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last remaining defense is michael cohen's a liar and if you don't believe michael cohen, the whole case falls apart. don't even think about corroboration, just focus on michael cohen, and that's what they're going to do. that's why the prosecution is not going to end with michael cohen. he's a controversial witness. he has had prior felonies. he perjured himself previously to lie to protect donald trump. they want to protect michael cohen by creating this firewall, and they're doing that, but the defense is trying to breakthrough that firewall here. >> so now there's redirect, so i'm curious, yasmin, how the prosecution is trying to sort of tie a bow on this testimony of doug daus. >>. >> i think they're doing exactly what we expect them to do, asking this direct question from conroy, did you see any evidence of tampering or manipulation of data, rewhat is in evidence as people's exhibit 246, and daus said i did not, right? i think we have to also reiterate and keep in mindhere, and i believe carol talked about this at the top of the show, most time with these expert witnesses, ana, the
last remaining defense is michael cohen's a liar and if you don't believe michael cohen, the whole case falls apart. don't even think about corroboration, just focus on michael cohen, and that's what they're going to do. that's why the prosecution is not going to end with michael cohen. he's a controversial witness. he has had prior felonies. he perjured himself previously to lie to protect donald trump. they want to protect michael cohen by creating this firewall, and they're doing that, but...
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it's not michael cohen. he's not one of those blockbuster witnesses but polo redoes noting earlier than he is critical because what is at the heart of this is not that donald trump paid hush money but porn star, it's how he did it and how it was labeled 20 paid michael cohen back on those internal records at the trump organization right. >> so that makes it really critical. hope hicks on friday was talking about denied, denied. denied. >> that's been the defense strategy in this trial, which is odd to me that might work for pr. >> i don't know if it does or not. that's your expertise, but in criminal trials, it does not. you have to be willing to concede certain things. so you keep your credibility. the jury is looking for which story makes more sense. so this witness is going to be important because as you say, that element about whether trump knew about the entries, the false entries is going to be the whole case. hey so the fact that he's fighting on other things like regarding stormy daniels and others i
it's not michael cohen. he's not one of those blockbuster witnesses but polo redoes noting earlier than he is critical because what is at the heart of this is not that donald trump paid hush money but porn star, it's how he did it and how it was labeled 20 paid michael cohen back on those internal records at the trump organization right. >> so that makes it really critical. hope hicks on friday was talking about denied, denied. denied. >> that's been the defense strategy in this...
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cohen or articles about michael cohen. michael cohen's new statement is, quote, the imposed fine is irrelevant. judge merchan's decision elucidates that this behavior will not be tolerated and no one is above the law. again, judge merchan finding donald trump violated nine of the ten alleged violations that were brought forward by the district attorney's office so far. and even suggested the potential jail time could be a potential consequence if donald trump were continue to violate the gag order placed on him. >> everyone watching at home, stay with us. everybody else, stay close, we'll keep an eye on that manhattan courthouse throughout this hour. we'll have more in just minutes, including another critical hearing set for thursday on more possible gag order violations after that judge's ruling today. >>> and when we're back in 60 seconds, the chaos at columbia. student protesters occupying a historic campus building, what they're demanding from their university leaders. >> these repulsive scare tactics mean nothing comp
cohen or articles about michael cohen. michael cohen's new statement is, quote, the imposed fine is irrelevant. judge merchan's decision elucidates that this behavior will not be tolerated and no one is above the law. again, judge merchan finding donald trump violated nine of the ten alleged violations that were brought forward by the district attorney's office so far. and even suggested the potential jail time could be a potential consequence if donald trump were continue to violate the gag...
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cohen because michael cohen has been out there. he has been speaking in publicly and very critical of trump and saying these things that trump's team has argued, okay, he should be able to respond to this and karen, what they're raising right now is when trump spoke to the cameras outside of the courtroom on april 22, the moment that you just saw there trump was campaigning last night and i was listening to his remarks in michigan, i believe is where it was. and they're talking about how trump is able to speak outside the courtroom about michael cohen, who is expected to be a witness here and expected testified. trump was saying he can't talk about this case at all, but he was on camera talking about the case at a rally. he is allowed to talk about the case he just can't attack witnesses or the other prosecutors on alvin bragg's team that we can still dr. alvin bragg himself exactly the judge just says, look, you can talk about the case as much as you want. >> you could campaign mean as much as you want. just can't intimidate witne
cohen because michael cohen has been out there. he has been speaking in publicly and very critical of trump and saying these things that trump's team has argued, okay, he should be able to respond to this and karen, what they're raising right now is when trump spoke to the cameras outside of the courtroom on april 22, the moment that you just saw there trump was campaigning last night and i was listening to his remarks in michigan, i believe is where it was. and they're talking about how trump...
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>> even michael cohen doesn't know. i mean, it's essentially basically they tell them to be in the area at a certain time and then but you've seen how the prosecution has been laying out the witnesses. they have someone really interesting like david pecker, come on the first day and then they'll bring in the people who are going to do basically custodial records because as you noted in a an 8:00 hour, trump's, you won't stipulate to anything. they won't say yes, our client did say that at a trump rally and 28 so they have to bring in people, say this, the chain of evidence to bring in someone today to say yes, this audio is real, it is verified. we've been able to authenticate it. and so i think that's one thing when we talk about whether a witnesses believable or not or credible or not. and michael cohen obviously is going to get a very tough cross-examination. we know that the audio tape brings trump closer to this, and it's irrefutable. it is trump's voice on there and it's trump talking about it. can we just talk a
>> even michael cohen doesn't know. i mean, it's essentially basically they tell them to be in the area at a certain time and then but you've seen how the prosecution has been laying out the witnesses. they have someone really interesting like david pecker, come on the first day and then they'll bring in the people who are going to do basically custodial records because as you noted in a an 8:00 hour, trump's, you won't stipulate to anything. they won't say yes, our client did say that at...
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it was michael cohen, and if you're taking michael cohen more it's just another avenue. the prosecution is going to be prepared for it. they know already it's the michael cohen credibility show. >> and maybe they're trying to get out in front of this idea that this was all cohen because one of the things they've been talking about with keith davidson who's there is that he's telling them that he suspected trump would have been the one ultimately to make the payments here, to exchange the money. he called it an assumption, but he pointed to how in 2016, michael cohen had told him, quote, my guy referring to trump was on the campaign trail, that cohen couldn't make decisions in his absence, davidson saying that he figured it meant cohen didn't have the authority to actually spend the money. katie, what more does the prosecution need to get out of davidson? >> well, you have to finish the chronology. there's a reason why it began with karen mcdougal and it's going through the stormy daniels part of the chronology now. i would note that what's been entered into evidence are
it was michael cohen, and if you're taking michael cohen more it's just another avenue. the prosecution is going to be prepared for it. they know already it's the michael cohen credibility show. >> and maybe they're trying to get out in front of this idea that this was all cohen because one of the things they've been talking about with keith davidson who's there is that he's telling them that he suspected trump would have been the one ultimately to make the payments here, to exchange the...
