done. this is unacceptable. this is a beautiful country. the scenes that we are seeing is a snapshot it does not represent the beauty of haiti and i wish that we could get to a point where we could show different photos and the reality on top of that. >> haiti is a beautiful country and a heroic country that liberated itself from enslavement and has been punished ever since. it deserves to succeed. is there a leader that has emerged, that is a trusted person, that might be able to assume leadership in that country, very quickly? >> no, not at all. everyone has left the country. no, no, not going to work. >> gary pierre, make you so much. all in with chris hayes starts right now.

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good evening from new york. the house of representatives passed a bill today which could eventually lead to the banning of tiktok. the chinese social media app used by someone hundred 50 million americans. it was a somewhat surprising move from congress in this respect. this congress has not been known to pass a lot of bipartisan legislation. but that's what this was. it passed 352-65. basically, nothing passes by those margins. and it cut against traditional lines, it earned the support of both the far right speaker of the house mike johnson and his democrats -- democratic predecessor nancy pelosi, but was opposed. on the substance here, this is a thorny issue. personally i find myself compelled by arguments on both sides, on the one hand, tiktok is an incredibly popular tool. a third of americans under 30 say they get their news

regularly, from the app. and no one has any insight into its internal workings meaning, we don't know exactly who's getting to show what or for what reason, there's just no way to have any sense of how the algorithm actually works. a recent report warns that the app was full of chinese run propaganda accounts targeting political candidates, and the app attempted to magnify social divisions in the usa in the run- up to the 2022 midterm elections. that gets to the heart of the problem. there's not that much congress can do in a deep sense to regulate, or at least, tiktok is not accountable primarily to u.s. regulators. it's primarily and fundamentally accountable to the chinese government. and the chinese government gets

to tell it what to do. it's also true american social media companies like facebook are sure as heck not allowed to operate in china. so just from a fair trade argument, you could say, the same standards should apply to chinese platforms here. on the other hand, every point that i just made about the opaque algorithm, the risk of misinformation and disinformation, seeking to exacerbate u.s. divisions, all of that could be made about all of those american competitors, who are we kidding? but as you watch this legislation voted in today and the debate, and also highlights an essential question about how democracy functions, how legislation is made and fundamentally what we want our political representatives to do. essentially we want them to evaluate arguments and assess costs and benefits, listen to different interests and constituents and make good faith judgments about what they think is best for the country and for the people they

represent. what we don't want our representatives doing is what happens to much in washington, frankly, which is siding with the folks who write the biggest checks. and that's particularly true if the politician in question is in desperate financial straits and willing to do anything including selling off their own political platform to any person willing to pony up the most cash. which brings us to the most prominent republican opponent of today's bill, one donald trump. the ex-president we should note is a bit of a late convert to the pro tiktok cause, here he is as president, four years ago, threatening to ban the app out right. >> we are looking at tiktok, we may be banning tiktok, we may be doing some other things, there are a couple of options but a lot of things are happening so we will see what happens but we are looking at a lot of alternatives with respect to tiktok. >> he tried to go through with the band but it was thrown out by the courts but here he is, two days ago, in the run-up to

this vote, two days ago, on cnbc announcing opposing a band. >> frankly there are a lot of people on tiktok that love it, a lot of young kids on tiktok who will go crazy without it. there are a lot of users you know, there's a lot of good and a lot of bad with tiktok but, the thing i don't like is that without tiktok, you are going to make facebook bigger and i consider facebook to be an enemy of the people. >> right, you may remember facebook fan him, trump has a vendetta against mark zuckerberg. it wasn't like he was sitting there like let's look at the pros and cons, someone get this all together me, no, get this, it was two weeks ago, when this vote was scheduled, everybody knew it was going to happen that a republican make a donor, that guy named jeff yes, made the pilgrimage down to mar-a- lago to kiss trump's rang and it was notable because he has

previously been something of a trump skeptic, it's also notable because yass cofounded a trading firm that owns 15% of tiktok's company and has a personal stake in the company worth tens of billions of dollars. he was an enormous republican donor, he has a lot riding on this decision, okay? you don't have to be a genius to put two and two together, yass visits, trump announces that he opposes the van in fact even steve bannon figured it out. taking to a fringe right-wing social from fisher an article about the flip-flop with the caption of yass. and thanks to mcconnell and the john roberts supreme court we effectively have no real actual meaningful campaign finance regulations left in the country which means someone like yass who has billions of dollars on the line, can write a billion-

