what, two years ago, sir david amess a few months ago.tituent, who's got a constituency , i think, in constituency, i think, in islington, he's now stepped down because of islamists and islamo leftists threatening to burn his constituency surgery down. so it's a real it's a real pattern . it's a real it's a real pattern. and the response has always is never been adequate enough to send the kind of strong signal that would that would prevent these things from happening again, that would at least sort of deter people from acting like this. >> i do just want to say mike fri—yay, it's not islington, it's golders green. sorry, finchley, but it's very it's london based , notwithstanding london based, notwithstanding that, ella, what do you think? >> i think i agree with you, james, but i think we need to be careful because the difference between what happened to dave david amess and the attacks that, nigel farage has suffered last week and this week. the difference is, sir david amess killer was an islamist, and it was a very specific and what

. >> this is gb news david amess . >> this is gb news david amess. >> this is gb news david amess. >>for, i think. >> i think where it verges into i didn't know the flag had been stolen. that's also different for me. and also, i think where things verge into hate crime, i think that is also different. i think that is also different. i think i'm just highlighting something broader here. there are lots of people that are suffering from antisocial behaviour that is devastating their lives. you know, when my mum and dad were young parents and i was in my mum's belly, they had like a violent alcoholic ruining their lives. people are dealing with serious levels of crime. i'm not saying this guy shouldn't have been arrested. arrested, but i think my concern is, is how much gravitas we're giving to certain things, how much priority we're giving to certain things, who we're trying to please here. why are we trying to please. right. that's the million dollar question. and that's the thing. and i'm just like, to be honest, where are the lobbyists for the poor people? where are the lobbyists for

. >> this is gb news david amess . >> this is gb news david amess. >> this is gb news david amess. >>r, i think. >> i think where it verges into i didn't know the flag had been stolen. that's also different for me. and also, i think where things verge into hate crime, i think that is also different. i think that is also different. i think i'm just highlighting something broader here. there are lots of people that are suffering from antisocial behaviour that is devastating their lives. you know, when my mum and dad were young parents and i was in my mum's belly, they had like a violent alcoholic ruining their lives. people are dealing with serious levels of crime. i'm not saying this guy shouldn't have been arrested. arrested, but i think my concern is, is how much gravitas we're giving to certain things, how much priority we're giving to certain things, who we're trying to please here. why are we trying to please. right. that's the million dollar question. and that's the thing. and i'm just like, to be honest, where are the lobbyists for the poor people? where are the lobbyists for th

we have had the murder on the streets of two of our mps, jo cox and david amess. sewer of public conversation on social media. many people have come on the airwaves on radio four begging for us to up ourgame. we have had, just weeks ago, nigel farage, who many of our listeners say is a failure trampolined by the media, who has failed seven times to be elected. he told us that our prime minister didn't understand our culture, and that was obviously to do with the d—day matter, which we've criticised, shared the criticism of here on the airwaves. and that was then explained away as being, "he couldn't go into a pub." but actually, we do need to say on radio four that the prime minister of this country hasjust been forced to use the p word, and it is a moment, with days to go in this election, and in a way, i'm not surprised. what was going to happen in our public...? except, well, i was going to say he wasn't actually forced to use the p word because — and i'm disagreeing with you here very respectfully, paddy — because actually there were choices here. you could ma

we have had the murder on the streets of two of our mps, jo cox and david amess. sewer of public conversation on social media. many people have come on the airwaves on radio four begging for us to up ourgame. we have had, just weeks ago, nigel farage, who many of our listeners say is a failure trampolined by the media, who has failed seven times to be elected. he told us that our prime minister didn't understand our culture, and that was obviously to do with the d—day matter, which we've criticised, shared the criticism of here on the airwaves. and that was then explained away as being, "he couldn't go into a pub." but actually, we do need to say on radio four that the prime minister of this country hasjust been forced to use the p word, and it is a moment, with days to go in this election, and in a way, i'm not surprised. what was going to happen in our public...? except, well, i was going to say he wasn't actually forced to use the p word because — and i'm disagreeing with you here very respectfully, paddy — because actually there were choices here. you could ma

