i see jenrick as a kind of policy quy- see jenrick as a kind of policy guy.p with this very detailed immigration plan. he's a serious guy. he's known as an up and comer, but i'm not convinced he's the front man. so why not put jim mcmahon farage together ? that would be a party. together? that would be a party. >> i also think that equation doesn't take into account that there are a lot of tory old tory voters out there, ex tory voters, rather than age wise, that just won't vote because they're never going to vote for laboun they're never going to vote for labour. they're unlikely to vote for lib dem . and if you tell for lib dem. and if you tell them they can't vote for a reform, they won't. so you it doesn't take into account that there will just be none of the above. whereas reform actually gives people on the right . or, gives people on the right. or, you know, there used to be the centre of politics, an opportunity to vote for something they care about. so i don't i don't buy into it. i understand what they're saying, i understand it, but, i don't necess

i see jenrick as a kind of policy quy- see jenrick as a kind of policy guy.with this very detailed immigration plan. he's a serious guy. he's known as an up and comer, but i'm not convinced he's the front man. so why not put jim mcmahon farage together ? that would be a party. together? that would be a party. >> i also think that equation doesn't take into account that there are a lot of tory old tory voters out there, ex tory voters, rather than age wise, that just won't vote because they're never going to vote for laboun they're never going to vote for labour. they're unlikely to vote for lib dem . and if you tell for lib dem. and if you tell them they can't vote for a reform, they won't. so you it doesn't take into account that there will just be none of the above. whereas reform actually gives people on the right . or, gives people on the right. or, you know, there used to be the centre of politics, an opportunity to vote for something they care about. so i don't i don't buy into it. i understand what they're saying, i understand it, but, i don't necessar

jenrick and, jenrick and braverman are saying i delivered that with a straight face. >> jim mcmahon.>> jim mcmahon. >> braverman are seeing it as a chance, according to this piece, to sort of come in and with more tough measures. they want tough on the echr, tough on immigration tax changes that they want, whereas sunak is going to try and head that off by being a bit tough on the echr, though not that, you know, he's already said we would we would not let them stop rwanda, but he's probably going to go slightly further with the language. according to the telegraph. and we definitely wouldn't let them stop it and things like that. >> so i mean, i suppose the big question, and it's been discussed earlier this evening on this channel, is whether or not this election, i mean, is lost by all accounts. anyway, i think it's something like 40 to 1 against or something you can get now you've got it labour seat. but yeah, but whether in theory such an election would be won from the centre, or whether his bigger concern is to try and bnng his bigger concern is to try and bring reform voters ba

jenrick and, jenrick and braverman are saying i delivered that with a straight face. >> jim mcmahon.jim mcmahon. >> braverman are seeing it as a chance, according to this piece, to sort of come in and with more tough measures. they want tough on the echr, tough on immigration tax changes that they want, whereas sunak is going to try and head that off by being a bit tough on the echr, though not that, you know, he's already said we would we would not let them stop rwanda, but he's probably going to go slightly further with the language. according to the telegraph. and we definitely wouldn't let them stop it and things like that. >> so i mean, i suppose the big question, and it's been discussed earlier this evening on this channel, is whether or not this election, i mean, is lost by all accounts. anyway, i think it's something like 40 to 1 against or something you can get now you've got it labour seat. but yeah, but whether in theory such an election would be won from the centre, or whether his bigger concern is to try and bnng his bigger concern is to try and bring reform voters back

james cleverly, robert jenrick from the conservative parties have come out and said while they disagreedd your name? jonathan ashworth , to the list jonathan ashworth, to the list of people condemning this attack on nigel farage today? >> yes, absolutely. it's disgraceful . it's absolutely the disgraceful. it's absolutely the disgraceful. it's absolutely the disgraceful. of course, i disagree with nigel farage on all kinds of things, but this is all kinds of things, but this is a democracy and politicians have the right to campaign, to speak to voters , to speak up on to voters, to speak up on platforms. and the intimidation we're seeing of politicians and, throwing milkshakes over politicians. and it's absolutely disgraceful . and it was not so disgraceful. and it was not so long ago, that we've lost two very dear friends of mine who were politicians from what david amess from the conservative party, jo cox from the labour party, jo cox from the labour party, you know, who were murdered in our street . party, you know, who were murdered in our street. i mean, you know, this behaviour i