dollar check to donald trump's super pac if he is so inclined and might get a good return on the investment social, is no surprise that the ex-president left the meeting with a newfound appreciation for tiktok. and here's the thing ladies and gentlemen, this is not a one off. i'm telling you right now, this is the way policy is going to get formed in this campaign and in a possible trump term especially when the man is in acute financial distress, and does not have the liquidity to pony up the $600 million he owes in legal penalties. he's also way behind in fundraising partly because he and his operation have already cannibalized huge amounts of small dollar donations already, in order to pay off tens of millions of dollars in legal fees, legal fees that aren't going anywhere and are probably going to get worse. a core part of the deal back in 2016 was this like, that his personal wealth i'm a big billionaire, would allow him to self-funded his campaign and make them immune to outside

influence. >> hillary clinton's campaign is funded by wall street and hedge fund managers. my campaign is powered by my money. >> i'm self-funded, i'm not controlled by all these people that control ted cruz, hillary, crooked, crooked, crooked hillary. >> i have tens and tens of millions of dollars, nobody else does. i put my own money into this. >> okay, that was always a lie, he raised huge sums of money from donors in that campaign. but right now, he is more beholden to donors and the donor class than ever before. he owes hundreds of millions of dollars. the small donations that may have been just cranking, right, they are showing signs of running dry, there's almost only so many $10 donations you can get out of people and so, name your price, billionaires, donald trump's political visions are for sale. he's flip-flopping with cutting

things like medicare and social security. again, it is what extremely wealthy donors want to see. the ex-president is strapped for cash on the republican platform and america's governing agenda perhaps, is up for auction to the highest bidder. joining me as one of the co- authors of this bill which could then tiktok, he serves on the intelligence committee and the china special committee, congressman, i guess i would say first, it's striking that given donald trump's opposition to the border bill, and to ukraine funding, essentially acting as a veto, that him coming out to oppose this bill did nothing, it didn't seem to affect him in any way today. >> yeah, you are correct, i

think look, people saw it as a flip-flop, they knew as i was talking to my republican colleagues on the other side, they saw this as a transaction that he had engaged in and it doesn't affect the way that they would end up floating. all that being said, i think, for a certain period of time, the folks on the other side who are whipping the votes were monitoring closely to see what would happen but they didn't see an appreciable change in people's position. >> i want to give you arguments i heard against this bill, or concerns that people have. the first is prioritization, i mean, i talk to people in the last few days were like really, banning tiktok? it seems like there's a lot the country needs right now. we haven't passed the ukraine funding bill, there are enormous priorities in our country all along like, it's a little weird that this is so pressing, we've got to ban tiktok, what do you say to

that? >> first of all, you are right, we have to do the special supplemental aid to ukraine for instance, and we need to do it, we should have done it months ago, and i think at this point, i don't control what comes before the house but i know that this is also important, this particular bill. it's not a ban on tiktok but it is a forced divestiture of tiktok by bytedance, and bytedance as you know, is basically controlled by the chinese communist party, the editor and chief of bytedance is the secretary of the ccp cell embedded at the highest echelons of the company and he's been tasked with making sure that tiktok and all products adhere to correct political direction. so what we are asking and as part of this bill, requiring, is to reduce the ownership to beneath 20% which is the threshold by the way, for foreign ownership in any for instance broadcast outlet in the united states, and making sure that we delink the chinese

communist party's control of tiktok from its operation. >> my understanding is that everyone knows that the ccp will not allow for that so the result will be tiktok goes away , that's what understood to be the path forward? >> no, not necessarily, the economy in china is taking right now, chris, xi jinping, the paramount leader is trying to help resuscitate the chinese economy right now. and basically, there's been a shift in thinking about how they would view bytedance, and whether they would zero out that investment, which is worth billions and billions of dollars right now, even at the same time they're trying to resuscitate their economy. i think that whatever happens, it's up to bytedance and beijing, but we don't want beijing to control this platform

