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., the court of appeal has ruled that the former nurse, lucy letby, cannot challenge her convictions, after being found guilty of murdering seven babies and attempting to kill six others. she'd been working at the countess of chester hospital when they died between 2015 and 2016. judith moritz reports. hello, lucy, is it? lucy letby was supposed to care for the most vulnerable, premature and poorly babies, nursing them, often in intensive care, at the neonatal unit where she worked. but betweenjune 2015 and june 2016, she murdered seven babies and attempted to murder a further six at the countess of chester hospital. she was found guilty last summer after a ten—month trial in manchester. shortly afterwards, she applied for leave to appeal against her convictions. today, at a short hearing at the court of appeal, she was denied permission. this court, having heard her application, has decided to refuse leave to appeal on all grounds and to refuse all associated applications. the court hasn't given its reasons for the decision. a fulljudgement will be handed down at a later date, alth
., the court of appeal has ruled that the former nurse, lucy letby, cannot challenge her convictions, after being found guilty of murdering seven babies and attempting to kill six others. she'd been working at the countess of chester hospital when they died between 2015 and 2016. judith moritz reports. hello, lucy, is it? lucy letby was supposed to care for the most vulnerable, premature and poorly babies, nursing them, often in intensive care, at the neonatal unit where she worked. but...
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.— the court of appeal has ruled that the former nurse lucy letby cannot challenge her convictions, for the murder of seven babies and the attempted murder of six others. the reasons for the decision haven't been made public. judith moritz has followed the story throughout and joins me from manchester crown court. explain what has been happening. you ma explain what has been happening. you. may remember that last august after a ten month trial at manchester lucy letby was convicted of murdering and attempting to murdering babies at the countess of chester hospital in 2015 and 2016. shortly after her trial finished, 2015 and 2016. shortly after her trialfinished, she lodged her case with the court of appeal and she argued that there were four grounds upon which she should be considered for appeal. this morning, after a very short hearing, less than five minutes, that court in london told the nurse that she has been denied permission to have her appeal heard and on all grounds, on all four rounds. now, we are not able to give you the full background to what was said during her appeal cour
.— the court of appeal has ruled that the former nurse lucy letby cannot challenge her convictions, for the murder of seven babies and the attempted murder of six others. the reasons for the decision haven't been made public. judith moritz has followed the story throughout and joins me from manchester crown court. explain what has been happening. you ma explain what has been happening. you. may remember that last august after a ten month trial at manchester lucy letby was convicted of...
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barristers representing families of the baby is involved in the lucy letby case argue the hearings should be broadcast, they say would be a counter to some of the online conspiracy theories which have sprung up they say since the trial finished which have been grossly offensive, they say, and distressing to the families. but a barrister representing the countess of chester hospital argues the hearings should not be broadcast worldwide, that instead they should be available on a video link in a restricted way. the chair of the inquiry lady justice thirlwall has said she will make a decision on that matter in due course and we have also had a little bit of the backstage were going on to gather evidence before the hearings start including surveys sent to doctors, nurses and midwives at neonatal units across the nhs. thank you, judith moritz. china's leader xijinping has welcomed russia's president putin to beijing for a state visit. mr xi called vladimir putin his old friend, who said in return that it was logical that china should be his first foreign visit since beginning a new term in off
barristers representing families of the baby is involved in the lucy letby case argue the hearings should be broadcast, they say would be a counter to some of the online conspiracy theories which have sprung up they say since the trial finished which have been grossly offensive, they say, and distressing to the families. but a barrister representing the countess of chester hospital argues the hearings should not be broadcast worldwide, that instead they should be available on a video link in a...
