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. >>> now i want to bring in msnbc legal correspondent, lisa rubin, and "new york times" investigative reporter, suzanne craig who are also in the courthouse in the overflow room today. about an hour ago, katy tur came out, and we were asking about sort of the mood and tenor. she said it was calm, quiet, almost serene, and i said we're kind of looking for that john grisham moment. she said we have not had that. and she texted me five minutes ago maybe, and she said we just had your grisham moment. i'm eating my hat.
. >>> now i want to bring in msnbc legal correspondent, lisa rubin, and "new york times" investigative reporter, suzanne craig who are also in the courthouse in the overflow room today. about an hour ago, katy tur came out, and we were asking about sort of the mood and tenor. she said it was calm, quiet, almost serene, and i said we're kind of looking for that john grisham moment. she said we have not had that. and she texted me five minutes ago maybe, and she said we just...
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adam klasfeld, lisa rubin, andrew weissmann. i want to put the smoking guns on the screen if we have them both. that is the smoking gun. that is the bank statement that shows that michael cohen sent $130,000 to stormy daniels' lawyer to pay stormy daniels and then in yellow is handwritten notes made by the trump ceo. on the right side, the handwritten notes in michael cohen's hand, not highlighted. that indicates what michael cohen would like to be reimbursed for. you see there is the $130,000 in the yellow highlighted space. that $130,000, michael cohen says, is the $130,000 that appears in that bank statement as having been sent to stormy daniels lawyer that he has to be reimbursed for. there is another document -- there it is. that was his interpretation in order to put this in paycheck form of what we just saw in allison -- in allen weisselberg's handwritten notes on the other document. those were both on a giant screen in court today and referred to by the prosecutor as the smoking guns in the case. lisa rubin, when a prose
adam klasfeld, lisa rubin, andrew weissmann. i want to put the smoking guns on the screen if we have them both. that is the smoking gun. that is the bank statement that shows that michael cohen sent $130,000 to stormy daniels' lawyer to pay stormy daniels and then in yellow is handwritten notes made by the trump ceo. on the right side, the handwritten notes in michael cohen's hand, not highlighted. that indicates what michael cohen would like to be reimbursed for. you see there is the $130,000...
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i want to bring in msnbc legal correspondent lisa rubin remaining outside the courthouse with us in studio, chuck rosenberg and catherine christian. so, lisa, let's start with the charging conference. how exactly does it work and what is the significance? >> well, catherine and chuck, as experienced prosecutors, know this better than i do. but when we come to this charging conference this afternoon, it is like an oral argument on jury instructions is how would i explain it to viewers. they have prepared draft instructions that are already with judge merchan. i should note they're not publicly available yet. and then they'll essentially have argument on those things about which there are no agreement and the judge will hear from both sides as to whether or why he should instruct jurors a particular way. one thing that i expect to be an issue this afternoon has to do with a particular phrase in the statute at issue. i should note there is only really one crime that is being charged here 34 times. it is new york penal law 175.10 and it says simply this, a person is guilty of falsifying busine
i want to bring in msnbc legal correspondent lisa rubin remaining outside the courthouse with us in studio, chuck rosenberg and catherine christian. so, lisa, let's start with the charging conference. how exactly does it work and what is the significance? >> well, catherine and chuck, as experienced prosecutors, know this better than i do. but when we come to this charging conference this afternoon, it is like an oral argument on jury instructions is how would i explain it to viewers....
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lisa rubin is an msnbc correspondent in the courtroom today. suzanne craig is an investigative reporter for the new york times who also attended the trial and they join me now. you are outside the courtroom seconds ago. thank you for somehow teleporting yourselves here. help me understand, lisa, what it was that blanche was trying to accomplish today. >> blanche had a number of different objectives today, but if we're talking about that testimony, the october 24 phone call, what he was trying to establish was cohen doesn't have an independent recollection of conversations with trump, which was the heart of his testimony, but rather has had his memory refreshed by reviewing documents and records with the district attorney's office so much so that he can't separate his organic memory from what he has been fed by the d.a. by casting doubt on the veracity of the testimony that on october 24 he did talk to trump by calling keith schiller, todd blanche then put in doubt the veracity of michael cohen's other testimony and his memory about a host of co
lisa rubin is an msnbc correspondent in the courtroom today. suzanne craig is an investigative reporter for the new york times who also attended the trial and they join me now. you are outside the courtroom seconds ago. thank you for somehow teleporting yourselves here. help me understand, lisa, what it was that blanche was trying to accomplish today. >> blanche had a number of different objectives today, but if we're talking about that testimony, the october 24 phone call, what he was...
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andrew weissman, glenn kirschner, lisa rubin, back with us. that was a pretty important moment. >> that was a really important moment. it was followed by what i think was an equally important moment, when prosecutor asked hope hicks, did he say anything about the timing of the news reporting? that seemed to refresh your recollection. she said oh yes, he wanted to know how it was playing, meaning how it was playing for the populace and my thoughts and opinion on this story versus having a different kind of story before the campaign had michael not made that payment. i think mr. trump's opinion was that it was better to be dealing with it now and that it would have been bad to have that story, out before the election. prosecutor, "no further questions." that was devastating. it showed everybody that trump had been through the mental calculus at the time of the election of what would have happened had they not conspired together to pay off stormy daniels. >> adam, hope hicks did a very strong delivery for the district attorney about how big a bom
andrew weissman, glenn kirschner, lisa rubin, back with us. that was a pretty important moment. >> that was a really important moment. it was followed by what i think was an equally important moment, when prosecutor asked hope hicks, did he say anything about the timing of the news reporting? that seemed to refresh your recollection. she said oh yes, he wanted to know how it was playing, meaning how it was playing for the populace and my thoughts and opinion on this story versus having a...