. >> there's another argument that i've seen, which is basically look, we have foreign companies that operate in the u.s. all the time, and we have regulations that all companies have to adhere to. if you are a foreign car manufacturer anyone to sell here, it's got to comply with what the regulators say like if there are concerns about control, data privacy, whatever, you could just pass some package of regulations for all social media apps and say this is the standard, doesn't matter if your instagram or tiktok, you have to abide but we are just going after tiktok, why? >> you can't regulate the ccp. it's one thing if there was truly a private entity that was investing here and it's not a foreign adversary, controlled entity investing here but what we have is the ccp controlling this entity and as a consequence

-- >> let me stop you there. what does that mean? when you say the ccp controls it. there's a lot of things that could mean like there's someone sitting there with a button like show chris hayes this or there someone at the top making sure like it cascades down, put some meat on the bones of that assertion. >> sure, there are a couple of laws in place in china, the national security law of 2017 which requires that any company in china, must provide access to the ccp, to all of its data, on any user, anywhere in the world, any customer or client, anywhere in the world. in addition there something called the 1993 company law in china which requires that the ccp embed a cell, a party sell at the highest ranks of the country to ultimately control the company's operations, both of those are in effect with effect to bytedance, now tiktok

repeatedly has tried to assure american regulators that they can divorce themselves from bytedance and their control and ultimately the ccp's control but however, repeatedly the representations have been false, first, they claimed that american user data would be stored here in america or in singapore. that was false. a lot of the data is stored on prc servers including sensitive financial data, second, they claimed that nobody in china would be able to access this american user data, that was also proven to be false because people in china, routinely engineers in china routinely access the data, even unbeknownst to tiktok usa employees, and third and finally, they claim none of this data had ever been weaponized against americans. that was false. the best example of this was

the surveillance of american journalist, using their geolocation data on tiktok because they had revealed that the previous representations have been false, so when they keep making these false representations and not being candid, that further makes lawmakers very suspicious. >> congressman, you announced a big victory today, we will see where it goes in the senate. thanks for joining us. coming up, and a consequential week for the georgia prosecution, it's not the big decision that you thought it would be but it has a lot of effect, what does it mean for the case against the ex-president, we will get into ase it, next. it, next. work with advisors who create a plan with you, and help you find the right investments. so great getting to know you, let's take a look at your new investment plan. ok, great! this should have you moving in the right direction. thanks jen.

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today the fulton county superior court judge dismissed six counts in donald trump's georgia election interference case including three against the ex-president bring his indictment total from 91 to a much more manageable, 88. the judge to say prosecutors and seek new indictments to restore that. this is the first of two rulings we are expecting. the second of course the rolling on -- disqualifying fani willis over what the defense contends is a contract -- conflict of interest. some of what the judge today could shed some light on how he may rule on that. joining me now to decode the ruling is katie saying, former prosecutor, you've been

following this case almost closer than anyone else. first, just take us through what arguments the defense made about the charges here and why the judge felt compelled to discard them? >> so there is a vehicle and criminal procedure in georgia call is national demurrer and basically it's the defense saying we need more specificity if we want to be able to adequately prepare our defense against the charges that have been set forth in the indictment and judge mcafee found that in certain respects, some of the counts of the indictment that was returned by a grand jury, i want to emphasize that, some of these counts actually did meet that standard to be meriting eating dismissed pursuant to a special demurrer, the idea is it's all the same charges, solicitation of a state official to violate and overcome all of these state officials, they all took an oath, and what judge mcafee

said was look, if you're going to charge these particular defendants, what you are going to have to do is the constitution and the georgia constitution have so many different amendments, clauses, you've got to be able to specify which of those clauses of the constitutions were violated by these particular defendants. that is it. and as you noted in the setup, chris, the judge made sure it was clear for him to note in a footnote, the entire indictment is not dismissed, fani willis can seek the indictment on these particular charges with a grand jury. she can seek to appeal it or she can cut her losses right now and say i'm good to go but otherwise, this is only a temporary dismissal without prejudice and she could seek recourse to get them back. >> if we can put up the charges, i remember when this came out, we were poring through it, i remember thinking, solicitation of violation of oath by public officers, these are three of the ones that were dismissed, i

was like i don't think i thought of that as a crime or never seen that before and basically, what the judge was saying is that, it's too vague to be chargeable, essentially. >> it's too vague as written in the indictment, so, under georgia law, the district attorney has two chances to get it right and under georgia law if you don't get it right then it's dismissed with prejudice but the biggie is count one, that's the ricoh count and we talked about this a lot, in georgia, the ricoh state statute in georgia allows for a standalone crime of ricoh, and then you set forth a different over acts that were committed by this big conspiracy across the united states of the charge defendants and uncharged co- conspirators. the famous phone call, find me the votes that people think is now gone, it's not gone, it's still an overt act that's a part of count one that is the ricoh count and the judge made sure to make clear that the other counts were not gone.