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we'll have the latest. >> and killer nurse lucy letby loses her appeal. the court rules that the serial baby killer cannot challenge her convictions . convictions. >> we'd love to hear what you think. send your views in to gbnews.com/yoursay or say so much to get through in this hour . the. should nigel be the leader of reform uk? going into the election? lots of our viewers and listeners are very disappointed he's not got a frontline role . frontline role. >> i don't blame him. i don't blame him. look, if you get an offer at a job in america with lots of money and you can see the way this election is going, why would you? he'll probably come back in 2029. no, it's definitely okay. >> well, lots to get through. a really busy hour. we are consumed with election fever. the first though, the news headunes the first though, the news headlines and aaron armstrong . headlines and aaron armstrong. >> good morning to you. it's minute past 11 i'm aaron armstrong. sir keir starmer says only labour can stop the chaos and turn the page as he outlines plans to cut bil
we'll have the latest. >> and killer nurse lucy letby loses her appeal. the court rules that the serial baby killer cannot challenge her convictions . convictions. >> we'd love to hear what you think. send your views in to gbnews.com/yoursay or say so much to get through in this hour . the. should nigel be the leader of reform uk? going into the election? lots of our viewers and listeners are very disappointed he's not got a frontline role . frontline role. >> i don't blame...
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. >> a court is set to rule where the child killer, lucy letby, can appeal against her conviction . conviction. >> guns and in the sport this morning, 17 year old luke littler hits a nine dart finish as he wins the premier league of dans as he wins the premier league of darts final at the o2 as he wins the premier league of darts final at the 02 west hams. lucas paqueta is charged by the fa for allegedly getting booked deliberately and affecting the betting market. you know what that means and where is the olympic flame today? i hear you ask . ask. >> where is he? >> where is he? >> good morning. it's a bit of a cooler day for most of us today, but how are things shaping up for the bank holiday weekend? find out all the details with me a little later on. >> where is the olympic flame today? >> well , it's today? >> well, it's funny you should ask that because i'll tell you very shortly. >> thank you very much. >> thank you very much. >> well, that worked well . >> well, that worked well. >> well, that worked well. >> rehearsals are full. we should have done one. i'm stephen dixon. >> good morn
. >> a court is set to rule where the child killer, lucy letby, can appeal against her conviction . conviction. >> guns and in the sport this morning, 17 year old luke littler hits a nine dart finish as he wins the premier league of dans as he wins the premier league of darts final at the o2 as he wins the premier league of darts final at the 02 west hams. lucas paqueta is charged by the fa for allegedly getting booked deliberately and affecting the betting market. you know what...
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the court of appeal has ruled that the former nurse lucy letby cannot challenge her convictions for the murder of seven babies and the attempted murder of six others. the reasons for the decision have not been made public. miss letby, who worked at a neonatal unit, was given a whole life sentence in august this year. a public inquiry examining events at the hospital which employed her is expected to begin in the autumn. the average household should save around £122 a year after the energy watchdog ofgem announced that the price cap, which is the maximum amount paid for a unit of energy, will go down. at the moment, the cap is just under £1,700 a year for an average home in england, wales and scotland. from july, it'll drop to £1,568 a year. our cost of living correspondent colletta smith reports. after two years in a rising cycle, energy prices are now beginning to tumble. is it going to help to be charged a little less through the summer? any expense cut�*s an expense cut, so it does definitely help. you need that. right now, things are getting tougher and tougher. you've just got
the court of appeal has ruled that the former nurse lucy letby cannot challenge her convictions for the murder of seven babies and the attempted murder of six others. the reasons for the decision have not been made public. miss letby, who worked at a neonatal unit, was given a whole life sentence in august this year. a public inquiry examining events at the hospital which employed her is expected to begin in the autumn. the average household should save around £122 a year after the energy...
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lawyers for the families of lucy letby victims say an inquiry into her crime should be live streamed in an effort to prevent conspiracy theories. the former nurse was sentenced to 14 whole life orders after being convicted of murdering seven babies and attempting to murder six others. a lawyer representing the families of six victims says the case continues to attract conspiracy theorists , and conspiracy theorists, and heanng conspiracy theorists, and hearing from the people involved would be an effective way of tackling them. it comes after the new yorker magazine published an article about the case under the headline did she do it ? junior doctors in england do it? junior doctors in england are holding fresh talks with the government in an effort to end their long running dispute over pay - their long running dispute over pay . since march 2023, there pay. since march 2023, there have been a series of walkouts with staff demanding a 35% pay rise, phased in over a number of years. health secretary victoria atkins says she's pleased the british medical association have agreed to the
lawyers for the families of lucy letby victims say an inquiry into her crime should be live streamed in an effort to prevent conspiracy theories. the former nurse was sentenced to 14 whole life orders after being convicted of murdering seven babies and attempting to murder six others. a lawyer representing the families of six victims says the case continues to attract conspiracy theorists , and conspiracy theorists, and heanng conspiracy theorists, and hearing from the people involved would be...
