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good to talk to you, lord dobbs. _ that he can save lives. good to talk to you, lord dobbs.n 17 months into the pit assented to the throne and nine months since the coronation in westminster abbey, so it must surely have been a shock for him and his family to receive this diagnosis —— it has only been 17 months since the king. but lord dobbs said, cancer is very common, 3 million people are living with it in the uk alone many cancer charities said they are really grateful that the king has brought the fight against cancer that so many go through to the forefront. plenty more from the outside buckingham palace but, for now, back to you in the studio. palace but, for now, back to you in the studio— the studio. really important to underline that _ the studio. really important to underline that perspective - the studio. really important to l underline that perspective when the studio. really important to - underline that perspective when we get news like this. marie moshiri, live outside buckingham palace. we will be back with her later. let's look at the middle east now. the us

i have seen republicans tried to distance dobbs from this ruling, absolutely not.lly intertwined. that is because what dobbs did was give states absolute leeway to define when life began and when that so-called life could receive protection, under the law. now, at the time, i think most people thought about this as abortion, right? a fetus, when that fetus could be terminated, when a woman is experiencing a medical emergency during pregnancy could get an abortion. you know, those are the immediate issues. but dobbs also applies to ivf because it has allowed alabama to fully implement a state constitutional amendment that says that, essentially, embryos arguments, embryos our life, and they merit this kind of sweeping protection that just to note, is not granted to actual human beings and actual children in alabama where some of the most impoverished and undereducated children in the entire country. so, this is not only a direct result of dobbs in terms of precedent, but in terms of the supreme courts reasoning, freeing states to take these extreme steps. it just co

that was before dobbs. that was before the legal landscape was volcanically uprooted by this supreme court, which has been captured by a far-right fringe. some may have wondered why at that time i asked what seemed like a very far-fetched, object view its, arcane question. a lot of people probably didn't even know what it meant. and they may have also wondered why justice barrett refused to answer such an obvious question with such a self-evident answer. wasn't it settled that ivf free trade agreement is not only legally protected -- ivf treatment is not only legally protected but also a scientific miracle. think of it for a moment. the science here that is now accessible to every american, everyone in the world. and wasn't ivf pro-family, having children, parents who wanted a child and they may have wondered as well, wasn't ivf the last best hope for so many people struggling with infertility desperately seeking to experience the miracle of childbirth for themselves? who could possibly object to that mirac

is a patch work of rules after the dobbs decision.ki haley now weighing in on one of the tangents we're seeing happen in some of these redder states in the post-dobbs era and recognizing that's out of step with where the american public wanted to be, on something highly used by people who want to grow their families like ivf. >> heidi, let's talk about what you're gathering, when it comes to evangelicals, pro life voters. >> we talked this morning, we happened to have a "politico" summit with governors, including governors from pretty red states. i interviewed governor stitt from oklahoma, but we also interviewed governor lee. i think this is a moment where things are starting to crystallize to explain why so many americans feel that democracy is eroding. here you have a minority of a minority of christians making these decisions based along ideological lines or at least that's how many americans feel about this. this is coming on the heels of the roe decision where even that decision, you look at 24% of republicans, just 24%, believe

i, sadly, have been quite clear since the day the dobbs decision came down.mental constitutional rights was taken away from american women, from american people, and what we are seen across the country, most recently the action that the alabama supreme court has taken, is a direct consequence of that. we've also been quite clear that the only way to restore the protection that people lived with for nearly 50 years under roe is a federal law that would restore those protections. that is what we've been fighting for, and we will continue to fight for. absolutely, there are things the administration can and has done already, the presidents issued three executive orders, and a presidential memorandum to protect access to abortion and contraception, to protect patients privacy, to protect the right to travel, and we will, and to protect, for example, the right to medication abortion, which, as you, know is more than 50% of abortions in this country. we will continue to look for ways to protect access, and to protect women's health. to protect women's access to eme

