terry, don't mean be terry, though, don't mean to be blunt, but he says, i like ben habib, have to begot to be blunt, he doesn't see as he doesn't see reform as a threat. do think reform are threat. do you think reform are a threat to tories? i'll let you threat. do you think reform are a tthe t to tories? i'll let you threat. do you think reform are a tthe judge»ries? i'll let you threat. do you think reform are a tthe judge of s? i'll let you threat. do you think reform are a tthe judge of that.. let you threat. do you think reform are a tthe judge of that. uh, you threat. do you think reform are a tthe judge of that. uh, kitty be the judge of that. uh, kitty says, uh, christmas was basically ruined because she couldn't the couldn't get hold of the ben habib that i promised habib calendar that i promised pnon habib calendar that i promised prior. she asked if i can indeed try make it happen. susan try and make it happen. susan says. believe i've just says. can't believe i've just switched telly. switched back on the telly. michelle the michelle didn't even spend the christmas break

they announced that their candidate, ben habib for their candidate, ben habib for the wellingboroughng aim at the tories, saying they've completely failed and betrayed britain and also turning their guns on the labour party , saying guns on the labour party, saying a britain under labour would be starmer . a britain under labour would be starmer. gordon. tough talk . but starmer. gordon. tough talk. but the big question is can the small party make that big breakthrough next story migrant shock. breakthrough next story migrant shock . yesterday, home secretary shock. yesterday, home secretary james cleverly doggedly maintaining he can stop the boats. but leaked data from border force today says that the number of illegals arriving by dinghies next year is actually set to increase could be 35,000 or worst case scenario, 50,000. that would be an all time record . has this government completely lost control ? can rwanda save lost control? can rwanda save their bacon or will this issue sink the government? next story as england sorry as britain wades into the red sea crisis by taking on t

with me now is richard tice and ben now, ben habib ben habib.andidate for the party in the wellingborough by—election. but richard , to you first, is richard tice, to you first, is it a for reform, a wasted it a vote for reform, a wasted vote because you don't know where live ? where voters live? >> it's completely opposite. >> it's completely the opposite. it's actually to it's the only way actually to save britain. that is the truth. the crisis facing the country is so main two parties so serious. the main two parties are two forms of socialism high taxes, wasteful government spending, dafta eu regulation means the government has betrayed people more mass immigration, a huge betrayal by the tories that labour want more of. and we are now the only party of the working class of tens of millions of people who feel completely abandoned and let down, and we're the only party that will get rid of the job destroying deep , party that will get rid of the job destroying deep, damaging, net zero policy. and that's why i think people will vote for change

you will all know ben habib. you will all know ben habib. regular on gb news habib. make of richard's speech? >> was too long. >> i thought it was too long. uh, and i'd have made. uh, and i think i'd have made. it have been punchier. it it should have been punchier. it should have been. not so much about with tory about what's wrong with the tory party. wrong with party. we know what's wrong with the that's why the tory party. that's why they're 20 points behind the they're 20 points behind in the polls, or 17 points behind in the polls. it should have the polls. and it should have been punch, punch. been punch, punch, punch. this is do. this is is what we will do. and this is why do it differently. why we will do it differently. yeah didn't to yeah there wasn't didn't seem to be anything new in it. >> rooting for him, but >> we were rooting for him, but i think it was a missed opportunity. i do think it was a missed opportunity. i like people disrupt the people coming in to disrupt the political i political landscape. i do. i think that. we never think we need that.

uh habib. ben good morning.ns on the fact that you're going to be standing in this . um, right. where do this seat. um, right. where do we start? how did you think the speech went yesterday ? i think speech went yesterday? i think it got a little bit of a lukewarm reception, actually. richard tice his speech . richard tice his speech. >> well, i thought, richard, i mean , you know, you're damned if mean, you know, you're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't. >> i thought richard set out quite a full exposition of the problems facing country . quite a full exposition of the problems facing country. um, problems facing the country. um, and the solutions that reform had broadly to address them. and, um , it might have been and, um, it might have been perhaps a bit too verbose for some, but if he hadn't done that, then, you know, people would have said, well, you know, what are the problems? what are your your your answers? what's your agenda? i i think agenda? yeah. so i mean, i think richard well, richa

the reform party have in the form of ben habib, there in the form of ben habib, a former mep and a businessmanm, how is a reform going to do reforragain calls will um, how is a reform going to do reforragain of calls will um, how is a reform going to do reforragain of course/ill um, how is a reform going to do reforragain of course we've start again then of course we've got the local elections on may the second. if the conservatives do those again , do badly, badly in those again, more calls like this are going to . polls going to happen. the polls are going to happen. the polls are going to worse. this is going to get even worse. this is going to get even worse. this is going to run for months. to run and run for months. >> very quickly add >> may i just very quickly add i do it's little bit rich do think it's a little bit rich for of these mps who have for a lot of these mps who have stabbed other prime ministers in the twice, actually, liz the back twice, actually, liz truss not truss and boris, let's not forget to now saying, we forget to now be saying, oh, we need to behind. this need to