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lucy letby? no. myra hindley rose west. >> no. oh, gosh. they're totally different . i mean, one is sex different. i mean, one is sex with 15 year old boys, which is not a good idea , the other one not a good idea, the other one were murderers. whoa! don't say them in the same sentence as we might. you might get sued. oh, well , of course, i might. you might get sued. oh, well, of course, i mean, she hasn't murdered anybody, but it's a serious crime . it's a serious crime. >> but do we? do we? i mean, your criminal barrister. do we? do we judge female criminals differently in society? >> i don't it's all sort of daily mail. >> women get away with these things because you wouldn't imagine that a woman would do that, so female teachers are more trusted. whoa. >> now then, you're moving over to something else. you're moving over to the west stuff rafe trusted. >> well, myra hindley was trusted. >> yes . that's trusted. >> yes. that's right. that's a different thing altogether. i think it's best to park this woman who's been convicted of having sex with a 15 year old boys
lucy letby? no. myra hindley rose west. >> no. oh, gosh. they're totally different . i mean, one is sex different. i mean, one is sex with 15 year old boys, which is not a good idea , the other one not a good idea, the other one were murderers. whoa! don't say them in the same sentence as we might. you might get sued. oh, well , of course, i might. you might get sued. oh, well, of course, i mean, she hasn't murdered anybody, but it's a serious crime . it's a serious crime. >> but do...
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lucy letby? no. myra hindley rose west. >> no. oh, gosh. they're totally different . i mean, one is sex different. i mean, one is sex with 15 year old boys, which is not a good idea , the other one not a good idea, the other one were murderers. whoa! don't say them in the same sentence as we might. you might get sued. oh, well , of course, i might. you might get sued. oh, well, of course, i mean, she hasn't murdered anybody, but it's a serious crime . it's a serious crime. >> but do we? do we? i mean, your criminal barrister. do we? do we judge female criminals differently in society? >> i don't it's all sort of daily mail. >> women get away with these things because you wouldn't imagine that a woman would do that, so female teachers are more trusted. whoa. >> now then, you're moving over to something else. you're moving over to the west stuff rafe trusted. >> well, myra hindley was trusted. >> yes . that's trusted. >> yes. that's right. that's a different thing altogether. i think it's best to park this woman who's been convicted of having sex with a 15 year old boys
lucy letby? no. myra hindley rose west. >> no. oh, gosh. they're totally different . i mean, one is sex different. i mean, one is sex with 15 year old boys, which is not a good idea , the other one not a good idea, the other one were murderers. whoa! don't say them in the same sentence as we might. you might get sued. oh, well , of course, i might. you might get sued. oh, well, of course, i mean, she hasn't murdered anybody, but it's a serious crime . it's a serious crime. >> but do...
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lawyers for the families of lucy letby victims say an inquiry into her crime should be live streamed in an effort to prevent conspiracy theories . the former nurse was theories. the former nurse was sentenced to 14 whole life orders after she was convicted of murdering seven babies and attempting to murder six more. a lawyer representing the families of six victims says the case continues to attract conspiracy theorists, and hearing from the people involved would be an effective way to tackle them. it comes after the new yorker magazine published an article about the case under the headline, did she do it ? double headline, did she do it? double child killer? colin pitchfork next parole hearing will take place in public in july. he was jailed for life for raping and strangling 215 year old girls, lynda mann and dawn ashworth, in leicestershire in 1983 and 1986. in other news, teenagers could be recruited to help plug a shortage of train drivers under new proposals put forward today. the government is asking for views on lowering the minimum age for drivers from 20 to 18, which it say
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now we saw this at the very furthest end of the spectrum with the lucy letby trial. there were doctors and nurses who claim that they, said time and time again that lucy letby wasn't safe to work with and their concerns were brushed off. they were moved to different departments. they say in some cases they were bullied by nhs management. well wes streeting wants to put an end to that. and he has said very resolutely that any manager who is found to be trying to silence a whistleblower or make their life impossible, or issue them with a gagging order. sometimes these whistleblowers can be paid up to £100,000 to stay quiet , up to £100,000 to stay quiet, anyone who treats any manager, who treats the doctor or nurse like that will be sacked from the nhs and will never be able to work in the nhs again, which is very strong rhetoric. >> it's not. it is. olivia utley. good to see you this morning. thank you . morning. thank you. >> okay, 8:08. well, it's very big day in the world of sport , big day in the world of sport, aidan magee is with us for a start. obviously, the
now we saw this at the very furthest end of the spectrum with the lucy letby trial. there were doctors and nurses who claim that they, said time and time again that lucy letby wasn't safe to work with and their concerns were brushed off. they were moved to different departments. they say in some cases they were bullied by nhs management. well wes streeting wants to put an end to that. and he has said very resolutely that any manager who is found to be trying to silence a whistleblower or make...
