarity that

authoritarianism is. >> to take guy stern's story and the exquisite clip of him and his warning, i mean, it just -- it brings tears to my eyes. at the end of a broadcast that started with jim sciutto's new reporting about john kelly having to sit trump down and say you can never say hitler did good things. because we're not just talking about -- right? we're talking about our obligations as citizens. we're not just talking about citizens. we're talking about someone who ended america's tradition of a peaceful transfer of power. how did we get right here? >> yeah, i've asked myself this question through all of the studies. you know, there have been demagogues, dangerous ones, in the history of the united states. huey long for one. i made a film about him 40 years ago. but he was a populist who actually delivered to the poor. we have somebody who delivered a tax break to his wealthy friends and then stacked the supreme court with people who would vote his way on divisive issues that

set everybody against themselves. so one of the biggest things in authoritarianism is you have to create an enemy, a them. it's not us, the united states, capital, lower case us, and also we and our. it's always them and they're doing something like that. so we've got this situation. so i think somewhere along the line the republican party when communism disappeared at the end of the '80s and the early '90s lost its enemy. and when you didn't have something to make an enemy of, who did they turn to? bill clinton. and then later by extension all democrats. distracted by terrorism, distracted by other things in which we could force our gaze outward. but when you've created a circumstance where you have got a large segment of the population believing that the opposite party are actually evil, in some cases blood-sucking pedophiles, that people actually believe, that's the end of civil discourse. that's the end of

bipartisanship. that's the end of compromise. and then the biproduct of that is that slippery slope that permits you to have more restrictive laws, more fundamentalist laws. it's the only things in sort of a manachean black and white. when we know how complex and diverse and rich our society is. and then as our founders feared from the very beginning they tried to reverse engineer too, well, what if somebody tries to do this, what if they do this, they were always worried about a demagogue who would come along and exploit this. and so when a demagogue comes along and exploits this every alarm must be going off. you're talking about weeping for your -- i want my country back. i want why is it -- one of the first things, you can judge somebody by the company they keep. and the four horsemen of the apocalypse, you know, orban and putin and xi and kim jong un. you know, these are repressive, murderous individuals.

and orban takes over the press, eliminates dissenting parties, co-opts the courts. and so what your discussions have been most of the day is about delays in courts, about peaceful transfer of power, about the independence of that judiciary. and so there's -- this is all the playbook of authorityians for as long as there have been authoritarians. and we ought to be standing in every middlesex village and town and screaming at the loudest that this is not us. >> yeah. i want to put to you a question on the other side of a break that i put to liz cheney, that i put to people who study autocracies, about where we are in our slide and can we still -- can we still make a u-turn. don't go anywhere. we have to fit in a quick break. ken burns will be right back with us. ken burns will be right back with us. [paparazzi taking pictures] introducing, ned's plaque psoriasis. ned, ned, who are you wearing? he thinks his flaky red patches are all people see

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at this point i want to make it to 250. the revolution started in '75 and our sfim going to come out in '25, the 250th anniversary of the beginning of the war. sliding in under the tag, but you know, we've got to do it. there's a wonderful character we've met in the course of doing the american revolution, that's thomas payne who comes from england kind of a failure in everything except understanding what exactlyyt this business is. and he said man finds that the strength and powers of despot mds consist wholly in the fear ofco resisting it and that in

order to be free it is sufficient that he wills it. so there's a big challenge for us as there was back in 1776, is that we have to actually understand what the stakes are. and unfortunately, there's so much disinformation that we don't have that confidence. if everybody that voted for joe biden votes again then we're home-free if they're distributed the way they were distributed in georgia, pennsylvania, wisconsin, michigan, and new hampshire, et cetera. but we don't have those assurances. and a lot of that has to do with this flirtation which you see everywhere in the world for the trains to run on time. and what will it take for us to recapture our birthright, which was this idea we didn't extend to everyone, not women, not native americans, not blacks enslaved or free, but we

initiated this series of revolutions that took place that spread over theth world. and nowre we see a great and i suppose lawful retrenchment as those interests. people talk about the deep state. it in f. there was a deep state donald trump would have disappeared a t long time ago, right? the deep state are just the moneyed interests and the people who want the simple way, the shortest distance between points. and that doesn't work in a democracy when we have so manya competing interests. just be on guard for these things. finally at the end of the day if you don't vote and you wake up having lost this, it's on us. it's on us. >> i got chills. g can we continue to have these conversations this year?ot >> yeah, yeah. no, no, no. we have to, keep having the conversations to talk about it. it's so interesting. you know, i was reading up on huey long thinking about talkin

to you about this demagoguery that nonetheless people in louisiana would sayat oh, he's delivering good to the poor and hospitals and roads and bridges andan he did all that infrastructure, stuff that joe biden is doing and is being ridiculed and voted against though people are happy to go back to their districts and take credit for it. but at one point he told a group of senators that a mob would attack the capitol bent on hanging themap from the rafters. and huey long said i have to determine, hueyid long said, whether i will stay and be hung with you or go out and lead the mob. >> that's incredible. it's all in there, right? >> nobody laughed. it's all in there. i mean, history doesn't repeat s itself, it rhymes. and that's what we're hearing, are these dangerous, dangerous rhymes. and we are obligated to sort of wakeat up and really sort of se who this man is, what the situation is, and save our democracy. and only we can do it. it happens at the ballot box. >> all right. b

we're going to continue to call on you. whenever i ask people on live tv it's hard to say no. soto we'll continue to call on you. thank you so much for starting the conversation with us today. there.l be >> ken's new digital platform unumla allows you to navigate american history through u ken' vast body of award-winning films. a quick break for us. we'll be right back. lms. a quick break for us we'll be right back. the will states that mr. marbles will receive

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