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lisa rubin, you were in the courtroom as danny cevallos was and you were nodding as sue was talking about seeing the contours of this defense take shape. it was taking shape while among the five witnesses today i'm just going to read it, there was a paralegal for the new york d.a.'s office, a paralegal in the manhattan d.a.'s office, a senior analyst in executive relations, and an at&t lead compliance analyst. not a list of people that if you were going to sign up for a day in court that you would necessarily sign up for. give me your observations both of what we learned today but how the jury was reacting to it. >> let's start with madeleine westerhout who was the only substantive witness today. i thought susan necheles did a good job on her cross exam. one by one, most of the admissions that the prosecution had gotten from her she managed to curtail or at least make a little bit more uncertain. while she said yesterday, for example, that trump did read checks before he signed them, today she was more ambiguous saying that sometimes he did it absent mindedly while he was taking meetings,
lisa rubin, you were in the courtroom as danny cevallos was and you were nodding as sue was talking about seeing the contours of this defense take shape. it was taking shape while among the five witnesses today i'm just going to read it, there was a paralegal for the new york d.a.'s office, a paralegal in the manhattan d.a.'s office, a senior analyst in executive relations, and an at&t lead compliance analyst. not a list of people that if you were going to sign up for a day in court that...
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lisa rubin is a legal correspondent inside the courthouse today. george conway his attorney and contributing writer at the atlantic where he is covering the trials. mary spent time is say federal prosecutor where she served as chief of the criminal division and cohost the excellent, and form winning podcast. lisa, you were at the trial today. tell us what it was like there today. what was it like when they heard these recordings for the first time? >> we heard a lot of recordings for the first time. the two you just mentioned, and then there were others the defense admitted because they say they demonstrate that keith davidson was a person not to be trusted. that he was playing games with the stormy daniels story and by the spring 2018 when michael avenatti took over stormy daniels' case, he was effectively saying to people, you know this is all what my grandmother would call -- and she knows this is [ speaking in a global language ]. this story is not true. the defense tried to get davidson to say it was his own understanding of the story, which y
lisa rubin is a legal correspondent inside the courthouse today. george conway his attorney and contributing writer at the atlantic where he is covering the trials. mary spent time is say federal prosecutor where she served as chief of the criminal division and cohost the excellent, and form winning podcast. lisa, you were at the trial today. tell us what it was like there today. what was it like when they heard these recordings for the first time? >> we heard a lot of recordings for the...
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back at the table, lisa rubin and harry litman. that post, again, on the line. not a direct violation but it's about a witness which gets into territory. i want to read this part -- do i have this? here it is. this is the sidebar between judge merchan and todd blanche at some point. you guys don't hear this? we are getting this later. i understand your client is upset, judge merchan, but he is cursing [ laughter ] audibly and he is shaking his head visually and that's contemptuous. the potential to intimidate the witness and jury can see that. i will talk to him. i'm speaking at the bench because i do not want to embarrass him. mr. blanche, i will talk to him. i won't tolerate that. mr. blanche, i will talk to him. that's pretty wild behavior. >> i have seen this movie before. it's my fourth trump trial in 12 months and have seen it before. aside at the e. jean carroll trial and the -- trial. i guess it went better for him for not having been there not just because he did not testify because he does stuff like this. at the second e.g. carroll trial he banged his
back at the table, lisa rubin and harry litman. that post, again, on the line. not a direct violation but it's about a witness which gets into territory. i want to read this part -- do i have this? here it is. this is the sidebar between judge merchan and todd blanche at some point. you guys don't hear this? we are getting this later. i understand your client is upset, judge merchan, but he is cursing [ laughter ] audibly and he is shaking his head visually and that's contemptuous. the...
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andrew wiseman is former general counsel at the fbi and lisa rubin have been on your television all week and they join me now. andrew, you tweeted about this. cross-examination of michael cohen this week, todd blanche accused him of inventing of -- a phone conversation, accusing him of being a liar, what is your take away, whether it matters or not and if you did was bad for the prosecution in that moment? >> great question. what we are talking is on october 24th call where it seems very clear that, at the very least, two things happened, not one thing. michael cohen said this was one of many calls where he spoke to the president about the repayment of the stormy daniels hush money scheme and on cross- examination it was shown that, in fact, at the very least, there was a conversation that was with donald trump's bodyguard, or valet, helper. about harassing phone calls. this is typical where the defense has found a mistake that was made, either by the da or the witness, and they will say this is a lie. that is what they should be doing. but, this happens so often in a case where someone
andrew wiseman is former general counsel at the fbi and lisa rubin have been on your television all week and they join me now. andrew, you tweeted about this. cross-examination of michael cohen this week, todd blanche accused him of inventing of -- a phone conversation, accusing him of being a liar, what is your take away, whether it matters or not and if you did was bad for the prosecution in that moment? >> great question. what we are talking is on october 24th call where it seems very...
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back with me, msnbc legal correspondent lisa -- lisa rubin. we are joined by charles coleman. lisa, you were in the hearing today. first of all do you agree of that characterization of the weight of the instructions? >> i agree about the weight of the instructions. i disagree about what will be easy and what will be difficult. i will give you an example from today. in order to find trump guilty of felony falsification of business records, the jury has to find that he made the false business records himself or caused someone else to make them. the meaning of the word, caused, is something on which this case hinges, because the prosecutors want a definition that is expansive. if based on your conduct you could foresee the business records would be falsified, you have caused the falsification. that is the instruction they wanted today and the instruction that the judge indicated he is not likely to give. so then the question is what will cause me nand how will it be defined for the jurors? if it means literally that i direct charles, here is how you're going to set up his general
back with me, msnbc legal correspondent lisa -- lisa rubin. we are joined by charles coleman. lisa, you were in the hearing today. first of all do you agree of that characterization of the weight of the instructions? >> i agree about the weight of the instructions. i disagree about what will be easy and what will be difficult. i will give you an example from today. in order to find trump guilty of felony falsification of business records, the jury has to find that he made the false...
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also with us, lisa rubin who was at the courthouse today. andrew weissmann, former fbi general counsel. he is a msnbc legal analyst and co-author of the new york times best-selling book, the trump indictments. we were all there today and i have to say there is this courtroom, as you know, it becomes a community. especially as they go over time and usually much of the audience is the same, as is the case in this place. we have all in this community come to know the leader, the judge, judge merchan. i want to begin with you on this point about losing the motion for the mistrial in the worst possible way you can lose that motion, which is something you said in your opening. >> legally what was going on, if you open the door to the argument you can't complain. you can't make an argument and so you don't get to respond. that is legally what was going on. i think the reason that judge merchan, who i agree with you is usually just so polite and calm and he's got such a great judicial temperament, the reason i think he was annoyed is, i can't say fo
also with us, lisa rubin who was at the courthouse today. andrew weissmann, former fbi general counsel. he is a msnbc legal analyst and co-author of the new york times best-selling book, the trump indictments. we were all there today and i have to say there is this courtroom, as you know, it becomes a community. especially as they go over time and usually much of the audience is the same, as is the case in this place. we have all in this community come to know the leader, the judge, judge...
