planned campaign trip and fund-raiser in texas today. vice president harris canceled a planned trip to a campaign in the state of florida, campaign event that was expected to focus on the red hot issue of abortion rights. again, all those campaign events and all campaign ads have stopped for now, and we don't know how long that will remain the case. president biden has now spoken publicly about the shooting a number of times, including a special primetime address to the nation last night. and in the interview just now with nbc new's own lester holt. he called for unity, he asked for the nation to lower the temperature, to focus political debates around policy and differing visions for the country. he told lester, at the very end as they were saying theirp thank yous and good night, he wanted him to come back for another interview where they could talk about the issues. meanwhile, former president

trump has changed his planned speech for this year's republican national convention, saying he will now focus on, quote, bringing the country together. we shall see. at the same time, the former president has moved forward with his own campaign plans, announcing that ohio senator jd vance will be his running mate. of all of the purported short list contenders for trump's running mate, jd vance considered to be the most radical choice in terms of his idealogical space on the idealogical number line and what he's articulated about what he thinks the powers of the president are and should be and what shump should do. he's talked openly about a president defying a ruling from the supreme court. he has said explicitly that had he been in mike pence's position on january 6th, 2021, he would have done what trump wanted. not what mike pence did, which was not give trump what he wanted which is why we still live in a republic. jd vance is radical both in

terms of what he thinks trump can do as president, also radical on policy. he wants a national abortion ban. he does not believe in exceptions even in the case where women have become pregnant as a result of rape or as a result of incest. he has said that women who are being violently abused by their husbands should not be allowed to get out of those marriages. jd vance is a choice and a half. also 39 years old, and is likely with this designation from donald trump today, likely to be the future face of the republican party, perhaps for decades to come. joining us now is former senator claire mccaskill, democrat of missouri. great to see you. thank you for being here. >> sure. >> what do you make of the choice of jd vance? >> well, it does not signal that trump is trying to soften any edges. and the only person who is more excited than jd vance this afternoon was vladimir putin. they dropped balloons from the

sky where putin was hanging out this afternoon. because jd vance has even said he doesn't care what happens to ukraine. think about that for a minute. the republican party that i knew, which was all about making sure that we were a beacon to democracies around the world, and that we would not ever stand by and do nothing while a despot, a thug would roll into another country and try to change its borders by force. and jd vance said he didn't really care about ukraine. so all the things you just listed, i would say this to the biden campaign. i think it's time to start campaigning again, like tomorrow. if you listen to ron johnson's speech tonight at the convention, if you saw some of the things trump said today, you know, it's time. listen, we all are shocked and horrified by what happened opsaturday. but as nicolle said, it's 115 days.

i want to get in this. i thought the president did a great job pivoting and punching on the lies that trump told in the debate tonight. i thought he's also done a very good job since saturday being a good guy. just being a good guy. a good normal guy. presidential, who wants the country to turn down the temperature, who abhors the violence in the political context. who reaches out to the widow. who reaches out to a guy who wouldn't even come to his inauguration. to make sure he was okay. that's the guy that got elected four years ago. so i will give the president this. i thought he has been very presidential and been the kind of guy that people want instead of the chaos represented by the other side. >> claire, do you think there is a fine line to draw or there's any sort of adjustment that needs to happen to bring the temperature down, as you said,

which was the president's words in his oval office address, but also to keep the focus on trump and to be unrelenting in terms of, and uncompromising in pointing out what the dangers are of trump and what's wrong with what he's proposing for the country and with what he would represent in his second term? can you do the latter while also keeping the temperature cool and not worrying about contributing to what has been an increasingly radicalized and now we have seen violent environment? >> yeah, i think you can. i think you can do it by a little bit of what he did tonight with lester holt. saying hey, listen, i'm not -- i didn't sit quietly while people were attacking police officers and breaking windows in the capitol. you know, i have not proposed pardoning people who have been sentenced to many years in prison for attacking police officers. i don't call them heroes and

patriots. i mean, he can do the contrast without making it trumpesque. he can be biden doing the contrast, and the vice president can do the contrast, the campaign can do the contrast. the contrast is essential. it is really essential if biden is going to win this election. and he can do that without ramping up the vitriol, without calling people vermin. and without trying to demonize certain swaths of the american public that trump does on a daily basis. there's a big difference, and i think most americans see it. maybe not maga people, but i think most americans see that difference. >> and with trump choosing vance as his running mate, claire, some of the other sort of calculus here is whether or not vance actually does help him win. i think certainly, vance would help him govern the way he wants to with the kind of radicalism that vance has endorsed in terms