. >> well, i frequently had a panellist, habib, on this panellist, ben habib, on this program frequentlyhe will frequently. he will cite these various aspects of international law and he will say it is legal to do this. so there are people out there actually, that would dispute that it's dispute the fact that it's illegal whatever is to do illegal or whatever it is to do that. i want to just also focus on the facts, because i don't want to be glossed over. want it to be glossed over. 6000 asylum want it to be glossed over. 6000 asyabsolutely have gone. it's >> absolutely have gone. it's outrageous. and that's why one of the key points in labour's five point plan is to get on top of the backlog we saw today. the prime off for prime minister told off for having lied the british having lied to the british people, claiming rid of people, claiming he'd got rid of the but actually he the backlog, but actually he hasn't. ask you about that >> so let me ask you about that then. so these people get on these right? they're these boats, right? they're deliberately through their paperwork you paperw

, their candidate, ben habib, for wellingborough. week.em determined to try and they seem determined to try and nibble the conservative and nibble into the conservative vote. are you concerned about the emergence of the reform party as a potential threat to the conservative vote in areas like wellingborough ? like wellingborough? >> well, it's quite obvious that if conservative voters go and vote reform in wellingborough or anywhere else, you're much more likely have a labour mp . um, likely to have a labour mp. um, and let's hope we don't cover that. >> but that is what will happen . >> but that is what will happen. but what i do hope the prime minister will take on board is that some of the issues that have led some conservatives to be flirting with reform are very good issues, and if he'd pick them up and run with them, we'd get voters back . get those voters back. >> okay. superb, sir. thank you very much for joining >> okay. superb, sir. thank you very much forjoining us on the very much for joining us on the show today. conservative

reform launched their manifesto pledge yesterday announced ben habib as a candidate in the wellingboroughines, should that happen or should that not? that's a big debate . that's that's a big debate. that's going to get spicy. we've got that coming up soon. next rwanda, another revolt, this time. rishi trying to rush the plans through in case there's a revolt for the wets. it needs to be watered down. they think it's too right wing, but for the right wing, they think it needs to be beefed up. it's too soft. will a flight ever get will a single flight ever get off of the ground? and finally, after a 16 year old dark sensation, luke littler, came so close last night to win the world darts championships , we're world darts championships, we're asking, this is it time to get darts into school to help children add up, to get them involved with mathematics ? by involved with mathematics? by the way, these people can work out real is out numbers in real time is astonishing. could that be working and well placed within our schools? all of that coming up hour. our schools? all of that coming up ho

. >> and actually, i'm in agreement with ben who agreement with ben habib, who i think a top guy whoink is a top guy who is, of course, a reform uk prospective parliamentary this is parliamentary candidate. this is what there's what i'm saying. when there's somebody, there's somebody, when there's a candidate that embodies the views for our views that we have for our membership and for the people that follow us, we'll support them. he said, i think in an them. but he said, i think in an interview quite recently that basically should sort of basically we should sort of almost not almost consider it not literally, but technically as an invasion from france. and if that was the case, and if we told france that that was the case, that if they allow people to cross the channel towards us, that we would respond accordingly , they'd soon stop accordingly, they'd soon stop doing it. >> but would language like invasion not be quite offensive to, you know, these characters, these people who are crossing these people who are crossing the you know, seeking the channel you know, seeking a better

yeah, well, we will and ben habib from reform >> oh, and ben habib from reform party obviously we wererough. yesterday he's going to be the canygoing wellingborough. yesterday he's going to be the canygoing talklingborough. yesterday he's going to be the canygoing talklinben)ugh. yesterday he's going to be the canygoing talk lin ben about i'm going to talk to ben about that lovely. >> you've your get >> you've had your time. get off. see you at 930. off. sorry we'll see you at 930. >> much. thanks, >> thanks very much. thanks, andrew and bev. >> you. now, would you >> thank you. now, how would you like £10,000 cash? brand like to win £10,000 cash? brand new shopping vouchers. like to win £10,000 cash? brand new you shopping vouchers. like to win £10,000 cash? brand new you could|opping vouchers. like to win £10,000 cash? brand new you could be)ing vouchers. like to win £10,000 cash? brand new you could be)ing winner rs. like to win £10,000 cash? brand new you could be)ing winner of well, you could be the winner of our first great british our very first great british giveaway. are all t