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. >> lisa rubin and harry litman watched it all happen and they join me tonight. and with one candidate in the courtroom and one on the campaign trail, how are the polls this type? jen psaki is here with more on that, when "all in" starts right now. good evening from new york, i am chris hayes. i think it is fair today was the biggest day of donald trump's criminal trial so far. this morning the star witness for the prosecution took the stand. stormy daniels, also known as stephanie clifford, the woman at the center of this case, took the stand today. daniels is the former adult film actress who prosecute -- who prosecutors say had a sexual encounter with donald trump back in 2006 and was the recipient of a hush money payment in the weeks leading up to the 2016 election to hide that fact from the american public. there is no disputing that the details are salacious. some viewers may find them uncomfortable to hear, but the encounter between donald trump and stormy daniels is of significant relevance as this man once again competes to be the president of the united
. >> lisa rubin and harry litman watched it all happen and they join me tonight. and with one candidate in the courtroom and one on the campaign trail, how are the polls this type? jen psaki is here with more on that, when "all in" starts right now. good evening from new york, i am chris hayes. i think it is fair today was the biggest day of donald trump's criminal trial so far. this morning the star witness for the prosecution took the stand. stormy daniels, also known as...
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. >> lisa rubin has a little analysis from the overflow room. she says blanche keeps trying to impeach michael cohen and other people's records of cohen's purported statements. as media articles relying on anonymous source, cohen has distanced himself from most of these statements yet blanche is doing it again. focusing on notes from a meeting with the special counsel's office. >> that is typical and permissible. if you and i were in a meeting, you're a journalist, you take notes. the source then later asked about it. they don't know what you wrote, if you got it correct. maybe you did, maybe you didn't. you could be asked is that what you said and you can show your notes but i'm entitled to be like, yes, that is what i said. or you know what, i don't know what katy tur was writing down. i wasn't in charge of what she wrote down. and that's not, i don't think that's what i said. so when it's someone else's notes, it's not as good as when it's your own. >> blanche says you said by speaking with them, the special counsel, you wanted your voice to
. >> lisa rubin has a little analysis from the overflow room. she says blanche keeps trying to impeach michael cohen and other people's records of cohen's purported statements. as media articles relying on anonymous source, cohen has distanced himself from most of these statements yet blanche is doing it again. focusing on notes from a meeting with the special counsel's office. >> that is typical and permissible. if you and i were in a meeting, you're a journalist, you take notes....
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still with me, lisa rubin, george conway and mary mccord. i can't imagine how many times you get asked this question, like why haven't they put him in jail? but prosecutors don't want that right now, why not? >> they said two things. one, he had not been warned yet by judge merchan on tuesday that the next consequence might be jail at the time they moved to hold him in contempt. so really, that would not necessarily change what the judge could do, because there is a statute that says what the judge can do. it says you can be given $1000 per incident or incarcerated for 30 days, but i think the prosecutor is saying he was not really on notice. this was his last chance. the other thing he said was it is very disruptive and we're trying not to be so disruptive. to be honest i think what they also think is this would make donald trump more of a martyr. >> that is what i was wondering, if they were thinking that, if that is the calculus for the prosecutors. >> i think they have to be thinking that. on one hand donald trump does not want to spend
still with me, lisa rubin, george conway and mary mccord. i can't imagine how many times you get asked this question, like why haven't they put him in jail? but prosecutors don't want that right now, why not? >> they said two things. one, he had not been warned yet by judge merchan on tuesday that the next consequence might be jail at the time they moved to hold him in contempt. so really, that would not necessarily change what the judge could do, because there is a statute that says what...
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joining us now, is nbc news legal correspondent lisa rubin who was inside the courtroom today. senior judge and professor at florida international school of law, phillip, and former federal prosecutor for the southern district of new york and so much more, john sail, he, by the way, turned down the opportunity to join trump's defense team in the florida documents case. lisa, you were in the courtroom today. certainly a different ambience, certainly different issues that were discussed today. bring us to speed on what we heard? >> so jose, we heard the remaining testimony from madeleine westerhout, and she was really finishing up her cross-examination. one of the issues that prosecutors tried to establish through her is that trump not only had responsibility for signing each one of the nine checks written in his name personally to michael cohen, but that he knew what he was doing when he was doing that. and i thought the defense was mildly successful at sort of muddying that up, saying that trump, yes, for the most part he knew what he was signing it when he was signing it. toda
joining us now, is nbc news legal correspondent lisa rubin who was inside the courtroom today. senior judge and professor at florida international school of law, phillip, and former federal prosecutor for the southern district of new york and so much more, john sail, he, by the way, turned down the opportunity to join trump's defense team in the florida documents case. lisa, you were in the courtroom today. certainly a different ambience, certainly different issues that were discussed today....
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vaughn hillyard, lisa rubin. >>> we are following breaking news out of wisconsin, just getting this in. according to the mount horab area school district a middle school is on lockdown, there was an active shooter stopped outside of the school building there. but one mother described to our local affiliate the very intense moment when her children inside the school contacted her to talk about what was going on. >> my son marvin, he goes to the middle school, it was around like 11:00 where he called me crying saying they hear multiple shots and him and his friends took off running, and then my other son called me who goes to the high school, he left with his friends because they were evacuated fast. but one of my daughters are still inside of the middle school as we speak. but all we know is that there were some kids -- >> it's hard. >> yeah, it is. >> to get a call when you're at work from your babies crying saying that there's a shooting going on and we're scared, and you're 30 minutes away from them. >> i want to bring in nbc's emilie ikeda. what more do we know? >> you can imagine h
vaughn hillyard, lisa rubin. >>> we are following breaking news out of wisconsin, just getting this in. according to the mount horab area school district a middle school is on lockdown, there was an active shooter stopped outside of the school building there. but one mother described to our local affiliate the very intense moment when her children inside the school contacted her to talk about what was going on. >> my son marvin, he goes to the middle school, it was around like...