of how trump should conduct himself as president. how he should treat the supreme court. how we should treat court rulings, the electoral process and all this other stuff. i think vance and his association with the heritage foundation and project 2025 and all these other things is very much about clearing a swath for trump to do anything he wants in office. but is vance a good choice in terms of helping him get elected? it does strike me that the republican party's problems with women, which are sort of permanent problems, are probably significantly worsened with a choice like vance. not just on abortion. but for everything else that he's represented and espoused and said on creepy podcasts over the last few years on what he thinks the role of american women should be. >> you mentioned earlier which is stunning for american women to hear. there's a candidate for vice president who says stay in a

marriage that is violent. you need to stay in a marriage where you are being assaulted. that's -- this is not something that you say to get more votes in the suburbs of philadelphia. or the suburbs of milwaukee. where they need help. that's where they need to soften the edges. now, he picked someone who irresponsibly immediately blamed biden for the horrific violence that occurred at the trump rally. he picked somebody who is a flame flower, a bombastic guy, a guy who will go there and say things, but he picked him because he was willing to say i'll violate the constitution and not ratify duly-elected electoral college people in a presidential election. he said all of the things trump wants him to say, and he said it with passion and trump thinks he's going to be loyal no matter what and he will never have a

pence problem with vance. that's why he got picked even though he doesn't like his facial hair. >> yeah, and i think -- i will say that as much as guys with this type of personality like obsequiousness, they like supplication, people who are going to bow down and humiliate themselves and do anything. i think he's really enjoyed extracting what he can from ted cruz and the personality trait overlooks the fact you're by definition taking on board people who have shown a willingness to change on a dime and do a 180 and be a completely different person whenever it suits them. yeah, maybe that feels great to you when they're doing the 180 toward you, but they have now shown a propensity to turn on any principle, anything they supposedly stand for, when it works for them politically. maybe they'll turn against you some day. as a politician, i would never

turn my back on a jd vance after what he's done over the last couple years. >> no, and by the way, he will always go for someone he perceives as being a strongman and exudes strength as opposed to anybody else. he sees jd vance as that kind of guy. kind of in the same way he sees putin and kim jong-un and xi the same way. >> great to have you with us tonight. thank you. much more to come on this unique night in american politics. we'll be right back. >> you have been in politics a very long time. let's speak frankly. we're all adults here. has this shooting changed the trajectory of this race? >> i don't know, and you don't know either.

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hour of the first night of the republican national convention. you see the crowd going wild here. we had a lot of images of donald trump on screen over the course of the day today, but this is donald trump actually at the arena. first view we have had of him with a bandage on his ear after the assassination attempt on saturday, which injured him. good to see that he is well and able to be participating in things unaided. we did see a shot of him coming down the stairs from his airplane when he left pennsylvania and went back to new jersey after the shooting. this is the first time we have seen him since and the first time we have seen the bandage on his ear. i don't think that we are expecting to hear anything necessarily from donald trump tonight, but he is at the venue. you're hearing the crowd in milwaukee react to that fact.

she made a reversal on that in recent months. she's going to be speaking in the final hour. it's an unusual choice. i'm just listening to see what they're hearing on the floor as this awkward shot of trump. it is kind of an inspirational voice over here. i should mention it is possible

there will be a surprise of some sort before the night is through with donald trump well known for his dramatic moments, especially on television so i wouldn't rule out something unexpected in the next hour beyond him just standing here in the hallway not speaking. i don't really understand what is happening here in this programming. but this screen we are looking at, the people in the hallway can see this as well? okay. >> ladies and gentlemen, please welcome the next president of the united states, donald j. trump.

♪ >> this is donald trump in the hall going up to the box seats and there is his sons don junior and emotional at this moment and it must have been scary for their family for what he narrowly avoided saturday night in pennsylvania. ♪ ♪

>> former president trump's grading tucker carlson, the former fox news personality and now members of his family and soon his running mate, jd vance and standing next to jd vance who in turn is standing next to mike johnson, the speaker of the house. >> he has the courage and strength and he will be the next president of the united states. >> a man with a sort of high- pitched voice that you hear off- camera is lee greenwood, they're alive doing the song and commentary along with it.