>> i mentioned there's another ruling, the big one we're waiting on which is, how judge mcafee roles on the motion by the defense to dismiss fani willis from the case. do you think we got any light, is there any indication from this ruling on how that ruling may come down and when do we expect it? >> we expect by friday, i think as you and i know some news dumps happen at friday at 5:00. reading tea leaves little bit, why would judge mcafee entered the order he did today, cleaning up the indictment if his intent was to disqualify fani willis and if she's disqualified, her entire office is gone, the case has to be reassigned and that's going to take time but judge mcafee

noted that she has six months to be able to get this right in terms of the superseding indictment and i don't think he would do that knowing there's a potential for the six-month period to run if there's no tolling of that six month period, so it wouldn't make sense, if you have to go back to the grand jury, chris, which grand jury will you go back to if you disqualify fani willis, i mean it's reading tea leaves but i think we are going to have to wait and see. >> thank you very much. katie phang, pleasure, as always. after house democrats grill robert hur about what he left out of his report, congressman swallwell joined me next. it lte on the app. ( ♪♪ ) meanwhile, at a vrbo... when other vacation rentals aren't what they're cracked up to be, try one where you'll know what you get.

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since the day he was inaugurated president, republicans have one or to impeach joe biden. but it's become increasingly clear that the effort is an embarrassing debacle, so yesterday was kind of their second-best chance to have a big moment, it was a public hearing with the special counsel who went out of his way to disparage the president and his report after concluding there was no evidence he did any crimes. the hearing did not go quite as republicans had planned. democrats ready to confront special counsel robert hur about his report, constant eric swalwell laid out the record of the president who appointed him. >> you want to be received as credible, right? >> that would be helpful, yes.

>> a lot has changed since 2018 for the person who appointed you, former president trump rates since you were appointed he was impeached for leveraging 350 -- three $50 million to get dirt on president biden, he was impeached a second time for inciting an insurrection. he was charged for possessing classified documents and obstructing justice. he was charged for paying for the silence of a star . he was charged in georgia, for his role in january 6th. he was charged in the district of columbia for his role in january 6th. he owes $400 million to the state of new york for defrauding the state through his taxes. and he has been judged a . you want to be perceived understandably, as credible and so i want to first see if you

will pledge to not accept an appointment from donald trump if he is elected again as president. >> congressman, i'm not here to text -- >> it seems like an easy answer. >> joining me now is congressman eric swalwell. you did not get a pledge to not take an appointment. what did you think about yesterday? >> first i want to make it clear that president biden is not charged, someone else who possessed classified materials, donald trump, was church. and special counsel robert hur , the word photographic just left off the page, in the conversation that biden and the special counsel were saying and he said your memory, your recall appears to be photographic. he didn't put that in the report and it seems to contradict the idea that biden had any memory issues. >> it did seem to me that the impeachment undertaking is collapsing under its own

weight. even a republican congressman mills, basically says we don't have the votes. >> a corner would pronounce it dead. it's not going anywhere. they don't have anything, they just don't accept joe biden as president but the cul-de-sac they are in is interesting because the marjorie taylor greene's and matt gaetz, they promised an impeachment vote is coming and now they say they will make a criminal referral. like how would you criminally refer somebody you are not willing to impeach. the whole point is that they committed a crime. so they are stuck and it's because they don't have anything. >> speaking of stock, we still don't have a vote on this aid package. i'm gob smacked that they have stopped it this long. there is one man who is stopping in, donald trump, we know that, and proximity to him is mike johnson. there are discharge petitions, that's like a west wing plot

plan, it's like brokered conventions, it's a way of doing a run around the speaker to get something to the floor, you need a majority of people to sign on. there are two discharge positions, competing, to try to get this to the floor. do you think those will be successful? >> i don't. i've signed one of them, but most republicans have shown that they will go all in with trump in the speaker has a number of ways to try and navigate around the discharge position. we really need to put this on him, either you are soft on russia or you're going to stand with freedom and ukraine. we need to pay them as soft on russia, soft on dictators and not the party that my two republican parents made me to believe they were. >> do you think that works, why does mike johnson care if you say that?