let's assume that braverman patel, morden jenrick . and, i'm patel, morden jenrick. be a bad knock . sorry. be a bad knock. sorry. >> badenoch. yeah. >> badenoch. yeah. >> imagine they're all in position and they do manage to retain their seats. which of those would you most fancy to try and mount an effective opposition to? as labour supermajority? >> think i'd, i'd have to wait and see before i made a decision like that. and i don't have to make the decision, but, before i was sure . so, it you need. was sure. so, it you need. i mean, it's an awful expression on. but you need an attack dog. yes you need somebody who would be. no, not somebody grand and no. and two grand to say anything rude about the labor party. >> no one to professor professorial. you need somebody who can take the gloves off, right? >> you absolutely do . which of >> you absolutely do. which of those people? i'm not quite sure which. >> how about penny mordaunt? i mean, i say her because there's a sunday express poll today. >> good. and she's been quite goodin >> good. and she's been quite good

priti patel suella braverman robert jenrick , suella braverman robert jenrick, kemi badenoch, penny mortonan, you know, if you're a betting man, who would you're a betting man, who would you put your money on? >> none of them. i mean , i mean, >> none of them. i mean, i mean, it would be silly, actually , it would be silly, actually, scarlett's entirely right. we just have. it's almost impossible to predict what the shape of the parliamentary party is going to be. and therefore, what who? who the candidates who go through to a vote from the members. would you know who who are they going to be? very difficult to tell. what we're seeing at the moment is people looking forward to post—election, in case they've retained their seat, are they interested in going for it? what sort of support do they have? there are conversations ongoing that's natural , that's normal. that's natural, that's normal. but there are there are two real sort of takeaways , maybe from sort of takeaways, maybe from this, the fact that the right of the party absolutely seems dead set on ensuring that sunak is not the lead

alan robert jenrick, having a crack at reform . yes. reform. a vote for reform is going to consolidate and a terrible situation in for an election dictatorship by labour. and he's saying that, look, i have sympathy with conservative voters that, you know, maybe you're not maybe saying that they're very disappointed about a number of areas . but if this a number of areas. but if this goes ahead and people vote for reform, then what we're going to see is what maybe the daily mail is called starmageddon, where you've got so much dominating with the supermajority . i think with the supermajority. i think what's interesting is that robert jenrick, even though he kind of stepped back from his position and also in the same way suella braverman has criticised the conservatives, he's conceded these points. what he's conceded these points. what he's not recognised is the extent to which many in the pubuc extent to which many in the public now want to punish the conservatives in the government. they don't care if this happens. it's like this big fear, thi

according to all the forecasts, thanks to robert jenrick reforms.o, when keir starmer stood to be leader of the labour party, he said he wanted to make the positive case for migration. he said he wanted to defend open borders with europe, defend free movement. he seemingly u—turned on all of that . on all of that. >> i'm not sure these are the words he used, but i really do hope that he's going to defend immigration. there is a good case to be made about immigration. >> ian, i do agree that quote from keir starmer, as he was campaigning to be labour leader, it was one of his ten pledges. well, he said well when free movement as we leave the eu, he said plenty of things when he was running for, for, for labour leader and obviously does that matter and obviously to whom clearly doesn't matter to people who voted for him, thinking they were getting one thing and ended up with another. >> there is no prime minister that has managed to get elected, let alone a labour prime minister that has managed to get an elected who didn't have to move to the centre