and dobbs, of course, is directly connected to roe versus wade. you can see what happens when you and do a 50 year constitutional protection that gave families, women these opportunities to have families and to plan out their families well possible impact. do you see beyond alabama's borders >> john, it's unfortunate, but the confusion, the fear goes beyond alabama. lot of families are trying to figure out does does it make sense for them to try in vitro fertilization? house is the dollars it costs. will it go to result in nothing what happens to contraception is that next i think there are a lot of families, not just swimming, a lot of families who are asking, what does this mean when you have your rights taken away? when my three daughters have fewer rights than their mother something's going on and we've got to change it, but we've got to do it at the national level because it was dobbs at the national level which took away rights. these decisions as an alabama are hurting alabamians. but if we've got to do with this at the national level expla

only one justice in that majority in dobbs went out of his way to reject the idea that fetuses have equal protection. the other four were silent on that issue, and frankly, justice alito's majority opinion had a lot of language that hinted that he was at least curious about the possibility that states had a constitutional requirement to limit or ban abortion. that is top of agenda for conservative lawyers in a second trump term, and it's the kind of thing that's hard to grasp, if you haven't really kind of dug into both the legal and theological underpinnings, but it is emerging into the legal mainstream very quickly. >> what about guy marriage? >> absolutely on the chopping block, and i think lgbtq rights broadly are very clearly imperilled. the supreme court will soon decide whether states are permitted to outlaw, criminalize gender affirming care not only for minors but for adults. i think there's a good chance the court will uphold those bans. it is in play with roberts and gorsuch sometimes siding with trans litigants. imagine trump replaces sotomayor or kagan with another alito type

candidly, in the post-roe, post-dobbs era, that's not always been the case. both who don't know the kind of care they can seek, who don't know the kind of care they can get, whether it's around abortion, and now the same confusion being applied to ivf. we also saw the same confusion around access to the abortion pill, mifepristone. all of this is being called into question because of things that courts have decided. >> ali, president biden's campaign is squarely going after donald trump for this ruling in alabama, saying it's one of the ramifications of the dobbs decision. trump himself silent on the matter, sort of unlike him. do we have any sense as to where he and his campaign will come down on this, and more broadly, how is this going to play politically as 2024 approaches? >> yeah, he's been silent on the matter, and i think you and i both know that that's, a, a rarity, as you point out, and, b, probably a new sign of what they're trying to do with this version of the trump campaign. whether it's trump campaign 3.0 at this point, they want him to be slig

i think dobbs was probably the immediate perpetrator.d said, these are not or kls. these are political players. and they just took away freedom from half the people in the country. i think the other piece of this is the drip, drip, drip of ethics scandals that we have been seeing over the last couple years reported out by politico and other places who have been covering the court as a play to play -- pay to play where if you are a multimillionaire or billionaire, even if you have interests before the court, you can pay money and take a justice of your choosing fishing. and i think the stories are deeply connected because in some sense, everything we talked about in the last segment, which is dark money, big money going to get the outcomes they want by buying the court, those same stories are the same big money is being poured into a kind of deregulatory agenda. the stuff we're seeing this year about ending agency power and authority, i think that the kind of scales have fallen off our eyes and we're seeing the court as an institution tha

when asked about the dobbs thing , don't you maybe think he had something to do? they all hated dobbs. three of the 15 said maybe trump bore partial responsibility for it. that sounds about right to me. i have seen the people. i live with the people. they cannot hold these things in their heads. sarah: part of the biggest problem for democrats, and here is where i think it will help. you may have noticed joe biden is not to doing great with people aged 29 and younger. young folks -- remember the focus group we did and one of the girls is like he is likely same age as my grandma and she says a lot of problematic stuff. i think maybe he is like that. the thing that will get those people out, it will not be joe biden but it will be those issues and the contrast between joe biden saying i will protect reproductive freedom and being able to prosecute a case against republicans who would to get rid of it. donald trump will point at the justices who overturned roe v. wade. it does a lot for the enthusiasm that is not there for trump -- for joe biden. a.b.: you argued thi