it's true, a milkshake l is one thing, shouting another, but we don't want anotherjo cox or david amessin debate. instead, he wants to talk about his own policies. the lib dems unveiled a new policy today to introduce free personal care — similar to the system that operates in scotland. plenty of analysis on that note doubt on stage later on tonight on itv. and of course, plenty more on the bbc website if you want to look at some of these policies that are now being put out there. just enough time to thank mike and charlotte for their contributions tonight, thank you for your time. on the other side of the break, we will hand you over to rajini for the world debate. hello. some decidedly cool air has been sinking southwards across the uk during today. tonight is certainly going to be quite a lot chillier than last night was, and over the next few days, it remains cool and breezy, a mix of sunshine and showers, cold enough over the very highest ground in scotland for some of those showers to be wintry. so during today, we've seen these frontal systems pushing southwards and eastwards. st

conservative mp of course, david amess was murdered in october 2021.ual vote going on side. we're seeing constituency offices of parliamentarians from the labour party surrounded by those from the hard left. the pro—palestinian support hours. is this something you think we need to talk about? we need to have an open conversation because if it's getting too dangerous for politicians to campaign during a live electoral cycle, mark white that is not a healthy democracy . healthy democracy. >> no. and we've always had issues with the left or indeed the far left. i remember covering many may day protests when, you know, that was activists and far left, groups that were involved in some really serious violence against the, the police and against, businesses that they saw as offending their particular sensibilities. so, yes, there's always been issues, from those on the, the left and those on the right , on the, the left and those on the right, but i think it's less about that and more about those who can't just anymore, it seems, except that you can disagree

we know about jo cox, of course, the tragic death as well of david amess.ffices targeted. we've had mps offices targeted. nigel farage has had a milkshake thrown at him last week, and now pieces of concrete . what's going wrong here? .what's going wrong here? >> yes, indeed . and let me begin >> yes, indeed. and let me begin by saying these acts are wholly unacceptable and whoever is found guilty of such offences must be brought under the full weight of the law, when we have a situation where you have, the principal , the person being principal, the person being protected has a need to go out and mingle with the crowd, generally speaking , these crowds generally speaking, these crowds are unknowns to the protection team. and by coming into close proximity, you are raising the element of risk in being attacked. and the situation is almost impossible for those conducting protection . now, when conducting protection. now, when you make a comparison between the government, protection teams and the private sector, what you have in a planned event in terms of, th

i remember the last one, david amess that was murdered by an islamist fanatic. conversation , and i remember the conversation, being all about how we should be nicer to each other on social media. no one was actually willing to address the issues behind why that mp lost his life . do you remember that? yeah. no, no, no, absolutely. >> and we do need to address the underlying issues. but i'll tell you what, the world has changed since i was a member of parliament, and social media is part of that. i only feared for my safety once in 13 years when i was a member of parliament. i think today and i know from talking and what happened there, if you don't mind me asking, i was in my surgery and had my pa sitting next to me. wrongly. we had our backs to the window. he was sitting opposite and he got really , really agitated. and you really, really agitated. and you know, both of us said afterwards we thought he was going to go for us. but that was once in 13 years, mps today virtually experienced that every day of the week. >> well, yeah. but like we're saying, social

you know, it wasn't it wasn't, it wasn't three years ago that we lost, sir david amess, an mp, and we'veghth anniversary of the death of jo cox . we have lost two mps of jo cox. we have lost two mps in this country. this isn't just like a, something, you in this country. this isn't just like a, something , you know, like a, something, you know, candidates not wanting to put themselves forward. there have been the most awful repercussions and people paying with their lives. so i do think we need to take it seriously. it's horrific that it comes to this, but that's the reality that unfortunately, we face. and i think the responsibility lies first and foremost with the police . police. >> yeah, i've got to say as well, nobody should be going to any politician's home. she just mentioned keir starmer is one everyone will remember as well when people went into i think it was greenpeace, was it they went into rishi sunak's garden. do you remember that? was it greenpeace? i'm pretty sure i'm right there. they unfolded that big, that big banner. i can't remember what they were protesting about. i

but then there's also the very serious side where, you know, sir david amess was, was killed.age is being attacked. he needs massive security now . i can't go on a security now. i can't go on a train. so i see, so i see both sides. it's not just targeted at women, it's targeted at everyone and particularly politicians. now it is like louis says, it's hit another level. >> see what i find interesting about these stories, particularly as it's in the guardian. they, they they need to have a victim. they need to have an oppressor. and in this case, they've made women the victim. now do we protect women differently? should we specify we protect women from men? and my inclination in this, always from a traditional perspective, is that perhaps we should protect women more. but where's the equality in that? there is no equality in that. if men and women are equal, or all 58 genders are equal, then there has to be equality. now, i'm not suggesting for a minute that we should undermine any of this, but what we do see here is the guardian once again honing in specifically on women when w