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>> i think they're going into granular detail about michael cohen is not doing this for michael cohen. michael cohen is doing this for donald trump. so they're going through the granular detail of the signatures, of pseudonyms, of michael cohen signing on behalf of david dennison. and so this didn't happen because michael cohen was trying to do this for himself. he took out $130,000 loan on his house, transferred it on october 26th, the week or around a week before the election. this was all happening, according to the prosecution, to squash this information, which played into the whole videotape of trump talking about grabbing, you know, women by their private parts. so, this was explosive and donald trump and michael cohen and the whole white house apparatus is trying to squash this story. >> so, jeffrey, what is it that -- how does the prosecutor team deal with a witness, who they haven't brought up yet, but has already been mentioned over and over again, that has, well, credibility issues, how does the prosecution prepare for that? >> well, that's what they're doing. they are layi
>> i think they're going into granular detail about michael cohen is not doing this for michael cohen. michael cohen is doing this for donald trump. so they're going through the granular detail of the signatures, of pseudonyms, of michael cohen signing on behalf of david dennison. and so this didn't happen because michael cohen was trying to do this for himself. he took out $130,000 loan on his house, transferred it on october 26th, the week or around a week before the election. this was...
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michael cohen was acting on donald trump's behalf. but was michael cohen just telling trump? i got it. you don't worry yourself about the details or was michael saying to donald trump? okay. we're structuring it this way. we're going to say their attorney bernice fees and donald trump say, yeah. okay, great. those are the two different stories here. and i see we're getting some of the texts. davidson texan howard, i can't quote. i can't believe they are asking me to go back for another 25, meaning $25,000 the deal is accepted at 1:50 k can you do that? dylan howard, of course, worked at ami fire senior editor, the national enquirer? yes. >> there is a tape recording of donald trump talking to michael cohen about the, uh, hundred and $50,000 that mcdougal thing, you know? saying something to the effect of what's it going to cost 150. so i'm sure that'll be important in this guy tape is so important, it's clear that up probably later and you can look at that, dave, it's public. i think cnn broke the story. if i remember, it's on the internet and you can look at that tape and th
michael cohen was acting on donald trump's behalf. but was michael cohen just telling trump? i got it. you don't worry yourself about the details or was michael saying to donald trump? okay. we're structuring it this way. we're going to say their attorney bernice fees and donald trump say, yeah. okay, great. those are the two different stories here. and i see we're getting some of the texts. davidson texan howard, i can't quote. i can't believe they are asking me to go back for another 25,...
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i mean, everyone who knows michael cohen knows how michael cohen is. and as he was saying that when they had to say i hate to ask you a silly question, but who was that jerk and he made clear was talking about michael cohen. it did prompt around of laughter in the corner court room, by the way. that's the prosecution who's going to be calling him as their main witness which is the jerk and angry and aggressive stuff that that's that's not good. >> but what's even a bigger problem for the prosecution's at this same witness said, quote that later who is talking to michael cohen and said, i don't believe a word really that you say. i mean, if he's mean are a jerk fine. who cares? >> but if the prosecution's witnesses saying i don't believe a word this guy was saying to me, david pepper earlier said he is prone to exaggeration. >> the banker who started off today said he basically lied to me about every aspect of this transaction is going around his wives back, didn't tell me it was political. so the defense on closing, you i mean so yeah, i'm stephanie in
i mean, everyone who knows michael cohen knows how michael cohen is. and as he was saying that when they had to say i hate to ask you a silly question, but who was that jerk and he made clear was talking about michael cohen. it did prompt around of laughter in the corner court room, by the way. that's the prosecution who's going to be calling him as their main witness which is the jerk and angry and aggressive stuff that that's that's not good. >> but what's even a bigger problem for the...
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this is the tape michael cohen made secretly of donald trump when michael cohen was the lawyer and donald trump was the client in 2016, i promise you a lot about michael cohen's confidence in his client inherited his voice. so that's the first place i was going to start and i have scrutinized this tape. >> i have listened to. i have a piece coming out on it tomorrow. i've listened to every word of it. i hate this tape from a prosecutor's point of view. first of all, the circumstances, how shady is that from michael cohen to secretly arthur aidala, you ever secretly recorded one of your clients or even think about it exact point the universe, but it's on my legal color, right? and it shows how should, so that's point number one. point number two, the tape itself, it's good for prosecutors in that it shows for sure donald trump knew about the payments to karen mcdougal, knew it was $150,000 and was okay with it. but that's not the crime. i keep saying it. the crime is in the accounting of it, the structuring of it. and when it gets to that trump is fairly ignorant of that and cohen says to
this is the tape michael cohen made secretly of donald trump when michael cohen was the lawyer and donald trump was the client in 2016, i promise you a lot about michael cohen's confidence in his client inherited his voice. so that's the first place i was going to start and i have scrutinized this tape. >> i have listened to. i have a piece coming out on it tomorrow. i've listened to every word of it. i hate this tape from a prosecutor's point of view. first of all, the circumstances, how...
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corroborating michael cohen. you can believe michael cohen when he says that he took $130,000 line of credit and he created this llc and then he wired it to mr. davidson. why? because mr. pharaoh explained how and mr. davidson explained how. miss daniels explained how. it's very important to put all of these people to corroborate michael cohen. outline the conspiracy to promote donald trump's election by unlawful means which is what the prosecution theory is for that additional crime that would elevate the falsifying business records to a felony. he is very important. he negotiated with michael cohen. >> vaughn, going from what catherine mentioned, has there been any sightings of stormy daniels today outside of the courthouse? >> reporter: no, not at this point in time. we have received no word about stormy daniels being seen. she's been public about her documentary that was released on peacock just about a month ago here ahead of this trial. outside of that, she has had social media posts, but we have not seen h
corroborating michael cohen. you can believe michael cohen when he says that he took $130,000 line of credit and he created this llc and then he wired it to mr. davidson. why? because mr. pharaoh explained how and mr. davidson explained how. miss daniels explained how. it's very important to put all of these people to corroborate michael cohen. outline the conspiracy to promote donald trump's election by unlawful means which is what the prosecution theory is for that additional crime that would...
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mcconney was asked if he interacted with michael cohen. he said he had conversations with him by the coffee machine. what else are prosecutors learning? >> reporter: he said he understood him to be a lawyer, sheepishly stating that, while he was at the trump org saichlths now we've moved on to the critical part, january of 2017. this is happening as donald trump is preparing and being sworn into office and then all the way to the week after donald trump's first week in the white house. this is conversations that jeffrey mcconney, the controller for the trump organization, is now articulating in front of the jury. it has to do with what allen weisselberg told him about the reimbursement checks to michael cohen. again, allen weisselberg we don't expect to testify. that's what makes jeffrey mcconney's testimony so key here. they're going in january of 2017, beginning have to have a conversation about those checks that needed to get back to michael cohen, mcconney is saying. he's noting as the guy overseeing the ledger for the trump organizati
mcconney was asked if he interacted with michael cohen. he said he had conversations with him by the coffee machine. what else are prosecutors learning? >> reporter: he said he understood him to be a lawyer, sheepishly stating that, while he was at the trump org saichlths now we've moved on to the critical part, january of 2017. this is happening as donald trump is preparing and being sworn into office and then all the way to the week after donald trump's first week in the white house....