and of course now we have dobbs and the dissent turns in dobbs and dobbs decision that overruled roeversus wade. the dissenters in dobbs specifically point to skinner, oklahoma, as one of the opinions that they think is very much threatened by the logic in the framework of dobbs. but it had important implications other areas also skinner is cited and relied on in the same sex marriage case by the supreme court, and it's cited and relied on in the interim in the interracial marriage case by the supreme court. so again, had a long lasting impact. and it in many ways it seems to be under fire. the smith all right. the voting rights case that had a tremendous impact, some historians believe, that launched the trajectory of civil rights. the culminated ten years later in brown versus board of education and it had a tremendous impact on voting. now, full voting rights wouldn't be secured until the courageous of many citizens. the passage of the voting rights act in 1965. but smith versus. all right. was a very important foundation for that. and it represents a door opening approach to voti

-- emanating from the dobbs decision. just like the supreme court decision to overturn roe, there is only one word to describe last week's alabama supreme court decision, shameful. it's shameful that families trying to get pregnant now have to worry access to in vitro fertilization will be taken away. it's channelful that in the 2 -- shameful that in the 21st century women have to travel hundreds of miles for basic health care and doctors fear criminal prosecution just for doing their jobs. it is shameful that the united states has become an embarrassment to the world when it comes to reproductive freedom. it's especially shameful that hard right republicans, who spent decades parking our courts -- packing our courts with hard right judges are trying to backpedal and sound reasonable in support of ivf. that back-pedaling won't last. it's as if they lit a match, the house is on fire, and they say why is that house on fire? they did everything to lead up to this. we know that. make no mistake, the shameful state of a woman'

this was pre-dobbs.f wreckage that we may see across myriad states because often these clinics work in different states, and already in alabama you have a university saying we are going to suspend, you have organization saying we won't transport into that state, it is pure chaos that has resulted now in the wake of dobbs. >> the croyle t and the chaos is a point. michele goodwin, mark joseph stern, thank you so much for being with us. next hour, the director of the white house general gendered policy -- biden's administration response to the ivf ruling. be sure to follow the show on social media, our handle everywhere is at the weekend msnbc. s at the weekend msnbc. hellooo new apartment. one bank for now. for later. for life. chase. make more of what's yours. every day, more dog people, and more vets are deciding it's time for a fresh approach to pet food. they're quitting the kibble. and kicking the cans. and feeding their dogs dog food that's actually well, food. developed with vets. made from real me

alabama supreme court ruling literally cites the dobbs decision, by my count, 15 times. >> the alabamaourt cited dobbs repeatedly for the proposition that embryos are human beings with equal protection under the law it just could not have happened if trump had not appointed the three justices who led the way in overturning roe v wade. >> seth: countdown to trump immediately backing away from the thing he just bragged about. there's a good chance if he's asked about ivf, he's going to pull a homer simpson meme. [ laughter ] so the conservative alabama supreme court repeatedly cited the dobbs decision overturning roe v wade in its own decision declaring that all embryos are children and yet there's some republicans and right-wing pundits claiming that actually this decision has nothing to do with dobbs and republicans have no intention of banning ivf. >> white house secretary karine jean-pierre was just asked about the alabama supreme court ruling that stated frozen embryos amount to unborn children she tied it to roe v wade, and it has nothing to do with roe v wade >> hillary clinton's

that was before dobbs. that was before the legal landscape was volcanically uprooted by this supreme court, which has been captured by a far-right fringe. some may have wondered why at that time i asked what seemed like a very far-fetched, object view its, arcane question. a lot of people probably didn't even know what it meant. and they may have also wondered why justice barrett refused to answer such an obvious question with such a self-evident answer. wasn't it settled that ivf free trade agreement is not only legally protected -- ivf treatment is not only legally protected but also a scientific miracle. think of it for a moment. the science here that is now accessible to every american, everyone in the world. and wasn't ivf pro-family, having children, parents who wanted a child and they may have wondered as well, wasn't ivf the last best hope for so many people struggling with infertility desperately seeking to experience the miracle of childbirth for themselves? who could possibly object to that mirac