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. >> yeah scott the daily mail claims the lucy letby inquiry should be live streamed to stop conspiracy theories, because putting things on the internet always makes conspiracy types not pay attention. >> it totally helps the former neonatal nurse was sentenced to 14 whole life orders after being convicted of murdering seven babies and attempting to murder six others at the chester hosphal six others at the chester hospital. now, the public inquiry was set up soon afterwards and they want to put it on live stream so that people could watch and have all their questions answered and you can see the facts. although facts mean different things to different people and they easily can be renegotiated. if whatever your story is . so how this is your story is. so how this is going to help? i don't know. there's obviously no real history of trials being broadcast, although in the us there is. we started with oj, you may remember that was kind of the first national case and that led to a disturbing verdict. and, and didn't stop the conspiracy theories long before we had really the obsession with
. >> yeah scott the daily mail claims the lucy letby inquiry should be live streamed to stop conspiracy theories, because putting things on the internet always makes conspiracy types not pay attention. >> it totally helps the former neonatal nurse was sentenced to 14 whole life orders after being convicted of murdering seven babies and attempting to murder six others at the chester hosphal six others at the chester hospital. now, the public inquiry was set up soon afterwards and...
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an inquiry into crimes committed by paediatric nurse and serial killer lucy letby will not be live streamed to the public. letby was sentenced to 14 whole life orders for murdering seven babies in her care and attempting to kill six others. lawyers for the families of her victims had argued for the inquiry to be streamed in an effort to counter the spread of what they called grossly offensive conspiracy theories. but the inquiry's chairwoman says there's a risk of breaching court orders which prevent the identification of several people involved. it comes after articles appeared in us media questioning some evidence being put forward in the case. and in new york, jurors have begun their deliberations in donald trump's so—called hush money trial. prosecutors alleged that a payment was made to a former aduu a payment was made to a former adult film star, which could have contributed to trump's election victory . a conviction election victory. a conviction would not end his bid to return to the white house. however polls are suggesting it could cost support among independents and some republ
an inquiry into crimes committed by paediatric nurse and serial killer lucy letby will not be live streamed to the public. letby was sentenced to 14 whole life orders for murdering seven babies in her care and attempting to kill six others. lawyers for the families of her victims had argued for the inquiry to be streamed in an effort to counter the spread of what they called grossly offensive conspiracy theories. but the inquiry's chairwoman says there's a risk of breaching court orders which...
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that is news that you saw on screen a little earlier that the child serial killer lucy letby has lost her bid to overturn her conviction for murdering seven babies and trying to kill six others. she was found guilty last year of killing five baby boys and two baby girls at the chester hospital. let's talk to our correspondence in sunderland. a significant development this morning. just remind us of some of the background to this case. i would like to a court _ the background to this case. i would like to a court order _ the background to this case. i would like to a court order prevents - the background to this case. i would like to a court order prevents us - like to a court order prevents us from giving you the full background to the case and that is because lucy letby will be facing a retrial on one count, left over from her original trial, when the jury could not decide on that one. that trial begins next month in manchester. for that reason we are limited in what we can say but today at the royal course in london she has failed to appeal her conviction. it was a very short hearin
that is news that you saw on screen a little earlier that the child serial killer lucy letby has lost her bid to overturn her conviction for murdering seven babies and trying to kill six others. she was found guilty last year of killing five baby boys and two baby girls at the chester hospital. let's talk to our correspondence in sunderland. a significant development this morning. just remind us of some of the background to this case. i would like to a court _ the background to this case. i...