it is a gift for reform uk as well, because the fantastic habib standing fantastic ben habib is standingum, against her. helen there, um, against her. helen mirren as well. >> a vote for reform uk is a vote for keir starmer. a vote for labour is a tory. will be debating that with richard tice in just a few minutes time. >> it's not a good look if you don't understand the rules of the political game, but the rules of the political game, say the tory party members get to choose who the candidate. >> it looks like sleaze . i think >> it looks like sleaze. i think it's a terrible look and i think it's a terrible look and i think it's undemocratic. benjamin butterworth to parachute the butterworth to parachute in the other of guy that's other half of the guy that's been chucked out, you couldn't make it well, i don't know make it up. well, i don't know that she was parachuted in, but the fact i think that the fact is, i think that clearly bowen clearly peter bowen was blackmailing party and clearly peter bowen was blachas|iling party and clearly peter bowen was blac has affected party and cle

i'm going to support ben habib in the wellingborough by—election because i think actually it could betablishment as to as to whether i get more deeply involved or not, i don't know, i haven't decided i'm weighing up all the options, whether you love or loathe nigel farage, he must run for parliament. >> it's a demonstration of how flawed our electoral system is that arguably the most consequential politician of his generation, the man who made brexit happen, who unearthed the de—banking scandal and who's now part of a broadcasting revolution here at gb news, has never sat in the house of commons. the elephant in the room is that the elephant hasn't beenin room is that the elephant hasn't been in the room. how can a man who has shaped the political and constitutional destiny of this country never have sat in our main democratic chamber , having main democratic chamber, having been cancelled by other broadcasters? it's been of critical importance that nigel has had this platform on gb news to represent the views of millions of ordinary people . in millions of ordinary people. in the cas

um, i'm going to support ben habib in the wellingborough by—election because i think actually it couldake up call for the whole westminster establishment as to as to whether i get more deeply involved or not. i don't know, i haven't decided weighing up haven't decided i'm weighing up all options . one of those all the options. one of those opfions all the options. one of those options being that i enjoy options being that i do enjoy being of the broadcasting being part of the broadcasting revolution with you and the other guys and girls at gb news, and giving that up would be really a big price to pay . really quite a big price to pay. in ways. i don't yet know in many ways. i don't yet know what i'm going to do, but, you know, mistake, i do know, make no mistake, i do think reform the right think reform is on the right path over the course of the next six years to change british politics in a way that most can't imagine. >> okay, nigel, more power to you. great to see you again. and we'll catch up soon. gb news superstar nigel farage. okay, folks , i'll be dealing with keir folks, i'll

>> welitice,irm, leader and ben richard tice, the leader and ben habib, the deputy leader, have talkede conservatives. i think that's saying the quiet part out loud and what they should be telling the british people and the conservatives people is and the conservatives is. this isn't about you anymore. you're over here. are the new ideas to drive britain to a better position ? i think to a better position? i think that would be much better for reform. i do they've got reform. i do think they've got great prospects in the two parliamentary by elections next month. >> yes . yes, i agree with >> um, yes. yes, i agree with you on that. the tactic should be forget about the tories and that otherwise it just looks a bit bit weird . bit bit weird. >> i mean, who who gets up in the morning thinks i want to obliterate tories . you think obliterate the tories. you think about standards or about your living standards or law order in your street, law and order in your street, and i just reform needs to and i just think reform needs to get those actual also more. get into those actual also more. >>

they richard tice or ben habib? they are what is it that is different? is it that they have that don't? and that's have that i don't? and that's where should be looking. where he should be looking. >> it's the if we're >> it's the it's the if we're going the of going to the politics of personality, obviously we have bofis personality, obviously we have boris johnson which was the biggest personality politics boris johnson which was the biggelongrsonality politics boris johnson which was the biggelong time,.ity politics boris johnson which was the biggelong time, not politics boris johnson which was the biggelong time, not entirely:s for a long time, not entirely successful. starmer successful. and keir starmer isn't interesting isn't exactly mr interesting is he. but going back to he. but but going back to richard tice , he's also richard tice, he's also mentioned, nigel, that he is going labour voter going to target the labour voter and we know that in 2019, a lot of the red wall voted for the conservatives on the immigration policy . so do you think tha

ben habib is also great, but some some people over the weekend saying nigel would weekend were sayinge the only person to really cut through that red wall. seat through that red wall. uh, seat the electorate, just like boris did. but remains to be seen. >> julie has said that the leader definitely leader of our country definitely needs he's needs to be nigel farage. he's the person talks . the only person that talks. sense. i don't think there's ever been a bigger gap between the people running the country and actually and the people who are actually living country don't living in the country. i don't think such think there's ever been such a big disconnect. well i was saying minute saying to scarlett a minute ago on that everybody on the panel that everybody knows solution is for knows what the solution is for the hang on power. the tories to hang on to power. >> control >> we all know, just control immigration and behave, you know, conservative, but know, mildly conservative, but they just don't do and they just don't do it. and i don't it's their they just don't do it. and i don't