and again, this is all happening in the wake of dobbs as many said. dobson justice alito wrote the majority opinion. there were a lot of elements of fetal personhood. he speaks of unborn children throughout the opinion. there was a case in texas where there was a wrongful death suit under texas law filed against a woman who had helped another woman seek a medication abortion. the idea was that these women contributed to the negligent death of a person. as a homicide. we have already seen that the fight that is state supreme court has done this, it really opens the door wide. we are now at the point where the window is wide open, and we are normalizing the prospect of fetal personhood. and that was always the endgame for the pro-life movement. this settlement, state-by-state settlement, that dobbs created was never a lasting stadelman. because if you believe that abortion is murder, as many in the pro-life movement do, you cannot be okay with some states deciding that it is fine and other states being opposed to it. so fetal personhood was always the n

and again, this is all happening in the wake of dobbs as many said.o wrote the majority opinion. there were a lot of elements of fetal personhood. he speaks of unborn children throughout the opinion. there was a case in texas where there was a wrongful death suit under texas law filed against a woman who had helped another woman seek a medication abortion. the idea was that these women contributed to the negligent death of a person. as a homicide. we have already seen that the fight that is state supreme court has done this, it really opens the door wide. we are now at the point where the window is wide open, and we are normalizing the prospect of fetal personhood. and that was always the endgame for the pro-life movement. this settlement, state-by-state settlement, that dobbs created was never a lasting stadelman. because if you believe that abortion is murder, as many in the pro-life movement do, you cannot be okay with some states deciding that it is fine and other states being opposed to it. so fetal personhood was always the next candidate, it is

no, that was a dobbs election. this may be a dobbs decade.there are times when i look at this electorate and i wonder can the republicans win a national election until they figure out their position on abortion, and i don't know if they can. >> they're all over the map in terms of messaging and yamiche, you were on the ground in alabama. >> the human impact of this cannot be underscore. the trauma that i talk to when i witnessed women say that they spent years and thousands and thousands of dollars preparing for ivf only to get calls from their doctors the day before that their procedures were cancelled and people will remember that no matter the legislation. let's remember the republicans took a week for them to coalesce along the idea of supporting ivf. >> they had to check with the groups to see what they could say. >> i saw her physically feel relief when donald trump said that he was going to come out and she said it was head spinning to think that politics was the reason why she can now tell her patients that they can have their dreams

no, that was a dobbs election. this may be a dobbs decade.nder can the republicans win a national election until they figure out their position on abortion and i don't know if they can. >> they're all over the map in terms of messaging and yamiche, you were on the ground in alabama. >> the human impact of this cannot be underscore. the trauma that i talk to when i witnessed women say that they spent years and thousands and thousands of dollars preparing for ivf only to get calls from their doctors the day before that their procedures were cancelled and people will remember that no matter the legislation. let's remember the republicans took a week on the idea that they supported with ivf. >> they had to check with the groups to see what they could say. >> i saw her physically feel relief when donald trump said that he was going to come out and she said it was head spinning to think that politics was the reason why she can now tell her patients that they can have their dreams again and they won't be crushed. >> lahnee? >> we've seen a shift of

one, concerning what it is that your team might be learning and/or seeing post dobbs decision. after 50 years of precedent set by roe v. wade, we got a dobbs decision, where the preliminary data has shown that there is an increase in attacks against medical clinics that provide abortion related healthcare. in my own state of california, this dangerous behavior has reared its head as of late. there were three men involved in conspiring to firebomb a reproductive health clinic. talk to me a little bit, director wray, and share with the american public what the fbi, your agency, has been doing post dobbs decision? what trends are you seeing relative to the threats facing reproductive health clinics? >> i'm happy to get going on. some things you might expect, some things you might not expect. in the category of things you might expect, certainly, we continue to see violence against a variety of establishments, motivated by views on abortion. you mentioned a few cases in your question, and we pursue those cases on the criminal side through the face act, and in some instances, if the