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. >> here's what lisa rubin says. they're talking about next the disputed area concerning the defense's desire to say there was no limit on an individual's contributions to his own campaign. bove says they want this language to help the jury understand that trump could have paid on his own. merchan says the defense can argue this on summation but he's not giving this instruction. he reserved decision on the first issue. explain. >> what's going on. >> right. >> so as a matter of law judge merchan doesn't think that that requested instruction is necessary or required -- >> specifically the request to say that donald trump could have paid for this himself. >> and by the way, he didn't -- he didn't use his own money. that was one of the notable things. he said i can pay for this myself and people elected him in part because they liked the fact that a businessman wasn't relying -- and instead he did not use his money. >> the flip side of that is judge merchan is not going to restrict what the defense attorneys can argue i
. >> here's what lisa rubin says. they're talking about next the disputed area concerning the defense's desire to say there was no limit on an individual's contributions to his own campaign. bove says they want this language to help the jury understand that trump could have paid on his own. merchan says the defense can argue this on summation but he's not giving this instruction. he reserved decision on the first issue. explain. >> what's going on. >> right. >> so as a...
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legal correspondent lisa rubin, former deputy -- harry litman, great to have you here. three different things happen today. stormy daniels cross and redirect. the sort of hearing about the mistrial which was interesting. the last witness who got sworn in and will be continuing tomorrow. let's start with stormy daniels. we had around the stand when i talk to you on tuesday. cross today, how did it go? >> for whom is the question? i think it went really well for the prosecution. i do. the reason is because while there are small differences in stormy daniels story, this was an event that happened in 2006. it's 2024. the fact that susan necheles went on, i counted, first seven pages about whether stormy daniels was consistent are not about saying whether or not they had dinner, is beside the point. they were nibbling at the margins. at the same time, making her more sympathetic by attacking her for things that were either socially regressive or the same sort of things their own client does. for example, as you said, selling himself. stormy daniels was selling merchandise. d
legal correspondent lisa rubin, former deputy -- harry litman, great to have you here. three different things happen today. stormy daniels cross and redirect. the sort of hearing about the mistrial which was interesting. the last witness who got sworn in and will be continuing tomorrow. let's start with stormy daniels. we had around the stand when i talk to you on tuesday. cross today, how did it go? >> for whom is the question? i think it went really well for the prosecution. i do. the...
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legal correspondent lisa rubin, and "new york times" investigators reporter susan kravitz, to have you here. i missed the costello fireworks yesterday. i was following it, i was even texting, like, is this is as insane as it sounds? so, the costello experience in that courtroom? >> you're not going to sell me out by reading my response? the costello experience in the courtroom is a really good instructive lesson on how demeanor matters. because, you can say all sorts of things about misdeeds and as long as you remain polite and contrite, and so synced, jurors might believe you. michael cohen is an illustration of that. what was so bizarre is that the robert costello that we saw over the last couple of days reminded me of the michael cohen that we saw at the civil fraud trial. >> that was exactly the fear of everyone around the prosecutor's office. >> correct. >> even to the point that in the same way that costello said, strike that, or, the email speaks for itself, which is also something lawyers say in defense of clients, for example. michael cohen, at that fraud trial would say, aske
legal correspondent lisa rubin, and "new york times" investigators reporter susan kravitz, to have you here. i missed the costello fireworks yesterday. i was following it, i was even texting, like, is this is as insane as it sounds? so, the costello experience in that courtroom? >> you're not going to sell me out by reading my response? the costello experience in the courtroom is a really good instructive lesson on how demeanor matters. because, you can say all sorts of things...
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still with me at the table, harry litman and lisa rubin. harry, i cut you off before we went to break. do you remember what it was? >> no. but, you buried the lede right now. what preceded this was judge merchan saying the money is not effective. he has now raised the hammer and said next time i'm coming down. >> lisa, you meet up with the $1000 fine mac is statutorily by law. judge, you were with us and you say people took a lot of notice of and i heard back from folks who talked about the point you made that you can say, look, there will be jail time and i'm not gonna tell you how much and where until after the trial so you try to get this disincentive affect. what do you think of the ruling by judge merchan today? >> the judgment ski ruling was within his discretion. he found nine violations. there's a bit of a dilemma he has created, and it's that he has another contempt hearing coming up on thursday. that's four more alleged violations. if the judge finds that all of those were, in fact, violations of his gag order, i think most we thi
still with me at the table, harry litman and lisa rubin. harry, i cut you off before we went to break. do you remember what it was? >> no. but, you buried the lede right now. what preceded this was judge merchan saying the money is not effective. he has now raised the hammer and said next time i'm coming down. >> lisa, you meet up with the $1000 fine mac is statutorily by law. judge, you were with us and you say people took a lot of notice of and i heard back from folks who talked...
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mary mccord, the farmer acting assistant general, lisa rubin an msnbc correspondent. all of them have been following this trial closely and they join me now. you've been there almost every day. >> every day. >> sorry, i didn't mean to cut you short there. a meticulous and organized storyteller that's my definition reading and hearing intranscript from the opening statement. >> i think josh steinglass is going to put together all the different crinology. and we've seen the data from disparate sources, everything from phone record providers to the trump organization itself. so i expect josh steinglass is going to take the jury through how the conspiracy was formed, how we know donald trump himself was not only a part of that conspiracy in a broad sense but okayed the payment to stormy daniels. and then moving onto the period in which he was president, how wee know that he okayed the repayment scheme allen weisselberg and michael cohen came up with and executed the checks nine of them personally to michael cohen in that period. then they're going to take us to the period
mary mccord, the farmer acting assistant general, lisa rubin an msnbc correspondent. all of them have been following this trial closely and they join me now. you've been there almost every day. >> every day. >> sorry, i didn't mean to cut you short there. a meticulous and organized storyteller that's my definition reading and hearing intranscript from the opening statement. >> i think josh steinglass is going to put together all the different crinology. and we've seen the data...