>> ladies and gentlemen, the 45th president of the united states and soon to be the 47 the president of the united states, please welcome donald j. trump. ♪ >> stephanie is back with us and lawrence o'donnell is back with us. the theme tonight of the rnc is make america wealthy again. and they are doing this and it is make america blank again and

every night is sort of a message to this and were you able to see president biden's interview with lester holt earlier? it does seem like the campaign is back on. i don't know whether that means president biden's campaign will re-up its advertisements and they have canceled a bunch of campaign events. but as president biden appears to be pivoting back to normal campaign tactics and messaging around his opponent, do you think the democrats have been sharpening all of their economic messages and that is what they are leading the convention with? >> the democratic -- the democrats need to. they need to fact check the n republicans and literally say show me the money. so this is the economy day. their messages we will wipe out

this nation and clean it up and get prices down and get fiscal spending under control and what democrats need to say the republicans is where because donald trump's platform so far is 10% tariffs and everything and it will balloon inflation and he wants to extend tax cuts for corporate permanently and how do you do that? d have you seen a single republican articulate how that will happen. republicans like to say democrats do all the spending. when you stop collecting taxes and the coffers are empty, that is a problem. these corporate taxes, there will be huge problems because it will expand the deficit. the issue for democrats is there is a good economic message. inflation is a problem but they have a lot of positive messages and they have to call them out and say what will you actually do? >> we should point out to first time convention watchers that it is unusual for the nominee

to be there on monday night of the convention. but this is donald trump coming back from that saturday a session nation -- assassination attempt to make it clear how strong physically he is is a candidate. >> they were yelling fight fight fight is what you were fi yelling. >> for those who are not familiar, the way that opening was done would be very familiar who are familiar with evangelical church. ca you have lee greenwood and this is a song he typically uses at his rallies. it was done in a style which is a very focused message to evangelical voters. that whole opening was in that style. in lifting donald trump up is essentially that god blessed and god save him and touched by god over the weekend and that was a very specific and focused message to evangelicals. >> conventions deal in images

and this is a remarkable image of the bandage nominee appearing for the first time with his new running mate and there is jd vance to his left and you see the bandage and the speaker of the house run from tucker carlson and it's a very deliberate choice not only to see the return of this candidate and, thank goodness, he is safe and wasn't hit worse in the assassination attempt but also a deliberate bit of casting to lawrence's point to show him seen but not heard and we don't usually see him in this mode or any nominee at their convention listening on stage with proof of life that he is okay and as you are commenting, they were showing him waiting to come out and walk out and sit down and watcha him watch. >> i feel like at previous conventions you had moments where the nominee appeared so

people could applaud and it's a usually tightly scripted thing with an appearance and they are excited and on again and this is an extended thing. it is showing him in a holding room which was an unusual decision but a credit to them de for mixing it up a bit and ng making us wonder what was going on. that is one of the ways you make people watch. von hilliard is there in the walkie with us and has been catching shots here and there as the camera pans around the room every now and then. can you tell us your vantage point from what you have seen and what the atmosphere is like once trump is there himself and in person? >> reporter: if i could. it was eight years ago i was standing in the arena and cleveland at the republican national convention where the first time that donald trump was seen in the convention hall and it was in the middle of ted cruz's speech where he said vote your conscience to which the arena booed loudly and in

the middle of the moment he came walking down the stairs and eight years later he came walking down with the united republican party that was hailing him almost as a folk hero type status and at this time donald trump has been impeached twice and indicted four times and was fined $350 million and these are not the folks that you would necessarily drive hours to a trump rally like we saw in tr pennsylvania. these are the folks that are the activists and elected leaders and the folks who are the delegates of the republican national convention. when donald trump came in with lee greenwood singing that and always at every single rally he has god bless the usa and it's the intro song he walks out to but it is a fighting moment where the party finds itself. we heard for the first time earlier right when the convention began that it was

fight fight fight and we had a check for a moment that that was what we heard. that was what donald trump said after being lifted after being shot and he lifted and said fight fight fight and here in finds this whole convention hall chanting fight fight fight. this is 113 days out and where american politics finds itself with donald trump and donald trump has been emboldened and grown over the years and he is fervent and passionate at this moment in time and a great many folks believe the election was stolen here four years ago. they are out for revenge to take back the white house they feel and believed was owed to them. it is a moment here for donald trump and his allies to take the stage and deliver a message that this was the republican party that will take back not just the white house but a senate and house because a lot of those folks and those like