>> well, they've been saying that for a few weeks now, and it was something that robert jenrick recommended neil o'brien, the cps paper , they o'brien, the cps paper, they were saying, yes, we need a cap. and that's absolutely right . we and that's absolutely right. we believe that the only way to reduce immigration is to have a cap. but frankly , when you look cap. but frankly, when you look at what their proposals are, we're going to let parliament decide. we're going to have parliament be advised or we're going to be advised by the migration advisory committee. how long will this all take? yes, it's a cop out, frankly, to suggest that it's going to be parliament making their decision on the advice of the migration advisory committee. >> if you could put a cap on numbers, what would your cap be? >> my cap would be something that means net migration of less than 100,000 and considerably less . preferably. that is the less. preferably. that is the only way that we're going to prevent the explosion in our population that is now taking place. and even, even if the government were to reduce it

jenrick estimated priti patel, tobias ellwood, gillian keegan so it's just like it's everyone. like a scene in goodfellas where de niro just whacks everyone. >> i think the daily telegraph is a superb newspaper and they're pretty even. i do wonder, however , that when these wonder, however, that when these polls get this disastrous, that it might be a way of nudging the tory voters and saying, look, this is a possibility , maybe you this is a possibility, maybe you should change your mind. i don't believe, actually. and i know you're, voting labour because it a tie . no, you don't know. i a tie. no, you don't know. i don't know that. i don't know that at all. i don't know that at all. and that's a fair point, josh said seriously, which made me feel bad. but i don't think they're all going to labour. i just don't . i just don't see just don't. i just don't see every other vote going to laboun every other vote going to labour. you're in a bubble, mate i >> -- >> i, -- >>i,i >> i, i think hm >> i, i think i've, i tell you, what i spoke to was talking about bubbles. my barber today

james cleverly robert jenrick.issatisfaction with, with the last 14 years. and you talk about this narrow path to victory. and i wonder if that involves bringing in these potential reform voters and bowing to a lot of what was laid down by nigel farage yesterday in his social contract. >> well , i in his social contract. >> well, i mean, the conservative party is at its best when it establishes the broadest possible coalition of voters that exists from the centre to the, to the right, never the far right, and, in 2019, that's exactly what boris johnson pulled off. >> i think it's great to see bofis >> i think it's great to see boris out on the campaign trail, you know, i had the pleasure to be fair, on the campaign trail, but, you know, he's he's signing a letter. >> i think supporting imposed his signature on a bunch of letters. he's hardly putting his pounding the streets, which a lot of people would say could be the narrow path to victory. >> that, and if i was in conservative campaign headquarters, i would be as

and robert jenrick he's 5 to 6.tightest betting heats we've got, actually, robert, he's 5 to 6, labour in that one, 11 to 10. so we're very much think it's just just short of a 5050 chance of robert jenrick retaining his seat. and he's been obviously on board a lot of the government's , with lot of the government's, with bofis lot of the government's, with boris johnson and, rishi sunak, liz truss . so he's got a lot of liz truss. so he's got a lot of work to do. but it's going to be fascinating . we've got a few fascinating. we've got a few weeks to go and these markets will fluctuate, won't they? martin >> over the next few weeks they will now john as well as the big blue beasts we might see biting the bullet. what about in the turquoise camp? what about the odds on nigel farage? how's he looking ? because the polls or looking? because the polls or the polls. but the money telling a different picture, is it? >> very much so. it's one way traffic for nigel in clacton. he's now 1 to 5, before he announced his candida

but robert jenrick, the former immigration minister, has been calling for precisely this policy . policy>> yes, he has. and he did say publicly that rishi sunak hadn't been interested in the past about talking to him about legal migration and how to get it down. that's what he said. suella braverman has said similar, but this is quite interesting. this proposal from the conservatives i want to get your thoughts on this at home. gbnews.com/yoursay one of the things they're proposing is to give mps a vote on this annual cap. now can you imagine how that would play out? >> i can see difficulties 10,000, 20,000, 30,000. >> how would you vote on it? someone would have to propose, presumably the home secretary or the prime minister would propose a figure. then you'd vote on it. if it got voted down, then would you try a different figure? how would it work? but what if this happenedin would it work? but what if this happened in 2022 and the ukraine war started in the middle of that year? >> what then? do we just have no refugee scheme for ukrainians, or do we amend the cap ? i mean, or do we am