laura coates live starts right now >> now, have you thought dobbs, we're just about abortion void. why have some news for you tonight on laura coates live? >> you know, when roe v. wade was overturned, there were all sorts of questions about what would happen once the issue of abortion. and back to the states, they wondered what would happen with medical abortion using drugs like mifepristone remember that would contraceptives be impacted. but did you think you to the day when it impacted, say ivf well, here we are because the alabama supreme court ruling that frozen embryos created through ivf our children babies, quote, kept alive in a cryogenic nursing nursery while they awaited implantation. >> now, >> think about what that means for the hundreds of thousands of american to undergo ivf every single year that could include in a very likely does include maybe you were for someone you know, in a moment, we're going to talk to somebody who is a very familiar face who will tell us her own personal story. >> but >> does this ruling maybe go further than you imagined? does it mean, fo

post, the dobbs decision. where after 50 years of precedent set by roe versus wade we've got a dobbs decision with a preliminary data has shown that there has been an increase in a tax against medical clinics that provide abortion related healthcare. in my own state of california this dangerous behavior has reared its head as of late. there were three men who were involved in conspiring to firebomb a reproductive health clinic. talk to me a little bit director ray, and share with the american public what the fbi and your agencies have been doing post dobbs decision. what trans are using relative to the threats facing reproductive health clinics? >> sure, happy to take that on. some things you will probably expect. some things you might not expect. in the category of things you might expect. certainly, we continue to see violence against a variety of establishments motivated by views on abortion. and you mentioned a few cases in your question. and we pursue those cases on the criminal side through the face act,

and it dobbs, there's a whole footnote on personhood, and life at conception.l the heritage foundation plans for a trump administration. so, come on, folks. >> yeah. >> it's right there in front of us. >> and chief justice, i mean, justice clarence thomas has already laid the predicate for contraception issue to come before the court. >> so we need to take this seriously. when people tell you who they are, believe them. when the supreme court writes a majority opinion, bring it. thanks, mirage you, thank you very, very much. tomorrow, folks, we are going to discuss this ruling with jennifer klein. she's the chair of the two your policy council at the white house. stick with us, okay? grab another cup of coffee, because we do have another jam- packed hour to get your day started, including south carolina james clyburn, -- panelist mary mccord, and have posted some julia ioffe. you're watching the weekend. ju. you're watching the weekend. want the power of 5 serum benefits in 1? olay super serum activates on skin to hydrate, smooth, visibly firm, brighten, and im

. >> well, the dobbs decision, this summer, that i was so grateful to see, the majority to which was made up of supreme court justices, but we appointed and confirmed to the court, really gave the country a new beginning for life. >> it was a new beginning for life, according to the most pious man in the trump white house, a man so conservative he would not allow himself to be alone in the same room with a woman who was not his wife. mike pence was unafraid to be a christian warrior. he wasn't afraid to call for a national abortion ban when other members of his party shied away from the issue. but then mike pence was asked about in vitro fertilization. >> there are people who are concerned that if you start with abortion access restrictions that will also lead to restrictions on ivf treatment. if you believe life beginning can begins at conception, you can make that argument. should it be protected as a right? >> the vice began his answer with details about his and his wife struggles with fertility and the use of ivf to conceive their children. and that led mike pence to this. >> but

. >> well, the dobbs decision this summer that i was so grateful to see majority of which was made up by supreme court justices, we appointed and confirmed to them at the court really gave the country a new beginning for life. >> it was a new beginning for life, according to the most pious man, and trump white house. he would not allow himself to be in the same room with a woman who was not his wife. mike pence was on afraid to be a christian warrior. he wasn't afraid to call for a national abortion ban when other members of his party shied away from the issue. but then mike pence was asked about in vitro fertilization. >> there are people who are concerned that if you start with abortion access restrictions that it will also lead to restrictions on ivf treatments. if you believe life begins at conception, you can make that argument. should it be protected us right? >> the vice president began its answer with details about his and his wife answered with fiscella, dion their use of ivf to concede their children. and that led light -- >> but i fully support fertility treatments. i think