liz cheney and mike pence, the folks, they are not needed in the party anymore and not in milwaukee and this is his party. >> i know you have spent a lot of time with this and one of the hallmarks of the party has been the media has been targeted almost as much as the political opposition with reporters particularly reporters with mainstream organizations like ours get singled out in targeted and sometimes put in unsafe situations and are sometimes made the subject of political commentary or you are standing out there in the middle of the crowd. has that been different since you have been in all walkie and thinking about the aftermath of the horrible events of saturday night but also wondering generally what the temperature is like in terms of how people feel about reporters? >> reporter: it is a good question and it wasn't like it

was eight years ago or even 12 years ago if i may. as we stand here in this convention hall, there is an acknowledgment that there is a clear disagreement over what realities are. the one thing i can say is there is a united front. the agreement that political violence is not a means to an end in this country but a belief among the delegates i talked to that what happened on saturday could easily have been them and they could have been at the rally and an acknowledgment that supporters and candidates should be able to go and hear from those candidates and that is one thing. the press, of course, we are targeted and he has made us a fixture here that has in a way propelled other new right-wing outlets to become popular and have growing reaches where frankly they don't necessarily turn into nbc news anymore and in a way they did eight years ago. i do still believe and know

from conversations there is a baseline belief among most that violence isn't the answer and at the same time i do know that we have had conversations with those others have told us the exact opposite and they have foreshadowed a civil war that could be on the brink an understanding that this country is an anxious -- at an anxious point and there is a reckoning this country is going through currently. because not only do they feel their political candidate has been targeted but there election has been stolen. this is not the same conversations i had with voters eight years ago. with each copassing year, it ha gotten more intense and difficult. >> thank you so much right in the middle of it. thank you. what is happening right now is the final hour of the republican convention night and it tends to be the biggest speaker of the night. one of the big geevents of the night is the fact that trump is

there himself and the big news of the day was obviously the choice of his running mate because we are in the world we are in and the other big news of the day was one of the federal criminal cases against their nominee being dismissed by the judge he appointed in florida that will be appealed that that alone is happening on the day his vice presidential running mate has been announced. we are expecting to hear a speech tonight from a woman named amber and she hasn't been a traditional fixture in conservative politics and it is remarkable she has such a high profile speaking slot tonight and she is an only fans entrepreneur and reality tv person known for being the ex- girlfriend of the rapper kanye west. when trump ran the first time she was a vocal critic. >> i a model and entrepreneur.

thank you. most importantly, i am a mother and my whole world revolves providing for my kids and keeping them safe and giving them an opportunity for a better life. that is something that unites all american parents, whether republican, democrats, conservatives or liberals, we all want a better country for our children. i hear tonight to tell you that no matter your political background, the best chance we have to give our babies a better life is to elect donald trump president of the united states. you may be wondering why i appear telling you this. i know politician.

i don't want to be. ic i do care about the truth. i the truth is the media has lied to us about donald trump. i know this because for a long time i believed those lies. i am here to set the record straight. the first person i knew who supported donald trump was my father. i was shocked and my entire family was racially diverse and i believe the left-wing propaganda that donald trump was a racist. my father said he isn't. what are you talking about. when i insisted, he said prove it. to prove my father wrong, i did my research and looked into all things donald trump. people have to do their research. i watched all the rallies. i started meeting so many of you and his red hat wearing

supporters. >> the reason this is awkward is because charley kirk just spoke before this. he was one of the other big speakers for the first night . the thing about what is going on and particularly on the younger side which is they are really embracing this whole idea of a biological determinism and it is race science. when they talk about being red billed it's a term we think of in a more other way than it deserves and with charley kirk this past year has been arguing is the civil rights act of 1964 and not like a current civil rights act but that was a big

mistake in his words and martin luther king jr. was a terrible person. he was the one who expressed when he gets on a plane, if the pilot is black, he assumes the flight won't be flown safely and that when there is any sort of aviation disruptions he looks to see if there is any black people involved. i sure miss rose has done her research. but it is awkward and i am sure nothing going on here is racist happening right after they do the charley kirk speech about how he is terrible and how they shouldn't be allowed to fly planes. >> less than two weeks ago donald trump was talking about black jobs. and let's not forget that he also said the mayor of baltimore are republicans and they said just being black caused the ship to crash into