robert jenrick too , who have robert jenrick too, who have really quite a lot in common with reform and do those similarities end, and where do the differences start setting in? because after an election, assuming that labour does indeed come into power , does indeed come into power, that's going to be very important indeed. what happens to the remainder of the conservative party? does it join forces with reform with nigel farage, who potentially might then be the mp for clacton and form a sort of right wing opposition force? or will it sort of regress to the centre? will it become the party of sort of robert buckland and david cameron and these, these centrist mps who the reform party feel they have nothing in common with whatsoever ? nigel common with whatsoever? nigel farage was keeping his powder pretty dry at the moment . it pretty dry at the moment. it looks as though, you know, he would be pretty willing if it came to it, to join forces with some conservative mps, those on the right of the conservative party but there are plenty in reform who wouldn't like to join forces with the

many of the potential successors would be wiped out penny mordaunt, grant shapps, even robert jenrickwould be a really fascinating question as to what the tory party would look like after all of this. there's a lot of discussion about what the future of toryism is going to be, but it's not even clear if there's going to be any tories to lead that discussion. >> well, i know there's a general sort of direction of travel, but even so, it's still a bit of an outlier poll. this, isn't it? i mean, there's an ipsos, poll out today. i mean, they're using the mrp model as well. i mean, they've got labour on 453 concert leaves on 115, labour getting a 256 seat majority. i mean, heck , it it majority. i mean, heck, it it sounds like the tories are doing comparatively well in that one when you look at these figures. absolutely. >> and there was a yougov one that was published last night which had the tories on, you know, a more healthy looking 108. but we've got to remember that the tories haven't got any less than 160 seats. you've got to go back before 1906 for that to go back before 1906 for

. >> i think robert jenrick is a good candidate.driven by who comes back. so if penny morden gets back, she's a very strong candidate. if grant shapps gets back, who's your favourite? >> those are two big ifs. >> those are two big ifs. >> he's a he's a good candidate. i like, i mean, personally i get on very well with all the candidates, but i know kemi badenoch quite well. i think she's got lots of leadership qualities, and i think robert jenrick is saying lots of interesting things. so those two are probably interesting candidates for me. but, you know, i could i'd be happy with penny. i think actually this time quite a lot of good candidates. >> and what's going to feel like for you being outside the loop from here on in? you know, what's difficult. >> yeah, difficult. i mean, you know, i feel 14 years in this day and age is a long time. you know, i look at the correspondence, we get 250 hundreds of emails more a day . hundreds of emails more a day. and when i started, it was a much less and, you know, many years ago, you'd be lu

worked at number 10, you know pretty you know, kemi , you know pretty you know, kemi, you know robert jenrickunners and riders who might be the next tory leader if rishi sunak loses. as expected, next thursday. who do you think would be best to take on the job? >> oh gosh, that is a very difficult question to answer, i think there are you know, conservative party is a broad church, and some people would argue that that's part of the challenge that we have today, that there are people who are maybe more aligned with reform, and some folks who people might feel got lost on the way to joining a union and somehow have ended up in the conservative party. right, but i think if you look at the labour party today, they would argue that they're also a relatively broad church. and so it does come back to leadership. and so the question for me is who in the next five years can command the respect of their peers, regardless of where they might, locate themselves ideologically within the conservative family. and that will take someone who number one, is experienced, you know, somebody that perhaps has led

this is robert jenrick who resigned last year over rishi sunaks rwanda bill, the sunday times pm faithction trials . rishi sunak has election trials. rishi sunak has revealed that he draws strength from his hindu faith to cope with the pressures of the bruising general election campaign. profiteers exploit kyivs need for arms and smile that says kate, is glad to be back on parade . and last but not back on parade. and last but not least, for now, the daily star sunday mystic exclusive nostradamus cousin three lions to win the euros. we didn't see this coming. serbia's top psychic says england will have a thumping victory tomorrow and go on to win the euros. and seeing as he's a relative of nostradamus , it's obviously nostradamus, it's obviously nailed on. say the daily daily star on sunday. let's get full reaction from my top pundits, the tv legend and green goddess herself diana moran, former tory mp and farmer neil parish and academic and broadcaster and anarchist doctor lisa mckenzie . anarchist doctor lisa mckenzie. lovely to see all three of you and how about that front page on t

