i asked olga shevchenko, the deputy director for scientific work of the repin museum in chuguyev, to send copies of the metric books of the artist's family as proof. that his roots are ukrainian, not russian. well, let me remind you that earlier our artists of the ivazovsky coinage were also recognized as ukrainian. which was once called russian dancers, was renamed to a dancer in ukrainian clothes, well, this is also a victory, but we remember that it is very difficult to give to people who still undertake to convince museum workers, because they need very large evidence, and this is due to the fact that the whole world constantly believed that there is a great russian art, a great russian culture. which largely consists of of great ukrainian culture and now we have to prove all this, but as you can see, everything works if, if you approach it well and persistently, well, now we are moving on to the main topic of our program about petrov and ivanov, i think that you you know, but the problem is that a lot of people in ukraine start watching some new bloggers, new content, and they d

i turned to olga shevchenko, the deputy director for scientific work of the repin museum in chuguyev, to send copies of the metric books of the artist's family, as proof that his roots are ukrainian, not russian. well, let me remind you that previously our artists ivazovsky kuindzhi were also recognized as ukrainian by the metropolitan museum, as well as dyga's painting, which once was. which was once called russian dancers, was renamed to a dancer in ukrainian clothes, which is also a victory, but we remember that it is very difficult to give to people who still take to convince the museum staff, because they need a lot of evidence, and this is due to the fact that the whole world has always believed that there is a great russian art, a great russian culture, which to a large extent consists of a great ukrainian culture, and now we have to... to prove it all, but as you can see, everything works if, if you approach it well and persistently. well, now we go to the main topic of our program about petrov and ivanov, i think you know them, but the problem is that a lot of people in ukrai

i asked olga shevchenko, deputy director of research at the repin museum in chuguyev, to send copiesf metric books. of the artist's family, as proof that his roots are ukrainian, not russian. well, let me remind you that earlier our artists of the ivazovsky coinage were also recognized as ukrainian by the metropolitan museum, as well as dyga's painting, which was once called russian dancers, but was renamed to dancers in ukrainian clothes, well, this is also a victory, but we remember that it is very heavy. is given to people who nevertheless undertake to convince museum workers, because they need very large evidence, and this is due to the fact that the whole world has always believed that that there is great russian art, great russian culture, which to a large extent consists of great ukrainian culture, and we now have to prove all this, but as you can see, everything works if, if we approach it well and persistently, well, now we are moving on to the actual to the main topic of our program, about petrov and ivanov, i think you know them, but the problem is that a lot of people in

i'm olga robinson from bbc verify, also in the ukrainecast studio.e doucet, the bbc's chief international- correspondent and i'm back. in the ukrainian capital, kyiv. and i'm steven rosenberg, the bbc's russia editor and i'm in moscow. thank you all forjoining us. we have had lots of questions from listeners to the global podcast, and ukrainecast. thank you all. we will try to answer as many as we can. hello, i'm derek from london in the uk. is there really a stalemate in ukraine at the moment? this is angela from - auckland in new zealand. could you talk please - about the changes, zelensky's strategy with the departure of zaluzhnyi, the general. in charge of the army? well, lyse, first of all, is there a stalemate on the battlefield or has the tide turned in favour of russia? i will answer the question about the stalemate, and i will partially be answering the second question. it was general zaluzhnyi the last commander in chief who used the words stalemate in an interview and it is said to have angered president zelensky. he felt it was too negati

i'm olga robinson from bbc verify, also in the ukrainecast studio.'m lyse doucet, the bbc's chief international- correspondent and i'm back. in the ukrainian capital, kyiv. and i'm steven rosenberg, the bbc�*s russia editor and i'm in moscow. thank you all forjoining us. we have had lots of questions from listeners to the global podcast, and ukrainecast. thank you all. we will try to answer as many as we can. hello, i'm derek from london in the uk. is there really a stalemate in ukraine at the moment? this is angela from - auckland in new zealand. could you talk please - about the changes, zelensky's strategy with the departure of zaluzhnyi, the general. in charge of the army? well, lyse, first of all, is there a stalemate on the battlefield or has the tide turned in favour of russia? i will answer the question about the stalemate, and i will partially be answering the second question. it was general zaluzhnyi the last commander in chief who used the words stalemate in an interview and it is said to have angered president zelensky. he felt it was too

i'm olga robinson from bbc verify, also in the ukrainecast studio.e doucet, the bbc's chief international- correspondent and i'm back. in the ukrainian capital, kyiv. and i'm steven rosenberg, the bbc's russia editor and i'm in moscow. thank you all forjoining us. we have had lots of questions from listeners to the global podcast, and ukrainecast. thank you all. we will try to answer as many as we can. hello, i'm derek from london in the uk. is there really a stalemate in ukraine at the moment? this is angela from - auckland in new zealand. could you talk please - about the changes, zelensky's strategy with the departure of zaluzhnyi, the general. in charge of the army? well, lyse, first of all, is there a stalemate on the battlefield or has the tide turned in favour of russia? i will answer the question about the stalemate, and i will partially be answering the second question. it was general zaluzhnyi the last commander in chief who used the words stalemate in an interview and it is said to have angered president zelensky. he felt it was too negati