the bridge. i also have done my research on donald trump and i did write a book about him. among the things i found in my research and amber rose has every right to do her research. i actually love her haircut. it is quite similar to mine so i do respect her aesthetic choices. but in my research about him, i found he was sued by the nixon administration for refusing to put c for the word colored and apologize for that language and he also wanted to have executed the 14 and 15-year-old accused of being the central park five of which they were found innocent of rape using dna. he is called countries run by black people derogatory names and he said look at how they live when it comes to the way black communities rollout which is from michael cohen who is his longtime attorney and donald trump has essentially

leaned into biological determinism and essentially said that president obama should not have been president because he couldn't have possibly been an american because his father is from kenya and he was essentially lying about his identity and wasn't even american. and also denounced muslims by trying to say president obama was a muslim and he also said muslims shouldn't be able to come to the country and there should be fight club and around people should be forced to fight in and be put into camps and rounded up because they are migrants from countries that are brown. i don't really know what research tools amber rose uses to determine who is racist and who has racial negative attitudes, but i am thinking it may not be the google. the google is helpful. >> and i also say you mentioned the muslim ban. when donald trump in december

2015 said we will have a complete and total ban on muslims entering the country, it was a shocking moment of american politics at the time. he said a lot about mexican immigrants being those who rape. and it was not just something he pulled from the ether but fr he read it off of a piece of paper so somebody who knows how to operate a printer had assisted him in writing these words down about banning people on the basis of their religion and he posted this policy. but then he got into office and sworn in on january of 2017 and try to implement it. now as he runs again in 2024, they tore up out -- apart the platform and they abolished it

in 2020 and didn't do one at all but they brought back a al very brief all capitol letters version of at this time. one of the things they pledge to do again is banned people from the united states if they are muslims. the idea you would make an antiracist or make a he is not a big it argument for a candidate who is pledging to ban people from this country on the basis of their religion who just chose as his running mate somebody who hasn't passed any legislation at all and the only constructive legislation he has done as a senator with a bipartisan real safety legislation with brown in ohio after the east palestine derailment disaster. the thing he has been pushing recently is anti-diversity initiatives and that they should be banned in all federal programs. >> project 2025 was written for donald trump and it's clear he didn't care about policy but it is being laid out for them and almost insanely antiblack and they want to implement the

project -- 1776 project, their answer to the 1619 project essentially banning any school that receives federal funds from teaching black history from any other point of view other than the old-time point of view that said the founders were saints and they want to take away federal funding and also banned title i and essential gender equality will be gone and punish parents who have children who they get medical treatment for who are trends -- trans. this is the program he would implement if you were president of the united states and that is project 2025. the people around him after this terrible incident happened over the weekend, a member of congress, a republican, came out and blamed the incident on dei and said the fact there

were women and black people in the secret service is the reason this happened and that is a member of congress who went out into the tv and said to the world that dei was the cause of an assassination attempt. this is where the republican party is. it was ironic they were able to recruit this young woman. she is racially ambiguous and i don't want to say she is black because she said she is in and this woman of whatever race she is but they brought somebody whose whole career is based on black culture and she used to be on a show on bet and that is why most people know who she is and she dated one of the most prominent rappers in the history of the music and her whole culture came from this even though she said she isn't a black person yourself and the fact she is now the person they are using to try to recruit young people of color and say this is the person who is the endorser of donald trump whom you should trust and when she

won't even claim the culture that brought her to the table. i dubious this will work. i don't know anybody who takes political cues from amber rose. but in case you do, you may want to duplicate doing your own research. >> when we look at civil rights, he was a president before so we do know his record and we just reminded people of some of it and he had an anti- civil rights record and judges who were anti-voting rights. we covered 2025 which builds on that. on politics, there is something interesting to observe. this is ican instagram play at the convention but a truth social candidate you will get. with instagram you have polished photographs and amber rose by comparison and joe biden has 17 million followers and amber rose has 25 million. she does have a following. >> would you describe her job

as an influencer or a free- floating celebrity? >> it is a great question is always. she predates the influencer era and she was romantically linked to kanye west who was a trump figure in terms of what he does and politics and she has a large following and uses only fans as a model and she is an entrepreneur. but 25 million people is a lot of reach, whether any of them of will choose their candidate or who they vote for and that's an open question. i say instagram versus truth social because they are looking for a more polished, more certain pitch that may not relate to the actual plans in the past or future that donald trump has on the issues that matter to people of this community. it's not a random play. i will say that monday night is