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wasn't it important for michael cohen to impress the boss. michael cohen could have been doing this just to make an impression on donald trump without donald trump's involvement or knowledge. that would have been a very effective cross, particularly given that these folks, they don't dispute that there was a nondisclosure agreement. they're very happy to admit that there was. and in fact, they want davidson to help them establish that ndas are standard operating procedure. >> that was his first question. >> just as they did with david pecker. taking a wider lens out, we are still focused on the conspiracy. there will come a point in time where the d.a.'s attention shifts to the back half and really the more important part of the case although the duller part of the case. how did donald trump and others around him then get together to cover this up through false business records that the trump organization and beyond. right now we're still all about the election and making sure donald trump won in 2016 in part through the cooperation and help
wasn't it important for michael cohen to impress the boss. michael cohen could have been doing this just to make an impression on donald trump without donald trump's involvement or knowledge. that would have been a very effective cross, particularly given that these folks, they don't dispute that there was a nondisclosure agreement. they're very happy to admit that there was. and in fact, they want davidson to help them establish that ndas are standard operating procedure. >> that was his...
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you have michael cohen on paperwork, michael cohen having texts, phone call, there's not a lot of donald trump. the only direct donald trump conversations we've got so far was from the first witness, and that was david pecker. >> in the end, the lot of this is a side show. the key question is when trump directed those payments to be made to michael cohen and when he directed records to be made and if he directed records to be made, and false records to be made. there's likely a witness from trump tower, inside the trump organization who's going to say, yes, trump said, write them to michael cohen, and here's how i knew. >> they need the witness to say as plainly as that? >> it can't be they knew. it can't be i assumed this because that's -- >> it has to be i saw this. >> davidson said, he didn't say i know for a fact donald trump was going to be paying the $130,000. he said i assumed it was him or corporate affiliation, so it can't be speculation or assumption. right now we have it's michael cohen. and he's corroborated, yes he took out the 130. and all of his acts are corroborated. so f
you have michael cohen on paperwork, michael cohen having texts, phone call, there's not a lot of donald trump. the only direct donald trump conversations we've got so far was from the first witness, and that was david pecker. >> in the end, the lot of this is a side show. the key question is when trump directed those payments to be made to michael cohen and when he directed records to be made and if he directed records to be made, and false records to be made. there's likely a witness...
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paid to michael cohen every year. the break down, $105,000 total from the revokable trust and $315,000 total from donald trump's personal account. each payment going through donald trump himself. important to lay that out, jose, the documentation and, again, going back to the importance of these documents for the jury to understand completely why it is they paid out a total of $420,000 to michael cohen over a period of a year to reimburse him and once again breaking it down to $130,000 that was going to stormy daniels. a $60,000 pay out for a bonus. then the rest of it all for taxes, totaling $420,000, jose. >> interesting because as this breakdown was being, you know, focussed upon, there was an objection. it was just as they were talking about the donald trump revokable trust. there was an objection. a bench hearing and now they're going back to an exhibit, which is exactly the document of the revokable trust account. dave, what is the prosecution doing with this specific aspect? here's the breakdown. here's where t
paid to michael cohen every year. the break down, $105,000 total from the revokable trust and $315,000 total from donald trump's personal account. each payment going through donald trump himself. important to lay that out, jose, the documentation and, again, going back to the importance of these documents for the jury to understand completely why it is they paid out a total of $420,000 to michael cohen over a period of a year to reimburse him and once again breaking it down to $130,000 that was...
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, it would be michael cohen. yeah, so much more ahead if everyone can standby for me what judge juan merchan started court today by explaining to the former president that a gag order does not prevent him from testifying something that he has claimed. we're going to talk more about that. when are special coverage continues right up for this? >> we're here to get your side of the store affairs, bribery, prostitution. >> why do we keep it? ending up here you can't write this stuff. united states of scandal with jake tapper now streaming on macs life, diabetes. there's no slowing down each day is a unique blend of people to see and things to do that's why you choose glissando to help manage blood sugar response uniquely designed with carb steady glue, sirna, bring on the day, right now, you get a free foot locker sap. >> wait, just buy it foot login app and get one free just scan the qr code indiana promo code, fal pogo it only worked on not a saturday screen buddy, you still got a landline in your house. auto nauta
, it would be michael cohen. yeah, so much more ahead if everyone can standby for me what judge juan merchan started court today by explaining to the former president that a gag order does not prevent him from testifying something that he has claimed. we're going to talk more about that. when are special coverage continues right up for this? >> we're here to get your side of the store affairs, bribery, prostitution. >> why do we keep it? ending up here you can't write this stuff....
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michael cohen. what does trump's eight. okay. $130,000. but michael cohen, whose voice from people who i spoke to in the courtroom, they said, what came out of the tape today wasn't trump's voice where you barely hear it was michael cohen's booming voice. in that courtroom. and i think elie said earlier they're dirty up. michael cohen with their own witnesses to try to like, lay the groundwork, get ready, ladies and gentlemen, because you're going to hear from a sleazy guy. but anderson, i've been involved with a lot of trials. i've never had a prosecutors calling their own witnesses to dirty up their main witness. that is just not normal, to take their time to take out this thing. first of all, it's not as if this is a figure who has had his voice altered throughout the course of the last several years. we don't know is identity. michael cohen is a very known figures so much though it was a part of the conversation in terms of even jury selection and his are paid and who they might have known have clear where there were the case so they a
michael cohen. what does trump's eight. okay. $130,000. but michael cohen, whose voice from people who i spoke to in the courtroom, they said, what came out of the tape today wasn't trump's voice where you barely hear it was michael cohen's booming voice. in that courtroom. and i think elie said earlier they're dirty up. michael cohen with their own witnesses to try to like, lay the groundwork, get ready, ladies and gentlemen, because you're going to hear from a sleazy guy. but anderson, i've...
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michael cohen lied. but when he gets on the stand, he's likely to say that he lied in the service of donald trump he was very loyal to donald trump. there's the famous quote of, he would take a bullet for donald trump, which is a coincidence because donald trump said he could shoot somebody on fifth avenue and his fans, his supporters were so loyal, they wouldn't i'm just saying there's like a metaphor combo going on there i know someone who knows both of them very well and their relationship going back and that person said to me that they really thought at the time that michael cohen would be the last person to turn on trump. >> so what is michael cohen like on the witness stand we he may very well connect with jurors. you don't know when someone says, i'm ashamed, i'm wrong. we saw his testimony in front of congress we do not know, but if that's the way he presents himself in court, it may give him some credibility despite the lies, jareh is it possible that michael cohen might come across as more symp
michael cohen lied. but when he gets on the stand, he's likely to say that he lied in the service of donald trump he was very loyal to donald trump. there's the famous quote of, he would take a bullet for donald trump, which is a coincidence because donald trump said he could shoot somebody on fifth avenue and his fans, his supporters were so loyal, they wouldn't i'm just saying there's like a metaphor combo going on there i know someone who knows both of them very well and their relationship...
