well the panel was so great we decided to bring them back with us, alec lace, betsy mccaughey, thankhs ago, now they're having questions about their mandates for evs, i think their push for i think they wanted to go 50-50 within 10 years. two months ago i had a interview with mr. buttigieg, who is our secretary for transportation and he seemed to be singing a different tune. roll that tape. >> i don't know a lot of people who think americans in 2050 are still going to be driving that old technology that, combustion technology that we inherited. david: americans like it. americans like it. >> the big question is, you're not going to meet a lot of people whoever go back after they have gone electric. david: okay. >> i think that really tells you something. david: betsy -- >> because they're stuck down the road somewhere. david: a month later we had the scene in chicago where all these ev drivers were stuck, had to have their cars towed. i don't think they will buy another ev, do you? >> how about californians told they can't charge their evs at night when they go to bed because electri