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but 11 years on and ten months on from the lucy letby case, there are still clear examples of nhs managers still gagging staff and then being moved on instead of being moved out . so will the prime moved on instead of being moved out. so will the prime minister now commit to ensuring that those who do gag and silence whistleblowers will no longer be able to work in the nhs ? able to work in the nhs? >> prime minister mr speaker, of course , the behaviour that the course, the behaviour that the honourable gentleman describes is wrong and i believe already is wrong and i believe already is illegal under our laws. but we will make sure that people do have the ability to raise concerns . and one thing that concerns. and one thing that i know has given many of those who have been impacted by this scandal some reassurance, is the appointment of sir robert francis to be chair of the inquiry, who obviously is someone who not just has a wealth of experience dealing with this particular set of issues, but has a long track record of working with the nhs as well on the issues that the honourable gentl
but 11 years on and ten months on from the lucy letby case, there are still clear examples of nhs managers still gagging staff and then being moved on instead of being moved out . so will the prime moved on instead of being moved out. so will the prime minister now commit to ensuring that those who do gag and silence whistleblowers will no longer be able to work in the nhs ? able to work in the nhs? >> prime minister mr speaker, of course , the behaviour that the course, the behaviour...
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i mean, phil just lastly, this was a the most shocking example recently was with the lucy letby case. and i know that's historic to an extent, but the fact that whistleblowers tried to, you know, tell the nhs management, try to tell those higher up that something was going wrong, horrifically going wrong, and it took so long for that to then you know, end in some kind of action. >> well, of course , you know, >> well, of course, you know, the difficulty with the lucy letby case and chester is that, you know, the threat of the general medical council was made to the doctors involved. there is no equivalent threat that you can use to an administrator or a health board, but, you can use to an administrator or a health board, but , you know, the health board, but, you know, the repercussions of what's gone on in chester are still going on, today. so you know, we are seeing health boards and the behaviours of, of health boards and trusts around the country still taking precedent over patient safety. >> so what would you like to see the government do now about creating. you mentioned more r
i mean, phil just lastly, this was a the most shocking example recently was with the lucy letby case. and i know that's historic to an extent, but the fact that whistleblowers tried to, you know, tell the nhs management, try to tell those higher up that something was going wrong, horrifically going wrong, and it took so long for that to then you know, end in some kind of action. >> well, of course , you know, >> well, of course, you know, the difficulty with the lucy letby case and...
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child serial killer lucy letby will find out today if her bid to challenge her convictions at the court of appeal has been successful. the former nurse was sentenced to 1a whole—life orders for murdering seven babies and attempting kill six others. seniorjudges are expected to give their decision on her appeal bid later. in the next hour, 0fgem is expected to announce that the average household energy bill will drop by around 7%. the change to the energy price cap would mean savings from july for a typical household, but experts think bills could rise again in october. cost of living correspondent colletta smith has more. energy prices are always a hot topic in michelle's salon. bills at home have like tripled. although you hear it's coming down, you've no confidence that it actually will. not significantly for you not to have to save, not to have to budget more. my direct debit certainly hasn't come down, you know. - today's announcement is the second consecutive fall in the price cap within six months. that's great news for everybody. but let's remember that people are still paying
child serial killer lucy letby will find out today if her bid to challenge her convictions at the court of appeal has been successful. the former nurse was sentenced to 1a whole—life orders for murdering seven babies and attempting kill six others. seniorjudges are expected to give their decision on her appeal bid later. in the next hour, 0fgem is expected to announce that the average household energy bill will drop by around 7%. the change to the energy price cap would mean savings from july...
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an inquiry into crimes committed by paediatric nurse and serial killer lucy letby will not be live streamed to the public. letby was sentenced to 14 whole life orders for murdering seven babies and trying to kill six others in her care. lawyers for the families of her victims had argued for the inquiry to be streamed in an effort to counter the spread of what they called grossly offensive conspiracy theories. but the inquiry's chairwoman says there's a risk of breaching court orders, which prevents the identification of several people involved, and that comes after articles appeared in us media questioning some evidence in the case. and just lastly, a volcano in iceland has been erupting once again today. it's the fifth time since december. if you're watching on tv, take a look at these startling pictures of that volcano spewing magma and ash clouds into the atmosphere. the outbursts happening on the reykjanes peninsula that's home to around 30,000 people just south of the capital, reykjavik. previous eruptions have forced people to be evacuated from their homes, closed roads and even razed
an inquiry into crimes committed by paediatric nurse and serial killer lucy letby will not be live streamed to the public. letby was sentenced to 14 whole life orders for murdering seven babies and trying to kill six others in her care. lawyers for the families of her victims had argued for the inquiry to be streamed in an effort to counter the spread of what they called grossly offensive conspiracy theories. but the inquiry's chairwoman says there's a risk of breaching court orders, which...
