and in dublin, michael becka, assistant professor of international human rights law at trinity college, dublin, and a former staff are at the international court of justice. a warm welcome to you all . thank you very much for joining us on inside story. so we're going to be for focusing today on some of these really defense arguments before we discuss the likely outcome of this case. at the i c j house on let me start with you is route brought the best legal minds to the hague. but did they bring the best arguments? what was it about the defense that struck you the most come um, so to give some general preliminary examination to say or observation about the arguments, i think is that your defense was in a very bad uh, difficult situation. the defending, i'm in different type of case substantively i think is what you offer no substantive case substantively. there was nothing or close to nothing offered by the is there any defense? however, there was a great deal of contemplation, a great deal of focus on procedural law, on jurisdiction on the procedures on the technicalities in order to