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this is going to take it from the ami deal to direct negotiations with michael cohen, where michael cohen made the $130,000 payment to stormy daniels under a code name that they used, stormy daniels and keith davidson. and that eventually they're going to ultimately try to get that donald trump paid michael cohen back and knew what he was doing. donald trump is walking out right now. the court is in a short recess. eric trump is there for the first time. we have been talking about how the family wasn't there. i have ten seconds left, but tell me what does it mean to have eric there? >> i think it is important for the people who are really paying attention. he did not have any of his family members there before and so the fact that now someone has finally showed up on his behalf is probably a good thing, but the question is are you going to stay and are you going to continue to be there? >> you say finally, only been a week. thank you very much. chuck rosenberg, catherine christian, love the polka dots today, my friend. court is in recess. that does it for this edition of "andrea mitchell
this is going to take it from the ami deal to direct negotiations with michael cohen, where michael cohen made the $130,000 payment to stormy daniels under a code name that they used, stormy daniels and keith davidson. and that eventually they're going to ultimately try to get that donald trump paid michael cohen back and knew what he was doing. donald trump is walking out right now. the court is in a short recess. eric trump is there for the first time. we have been talking about how the...
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i think he's doing a great job regarding michael cohen is it legally relevant that michael cohen had been at least until recently going after trump online. i mean, should the judge amend the gag order? should trump can hit back at michael cohen. michael cohen is sort of a public figure, is a podcast or i think the judge is not supposed to be concerned about the given take in the public arena. he's trying to hurt me medically, seal his courtroom. and, michael, there's no sort of invited response. michael cohen can say whatever he wants, although i suspect the prosecutors are probably calling up his lawyer now and saying, would you please shut up like now but i that shouldn't matter. the judge's only concerned about the people in front of him over whom he has authored already. and to make sure that they're not responding. trump will have an opportunity to trash everyone as you surely will when this trial is over. so i wouldn't worry about his first amendment rights. >> i think marchand was somewhat sympathetic to the michael cohen issue because michael cohen has been beating the hell o
i think he's doing a great job regarding michael cohen is it legally relevant that michael cohen had been at least until recently going after trump online. i mean, should the judge amend the gag order? should trump can hit back at michael cohen. michael cohen is sort of a public figure, is a podcast or i think the judge is not supposed to be concerned about the given take in the public arena. he's trying to hurt me medically, seal his courtroom. and, michael, there's no sort of invited...
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be to paint michael cohen like a liar, which michael cohen is a known liar. so the issue is easy lying about this. and can they actually try to prove that point or not? and that seems to be some think the jury is going to ultimately have to decide at the end of the day but when they're talking about these two or three weeks, that's actually moving a lot slower than what trump lawyers had told me that they thought they thought this case might be wrapped up by the end of next week, just because all of these, we look at what we saw today. they asked one or two questions of mcconney, then of terrorists off afterwards, they aren't planning a long cross-examination of anyone except for michael cohen, and that includes stormy daniels. they don't want to get into the nitty-gritty with or they might ask a couple of pointed questions to kind of point out what kind of a witness she is. but other than that, i'm told it's not going to be david packer or or the length of my the end of next this week is two weeks, essentially, right? >> i mean, but that would be for the who
be to paint michael cohen like a liar, which michael cohen is a known liar. so the issue is easy lying about this. and can they actually try to prove that point or not? and that seems to be some think the jury is going to ultimately have to decide at the end of the day but when they're talking about these two or three weeks, that's actually moving a lot slower than what trump lawyers had told me that they thought they thought this case might be wrapped up by the end of next week, just because...
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she kinda also talked about michael cohen and how michael cohen made that payment and she knew that and she doesn't believe he would have done that out of the kindness of his own heart. does how she said it on the stand saying, i didn't know michael to be an especially charitable person or selfless person. >> and then when it was time for a cross-examination, as you stay he did sarah sheet got a bit emotional before the questioning even got started. >> she had take a break from the witness box before they could resume. and in that questioning, she acknowledged for the defense that trump was the family man. she said that he never really wanted to embarrass his family with this campaign that he valued melania trump's opinion kinda painting a picture of this former president who may took action that not because of an election, but rather for the sake of his family. and she also took some jabs at michael cohen, who again will be one of the prosecution's star witnesses. so we will see how this core is going to play out today and into this week, this is really the first time in a little while
she kinda also talked about michael cohen and how michael cohen made that payment and she knew that and she doesn't believe he would have done that out of the kindness of his own heart. does how she said it on the stand saying, i didn't know michael to be an especially charitable person or selfless person. >> and then when it was time for a cross-examination, as you stay he did sarah sheet got a bit emotional before the questioning even got started. >> she had take a break from the...
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donald trump actually signed checks to michael cohen. here in 2024, a jury today for first time saw those very checks for themselves. >> i remember that. i think they ended up on the front page of the "new york times." >> that was very powerful. they didn't come out of a corporate account. most came out of his account and were signed by him. we also heard the evidence that the checks were sent to the white house via fedex for him to be signed. he signed them and then sent them back. he knew full well the money was going out to michael cohen. the question becomes, can donald trump's lawyers convince the jury was it for legal fees and was it not? the argument was made today that this was for legal fees performed. at one point -- >> cohen didn't work there anymore, right? >> he didn't. but they are arguing he was doing legal services. the interesting part i thought of the whole day was michael cohen would send invoices saying, per my retainer agreement. nobody saw the retainer agreement. at one point donald trump's lawyers were arguing it w
donald trump actually signed checks to michael cohen. here in 2024, a jury today for first time saw those very checks for themselves. >> i remember that. i think they ended up on the front page of the "new york times." >> that was very powerful. they didn't come out of a corporate account. most came out of his account and were signed by him. we also heard the evidence that the checks were sent to the white house via fedex for him to be signed. he signed them and then sent...
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cohen for the $130,000 that michael cohen delivered to stormy daniels. no dispute that michael cohen delivered $130,000 to stormy daniels. the defense wants to create doubt about there being any payment there. but you pointed out to us today that there's a very important piece of evidence that hasn't come up yet in the trial about this. >> well, you have to remember obviously that the government has the checks signed by donald trump himself. one of the reasons hope hicks is so important is that she makes it clear that he knew that these were reimbursements of the michael cohen hush-money payments. there's more than that. in 2018, so not that long after this, in a lawsuit brought by stormy daniels in california where she was trying to get out of the nda, donald trump repeatedly admitted in filings that he had reimbursed michael cohen and essential consulting for the hush-money payments. it's over and over again. and when the court issues its ruling, the court actually says these are admissions by donald trump and michael cohen, his codefendant. they are c
cohen for the $130,000 that michael cohen delivered to stormy daniels. no dispute that michael cohen delivered $130,000 to stormy daniels. the defense wants to create doubt about there being any payment there. but you pointed out to us today that there's a very important piece of evidence that hasn't come up yet in the trial about this. >> well, you have to remember obviously that the government has the checks signed by donald trump himself. one of the reasons hope hicks is so important...
