the name is jeff staley -- >> who is he. >> number two guy at j.p.organ, he was considered jamie dimon's possible successor, if you know anything about, he ran the we'll management business. inside of j.p. morgan, open epstein up to the world. there was talk in j.p. morgan, why are we doing business with him. post him being convicted first time. jeff staley stepped in stopped them from deplatforming epstein, that is why i think it is interesting there are a lot of e-mails between staley the one about snow white, this stuff is insane. i think that is where you know, we could like you have to go to money trail, this is interesting, stephen hawking, bill clinton likes them young, but if you want to do what you are suggesting you start at j.p. morgan. and start tracing money bank records who paid for the flights, who was on the flights. ju. >> who was on the flight. >> you get that not for us like, you know, who -- you get it from facing that money trail they are not doing that. >> but why have in a not. >> i don't think that you know, a, agree the finan