usually the night of the least important speakers but because of the horrific events, donald trump is on the floor and feels larger and i don't know if anybody originally planned to have him present on camera well amber rose made this pitch. >> he is not just making an instagram play but tonight he is one of the most significant places elon musk. tonight elon musk announced he will give $45 million a month to a newly formed super pac and that is just cash. think about, you have the man that controls formally twitter and now letter x going out there saying i openly supported in a massive way donald trump and this is moments after the assassination attempt and you thought elon musk who controls twitter putting up that photograph of donald trump on at platform and elon musk is close to jd vance.

and last week i spoke to a major ceo and they said he is laser focused on donald trump because the next president irrelevant of who it is is going to control the fate of ai which will change every bit of how we live. to me, we are talking about instagram and amber rose. and we knew something like elon musk making it public and who has this much money over the next few days is major and could you have a shadow type president getting what he wants from donald trump and that is something we should be thinking about. >> if elon musk is putting up this amount of money this $200 million plus whatever he has put in and then you have peter d teal who spoke at the last convention. and incredibly radical and incredibly controversial figure in american politics to the point where woman -- women shouldn't vote and we should

form countries based on shipping containers so we aren't constrained by the tyranny of an american constitution. peter is is out there as you get and they gave him a speaking spot. and peter teal almost single- handedly created jd vance as a political figure and he is the o one who funded him becoming a senator and with jd vance in ohio he couldn't get there with blake masters and it didn't help that he was the most underappreciated thinker in american wife and -- life. jd vance didn't talk about his unit bomber beliefs if he has them. th but peter created him in a lab so to have him on the vice president and elon musk on the president at a time when donald trump has personal financial liabilities in the hundreds of millions of dollars that aren't going to go away because he is

president. we are looking at a situation. >> it is giving harlan crow. >> think about the amount of contracts he has with the government. governments around the world are so tangled. he could be in a position where he is sitting behind the scenese and getting what he wants from a sitting president. >> if you think about the way these millionaires are purchasing supreme court justices and purchasing policies they want and elon musk as a person is somebody who was sued by his own employees because they created such a racist environment inside of tesla that people couldn't even stand to work there and there were parts of the factory called the slave quarters. he is somebody who said that don lemon when he briefly had his show that the way to get rid of racism is to stop talking about it and if you

shut up about it, it would go away and he has opened twitter up to and extreme views were a lot of people have gotten off of it because it is toxic and ugly and of course he would like to own a president and of course peter teal would like to own a vice president and we see the purchasing of the american h government with multiple branches of it happening right in front of our eyes. >> unless the voters choose otherwise and that is still to be seen. we have special coverage and next with jd vance from people who know him well and stay with us. which looks better — this? or this? seems clear to me. if you love to save, check out the wise buys sales event going on right now at america's best — get two pairs of progressives for just $129.95. offer includes a comprehensive eye exam. book an exam online today.

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always trying to get organized labor to say that we don't support democrats because we are doing that but we are available for you as well but they are there basically to say that the teamsters are available to the republican party and stark contrast to the uaw the most high profile name whose leadership very strongly endorsed joe biden after joe biden made history as in arguably the most prounion president in history and he made it when is a sitting president he went out on the picket line and joined workers striking as the big three autoworker in michigan and that of course is a successful strike that resulted in record contracts for the uaw. >> i think this one stings a bit and i don't think it matters hugely but it does sting if you are the democrat and perhaps there hasn't been a more prolabor president aside from joe biden in modern history. >> sean o'brien has been

telegraphing this for a long time. >> there is a difference being available and speaking at the convention during prime time. i don't think it changes the support that joe biden has among labor unions across the country, but it is -- they have to love it when a labor leader speaks at a republican convention and i think it is safe to say. >> it is awkward because the republican party is uniformly antiunion and the whole right to work state thing and the idea that they are in wisconsin and the whole marc of the party is stripping union rights and stripping the rights of unions and union members in that state which is how the republican party got a hold of the republican state government in wisconsin. so for a major labor leader to say that republicans have a lot to offer our members and we are given them the endorsement given the history of the republican party, -- >> the teamsters endorsed nixon

