, but last yearle, colin bloom ,/ apparently you get more food, but last yearle, colin bloom , a led meant that at best, the new prisoner would be denied protection from violent muslims. but there is a lot more to it than that. and here to discuss this, joined by the man this, i'm joined by the man himself, former government himself, the former government adviser thank you adviser colin bloom. thank you very bad is the very much. and how bad is the problem islamist conversion ? problem of islamist conversion? now i want to make that distinction, obviously, between islam and islamist conversion in prisons. what does it really mean? >> well, look, want to start >> well, look, i want to start by saying that is some very good practice in prisons and there are some very, very good chaplains. and in the work that i did for my review, i did identify some excellent practice. but there is also , i practice. but there is also, i think, fair to say that a number of prisons there are very large and aggressive , islamist gangs, and aggressive, islamist gangs, if you want to put it like that, a mu

, but last yearle, colin bloom ,/ apparently you get more food, but last yearle, colin bloom , a led as a muslim meant that at best, the new prisoner would be denied protection from violent muslims. but there is a lot more to it than that. and here to discuss this, joined by the man this, i'm joined by the man himself, former government himself, the former government adviser thank you adviser colin bloom. thank you very bad is the very much. and how bad is the problem islamist conversion ? problem of islamist conversion? now i want to make that distinction, obviously, between islam and islamist conversion in prisons. what does it really mean? >> well, look, want to start >> well, look, i want to start by saying that is some very good practice in prisons and there are some very, very good chaplains. and in the work that i did for my review, i did identify some excellent practice. but there is also , i practice. but there is also, i think, fair to say that a number of prisons there are very large and aggressive , islamist gangs, and aggressive, islamist gangs, if you want to put it lik

we can cross now to a former government adviser colin bloom, and we were speaking to you just beforet?— statement? thought it was very measured- _ statement? thought it was very measured. it _ statement? thought it was very measured. it was _ statement? thought it was very measured. it was very - statement? thought it was very measured. it was very well - measured. it was very well delivered, it is exactly what you would expect from a politician as polished and professional as michael gove. i don't think the angela rayner�*s response was also very good and measured, and i think she made a lot of very excellent points, and probably the best point that she made was, why has it taken so long? one of my complaints is that this is a welcome move, a small move in the right direction, but it should have been done years ago. better late than never, i'm glad this is where it is, and i hope this is the beginning of parliamentarians and government being a lot braver in taking steps to eradicate extremism in our midst. this taking steps to eradicate extremism in our midst-— in our midst. as we m