but if richard tice or ben habib were here they would say but we are going to raise awareness of ourty before this election. if this poll is done now, some people will not know who we are. they will not know what we represent. perhaps we will win the odd seat. can they make such a swing? remains to be seen. what do you think at home, and how much more significant would this nigel farage was this poll be if nigel farage was leading reform ? leading reform? >> respect to richard >> with all respect to richard tice, nigel farage is the household name. nigel farage was tice, nigel farage is the houone»ld name. nigel farage was tice, nigel farage is the houone who ame. nigel farage was tice, nigel farage is the houone who did. nigel farage was tice, nigel farage is the houone who did brilliantly age was tice, nigel farage is the houone who did brilliantly ine was the one who did brilliantly in the one who did brilliantly in the jungle. nigel farage of the jungle. uh nigel farage of this of course. of this parish of course. of course, the most popular programs station. i'm programs on the

um, ben habib and richard tice speak complete sense to me . they speak complete sense to me.they speak complete sense to me. they speak complete sense to me. and i feel like they're speaking to people like they're speaking to people like me. working public, you know, common sensical. of know, common sensical. none of this of rhetoric that we this kind of rhetoric that we get from someone like keir starmer, keir starmer , what does starmer, keir starmer, what does he say? all i hear is la la la la la la. can't hear what he's la la la. i can't hear what he's saying. sunak was not saying. sunak again was not voted conservative voting voted by the conservative voting public. voted by the conservative voting pubuc.so voted by the conservative voting public. so he's in without a job. the two that i feel that do make a difference are richard and ben. so yes i they will and ben. so yes i mean they will get vote , but i just wish it get my vote, but i just wish it would mean more if ever they were to make a breakthrough. >> to tap into the >> it is to tap into the enormous popularity

and i think in ben ben habib in wellingborough and rupert lowe in kingswood , reform are putting in kingswoodhe conditions are right . i detect talking to right. i detect talking to habitual conservative voters , habitual conservative voters, uh, a very, very deep sense of disenchantment. deeper than anything i think i can ever remember . and so if not now , remember. and so if not now, when? must be the challenge i personally think that reform are going to leap into double figure vote shares in both those seats and wellingborough must be the one where they would to hope push on towards 20. >> henry, by elections, of course, we see dramatic swings we certainly have of late. is there any such thing as a safe seat anymore? we saw in north shropshire the shop shropshire and all over the shop that case, but a that isn't the case, but it is a protest vote, by—election are protest vote, a by—election are you that this will you convinced that this will manifest itself through to the general and will reform affect you then, or will people just think, you know, when push comes to shove, i'll stick wit

. >> is that that by—election in wellingborough, where ben habib will stand for reform, has been triggeredoing to be there leaflets through triggered? are you going to be there nigel leaflets through triggered? are you going to be the oh, nigel leaflets through triggered? are you going to be the oh, uh,el leaflets through triggered? are you going to be the oh, uh, look, flets through triggered? are you going to be the oh, uh, look, um, through triggered? are you going to be the oh, uh, look, um, i1rough triggered? are you going to be the oh, uh, look, um, i would be >> oh, uh, look, um, i would be very surprised if i didn't pop up and give ben a bit of support at some point in the next few weeks. >> very interesting. all right, nigel, that's our very own nigel farage. for joining nigel, that's our very own nigel farage. forjoining us. farage. thanks forjoining us. now, refer earlier to now, nigel did refer earlier to the leader, ed the lib dem leader, sir ed davey, who had this to say about his postal affairs his tenure as postal affairs minister coalition minister in the coalition governm

they put their deputy leader, ben, ben habib, there. are really looking to show people and prove that if they can not potentially win the seat, but show that they can command strong majority and command a strong majority and show they are responsible show that they are responsible enough for people to trust them when they're that will push them aheadin when they're that will push them ahead in the polls in any way. >> um, no. it's going to be interesting. lattice. thanks very indeed. the other the very much indeed. the other the other question with this is and it's whether it will happen or not, i just don't know. but the idea that before an election taught , some idea that before an election taught, some tories may defect out to reform , which would that out to reform, which would that have an impact on it? >> could it wouldn't have enough of an impact though, would it? >> that's the trouble. >> that's the trouble. >> no, but in terms of in terms of giving reform more sort of credibility within our parliamentary system, it might do . w