and reagan and that is the one big union that has always been looking over there and there is an awful lot of muddied stuff especially around the nixon . and it was the most corrupt union possibly in the country's history. i have never heard that. and not every union had their presidents get murdered. they were so deep in with the mob and jimmy hoffa and all of those guys and nixon at the same time. >> while we were watching this first night in milwaukee, we still get reaction that jd vance has been chosen as donald trump's presidential running mate and i believe we have a

guest standing by from the home state of ohio. >> here the chair of the democratic party of ohio. thank you for joining us and i know a lot is coming out of your state. let's start with the big news from tonight and you know jd vance and you followed his record and what should people know who are just turning -- tuning in? >> in the short time that jd vance has been in this political space, i think the ohioans have learned that the rest of the country will learn in the selection that the country will see that ohioans know and they will know that he is a political shape shifter and he will lie about his record and his past and lie about the things he believes in. i am interested to see how the next few days and fold. >> let me ask you about one

specific piece and in the present he has recently said it is up to the states and it means a lot of women won't have access to abortion and talk to us a little bit about his record on women's rights and abortion and his history on that issue. >> what we learned during the senate campaign in 2022 was that he has dangerous stances about women's health and safety whether it was telling women they should stay in a violent marriage for the sake of their children or how he referenced the victory for abortion rights in ohio in november of last year's a gut punch. he has been unabashedly antiabortion and anti-women and the entire time he has been involved in politics here in ohio and ohio voters have sent a strong message not only to him but any politician looking for our votes that we support abortion rights and we voted to ensuring that in our constitution by 13 points last

year and anywhere this issue is on the ballot or those who oppose this issue are on the ballot voters have something to say about it. >> one of the things we talked about this evening is his evolution and he called himself a never trump are and he had many negatives things to say about donald trump in the past and what you attribute his evolution to? is it what he believes or ambition or what led to this point?'s >> evolution is a way to say it any is a ruthlessly ambitious politician who will say and do what he has to to get ahead and we sought through 2022. frankly, his record so far leaves us very little to go on and for most of the 18 months he has been in office he has been auditioning. i think as the campaign unfolds we will see a clear contrast between vice president biden and vice president harris and the record they have and the 18

months of nothing in the u.s. senate where he has done little to nothing to support the people who sent him there to be their advocate. >> if you don't mind if i jump in and sorry to do that but it is rachel maddow here. thank you for being with us. you said at the outset he is a shape shifter. obviously, he hasn't been a united states senator for long or a public figure for very long other than a very well received biography. when you described him as a shape shifter, do you mean that ohio voters didn't get what they were expect when they got him and that he campaigned and had a public image that was different than what people realize they were getting once he was in office? >> that is completely right. whether you know, he was famous about this book about appellation and in appellation,

ohio, they are waiting for him to do any of the things he promised to make their lives better and he has done more for the silicon valley than he has people there or whether it is about his never trump background or now how he is trying to reshape his stance on abortion. he isn't honest and he will remake himself into what is convenient or politically expedient to service ambition. >> you have a big job ahead of you and a big senate race and thank you for your time this evening. we do appreciate it. >> it is super interesting. hearing this home state perspective on him. in ohio, we have all been in this business long enough we saw ohio go from a purple state to a red state and sherry brown has been an exception and there is a good chance hopefully of holding onto a seat in the democrats i think believe he has a chance to hold onto it. but to see jd vance ride to the

senate on the strength of that autobiography and the strength of that book he wrote and then essentially beat the senator of peter thiel and say the senate party say he is working for silicon valley ever since he got there and did nothing for the people he wrote this book about in terms of his own background, that his heart -- hard. that will stick with him. >> in 2016 he was comparing donald trump to hitler and he begins this particular piece saying a few saturdays ago my wife and i spent the morning volunteering at a community garden in our san francisco neighborhood. and it goes on from there. now, if that was the description of kamala harris about how she spent her san francisco weekend, he would say i get it but it is stunning and

this is a piece in which he compares donald trump not to hitler but heroin, the heroin he said his mother was addicted to at the time and he knew so many people in ohio were addicted to and they were hoping that he would somehow as we just heard help them and address their lives. and there is jd vance saying donald trump won't do that and then he becomes a senator and we are told he won't do it either. >> it is a complete loss of empathy that some people i think he had for people not doing well and for people who have been dismissed by the elites and here he is doing the opposite of what is book proposes in terms of character and consideration and in the pocket of silicon valley and on the mean side of the conservative aisle when it comes to that empathy that i think is part of that book.