>> he cares because we will be voting in november. i think americans still believe that our country is strong in the world and we understand that freedom is effective. and the republicans tell us on china by the way, that they are strong on china and that they would defend taiwan and why would i think we will defend them if we are walking away from ukraine and why would any country help us defend taiwan if we can't even stay in the fight on russia. >> i wanted to ask you because you were on the other side of your colleague, you voted against this legislation that would force the sale of tiktok or ban it if it wasn't sold. >> this was not an easy one and i can see how people on all sides arrived at the conclusion. i just don't like anything that

feels like a ban on speech. i think there are a lot of other policies we can put in place to address issues around data, issues around privacy and control that the chinese government may have but for me, you know, i don't like republican bands on books were bands on bodies and i don't want anything that gets closer was having a ban on speech. also small businesses and young people, really do rely on tiktok and hundreds of millions of people watch the president's state of the union, on tiktok, that's how they received information about it. so it makes me nervous. >> the state of montana past statewide legislation to ban tiktok, it was the first of its kind in the country which has run into problems over first amendment concerns. but there are some real thorny

first amendment issues that have to be unwound by the court. >> that's why i think we should do this more broadly and as a parent of a six-year-old and five-year-old and two-year-old who will be going into the spacesuit, i would love for all social media companies to have more accountability and for us to have more regulations around, you know, algorithms and data and privacy rather than targeting one. >> can buck surprised leadership yesterday, he said he is out. i tried to explain this the other day why this is a big deal, almost every one retreats, you don't spend a lot of time all being together, the families come to the retreats, only 100 house republicans, less than half the caucus expected at this retreat. why is that a big deal, what does that say? >> morale is low and they don't have anything to a college. take chip roy at his word when he said i don't know why

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as we reporter, donald trump and joe biden became the presumptive nominees of their parties for president last night. they both have records to run on which i guess is why trump allies keep asking this question -- >> people look around and they say, am i better off now than i was four years ago, the answer to that is no. you can compare very easily how much better your life was with donald trump in office and how much worse you are now that joe biden is in office. >> the keep trying to squeeze out a little more juice from that ronald ragan slogan. but it is a good question. and republicans if the are going to keep asking, we should keep trying to answer it. so how good was your life four years ago, today, on march 13, 2020. on that day donald trump held a 72 minute long press conference

in the rose garden to address the coronavirus and so i want to show you what the press conference look like in relation to the actual facts of what was being reported on that very day. >> breaking news, president trump declaring the coronavirus a national emergency. >> a national emergency, two very big words. >> number of cases and the u.s. rising to 2000. at least 41 deaths, all schools closing and a growing number of states, millions of students impacted, houses of worship, suspending services, landmarks, theme parks, sporting events and concerts, shutting down. >> we don't people to take a test if we feel we should be doing it. 1.4 million tests on board next week. and 5 million within a

month, i doubt we will need anywhere near that. >> the testing crisis, drive- through stations overflowing, trump bowing to boost testing and saying he takes no responsibility for widespread delays. >> dr. fauci said that the lag in testing was in fact, a failing, do you take responsibility for that? >> i don't take responsibility at all. >> shells, cleared out. >> at this new york grocery store, customer stood for two hours to check out. i'll's usually chocolate toilet paper, paper towels, cold medicine, even pasta, now laid bare with nothing left. >> i showed up today and it was chaos. >> hospitals bracing for a possible surge in patients, already reporting shortages of masks and protective clothing. will there be enough beds? >> you said you don't take responsibility but you did disband the white house

