what we learned is that all weight men offered the defectors carinthia.ning up a path but it wasn't just about the money. they are upset about how management fees and carry, for sharing profits on what managers get to keep, there were lower bearings. the condition of private credit was about giving support for operational matters and recruitment. they were happy about the revenue sharing going on. the other issue they had was that it was owned by a u.s. insurance company called massmutual investing in credit funds. the lions share of the initial frustrated defectors, leading them -- leaving them to leave the business. vonnie: is this even legal? paula: bearings has sued carinthia and have called it a previous misuse of confidential information and carinthia has filed a motion to dismiss, to say that it's nonsense and there's no evidence for us having misused any confidential information. this will be in a court case that it's working its way through the courts. it will be up to a judge to decide. vonnie: what about the investors that would have been with