it is a real repudiation of, i think, the emotional core of what that book explores. >> if you read hillbilly elegy and if you see the ron howard movie, i think it is up to the empathy piece of it but there was a core piece of hillbilly elegy that had a background contempt and a sort of sense that people of appellation have pathologies that are often ascribed to people of color honestly. i think that tinge of it, there were some reviews of it. i did read it. there was part of it that felt that he is saying on the one hand that he comes from these people and has empathy. it is similar to the way ben carson back slaps the people of detroit that he grew up with and he said they have pathologies i was able to rise out of and why can't they? there is an aspect of that in

hillbilly elegy that is detectable when you read it and it makes this book a little less surprising. this guy went to you and became -- yale and became a hedge fund guy. i have to be honest that i am not shocked this is what he is. he is an ambitious man who decided the people he grew up around have too many pathologies to figure out what he did and he is willing to dispose of them for power. >> and also for the people. and they really think they have a case to make for the working class. >> i also think it is the evolution of the power or the rise of the power of donald trump and maybe if we are generous for a second because we watched a lot of videos and interviews from seven or eight years ago but maybe that is a bit who he was eight years ago but he can't be that person if he wanted to rise in the party

and become the vice presidential nominee. he said, i shedding that person and any connection to appellation and the working class people i ran for because i want to be that m stay in the oval office. >> because i think i want to run with the guy who may be america's hitler. >> the families don't want to be part of it necessarily but this is a man who is married to a woman whose parents immigrated from india and he represents a party that wants to end the 14th amendment birthright citizenship and there is irony just the same as donald trump's wife is an immigrant and he is the most anti-immigrant figure and how these contradictions get explained to mrs. vance and her family? are they a part of this new right he is a vanguard of? maybe. >> jd vance makes history tonight is the running mate on a presidential ticket who is said the worst things about his

running mate and there is nobody else. the others that had any kind of comfort points was policy and it was george bush saying reagan's economics were voodoo economics and he puts that away and becomes the running make but comparing your running mate to hitler and all of these other things that he said is unique and here is donald trump sitting there with half of the guys he is sitting with have expressed their hatred of them and he is sitting with four guys and tucker carlson and jd vance have expressed their hatred of him and donald trump knows that. >> that is part of his power. you hate me but look at what i can make you do? >> that is what it is. he likes showing you he can take these people and force them to bend. >> you do that with people who have supplicant personalities. but if you do that with people

as ambitious as it jd vance and tucker carlson, never turn your back on them again. we we'll take a quick break before coverage continues. much more ahead. stay with us. with us we can see and hold. etsy.

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do you see what they saw, which was moments of, frankly, what appeared to be you confused. >> lester, look. why don't you guys ever talk about the 18 or 20 lies he told? where are you on this. why doesn't the press talk about that. 28 times he lied in that debate. i had a bad night and i wasn't feeling well and i had been -- i screwed up. >> i just asked the question because the idea that you may or may not have seen what some of these other folks have seen. >> i was there. i didn't have to see it. i didn't have to see it. i was there. by the way, seriously, you will answer the question but why does the press talk about all the lies he told? >> we reported many of the issues. >> no, you haven't.

>> we will provide you with those. >> god love you. >> kind of a fight there between president biden and lester holt in the interview that aired earlier this evening. that interview happened today at the white house. we were talking about the campaign plans. we don't know how long the pause will last from biden/harris and they have taken all of their advertisements down in the wake of the shooting in pennsylvania but you said vice president harris has a campaign event tomorrow? >> she is doing a moderated conversation wednesday and she will be doing a moderated conversation with republican women in michigan and then another one on thursday in north carolina to talk about abortion and reproductive rights where we do know from interviews that the president is happy with that and it

certainly a weak spot for jd vance who talks about national public opinion on reproductive choice. the fact that they are putting the vice president out at this moment on this issue as her opponent is making the grand debut. >> including olivia troy who is familiar to viewers. >> very interesting counterprogramming and we will watch that over the week as the republican national convention continues through thursday night into milwaukee happening under very unusual circumstances in the wake of the attempted assassination of the republican now nominee donald trump on saturday night and the democratic campaign has taken down all of its advertisements and stopped campaigning sounding like maybe as of wednesday they will do it campaign style events. we shall see. it is one of the unusual things that is happening in american politics. as our special coverage continues of tonight's republican national convention. n