and janet street—porter went on at some length about why she thought the conservatives hated pensioners, so we chopped that bit out for timing reasons, that's why there was a little edit in there. there were two things in there, chris. there is this thing about, actually, the conservative party's relationship with older voters, with pensioners, and second of all, that cliched point i made at the start, this is politicians popping up in places they wouldn't normally pop up in. totally, so on the demographics point, if you like, broadly speaking, recent history has suggested the conservatives do disproportionately well amongst older people, amongst pensioners, so it is a really important kind of chunk of the population to court, not least because they vote in disproportionately high numbers. on the loose women thing, so, a bunch of us political reporters who were due to do interviews with keir starmer were outside the room where they were going on, they always kick out all of the other reporters whilst each reporter goes in and does their thing. and we were all hunched round a laptop watc