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cohen and donald trump's arrangement, alleged arrangement to reimburse michael cohen with the litany of checks throughout the year. and, of course, in 2018 david pecker testified just this last week that there was a phone call that he had with sarah huckabee sanders, who was the white house press secretary at the time, along with hope hicks, who had just left the white house there in march of 2018, when karen mcdougal did an interview with anderson cooper, and it was in the aftermath of that that the three of them allegedly had a phone call in which they discussed how to prolong a contract agreement to keep karen mcdougal from further speaking out. there is a long list of questions that the prosecution has for hope hicks. of course, it is their decision to bring her to the stand and she is now here in lower manhattan, about to answer those questions. jose? >> and, carol, the post reports that trump has not seen hicks or spoken to her since 2022. he's apparently been chatting with his defense attorney ahead of hicks' arrival in the courtroom. she's now on the stand. carol, different i
cohen and donald trump's arrangement, alleged arrangement to reimburse michael cohen with the litany of checks throughout the year. and, of course, in 2018 david pecker testified just this last week that there was a phone call that he had with sarah huckabee sanders, who was the white house press secretary at the time, along with hope hicks, who had just left the white house there in march of 2018, when karen mcdougal did an interview with anderson cooper, and it was in the aftermath of that...
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we were thinking, michael cohen is the star witness and how will they corroborate michael cohen. and i really think the way to think about this case is this case is made very much without michael cohen. i mean, this is so corroborated and it is not just that you have david pecker and now keith davidson, they're stories are just hand and glove. i mean, they fit together so perfectly. and they tell a complex story. i mean, something that if you were making it up, it wouldn't be -- it would be kind of intricacy and also it is completely corroborated particularly with respect to mr. davidson by so many texts and email exchanges an the written documents. this is one where with almost every question there is a reference to a document so that the jurors could see there is no question about what he is saying. it is completely backed up. so by the time you get to michael cohen, i think the way that i think this is going to be summed up on by the prosecution, is to say, you know what, if michael cohen had said anything else, you would have thought he was lying. it is so completely consiste
we were thinking, michael cohen is the star witness and how will they corroborate michael cohen. and i really think the way to think about this case is this case is made very much without michael cohen. i mean, this is so corroborated and it is not just that you have david pecker and now keith davidson, they're stories are just hand and glove. i mean, they fit together so perfectly. and they tell a complex story. i mean, something that if you were making it up, it wouldn't be -- it would be...
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michael cohen with another stick action figure. should these things, i think they may have been taken down, but should they impose a gag order on michael cohen even though he said he put one on himself at this point quick. >> i don't think there should be any gag orders frankly but if you're going to have them, i think what you're seeing from judge marchand is virtually every important thing he gets it wrong. so the answer here is not that michael cohen is not on trial and trump is, the judge's job is to protect the defendant, the other people, you know, but if merchant is saying i need these gag orders in order to protect the jury from prejudicial outside publicity then what difference doesn't make of it is donald trump talking about the case or cohen or any other participant in it? and obviously the prosecutors have a lot of influence over michael cohen you think they could stop them from doing these posts in a heartbeat but obviously they decided not to do that. >> i think you make such a good point i hope people pay close atten
michael cohen with another stick action figure. should these things, i think they may have been taken down, but should they impose a gag order on michael cohen even though he said he put one on himself at this point quick. >> i don't think there should be any gag orders frankly but if you're going to have them, i think what you're seeing from judge marchand is virtually every important thing he gets it wrong. so the answer here is not that michael cohen is not on trial and trump is, the...
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text messages from michael cohen to hope hicks. this one, michael cohen saying call me, any news. any news. now, we're at three question marks. first one only had any news? and then any news, and three question marks. the prosecutor says, what was he asking about. i don't actually know other than pickup of the story. and then there are more texts. do you have a memory after the article was published online of what was the michael cohen response, and that was, according to hope hicks, lots of innuendos with little facts. anytime we're looking at something brought into evidence with michael cohen, and as of just yesterday, his name had been mentioned a thousand times in this trial. i don't know where we are now, but when we went on the air yesterday, his name had been mentioned over the course of the last three weeks more than a thousands times. almost every time michael cohen gets mentioned, there's a specific reason going forward why this is happening. >> it is. you have to understand in terms of making connections and corroboration, it's easier when everybody is in the same room,
text messages from michael cohen to hope hicks. this one, michael cohen saying call me, any news. any news. now, we're at three question marks. first one only had any news? and then any news, and three question marks. the prosecutor says, what was he asking about. i don't actually know other than pickup of the story. and then there are more texts. do you have a memory after the article was published online of what was the michael cohen response, and that was, according to hope hicks, lots of...
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two with michael cohen saying, and i'm paraphrasing, michael cohen is a liar. michael cohen is not going to be a good witness, he's problematic. things we have heard repeatedly when it comes to the star witness, michael cohen. then it's the jury at which the former president said 95% of the jury is democrats. it seemed as if during a gag order hearing earlier today, the judge is leaning more towards finding donald trump in violation of what he said about the jury. we know as part of the gag order, the former president could not speak ill of the jury or cannot speak at all of any witnesses or any potential witnesses. it seems if judge juan merchan is leaning in the direction of holding donald trump in violation of a gag order when he spoke about the jury. when it comes to michael cohen, he's more on the fence. david pecker, he's less concerned. he said that in court today. one other thing i think is important to mention is the defense brought up by todd blanche, who seemed more prepared this time around during the gag order hearing, when it came to michael cohen
two with michael cohen saying, and i'm paraphrasing, michael cohen is a liar. michael cohen is not going to be a good witness, he's problematic. things we have heard repeatedly when it comes to the star witness, michael cohen. then it's the jury at which the former president said 95% of the jury is democrats. it seemed as if during a gag order hearing earlier today, the judge is leaning more towards finding donald trump in violation of what he said about the jury. we know as part of the gag...
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bringing michael cohen. and because all that hope hicks, i said up to now is he was sort of this mysterious guy, didn't know what he did. he was always around now she's bringing him directly into the response to these stories. i would hazard a guess that prosecutors have cross-check this with michael cohen's testimony to make sure they're not in conflict with when again, just to state the obvious she was officially on the campaign. yes. michael cohen was officially not on the campaign. >> right. and if you go back to the whole charge or the series of charges against donald trump, the crux of it is that this was an illegal well, first of all, that it was changing the records, but also about an illegal campaign contribution as hicks is testimony gets into the mcdougal questions. trump is sitting back in his chair with his eyes closed. jim. >> so back to the to the jared kushner. so jen schorn wasn't on the campaign neither. another outside adviser to the campaign. so they're trying to establish, okay? but ther
bringing michael cohen. and because all that hope hicks, i said up to now is he was sort of this mysterious guy, didn't know what he did. he was always around now she's bringing him directly into the response to these stories. i would hazard a guess that prosecutors have cross-check this with michael cohen's testimony to make sure they're not in conflict with when again, just to state the obvious she was officially on the campaign. yes. michael cohen was officially not on the campaign. >>...