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lisa rubin had this point, i think we will talk to her in this hour. the big question today was, will there be some blowout moment? like in a few good men, where he slams the podium and says yes, i'm lying, or whatever. i don't know what the fantasy was, but you are right that he kept composure the entire time and maintained that quiet, chastened version of himself. there are a few glimmers of the other michael cohen. >> they are like, did you call him a cheeto faced dictator? i am mashing up the assertions together, but it is like he had sort of relinquished his rage in a lot of ways, for the most part. that seems really powerful to me. >> i will say and we will talk about this more throughout the evening, on cross there were moments where he seemed nervous, shifty, a little cottonmouth, going for water. there were long pauses. when you ask someone a question they go -- that paws doesn't make you think now i am going to get the truth. there was a little bit of that. again, all of that i think is a little atmospheric because none of that pertains and i
lisa rubin had this point, i think we will talk to her in this hour. the big question today was, will there be some blowout moment? like in a few good men, where he slams the podium and says yes, i'm lying, or whatever. i don't know what the fantasy was, but you are right that he kept composure the entire time and maintained that quiet, chastened version of himself. there are a few glimmers of the other michael cohen. >> they are like, did you call him a cheeto faced dictator? i am...
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lisa rubin, also in the courtroom today. i was in the courtroom today, too. lisa, i want to begin with you because i am challenged in trying to describe the feelings in this courtroom. it is just such an extraordinary place to be, especially today. >> especially today and especially contrasted against yesterday, which was one of the most old days of trial testimony and also one of the most significant, because yesterday was all about actually proving the crime that has been charged. 34 counts of falsification of business records by showing the witnesses who testified. each and every business record alleged to be false and taking them through the statements that are supposedly false. today, by contrast, did not have very much to do with the law and everything to do with the narrative. i want to get back to something you said about todd blanche, who was, in his motion for a mistrial, told the judge juan merchan that trump had nothing to do with what we're doing today. have to tell you, i think it has everything to do with why we are there, because donald trump
lisa rubin, also in the courtroom today. i was in the courtroom today, too. lisa, i want to begin with you because i am challenged in trying to describe the feelings in this courtroom. it is just such an extraordinary place to be, especially today. >> especially today and especially contrasted against yesterday, which was one of the most old days of trial testimony and also one of the most significant, because yesterday was all about actually proving the crime that has been charged. 34...
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let's bring in msnbc legal correspondent lisa rubin. he's been there for the entire trial and earning her kibble today. lisa, thank you for sticking it out for the whole day. thank you for joining us from outside. i have to ask, your big picture take overall on how the two side stay with her summation and what you think is most important for the country to understand about the way the trial concluded today. >> reporter: i think the way the trial concluded today was with a very exhausted group of people upstairs. not only the jury but for example, all the court officers who have been protecting us, protecting the trial. they work as long as the judge says the jury, the trial is going on. i asked, at what point do you change shifts? one said i am here until the trial closes today. you are looking at a group of people from reporters to the jury who are a little tired. my big take away the end of the day as i feel like goldilocks in search of the right bed. that is because it todd blanche's closing was light and detail long on hyperbole, yo
let's bring in msnbc legal correspondent lisa rubin. he's been there for the entire trial and earning her kibble today. lisa, thank you for sticking it out for the whole day. thank you for joining us from outside. i have to ask, your big picture take overall on how the two side stay with her summation and what you think is most important for the country to understand about the way the trial concluded today. >> reporter: i think the way the trial concluded today was with a very exhausted...
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back with me at the table, lisa rubin and harry litman. when we left you were talking about at the end of the day there was a hearing. the jury leaves and the judge dressed down trump's lawyers, who were petitioning for a mistrial based on stormy daniels' testimony. >> first they gave their whole spiel and the d.a. basically said he's not telling the truth, but it was as if the judge memorized the order and had it in his head. he told todd blanche -- >> trump's lawyer. >> sorry, well, there were two different lawyers. he said i can't trust you based on the record. we are not changing the gag order. when it came to the mistrial he eviscerated their technique. he said you did not object and then on your cross he went over this at length. the big thing is, you are the one who put this in play, because you started out accusing her of lying in your opening. you did not talk about the records. i think the way he said these messy details, they are what those to motive and you put his motive at issue by denying the whole thing. so, trump, who real
back with me at the table, lisa rubin and harry litman. when we left you were talking about at the end of the day there was a hearing. the jury leaves and the judge dressed down trump's lawyers, who were petitioning for a mistrial based on stormy daniels' testimony. >> first they gave their whole spiel and the d.a. basically said he's not telling the truth, but it was as if the judge memorized the order and had it in his head. he told todd blanche -- >> trump's lawyer. >>...
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joining us now, msnbc's legal correspondent, lisa rubin. i was in the courthouse for the moment, the building crescendo before the lunch break where todd blanche says that was a lie, and he seemed to catch michael cohen in a moment where he was very sure of the phone call and what the content was with the prosecution, and suddenly with the defense there was some wiggling. explain what happened. >> so michael cohen had testified that on october 24th as they were negotiating the stormy daniels settlement, meaning he with stormy's lawyer, keith davidson, he reached out to keith schiller, then former president trump's body guard and asked to speak to trump over the phone. it was routine for him to do that if he needed to reach trump, and he says on october 24th, he notified them he was going forward with the deal, and trump approved it. what the defense showed was a series of text messages showing that michael cohen had grown annoyed by harassing phone calls. at that point, schiller was the liaison to the secret as much as. keith's response was
joining us now, msnbc's legal correspondent, lisa rubin. i was in the courthouse for the moment, the building crescendo before the lunch break where todd blanche says that was a lie, and he seemed to catch michael cohen in a moment where he was very sure of the phone call and what the content was with the prosecution, and suddenly with the defense there was some wiggling. explain what happened. >> so michael cohen had testified that on october 24th as they were negotiating the stormy...