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this morning it was reported that the republican senate retreat would feature a very high profile keynote speaker, israeli prime minister, benjamin netanyahu. at the last minute, he canceled and was replaced by the ambassador. he makes no secret about his preference for republicans in politics. recently, he has been in conflict with joe biden over the aims of israel in gaza, as the situation on the ground gets more dire by the day. more than 30,000 palestinians already dead, nearly 2 million displaced, and according to multiple ngos, hundreds of thousands right now at risk of starvation across the territory. last week, after the state of the union address, biden was caught on a hot microphone,

basically, saying that things were going to change for netanyahu. [ inaudible ]. >> don't repeat this, i'm on a hot microphone. the desire to prevent an israeli incursion into the city of rough, the last place where people sought refuge. there are 1.4 million palestinians there in tents. days later, netanyahu insisted that offensive, which the biden administration opposes will go forward. now, a group of democratic senators have sent a letter urging conditions on any arms shipments to israel. "the united states should not provide military assistance to any country that interferes with u.s. military and assistance." i'm joined by the lead signatory of that letter, senator bernie sanders of vermont. senator, what is your aim with

this letter? >> chris, my aim is to make it clear that israel is breaking the law. this is not debatable. section 6201 of the foreign policy act, the foreign assistance act, makes it clear that any country that interferes with the provision of u.s. humanitarian aid will not get funding from the united states of america, and that is, clearly, what israel is doing. what is going on, as you have just indicated, and i hope everybody understands it, is unprecedented. it is unspeakable. and, it's not just tens of thousands of people that have been killed and wounded. at this moment, chris, as we speak, hundreds of thousands of children are facing starvation. and, the reason for that is netanyahu's right-wing government is blocking the

borders and preventing a massive amount of a deaf aid that needs to get through, from getting through, and people are dying as a result. that is in violation of american law. we should stop funding netanyahu's war machine. >> the israeli government, particularly, the unity government that is running the war since the attack by hamas october 7th, they say they are not blocking aid. they say their blocking dual use goods, that they are letting aid through, that it's the fault of the age groups are the u.s. or others. you do not seem swayed by that contention. >> not all. everybody knows what's going on. several senators, senator van holland was there at the border. what they are doing is doing these checks, which take hours and hours and hours and slowing up the ability of trucks to get through. everybody knows that is the case, and that has got to change. we cannot, as a nation, be complicit in the starvation of

human beings and of children. >> there is an urgent humanitarian issue here, which is the fact that again, the u.n. world food program, cindy mccain, people that don't have a particular political dog in the fight are saying, look, this is an emergency situation of mass starvation. there is also a political ramifications in domestic politics, and just the fact that it seems clear, increasingly, that the politics for joe biden are basically the opposite of the politics for prime minister netanyahu, that the longer the war goes on, the more he is spared from the possibility of calls for new elections. his coalition is falling apart, whereas, the longer this goes, the worse it is for the democratic coalition, which is extremely torn apart on this issue. >> absolutely, and i would argue, chris, it's not just the democratic base and young

people, who are very, very distraught by what's going on, as they should be. it's people all across the world. if you are a conservative republican, you do not want america to be complicit in the starvation of children, and the bottom line is, the law is being broken. the law has got to be enforced, and if israel does not open those borders and allow the thousands of trucks that are needed to feed desperate people in, funding for israel, the israeli war machine, should stop. >> you have a new proposal this week that i just saw today, and i have actually been thinking about, because i have been doing research on the movement that pushed for the 40 hour workweek or eight hour workday for a book i'm writing, and the legislation would move past that to a 32 hour work week with no loss of pay, that it's not a radical idea. it's time for working people to

benefit from advancements in ai, automation, not just corporate ceos and wealthy stockholders on wall street. how would legislation like that were, actually? >> for a start, the 40 hour week , as i recall, was established in 1940. that is 83, 84 years ago. there have been a few modest changes in the economy over the last 84 years, and what has gone on is workers today are far more productive. think about all of the technology and equipment that is out there today, so the question that we are going to be asking tomorrow is, who benefits from all of the changes that have taken place in the economy, the new technology, and, by the way, the artificial intelligence, the robotics sitting around the corner, that is going to transform the entire economy? most people, if you have a job today, it will be very different from today, if you have that job, so what we are saying is,

with all of this new technology and increase in worker productivity, workers should benefit from these changes, not just large corporations and their stockholders. >> senator bernie sanders, always a pleasure, sir. thank you for joining us. >> thank you. he foresaw a day were the prime problem of american capitalism would be leisure, what to do with all of the leisure time, because he thought we would be sitting around, but it didn't work out that way. that is all in on this wednesday night. good evening, alex. >> it sure didn't work out that way. >> no, it did not. maybe we will get there with ai. >> at what cost? thank you, my friend. thank you to you at home for joining me this evening. in the summer of 2004, the war in iraq was raging. fighting had intensified and evidence of american torture had just come t