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trump was involved with michael cohen in the two incidents per which michael cohen pled guilty guilty. charged by federal prosecutors. one involved the hush money payment to stormy daniels and the other was the karen mcdougal contract. and this particular tape is about the second crime to which michael cohen pled guilty, even though he just did the paperwork involving the payment to ms smith google, but you notice the word cash spoken by donald trump. it's not easy to here, but it wasn't the reason i went on chris cuomo and released it to cnn because that morning, rudy giuliani trump's lawyer said it was that michael cohen had used the word cash and there was at that point with his criminal defense lawyer that we decided we need to correct the record. that tape speaks for itself. >> that's where you gave the tape to cnn, correct? >> at that time, the jury also today heard michael cohen's voice for the first time. i thought it was significant. it in a stunning recording that link trump directly to stormy daniel's payment. let me quote from what he said. this is a direct quote. i can't
trump was involved with michael cohen in the two incidents per which michael cohen pled guilty guilty. charged by federal prosecutors. one involved the hush money payment to stormy daniels and the other was the karen mcdougal contract. and this particular tape is about the second crime to which michael cohen pled guilty, even though he just did the paperwork involving the payment to ms smith google, but you notice the word cash spoken by donald trump. it's not easy to here, but it wasn't the...
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is that this idea that michael cohen has gone rogue, doesn't track just because michael cohen was always trying to do everything he possibly could please, and execute on whatever it was you see you soon as you've seen, this with, trump walking back into the courtroom after the brief recess they took about a 25-minute risa who didn't speak to cameras, then when he left at or just now either which is coming interesting an interesting choice. i just, i get a court of law and obviously, laura and you and your colleagues and others can speak to the exact he tells what they need to prove and the context of the case. but as i think about this kind of politically and holistically, in terms of the jury is they're going to have to make these way these things as well. >> is it plausible that michael cohen did this over the objection of donald trump? >> we really think he would do this objection of donald trial. >> if i find that really hard to believe. well, that's that's gonna be the prosecution has gotten how to meet their burden, throwing that michael cohen himself has not been able to yet artic
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michael cohen is not going to be a bad witness. it's such a ridiculous argument. >> he'll be able to communicate in ways the jury will find relatable and be able to absorb, but he has a fleet of louis vuitton baggage. >> that all relates to donald trump. >> again, it opens the door for impeaching his credibility. my point is, donald trump is orchestrating this defense. you see him communicating with todd blanche, he's the guy in charge here. i think that's got to be difficult. he wants a certain narrative to be advanced. i think they are trying to advance this narrative. it may not be the best narrative. >> we'll have another come back on the other side because we have so much more. all sticking around for much more on the first criminal trial of a former president and all the tabloid fun that took place today. "the reidout" continues after this. we're here with chris counahan of our local leaffilter. so chris, tell us how leaffilter is different from every other gutter protection on the market. with leaffilters, patented filter te
michael cohen is not going to be a bad witness. it's such a ridiculous argument. >> he'll be able to communicate in ways the jury will find relatable and be able to absorb, but he has a fleet of louis vuitton baggage. >> that all relates to donald trump. >> again, it opens the door for impeaching his credibility. my point is, donald trump is orchestrating this defense. you see him communicating with todd blanche, he's the guy in charge here. i think that's got to be difficult....
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all of these witnesses preceding michael cohen are talking about things relating to michael cohen, michael cohen's actions, they're interested fractions with him and that eliminates what michael cohen has to do eliminates michael cohen having to be believed, it eliminates michael cohen having to be the core witness. so the prosecution, in answer to your question, amara, is focusing on making michael cohen lift. is little as he possibly can and having all these person seating witnesses, corroborate him. so it's not about whether you believe michael cohen. he then is an important piece of the puzzle. of course he is, but everybody else talks about what he did, what his role was, what the nature and purpose of his activities were, then how could you not believe michael cohen and that i think is going to be the prosecution strategy the end because he is going to be savage by the defense in terms of as you pension, just his unsavory nature, the things that he's done, and certainly his lies misrepresentations, his convictions. and so yes, i think that's the prosecution's role. >> i mean, before
all of these witnesses preceding michael cohen are talking about things relating to michael cohen, michael cohen's actions, they're interested fractions with him and that eliminates what michael cohen has to do eliminates michael cohen having to be believed, it eliminates michael cohen having to be the core witness. so the prosecution, in answer to your question, amara, is focusing on making michael cohen lift. is little as he possibly can and having all these person seating witnesses,...
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michael cohen when he testifies. he was right in the thick of things. he is somebody that hope hicks is reaching out to. we know from yesterday, there's emails and text messages between them. it's important -- this is a very critical part of her testimony, that he's the person she would reach out to. it makes it more credible when he becomes a person to do something about the stormy daniels tape after that comes out. with respect to the debate, obviously, that's significant. that's what was going on. here we are, less than a month before the election, and this is the issue that is now the opening questions of that debate. obviously, whatever mr. trump might want to think about this being locker room talk at the time, it was a big, big deal. >> catherine is here with me as well. talking about this, the prosecutor is asking hope hicks, did you become aware of reports regarding trump's behavior with women? she says, after the tape, yes, 2 1/2, 3 weeks before the election, he was traveling for rallies, i was with him. th
michael cohen when he testifies. he was right in the thick of things. he is somebody that hope hicks is reaching out to. we know from yesterday, there's emails and text messages between them. it's important -- this is a very critical part of her testimony, that he's the person she would reach out to. it makes it more credible when he becomes a person to do something about the stormy daniels tape after that comes out. with respect to the debate, obviously, that's significant. that's what was...
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he was now new darling of the left. >> michael cohen is the prosecution's star witness. >> michael cohen will be the star witness for the prosecution. >> the star witnesses that we're told are so important. big names that even if you don't follow politics, most people have heard of like michael cohen and stormy daniels. >> laura: i'll stick with goon, maybe goof ball. before michael cohen takes the stand as bragg's star witness, which makes me scream with laughter, the jury is already been hearing from him in these recordings played by the prosecution. but how trustworthy is an admitted liar? this morning the defense questioned a forensic analyst in the da's office about whether or not one of the cohen recordings played in court was doctored. its suddenly cut off after trump was heard on it. what a coincidence. the prosecution said because cohen was getting another call. the same analyst said there was no record of any incoming call on the phone's meta data. this may seem like it's really in the weeds on a friday night but gives you what the star will bring to the table. joining us, mike
he was now new darling of the left. >> michael cohen is the prosecution's star witness. >> michael cohen will be the star witness for the prosecution. >> the star witnesses that we're told are so important. big names that even if you don't follow politics, most people have heard of like michael cohen and stormy daniels. >> laura: i'll stick with goon, maybe goof ball. before michael cohen takes the stand as bragg's star witness, which makes me scream with laughter, the...
