kassidy is a wonderful example. she didn't just have the right ideas.ot of people have those ideas. a lot of people if you ask them in a survey, yeah, rule of law is fantastic. the real test is are we the kind of people that can follow through on our intentions in the moment of crisis? and that's a real issue for us. t.s. eliot once suggested -- by the way, he was not posit this,n observation. the great human endeavor has been to create a system so have to be good. and that is the political that we have. th without being the kind of people who can back them up and that is why moral formation is so critical. er i want to invite my fellow panelists to jump in as you see fit. if there are other thoughts, feel free. >> before i begin, i want to thank all of you for being here greet and talk with last night and during the day so far. it is so gratiinsh. you are -- i am old enough to remember george h w bush'she grl society that was out there. he called it 1000 points of light. that is what i see in this group and it is unbelievablythank you. [applause] i lov

kassidy is a wonderful example. she didn't just have the right ideas. a lot of people have those ideas. a lot of people if you ask them in a survey, yeah, rule of law is fantastic. the real test is are we the kind of people that can follow through on our intentions in the moment of crisis? and that's a real issue for us. t.s. eliot once suggested -- by the way, he was not positive about this, it was an observation. the great human endeavor has been to create a system so perfect that people no longer have to be good. and that is the political that we have. that we can have the right answers without being the kind of people who can back them up and that is why moral formation is so critical. cherie: i want to invite my fellow panelists to jump in as you see fit. if there are other thoughts, feel free. >> before i begin, i want to thank all of you for being here and all of the people i was able to greet and talk with last night and during the day so far. it is so gratifying to see you in the flesh. you are -- i am old enough to remember george h w bush's e

i know kassidy agrees with me. thank you for being an iniration to us. let's get right into it. focus a little bit on what brought them to where they ocess of speaking out. i want to reserve time to talk about what a second donald trump term, godfrey bed, would look like -- god forbid, would look like. all of us have unique insight and i think at the moment it is not getting enough attention. if both of you could just share what ultimately made you want to speak out and what that process looks like for you and the days, the weeks, months that followed after you do something like that. >> go for it. >> bypass was not exact -- my path was not exactly linear. i work in the white house for the chief of staff until january 20i did plan to move to mar-a-lo with mr. trump after the administration even after january 6. i look back on that now and i have a very different perspective. at time when i was -- at the time i was still entrenched in that world iund him. i had been blinded to the fact he was surrounded by enablers, but he is also the perpetrator. i think that speaks to a lot of

i acknowledge that. >> kassidy hutchinson is a liar and handed me an envelope.idn't give me a single thing.]' your time is expired. maybe he will yield you some time. at the chair recognizes you from buffalo for five minutes. >> thank you very much mr. chairman. glad it's so quiet in here. on the first day of the presidency then press secretary claimed the objective and his commitment was to bring transparency and the truth back to government to share the truth even when it's hard to hear. that is obviously laughable just about as laughable as when hunter biden claimed he was trying to avoid when he had of million-dollar payment from a chinese company through 16 different bank wires through jim biden's accoun if you are trying to avoid the fees why sent three difference ones over the months to a different account? it's a different joke. to live up to his promise to bring transparency is influence peddling in ukraine where he pressured th a prosecutor general victor who was investigating the owner of burisma. whilee was vice president, his son hunter biden was as

kassidy had the chance to be on from ari melber and our idean here and idea was to really do a little bit more of the side and the personal journey of you and who you are and this extraordinary extraordinary■q ad what was pretty brutal coming of age story in dc, the cautionary tale but ultimately inspirational one, i think, and i know this has been inspiring for me as iweame to know througr teimee to investigate the january six attack on the united capitol. but it wasn't until about a year after that testify that you were able to to begin writing story and to telling your your full story publicly. and so'd like to start from the beginning. you're a jersey gir jstrong. tell tell me. audience about jersey with a mom and dad who split wh younger brother. you were born in your home. so w y brother. one of the both of us were your both home. $mbut and your brother was born. 911. what was it like growing up in new jersey? ll us about your parents, your background, how you're growing up. was. so thank you for the warm introduction and thank you all for being here this morning. anto rano mira

kassidy had the chance to be on the stage and answer questions from ari melber and our idea here and idea was to really do a little bit more of the side and the personal journey of you and who you are and this extraordinary extraordinary and what was pretty brutal coming of age story in washington, dc, the cautionary tale but ultimately inspirational one, i think, and i know this has been inspiring for me as i so we all know the public came to know through your testimony before the house select committee to investigate the january six attack on the united capitol. but it wasn't until about a year after that testify that you were able to to begin writing story and to telling your your full story publicly. and so i'd like to start from the beginning. you're a jersey girl, jersey strong. tell tell me. audience about growing up in new jersey with a mom and dad who split when you were in fifth grade. a younger brother. you were born in your home. so was your brother. one of the both of us were your both home. but and your brother was born. before 911. what was it like growing up in new je