this is robert jenrick who resigned last year over rishi sunaks rwanda bill, the sunday times pm faithlection trials . rishi sunak has election trials. rishi sunak has revealed that he draws strength from his hindu faith to cope with the pressures of the bruising general election campaign. profiteers exploit kyivs need for arms and smile that says kate, is glad to be back on parade . and last but not back on parade. and last but not least, for now, the daily star sunday mystic exclusive nostradamus cousin three lions to win the euros. we didn't see this coming. serbia's top psychic says england will have a thumping victory tomorrow and go on to win the euros. and seeing as he's a relative of nostradamus , it's obviously nostradamus, it's obviously nailed on. say the daily daily star on sunday. let's get full reaction from my top pundits, the tv legend and green goddess herself diana moran, former tory mp and farmer neil parish and academic and broadcaster and anarchist doctor lisa mckenzie . anarchist doctor lisa mckenzie. lovely to see all three of you and how about that front page on

penny mordaunt was on 15, james cleverly on 6, kemi badenoch suella braverman, priti patel and robert jenrickt tory voters want farage to succeed as a leader. what do you make of that, ben? >> i think that our new leaders have to be showmen. i think we've just moved into that time of social media, and it's like that pop star time where everyone's just got to be famous and have some nice lines and stuff like that. and i think that, you know, some of the even even with london mayor, he's from that school of, you know, bofis from that school of, you know, boris johnson and angela rayner kind of fits into that school. so they all went to the same school. do you know what i mean? >> just just briefly, what did you make of rayner's mistake? where she said abstract instead of abstract? i don't want to dig her for that, because it's the kind of thing i'd say on air and i've probably made many similar mistakes before. but i mean, is that a sign of anything or just that a sign of anything orjust a just an innocent mistake, you can't really tell with her. it's probably just an innocent mistake . mistake.

in the mirror and forgive this conservative party for what it has done, and suella braverman robert jenricki sunak do something about legal migration as it happens, starmer has even worse on illegal immigration. but i'm sorry the tories have been in the hot seat. they've completely betrayed us. >> i'm going to play you shortly. a couple of clips from the immigration back and forth. just in the meantime. well, i'll go to matthew . could we please go to matthew. could we please get the microphone to our chap in the white shirt at the back here for us. so i'll come to you in a second, sir, if that's okay. right. smash the gang. what do they mean? come on. what do they mean, smash the gang? well, one thing you didn't talk aboutis well, one thing you didn't talk about is the. >> i think that needs to be on the front foot on this because as patrick says, he needs to hammer home the betrayal that the tories have done. not give fake promises that you can instantly wave a magic wand and bnng instantly wave a magic wand and bring legal migration down to the tens of thousands, totally hammer home the

who was in the cabinet recently, a i who was in the cabinet recently, a friend of rishi sunak, robert jenricklections are about choices _ it is too late, isn't it? elections are about choices and - it is too late, isn't it? elections are about choices and about i it is too late, isn't it? elections| are about choices and about the future. yes, our record is important, i think in many areas the record is very impressive, like on schools, for example, 90% of schools, for example, 90% of schools, good or outstanding, primary school children, the best readers in the world, that is enormously important for their future, but elections are about the future, but elections are about the future and about choices and they are about whether you want to cut taxes, our manifesto has a clear costed plan to do that, labour's is about raising taxes, ours is about cutting migration, legal and illegal, labour's is not. that is a clear choice for people. and reform voters who want lower taxes and lower migration have to think, is that more likely to happen under the conservatives, or under the labour party? ther

boris johnson did when he and his big majority tried to get planning reform passed with robert jenrick. >> they didn't, couldn't . they >> they didn't, couldn't. they still couldn't get the legislation through, for they had planning reform in their manifesto. and three bills were put forward for planning reform. all three of them never made it through. >> peter, this is what i'm saying. they didn't have any detail in their manifesto . detail in their manifesto. exactly. exactly as you don't have any detail in your manifesto , you're going to fail manifesto, you're going to fail in the same way boris johnson did. we have in our manifesto. >> we have national priorities and we have aligned in the manifesto. we have been explicit that we will have an industrial council that will independently set the priorities for our country, that will that will form an industrial strategy for that, for those priorities set out in our industrial strategy , out in our industrial strategy, which will span the decade of national renewal that we are standing on for those priorities. all aspects of central g