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when you talk about michael cohen, i find it comic that the motivations they describe to michael cohen. the same, this is the difference talking about, that donald trump didn't have anything to do with this, michael cohen was acting independently and the reason he was taking out a home equity loan to pay off an adult film star before the election was because he wanted trump to win so he could go to washington and get a job. the defense brings up a piece of evidence which is a back and forth, this is an excerpt from keith davidson talking to prosecution saying, quoting michael cohen saying something to the effect of jesus christ, can you believe i'm not going to washington after everything that i've done for that guy. i can't believe i'm not going to washington. i save that guys but. so many times. you don't even know. that is supposedly like the evidence. michael cohen enraged he will not be the attorney general of the united states is somehow evidence michael cohen was doing this of his own accord. >> commencing conversation, keith davidson testified there was a comment that michael c
when you talk about michael cohen, i find it comic that the motivations they describe to michael cohen. the same, this is the difference talking about, that donald trump didn't have anything to do with this, michael cohen was acting independently and the reason he was taking out a home equity loan to pay off an adult film star before the election was because he wanted trump to win so he could go to washington and get a job. the defense brings up a piece of evidence which is a back and forth,...
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michael cohen will testify to that, i'm sure. and by signing those checks and calling them legal expenses, that's fraud. and -- which is a misdemeanor, but that fraud for the purpose of effecting the election makes it a felony. and they're establishing in hope hicks' testimony and testimony establishes very well as i'm sure collin will say the same thing that it was for the purpose of efkting the election. cohen is a difficult witness because he has lied on other things and they will try to impeach his testimony, but the testimony by hicks and by peck er and davidson all corroborates what cohen will say. >> and the actual check signed by donald trump to him was if his legal expenses, no one ever explained, well, what legal work did he do for that exact amount of money. >> that's right. >> this is going to be very interesting. thank you for being with us, as always, congressman jerry nadler. let's bring in our political panel, ameisha cross, democratic strategist and a contributor for the daily beast. and susan, republican strateg
michael cohen will testify to that, i'm sure. and by signing those checks and calling them legal expenses, that's fraud. and -- which is a misdemeanor, but that fraud for the purpose of effecting the election makes it a felony. and they're establishing in hope hicks' testimony and testimony establishes very well as i'm sure collin will say the same thing that it was for the purpose of efkting the election. cohen is a difficult witness because he has lied on other things and they will try to...
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not only that, it's not like michael cohen had $130,000 just lying around. he had to take out a home equity line of credit to be able to get that money. and again, you would also have to believe that according to david pecker and donald trump was really concerned in conversations about the karen mcdougal payment, making sure that happened. so then you would have to believe after the "access hollywood" tape when we hear that the campaign is in crisis, then when stormy daniels wants to get paid on this, the all of a sudden donald trump is hands-off. he's not interested anymore, and michael cohen is just going rogue and doing this on his own. it defies common sense. >> that has always been my challenge with this. you would have to believe that lawyers get paid by their clients to do work. they don't put out money for their clients. they don't go out on their own and just pay for things they think might hurt their clients. there's not a lawyer that's ever lived that's ever -- i have never heard of that, so it feels like the defense has a huge burden here to prov
not only that, it's not like michael cohen had $130,000 just lying around. he had to take out a home equity line of credit to be able to get that money. and again, you would also have to believe that according to david pecker and donald trump was really concerned in conversations about the karen mcdougal payment, making sure that happened. so then you would have to believe after the "access hollywood" tape when we hear that the campaign is in crisis, then when stormy daniels wants to...
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when you talk about michael cohen, i find it comic the motivations they ascribe to michael cohen. this is the defense i'm talking about. that donald trump didn't have anything to dod with this, michael cohen was acting independently, and the reason he was taking out a home equity loan to pay off an adult film star before the election is because b he wanted trump to wi so he could go to washington and get a job. and the defense brings up a piece of prosecution evidence, which is a back and forth -- sorry, this is an excerpt from keith davidson talking to prosecution saying -- quoting michael cohen saying something to the effect of jesus christ, can you effing believe i'm not going to washington after everything i've done for that effing guy. i can't believe i'm not going to washington. ino saved that guy's butt -- it a family program -- so many times you don't even know. michael cohen enraged he's somehow not going to be with the president of the united states. >> right. and also in that conversation keith davidson testified there was a comment michael cohen said i'm not being reim
when you talk about michael cohen, i find it comic the motivations they ascribe to michael cohen. this is the defense i'm talking about. that donald trump didn't have anything to dod with this, michael cohen was acting independently, and the reason he was taking out a home equity loan to pay off an adult film star before the election is because b he wanted trump to wi so he could go to washington and get a job. and the defense brings up a piece of prosecution evidence, which is a back and forth...
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michael cohen came into this -- everything michael cohen says he's almost out of a comic book grifting in new york. i don't think todd blanche is that way. >> you have evan corcoran who became a very important witness. turned over all his notes to jack smith. you do have rudy giuliani who represented trump in mueller all the way through the election denialism. he's now bankrupt. you don't have many people who represented trump and came out better for it. >> or escaped. >> or came out better, enhanced. tacopina might be the only exception. >> he's been pushed to the side. i don't know if he'll even get paid. if you don't perform well in front of donald trump he won't pay his bills. this trade off that i'll get publicity or i'll get a good paycheck and it's worth whatever personal embarrassment, it doesn't often happen for people. >> what do you say? >> i was surprised the defense went after davidson on extortion. first off, it's highly disputable if that's true. even if it was, you know what's not a defense to campaign finance violation, extortion. it's like playing tennis with a golf c
michael cohen came into this -- everything michael cohen says he's almost out of a comic book grifting in new york. i don't think todd blanche is that way. >> you have evan corcoran who became a very important witness. turned over all his notes to jack smith. you do have rudy giuliani who represented trump in mueller all the way through the election denialism. he's now bankrupt. you don't have many people who represented trump and came out better for it. >> or escaped. >> or...
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cohen, and then grossing up, right, doubling up the $180,000 to cover michael cohen's taxes. that is the picture, right, the story they are trying to tell. the witnesses showing the evidence of these checks, of these invoices, submitted by michael cohen. >> can you remind our viewers who haven't been with us all day long, going through the testimonies and the key pieces why the first check wasn't from donald trump's personal account like the rest of them. it was from the trust, and then it pivoted out of donald trump's personal account? >> reporter: the first check was from the irrevocable trust and pivoted to donald trump's personal account as well. they walked through where it was, some of the moneys were being disbursed from, and our understanding is obviously that the former presidential signed off on all checks that were higher than $10,000, either him, his son, eric trump, and/or don jr. eric trump who's sitting in court today, and even while he was president of the united states, all of those checks that were coming out of his own personal account in 2017 were being si
cohen, and then grossing up, right, doubling up the $180,000 to cover michael cohen's taxes. that is the picture, right, the story they are trying to tell. the witnesses showing the evidence of these checks, of these invoices, submitted by michael cohen. >> can you remind our viewers who haven't been with us all day long, going through the testimonies and the key pieces why the first check wasn't from donald trump's personal account like the rest of them. it was from the trust, and then...