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but 11 years on, ten months on from the lucy letby case, there are still clear examples of nhs managers still clear examples of nhs managers still gagging staff and then being moved on instead of being moved out. so, will the prime minister now commit to ensuring those who do gag and silence whistle—blowers will no longer be able to work in the nhs? of course the behaviour that the honourable gentleman described is wrong and i believe already is illegal under our laws but we will make sure that people do have the ability to raise concerns and one thing i know has given many of those who have been impacted by this scandal some reassurance is the appointment of sir robert francis to be chair of the inquiry who obviously is someone who just doesn't have a wealth of experience dealing with this particular set of issues but a long track record working with the nhs as well on the issueis working with the nhs as well on the issue is the honourable gentleman raises. 5ir issue is the honourable gentleman raises. ,, �* h issue is the honourable gentleman raises. ,, �* �*, issue is the hon
but 11 years on, ten months on from the lucy letby case, there are still clear examples of nhs managers still clear examples of nhs managers still gagging staff and then being moved on instead of being moved out. so, will the prime minister now commit to ensuring those who do gag and silence whistle—blowers will no longer be able to work in the nhs? of course the behaviour that the honourable gentleman described is wrong and i believe already is illegal under our laws but we will make sure...
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an inquiry into crimes committed by former paediatric nurse and serial killer lucy letby will not be streamed live to the public. letby was sentenced to 14 whole life orders for murdering seven babies in her care and attempting to kill six others. lawyers for the families of her victims had argued for the inquiry to be streamed in an effort to counter the spread of what they called grossly offensive conspiracy theories. but the inquiry's chairwoman says there's a risk of breaching court orders, which prevents the identification of several people involved. and that comes after articles appeared in us media questioning some of the evidence in the case. an investigation into severe turbulence that hit a singapore airlines flight last week has found that a rapid change in gravitational force caused the plane to suddenly drop thousands of feet. the flight was forced to divert, in fact, to bangkok when terrified passengers and crew were thrown in mid—air, with some hitting ceilings and walls. 173 year old british man died of a suspected heart attack while on the trip of a lifetime , whil
an inquiry into crimes committed by former paediatric nurse and serial killer lucy letby will not be streamed live to the public. letby was sentenced to 14 whole life orders for murdering seven babies in her care and attempting to kill six others. lawyers for the families of her victims had argued for the inquiry to be streamed in an effort to counter the spread of what they called grossly offensive conspiracy theories. but the inquiry's chairwoman says there's a risk of breaching court orders,...
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if you think back to the lucy letby case, you know how the details of her life were totally trawl through. was that making her seem sympathetic to understand and talk to her childhood friends? or was it just to understand who these characters are a little bit more and i think it might be a bit of both. i mean, if, for example, in the write ups we know that she was in a nine year relationship, she got broken up with in her late 20s. so did she have some kind of mental breakdown that's led her to do this kind of stuff? does she think that she can never get pregnant? but what she told one of the boys, you know, we don't need to have protection because i'm not going to get pregnant anyway. because i'm infertile. well, clearly she's not. so that's what i mean. like, she's clearly mentally unwell. that's not to kind of reduce responsibility at all. but i think there is a kind of, you know, fascination with and like morbid fascination with why, why she is the way she is because she is the way she is because she doesn't seem that repentant ehhen she doesn't seem that repentant either. if you list
if you think back to the lucy letby case, you know how the details of her life were totally trawl through. was that making her seem sympathetic to understand and talk to her childhood friends? or was it just to understand who these characters are a little bit more and i think it might be a bit of both. i mean, if, for example, in the write ups we know that she was in a nine year relationship, she got broken up with in her late 20s. so did she have some kind of mental breakdown that's led her to...