once the dobbs decision is handed down, and every state is free to send rules around abortion, states like alabama adopted fetal personhood. bills. bills that said life began at the moment of conception. but the embryos that are used and ivf are post fertilization. they're postconception. they are fertilized, are permitted to grow for a few days, then they are frozen for future use. so you can see how this works. in states that have fetal personhood, life begins at conception, anything that is done to one of these embryos could possibly be carrying not just civil consequences, which is what has at stake in the case of the alabama supreme court decided, but they could carry criminal consequences. that is the setup here. >> carol lee, this supreme court decision and alabama, how risky is this for republicans in an election year? >> here is the dynamic. the republicans were already struggling with how to message on abortion. and now -- >> they are going for there further. >> they have this. prominent republicans from senator tuberville of alabama who didn't seem to understand what the ru

as you noted in my last question to you, this all stems from that dobbs decision.on of the decision that was made by the supreme court thanks in large part to those three justices who were appointed by the former president, donald trump. >> absolutely that's the case. we are seeing the political fallout in alabama where state legislators were quick to rush back to the floor with legislation. there are bills in both the house and senate in alabama that would say, whatever else we have seen in our laws and the rules that we have adopted, we didn't mean to say that embryos were children and ivf can move forward. that's a little bit of a inconsistecy is the nicest word for it. it does open the door to when else can you have exception? would this apply to ectopic pregnancy? would it apply to rape and incest in states that have difficult rules that don't permit abortion even there? the political problems that this exposes republicans to are nothing compared to the uncertainty that it exposes american women who are just trying to get medical care to. >> that's a really im

abortion or ivf or anything else, if they support dobbs, if they support the president, they support any state, any state in the country going as far as they. like and it is causing huge problems. obviously it was part of successes all over the country in 2022, it's a huge reason that voters are going to turn out in 2024. it's a huge problem for them, that's why you saw republicans all scrambling to all of a sudden backtrack on their very clear voting records and position on ivf, specifically. not to mention all that rest of the things they already said they supported. this is terrible for them. it is just like all the other positions have taken on abortion. it is a different. they are and that minority. they have adopted as a party a position that is a single digit position. >> and therein lies the problem of political office, if you will, for republicans. but for democrats, it is a good day at the office to have an ivf conversation, a broader abortion conversation. >> she's already started tasting messages. that's true. they can try to back away from it. but we have got them on fil

but you're gonna see, i think, a shift in that, considering dobbs, and now that there is a direct threat that joe biden went from 53% to 58% in the last couple of months. and a lot of that has to do with women supporting democrats because they're looking at trump and republicans going, we don't want our lives looking like we have less rights than our grandmothers did. >> and aaron i've got two questions for you -- are going to respond to that? go ahead. >> i was going to because, i mean, tara is making such a good point. we have got to also focus, for talking about race and gender, we have to also ask, you know, what are white women planning to do in this moment? you know, knowing everything that we certainly know about the former president and where he is on democracy, with democracy being on the ballot, but also in this post-dobbs reality. if new hampshire and iowa are any indication, we know that white women are absolutely not planning to go anywhere in the republican party at least, when it comes to the former president. they're still supporting him, just despite his legal woes, desp

they learned what the dobbs decision did to them electorally.at this kind of position on ivf could also do to their chances. and i think that it is really important for people to understand, this is not just some reproductive assistance that is available to rich women who decide to defer their childbearing years. this is something that is essential for people who suffer catastrophic injuries, such as some of our veterans, who need ivf in order to conceive. this is needed by people who have cancer, and half to save their eggs before they undergo chemotherapy. there is a whole litany of situations where ivf is the only thing that enables someone to have a child. and you know, -- the court in alabama, the judge who wrote that decision, frankly was just saying out loud what we know the gop thinks. which is that these decisions should not be based in science, they shouldn't be based in a woman's right to control her own body, but instead that somebody should have the ability, somebody in government should have the ability to control how we use our ow