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as michael cohen would be. so it's very important, boring, but very important testimony. >> so, vaughn, this is really important testimony, but it has to come back to donald trump. they have to bring him in. and presumably that would be through michael cohen. michael cohen is the link that can identify him as the person who, you know, organized this. wrote the checks. >> right. catherine and andrew are absolutely right. this is part of what we're listening to from the testimony of mcconney and perhaps the prosecution just hasn't gotten here to this point. but we're looking at to what extent was his understanding that this was in fact a reimbursement to cohen. he here has outwardly acknowledged inside of the courtroom that this was, in his mind, apparently not a normal legal retainer. yet alone for michael cohen, somebody he described who had been somebody he had engaged with in conversation at the coffee counter inside of trump tower. but now instead, you're looking at michael cohen's testimony becoming of para
as michael cohen would be. so it's very important, boring, but very important testimony. >> so, vaughn, this is really important testimony, but it has to come back to donald trump. they have to bring him in. and presumably that would be through michael cohen. michael cohen is the link that can identify him as the person who, you know, organized this. wrote the checks. >> right. catherine and andrew are absolutely right. this is part of what we're listening to from the testimony of...
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cohen is there any evidence anyone told michael cohen to do this? >> it's a terrible idea to try to undermine the relationships. the point is that should be irrelevant. the point is as bill saying, you want to focus on, make cohen do all the work and then you tack his credibility. >> absolutely. i mean, they've chosen to deny it, but it doesn't matter. wrap your arms around it. but the issue is what was it done for it wasn't done primarily for political purposes. it was out the window and i as jamie said, i don't think mutually exclusive if even if you do delay to avoid the embarrassment and you're worried about the election two, if the election is the collateral move, i think your they're fascinating stuff. >> thanks to all of you. appreciate it while mr. trump may be bound by a gag order in this hush money cover up he was rather candidate and a brand new interview with time magazine, the title on this cover story, if he wins, some of the most revealing and perhaps shocking line that conversation that's next in the next 30 seconds, 250 couples will
cohen is there any evidence anyone told michael cohen to do this? >> it's a terrible idea to try to undermine the relationships. the point is that should be irrelevant. the point is as bill saying, you want to focus on, make cohen do all the work and then you tack his credibility. >> absolutely. i mean, they've chosen to deny it, but it doesn't matter. wrap your arms around it. but the issue is what was it done for it wasn't done primarily for political purposes. it was out the...
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cohen. >> in the application to michael cohen, that michael cohen went rogue. in a way, it's really the only narrow avenue the defense has left, this underlying transaction, they have to concede it. the other point is michael cohen calling himself mr. fix it. that implies that he gave that name to himself. he put that crown upon his own head and took it upon himself to, as hope hicks said, break things, and then fix them, so you have just two right there towards the end of testimony that are probably really helpful for the defense, and i suspect you'll see them again in closing, and i extra suspect you'll see the word rogue prominently as a central theme of the closing arguments. >> chuck, do you think the prosecution has missed any opportunity without doing a redirect before dismissing hope today, and presumably not bringing her back on monday? >> i don't, alex. just as danny made the point that the defense got what they needed and stopped. the prosecution must have felt they too had what they needed. look, no witness is perfect. and no witness gives one side
cohen. >> in the application to michael cohen, that michael cohen went rogue. in a way, it's really the only narrow avenue the defense has left, this underlying transaction, they have to concede it. the other point is michael cohen calling himself mr. fix it. that implies that he gave that name to himself. he put that crown upon his own head and took it upon himself to, as hope hicks said, break things, and then fix them, so you have just two right there towards the end of testimony that...
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it was michael cohen. >> so what happened when you call did you call michael cohen i did tell us about that. >> gina provided me the number that he left either with her ex are on the voicemail. it was for the trump org organization. i called i was transferred to michael cohen i introduced myself and before i could barely get my name out, i was just met with like a hustle barrage of insults and insinuation and allegations that went on for quite awhile. question, what was the gist of what he was accusing you of pots? i don't think he was accusing us of anything. he was just screaming answer. okay. what was the upset about? he was upset about the story that the story on the dirty.com got published and he believed that stormy daniel's was the source behind that story. >> interesting, kaitlan, what do you make of this exchange? >> yeah, well, we're going to here are very likely for michael cohen on the stand. so getting a flavor of his personality before the jury now is something that the prosecutors might want to be doing. but the other thing is they're painting the portrait of the reactio
it was michael cohen. >> so what happened when you call did you call michael cohen i did tell us about that. >> gina provided me the number that he left either with her ex are on the voicemail. it was for the trump org organization. i called i was transferred to michael cohen i introduced myself and before i could barely get my name out, i was just met with like a hustle barrage of insults and insinuation and allegations that went on for quite awhile. question, what was the gist of...
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he handled the reimbursements to michael cohen for paying off stormy daniels. there are a pile of documents we're seeing for the first time, including these checks. if you're familiar with donald trump's signatures, those are checks that were signed by donald trump himself after an explanation about the difference between a trust, which was an account for the company, and a, essentially, private account for donald trump. well, mcconney detailed how he kept notes and bank statements related to cohen stored in a locked door and how the hush money checks had to be sent to the white house for donald trump to sign. i want to bring in nbc's vaughn hillyard outside the courthouse. joyce vance is a university of alabama law professor. tristan snell is with me, author of "taking down trump 12 rules for prosecuting donald trump by someone who did it successfully." charles coleman is here, civil rights attorney, former brooklyn prosecutor, msnbc legal analyst, and republican strategist and msnbc political analyst, susan del percio. in just a minute, charles, i'm going to
he handled the reimbursements to michael cohen for paying off stormy daniels. there are a pile of documents we're seeing for the first time, including these checks. if you're familiar with donald trump's signatures, those are checks that were signed by donald trump himself after an explanation about the difference between a trust, which was an account for the company, and a, essentially, private account for donald trump. well, mcconney detailed how he kept notes and bank statements related to...
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it was just michael cohen. michael cohen. now, it's donald trump was actually doing the talk. is it possible you may not have known about that call until that moment or he should have known. i mean, the the your council is provided, but these documents and these tapes long before you get sent to them and no, clearly they knew this was coming. now, whether they told their client than it was coming as another okay. >> okay. another crucial moment for the defendant this today, davidson says, quote, i have had no personal interactions with donald trump in that call. we just heard is michael cohen, donald trump talking about financing payment to karen mcdougal davidson represented her. you also represents stormy daniels. and what's at stake in this case. but he says, i've had no personal interactions with him so has the prosecution had any success so far in linking these stormy daniels payment to trump, which they must do not really so that it had some witnesses speculating that trump was behind the scenes and understood it, but not not not yet. i think that is an important missing
it was just michael cohen. michael cohen. now, it's donald trump was actually doing the talk. is it possible you may not have known about that call until that moment or he should have known. i mean, the the your council is provided, but these documents and these tapes long before you get sent to them and no, clearly they knew this was coming. now, whether they told their client than it was coming as another okay. >> okay. another crucial moment for the defendant this today, davidson says,...