amess was tragically murdered.we've also seen just stop oil this week disrupt the duke of westminster's wedding at a ceremony at chester cathedral , so wedding at a ceremony at chester cathedral, so an nhs nurse and a care worker have been arrested after setting off fire extinguishers filled with orange smoke. it's kind of dangerous to fill fire extinguishers with stuff that doesn't put out fires. i'd have thought. i mean, apparently they had waited in position since the early hours of the morning and hid their fire extinguishers in a shopping trolley, which i didn't get, but it must have been one of those. there must have been a pillow long one. the pensioners have not like a wire one. >> yeah, because you can see it. >> yeah, because you can see it. >> it's like the worst disguise even >> it's like the worst disguise ever. so there's a fire extinguisher in that wire trolley. why have you got a load of rubbish? >> have you got. seems to be a trolley in the first place. and also, why are there two fire extinguisher

we've had sir david amess who's been stabbed, murdered since then . and murdered since then.ains extremely high for people on the front line of politics. >> are you confident that mps are getting the right help and advice? because we've seen, obviously, verbal attacks . obviously, verbal attacks. that's quite commonplace. we've seen physical attacks like the ones on farage recently. we've also seen mps own homes and offices surrounded by mobs, particularly when it comes to those campaigning for pro—palestinian sort of causes, equally, we had rosie duffield, the labour mp, saying that she couldn't attend her hustings in canterbury this week because she feared the reaction from some campaigners in response to what she said about the transgender debate. and yet i've spoken to mps and they feel there's an inconsistency when it comes to sort of parliamentary advice and guidance on security. sometimes they have a surgery and there are people outside and sometimes there are not. it's asking too much of the police to be policing every mp surgery across the length and breadth of the l

amess , stephen course, sir david amess, stephen timms as well, a long time ago, who was stabbed but would it deter people from going into the business as such, will they have more security? what do you think? >> i think there's a real risk. it puts people off. i mean, there's lots of things about choosing the life in politics that are already not particularly attractive. and the more we hear about the abuse that mps face, whether it's onune that mps face, whether it's online abuse, whether it's verbal abuse or even when it gets physical, that's not the sort of thing that makes you think, i want to get in and do that , okay. that, okay. >> and on screen now you'll be able to see because we talked about clacton there. these are the people who are also running in clacton. and let me talk about the debate last night. the leaders debate . and my thing leaders debate. and my thing about keir starmer, of course, is that he's not a good performer. he's not good at making speeches. i don't think. however, i think in this particular scenario he he does perform. he comes alive in a debate situ

the fact that, you know, in not just her case and sir david amess case as well, they, paid for theirer shoes and became the mp into her shoes and became the mp in her constituency. but there must be other people, ordinary people who care about society, want to make a difference and think frankly . want to make a difference and think frankly. i just don't want to put my family or myself in harm's way to do that job. >> i think that's definitely true. i mean, i think there are probably two effects of what happened to jo is, one, it would certainly have scared a lot of people. and i think not just what happened to jo, not just happened. what happened to david amess, but also the sort of day to day intimidation, the vitriol jul, the threats both sort of explicit and implicit to members of parliament, to councillors as well , is of parliament, to councillors as well, is something which is a real problem and definitely puts people off. i also think that in jo's case, people also related to her, and i think there were a lot of people i've spoken to, lots of them who aspire inspired into pol

so we have jo cox, sir david amess, and we have politicians talking about cancelling their surgeries,public, teachers being threatened. so this is a very simple set up that explores all of this. and james corden plays an ex—serviceman who is going through a difficult divorce, deaung through a difficult divorce, dealing with a lot of ptsd, also feeling very much like fathers are overlooked, and he wants to fight for their rights. and an old school friend is a local mp played by anna maxwell martin, and he goes in to start talking to her and it starts off quite chummy and jovial, and then it darkens and darkens. he gets quite aggressive and frustrated. she wants to help. she's an absolute idealist. this politicians sense of we don't choose who we work for. you know, we are here by duty to work for everybody in our constituency. it spirals a lot, ihave constituency. it spirals a lot, i have to say. corden sensational . he really is sensational. he really is a fantastic actor of all of them. he he's so natural and he has the most difficult role where his character is shifting all the time

