this is how the veteran of the armed forces, former prisoner of war maksym kolesnikov, describes his return experience. it was exchanged in february of last year at the border, on the border of the bilhorod region of russia and the sumy region. he says that he was transported by plane, but his eyes were tied up at the same time, it casts doubt on the fact that there could have been only three guards on board, which are mentioned in the statement of the ministry of defense. the logistics were as follows: first , five people were taken to us from the town of novozydkiv in the bryansk region by vans to the military camp near bryansk, then by a military plane, it was most likely il 76, they took us , people were taken to kursk, and then to belgorod, and from belgorod we were taken to the camp on buses. where we were waiting for lunch during the transportation of prisoners before leaving the camp or from the colony depending on where they are , it is pulled very low on the head. the cap and eyes are tied with tape, well, there may be cases with bags, i have not personally seen this, mostl

maksym kolesnikov, veteran of the armed forces, former prisoner of war, joins our broadcast.g. good evening. maxim, i am simple for our audience. i will clarify and remind you that you were taken prisoner back in march of the 22nd year, that is , literally a few weeks after the beginning of the invasion, and you returned in february of that year, well, a year passed like that, and this photo with an apple then flew all over the network , i think we 'll mention it now too, but yeah, but here we go you were called today to help us recreate as much as possible, of course, the path taken by a prisoner, prisoners before returning home, well, for example, the russian side says that there were prisoners of war on board, tell us how, in principle, prisoners of war are delivered, this by bus, whether by train , or always by plane, well, of course, i can’t talk about always , because i don’t know all the situations, the scenario that i went through, that went through many of my acquaintances who were exchanged, it’s quite typical, first with car accidents, which they have small groups

the bbc has spoken to a former ukrainian prisoner of war maksym kolesnikov, who has told us about his. he has also reflected on the russia's claim, that there were only three prison guards on the plane that has crashed. translation: logistics were as following. - from a little town in the bryansk region, we were brought by prison transport vehicles to the airfield. then we were transported by a military plane. i'm pretty sure it was 11—76. we picked a group of people in kursk and then were flown to belgorod. from belgorod, we were brought by buses to a camp to await exchange. before you are removed from the prison or any other place, your head is basically fully covered by a hat and your eyes are being covered by the sellotape. there was some talks of bags on their heads, but i've usually seen a hat being used for that. the eyes are covered by sellotape. maybe someone can sneak a peek, but i don't think it's possible for everyone. i've not seen the plane i was carried in with my own eyes from the outside. i could tell there were about 60 of us there. we were first flown there and carr

kolesnikov , he just wrote about the fact that when they... were returning home, and when they were being returned home, there were about 20 of the so-called military police for every 50 prisoners, from bryansk to belgorod, they flew by plane, despite the the way russia quickly launched this information campaign about this plane very quickly, that is, literally within an hour or two, and the russian propagandists joined in, and the deputies joined in, now already... mother joined in, which, the head of which is now in the un security council, could it be a special operation that has been held for a long time, but it was designed that if it happens, we will make the following statements, well, if something happens to a russian plane near the border with ukraine, and this could happen to any plane , because these planes are usually either carry weapons or launch rockets. the territory of the ukrainian state and that these lists, which also promptly appeared on the part of the russian side, that they could have been prepared a long time ago, they were simply waiting for the moment when

kolesnikov, he just wrote that when they were coming home, and when they were being brought home, theree about 20 of the so-called military police for every 50 prisoners, from bryansk to belgorod, they flew by plane, given how russia quickly deployed this... information campaign about this plane very quickly, that is, literally in an hour or two, and the russian propagandists joined in, and the deputies joined in, now already... the diplomats joined in, who, the leader, who is now in the un security service, could it be a special operation that has been held for a long time, so it was designed so that if this happens, we will make the following statements, well, if something happens to a russian plane near the border with ukraine, and this could happen to any plane, because these planes usually either carry weapons or launch missiles. on the territory of the ukrainian state and that these lists, which also promptly appeared on the part of the russian side, that they could have been prepared a long time ago, they were just waiting for the moment when they would simply make it public and

kolesnikov, he just wrote about the fact that when they returned home, and when they were returned homeevery 50 prisoners there were about 20 of those who are called military police, they flew from bryansk to... belgorod by plane, considering how quickly russia launched this information campaign about this plane, very quickly, that is, literally within an hour or two, russian propagandists joined in, and deputies joined in, now diplomats joined in, whose leaders are now in the security guard un , could it be a special operation that... had been held for a long time, but it was designed that if it happens, we will make the following statements, well, if something happened to a russian plane near the border with ukraine, and this could happen with by any plane, because these planes usually either carry weapons or launch missiles on the territory of the ukrainian state, and that these lists, which also quickly appeared on the part of the russian side, that they could have been... prepared, simply they were waiting for the moment when, when they would just make it public and turn it into an

i want to say that maksym kolesnikov, who was a former person, drew attention to this detail the day before on our broadcast. in a former prisoner of war and he spent quite a lot of time in captivity and he also noticed that when they were delivered on the same plane for exchange, he said that there were much more escorts, not three, and he also drew our attention to this attention eh, then one more question, look, the representative of the intelligence andriy yusov, he assumed that there were s300 missiles on board, several or one, and do you see any signs that these missiles could really be there and maybe, if not people, then ... rockets were transported, or perhaps both people and rockets, and missiles, and again, if they were there, maybe they should have or shouldn't have detonated in the air, or already detonated on the ground, can we have something... about that, something about that now, and make some preliminary conclusions about this theory? yes, let's definitely say so, the information that this plane was carrying missiles appeared almost on the same day when it fell, and

this, in particular, says military officer maksym kolesnikov, who was released from captivity in february of our colleagues from svoboda. live well, imagine that how three people can control 65 people seated on the plane, and how in the world, what can they do with them? well, i emphasize once again that our prisoners of war are not kept according to the protocols of some geneva convention, no, these are ordinary prison protocols of a special regime, there is a person there for criminals who commit some serious crimes. crimes of the russian federation, this is the constant presence of armed people, these are people with machine guns, with batons, and here they say that there are only three of them, so how? and in washington, they are not yet ready to give an assessment of the downing of the l-76 plane on the territory of russia. the biloms are told that they currently do not have enough information to draw conclusions. john kirby, coordinator of the national security council of the white house, made such a statement at the briefing. he said that the united states needs to get more informa