we are with ron swisher, stay with us. >>> we are talking with ron swisher, the pastor of community united methodist church in fairfield and he is running down the big stories for us at the end of 2013. nelson mandela, the new pope and then we got into this sticky wicket of gay and lesbian rights in the church and how it is impacting various denominations. the united methodist church, what is the stands, and what are the repercussions? >> the stance is that for years, in our particular conference, we have performed blessings of gay couples and about 10 to 12 years ago they said we cannot even do that. some people have said, no, for 25 or 30 years we have supported gay and we want to continue. but the law in the methodist church voted against it. so any clergy who does do a gay union or marriage because there are marriages now, they are award is taken from them. that has recently happen to the reverend schaefer. >> so you are no longer ordained? >> that is right. you have to surrender your orders and all the rights of doing marriages. he, by the way, did the wedding for his son. he felt lik