, i have a quote about the book from none other than bruce springsteen, who's actually come back to asbury park. you're looking at that where he had to start. i'm going to read the bios and then i'll bring them both up on stage. jennifer strong is producer and journalist based here in new york. she is the creator of several top science and technology podcasts for newsrooms, including propublica, the wall street journal and mit technology review. her latest show launched last year, and i believe this conversation should also on shift. so do check that and a previous conversation that was also on her incredible podcast, check out shift. also frank mccourt, who we're having this chat with to celebrate our fight. don't forget our biggest fight outcome from court is civic entrepreneur and executive chairman of mccourt global along with for our partners for today the founder and executive chairman of project liberty, which is a far reaching effort to build an internet where individuals have control over their data, a voice, and how operate and more access to the economic benefits of innovation.