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lisa rubin is back with us. so, lisa, what exactly are these issues that could not be resolved that caused the judge to decide to just postpone this indefinitely? >> let's start with the fact that the case involves classified documents and under the classified information procedures act, there are a number of different sections of that act that entitle the parties to different kinds of briefing about how classified documents will be used at trial and who can see them or have access to them or whether summaries, for example, need to be provided to the jury. lots of that still needs to be hashed out and, in fact, her order providing that may 20th would be the trial date still left a number of types of those issues unprovided for in the trial calendar. and in other words, she had provided a may 20th trial date without accounting for a number of issues in the classified informations procedure act that would need to be briefed. everybody understood that even may 20th was always a pipe dream because she hadn't provide
lisa rubin is back with us. so, lisa, what exactly are these issues that could not be resolved that caused the judge to decide to just postpone this indefinitely? >> let's start with the fact that the case involves classified documents and under the classified information procedures act, there are a number of different sections of that act that entitle the parties to different kinds of briefing about how classified documents will be used at trial and who can see them or have access to...
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lisa rubin, msn legal correspondent. inc. you for being with us. a few things i want to go through here. talk to me about the hope hicks testimony. hope hicks theory was testifying for the defense here, what was going on, what got her to get emotional, she is not on trial, what was going on in your opinion? >> it's always hard to see what's going on any witnesses mind. i will give you a personal stake in observing hope hicks. she has a passion for donald trump as a person still. there were a number of points in her direct testimony where she flattered him or talked about what she perceives as his strengths, including the fact that he was involved in all aspects of the communication strategy in the campaign and said blatantly, we were just following his lead. i think there was a portion of her testimony that came at the very end of her direct where she said something publicly and under oath that she's never said before, which was when the stormy daniels story broke and when the karen mcdougal story broke in 2018 about, you know, the reality of the p
lisa rubin, msn legal correspondent. inc. you for being with us. a few things i want to go through here. talk to me about the hope hicks testimony. hope hicks theory was testifying for the defense here, what was going on, what got her to get emotional, she is not on trial, what was going on in your opinion? >> it's always hard to see what's going on any witnesses mind. i will give you a personal stake in observing hope hicks. she has a passion for donald trump as a person still. there...
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tim o'brien, senior executive editor of bloomberg opinion, and msnbc legal correspondent, lisa rubin, who's here with me in the studio. welcome to you both. so let's start with robert costello, lisa, who is he? what is his role in this story? what has the jury learned about him so far? >> robert costello is a deputy chief of the federal district of new york. he is known for representing rudy giuliani and for representing steve bannon. both of whom owe him a bunch of money. in fact, in rudy giuliani's bankruptcy papers, one of his largest creditors, aside from ruby freeman and shaye moss is robert costello's law firm. in the context of this case. robert costello was introduced to michael cohen by a mutual friend and law partner, jeff si tron, and he wanted to represent michael cohen when it became clear michael cohen was in criminal jeopardy. bob costello says and told a house committee yesterday that michael cohen repeatedly denied that he had anything on donald trump, and that he has manufactured this story. that's not the way i understand it based on the documents that we've seen an
tim o'brien, senior executive editor of bloomberg opinion, and msnbc legal correspondent, lisa rubin, who's here with me in the studio. welcome to you both. so let's start with robert costello, lisa, who is he? what is his role in this story? what has the jury learned about him so far? >> robert costello is a deputy chief of the federal district of new york. he is known for representing rudy giuliani and for representing steve bannon. both of whom owe him a bunch of money. in fact, in...
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joining us now, nbc news legal correspondent lisa rubin. it's good to have you here. >> i'm happy to be back. >> you're usually down at the courthouse. so you saw michael cohen yesterday. i know he was much more controlled for the prosecution. how did he do with todd blanche? >> he did better with todd blanche than he had done with either alaina allay -- habba. ultimately cohen said, you want to call it a lie, i'll call it a lie. for the most part, he did a good job of maintaining his cool. we haven't gotten to the central facts yet. everything blanche did was about trying to dismantle cohen's credibility as a witness, as a person. >> do you have a sense of how much longer the cross is going to go for michael cohen? >> based on a side bar the parties had yesterday with judge merchan, we can expect todd blanche will go all the bay through the end of the day tomorrow. expect things we haven't seen yet to actually come tomorrow. >> okay. so when he's done with him and after the redirect happens and another cross and redirect, is it your expect
joining us now, nbc news legal correspondent lisa rubin. it's good to have you here. >> i'm happy to be back. >> you're usually down at the courthouse. so you saw michael cohen yesterday. i know he was much more controlled for the prosecution. how did he do with todd blanche? >> he did better with todd blanche than he had done with either alaina allay -- habba. ultimately cohen said, you want to call it a lie, i'll call it a lie. for the most part, he did a good job of...
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msnbc's legal analyst lisa rubin, "new york times" investigative reporter susanne craig, and former federal prosecutor and former sdny criminal division deputy chief, kristy greenberg. >> katy, let's set the stage for what's going on at trump tower where we anticipate him speaking in about an hour, right? >> the assembled press is here. this is the first time i believe everyone has been back in this lobby since the donald trump transition. donald trump is going to come town his golden elevators behind me as a man running for president again, as a former president, yes, but also as a man who has now been convicted on 34 felony counts. the first former president to ever be convicted of a crime and certainly the first one, former president to be running again now that they are convicted on all of those felony counts. and he's doing it, guys, at the literal scene of the crime here in trump tower. this is where david pecker and michael cohen testified that the scheme to influence the 2016 election corruptly as the prosecutors successfully argued was hatched, that david pecker was in donald trump
msnbc's legal analyst lisa rubin, "new york times" investigative reporter susanne craig, and former federal prosecutor and former sdny criminal division deputy chief, kristy greenberg. >> katy, let's set the stage for what's going on at trump tower where we anticipate him speaking in about an hour, right? >> the assembled press is here. this is the first time i believe everyone has been back in this lobby since the donald trump transition. donald trump is going to come...
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msnbc's legal correspondent, lisa rubin, investigative correspondent, suzanne craig, and host of the katie phang show, katie phang. the latest in the courthouse was on the all important jury instructions. any clues as to what the judge will or won't allow? >> there were a number of issues where he reserved judgment. i should note for you and our viewers, the charging conference, the conference where the judge is weighing the jury instructions was difficult to follow because we don't have the draft proposed instructions that each side submitted to judge merchan. that's a failing of the new york court system which has a very of the public access. that said, i'll give you a couple of hints where things are going. each of the prosecution and the defense won on big issues yesterday. the big win for the prosecution is that they don't have to have all of the jurors agree on what the unlawful means were through which donald trump, david pecker, and michael cohen tried to orchestrate their conspiracy to promote donald trump's election. in other words, you can think that the unlawful means was
msnbc's legal correspondent, lisa rubin, investigative correspondent, suzanne craig, and host of the katie phang show, katie phang. the latest in the courthouse was on the all important jury instructions. any clues as to what the judge will or won't allow? >> there were a number of issues where he reserved judgment. i should note for you and our viewers, the charging conference, the conference where the judge is weighing the jury instructions was difficult to follow because we don't have...
