chasing clicks margaret sullivan, welcome back to our program. >> thank you very much. so look, we wanted to talk to you because you wrote an article calling out, quote, the media is circular logic and destructive a session with biden's age. so i wanted to really drill down to make sure i fully understand. is it a problem for the biden campaign or is it a problem for or the people at large to really understand and know what's going on >> well, i think it distorts reality. we know that biden is old. he's 81. his likely opponent, donald trump, will be 78 very soon. and we're not telling the public, we're not really doing our job as members of the press when we fixate on something. and then there's all kinds of reports about well, the public is very concerned about this because he's dogged by these questions. well, i ask, who's doing the dogging? >> the dogging you're saying is the press essentially in at least in part as you know, there's been quite a lot of exploration of this whole phenomenon. it's gone a bit viral democrats through in a bit of a tizzy about a lot of th