once the dobbs decision is handed down, and every state is free to send rules around abortion, states like alabama adopted fetal personhood. bills bills that says that life began at the moment of conception. but the embryos that are used and ivf are post fertilization. they are post consumption. they are fertilized, are permitted to grow for a few days, then they are frozen for future use. so you can see how this works. in states that have fetal personhood, life begins at conception, anything that is done to one of these embryos could possibly be carrying not just civil consequences, which is what is at stake in the case that the alabama supreme court decided, but they could carry criminal consequences. that is the setup here. >> this decision in alabama, how risky is this for republicans in an election year? >> here is the dynamic. the republicans were already struggling with how to message on abortion. and now -- they have this. prominent republicans from senator tuberville of alabama who didn't seem to understand what the ruling meant. >> he called it a bill. >> to nikki haley, tim

they learned what the dobbs decision did to them electorally.hat this kind of position on ivf could also do to their chances. and i think that it is really important for people to understand, this is not just some reproductive assistance that is available to rich women who decide to defer their childbearing years. this is something that is essential for people who suffer catastrophic injuries, such as some of our veterans, who need ivf in order to conceive. this is needed by people who have cancer, and half to save their eggs before they undergo chemotherapy. there is a whole litany of situations where ivf is the only thing that enables someone to have a child. and you know, the court in alabama, the judge who wrote that decision, frankly was just saying out loud what we know the gop thinks. which is that these decisions should not be based in science, they shouldn't be based in a woman's right to control her own body, but instead that somebody should have the ability, somebody in government should have the ability to control how we use our own

starting with dobbs, that it would move to more and more restrictions on women, reproductive rights, and what women can do with their bodies, and at this point right now, i can tell you that in swing states, this issue is something republicans do not want to talk about. you're talking about states like arizona, michigan, nevada, where the constituency there is over 60% pro choice. you are looking at a state like wisconsin where you have hundreds of thousands of women who deal with infertility. 6 million women in this country deal with infertility. one in eight couples deal with infertility. this is a huge issue for people trying to have families in this country. it's another example of republicans interfering in private decisions. if democrats were smart, they would use this as a freedom issue. that's something that republicans used to run on all the time, freedom of the individual choice, and you're moving into an area where you're getting into people making decisions about their families. republicans recognize that this is politically difficult for them. when you have three republi

of 2022, and that since dobbs happened, the decision to end roe v. wade, there's been a basic fundamental dynamic in our politics that's played out again and again in election after election, which is that democrats are over-performing expectations in polls and republicans are underperforming. you're even seeing that start to play out here in early 2024. >> one of the main things, you say trump is a less attractive character and candidate today than he was in 2016. now, one of those things that democrats feel is unattractive, but his supporters do not feel, is the 91 counts and the four indictments that he has levelled against him. and now that the federal appeals court has denied his desire to be given presidential immunity, saying that he is not immune and that he can be prosecuted with all the rights of a defendant, that he's just citizen trump, do you think that will impact whoever needs to be impacted? obviously it's potentially maga voters that will come out for him as they have done in the past. >> i think that donald trump is a far weaker can

dobbs had a foot note and amy coney barrett refused to answer question about person hood.e next place they'll go is contraception and it is impossible for the republicans to detangle themselves from this situation and it is our job to hold them accountable. we just did an ad bye in six congressional areas on this very issue. they are squirming. they have no place to go. >> 71% of people in this country support legal abortion in all or most instances, 86% support not the current legal structure on ivf, but increased access to ivf. you guys aren't going anywhere. i want to show both of you what women in alabama are saying today about what it means to be denied access in their homes to starting families. families. with no children and no casinos. we actually have reinvented ocean voyages, designing all-inclusive experiences for the thinking person. viking - voted world's best by both travel + leisure and condé nast traveler. learn more at viking.com. introducing ned's plaque psoriasis. he thinks his flaky, red patches are all people see. otezla is the #1 prescribed pill to tr

