dal babu is a former chief superintendent in the metropolitan police.i'm very familiar with the area hainault. i was a sergeant there many years ago. it's a relatively quiet area. it's on the outskirts of london. it has relatively little crime and disorder. so this will come as a big shock to the local community. i think what the police will be doing once they've had those calls in at 7:00 in the morning, they would have been responding. you would have had multiple units responding to that. because of the sword that's been seen in the footage you may would have may well have aave's armed response vehicles attending as well. hainault is not that far from essex. so you may actually have essex police officers attending as well as metropolitan police officers — and i think the key thing there would have been the police officers would have been going to the seat of the danger and doing what they can to protect the public. and i think that's worth remembering — the police officers run towards danger when the rest of the public will run away from it. and those

let's speak to dal babu, former chief superintendent in the metropolitan police.go into what goes into a police response to serious incidents like this? i response to serious incidents like this? ., , response to serious incidents like this? . , ., ., this? i am very familiar with the area, hainault, _ this? i am very familiar with the area, hainault, because- this? i am very familiar with the area, hainault, because i- this? i am very familiar with the area, hainault, because i was. this? i am very familiar with the area, hainault, because i was a| area, hainault, because i was a sergeant there many years ago. it's a relatively quiet area. it is on the outskirts of london. it has relatively little crime. this will come as a big shock to the local community. i think what the police will be doing, once they have had those calls at 7am, they would have been responding and you would have had multiple units responding to that. because of the sword that we have seen in the footage, you may well have had armed response vehicles attending. you may have had essex police o

we can now speak to dal babu, former metropolitan police chief superintendent.fic incident that lucy walked us through and the wider handling of demonstrations, we will come to those in a moment. 0n demonstrations, we will come to those in a moment. on this specific incident, what is your assessment? the language the police officer used was wrong and not acceptable, and the police have apologised for that, it was about somebody looking to jewish. there is a wider issue, that if you look at the full tip of 13 minutes that has been released by sky tv, you have a different understanding of what happened as opposed to the clip that has been referred to. the clip that has been used by them. in the wider clip you have police officers offering to work with him to go to any place, he is not there alone, he is with a large group, they are filming the encounter and they want to walk across the march at a particular point. they are being guided to a crossing point which he refuses to go to. he pushes past a police officer, i think he was very fortunate not to be arrested.

we're joined now by former met chief superintendent dal babu.re _ reported on the incident and said there was— reported on the incident and said there was little the police did well — there was little the police did well i— there was little the police did well. i think that lead to a wholesale change in how policing happened, particularly around murden — happened, particularly around murder. when i was a young constable, you would work on your role and _ constable, you would work on your role and he — constable, you would work on your role and be dragged off occasionally and form _ role and be dragged off occasionally and form part of the murder squad. we now— and form part of the murder squad. we now have dedicated murder squad teams _ we now have dedicated murder squad teams it— we now have dedicated murder squad teams it is— we now have dedicated murder squad teams. it is professionalised. we have _ teams. it is professionalised. we have family liaison that did not e>