. >> and that's where david amess was killed. yes that's right. yeah.de and i think this, this woman, was it victoria thomas bowen, the woman who who's, a model and part time influencer? >> actually, yes. only fans account claims to be an influencer . influencer. >> yeah, i think, you know, she's after the publicity, but i think what's stupid about this is that it is actually very dangerous. but on the other hand , i think to myself, farage has doneit , i think to myself, farage has done it again. he somehow got the entire nation expressing their sympathy for him. now, i'm not suggesting for a moment that he bribed her to sling the no, but he didn't. >> of course he didn't. >> of course he didn't. >> we were joking about that. but in some ways now the whole nafion but in some ways now the whole nation is saying, this is so unfair. i think she has been made to look stupid , risible, and unpleasant, and aggressive and unpleasant, and he has been made to look decent . he has been made to look decent. and actually the person who tolerates this and puts up an

jo cox david amess i mean, the language around politics at the moment is just so. just completely wrong. inflammatory. it'sjust completely wrong. in wes streeting defence, i do think he's one of the few labour people that admits that the nhs does need reform, and it's not worth just throwing loads of money at it. he said that in an interview the other day, he said he does talk a bit of sense occasion. well, exactly. >> i used to find wes streeting quite refreshing, but then he, when he got on the despatch box in the commons and laughed with all his labour mps about the natcon event in brussels being shut down, the one that nigel farage was at, i just thought, come on, you know, people of the right side of the argument would back the left's right for free speech at all costs. but when it comes , you know, in reverse, comes, you know, in reverse, left supporting the right, they just seem to think it's a big you don't laugh at the left wing perspectives. >> you don't have a little giggle at our left wing perspective. >> i don't laugh, i don't ever laugh at opposition

amess from the conservative party, jo cox from the labour party, jo cox from the labour party, you knowi mean, you know, this behaviour is just utterly , utterly unacceptable. utterly, utterly unacceptable. and i hope we do not see any more ugly episodes like this in the remaining weeks of the campaign . campaign. >> thank you. jonathan ashworth, shadow paymaster general , for shadow paymaster general, for joining us, putting politics to one side and agreeing we can all agree to condemn such attacks. thank you for joining agree to condemn such attacks. thank you forjoining us on gb thank you for joining us on gb news. always a pleasure to have you. well, plenty more reaction to the election to come in just a moment where i'll get a reaction from a tory immigration minister. a cap has come out today, but how big is that cap? let's try find out. welcome back. and i'm now joined by michael tomlinson, who's the minister of state for illegal migration. welcome to the show, michael. a pleasure to have your company. so the tory party came out fighting this morning saying you're going to introd

amess four years ago.for us that was the arson attack. what impact has it had on you and yourfamilies? what impact has it had on you and your families?— what impact has it had on you and your families? every mp gets a level of abuse, usually _ your families? every mp gets a level of abuse, usually it _ your families? every mp gets a level of abuse, usually it is, _ your families? every mp gets a level of abuse, usually it is, you - your families? every mp gets a level of abuse, usually it is, you know, i of abuse, usually it is, you know, phone calls or e—mail, but increasingly we are starting to worry about fixated individuals or specific attacks by people who have a grudge, whatever that might be caused by. i have to say that women mps get it even worse, certainly the threats of sexual violence is particularly worrying, and that is why i do not a single mp who has not had some sort of incident and he does not carry some sort of alarm system has had their home and office upgraded in terms of security. sad

and i think, you know, it's not that long ago we lost jo cox and david amess, and i think we really havethey are human beings. at the end of the day, meanwhile, begins we've got a lot of celebs in the usa , lot of celebs in the usa, wanting to be seen around politicians and in this particular case, president joe biden . biden. >> tell us more. >> tell us more. >> well, they've had george clooney and julia roberts. real a—listers have been supporting, doing a fundraiser, which raised $28 million. we don't see that happen a lot here, though. do we know? >> and should we is the question. i always remember people like bob monkhouse, jim davidson becoming associated with the conservative. that's right in particular. and it alienated a lot of people who would normally support them. and what they do do you think it's a goodidea what they do do you think it's a good idea to be affiliated associated? >> i think it's probably a bad idea, but i think the americans you see go with it with a gung ho because they think this is they're helping their country, you know, and i don't think they realise or