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>> joining us now nbc news legal correspondent lisa rubin. you can follow his thinking there because he's saying i can't trust it. he's going to bring up past stuff. and then in realtime, he's saying i can't admit that past stuff is bad. i've had great stuff. this is the sandoval hearing, it's not about cheating on your long-time girlfriend. >> even if you love bravo, no, that's not what it's about. >> the sandoval hearing is designed to help a defendant make an educated decision about whether they want to testify by having the judge rule on the permissible limits of cross examination. that hearing was held on april 22nd. the people meaning the manhattan d.a.'s office talked about a number of different legal judgments against donald trump that they would like to explore were trump to take the stand, and the judge decided that a number of them were, in fact, things that they could explore. that includes the civil fraud finding that he violated new york state law by fraudulently misstating the value of his assets for an economic benefit. it inc
>> joining us now nbc news legal correspondent lisa rubin. you can follow his thinking there because he's saying i can't trust it. he's going to bring up past stuff. and then in realtime, he's saying i can't admit that past stuff is bad. i've had great stuff. this is the sandoval hearing, it's not about cheating on your long-time girlfriend. >> even if you love bravo, no, that's not what it's about. >> the sandoval hearing is designed to help a defendant make an educated...
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joining me now is legal correspondent lisa rubin. i know you have a busy day tomorrow. is keith davidson's assertion that it is cohen and my guy and this all needs to happen before the election, is that sufficient to establish that trump is actually pulling the strings and that this is politically motivated? >> no, but prosecutors are not relying on keith davidson alone. they are constructing a narrative around michael cohen, who is the one witness other than donald trump himself who could tell the story from start to finish. think about keith davidson is a piece of the puzzle, as opposed to the puzzle himself. he corroborates much of what david pecker has told us, but he also had his own interactions with dylan howard, the chief content officer of ami and was deputized by pecker to get stuff done. >> he was the action man. i do wonder how you look at each side's defense and prosecutorial argument because it seems like they are offering a lot of information. they are coming at it from a lot of angles and the defense is playing catch-up. we know that trump, reportedly, a
joining me now is legal correspondent lisa rubin. i know you have a busy day tomorrow. is keith davidson's assertion that it is cohen and my guy and this all needs to happen before the election, is that sufficient to establish that trump is actually pulling the strings and that this is politically motivated? >> no, but prosecutors are not relying on keith davidson alone. they are constructing a narrative around michael cohen, who is the one witness other than donald trump himself who...
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in fact, i was sitting next to lisa rubin and she was saying oh, he never stands for that long. people around us were commenting that he was waiting for patiently till each of them had come in and taken their seats. alan dershowitz being there. lara trump and eric trump. who seemed quite engaged through most of the morning as i was watching them. you had a leader of a somewhat infamous part of hells angels motorcycle group who was here who's had a few problems with the law. so that was something that people were talking about but for the most part, i think somebody was saying these are the folks you could expect to come and give their support. there is also a sense of how well orchestrated this is. that even though you will not hear how there's any sort of coordination between the politics of this, what you have is day after day now after a very slow start as you will remember in the early days of this campaign, early days of this trial, now you have people going there and visibly coming to the microphones as you see. stating their support for donald trump. and making sure that
in fact, i was sitting next to lisa rubin and she was saying oh, he never stands for that long. people around us were commenting that he was waiting for patiently till each of them had come in and taken their seats. alan dershowitz being there. lara trump and eric trump. who seemed quite engaged through most of the morning as i was watching them. you had a leader of a somewhat infamous part of hells angels motorcycle group who was here who's had a few problems with the law. so that was...
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and lisa rubin is with us, a msnbc correspondent in the courtroom today. lisa got a better seat than i did. it is a roulette wheel when you get in there. andrew, i want to begin with a proposition you raised before this testimony. he wrote about it in the new york times." the question of do we need michael cohen's testimony at all? >> i was taking about that because obviously the state was going to call him. one of the things that i think has surprised people, it certainly surprised me, is how strong the case is. starting with david pecker, who said i am a principal and i have this agreement, that was shocking in all its details. the dissemination of false information, which michael cohen talked about today . and, the catching of bad information about donald trump. and, from there, you had the notes that detailed the cover up scheme. you had allen weisselberg's notes. you had hope hicks, who had a damaging information. by the way, the defense that decides we are going to cross- examine those people? not really, we are going to cross-examine stormy daniels,
and lisa rubin is with us, a msnbc correspondent in the courtroom today. lisa got a better seat than i did. it is a roulette wheel when you get in there. andrew, i want to begin with a proposition you raised before this testimony. he wrote about it in the new york times." the question of do we need michael cohen's testimony at all? >> i was taking about that because obviously the state was going to call him. one of the things that i think has surprised people, it certainly surprised...
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i'll bring in msnbc legal correspondent lisa rubin who has been in the court overflow room all morning where members of the press can listen to what's going on due to the limited space inside the courtroom. so, first of all, lisa, the impact of this and the anticipated testimony and also want to ask you something i've just been handed because at his regular in-person media briefing today, the new york city mayor, mayor adams was asked if he and the law enforcement of new york are prepared for the possibility of rikers island having to deal with the former president of the united states, and he said, this is mayor adams now saying the department is prepared for whatever comes their way. he cited the latest with harvey weinstein and that they have had discussions about the possibility of that. so a lot of speculation about how if judge merchan ends up carrying out that threat of jailing a former president and a current candidate, it would not be to rikers island. the secret service, they would find some other way to accommodate it but the fact that the mayor has even had conversations ab
i'll bring in msnbc legal correspondent lisa rubin who has been in the court overflow room all morning where members of the press can listen to what's going on due to the limited space inside the courtroom. so, first of all, lisa, the impact of this and the anticipated testimony and also want to ask you something i've just been handed because at his regular in-person media briefing today, the new york city mayor, mayor adams was asked if he and the law enforcement of new york are prepared for...