and they have enough trouble with the issue of abortion and the dobbs decision. and this is supposed to be a party that is profamily and what this does is it hurts women's chances, families chances of growing. and i think most people in congress understand that maybe tommy tuberville didn't but i think that because he said he supported the decision but then he said he wanted amylase to grow. >> let's let's listen to that time we tuberville, who not only as a conservative republican, happens to represent the state of bama i was all for you just got to look at everything going on in a country. it's just attack on families aren't you concerned that this could impact people hoarding? trying to have kids? >> well, that's that's for another conversation. i think the big thing is right now, you protect, you go back to the situation and try to work it out to work best for everybody. people need to have access. people who need to have that. we need more kids. >> would you like to translate, jackie? >> i don't know what ivf is >> what that >> seemed to indicate know. but t

many republican women, i know independent women don't agree with the dobbs decision, but he made that happen and now we're living in the class were on the front lines of protecting women from other states. i mean, new mexico is leaning in to making sure women in oklahoma and texas and nevada have safe harbor in our state for comprehensive, we're talking about basic health care in reproductive rights and abortion care and aftercare, it's outrageous and the longer it takes for women to get to states where were the last bastion of their freedoms and their health care choices the more damaging and dangerous this rhetoric i agree with you about hey, ban or any context that limits your individual rate. >> i talked to my team about our laws and i said, are we allowed to use our shield laws which we enacted after dobbs to protect anyone from prosecution who may be involved in an abortion in another state. can they come can women who want to have birth by and if pregnancy by in vitro come to new york state or bring the embryos with them. and we say yes, yes, you'll be your rights we protected

dobbs. dobbs like if you're smart democrat, that's what you're trying to do in your state because that drives out turn out that gets that show gets people to the polls. they not be excited for joe biden, but they're excited about that and they will will sharpe. >> you mentioned this about trump, but he he did say he wants the alabama legislature to move quickly. and so he's trying to reposition himself here. if you're the democrat and you don't want to let him move. how do you get glue under the feet >> yeah. well, look, i don't think he is smart to do that. i expect the alabama legislature will act on this because he has that kind of command. but i'm not sure that he can escape you can't brag throughout a primary campaign about you are the one who was responsible for roe being overturned and then run away from it easily in a general election. there's a thing called videotape, and i understand the democrats have some in which he talked about this endlessly. and so i think you're going to see

when asked about the dobbs thing , don't you maybe think he had something to do? they all hated dobbs. three of the 15 said maybe trump bore partial responsibility for it. that sounds about right to me. i have seen the people. i live with the people. they cannot hold these things in their heads. sarah: part of the biggest problem for democrats, and here is where i think it will help. you may have noticed joe biden is not to doing great with people aged 29 and younger. young folks -- remember the focus group we did and one of the girls is like he is likely same age as my grandma and she says a lot of problematic stuff. i think maybe he is like that. the thing that will get those people out, it will not be joe biden but it will be those issues and the contrast between joe biden saying i will protect reproductive freedom and being able to prosecute a case against republicans who would to get rid of it. donald trump will point at the justices who overturned roe v. wade. it does a lot for the enthusiasm that is not there for trump -- for joe biden. a.b.: you argued thi

but aftecer dobbs, the whole purpose for a face act, which was to support the so-called federal rightisappeared.the so really, what you have now is the lipstick on a pig calling them reproductive health services like birth control or ultrasound or something of that nature. but obviously, these people weren't there to protest birth control pier they were there for one reason and it was abortion. it was a peaceful undertaking,ne as you will note, it was handled locally. they prosecuted locally. and a year and a half later, th bidens doj came swooping down after dobbs had been announced and now throws the book at them and tags onto a misdemeanoronsp crime, the face act violation. the felony conspiracy charge that carries up to ten years in prison. it is absolutely outrageous.lati >> laura: paul, conspiracy to commit a violation of the face act to deprive i would imagine women of nonconstitutional right to abort their own offspring. in my understanding this correctly, paul? b >> that is right. not to be missed, they were two conspiracy options on the tablee for the department of justice.