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i really felt that today as she was talking. >> lisa rubin, sue craig, thanks to both of you for your insights. it's extraordinary having watched all of that, and joining us now is former deputy assistant attorney general and host of "talking feds podcast" harry litman and msnbc legal analyst kristy greenberg. harry, i want to start with you because you were inside the courtroom watching all of this, and from your experience, just tell us what you think was a mistake to put her on the stand in the first place? was the cross examination too aggressive? you know, just right? and how she held up? >> yes. in brief, not a mistake, and she held up well. so look, today necheles landed a couple jabs, but she need add knockout blow she needs because of her client to persuade the jury that the entire thing is concocted, and she didn't get close to that, and she made some of the same mistakes of tone and over aggression that she made, i thought, on tuesday. she advanced, she took chances on advancing certain views, and stormy daniels who was basically in control, it's the last thing you want to
i really felt that today as she was talking. >> lisa rubin, sue craig, thanks to both of you for your insights. it's extraordinary having watched all of that, and joining us now is former deputy assistant attorney general and host of "talking feds podcast" harry litman and msnbc legal analyst kristy greenberg. harry, i want to start with you because you were inside the courtroom watching all of this, and from your experience, just tell us what you think was a mistake to put her...
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suzanne craig and lisa rubin, thank you so much. we're following all of your notes and appreciate every bit of it, and talk to you later. jeremy, i want to ask you, you've got a body of documentary evidence that's been presented by this prosecution. i think all of our legal analysts, former defense and prosecutors have agreed. so how does that stack up against the drama of what the jury is seeing here with michael cohen. if they reject michael cohen in whole, because the litany of lies and then this moment where he's clearly testified under oath about a key conversation and now isn't sure it happened in that way. todd blanche cast a lot of doubt on that fact. so if they excuse him completely, do they go back to the paper, do jurors act -- >> i don't think they excuse him completely. a jury has a right to say that if i think he's lying and not credible, i think he's not credible about everything in its entirety. there have been some who have said that michael cohen shouldn't even have been called to testify, though i would disagree w
suzanne craig and lisa rubin, thank you so much. we're following all of your notes and appreciate every bit of it, and talk to you later. jeremy, i want to ask you, you've got a body of documentary evidence that's been presented by this prosecution. i think all of our legal analysts, former defense and prosecutors have agreed. so how does that stack up against the drama of what the jury is seeing here with michael cohen. if they reject michael cohen in whole, because the litany of lies and then...
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and lisa rubin said a moment ago that the cardinal rule is you have three points, maybe five. not ten. like todd blanche ended up. >> similar to the way they did direct and cross. journalists and writers, all of us know about the magic of three points and not five and not ten. >> well, here's three. ready? >> steinglass says to the jury, focus on the facts and logical inferences and the hard evidence. notes voice recordings. we ask you to remember the tune out the noise and if you did that, you will see the people have presented powerful evidence. before we get to what the case is about, let's talk about what this case is not about. they are questioning the integrity and suggesting call summaries were trimmed down. the phone records themselves are all evidence. don't fall for the suggestion that these call summaries were trimmed down to mislead you. so here he is right away in essence defending what we heard todd blanche say. the people on the stand were liars and some of the evidence -- >> and that, a good prosecution summation, some do it different. some just start out with
and lisa rubin said a moment ago that the cardinal rule is you have three points, maybe five. not ten. like todd blanche ended up. >> similar to the way they did direct and cross. journalists and writers, all of us know about the magic of three points and not five and not ten. >> well, here's three. ready? >> steinglass says to the jury, focus on the facts and logical inferences and the hard evidence. notes voice recordings. we ask you to remember the tune out the noise and if...
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but maintaining his composure according to to lisa rubin. i keep thinking when we talk about how disjointed this cross-examination is, there have always been days in between the cross-examination, started tuesday, wednesday was off, they continued thursday. the jury had a three-day weekend. then we learned this morning that the closing arguments aren't going to happen until next week. what do you make of it? >> it's going to be the benefit of the prosecution and the defense that closing arguments aren't until next week. they'll conclude with testimony today or tomorrow at the latest. that means both sides will have the opportunity to review the transcript and the detail and pluck out the lines they want to pluck out. let's be clear. as a prosecutor when you're doing a trial, your closing argument, probably 60% of it is done before you start your trial. that's how you parse out which witnesses are you going to call, in what order you're going to call them, what questions are you going to ask, what exhibits are you going to show and what argum
but maintaining his composure according to to lisa rubin. i keep thinking when we talk about how disjointed this cross-examination is, there have always been days in between the cross-examination, started tuesday, wednesday was off, they continued thursday. the jury had a three-day weekend. then we learned this morning that the closing arguments aren't going to happen until next week. what do you make of it? >> it's going to be the benefit of the prosecution and the defense that closing...
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>> yeah, but lisa rubin's comments from inside the overflow room, weisselberg asked cohen if ami would pay it. weisselberg said we need to figure out a way to fund this. one way weisselberg floated is to see if anyone wanted to take it as credit on an invoice on a golf membership or event. if the purpose however was to remove the trump name, that wouldn't work. cohen suggested to weisselberg he could pay it. he was not in a position to do it because he was forwarding four prep schools for grandchildren, and one was for a wedding or bar mitzvah. it was impossible because each entity had a trump name on it because it was a golf course, and i said to weisselberg, why don't you pay it, and he said he was not in the financial position. how did you resolve it, cohen says because of "the daily mail" i said, okay i'll pay it. >> hoffinger said did you speak to donald trump, and i said i would front the money and he was appreciative. don't worry, you will get the money back. i knew i needed to defend donald trump, which is something i have done for a long time. i would not hang out 130 grand fo
>> yeah, but lisa rubin's comments from inside the overflow room, weisselberg asked cohen if ami would pay it. weisselberg said we need to figure out a way to fund this. one way weisselberg floated is to see if anyone wanted to take it as credit on an invoice on a golf membership or event. if the purpose however was to remove the trump name, that wouldn't work. cohen suggested to weisselberg he could pay it. he was not in a position to do it because he was forwarding four prep schools for...